Spaghetti Monster is very relevant in religious studies. As are all of the belief systems. If you have no idea what other people believe in you will miss insight on behavior. I think indoctrination to Pastafarism is a whole different question.
Or is it the almighty ignorance that fueled this video? Your first fail in this video is the fact that you didn't listen to it. The answers certainly are not negative.
@HermanniSan Oh, and P.S. If you ever want people to listen to what you have to say, don't insult them. It invalidates your argument and is the cheapest way to get a response.
@themunchkym Hmmm... sorry if it was too harsh comment. Brutish vikings are sometimes like that. I actually dislike the very word 'fail'.
Anyways, please, show us your statistic or a summary at least. There may be a margin of error in my interpretation, since I'm not American and speak so shitty American that no one could understand it. Perhaps we can collaborate on this. I could calculate my error based on your data. How does that sound? Better? Worse? No answer? Other? Let's invalidate!
@HermanniSan Sorry! But after I made the video, I got rid of it. I was in the middle of switching computers at the time and I never keep notes from videos.
@themunchkym Ach, ok! I actually don't create videos much. My almost fake justification for that is that they waste energy compared to text. We have too many polluting power plants already. I actually subscribe to green energy source, but it's a far cry from what should be done. According to estimates we need to go back to 1960's level in energy consumption to be on the safer side. Computers waste energy like hell. Thanks for the answers.
What's this nonsensical "believing" you are talking about after 2:00?
The wonderful thing about scientific knowledge is that at no point you are required to believe anything. Every scientific fact is well explained in related literature and anyone with the right tools and knowledge can test it. Even if you can't realistically stop and verify every little thing you come across, the ability to do so is an important aspect of science, and what sets it well above the religious cults.
@themunchkym Not so much trolling but wondering were the disconnect is. Your response regarding gravity would be my response regarding any theory that had sceintific consensus, big bang, evolution, germ, gravity, etc...
There are some theorys which dnt have consensus but evo is not one of them
Thnx for the reply, i think of it as more satire than troll but im not sure theres a huge difference.
@themunchkym Interesting video, what are your thoughts on the question gravity campaign going around? should they teach both sides, intelligent falling vs gravity?
There are a lot of unanswered questions that newtonians refuse to address because they are stuck in their gravitationist thinking.
@shandcunt I think that people who refute gravity are trollin'. I respect opinions, but the things that are the highest level of science and considered "scientific fact" should be taught as fact.
@StormyRobbins Are you american? Im from NZ and the idea that someones personal opinion can refute sceince is rediculous. Not only that but im not sure where u got your information from but we have more knowledge about the theory of evolution than we do gravity.
People have gotta stop thinking about evolution has if it has 2 sides, ther is the sceince on one side, what is on the other? religon and personal opinion, neither have demonstrated that they are a path to truth, they claim to be bt..
I partly agree with you, however I feel that evolution and religion both focus on ideas that haven't completely been proven true yet. I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in schools because of separation of church and state, but I think that evolution should be kept out as well (not entirely, just until there is enough proof to teach it as a fact). But even then, I don't have a problem with evolution as long as my teachers don't put down my religious beliefs in favor of it.
I believe that evolution happens within species, but evolution that changes a fish to a bird to a lizard to a dog, is absolutely ridiculous. Evolution is just as big of a faith as religion, and every legitimate scientist would tell you the same.
evolution has been proven.....just saying...it can't account for everything (yet) but it does a much better job of explaining the universe than the thousands of religions people have concocted do.
@triviumgirlrockingou Some of the theories proposed in evolution have been proven but the theory as a whole has definitely not been proven yet. There are still too many flaws for it to be a fact yet.
@bbdollgonewrong yeah but we are taught religion from a neutral point (most peeps in the UK are atheist) so its not so much of a fiery topic... in the USA its really touchy, ironically constitutionally its not allowed in USA schools either
That interview video made me sad. Your righteous anger/annoyance made me happy. Young intellectually aggravated people bring joy to me when their perturbed. Gives me hope.
If you are going to say that evolution is "a theory that people have put a lot of effort into and really believe in" and then say religion shouldn't be taught because it is "a faith thing" you are setting a double standard. Both should be taught because both are theories that people have put alot of effort into and really believe in.
Evolution is not a theory, because it is proven and it is and can be proven any time again, in fact scientists do use evolution to create new bacteria with different features. So you cannot talk about evolution as a theory! That is rediculous!
Creationism is a theory because nobody could ever prove it! it is based on assumptions and believes!
@TheLittleStar89: I recommend that you look up the definition of 'theory' stat because you don't know what you are talking about. Evolution is a theory and can be falsified. Science by nature, sets a hypothesis and tries to disprove it. Creationism, is a faith in which believers try to find 'proof' to support the belief. They don't try to discredit the belief.
@runnerjordan I understand the definition of theory. Everyday I try to find ways to discredit my belief, and I have yet to find one. From what I gather from your response, you are not looking from a Cristian point of view. You cannot know what Christians do if you are not one. And yes I will agree alot of Christians will plug their ears and say "lalala" when people start talking about evolution or any other belief, but that is not how we are suppose to act. We're commanded to search for truth.
(cont...) Also, I think one of the reasons a lot of people don't believe in evolution (which to me, is not something you can believe in because it just IS) is because they don't understand it. I've heard people say "but we can't have descended from monkeys!" Well--we probably didn't. We just share a common ancestor.
Religion crossing into schools is one of the things that bugs me the most. Separation of church and state is so important! (Which is why I HATE the "under God" in the pledge of allegiance.) It also really pisses me off when people say evolution is "just a theory." Like you said, all of science is really just a theory. Evolution has so much evidence behind it that saying it is "just" a theory really downplays it. (cont...)
-I think that Evolution should NOT be taught as fact. I think that, since Creation and Evolution are the two main "How-the-world-was-made" I think that THEY should both be taught. (Not as fact, as theories) But W/O a teacher being condescending to one. (That ONE is usually Creation)
-I think Creation SHOULD be taught as well, is because if you only teach ONE theory, then THAT'S what the students will believe. Same situation if it was reversed.
@iLeaveYouWithHugs Its science class, they should learn science. The scientific community is mostly in agreement that the theory of evolution is correct. Creationism can be taught in religious studies, or something like that.
@iLeaveYouWithHugs Only things that are factual can be explained theoretically, and that is a fact.
eg. You can't explain gravity without first gathering all the facts, evaluating them and then explaining how they work together to cause the phenomena we all observe as gravity.
You can't do that with creationism, its has no facts, no axioms (a fancy scientific word for fact)...hence it cannot be theorized..
I'm all for teaching things that are theory, but not things that can't ever be.
-I do NOT think it's OK for teachers to teach their PERSONAL opinion as fact. I think it's ok to TELL what it is, but they must make it clear that it's just their OPINION.
Okey, I'm just going to say how I have been taught evolution and I liked it that way. We got evolution in elementery/primary school, and they mention it in the rest of my school years. We don't get it in science class but in history. In religion class they tell you then that you can choose what you believe but also how they think about it. I find this a good way to teach it.
I really like this video.(: it make;s me think.(: I put it in my Makes me think playlist.xD and fav;d.(: I like hearing you;re veiw;s on thing;s, do more of it?(:
@ themunchkym ,Thank you for partially lifting my spirits after watching the Miss USA video.
I know that these women were placating judges/audiences/general public, but out of all the contestants, it would have been nice to see one of them answer emphatically in positive.
Science laws are science fact. But it's true that the word theory in science is not at all the same as the word theory in everyday language. But I disagree that basic religion shouldn't be taught in school. Knowlege of other's beliefs helps you better understand, them , yourself, and the world. So I do believe it is very important to teach religion. That being said evolution should DEFINATELY be taught as part of a biology class in high school. Evolution is such a crucial part of biology.
I think 'taught' is the wrong word - that implies learning facts, I think both Religion and Evolution should be presented as an opinion in schools - equally.
Creationism should be taught in school. I figure if we can get kids through school who can't read or write, maybe we'll get some through school who have no idea what creationism is, and that will just make the world a better place.
exactly, its the same as religion as it can be used in many future careers such as vicar. if you looked into it religion is needed in every career to prevent discrimination or being prejudice towards others
If you where taught about the history of religious belief, the ridiculous notions cultures create (cargo cults,dreamtime etc) you may become more skeptical that 6000 years ago a dude and a chick got tricked by a snake into eating some fruit
(2/2) So it's not fair to expect the atheist and the Hindi's to know all of these references, and therefore be able to answer the questions even in the most basic way, nearly as well as the Christians, or even at all unless you give them a way to learn the book that everything references. I suppose there are a few other solutions to this problem, but if it's taught at Lit. rather than religion, it shouldn't be a big problem.
@TheFourOfClubs That's a very good point. I remember when I took the AP English exam we had to write a passage from Shakespeare. The entire passage was a reference to the bible and a boy in my class who was Jewish got really pissed off because he didn't know the reference thus couldn't answer the question. That being said, the bible as a literature source (not religious) is offered at many universities. My boyfriend took such a class and enjoyed it a lot.
I love this video. Having said that, I disagree. Not that I think there should be some kind of bible study for all the Christian to go take - but I think it would be excellent to have a class that just teaches the facts listed in the bible. Like, a class that teaches the bible as if it were literature, rather than religious text. I say this because there are SO SO many biblical references in classical literature that students genuinely need to know for their exams - regular and AP. (1/2)
Evolution can't ever work... When Genetic Mutation actually happens an animal loses Genes (I.e. A dog has long and short fur genes, it's mid length, no more short gene and It will be long, no going back) never can an animal EVER gain Genes in mutation eliminating the idea of a bird coming from the lizard or what not. I know most people don't realize this but it's still fact. And if you don't believe me do some research. I know your probably busy, but please, please do this for the sake of you.
@kjfivetwoluver avialae (modern birds) didnt evolve from lizards. They share the same synapomorphies as Maniraptora, Theropoda and then Dinosauria. Dinosaurs and their synapomorphic characteristic of the open acetabulum in the pelvis,Theropods with their synapomorphy of a three toed foot, Maniraptors (which include velociraptor) and it semilunate carpal and true feathers and avialae with flight feathers. Evolution does work. Small changes over great periods of time. Where do you do your sci?
@kjfivetwoluver This is actually not true... genes duplicate themselves very often, it's actually one of the most common forms of evolutionary progress. Once you have two copies of a gene, one of them is free to evolve new functions (perhaps making your hair longer, or making scales more feather-like), while the other stays the same. Wikipedia has a good article on this (gene duplication), with citations from reputable journals of evolutionary biology.
In Norway, we learn about religion in school. At first the class was called (ruffly translated) Christianity Religion Spirituality, and later changed into Religion Spirituality Ethics. It's a class you cannot not have, and you have it from like 5th grade until tenth grade. And then again in your senior year at upper secondary school..
It's a class that no one wants, but is forced to have so that we learn to respect religion other than our own. Not that we don't do that already, but yeah..
Once in high school we had to watch a video about evolution and fill out a work sheet that accompanied the video. Before the movie started, the girl in the seat next to me complained that we shouldn't learn these things in school because it went against her faith. After the movie she asked if she could copy my worksheet because she missed some answers. I told her 'no' since the topic was against her morals. I was pleased with myself.
I wanted to add to my comment. My family is from Kentucky, I was born in SoCal and raised in North Cacalacky. If I had to pick a winner from this question I would say Go New Mexico. I would also like to say, now that you have graduated from HS, clean your room because it looks like the flying speghetti monster exists and takes vacation there. (And yes that was a joke) I enjoyed your video and congrats on graduating. A=X+Y+Z (einsteins equation for success in life. Research it, learn it&apply!
Bravo, I agree with you completely. Seperation of church and state is ignored. These ladies in the padgent are being preped for politics. You can tell by them agreeing that it should be taught in school but its not what they agree exists or as one of them said "it exists a little bit" lol. Even though they picked a side, they are still standing on the fence so not to offend anyone. Want proof evolution exists. Tell a group of people they will have their food in 5mns. Then wait 6mns(WE R SAVAGES
you seem like a very knowledgeable person and I really enjoy listening to your opinions on certain topics, because they really make me think about it a lot more then i would have. your videos are great, keep um coming!
It just seems to me that the Creation theory is being dissed as myth and Evolution passed as fact. Sure. Church and state should be seperated. But studying and learning about different beliefs is alright. Atheism is a way of life just like Christianity is. You choose to believe something. Everyone has a choice no one should be forced.
@BSmeansBlueSalad Atheism isn't a "way of life" it is simply the absence in a belief of God. Atheists all over the planet live shockingly different lives. It doesn't have a set of beliefs that govern your life, the way Christianity does (though I know Christians all over the world live in different ways). Be careful when grouping Atheists and Christians as two different "ways of life" because Atheism and Christianity fall into two different categories. Christianity is a religion, Atheism is not.
@BSmeansBlueSalad And everyone can choose, if they want to trust their faith other than the evidence and facts presented by evolution than that is their choice and they can send their children to a religious school. Secular schools should teach only what is founded in evidence. Want to get creationism taught in schools? Provide evidence using NO religious scripture WHATSOEVER.
I think both theories about how the world came to be should be taught in schools because the big bang theory and the creation theory are the two most popular "how the world came to be" theories. And as long as they are taught un-biased then it should be fine. As long as both are discussed and one is not ignored. It only seems fair to introduce students to both sides. There are only two ways the world could have begun. 1. Spontaneously, without plan OR 2. Thoughtfully, with a creator
@BSmeansBlueSalad Creationism isn't a theory! A scientific theory must be provable, and creationism simply can't be. Evolution has yet to be 100% proven, but it is backed up with cold, hard evidence. Want creationism to have some legitimacy? Present some evidence for it that doesn't come from religious scriptures. Then it will have some credibility and should be allowed in schools.
Evolution shouldn't be taught as fact in schools. It should be taught as theory. Schools should offer equal and unbiased lessons on both evolution and religion. Everyone, even if they are not Christian, should know a fair amount about Christianity and other religions so as to be able to make educated decisions and have constructive and intelligent arguments. The same goes for Christians being taught evolutionary theory.
I think in public schools, but not private schools. I am Christian and I believe God created the heavens and the earth but ironiclly Evolution is taught in my Christian School. Weird huh?
@bananabread112 I don't think that that's weird at all. All schools have standards that are required of them and teaching scientific fact is currently required in most states.
I don't totaly agree with you. I think religion should be thaught in school just as revolution. It should be taught in a non biased way and not as fact, more in a sence for students to understand other people from other cultures. There is too much hate in the world today because of peoples lack of knowledge in other religions and beliefs and because there is no understanding to why people from other religions act and do the things they do.
I disagree. I feel like evolution should be taught along side creation because after all evolution has not been proven. Just like you said it is a theory. Some people believe in evolution just like some people believe in creation. Evolution is jst as much as a religion as creation. Neither have been scientifically proven to be correct. They are both based on faith n personal beliefs. I feel like they should be taught along side eachother or not at all.
@LadyBlu212 Creationism is not a theory, evolution is. A scientific theory has to be provable and so far creationism has provided no way to prove it, and no evidence. It is pulled right from the bible. Evolution, however, has been studied and monumental evidence backs it up. Evolution should be taught as a theory, but the best (and evolving) answer we have to the question of how we are how we are.
@LadyBlu212 Evolution is not a religion because there is no faith to it. You believe what you believe because of the evidence, and are willing to change your beliefs. Religion relies on belief without evidence. That is what makes it faith. Creationism should be taught in schools only if and when they can provide evidence for it that does not come from any religious scriptures at ALL.
CreationITism should be taught in schools. Noah's flood too. They make a lot of sense. I could easily fit two of every animal into my family's speedboat. I can also make a man out of clay. But proving evolution through all the DNA evidence, the fossil record, the similarities between species, the fact that humans have a vestigial tail bone, the fact that most embryos look the same...that's just Satan trying to fool us!!
we learn about religion in school here in the uk. we learn about what the religions believe and the begining of the religion and such. im not to bothered bout learning about other religions cuz our teachr wont tell us what religion she is , no one will. but i think learnig about other religoins makes you a more well rounded person having knowledge on more topics so you can spark conversations and know more about the world. im personally a more scietifically minded person.
well Christians for example believe that people believe that god made the earth. and therefore if your not within certain religions then other believe in evolution such as Scientology religion so technically it comes under that, and not science
@TheRebeccaMarieShow evolution is one of the key parts in science, there is proof of it. and it is something you have to study because later on if you want to become a doctor, biologist, or any other scientist then you need that information. i think it should be treated as any other subject. no offense to any religion (i do respect everyone's spiritual beliefs) but science is a necessary subject for future career opportunities.
@TheRebeccaMarieShow If religions choose to disagree with scientific fact, then they are very welcome to. However, this does not change the fact that evolution is a fact.
Because I live in Ireland I have had to go a Catholic school (over 90%of public schools here are catholic).We have to pray at the start of each class and we atend masses.However we also have classes where we learn about the main religions in the world and I think this is very important as we understand other peoples cultures,belifes as it creates respect.We are also thought evolution.I dont like having Catholicism forced down my throat but i think learning about other peoples belifs is important
I didn't go to a religious HS, so I was taught about the major religions like any other class. I believe its still a requirement in the education system here.
Students are told certain things, there's a discussion and you're left to decide for yourself. I didn't believe everything I heard, a lot of it was incredible, that applies to both evolution and religion.
What I came out with, was an appreciation of both subjects and a passing grade, which is always nice.
RS is compulsary at my school (up until the last year) which sucks because I'm not religious and although I think it's an interesting topic I would much rather be taking a different class. Also it doesn't really have much to do with religion itself but more the Christian point of views on various things.
(continuation) Just like when teachers present religion it needs to be unbiased. there is a strange double standard for the belief in evolution and the belief in other religions.
Learning science is different from believing in things based on faith. Every scientific theory should be taught so that the empirical evidence is presented. Biology is no different from other sciences like physics and chemistry in this sense.
Evolution doesn't need belief anymore than gravity does. There's much we don't know about gravity yet like how it related to the quantum world. So, do you believe in gravity? Just study sciences as sciences, that's all there is to it.
the problem is, people treaching evolution PRESENT IT AS FACT. though evolution doesnt have much evidence to back it up anymore, as much of it has been proven false, such as Haeckle's embryos. I'm fine with people teching evolution, it's actually pretty much neceesary, because parts of evolution are required, such as microevolution and have actually been proven. If evolution is to be taught, however, it needs to be presented in much less of a biased way. (continued ^^)
While I agree with you that evolution should be taught in schools, I also think that it's necessary for there to be classes about religion in schools. Throughout history, most wars were started by religion and faith. Understanding all of these differences in opinions is vital to understanding how to relate to people today.
i believe that if you are searching for a religious education you should go to a private school for that religion and that religion should not be taught as a mandatory class in public schools because the public school system is so diverse
I think that we should teach evolution and religion in schools. In my HS in 9th and 10th grade we took world history in that class we learned many religions which I think we need to do to have people learn to be civil to other religion also we learn about evolution which also is good.
@ckid032393 Learning about religion in a social aspect is not what I was talking about, though. I was simply talking about science. And I do see what you mean.
@themunchkym Proof: God created the heavens and the Earth. People say the the way the Earth was created in the Bibles is too far fetched ... But so is Evolution... Also why don't you give ME reason to believe Evolution?
Ps. I'm not entering this discussion with ignorance over the situation. I learned about Evolution for a whole semester at my school.
@themunchkym well...its kind of obvious that its not real. For example. in the theory there are many gaps that cannot be explaned. Where did the atom that exploded that caused the universe come from? how did everything work out so well. like the water cycle, dna, male/female, the five senses. It is so close to impossible that this could happen by chance that it should be considered impossible. Such as monkeys growing wings in one hour. it is so unlikely it is considered impossible.
@themunchkym Ok. To me evolution is just like another religion. People claim to have proof that it is real but I could say the same about religion. I am a christian and i noe lots of people who were somehow cured form incurable diseases and situations that not even science can solve. Just as evolution has some facts backing up it, so does religion. but unlike evolution most people refuse to listen to the backing up that religion has and label it as false without listening to us.
@itchypigie Hi there. Biology student here. Evolution is no more a religion than the germ theory of disease. Both make scientific, testable predictions and both have had those predictions confirmed.
In some cases (like fruit flies or bacteria) scientists can actually see evolution and speciation happening in real-time over a period of weeks, months or years.
It is not an "evolution or religion" debate. As an example, just about everyone (Christians included) believes in evolution here in the UK.
@itchypigie Religion is not in itself a cure for diseases. Looking at Lourdes, a major place of pilgrimage, out of the billions of people heading there seeking for cures, only 64 got cured. This means the cure was highly not due to religious experiences, you might just have been praying to a bowl of soup and get the same result. Furthermore, I'd like names and not just the "I'm cured" claim. Plenty of cases have been investigated and indeed proven false (hoax, not cured but placebo effect, ...)
@itchypigie Evolution is a theory based on facts, and if there's anything to know about theories is that they may or may not be correct, this said however, the basis on which they are constructed from are all true, which is why they're reliable, reasonable and acceptable. Religion on the other hand is founded on faith, belief that is not based on proof. In other words it lacks factual evidence. (The bible is not a source of evidence, please study its history before you rebuke.)
It isn't even fair to present both options and allow the children to "choose" because that indoctrinates the children at a young age with something that is only around BECAUSE of religion. For instance: the Amish as teenagers are allowed out in the real world for a day or two and they almost always return. But... is anyone lining up to become Amish who was previously not? No, because the only reason the teenagers return is because they've been indoctrinated with their religious belief.
I also think religion is an extremely important thing to study. I wouldn't be against a mandatory class in religion. Of course, when I talk about a class in religion, I mean a class about different religions, how they impact our society, and how they have impacted history, not teach any one religion as a fact. Creationism is a religious belief and therefore teaching it as even a viable option to evolution is akin to teaching religion as fact.
The entire question was wrong, in my opinion. The question should have been Should Creationism be Taught in Schools? To that, I answer, only in privately owned religious schools. The state has a duty to teach facts that have been proven. If, and only if, substantial evidence comes to light to prove Creationism or disprove evolution, than something else can be taught.
I disagree with you here. Evolution is called a theory, but basically everything that has ever been discovered has proven it. It is fact, and only a theory by name. The ONLY basis for creationism is the Bible, and the only reason this is even a question is because creationists have tried to turn their faith into pseudo-scientific fact.
@likeomfgrawr Because of the span of time evolution has happened in we cannot prove 100% that it is fact. I am willing to say that it is accepted as such but it is not "fact".
@GodeiBlack It is good enough to call it a fact because it is one. You cannot say with 100% certainty that I'm not a spam bot, can you? But you accept it as fact that I am not one because it is pretty clear I'm not, and you simply call it fact. To call evolution anything but fact undermines it and gives credibility to the blatantly incorrect creationism.
@likeomfgrawr You don't disagree with me. It IS only a theory by name! Which is what I tried to explain here. EVERYTHING in science is considered a theory.
@themunchkym There is no definitive way to prove that the sun is made of Helium, but it is and that is a fact. You can't call everything in science a theory, it simply is not and that is the sort of language used by religious pseudo-scientists who try to justify their faith and indoctrinate it into the unwilling.
@giantcookiejar ....what does this have to do with the video? Maine Coon cats are cats in Maine, but they weren't... "developed". I mean, maybe if you're talking evolution.
Very eloquently stated, I'd read your blog - previous to this video - as well, and you really hit the nail on the head. The use of the word 'theory' in science acts as a thorn in its side when others use the ridiculous argument "Oh, but it's just a theory!". Most of those people haven't bothered to look at the huge volumes of evidence proving evolution as fact. Science is about challenging ideas; but backed-up by evidence, research and rational thinking, not opinion (as is the case of religion)
@rossexton DEFINITELY. Theory is a word that must be used because science is continually changing. There was a time when people thought THE EARTH WAS FLAT. And that changed too!
@themunchkym Ahh! I typed the Flat Earth argument into my initial comment; but it didn't make the final cut. Damned 500 character limit. Anyhoo, to avoid that whole problem I'm getting my thoughts together for a video-response :-)
I love confused kids. That's why I always have candy in my van.
PseudoSarcasm 1 month ago
@PseudoSarcasm Who in/referenced in this video is a kid?
themunchkym 1 month ago
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is totally sensible
MowCueto666 4 months ago 2
i love this i love this i love this i love this thank you
beverleykatherine 6 months ago
oh god thank you for being smart
i have regained my faith in humanity
GameFreakDude 7 months ago 4
@GameFreakDude Look through the comments on this video and you might loose it again...
themunchkym 1 month ago
Girl, you had me at the Watchmen poster on the background. Very intelligent opinion, loved it.
herukhel 7 months ago
@herukhel Hehe. Feel free to stay, then! It's in every video. ;)
themunchkym 7 months ago
You make my brain hurt. There's no way you're gonna win Miss USA.
drflynn73 7 months ago
@drflynn73 It's a good thing I'm not trying! :P
themunchkym 7 months ago
Spaghetti Monster is very relevant in religious studies. As are all of the belief systems. If you have no idea what other people believe in you will miss insight on behavior. I think indoctrination to Pastafarism is a whole different question.
Or is it the almighty ignorance that fueled this video? Your first fail in this video is the fact that you didn't listen to it. The answers certainly are not negative.
My statistic:
Yes: 18
No: 2
Both/All/etc: 28
Other: 3
-- Total: 51 --
HermanniSan 7 months ago
@HermanniSan I was not talking about religious studies in a social aspect, only in science classes.
And I actually wrote a spreadsheet of what each candidate said before making the video. :)
themunchkym 7 months ago
@HermanniSan Oh, and P.S. If you ever want people to listen to what you have to say, don't insult them. It invalidates your argument and is the cheapest way to get a response.
themunchkym 7 months ago
@themunchkym Hmmm... sorry if it was too harsh comment. Brutish vikings are sometimes like that. I actually dislike the very word 'fail'.
Anyways, please, show us your statistic or a summary at least. There may be a margin of error in my interpretation, since I'm not American and speak so shitty American that no one could understand it. Perhaps we can collaborate on this. I could calculate my error based on your data. How does that sound? Better? Worse? No answer? Other? Let's invalidate!
HermanniSan 7 months ago
@HermanniSan Sorry! But after I made the video, I got rid of it. I was in the middle of switching computers at the time and I never keep notes from videos.
Feel free to make a video response, though!
themunchkym 7 months ago
@themunchkym Ach, ok! I actually don't create videos much. My almost fake justification for that is that they waste energy compared to text. We have too many polluting power plants already. I actually subscribe to green energy source, but it's a far cry from what should be done. According to estimates we need to go back to 1960's level in energy consumption to be on the safer side. Computers waste energy like hell. Thanks for the answers.
HermanniSan 7 months ago
@HermanniSan No need to thank me! It's my video! Of course I care what people think of it. :)
themunchkym 7 months ago
Please clean that room !!!
paperrotta 7 months ago
@paperrotta First of all, the state of my room is no concern of yours. Secondly, my room is clean. I just have a lot of STUFF.
themunchkym 7 months ago
This is so awesome. Favorited.
SelfIndulgenceNet 7 months ago
What's this nonsensical "believing" you are talking about after 2:00?
The wonderful thing about scientific knowledge is that at no point you are required to believe anything. Every scientific fact is well explained in related literature and anyone with the right tools and knowledge can test it. Even if you can't realistically stop and verify every little thing you come across, the ability to do so is an important aspect of science, and what sets it well above the religious cults.
overlord624 7 months ago
@TheLittleStar89 Dido
dotails 7 months ago
So...have you ever done online dating, and would you?
deanosumo 7 months ago
@deanosumo You are the winner of the internets.
(Also, no and if I didn't already have an Erich, maybe.)
themunchkym 7 months ago
@themunchkym Not so much trolling but wondering were the disconnect is. Your response regarding gravity would be my response regarding any theory that had sceintific consensus, big bang, evolution, germ, gravity, etc...
There are some theorys which dnt have consensus but evo is not one of them
Thnx for the reply, i think of it as more satire than troll but im not sure theres a huge difference.
shandcunt 7 months ago
@themunchkym Interesting video, what are your thoughts on the question gravity campaign going around? should they teach both sides, intelligent falling vs gravity?
There are a lot of unanswered questions that newtonians refuse to address because they are stuck in their gravitationist thinking.
shandcunt 7 months ago
@shandcunt I think that people who refute gravity are trollin'. I respect opinions, but the things that are the highest level of science and considered "scientific fact" should be taught as fact.
themunchkym 7 months ago
@StormyRobbins Are you american? Im from NZ and the idea that someones personal opinion can refute sceince is rediculous. Not only that but im not sure where u got your information from but we have more knowledge about the theory of evolution than we do gravity.
People have gotta stop thinking about evolution has if it has 2 sides, ther is the sceince on one side, what is on the other? religon and personal opinion, neither have demonstrated that they are a path to truth, they claim to be bt..
shandcunt 7 months ago
I partly agree with you, however I feel that evolution and religion both focus on ideas that haven't completely been proven true yet. I agree that religion shouldn't be taught in schools because of separation of church and state, but I think that evolution should be kept out as well (not entirely, just until there is enough proof to teach it as a fact). But even then, I don't have a problem with evolution as long as my teachers don't put down my religious beliefs in favor of it.
StormyRobbins 7 months ago
@StormyRobbins there is no scientific facts in science.
sugarbrownrabbit 7 months ago
@sugarbrownrabbit But there is SCIENTIFIC FACT.
themunchkym 7 months ago 3
Can you scan that cute bunny picture in the back and send it to me? ^^
malinhares 7 months ago
@malinhares I'm SURE you can google "happy bunny I'm not listening" and you'll find it. :)
themunchkym 7 months ago
@malsifood
I believe that evolution happens within species, but evolution that changes a fish to a bird to a lizard to a dog, is absolutely ridiculous. Evolution is just as big of a faith as religion, and every legitimate scientist would tell you the same.
TheLittleStar89 7 months ago
evolution has been proven.....just saying...it can't account for everything (yet) but it does a much better job of explaining the universe than the thousands of religions people have concocted do.
triviumgirlrockingou 7 months ago
@triviumgirlrockingou Some of the theories proposed in evolution have been proven but the theory as a whole has definitely not been proven yet. There are still too many flaws for it to be a fact yet.
StormyRobbins 7 months ago
is religion not taught in America? we get taught it in England and I think we are better off for it!
bbdollgonewrong 7 months ago
@bbdollgonewrong yeah but we are taught religion from a neutral point (most peeps in the UK are atheist) so its not so much of a fiery topic... in the USA its really touchy, ironically constitutionally its not allowed in USA schools either
AirlockMinibus 7 months ago
That interview video made me sad. Your righteous anger/annoyance made me happy. Young intellectually aggravated people bring joy to me when their perturbed. Gives me hope.
FrogShaman 7 months ago
If you are going to say that evolution is "a theory that people have put a lot of effort into and really believe in" and then say religion shouldn't be taught because it is "a faith thing" you are setting a double standard. Both should be taught because both are theories that people have put alot of effort into and really believe in.
TheLittleStar89 7 months ago
@TheLittleStar89
This is a total misconception!
Evolution is not a theory, because it is proven and it is and can be proven any time again, in fact scientists do use evolution to create new bacteria with different features. So you cannot talk about evolution as a theory! That is rediculous!
Creationism is a theory because nobody could ever prove it! it is based on assumptions and believes!
malsifood 7 months ago
@TheLittleStar89: I recommend that you look up the definition of 'theory' stat because you don't know what you are talking about. Evolution is a theory and can be falsified. Science by nature, sets a hypothesis and tries to disprove it. Creationism, is a faith in which believers try to find 'proof' to support the belief. They don't try to discredit the belief.
runnerjordan 7 months ago
@runnerjordan I understand the definition of theory. Everyday I try to find ways to discredit my belief, and I have yet to find one. From what I gather from your response, you are not looking from a Cristian point of view. You cannot know what Christians do if you are not one. And yes I will agree alot of Christians will plug their ears and say "lalala" when people start talking about evolution or any other belief, but that is not how we are suppose to act. We're commanded to search for truth.
TheLittleStar89 7 months ago
Did she just call the FSM ridiculous?!
YOU TAKE THAT BACK. YOU TAKE THAT BACK NOW.
lym3n 7 months ago 3
@lym3n I said "which some people consider ridiculous". ;)
themunchkym 7 months ago 4
@lym3n Ramen!
danielerikskold 7 months ago 2
I really hope you don't spend a lot of time on this subject. You don't need to. I mean earrings? On a Monday? Bish please.
slumberco060 8 months ago
@slumberco060 .....what about earrings?
themunchkym 8 months ago
@slumberco060 I wear earrings on a Monday? I wear them everyday.
RainbowNinja2014 7 months ago
(cont...) Also, I think one of the reasons a lot of people don't believe in evolution (which to me, is not something you can believe in because it just IS) is because they don't understand it. I've heard people say "but we can't have descended from monkeys!" Well--we probably didn't. We just share a common ancestor.
tallatstarbucks 8 months ago
YES YES YES YES YES.
Religion crossing into schools is one of the things that bugs me the most. Separation of church and state is so important! (Which is why I HATE the "under God" in the pledge of allegiance.) It also really pisses me off when people say evolution is "just a theory." Like you said, all of science is really just a theory. Evolution has so much evidence behind it that saying it is "just" a theory really downplays it. (cont...)
tallatstarbucks 8 months ago
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-2:59-3:06 Same thing about Evolution, Hunni.... SAME THING.
*hug*
iLeaveYouWithHugs 8 months ago
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-I think that Evolution should NOT be taught as fact. I think that, since Creation and Evolution are the two main "How-the-world-was-made" I think that THEY should both be taught. (Not as fact, as theories) But W/O a teacher being condescending to one. (That ONE is usually Creation)
-2:12 I'm with Kym, not Miss Kentucky
-I think Creation SHOULD be taught as well, is because if you only teach ONE theory, then THAT'S what the students will believe. Same situation if it was reversed.
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iLeaveYouWithHugs 8 months ago
@iLeaveYouWithHugs Its science class, they should learn science. The scientific community is mostly in agreement that the theory of evolution is correct. Creationism can be taught in religious studies, or something like that.
Pengonator 8 months ago
@iLeaveYouWithHugs Only things that are factual can be explained theoretically, and that is a fact.
eg. You can't explain gravity without first gathering all the facts, evaluating them and then explaining how they work together to cause the phenomena we all observe as gravity.
You can't do that with creationism, its has no facts, no axioms (a fancy scientific word for fact)...hence it cannot be theorized..
I'm all for teaching things that are theory, but not things that can't ever be.
MumblingMickey 7 months ago
-I'm really sad I missed this conversation :(
-I'm a Christian, btw.
-I do NOT think it's OK for teachers to teach their PERSONAL opinion as fact. I think it's ok to TELL what it is, but they must make it clear that it's just their OPINION.
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iLeaveYouWithHugs 8 months ago
Okey, I'm just going to say how I have been taught evolution and I liked it that way. We got evolution in elementery/primary school, and they mention it in the rest of my school years. We don't get it in science class but in history. In religion class they tell you then that you can choose what you believe but also how they think about it. I find this a good way to teach it.
IFrenchName 8 months ago
I FULLY agree with you. This is a wonderful way of putting it.
DaftBryan 8 months ago
She should be the next USA.
noelsoong777 8 months ago
I really like this video.(: it make;s me think.(: I put it in my Makes me think playlist.xD and fav;d.(: I like hearing you;re veiw;s on thing;s, do more of it?(:
15stargaze 8 months ago
What about religious schools?
Pruechelan 8 months ago
religion should be taught in school in religious studies, anthropology, and history.
And science should be taught in school, including the meaning of "theory".
pyrrho314 8 months ago
@ themunchkym ,Thank you for partially lifting my spirits after watching the Miss USA video.
I know that these women were placating judges/audiences/general public, but out of all the contestants, it would have been nice to see one of them answer emphatically in positive.
Your video response was right on the money !
OneWarmDragon 8 months ago
Three words for you!
Hash tag trollbait.
SmellyJelly4MyBelly 8 months ago
Science laws are science fact. But it's true that the word theory in science is not at all the same as the word theory in everyday language. But I disagree that basic religion shouldn't be taught in school. Knowlege of other's beliefs helps you better understand, them , yourself, and the world. So I do believe it is very important to teach religion. That being said evolution should DEFINATELY be taught as part of a biology class in high school. Evolution is such a crucial part of biology.
chemexplosions 8 months ago
I think 'taught' is the wrong word - that implies learning facts, I think both Religion and Evolution should be presented as an opinion in schools - equally.
SamCoxTV1 8 months ago
Can I give her the crown?
xpconanfan 8 months ago
Good video kid.
megaforcemedia 8 months ago
Great video, great reasoning. Well spoken.
InThrashWeCrust 8 months ago
Thank you.
benkalziqi 8 months ago
This young woman demonstrated more intelligent thought than ALL fifty contestants combined.
Elshond777 8 months ago 49
@Elshond777 all fifty? if u say so.
Sickan 7 months ago
Creationism should be taught in school. I figure if we can get kids through school who can't read or write, maybe we'll get some through school who have no idea what creationism is, and that will just make the world a better place.
praecorloth 8 months ago
exactly, its the same as religion as it can be used in many future careers such as vicar. if you looked into it religion is needed in every career to prevent discrimination or being prejudice towards others
TheRebeccaMarieShow 8 months ago
Saw the vid on tumblr... O goodness
bellavie92 8 months ago
@bellavie92 Oh, golly.... Is there a lot being said about it?
themunchkym 8 months ago
A female that uses reason and logic?! I swear, after watching the Miss USA questionnaire, I thought that impossible.
Thanks Munch, for restoring my "faith" in the fact not all females are as mindless and politically correct as them!
Phaze252 8 months ago
If you where taught about the history of religious belief, the ridiculous notions cultures create (cargo cults,dreamtime etc) you may become more skeptical that 6000 years ago a dude and a chick got tricked by a snake into eating some fruit
youwillbesaved 8 months ago
(2/2) So it's not fair to expect the atheist and the Hindi's to know all of these references, and therefore be able to answer the questions even in the most basic way, nearly as well as the Christians, or even at all unless you give them a way to learn the book that everything references. I suppose there are a few other solutions to this problem, but if it's taught at Lit. rather than religion, it shouldn't be a big problem.
TheFourOfClubs 8 months ago
@TheFourOfClubs That's a very good point. I remember when I took the AP English exam we had to write a passage from Shakespeare. The entire passage was a reference to the bible and a boy in my class who was Jewish got really pissed off because he didn't know the reference thus couldn't answer the question. That being said, the bible as a literature source (not religious) is offered at many universities. My boyfriend took such a class and enjoyed it a lot.
ThaliaXXX 8 months ago
I love this video. Having said that, I disagree. Not that I think there should be some kind of bible study for all the Christian to go take - but I think it would be excellent to have a class that just teaches the facts listed in the bible. Like, a class that teaches the bible as if it were literature, rather than religious text. I say this because there are SO SO many biblical references in classical literature that students genuinely need to know for their exams - regular and AP. (1/2)
TheFourOfClubs 8 months ago
Evolution can't ever work... When Genetic Mutation actually happens an animal loses Genes (I.e. A dog has long and short fur genes, it's mid length, no more short gene and It will be long, no going back) never can an animal EVER gain Genes in mutation eliminating the idea of a bird coming from the lizard or what not. I know most people don't realize this but it's still fact. And if you don't believe me do some research. I know your probably busy, but please, please do this for the sake of you.
kjfivetwoluver 8 months ago
@kjfivetwoluver avialae (modern birds) didnt evolve from lizards. They share the same synapomorphies as Maniraptora, Theropoda and then Dinosauria. Dinosaurs and their synapomorphic characteristic of the open acetabulum in the pelvis,Theropods with their synapomorphy of a three toed foot, Maniraptors (which include velociraptor) and it semilunate carpal and true feathers and avialae with flight feathers. Evolution does work. Small changes over great periods of time. Where do you do your sci?
cmsalvagio 8 months ago
@kjfivetwoluver This is actually not true... genes duplicate themselves very often, it's actually one of the most common forms of evolutionary progress. Once you have two copies of a gene, one of them is free to evolve new functions (perhaps making your hair longer, or making scales more feather-like), while the other stays the same. Wikipedia has a good article on this (gene duplication), with citations from reputable journals of evolutionary biology.
Bloodmuffin6 8 months ago
In Norway, we learn about religion in school. At first the class was called (ruffly translated) Christianity Religion Spirituality, and later changed into Religion Spirituality Ethics. It's a class you cannot not have, and you have it from like 5th grade until tenth grade. And then again in your senior year at upper secondary school..
It's a class that no one wants, but is forced to have so that we learn to respect religion other than our own. Not that we don't do that already, but yeah..
HypreEmmy 8 months ago
Once in high school we had to watch a video about evolution and fill out a work sheet that accompanied the video. Before the movie started, the girl in the seat next to me complained that we shouldn't learn these things in school because it went against her faith. After the movie she asked if she could copy my worksheet because she missed some answers. I told her 'no' since the topic was against her morals. I was pleased with myself.
ThaliaXXX 8 months ago
I don't even get why you made this video.
aimeethehut 8 months ago
I wanted to add to my comment. My family is from Kentucky, I was born in SoCal and raised in North Cacalacky. If I had to pick a winner from this question I would say Go New Mexico. I would also like to say, now that you have graduated from HS, clean your room because it looks like the flying speghetti monster exists and takes vacation there. (And yes that was a joke) I enjoyed your video and congrats on graduating. A=X+Y+Z (einsteins equation for success in life. Research it, learn it&apply!
IAMFARMPIE 8 months ago
I study the flying spaghetti monster >.>...
Rexvolt 8 months ago
Bravo, I agree with you completely. Seperation of church and state is ignored. These ladies in the padgent are being preped for politics. You can tell by them agreeing that it should be taught in school but its not what they agree exists or as one of them said "it exists a little bit" lol. Even though they picked a side, they are still standing on the fence so not to offend anyone. Want proof evolution exists. Tell a group of people they will have their food in 5mns. Then wait 6mns(WE R SAVAGES
IAMFARMPIE 8 months ago
you seem like a very knowledgeable person and I really enjoy listening to your opinions on certain topics, because they really make me think about it a lot more then i would have. your videos are great, keep um coming!
gretahoo 8 months ago
It just seems to me that the Creation theory is being dissed as myth and Evolution passed as fact. Sure. Church and state should be seperated. But studying and learning about different beliefs is alright. Atheism is a way of life just like Christianity is. You choose to believe something. Everyone has a choice no one should be forced.
BSmeansBlueSalad 8 months ago
@BSmeansBlueSalad Atheism isn't a "way of life" it is simply the absence in a belief of God. Atheists all over the planet live shockingly different lives. It doesn't have a set of beliefs that govern your life, the way Christianity does (though I know Christians all over the world live in different ways). Be careful when grouping Atheists and Christians as two different "ways of life" because Atheism and Christianity fall into two different categories. Christianity is a religion, Atheism is not.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
@BSmeansBlueSalad And everyone can choose, if they want to trust their faith other than the evidence and facts presented by evolution than that is their choice and they can send their children to a religious school. Secular schools should teach only what is founded in evidence. Want to get creationism taught in schools? Provide evidence using NO religious scripture WHATSOEVER.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
I think both theories about how the world came to be should be taught in schools because the big bang theory and the creation theory are the two most popular "how the world came to be" theories. And as long as they are taught un-biased then it should be fine. As long as both are discussed and one is not ignored. It only seems fair to introduce students to both sides. There are only two ways the world could have begun. 1. Spontaneously, without plan OR 2. Thoughtfully, with a creator
BSmeansBlueSalad 8 months ago
@BSmeansBlueSalad Creationism isn't a theory! A scientific theory must be provable, and creationism simply can't be. Evolution has yet to be 100% proven, but it is backed up with cold, hard evidence. Want creationism to have some legitimacy? Present some evidence for it that doesn't come from religious scriptures. Then it will have some credibility and should be allowed in schools.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
Hey the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the very best god of all, and he promotes evolution as the only valid history of life on this planet.
Joannewalker100 8 months ago
Nailed it! You always do. PS: I really love your Eiffel Tower necklace! :)
KristatheBallerina 8 months ago
I follow you on Twitter Kym, and i did not know of your BlogTV show. There are many people on Twitter. So yeah.
I'm so happy this Evolution debate is not an issue in Canada.
hinakiba777 8 months ago
I completely agree, evolution needs to be taught because it's a major aspect of Science, where as religion is completely based on faith.
awesomelyquietgirl 8 months ago
i think they should teach a history of religion instead of just religion
Teslim165 8 months ago
Evolution shouldn't be taught as fact in schools. It should be taught as theory. Schools should offer equal and unbiased lessons on both evolution and religion. Everyone, even if they are not Christian, should know a fair amount about Christianity and other religions so as to be able to make educated decisions and have constructive and intelligent arguments. The same goes for Christians being taught evolutionary theory.
0000sensei 8 months ago
I think in public schools, but not private schools. I am Christian and I believe God created the heavens and the earth but ironiclly Evolution is taught in my Christian School. Weird huh?
bananabread112 8 months ago
@bananabread112 I don't think that that's weird at all. All schools have standards that are required of them and teaching scientific fact is currently required in most states.
themunchkym 7 months ago
The winner of Miss USA, Miss California, is my mom's friend's niece. Just saying.
You make an excellent point here.
court2thenayyy 8 months ago
@shockerelena Are you talking about primary or secondary school?
IsMiseNiamh1 8 months ago
i live in ireland and we have catholic schools (like 99 % are catholic)
and we have religion as a subject although not tought as a test subject
even though are school is based totally on religious morals it has the best idea
we learn ALL forms of religion and evolution in science
religion is a great subject
DaftAnime 8 months ago
i live in ireland and we have catholic schools (like 99 % are catholic)
and we have religion as a subject although not tought as a test subject
even though are school is based totally on religious morals it has the best idea
we learn ALL forms of religion and evolution in science
religion is a great subject
DaftAnime 8 months ago
I don't totaly agree with you. I think religion should be thaught in school just as revolution. It should be taught in a non biased way and not as fact, more in a sence for students to understand other people from other cultures. There is too much hate in the world today because of peoples lack of knowledge in other religions and beliefs and because there is no understanding to why people from other religions act and do the things they do.
anneliworld 8 months ago
I disagree. I feel like evolution should be taught along side creation because after all evolution has not been proven. Just like you said it is a theory. Some people believe in evolution just like some people believe in creation. Evolution is jst as much as a religion as creation. Neither have been scientifically proven to be correct. They are both based on faith n personal beliefs. I feel like they should be taught along side eachother or not at all.
LadyBlu212 8 months ago
@LadyBlu212 Creationism is not a theory, evolution is. A scientific theory has to be provable and so far creationism has provided no way to prove it, and no evidence. It is pulled right from the bible. Evolution, however, has been studied and monumental evidence backs it up. Evolution should be taught as a theory, but the best (and evolving) answer we have to the question of how we are how we are.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
@LadyBlu212 Evolution is not a religion because there is no faith to it. You believe what you believe because of the evidence, and are willing to change your beliefs. Religion relies on belief without evidence. That is what makes it faith. Creationism should be taught in schools only if and when they can provide evidence for it that does not come from any religious scriptures at ALL.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
CreationITism should be taught in schools. Noah's flood too. They make a lot of sense. I could easily fit two of every animal into my family's speedboat. I can also make a man out of clay. But proving evolution through all the DNA evidence, the fossil record, the similarities between species, the fact that humans have a vestigial tail bone, the fact that most embryos look the same...that's just Satan trying to fool us!!
deanosumo 8 months ago
we learn about religion in school here in the uk. we learn about what the religions believe and the begining of the religion and such. im not to bothered bout learning about other religions cuz our teachr wont tell us what religion she is , no one will. but i think learnig about other religoins makes you a more well rounded person having knowledge on more topics so you can spark conversations and know more about the world. im personally a more scietifically minded person.
Makeawishbecometrue 8 months ago
well Christians for example believe that people believe that god made the earth. and therefore if your not within certain religions then other believe in evolution such as Scientology religion so technically it comes under that, and not science
TheRebeccaMarieShow 8 months ago
@TheRebeccaMarieShow evolution is one of the key parts in science, there is proof of it. and it is something you have to study because later on if you want to become a doctor, biologist, or any other scientist then you need that information. i think it should be treated as any other subject. no offense to any religion (i do respect everyone's spiritual beliefs) but science is a necessary subject for future career opportunities.
TheXhamsterlover 8 months ago
@TheRebeccaMarieShow If religions choose to disagree with scientific fact, then they are very welcome to. However, this does not change the fact that evolution is a fact.
MeOnStuff 8 months ago
Because I live in Ireland I have had to go a Catholic school (over 90%of public schools here are catholic).We have to pray at the start of each class and we atend masses.However we also have classes where we learn about the main religions in the world and I think this is very important as we understand other peoples cultures,belifes as it creates respect.We are also thought evolution.I dont like having Catholicism forced down my throat but i think learning about other peoples belifs is important
shockerelena 8 months ago
I didn't go to a religious HS, so I was taught about the major religions like any other class. I believe its still a requirement in the education system here.
Students are told certain things, there's a discussion and you're left to decide for yourself. I didn't believe everything I heard, a lot of it was incredible, that applies to both evolution and religion.
What I came out with, was an appreciation of both subjects and a passing grade, which is always nice.
ZombieRayzor 8 months ago
RS is compulsary at my school (up until the last year) which sucks because I'm not religious and although I think it's an interesting topic I would much rather be taking a different class. Also it doesn't really have much to do with religion itself but more the Christian point of views on various things.
staceyftw 8 months ago
You don't do religion in school? We have Religious studies, which is compulsory until year 11.. They're not biased or anything, I don't think anyway!
JUnderscoreD12 8 months ago
(continuation) Just like when teachers present religion it needs to be unbiased. there is a strange double standard for the belief in evolution and the belief in other religions.
jonascuppycake 8 months ago
@jonascuppycake
Learning science is different from believing in things based on faith. Every scientific theory should be taught so that the empirical evidence is presented. Biology is no different from other sciences like physics and chemistry in this sense.
Evolution doesn't need belief anymore than gravity does. There's much we don't know about gravity yet like how it related to the quantum world. So, do you believe in gravity? Just study sciences as sciences, that's all there is to it.
lainet 8 months ago
the problem is, people treaching evolution PRESENT IT AS FACT. though evolution doesnt have much evidence to back it up anymore, as much of it has been proven false, such as Haeckle's embryos. I'm fine with people teching evolution, it's actually pretty much neceesary, because parts of evolution are required, such as microevolution and have actually been proven. If evolution is to be taught, however, it needs to be presented in much less of a biased way. (continued ^^)
jonascuppycake 8 months ago
@jonascuppycake Evolution is a fact if you accept gravity as a fact. Or do you walk on water?
Joannewalker100 8 months ago
Are you religious? :)
HappyBappyBeth 8 months ago
WHOO-HOO! FIFTY VIDEOS! *champagne poppers*
While I agree with you that evolution should be taught in schools, I also think that it's necessary for there to be classes about religion in schools. Throughout history, most wars were started by religion and faith. Understanding all of these differences in opinions is vital to understanding how to relate to people today.
ermzgracieisawesome 8 months ago
@ermzgracieisawesome I wasn't talking about religion classes in general. I was speaking about religion being taught in science class. But, yeah.
Also, YAY 50 VIDEOS!
themunchkym 8 months ago
i believe that if you are searching for a religious education you should go to a private school for that religion and that religion should not be taught as a mandatory class in public schools because the public school system is so diverse
xxxKR27xxx 8 months ago
Yes! This was exactly what I was thinking (except I was a lot less eloquent) while watching that video. Subscribed to your channel :)
Sybyll 8 months ago 3
@Sybyll :D <3
themunchkym 8 months ago
I think that we should teach evolution and religion in schools. In my HS in 9th and 10th grade we took world history in that class we learned many religions which I think we need to do to have people learn to be civil to other religion also we learn about evolution which also is good.
ckid032393 8 months ago
@ckid032393 Learning about religion in a social aspect is not what I was talking about, though. I was simply talking about science. And I do see what you mean.
themunchkym 8 months ago
don't think it should be taught in school./ evolution not real anyways...
itchypigie 8 months ago
@itchypigie Do you have more reasoning behind this belief? Always back up your opinions! ALWAYS!
themunchkym 8 months ago 7
@themunchkym Proof: God created the heavens and the Earth. People say the the way the Earth was created in the Bibles is too far fetched ... But so is Evolution... Also why don't you give ME reason to believe Evolution?
Ps. I'm not entering this discussion with ignorance over the situation. I learned about Evolution for a whole semester at my school.
bananabread112 8 months ago
@themunchkym well...its kind of obvious that its not real. For example. in the theory there are many gaps that cannot be explaned. Where did the atom that exploded that caused the universe come from? how did everything work out so well. like the water cycle, dna, male/female, the five senses. It is so close to impossible that this could happen by chance that it should be considered impossible. Such as monkeys growing wings in one hour. it is so unlikely it is considered impossible.
america123jeff 8 months ago
@america123jeff well if you believe that then .... where did god come from
dna and sexes and the five senses were all developed to improve the species and survive
i'm christian and i believe this, it makes great sense
i also think you are enforcing the theory rather than disproving it
UNLESS of coarse you are doing something clever by parodying ignorance in which case bravo
DaftAnime 8 months ago
@themunchkym my reasoning is pretty much the same as the ppl who dont believe religion is real. just for evolution. :)
itchypigie 8 months ago
@itchypigie Feel free to elaborate! Everyone has different reasons, and I am interested in yours.
themunchkym 8 months ago
@themunchkym Ok. To me evolution is just like another religion. People claim to have proof that it is real but I could say the same about religion. I am a christian and i noe lots of people who were somehow cured form incurable diseases and situations that not even science can solve. Just as evolution has some facts backing up it, so does religion. but unlike evolution most people refuse to listen to the backing up that religion has and label it as false without listening to us.
itchypigie 8 months ago
@itchypigie Hi there. Biology student here. Evolution is no more a religion than the germ theory of disease. Both make scientific, testable predictions and both have had those predictions confirmed.
In some cases (like fruit flies or bacteria) scientists can actually see evolution and speciation happening in real-time over a period of weeks, months or years.
It is not an "evolution or religion" debate. As an example, just about everyone (Christians included) believes in evolution here in the UK.
nashertheatheist 8 months ago
@itchypigie Religion is not in itself a cure for diseases. Looking at Lourdes, a major place of pilgrimage, out of the billions of people heading there seeking for cures, only 64 got cured. This means the cure was highly not due to religious experiences, you might just have been praying to a bowl of soup and get the same result. Furthermore, I'd like names and not just the "I'm cured" claim. Plenty of cases have been investigated and indeed proven false (hoax, not cured but placebo effect, ...)
avdmeers 8 months ago
@itchypigie Evolution is a theory based on facts, and if there's anything to know about theories is that they may or may not be correct, this said however, the basis on which they are constructed from are all true, which is why they're reliable, reasonable and acceptable. Religion on the other hand is founded on faith, belief that is not based on proof. In other words it lacks factual evidence. (The bible is not a source of evidence, please study its history before you rebuke.)
ThePompousBitch 8 months ago
@itchypigie Council of Nicea. That is all.
themunchkym 8 months ago
@itchypigie how do u know is not real?
AndresB97 8 months ago
It isn't even fair to present both options and allow the children to "choose" because that indoctrinates the children at a young age with something that is only around BECAUSE of religion. For instance: the Amish as teenagers are allowed out in the real world for a day or two and they almost always return. But... is anyone lining up to become Amish who was previously not? No, because the only reason the teenagers return is because they've been indoctrinated with their religious belief.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
I also think religion is an extremely important thing to study. I wouldn't be against a mandatory class in religion. Of course, when I talk about a class in religion, I mean a class about different religions, how they impact our society, and how they have impacted history, not teach any one religion as a fact. Creationism is a religious belief and therefore teaching it as even a viable option to evolution is akin to teaching religion as fact.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
@likeomfgrawr Yes, I was only speaking of in science class. Religion IS important to learn about, but different religions, not just one.
themunchkym 8 months ago
The entire question was wrong, in my opinion. The question should have been Should Creationism be Taught in Schools? To that, I answer, only in privately owned religious schools. The state has a duty to teach facts that have been proven. If, and only if, substantial evidence comes to light to prove Creationism or disprove evolution, than something else can be taught.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
I disagree with you here. Evolution is called a theory, but basically everything that has ever been discovered has proven it. It is fact, and only a theory by name. The ONLY basis for creationism is the Bible, and the only reason this is even a question is because creationists have tried to turn their faith into pseudo-scientific fact.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
@likeomfgrawr Because of the span of time evolution has happened in we cannot prove 100% that it is fact. I am willing to say that it is accepted as such but it is not "fact".
GodeiBlack 8 months ago
@GodeiBlack It is good enough to call it a fact because it is one. You cannot say with 100% certainty that I'm not a spam bot, can you? But you accept it as fact that I am not one because it is pretty clear I'm not, and you simply call it fact. To call evolution anything but fact undermines it and gives credibility to the blatantly incorrect creationism.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
@likeomfgrawr You don't disagree with me. It IS only a theory by name! Which is what I tried to explain here. EVERYTHING in science is considered a theory.
themunchkym 8 months ago
@themunchkym There is no definitive way to prove that the sun is made of Helium, but it is and that is a fact. You can't call everything in science a theory, it simply is not and that is the sort of language used by religious pseudo-scientists who try to justify their faith and indoctrinate it into the unwilling.
likeomfgrawr 8 months ago
Are you not taught about evolution at all in school?
imlostinlondon 8 months ago
@imlostinlondon Yes, yes, yes! I learned about evolution and MOST people learn about evolution.
themunchkym 8 months ago
@giantcookiejar ....what does this have to do with the video? Maine Coon cats are cats in Maine, but they weren't... "developed". I mean, maybe if you're talking evolution.
themunchkym 8 months ago
in the UK you have to learn about religion and technicly evolution is religion- not science
TheRebeccaMarieShow 8 months ago
@TheRebeccaMarieShow Evolution is not religion... Why do you say that?
themunchkym 8 months ago
Very eloquently stated, I'd read your blog - previous to this video - as well, and you really hit the nail on the head. The use of the word 'theory' in science acts as a thorn in its side when others use the ridiculous argument "Oh, but it's just a theory!". Most of those people haven't bothered to look at the huge volumes of evidence proving evolution as fact. Science is about challenging ideas; but backed-up by evidence, research and rational thinking, not opinion (as is the case of religion)
rossexton 8 months ago
@rossexton DEFINITELY. Theory is a word that must be used because science is continually changing. There was a time when people thought THE EARTH WAS FLAT. And that changed too!
themunchkym 8 months ago
@themunchkym Ahh! I typed the Flat Earth argument into my initial comment; but it didn't make the final cut. Damned 500 character limit. Anyhoo, to avoid that whole problem I'm getting my thoughts together for a video-response :-)
rossexton 8 months ago
Evolution Vs. Religion.
Then in a little corner there's people like me who think god used evolution.
Dundundun.
Emmma360 8 months ago
@Emmma360 Your corner is larger than you might believe.
themunchkym 8 months ago