#033 C5 MadStu's WPV - Rebuilding with a new idea

[RisingSun350]

cheers on the foster beer mate!

[terryblount163]

Continued;asI said before i am impressed,I would like to build a bubbler like the clear one,where did you get your clear tube from,Ive been looking here in Nottingham & cant find any,anyway keep up the good work,any questions just post me I dont go to bed till 3am.I think Ive got bubblers on the brain;bye for now Terry.

[terryblount163]

Hello STU (I dont think your really mad ?)Ive had much the same probs as U,& after months of experimenting finally come up with a cell that I am happy with,I Solved the problem of syphoning forever with a solenoid valve from the scrapyard for £1,Ive posted a video responding to questions from HHO users in USA,also downloading schematics for them,it keeps me busy,I am impressed with your set up

[ssnatcherss]

Anyone who's passed general chemistry can tell you that the combustion of HHO gives off the same amount of energy (in the form of heat) as the electrolysis of water requires (in the form of electrical energy). But you lose TONS of energy in the electrical circuit to resistance and in heat loss occuring during the combustion, so you don't even get close to breaking even. The laws of thermodynamics win again (they always do).

Electrolysis can be useful for storing wind/solar energy as HHO though!

[vancecook7]

Stu, I'm a new fan of yours from across the pond.

I like the efficiency of this design. I hope you can deal with the leaks and the heat problems so you can see if it's also efficient production-wise with what you've done with the rubber coating on the plate ends.

I'm just about to start building one based on the same concept, but not sure I'm ready to go with the single chamber concept without figuring out how to cast a casing around the plates (been thinking on that the past few days)

[MadStu1978]

Hello mate,

Yes, you may see from my latest video (#034) that I've had a big problem with this new design. Nothing but problems for me, LOL.

I'm sure there's a better way - if you find it, let me know ;)

Also, let me know if you upload a video of your build progress.

[warjon]

Love the videos.

I work in R&D Fabrication.

I hate to be critical on this one, but it seems like the added tube idea won't work the way you are hoping. I'm thinking you still want to use the PVC housing you have. First, the added water volume will keep you from having to refill the system as often. Second,more volume=more time before the water volume becomes hot. I don't understand the purpose of the rubber coating.Seems like that would prevent the water from flowing freely.

Cheering 4 U !

[MadStu1978]

Thanks for the comments, any criticism welcome :)

1. The water volume is irrelevant at this point, If this design was to work out, then there'd be a seperate water reservoir for refilling. A sensor would detect when the water level drops below the right amount, but in it's current form, it's just to test to see if it works.

2. You're right, and I'll have to think about the heat - It's small enough to be mounted in front of my radiator, or might give it's own small radiator.

[amen2233]

''Thanks for the comments, any criticism welcome :)''

i dont like your hair ,nor your dress sence -- --haha!

[MadStu1978]

That's what my wife tells me all the time ;)

[MadStu1978]

3. The rubber seals the plates exposed edges. So the current of electricity (not water) will be sure to go through each plate and not leak around the side, hopefully increasing efficiency - I hope to test this later today.

[marienkiffe]

hurry up with the next episode stu --waiting to see if this this works -- ;)

[MadStu1978]

Hehe,

I was away all weekend so couldn't work on it then, and have been working hard monday to friday's, so have little time at the moment.

I do spend time on it each night though, and so far have found a new leak every night! Seems my chamber wasn't air tight, I'm hoping that the latest repair I made will be the last and can begin testing as soon as the glue dries!

I'm desperate to get this thing working too though, hehe, Diesel prices are killing me!

[amen2233]

I know what you mean when you say 'diesel prices are killing you ''--i have already got orders to produce them for people and havent finished testing myself. I think people are getting a bit desperate!

ps marienkiffe is my other account ..(just incase you were wondering).

hopefully monday you'll have something up!!! :)

got some more stainless , going to try something similiar to yours ..will make a vid.

[MadStu1978]

Great! Send the royalties to my paypal account ;-)

[onamissionshifter]

Well said Stu

Just because it looks good in the solution does not mean that it's better, hho in water is not what you want, hho out of water is your goal and doing it efficiently.

Thought I'd help Stu.

Contrary to the belief, there is live north of watford gap hehehe

Have a good one mate

we are onamissionshift

[MadStu1978]

hehe :)

[billaverbach]

I have some SS that is perforated. I seems to work better than solid plates. But what do you do about things like the O2 sensor? My car seems to get worse mileage. I heard there was a way of "extending" the O2 sensor so it doesn't heat as much.

I.E.

My big problem seems to be the computer.

[MadStu1978]

Actually no, perforated isn't better.

The holes in the plates have 2 effects:

1. Decrease surface area, so less Hydroxy is produced.

2. Increase current leakage, so the current will bypass any neutral plates and again, produce less Hydroxy.

If you don't have any neutrals, then number 2 doesn't apply, but still, solid plates are much better.

As for O2 sensors, I have yet to play with any kind of electronics....

[MadStu1978]

... but from what I understand, you will need to trick your car's computer by replacing the O2 sensor with some kind of resistor. I really have very little knowledge on this though and you should seek advice elsewhere :)

I'm lucky that my van is very basic, doesn't have a computer or any electronic sensors as far as I'm aware.

[luckeywolfe]

hey stu

great work, keep it up!! I'm A novice and have build a couple of plate cells myself. I had a suggestion for your vacuum problem. I might be in left field, but how about a one way check valve between the cell and the bubbler. Just A thought!!!! Good Luck and (staying with your religion)May the Force be with you!!

[MadStu1978]

Hehe,

Yes a check valve is a good idea - I'm sure I've seen others using automtice ones, normally used for fuel lines, which would probably be best for our usage. Possibly even one used on natural gas / LPG systems. I'm not sure though as I've not realy looked into this yet.

[onamissionshifter]

Hi mate

Brill Design, you will still need to expand on the it. A good bench mark

The cell heats up when producing gas when the cell is not in use and switch off the cell cools causing a vacum pulling in water from the bubbler. I sure you did a simple test at school ie coke can with water in, heat it up plug the top, cool and the can shrinks I will have to came and smack your legs for forgetting that HeHeHe!!!!Nice one mate.Onamissionshift

[MadStu1978]

Hehe,

Yeah I guess you're right. Ooops!

[apsert]

astra dti 1.7. had a gain of 3mpg. i did a 1otr test till i ran out. using the same stretch of rd. so i have a 50-ltr tank. my maths say i am gaining 75 to the full tank. WELL HAPPY WITH MY FIRST ATTEMPT ! nICE WORK STU. BIG UP Bournemouth

[MadStu1978]

Big up to you too, hehe

75 miles a tank gain is good, I'm sure you could do better though - although I think there's probably a computer involved in yours which would probably need playing with :)

[deltahho]

Wow Ummm, yeah wow its different lol see how its go's huh I say why not try everything and your doing just that nice one mate!! I got my second batt today & just hookingg it up in the boot hopefully get the new 120amp alternator in on wednesday I should have more then enuff amps to run it and the car I will have a total of 1100cca at the moment my car only has 50amp and 550cca it was no good I really hope that rubber glue works, would be great if it dose! Keep up the good work! lets beat 5.7mmw

[MadStu1978]

Hehe, like I said just now, it's sort of a hybrid dry/wet cell - not sure on the proper definition for both.

The rubber paint should hopefully be ok, will be a bugger to get out now it's all glued!

Anyway, that 120A alternator is loads! You're gonna get masses of gasses!

Now hurry up and get a vid uploaded! With numbers! ;)

[miked826]

What crashed UFO did you get that contraption out of mate? I want to get me one to. MadStu is thinking outside of the box alright. LOL

[MadStu1978]

hehe, Well, not sure if there's anything original in there - except possibly the idea of using a tube to connect to the top PVC cap to reduce vacuum problems, but I didn't use that in this cell anyway

It's sort of a hybrid dry/wet cell. Worth a go anyway.

[miked826]

I think Yoda from Star Wars put it best when he said, "Do or do not...there is no try".

[MadStu1978]

hehe, very wise.

I am of course a Jedi Knight - my religion is Jedi, That's what I wrote on the last Census form anyway! (Am I a geek?)

[miked826]

I think the world would be a better place if we all lived by the Jedi Code. If that makes you a geek, then so be it. Geek Chique. LOL

[farroff]

very interesting idea!it seems i can't stop thinking about hho ideas,this is a very important project for everyone ,so keep up the good work and look forward to seeing the results of this and other projects you and your friends are working on,your fan far.

[MadStu1978]

Thanks :D

Hopefully have some data by next weekend, I wont have time to experiment over the weekend as I'm away.

[greenwoodcircle]

Brilliant Stu!  I cannot wait to see the results.

[MadStu1978]

Me neither!

[blazedkirby]

this is my setup that i would do! of course a lil different. i would weld metal plates around the acrilic to hold pressure better!

but must say nice work!

[MadStu1978]

Good idea. Unfortunately I've not got much metal fabrication abilities/tools.

I might get 2 thick pieces of acrylic though and clamp them together with threaded rods...

[blazedkirby]

this was my first idea, to use threaded bars to clamp it shut, but i do know that the metal would hold more pressure than the acrillic, even with the threaded rods. i doubt that the cell u have right now can withstand any back pressure. but who knows, prove me wrong.

[MadStu1978]

Yeah, you're probably right - I can't wait to begin testing though!

[SmartScarecrow]

very interesting concept ... very compact package ... have some concerns about if it will sturdy enough when exposed to the heat and vibration under the hood ... but its quite a creative solution to the problems ... good luck with it ... hope you meet with success ...

fire it up !!! lets see what that little pink monster can do !!!

[MadStu1978]

Hehe, yeah I have the same concerns.

It can at least be a prototype for a better cell in the future.. maybe, hehe..