@alonelychild "Mere Christianity" is by C.S.Lewis - it is good, but incomplete (Lewis isn't Catholic, and while he teaches a lot of truth, it is incomplete). Chesterton himself does excellent work.
I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data,offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity(i.e.,Christian morality,spirituality,social ethic,and philosophy.
@heretic154 That is definitely true, but it should really be viewed the other way around. It is not the Catholic Church that conforms to the Bible, but the Bible that conforms to the Catholic Church. The cannon of Scripture was set by the Catholic Church based on which books supported Catholic teaching. Those that did (and were suitable for liturgical use) were included, those that did not were rejected. That is why nothing in the Bible can, nor ever does, contradict Catholic teaching.
I am Catholic because I sincerely believe,by virtue of much cumulative evidence,,that Catholicism is true,and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus Christ against which the gates of hell shall cannot and shall not prevail(Mt 16:18),thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit!
-150 reasons I'm Catholic and you should be too!, by Dave Armstrong-
Many evangelical christians simply dont know their own theology and don´t want to know anything about it. As you said, it is pointless to argue.
Your friend was at least honest, since many try to deny the thing about salvation no matter what. But it is easy, you just have to quote Martin Luther in his letter to Melanchton. He specificly wrote as your friend, saying something like: no one can appart you from the Lamb even in adultery or killing 1000 times a day.
I love your videos, keep them coming! Having been a former protestant, I would say the major problem with reaching them is the propaganda. Form the moment they become Christians they are propagandized about the Catholic church. They are told that Catholics pray to the dead and are pagan, the truth is they just don't know. It takes a lot of time and patents but they can be reached, I am proof!
Often, protestants I know will tell me that I am not a Christian because I am a Catholic, and that we worship Mary and the Saints.
As Fulton Sheen once said, only a small amount of people hate the Catholic Church, but many more hate what they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church.
Another thing, salvation through faith alone is exactly what Christ was against. Look up Matthew 7: 21-23. You have to walk the walk, or at least attempt to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Excellent work Michael, may Our Lord bless you in all your works for the Kingdom.
It is very refreshing to behold your "no nonsense" approach to things, as this is precisely what is needed, now more than ever.
The sooner wishy washy, flowery ecumenical clap trap and tosh is trampled underfoot and forever consigned to the dustbin, the better it will be. How I wish more Priests were "no nonsense" too...
CATHOLIC WARRIORS FOR THE TRUE TRUTH, RISE UP AND BE COUNTED,
If anyone finds it frustrating and a waste of time to talk to protestants about the faith in person, it's double the frustration to try to communicate any truth or reason with many on youtube. There are many anti-Catholic videos on youtube, only they dont reveal themselves as that until you're more than half way into them. Whenever you correct their lies, you get tons of hate or your comment is removed. I wish I knew how to reach out to protestants.
I tested what you said Michael. I asked a Evangelical pastor if he was a pre or post trib rapture believer or none at all.
Response- You have to blv in a rapture. It's like predestination - it's in the Bible, whether u like it or not.
He knows I'm a Catholic and we have discussed Double Predestination before. He believes that God picks a few people for heaven by decree before he created man and that God chooses damnation for the rest.
The lack of reason in Protestantism should be highlighted as a very serious threat to the Gospel and the salvation of the world. Increasingly we witness atheists revolting against what they experience when it comes to the type of "salvation prayer" theology exemplified in this video, or fundamentalism of all types, especially grievous in the anti-evolution pseudoscience of creationism. The "Bible alone" mentality is cognitively & emotionally stiffling, striking otherwise intelligent people.
As a former Independent Fundamentalist Protestant who converted in 2002, I find myself forced into finding what little common ground I can with my family who remain Baptist. I accept them as separated brethren and I will never give up my Catholic identity. There is opportunity for discussing things that are common among us, but little beyond that that doesn't end up in ugly accusations. The hardest thing to get across is that I don't believe they are going to Hell for being Baptist.
@234helenrose You misunderstand Vatican II which is totally understandable after all of the nonsense in the last 40 years. Protestant churches are not churches at all. They are mere faith communities with no ecclesial standing. The Council merely attempted to create an environment that would make it easier for people to return to the Church. This attempt was abused like many other aspects of the council. God preserve us from the "spirit of Vatican II!"
@234helenrose Vatican II is an eccumenical (meaning "of all the Church") council and to not follow it with full Catholic faith would be schismatic and evil.
Mr. Voris, God bless you in this much needed apostolate of yours. However, I must disagree with you here. Both Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI explicitly stated before and after the council that they refrained from discussing matters pertaining to doctrine and that it was merely pastoral in nature. The Church has allowed legitimate criticism of this council for years now. I wholeheartedly recommend you read Michael Davies' book: Pope John's Council for a thorough analysis.
@Samurai8989 Just because something is pastoral does NOT mean it can be disregarded. The Church allows legitimate criticism of everything - it is just that very little criticism is legitimate. To not accept Vatican II is schismatic and evil. That is the bottom line. Your post does not actually challenge that - instead, you bring up the isse of "pastoral". Yes, it is pastoral - and we must accept it.
@RealCatholicTV -- it is rash to say "To not accept Vatican II is schismatic and evil." I know that this era is dominated by heresy, dissent and error within the Church, but making this statement tells me something. You need to read more. Vatican II is a pastoral Council and a vaguely worded Council. There were no defined dogmas unlike Vatican I and Trent. Both popes have rightly said the Council must be interpreted in the light of Sacred Tradition. I agree.
@hlurpseed And to say it "must be interpreted in the light of Sacred Tradition" is not the same as rejecting or not accepting it!
I am literally DONE with such conversations! I have had it with soi dissant Traditionalists (read; Protestants with sacraments) saying we are wrong for accepting the full teaching of the Church.
This channel is called REAL Catholic. Accept the teaching of the Church, or get out!
Hold fast to the Truth and let it reflect in your conversation. Just remember Satan wants to divide us (Baptised Christians) so bring people along for our Catholic journey with love, respect and compassion for people who the Lords places us with. Remember their lives reflect their joirney and spiritual experiances with religion. Our Faith through our works will reflect into peoples lives and they will become courious about our faith. God Bless.
Hehe, I've gotten into this "The Church" conversation with Baptist and protestant groups before a number of times. Every time the say 'the Church" I hear the theme song from the twilight Zone play in my head.
But Cardinal Newman said it best: "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant".
Michael, you know, Martin Luther wrote, "Sin and sin boldly"....Michael, I am a Traditionalist Roman Catholic, but I graduated from Valparaiso University in Valparaiso, Indiana. It is a Missouri Synod Lutheran school. I received a lot of Luther's heretical theology as these classes were required for graduation...One thing I have to say is that most "American Catholics" think and reason about the faith just like Protestants with the wrong theology inside their heads because of the dominant cultur
I had a conversation with an AWESOME convert friend of mine...I asked him, "Isn't it hard being Catholic? And aren't you feeling so dumb, as you learn more, you start to realize how much you don't know, how much you'll never fully know, until full unity with Christ?"
His reply was that when he was a born again protestant, he knew it all. This is the personal view of each protestant - have you clued in to this new approach of them calling themselves underground Christians? Anyway, Thnx
Michael, I am so thankful that we have you. II attended a number of churches, my grandmother was Baptist & helped me grow in faith. The Catholics in my life kept their faith under the bushel basket. You are so correct in what you say about your encounter with protestants. I go round & round with my Lutheran Minister cousin from Minnesota, & my cousin Baptist leader from Oklahoma, so I offer it up & leave it in God's Hands. No explanation will suffice for those who don't believe, etc.
@TWTeresa I've been there and done that! Used to be a Pentacostal and converted in 2002 to Catholic. My relatives (children and wife) think I didn't have a brain in my head when I did so. (My wife converted at the same time but has since reverted to being a Pentacostal) ;-(
this Video is AWESOME!!! thank you Mike for posting!! I have members of my family who really believe that Catholism is wrong and that we do not read the Holy Bible. It frustrates me that none of them really "hear" the answers i give to their silly questions. They choose to take the "wide path" as well as your Lutheran you talked about in this video. I myself will stay the "Narrow Path" which is The Roman Catholic Church.
I was a Protestant for 20 years. Back then I would have agreed with much of what you told the Lutheran, unfortunately, the outcome might have been the same. But, after 10 years as a Protestant, I would have been open to discuss something that began to bother me — a sense that there should be something more than "theology."
Now, I see that as a Protestant I was a heretic. During the last 10 years of being a Protestant, thanks to the Holy Spirit, I was an uncomfortable one.
Except, that's not true that individual Protestants are not Heretics. They might not be Formal Heretics, but they are at least Material Heretics (once they are of the age of reason)
@RealCatholicTV That's not true. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
2089: "...Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same..."11
11 CIC, can. 751: emphasis added
ANYONE who is validly Baptized is baptized into the Catholic Church.
Also, this is explained in better detail in the Encyclopedia:
@RealCatholicTV Right. The Church may recognize their baptism as valid but that does not make them Catholic.
Similarly, two baptized non-Catholics can be validly and sacramentally married, and recognized by the Church as such, but that does not make them Catholic. At least that is my understanding of it.
As long as the Trinitarian formula is used for the baptism, it is recognized and valid as a proper baptism in the Catholic Church. So if a protestant or even some satanic worshiper pours, sprinkles, or dunks you with water while saying "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" then you are legitimately and properly baptized. :D
@KoruKun NOT legitimately (which pertains to law) but are validly. But that is NOT the same as being Catholic. One is Christian, not necessarially Catholic. Also; the baptizer has to intend what the Church intends.
Being validly baptized does not necessarilly equal Catholic.
Very well said. We, as Catholics, have a lot of work ahead of us. People in general are ignorant of history and scripture. We need to study our faith in order to defend our faith.
Michael, I have been in a discussion about this for some time with a particular Protestant. He claims that a person is not a Christian if they sin in the manner you speak of, so they will go to heaven.
I think they will come up just about anything to ensure they do not believe the Catholic church. It really amazes me. In actuality, he was making the case for Catholicism by coming up with things to explain his understanding.
I'm sure glad I was raised a Catholic.
Dodo251 8 months ago
Michael Voris, what do you reckon on the book "Mere Christianity" of G. K. Chesterton?
alonelychild 9 months ago
@alonelychild "Mere Christianity" is by C.S.Lewis - it is good, but incomplete (Lewis isn't Catholic, and while he teaches a lot of truth, it is incomplete). Chesterton himself does excellent work.
RealCatholicTV 9 months ago
I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data,offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity(i.e.,Christian morality,spirituality,social ethic,and philosophy.
heretic154 9 months ago
@heretic154 That is definitely true, but it should really be viewed the other way around. It is not the Catholic Church that conforms to the Bible, but the Bible that conforms to the Catholic Church. The cannon of Scripture was set by the Catholic Church based on which books supported Catholic teaching. Those that did (and were suitable for liturgical use) were included, those that did not were rejected. That is why nothing in the Bible can, nor ever does, contradict Catholic teaching.
baguazhang77 4 months ago
I am Catholic because I sincerely believe,by virtue of much cumulative evidence,,that Catholicism is true,and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus Christ against which the gates of hell shall cannot and shall not prevail(Mt 16:18),thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit!
-150 reasons I'm Catholic and you should be too!, by Dave Armstrong-
heretic154 9 months ago 2
Many evangelical christians simply dont know their own theology and don´t want to know anything about it. As you said, it is pointless to argue.
Your friend was at least honest, since many try to deny the thing about salvation no matter what. But it is easy, you just have to quote Martin Luther in his letter to Melanchton. He specificly wrote as your friend, saying something like: no one can appart you from the Lamb even in adultery or killing 1000 times a day.
Plain and simple.
AFhobbie 1 year ago
I love your videos, keep them coming! Having been a former protestant, I would say the major problem with reaching them is the propaganda. Form the moment they become Christians they are propagandized about the Catholic church. They are told that Catholics pray to the dead and are pagan, the truth is they just don't know. It takes a lot of time and patents but they can be reached, I am proof!
raddberry 1 year ago 3
Often, protestants I know will tell me that I am not a Christian because I am a Catholic, and that we worship Mary and the Saints.
As Fulton Sheen once said, only a small amount of people hate the Catholic Church, but many more hate what they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church.
Another thing, salvation through faith alone is exactly what Christ was against. Look up Matthew 7: 21-23. You have to walk the walk, or at least attempt to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
john6380 1 year ago 3
Excellent work Michael, may Our Lord bless you in all your works for the Kingdom.
It is very refreshing to behold your "no nonsense" approach to things, as this is precisely what is needed, now more than ever.
The sooner wishy washy, flowery ecumenical clap trap and tosh is trampled underfoot and forever consigned to the dustbin, the better it will be. How I wish more Priests were "no nonsense" too...
CATHOLIC WARRIORS FOR THE TRUE TRUTH, RISE UP AND BE COUNTED,
BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.. VAMOS !
CrusaderLuis 1 year ago
This is very much my fav video right now.
If anyone finds it frustrating and a waste of time to talk to protestants about the faith in person, it's double the frustration to try to communicate any truth or reason with many on youtube. There are many anti-Catholic videos on youtube, only they dont reveal themselves as that until you're more than half way into them. Whenever you correct their lies, you get tons of hate or your comment is removed. I wish I knew how to reach out to protestants.
redheadedhooligan 1 year ago
I tested what you said Michael. I asked a Evangelical pastor if he was a pre or post trib rapture believer or none at all.
Response- You have to blv in a rapture. It's like predestination - it's in the Bible, whether u like it or not.
He knows I'm a Catholic and we have discussed Double Predestination before. He believes that God picks a few people for heaven by decree before he created man and that God chooses damnation for the rest.
MrEucharist 1 year ago
Is it fair to say that Protestant Christian to go to Heaven needs special miricle form God and his salvation is not granted?
heroeswillneverdie 1 year ago
@heroeswillneverdie It would require a special act of grace outside the normal channels - that could be called a miracle, yes.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago 4
The lack of reason in Protestantism should be highlighted as a very serious threat to the Gospel and the salvation of the world. Increasingly we witness atheists revolting against what they experience when it comes to the type of "salvation prayer" theology exemplified in this video, or fundamentalism of all types, especially grievous in the anti-evolution pseudoscience of creationism. The "Bible alone" mentality is cognitively & emotionally stiffling, striking otherwise intelligent people.
Portubed 1 year ago
As a former Independent Fundamentalist Protestant who converted in 2002, I find myself forced into finding what little common ground I can with my family who remain Baptist. I accept them as separated brethren and I will never give up my Catholic identity. There is opportunity for discussing things that are common among us, but little beyond that that doesn't end up in ugly accusations. The hardest thing to get across is that I don't believe they are going to Hell for being Baptist.
BryanArtist 1 year ago
But Michael, it affirmed the valid status of Protestants. Pope John Paul II led that movement.
I'm not saying I reject Vat 2 - but it left plenty of room for the attitudes you so rightly decry.
234helenrose 1 year ago
@234helenrose >> it affirmed the valid status of Protestants.
No, it said they (who believe in Christ) are Christians. It does not say their belief is valid or as truthful as Catholicism.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago 6
@234helenrose You misunderstand Vatican II which is totally understandable after all of the nonsense in the last 40 years. Protestant churches are not churches at all. They are mere faith communities with no ecclesial standing. The Council merely attempted to create an environment that would make it easier for people to return to the Church. This attempt was abused like many other aspects of the council. God preserve us from the "spirit of Vatican II!"
millersatthefarm 1 year ago 2
It's about time this was affirmed! However, what, Michael, do you make of Vatican 2?
234helenrose 1 year ago
@234helenrose Vatican II is an eccumenical (meaning "of all the Church") council and to not follow it with full Catholic faith would be schismatic and evil.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago
@RealCatholicTV
Mr. Voris, God bless you in this much needed apostolate of yours. However, I must disagree with you here. Both Pope John XXIII and Pope Paul VI explicitly stated before and after the council that they refrained from discussing matters pertaining to doctrine and that it was merely pastoral in nature. The Church has allowed legitimate criticism of this council for years now. I wholeheartedly recommend you read Michael Davies' book: Pope John's Council for a thorough analysis.
Samurai8989 1 year ago
@Samurai8989 Just because something is pastoral does NOT mean it can be disregarded. The Church allows legitimate criticism of everything - it is just that very little criticism is legitimate. To not accept Vatican II is schismatic and evil. That is the bottom line. Your post does not actually challenge that - instead, you bring up the isse of "pastoral". Yes, it is pastoral - and we must accept it.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago
@RealCatholicTV -- it is rash to say "To not accept Vatican II is schismatic and evil." I know that this era is dominated by heresy, dissent and error within the Church, but making this statement tells me something. You need to read more. Vatican II is a pastoral Council and a vaguely worded Council. There were no defined dogmas unlike Vatican I and Trent. Both popes have rightly said the Council must be interpreted in the light of Sacred Tradition. I agree.
hlurpseed 1 year ago
@hlurpseed And to say it "must be interpreted in the light of Sacred Tradition" is not the same as rejecting or not accepting it!
I am literally DONE with such conversations! I have had it with soi dissant Traditionalists (read; Protestants with sacraments) saying we are wrong for accepting the full teaching of the Church.
This channel is called REAL Catholic. Accept the teaching of the Church, or get out!
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago 10
@RealCatholicTV Way to go RealCatholicTV...I am glad to see I am not the only Catholic who feels the way you do. God Bless you and your apostolate!!!
sonnydaniels 1 year ago 3
Hold fast to the Truth and let it reflect in your conversation. Just remember Satan wants to divide us (Baptised Christians) so bring people along for our Catholic journey with love, respect and compassion for people who the Lords places us with. Remember their lives reflect their joirney and spiritual experiances with religion. Our Faith through our works will reflect into peoples lives and they will become courious about our faith. God Bless.
8bluestone 1 year ago
Hehe, I've gotten into this "The Church" conversation with Baptist and protestant groups before a number of times. Every time the say 'the Church" I hear the theme song from the twilight Zone play in my head.
But Cardinal Newman said it best: "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant".
TheSabazios 1 year ago
Michael, you know, Martin Luther wrote, "Sin and sin boldly"....Michael, I am a Traditionalist Roman Catholic, but I graduated from Valparaiso University in Valparaiso, Indiana. It is a Missouri Synod Lutheran school. I received a lot of Luther's heretical theology as these classes were required for graduation...One thing I have to say is that most "American Catholics" think and reason about the faith just like Protestants with the wrong theology inside their heads because of the dominant cultur
FishEaster 1 year ago
RealCatholicTV ... nothing but the best! Rock on Michael, Rock on. :-)
ChristianFirefighter 1 year ago 3
I had a conversation with an AWESOME convert friend of mine...I asked him, "Isn't it hard being Catholic? And aren't you feeling so dumb, as you learn more, you start to realize how much you don't know, how much you'll never fully know, until full unity with Christ?"
His reply was that when he was a born again protestant, he knew it all. This is the personal view of each protestant - have you clued in to this new approach of them calling themselves underground Christians? Anyway, Thnx
AndreaMaciejewski 1 year ago
Again you are speaking the Truth from The One True Faith.
GodFamilyCountryCorp 1 year ago
Michael, I am so thankful that we have you. II attended a number of churches, my grandmother was Baptist & helped me grow in faith. The Catholics in my life kept their faith under the bushel basket. You are so correct in what you say about your encounter with protestants. I go round & round with my Lutheran Minister cousin from Minnesota, & my cousin Baptist leader from Oklahoma, so I offer it up & leave it in God's Hands. No explanation will suffice for those who don't believe, etc.
TWTeresa 1 year ago
@TWTeresa I've been there and done that! Used to be a Pentacostal and converted in 2002 to Catholic. My relatives (children and wife) think I didn't have a brain in my head when I did so. (My wife converted at the same time but has since reverted to being a Pentacostal) ;-(
glennsaiu 1 year ago
this Video is AWESOME!!! thank you Mike for posting!! I have members of my family who really believe that Catholism is wrong and that we do not read the Holy Bible. It frustrates me that none of them really "hear" the answers i give to their silly questions. They choose to take the "wide path" as well as your Lutheran you talked about in this video. I myself will stay the "Narrow Path" which is The Roman Catholic Church.
kld1966 1 year ago
I was a Protestant for 20 years. Back then I would have agreed with much of what you told the Lutheran, unfortunately, the outcome might have been the same. But, after 10 years as a Protestant, I would have been open to discuss something that began to bother me — a sense that there should be something more than "theology."
Now, I see that as a Protestant I was a heretic. During the last 10 years of being a Protestant, thanks to the Holy Spirit, I was an uncomfortable one.
JCassian 1 year ago
@JCassian Thank you for sharing this with us. God bless you and your family.
havock89 1 year ago
Except, that's not true that individual Protestants are not Heretics. They might not be Formal Heretics, but they are at least Material Heretics (once they are of the age of reason)
xphilemike 1 year ago
@xphilemike Only Catholics can be heretics. Protestants are just wrong.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago 2
@RealCatholicTV That's not true. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
2089: "...Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same..."11
11 CIC, can. 751: emphasis added
ANYONE who is validly Baptized is baptized into the Catholic Church.
Also, this is explained in better detail in the Encyclopedia:
xphilemike 1 year ago
@xphilemike >> ANYONE who is validly Baptized is baptized into the Catholic Church.
I note you do not have a reference for this. Someone who is baptized NOT as a Catholic is NOT a Catholic.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago
@RealCatholicTV Right. The Church may recognize their baptism as valid but that does not make them Catholic.
Similarly, two baptized non-Catholics can be validly and sacramentally married, and recognized by the Church as such, but that does not make them Catholic. At least that is my understanding of it.
Quatsch83 1 year ago
@RealCatholicTV
As long as the Trinitarian formula is used for the baptism, it is recognized and valid as a proper baptism in the Catholic Church. So if a protestant or even some satanic worshiper pours, sprinkles, or dunks you with water while saying "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" then you are legitimately and properly baptized. :D
KoruKun 1 year ago
@KoruKun NOT legitimately (which pertains to law) but are validly. But that is NOT the same as being Catholic. One is Christian, not necessarially Catholic. Also; the baptizer has to intend what the Church intends.
Being validly baptized does not necessarilly equal Catholic.
And this discission is closed.
RealCatholicTV 1 year ago 2
Thank you Michael! Thank you!
TVCatholic 1 year ago
I find that talking to liberal environmental sisters about what the catholic church actually believes can be difficult too.
averagecatholicjoe3 1 year ago
Very well said. We, as Catholics, have a lot of work ahead of us. People in general are ignorant of history and scripture. We need to study our faith in order to defend our faith.
tcgmagenta 1 year ago
Michael, I have been in a discussion about this for some time with a particular Protestant. He claims that a person is not a Christian if they sin in the manner you speak of, so they will go to heaven.
I think they will come up just about anything to ensure they do not believe the Catholic church. It really amazes me. In actuality, he was making the case for Catholicism by coming up with things to explain his understanding.
Needless to say, it is incredible.
ebolingUtube 1 year ago