When I focus, I notice the thoughts are seamless :( There were no spaces at all. The chatter is in words (90%) coupled with visions (mostly out of memory). There were major thoughts that I particularly noticed come and go and the gap between them was filled with debris like minor (mostly verbal blah blah) thoughts. I did not attend any of my thoughts. Just watched them come and go. But, there were no gaps :( No feeling of stillness. What do I do now? How to stop the constant subvocalisation?
@xam90ful Hi, this time I tried to focus on the space/medium in which these thoughts are occurring. It is a space of sorts not the space as we know it. But, I still felt confined to my head area. Oh btw thanks for the reply, hugs
u have one rule to enlightenment it seems: dont have any foundation, values, rules and most importantly dont be constrained by morals. that would be just too hard wouldnt you say? you want a muscular body without the trivialities such weight lifting and exercise. enjoy the wide path.
@MrChava685 You are getting everything wrong and on the 8 fold path you do not have right understanding and right intention. The intention of the video is simply to point out the experience of enlightenment and plant a seed. Once people get a taste for it they will seek more, e.g. in a tradition, or they may develop the path themselves which is the foundation and the brings the right values. In contrast to you you, my intention is right and so is my understanding of Enlightenment.
You clearly believe in strict tradition as the only path, but here we disagree. I do not say that Enlightenment is "easy" but that its "simple" -- because Enlightenment is simply our true nature -- no magic here. This statement I have backed up with Tsele Rinpoche's mention of Garab Dorje's "Three Words Striking the Vital Point." These three words "condense all the teachings of the Buddha to the quintessential meaning: recognize your essence." (The Bardo Guidebook)
And I can also give you the words of the Dalai Lama, which should be more than enough authority. The Dalai Lama explains that the mind of enlightenment also “occur at the ordinary level” and that all the “qualities of the mind are present within it naturally.” Like Garab Dorje the Dalai Lama also says that: “recognizing one's true nature is equivalent to becoming totally enlightened.”
True, having the seed does not make one Enlightened but I have never said so or that the path was easy.
Of course for someone lost and very unenlightened, Enlightenment may be hard but if it was so extremely hard as you want it to be or not naturally present as stated above: then how is it possible to experience Enlightenment during trantra sex? You are aware that enlightenment can be experienced during trantra and sexual experience, right? Good, this is evidence that Enlightenment is simply our true nature as I have said so many times.
Your wrong understanding comes from misunderstanding me saying that enlightenment is “easy” instead of simply our true nature, you also misunderstand that I say Enlightenment or keeping the state is easy. Just because the seed of enlightenment is there naturally it does not mean that it’s easy to be enlightened or keep the state. I say this clearly in the video. What I do say is that Enlightenment is "more simple" that what most people thing: meaning what it is - our true nature - is simple.
Then my description (pointing out) of Enlightenment as Emptiness is also correct. In the video I use "Emptiness" to describe Enlightenment. Emptiness is the “mind of enlightenment,” the ground of being or primordial awareness as the “Great Perfection” or clear light. This is the non-conceptual state of pure consciousness can be described as thought-free wakefulness. This explanation of Emptiness is supported by the Mahayana tradition, the Dalai Lama, and several other Buddhist traditions.
So, really there is nothing in the video that supports your false understanding -- and this is where you have wrong intention. Your belief that I am wrong is wrong and then you use your false view to attack me and this video -- as you have so many others on youtube. This angry crusade of yours is your wrong intention and there is nothing noble or enlightened about leaving a long trail of negative karma here and all over youtube. This is fundamentalism and belongs in religion, not Enlightenment.
The reason that right understanding is first on the 8 fold path is that once you get this wrong it leads to wrong action. This is what has happened to you: you are blind. You have misunderstood my video and this has led you to wrong action. Also the fact that your activity page shows a long list of attacks against other videos in the exact same manner, using the same language to attack: is clear evidence of your wrong intention. Fundamentalism not at act of noble wisdom: it is bad karma.
...and about tradition: the fundamental thing you do not understand about tradition is that Enlightenment as our true nature is there with or without tradition. You think a tradition creates Enlightenment but Enlightenment is already there as our true nature. Yes, a tradition may be a good tool for some or many but it is not the only path to something that exists independently of it: my finger points to the moon but do not think my finger IS the moon.
@lightbehindgod judging from your vocabulary and spiritually lax philisophocal ideals I assume you either are renee or are one of his underlings. I suggest you remove your mouth from the teet of ignorance. enlightenment is not a can of beer. you dont use it and abuse it. listen well u easy going fool, becoming enlightened is the path of noble wisdom, it is not a temporary joyride for still sitting undisciplined rascals like yourself.
@MrChava685 A path of "noble wisdom"?? There is nothing Noble about the way you carry yourself and use enlightenment as religious fundamentalism. Listen to yourself: "confused eckart tolle student," "new age fool", "easy going fool do the dharma a favor and remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!" - you wrote the same on another video and your activity shows a long trail of attacks all over youtube - just as you have here. You are the attacker: you are creating karma.
what makes your interpretation false is the lack of repentence and morals. can a murder become enlightened(kingdom of heaven) without first leaving his sinning ways(not following gods commandments/buddhist precepts)? anyone who reads this will intuitively realize the truth if his heart and mind are willing. knowledge is a hindrance, I recommend you stop your philosophy. you are becoming drunk with the samadhis of meditation, which is a roadblock to becoming a buddha.
@MrChava685 Enlightenment is simply our true nature. You are confusing spiritual maturity with religious fundamentalism and in your confusion you use arguments for spiritual maturity to enforce fundamentalism. The experience of Enlightenment may be hard for some people, but that does not mean it can only be taught based on one tradition, precept or path. Remember the Buddha gave 84.000 different teachings expressing the “Vital Point” and “quintessential meaning: recognize your essence."
...and I recommend that you stop attacking everyone and every video on youtube that you do not agree with: " remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!" Your angry crusade is religious fundamentalism and doing this crusade in the name of 'enlightenment' shows just how spiritually immature you are. Enlightenment is about you and not me. Also your path of negative karma here on this page and all over youtube is there for everyone to see and learn from: enlightenment gone wrong.
@MrChava685 Here you have actually contradicted yourself. You began your attack with the standard cliche that enlightenment cannot be described. However, now enlightenment can only be achieved by following commandments or precepts -- what is the difference between this and description? And is a tradition not a description of enlightenment as an interpretation thereoff?? Enlightenment is simply our true nature -- words, description, meditation, tradition -- are all tools: the finger that points.
...when you talk about specific commandments or precepts, you are talking about a specific description of what enlightenment is. A description is a description as a path is a path -- but Enlightenment is Enlightenment -- and simply our true nature.
The point of this whole debate is that you began by attacking my description of Enlightenment with "enlightenment cannot be described" and instead you want to replace my description with your own 'correct' description -- this is fundamentalism.
... he also said "dont give pearls to pigs, lest they trample them with thier feet, then turn to devour you". even still here I am giving you my pearls, so dont say I have no compassion. I tried to put you on the right path but your ego can only be removed by you.
@MrChava685 The first line that got Jesus in trouble and charged with blasphemy was: "Before Abraham was born: I am!" - John 8:58 And what is so revolutionary about this statement is that "I am" -- our spirit or essence -- was there not only before Abraham but before all religions and traditions. The same goes for Enlightenment: to recognize our essence or spirit is timeless and universal -- no religion or tradition has a patent no it -- and anyone making this claim is a fundamentalist.
there you go picking and choosing from various disciplines. jesus said I am that I am. did you happen to read the rest of the new testament? doubtful. he had much more to teach than a simple two letter phrase. he also happened to teach quite a few precepts for his disciples to follow. rules for following the narrow path, not the wide path that easygoing fools like you so cherish...
@MrChava685 Yes, I have read it and the path to God is through the Holy Spirit -- spirit in Greek means "mind or consciousness."
If the path is so narrow: why did the Buddha have 84.000 teachings and not just one? I will let the words of another 'easy going fool' speak to you: In the Bardo Guidebook Tsele Rinpoche mentions Garab Dorje's "Three Words Striking the Vital Point." These three words "condense all the teachings of the Buddha to the quintessential meaning: recognize your essence."
actually I was the one said "ignore the words and comprehend the message"... so I guess you believe im pretty enlightened. doesnt matter. I believe your message is "easy enlightenment". it only comes after adhering to the precepts!
@MrChava685 Then you should know that words and traditions only point towards enlightenment, and if you are; you would know that Enlightenment is universal as our true nature: our pure being or essence. The Greeks wrote "Know Thy Self" on the Oracle and Jesus says "I AM" in the Bible. As said: to think that Enlightenment "only comes" through precepts or a specific tradition is fundamentalism as much as saying that God can only be found in the Bible or any other religion.
...a seed planted is a seed planted. But the point was that with your fundamentalist interpretation of enlightenment you are on a crusade against everyone and everything that does not fit your narrow understanding of Enlightenment. The evidence of this is your activity page, which shows your trail of attacks where you call everyone an "easy going fool." Our true nature is not only enlightened but also compassion and Enlightenment is not: believe as me and do as I say "at once!" anger.
@neardeathawakening no no no. you cannot pick and choose what you want from buddhism. you speak of reaching enlightenment and the void without preparing the body and mind through any sort of buddhist precepts whatsoever. how can one reach the other shore without the raft?!? impossible! your are not a pratykebuddha, but rather you are another confused eckart tolle student. your false knowledge and delusional ego prevent you from realizing your ignorance of the true path. new age fool.
@MrChava685 You are such a child: your activity page reveals your spiritual immaturity and the path of negative karma you leave behind you. You started by calling me an “easy going fool” and you wrote the same on another video Zen is Not Self Improvement: “I believe the speaker to be an easy going fool.” The teacher’s response was actually pretty enlightened: “ignore the words and comprehend the message.” The Buddha said: my finger points towards the moon but do not think my finger IS the moon.
...the point is that in teaching we need to use words, not to describe but as Buddha's finger: as tools to point in the direction of enlightenment. Where you get lost in your unenlightened and spiritually immature state is the finger. You are looking at the finger (words/descriptions) and not what it is pointing towards (Enlightenment). And as in religion; there is not just one true path but many paths and traditions that leads to the same experience of Enlightenment. You are a fundamentalist.
@neardeathawakening you say "its easier than most people think". "to keep it, to hold on to it". no my confused son, it is not easy and it cannot be grasped. enlightenment is a never ending path. what you believe to be enlightenment is but a false salvation you have conjured up in your own delusional mind. you are a mere philosopher and no respect is to be shown to you. you are confusing eager newcomers to the path and laying down a path of negative karma all around you. merit you do not have.
@MrChava685 You are the one spreading negative karma here and I am simply your mirror. Your mind is unclear and you misrepresent my words: I say "more simple" and not "it's easier." Enlightenment is actually "more simple" because its our true nature: what is more simple than that? But right, if people are as lost as you its not easy to find truth. Emptiness IS Enlightenment, however, I say "different ways, interpretations, tools and traditions" something you do not comprehend in your immaturity.
...Emptiness is found in several Buddhist traditions and the video is a guide that points towards the direct experience of Emptiness, which is the experience of Enlightenment. Period. I say "what is difficult is to keep it, to hold on to it" and yes, because its difficult or you cannot keep it or hold on to it: enlightenment is a never ending path. We agree: but you cannot see the unity -- instead you misrepresent, attack and insult. These are your fruits and merits of your unenlightened state.
@neardeathexperience I believe that your interpretation of gautamas discovery is false. I liken you more to an eckart tolle buddha. being enlightened is a much longer walk than simply discovering the time-being. quit believing that enlightment is something to grasp for yourself. and who said the dalai lama is my teacher? easy going fool do the dharma a favor and remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!
@MrChava685 There you go: believe as me and do as I say "at once!" What a clear sign of spiritual immaturity and fundamentalism. Also your original charge is wrong, which shows you do not see clearly. True, enlightenment cannot be explained: it must be directly experienced. However, the video clearly separates itself from "conceptual investigations" as a guide to "show" and "point out," and that's why there is a guided meditation in it. You are the one that is ignorant AND arrogant here.
@neardeathawakening No respect is to be shown the philosophers nor the easy going rascals who pervert others with thier ignorance. If u had read a bit of Gautama and Dogens works you would be closer to the truth of Dharma. Remember you are but a branch of the buddha vine.
@MrChava685 Have you ever seen the Dalai Lama or anyone more enlightened than yourself speak as disrespectfully as you? No? What you mention is the way of the Budhisattva to reveal values to be abandoned, but that only works for you if you know what is true and what is not. The video clearly says its a guide and that there are other ways and interpretations. Your crusade is clear evidence of your intention: an attack on other interpretations which is spiritual immaturity (fundamentalism).
@MrChava685 The video is a guide using different words not to describe but point in the direction of the experience of enlightenment. You are the arrogant and unenlightened fool who knows nothing about the compassion of the true state - or you would not have spoken as disrespectfully as you did.
Also saw your crusade against many other videos on your activity page: bad religion = bad karma, my friend. The spiritual immaturity of fundamentalism is present in all religions and all spirituality.
how can you claim to be enlightened and yet still believe in the christian god or any religion at all for that matter. Are you not aware of the falsehoods of the bible?
@ornivb All religions have aspects of truth in them - seeing this and making that link between all religions is considerably more enlightened than an all out attack on Christianity or religion as a whole. What you seem to suggest is much closer to fundamentalism than enlightenment as an all out rejection of religion is extremism and can be just as fanatic as religious fundamentalism.
@NearDeathAwakening I agree with you on morals in those texts but is there much else? I mistakenly misinterpreted you as a christian and was obviously not aware enough at the time to see my mistake. But is still brings the question: How can you trust people to make the choice about what is truth in a holy text and what is not?
@ornivb I think you can find God or your true nature through all religions and spiritual traditions. How can you trust people? That's up to each person themselves and depends on their level of spiritual maturity. However, I agree that these religion teach fundamentalism can claim to be the only truth does not help this matter.
@RepentanceIsKey No, meditation helps you overcome 'Satan' by find the Kingdom and Spirit of God within as the Bible tells us to. Jesus spent 40 days in the desert and returned in the "power of spirit," and Saints like John on the Cross meditated - so this is nothing new or strange to Christianity.
@NearDeathAwakening I got a whole page long email from her about how astral projection is going to allow the devil to possess me or some crazy BS. She is obviously a brainwashed wackjob.
"I will not let me fill this page with your interpretation" is what you answered to me for why you deleted my comment on there being no teacher/no seeker? that is interesting .... doesn't seem to be very open minded nor compassionate........
Are you awake here? Even though I say in the video that there are many different paths, still You began with saying my video is: "not the full and complete experience of enlightenment which of course is.."
Your statement is what is not every open minded nor compassionate. So, should I let you fill up this whole page with your ego and the narrow mindedness that does not accept more than one way to explain enlightenment? Fundamentalism and Enlightenment do not mix.
Yes, because you made your point already: No teacher and no seeker for you means No thing. However, as explained in Mahayana Nothingness or 'no teacher, no seeker' does not mean a nihilistic nothingness but your true nature which, yes, is not 'a thing' as an ego but still is a state of being. Theradava and some Indian philosophies see 'no thing' as nihilistic 'non-being' but this is wrong according to Mahayana. That's where we are and I will not let you fill this page with your interpretation.
yes. but these are experiences he is talking of... very different from BEING LIBERATED... this is practice yes but not the full and complete experience of enlightenment which of course is not the right word as there is NO PERSON to BE ENLIGHTENED... but this is helpful along the way..... in the experience of enlightenment there is no person there to feel enlightened.... this makes sense if you feel in to it. Now stay with that felt sense ......
Maybe you missed that I said in the video that there are different paths? I have studied different path and your understanding of Enlightenment seems to rest on the No Thing philosophy of Theravada Buddhism. However, this is only one line in Buddhism and e.g. in Mahayana, Emptiness (=Enlightenment) is not empty but FULL of our true state of being (Joy, Love, etc.) The state of Emptiness is a NO ego but not a Nihilistic No BEING as Enlightenment is the essence of your being: your true nature.
"According to the Theravada school of thought, when a person reaches Nirvana then there is no more person, he completely disappears, but according to the higher school of thought the person still remains, the being itself still remains. "
But besides that: Being Liberated is also not a permanent state that you disappear into - it is a gradual process of purifying the mind and one's actions, which starts with a direct experience of Enlightenment.
Thanks for the comment but there is nothing wrong with the video, as it is simply just one way to explain enlightenment.
Emptiness is the mind of enlightenment and this is the state of pure consciousness, which can be described as thought-free wakefulness. This explanation of Emptiness is supported by the Mahayana tradition and the Dalai Lama, and in the video I use Emptiness, Stillness, the space between thoughts, etc. to describe this state.
I'm confused. I'm not trying to sound like I'm mocking any of these ideas, but I'm honestly confused. The idea of being "free" from my thoughts sounds like death. Like it was before I was born, when I guess I didn't exist as an individual. Why would you want to be one with everything if you lose yourself in the process? It makes no sense to me. I've had an experience where I was unable to think, and I experienced a time loop, and I felt infused with everything while being aware of it. Horrible.
"Free" here does not mean nothingness. Freedom from your thoughts means non-attachment to your thoughts. Non-attachment also does not mean no thoughts just that you are observing your thoughts rather than being controlled by your thoughts.
What you loose in the process is your ego but once you move beyond that you will experience your true self, so you don't loose yourself you gain or win your true self. First time this may be scary but once you get used to it, your life becomes enlightened.
@NearDeathAwakening Thank you.. I understand you, and if enlightenment is what you say it is, I've already become enlightened, although it seems to have been a gradual process.. I literally felt like I was in this pure state of being.. But I was literally every thought I made.. My thoughts and body were one, if that makes sense, and even words became actions. As if even though I was standing still, I was still in motion, and my thoughts were just a frame of my "movie"..
Thank you very much, I really liked the video and will certainly be linking others too it! So many times I see meditation as something that is presented as so complicated and it's not! It's a natural thing anyone can do. It took me so long to figure that out, and since then my meditation has been wonderful. Thank you again for your very accurate description!
Great video. Best explaination of how to quiet the mind I have seen. Very difficult to achieve, but if you can do it, you can achieve some measure of peace of mind...
You provide a clear depiction of meditation. I have found that enlightenment is truly, at it's core, a non linear experience. The space between that you mention is an extra dimensionsal timeless consciousness. Though it cannot be labelled Love is God and it is in essence all that is truly authentic. Blissful feelings are the closest link we have to Love consciousness. As you point out it is non cognitive for the moment we think about what we are doing it is lost.
Thank you, Rene, for your advice on how to meditate, it is very clear. I also appreciate you explanation of enlightenment. I had been getting frustrated with what seemed to me to be complicated or vague notions. Blessings
Hi, I've been doing 'guided imagery' and deep relaxation techniques in my meditations, but I've read that repeating a mantra over and over again is a better way to open the mind. What techniues do you recommend for getting my mind into that state of 'no thought'? Ultimately, I'd like to do some type of transcendental meditation, but I'm just starting out and quite uneducated in this whole area in general. Thanks
I think there are many paths, but personally I have used meditation where you focus on your breathing as I explain in the video. Focusing on your breathing takes you from your mind/thinking into the body and thus calms the mind. For me, its a very simple and effective technique.
When I focus, I notice the thoughts are seamless :( There were no spaces at all. The chatter is in words (90%) coupled with visions (mostly out of memory). There were major thoughts that I particularly noticed come and go and the gap between them was filled with debris like minor (mostly verbal blah blah) thoughts. I did not attend any of my thoughts. Just watched them come and go. But, there were no gaps :( No feeling of stillness. What do I do now? How to stop the constant subvocalisation?
Autumn2487 5 months ago
@Autumn2487 just focus on your sensual experiences! don't use sight. the best one is hearing. he is telling us to focus on the sound of our breath.
xam90ful 5 months ago
@xam90ful Hi, this time I tried to focus on the space/medium in which these thoughts are occurring. It is a space of sorts not the space as we know it. But, I still felt confined to my head area. Oh btw thanks for the reply, hugs
Autumn2487 5 months ago
@Autumn2487 Focus on your breathing, a point on the wall or anything else than your thoughts.
NearDeathAwakening 5 months ago
good video
spacestick1 6 months ago
u have one rule to enlightenment it seems: dont have any foundation, values, rules and most importantly dont be constrained by morals. that would be just too hard wouldnt you say? you want a muscular body without the trivialities such weight lifting and exercise. enjoy the wide path.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 You are getting everything wrong and on the 8 fold path you do not have right understanding and right intention. The intention of the video is simply to point out the experience of enlightenment and plant a seed. Once people get a taste for it they will seek more, e.g. in a tradition, or they may develop the path themselves which is the foundation and the brings the right values. In contrast to you you, my intention is right and so is my understanding of Enlightenment.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
You clearly believe in strict tradition as the only path, but here we disagree. I do not say that Enlightenment is "easy" but that its "simple" -- because Enlightenment is simply our true nature -- no magic here. This statement I have backed up with Tsele Rinpoche's mention of Garab Dorje's "Three Words Striking the Vital Point." These three words "condense all the teachings of the Buddha to the quintessential meaning: recognize your essence." (The Bardo Guidebook)
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
And I can also give you the words of the Dalai Lama, which should be more than enough authority. The Dalai Lama explains that the mind of enlightenment also “occur at the ordinary level” and that all the “qualities of the mind are present within it naturally.” Like Garab Dorje the Dalai Lama also says that: “recognizing one's true nature is equivalent to becoming totally enlightened.”
True, having the seed does not make one Enlightened but I have never said so or that the path was easy.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
Of course for someone lost and very unenlightened, Enlightenment may be hard but if it was so extremely hard as you want it to be or not naturally present as stated above: then how is it possible to experience Enlightenment during trantra sex? You are aware that enlightenment can be experienced during trantra and sexual experience, right? Good, this is evidence that Enlightenment is simply our true nature as I have said so many times.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
Your wrong understanding comes from misunderstanding me saying that enlightenment is “easy” instead of simply our true nature, you also misunderstand that I say Enlightenment or keeping the state is easy. Just because the seed of enlightenment is there naturally it does not mean that it’s easy to be enlightened or keep the state. I say this clearly in the video. What I do say is that Enlightenment is "more simple" that what most people thing: meaning what it is - our true nature - is simple.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
Then my description (pointing out) of Enlightenment as Emptiness is also correct. In the video I use "Emptiness" to describe Enlightenment. Emptiness is the “mind of enlightenment,” the ground of being or primordial awareness as the “Great Perfection” or clear light. This is the non-conceptual state of pure consciousness can be described as thought-free wakefulness. This explanation of Emptiness is supported by the Mahayana tradition, the Dalai Lama, and several other Buddhist traditions.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
So, really there is nothing in the video that supports your false understanding -- and this is where you have wrong intention. Your belief that I am wrong is wrong and then you use your false view to attack me and this video -- as you have so many others on youtube. This angry crusade of yours is your wrong intention and there is nothing noble or enlightened about leaving a long trail of negative karma here and all over youtube. This is fundamentalism and belongs in religion, not Enlightenment.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
The reason that right understanding is first on the 8 fold path is that once you get this wrong it leads to wrong action. This is what has happened to you: you are blind. You have misunderstood my video and this has led you to wrong action. Also the fact that your activity page shows a long list of attacks against other videos in the exact same manner, using the same language to attack: is clear evidence of your wrong intention. Fundamentalism not at act of noble wisdom: it is bad karma.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
...and about tradition: the fundamental thing you do not understand about tradition is that Enlightenment as our true nature is there with or without tradition. You think a tradition creates Enlightenment but Enlightenment is already there as our true nature. Yes, a tradition may be a good tool for some or many but it is not the only path to something that exists independently of it: my finger points to the moon but do not think my finger IS the moon.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
@lightbehindgod judging from your vocabulary and spiritually lax philisophocal ideals I assume you either are renee or are one of his underlings. I suggest you remove your mouth from the teet of ignorance. enlightenment is not a can of beer. you dont use it and abuse it. listen well u easy going fool, becoming enlightened is the path of noble wisdom, it is not a temporary joyride for still sitting undisciplined rascals like yourself.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 A path of "noble wisdom"?? There is nothing Noble about the way you carry yourself and use enlightenment as religious fundamentalism. Listen to yourself: "confused eckart tolle student," "new age fool", "easy going fool do the dharma a favor and remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!" - you wrote the same on another video and your activity shows a long trail of attacks all over youtube - just as you have here. You are the attacker: you are creating karma.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
what makes your interpretation false is the lack of repentence and morals. can a murder become enlightened(kingdom of heaven) without first leaving his sinning ways(not following gods commandments/buddhist precepts)? anyone who reads this will intuitively realize the truth if his heart and mind are willing. knowledge is a hindrance, I recommend you stop your philosophy. you are becoming drunk with the samadhis of meditation, which is a roadblock to becoming a buddha.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 Enlightenment is simply our true nature. You are confusing spiritual maturity with religious fundamentalism and in your confusion you use arguments for spiritual maturity to enforce fundamentalism. The experience of Enlightenment may be hard for some people, but that does not mean it can only be taught based on one tradition, precept or path. Remember the Buddha gave 84.000 different teachings expressing the “Vital Point” and “quintessential meaning: recognize your essence."
LightBehindGod 8 months ago
...and I recommend that you stop attacking everyone and every video on youtube that you do not agree with: " remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!" Your angry crusade is religious fundamentalism and doing this crusade in the name of 'enlightenment' shows just how spiritually immature you are. Enlightenment is about you and not me. Also your path of negative karma here on this page and all over youtube is there for everyone to see and learn from: enlightenment gone wrong.
LightBehindGod 8 months ago
@MrChava685 Here you have actually contradicted yourself. You began your attack with the standard cliche that enlightenment cannot be described. However, now enlightenment can only be achieved by following commandments or precepts -- what is the difference between this and description? And is a tradition not a description of enlightenment as an interpretation thereoff?? Enlightenment is simply our true nature -- words, description, meditation, tradition -- are all tools: the finger that points.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
...when you talk about specific commandments or precepts, you are talking about a specific description of what enlightenment is. A description is a description as a path is a path -- but Enlightenment is Enlightenment -- and simply our true nature.
The point of this whole debate is that you began by attacking my description of Enlightenment with "enlightenment cannot be described" and instead you want to replace my description with your own 'correct' description -- this is fundamentalism.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
... he also said "dont give pearls to pigs, lest they trample them with thier feet, then turn to devour you". even still here I am giving you my pearls, so dont say I have no compassion. I tried to put you on the right path but your ego can only be removed by you.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 The first line that got Jesus in trouble and charged with blasphemy was: "Before Abraham was born: I am!" - John 8:58 And what is so revolutionary about this statement is that "I am" -- our spirit or essence -- was there not only before Abraham but before all religions and traditions. The same goes for Enlightenment: to recognize our essence or spirit is timeless and universal -- no religion or tradition has a patent no it -- and anyone making this claim is a fundamentalist.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
there you go picking and choosing from various disciplines. jesus said I am that I am. did you happen to read the rest of the new testament? doubtful. he had much more to teach than a simple two letter phrase. he also happened to teach quite a few precepts for his disciples to follow. rules for following the narrow path, not the wide path that easygoing fools like you so cherish...
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 Yes, I have read it and the path to God is through the Holy Spirit -- spirit in Greek means "mind or consciousness."
If the path is so narrow: why did the Buddha have 84.000 teachings and not just one? I will let the words of another 'easy going fool' speak to you: In the Bardo Guidebook Tsele Rinpoche mentions Garab Dorje's "Three Words Striking the Vital Point." These three words "condense all the teachings of the Buddha to the quintessential meaning: recognize your essence."
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
actually I was the one said "ignore the words and comprehend the message"... so I guess you believe im pretty enlightened. doesnt matter. I believe your message is "easy enlightenment". it only comes after adhering to the precepts!
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 Then you should know that words and traditions only point towards enlightenment, and if you are; you would know that Enlightenment is universal as our true nature: our pure being or essence. The Greeks wrote "Know Thy Self" on the Oracle and Jesus says "I AM" in the Bible. As said: to think that Enlightenment "only comes" through precepts or a specific tradition is fundamentalism as much as saying that God can only be found in the Bible or any other religion.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
...a seed planted is a seed planted. But the point was that with your fundamentalist interpretation of enlightenment you are on a crusade against everyone and everything that does not fit your narrow understanding of Enlightenment. The evidence of this is your activity page, which shows your trail of attacks where you call everyone an "easy going fool." Our true nature is not only enlightened but also compassion and Enlightenment is not: believe as me and do as I say "at once!" anger.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
@neardeathawakening no no no. you cannot pick and choose what you want from buddhism. you speak of reaching enlightenment and the void without preparing the body and mind through any sort of buddhist precepts whatsoever. how can one reach the other shore without the raft?!? impossible! your are not a pratykebuddha, but rather you are another confused eckart tolle student. your false knowledge and delusional ego prevent you from realizing your ignorance of the true path. new age fool.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 You are such a child: your activity page reveals your spiritual immaturity and the path of negative karma you leave behind you. You started by calling me an “easy going fool” and you wrote the same on another video Zen is Not Self Improvement: “I believe the speaker to be an easy going fool.” The teacher’s response was actually pretty enlightened: “ignore the words and comprehend the message.” The Buddha said: my finger points towards the moon but do not think my finger IS the moon.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
...the point is that in teaching we need to use words, not to describe but as Buddha's finger: as tools to point in the direction of enlightenment. Where you get lost in your unenlightened and spiritually immature state is the finger. You are looking at the finger (words/descriptions) and not what it is pointing towards (Enlightenment). And as in religion; there is not just one true path but many paths and traditions that leads to the same experience of Enlightenment. You are a fundamentalist.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
@neardeathawakening you say "its easier than most people think". "to keep it, to hold on to it". no my confused son, it is not easy and it cannot be grasped. enlightenment is a never ending path. what you believe to be enlightenment is but a false salvation you have conjured up in your own delusional mind. you are a mere philosopher and no respect is to be shown to you. you are confusing eager newcomers to the path and laying down a path of negative karma all around you. merit you do not have.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 You are the one spreading negative karma here and I am simply your mirror. Your mind is unclear and you misrepresent my words: I say "more simple" and not "it's easier." Enlightenment is actually "more simple" because its our true nature: what is more simple than that? But right, if people are as lost as you its not easy to find truth. Emptiness IS Enlightenment, however, I say "different ways, interpretations, tools and traditions" something you do not comprehend in your immaturity.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
...Emptiness is found in several Buddhist traditions and the video is a guide that points towards the direct experience of Emptiness, which is the experience of Enlightenment. Period. I say "what is difficult is to keep it, to hold on to it" and yes, because its difficult or you cannot keep it or hold on to it: enlightenment is a never ending path. We agree: but you cannot see the unity -- instead you misrepresent, attack and insult. These are your fruits and merits of your unenlightened state.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
@neardeathexperience I believe that your interpretation of gautamas discovery is false. I liken you more to an eckart tolle buddha. being enlightened is a much longer walk than simply discovering the time-being. quit believing that enlightment is something to grasp for yourself. and who said the dalai lama is my teacher? easy going fool do the dharma a favor and remove this ignorance inducing nonsense from youtube at once!
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 There you go: believe as me and do as I say "at once!" What a clear sign of spiritual immaturity and fundamentalism. Also your original charge is wrong, which shows you do not see clearly. True, enlightenment cannot be explained: it must be directly experienced. However, the video clearly separates itself from "conceptual investigations" as a guide to "show" and "point out," and that's why there is a guided meditation in it. You are the one that is ignorant AND arrogant here.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
@neardeathawakening No respect is to be shown the philosophers nor the easy going rascals who pervert others with thier ignorance. If u had read a bit of Gautama and Dogens works you would be closer to the truth of Dharma. Remember you are but a branch of the buddha vine.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 Have you ever seen the Dalai Lama or anyone more enlightened than yourself speak as disrespectfully as you? No? What you mention is the way of the Budhisattva to reveal values to be abandoned, but that only works for you if you know what is true and what is not. The video clearly says its a guide and that there are other ways and interpretations. Your crusade is clear evidence of your intention: an attack on other interpretations which is spiritual immaturity (fundamentalism).
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
the fact that you think enlightenment can be described with words is a testament to your ignorance. easy going fool.
MrChava685 8 months ago
@MrChava685 The video is a guide using different words not to describe but point in the direction of the experience of enlightenment. You are the arrogant and unenlightened fool who knows nothing about the compassion of the true state - or you would not have spoken as disrespectfully as you did.
Also saw your crusade against many other videos on your activity page: bad religion = bad karma, my friend. The spiritual immaturity of fundamentalism is present in all religions and all spirituality.
NearDeathAwakening 8 months ago
I am way too crazy for this. I will try but it's going to take an enormous armament to hold all my thoughts back..
kellym41284 9 months ago
how can you claim to be enlightened and yet still believe in the christian god or any religion at all for that matter. Are you not aware of the falsehoods of the bible?
ornivb 10 months ago
@ornivb All religions have aspects of truth in them - seeing this and making that link between all religions is considerably more enlightened than an all out attack on Christianity or religion as a whole. What you seem to suggest is much closer to fundamentalism than enlightenment as an all out rejection of religion is extremism and can be just as fanatic as religious fundamentalism.
NearDeathAwakening 10 months ago
@NearDeathAwakening I agree with you on morals in those texts but is there much else? I mistakenly misinterpreted you as a christian and was obviously not aware enough at the time to see my mistake. But is still brings the question: How can you trust people to make the choice about what is truth in a holy text and what is not?
ornivb 10 months ago
@ornivb I think you can find God or your true nature through all religions and spiritual traditions. How can you trust people? That's up to each person themselves and depends on their level of spiritual maturity. However, I agree that these religion teach fundamentalism can claim to be the only truth does not help this matter.
NearDeathAwakening 10 months ago
Good job Rene. Keep up the good work you are doing.
What the world needs now is Love sweet love instead of hatred and intolerance spread by the fanatical Christians, Muslims and Hindus.
I'd love to see the religious fundamentalists here post their own videos instead of hiding behind their nicknames.
mohanaturo 11 months ago
sorry....20 seconds too long. therefor i call bullshit on this whole thing. kidding ;)
avedic 11 months ago
A very clear and concise presentation of the essential truth. Thank you Rene; I enjoyed that.
SausageDoc 1 year ago
When you meditate, you open your mind to Satan.
RepentanceIsKey 1 year ago
@RepentanceIsKey No, meditation helps you overcome 'Satan' by find the Kingdom and Spirit of God within as the Bible tells us to. Jesus spent 40 days in the desert and returned in the "power of spirit," and Saints like John on the Cross meditated - so this is nothing new or strange to Christianity.
NearDeathAwakening 1 year ago
@NearDeathAwakening I got a whole page long email from her about how astral projection is going to allow the devil to possess me or some crazy BS. She is obviously a brainwashed wackjob.
MrMaryJanes 1 year ago
@RepentanceIsKey christianity, the bible are bullshit. stop spreading bullshit. know what you are talking about.
kalalaud 1 year ago
"I will not let me fill this page with your interpretation" is what you answered to me for why you deleted my comment on there being no teacher/no seeker? that is interesting .... doesn't seem to be very open minded nor compassionate........
SuperWonderwoman22 2 years ago
Are you awake here? Even though I say in the video that there are many different paths, still You began with saying my video is: "not the full and complete experience of enlightenment which of course is.."
Your statement is what is not every open minded nor compassionate. So, should I let you fill up this whole page with your ego and the narrow mindedness that does not accept more than one way to explain enlightenment? Fundamentalism and Enlightenment do not mix.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
ahh you removed my comment on there being no teacher
and no seeker...........
SuperWonderwoman22 2 years ago
Yes, because you made your point already: No teacher and no seeker for you means No thing. However, as explained in Mahayana Nothingness or 'no teacher, no seeker' does not mean a nihilistic nothingness but your true nature which, yes, is not 'a thing' as an ego but still is a state of being. Theradava and some Indian philosophies see 'no thing' as nihilistic 'non-being' but this is wrong according to Mahayana. That's where we are and I will not let you fill this page with your interpretation.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
also thank 'you' for the video - truly beautiful!
SuperWonderwoman22 2 years ago
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LightBehindGod 2 years ago
yes. but these are experiences he is talking of... very different from BEING LIBERATED... this is practice yes but not the full and complete experience of enlightenment which of course is not the right word as there is NO PERSON to BE ENLIGHTENED... but this is helpful along the way..... in the experience of enlightenment there is no person there to feel enlightened.... this makes sense if you feel in to it. Now stay with that felt sense ......
SuperWonderwoman22 2 years ago
Maybe you missed that I said in the video that there are different paths? I have studied different path and your understanding of Enlightenment seems to rest on the No Thing philosophy of Theravada Buddhism. However, this is only one line in Buddhism and e.g. in Mahayana, Emptiness (=Enlightenment) is not empty but FULL of our true state of being (Joy, Love, etc.) The state of Emptiness is a NO ego but not a Nihilistic No BEING as Enlightenment is the essence of your being: your true nature.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
The Dalai Lama on the Highest Yoga Tantra:
"According to the Theravada school of thought, when a person reaches Nirvana then there is no more person, he completely disappears, but according to the higher school of thought the person still remains, the being itself still remains. "
But besides that: Being Liberated is also not a permanent state that you disappear into - it is a gradual process of purifying the mind and one's actions, which starts with a direct experience of Enlightenment.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
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Hi my friend, you have quite a pure intention ~ alot of sincerity.
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I agree that taking up the 'witness-position' is very good, and is an expression of the enlightened point of view.
However I would say E goes also further than that.
You can experience that you are the all-pervading effulgence that fills the entire universe, of your experience.
To see that everything happens within the vast space of your awareness - that you fill All.
The witness not just as a point but as all space.
Facetsofbeing 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment but there is nothing wrong with the video, as it is simply just one way to explain enlightenment.
Emptiness is the mind of enlightenment and this is the state of pure consciousness, which can be described as thought-free wakefulness. This explanation of Emptiness is supported by the Mahayana tradition and the Dalai Lama, and in the video I use Emptiness, Stillness, the space between thoughts, etc. to describe this state.
Emptiness is the ALL and nothing is missing.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
I'm confused. I'm not trying to sound like I'm mocking any of these ideas, but I'm honestly confused. The idea of being "free" from my thoughts sounds like death. Like it was before I was born, when I guess I didn't exist as an individual. Why would you want to be one with everything if you lose yourself in the process? It makes no sense to me. I've had an experience where I was unable to think, and I experienced a time loop, and I felt infused with everything while being aware of it. Horrible.
iliekbigbuttz 2 years ago
"Free" here does not mean nothingness. Freedom from your thoughts means non-attachment to your thoughts. Non-attachment also does not mean no thoughts just that you are observing your thoughts rather than being controlled by your thoughts.
What you loose in the process is your ego but once you move beyond that you will experience your true self, so you don't loose yourself you gain or win your true self. First time this may be scary but once you get used to it, your life becomes enlightened.
NearDeathAwakening 2 years ago
@NearDeathAwakening Thank you.. I understand you, and if enlightenment is what you say it is, I've already become enlightened, although it seems to have been a gradual process.. I literally felt like I was in this pure state of being.. But I was literally every thought I made.. My thoughts and body were one, if that makes sense, and even words became actions. As if even though I was standing still, I was still in motion, and my thoughts were just a frame of my "movie"..
iliekbigbuttz 1 year ago
Thank you very much, I really liked the video and will certainly be linking others too it! So many times I see meditation as something that is presented as so complicated and it's not! It's a natural thing anyone can do. It took me so long to figure that out, and since then my meditation has been wonderful. Thank you again for your very accurate description!
edusty2010 2 years ago
Ah, there we go. =)
thedarkener 2 years ago
I rather like the progression idea, I'll give it a try for a while
Motown025 2 years ago
excellent!
mrverde8080 2 years ago
very helpful. thank you
billpstr 2 years ago
Great video. Best explaination of how to quiet the mind I have seen. Very difficult to achieve, but if you can do it, you can achieve some measure of peace of mind...
antnantn 3 years ago
You provide a clear depiction of meditation. I have found that enlightenment is truly, at it's core, a non linear experience. The space between that you mention is an extra dimensionsal timeless consciousness. Though it cannot be labelled Love is God and it is in essence all that is truly authentic. Blissful feelings are the closest link we have to Love consciousness. As you point out it is non cognitive for the moment we think about what we are doing it is lost.
SonOfDonk 3 years ago
wayne dyer explains it in his book getting in the gap..
useful video..
Thank u :)
moodyfoodie 3 years ago
Thank you, Rene, for your advice on how to meditate, it is very clear. I also appreciate you explanation of enlightenment. I had been getting frustrated with what seemed to me to be complicated or vague notions. Blessings
jackiegirl19 3 years ago
You are very welcome. I am happy to have passed something on and I wish you all the best on your path.
Blessings,
Rene
NearDeathAwakening 3 years ago
Hi, I've been doing 'guided imagery' and deep relaxation techniques in my meditations, but I've read that repeating a mantra over and over again is a better way to open the mind. What techniues do you recommend for getting my mind into that state of 'no thought'? Ultimately, I'd like to do some type of transcendental meditation, but I'm just starting out and quite uneducated in this whole area in general. Thanks
lovejazz1211 3 years ago
I think there are many paths, but personally I have used meditation where you focus on your breathing as I explain in the video. Focusing on your breathing takes you from your mind/thinking into the body and thus calms the mind. For me, its a very simple and effective technique.
NearDeathAwakening 3 years ago