Actually, my pro life stance is just the opposite of misogynistic.
Over hundreds of thousands of young girls are killed each year, and I wanto to put a stop to it. I believe that their rights are being violated. I don't see how you could possibly view that as misogynistic.
When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
In the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished.
I respect you so much for saying all this. I never thought the internet would be such a "pro-life" place, and I'm glad to find someone who is actually giving pro-choice arguments.
@RaineAtMidnight says: I never thought the internet would be such a "pro-life" place,
~~~~~~~~~~ Well, you have to remember that this is You Tube... NOT the place where the majority of people are older & more educated ( even though many proclaim having Phd's).
@rmas32 says: Why are fat, ugly, disgusting men who have never seen a live naked woman so annoying?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why are the words of fat, ugly, disgusting men, who have never seen a live naked woman, so annoying to people who are lacking in the intelligence to address his comments?
You should view an unborn child as a human being. If the woman was an adult she would accept the consequences of her actions and her responsibilities. The creator loves the baby who cannot speak for itself so 3rd parties intervene.
If I view woman as a piece of meat than you would have to assume that we are only trying to save male babies. A woman has rights regarding her own body- but does not have the right to kill another person.
@ENDRENOABORTION Yep. We are all hypocrites. Whether it's the pro-choice who support abortion and not the death penalty, or the pro-life who support the death penalty and eat meat.
@Sueezee1 thrill you more like, you keep it bringing it up, chances are parents who get pregant and keep the child love the child planned are not,it happens blind to the facts are not as you are
@loversandpeacekeeper says: chances are parents who get pregant and keep the child love the child
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHANCES>????? Youre free to have as many babies as YOU like and take a damned chance with their welfare, but dont expect smart women to follow your lead. Smart women take chances at the craps tables NOT on a child life!!
@Sueezee1 please tell me what chances have i taken, i "really" want to hear? smart woman in the 1st place,just to let you know, have great sex without the out come of being pregant and it being unwanted, the main number of people who - the 98 per cent who get them are not these smart woman. by your history on yt you are not that smart either, truely sorry about that (still laughing at you hysterically)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hahahahahahaha...god i love dumb people....where in the hell did I say you took a chance??/ Show me darling..i want to see this...hahahahah!! leran to comprehend read and then get back with me, LMAO
@Sueezee1 mine do to! its illegal here!! woop!! what multiple names? my old 2 years out of service account because i was to busy to have them accounts?? wow, burn, got me there, nots,"laughs insainly", god your good entertainment :)
@georgelopezblows said: "Whether it's the pro-choice who support abortion and not the death penalty, or the pro-life who support the death penalty and eat meat."
The death penalty. When a person commits murder, they automatically forefeit their right to freedom. If somebody killed a member of your family, would you support the death penalty or would you let them server life in prison?
@Grimli Just because God gives you free will doesn't mean you don't have to follow his commandments. I don't understand how a sane and rational human being, could think that it's okay to kill a human fetus. That's disgusting, and cruel. Grimli, you're wrong in supporting free choice. If you're in favor of doing something God doesn't support, you are against God. It would be wise of you to change your ways. Just some friendly advice. :D
Dont use rape for your arguments, less then one percent of all the abortions performed in this country are for rape.
Most are for conveniance, I know a satanist who has had two second trimester abortions because that was her sacrifice, not all women are raped, just sick
@mscheesymac "Dont use rape for your arguments, less then one percent of all the abortions performed in this country are for rape. Most are for conveniance, I know a satanist who has had two second trimester abortions because that was her sacrifice"
Don't use rape! That's not a good reason for an abortion! Let's use Satanic sacrifice instead! Because that's what most abortions are for! Yeah..hahahaha
@Sueezee1 You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've come across on youtube, you keep spouting propaganda when yourside spews nothing but lies, propaganda and emotional oriented drivel to make your points. Actually I do know a girl that did that, She's my husbands ex-girlfriend and she lives in Lexington. When you actually have something intelligent to say besides your usual elementary school comebacks, then maybe I'll care what you have to say. Till then keep watching spongebob
@mscheesymac Thank God Sueezee1's parents weren't like him. He wouldn't be existing right now. Wait...isn't that a bad thing they aren't like him? Lol.
Hey now, I'm all for telling Sueezee to shut up in as many ways as possible, because yes she is indeed an ignorant douche, but let's leave Spongebob out of it ok? HAHA
@xSamWaynex says: I'm all for telling Sueezee to shut up
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre also for me having unwanted babies to make you happy..I wont do that either...LOLOL. its a shame you have NOTHING valid to offer..LMAO!!
Sueezee, last time I will respond to you as well. All you do is spew rhetoric, and then try your best to insult people, or otherwise enrage them. I have brought to you on several occasions, logical, and very intelligent debates, to which you just do what all liberal douchebags do, and that is continue to spew rhetoric, and try to piss people off. You're not going to piss me off, and I will just ignore you from now on. What you think doesn't bother me because you are a mindless douche.
~~~~~~~~ It damned sure better be!! It must be embarrassing to be chewed up & spit on on a subject you think you know about. Long live legal abortion on human beings which is illegal, right x? LOLOL
@sallylongpants says: Welfare is up because women who should not have children are having children. The kids are neglected and raised in poverty. They become young criminals, and eventually become adult criminals.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its nice to see at least one person with a brain that uses it! Good job
Ok for one, you ASSUME that there would be more welfare and crime, however since the legalization of abortion the crime rate has gone up 81%. So IF, abortion had anything to do with welfare or the crime rate, then that would mean both should've went DOWN, not up since 1973. According to the NCVS conducted by the FBI the opposite has taken place. Crime is up, and the welfare rate is also up.
@xSamWaynex "Ok for one, you ASSUME that there would be more welfare and crime, however since the legalization of abortion the crime rate has gone up 81%." Duhh, abortion has not affected the growth rate, the world's population has been increasing at an alarming rate. Obviously women who live in poverty, and choose not to have kids, would need help supporting kids if she were forced to have them. Why do you want millions more people to need welfare? Are your taxes not high enough? Try adopting.
angry, its legal - so was slavery, execution, the list goes on. never meant or means its right, but who the fuck cares when its selfish people who preach.
So since God is in this, God views abortion is murder. Women are more than what you say and I'm pro-life. Women are human beings, not a piece of meat of baby factory. If it is some sort of incest or rape put it up for adoption, and rape...he doesn't know he made a child he has no rights.
Being anti-abortion is not telling women they cannot have control over their bodies. Think about it. If a woman has control over her body, then it would be legal for her to sell her body for money.
Men are not trying to control a womans body just like women are not trying to control a mans body. A fetus is a life depending on its mother while inside the womb. A baby is a life depending on its mother/father while outside the womb.
"LIFE IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHILE YOU ARE MAKING OTHER PLANS
@leiapeison says: check out the national network of abortion funds. they hel raise money for low income women to obtain abortion care in the united states
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre so right!! And, the number of abortion funding organizations overseas expands everday. The countries where abortion is illegal is a joke because these orgs even pay for women to be transported ( plus the procedure) to countries where it is legal. There are some damned smart and caring people out there!
@Sueezee1 have you thought of starting an abortion fund where you live? you can contact Women on Web on how to get one started for women in the third world. they can help you start an abortion hotline. we all need to work together. we can get this done
@leiapeison says: starting an abortion fund where you live? get one started for women third world
~~~~~ No, but I have donated to one ( the only one) in my immediate area. As I understand it, they need more money/donators to keep active, than volunteers.I would prefer statrting one for 3rd world countires and thats something to think about. They are so much more hard pressed than we (US) are. ..i feel so sorry for them. By the way, keep spreading the word..one single donation matters.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre god damned right I am ! Nothing pleases me more than to cause emotional turmoil to lying, decieving, uneducated probirthers. I love to ruffle your feathers for my own amusement & what I like best is knowing I win the debate. Abortion is legal. Now, ya got anything intelligent to say? I didnt think so! lol
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nope, sorry dumbass....thats why we could OWN slaves and we OWN our abort embryos & can abort them. I know its difficult for uneducated people to comprehend, so just forget it and keep being stupid. Prochoice thanks you..
@ihuggedyourmum says: when black peole got there rights therefore the un born will do too some day! :
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, Soo you equate black people with an unknown entity that has the conciousness level of a damned earthworm???? Youre a racist AND ignorant.. Now, prove embryos will be able to gain personhood and have rights...lolol, eagerly awaiting your rediculous response...lolol
What about a baby in the womb? it is a human being. It is NOT part of a womans body it kicks and its heart pumps and it is alive. Also its not a great idea to tell people to shut up.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ PROBIRTH LIAR> If it were a human being abortion would be illegal. Do you LIE because prochoice took all the truths to make abortion legal & thats all you have to work with?
I lOVE this common, childish, prolife word use faux pas. If youre talking about a fetus, Why do you have to announce that its in the womb ?? i KNOW why...its because you KNOW a fetus isnt a baby, so to distinguish what your refering to , you HAVE to say" in the womb". You all do very well in making yourselves look totally ignorant!! next time just try "fetus" and you wont look so foolish!
Quick question since when is a human, not a human being? The fetus is human, we agree on that but you say it isn't a human being until it is born. Well, the very definition of "human" would disagree with you. You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING." So they are synonymous, therefore the human fetus is a human being by definition.
@SamWayne83 says:s ince when is a human, not a human being?the very definition of "human" would disagree with you
~~~~~~~~~~~~` Since this this countries beginning!! "Human" is ONLY the catagory of our species, it means nothing else. AND , when talking legal defintions you have to look in a LEGAL dictionary . Human being is ONLY a legal term that denotes a person w ith rights. Fetuses dont have them, the born do. Take some pride in the things you say. Learn FIRST.
Let's take note from what you said here ok? In the beginning of our country slaves were not considered human beings. They had no rights at all, and had only limited protection from harm legally. So do you think that slavery was ok because it was legal? Do you think the law was right when they said that slaves weren't human beings? Or is it possible that the law is just as wrong now as it was then?
So slavery in your mind would still be ok, if the 13th and 14th amendments hadn't stopped it and it was still legal? You have no morals at all do you? Not even "common morality" which is the morality that is shared by most of Americans, as well as people all around the world. You also avoided the concept that the law had already given legal status to the fetus in the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son. This could be used as an example for later cases.
@SamWayne83 says: So slavery in your mind would still be ok, if the 13th and 14th amendments hadn't stopped it and it was still legal?
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learn to read, dumbass.....I said NO, not to ME, but it was, is, and would be fine with millions of people,...so it is ok or not??LOLOL. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND YOU HAVE NEITHER
You never said "not to me" in any of your posts. You simply replied that it was legal, and therefore fine, because they weren't considered human beings by the laws. It is nice to know that you think slavery is wrong though. Does this include slavery of all people?
@SamWayne83 says: because they weren't considered human beings by the laws. It is nice to know that you think slavery is wrong though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHY????? just becuase YOU do??? i think if you want to be that egotistical, you need to get more educated. Do you really expect anyone to follow YOUR crazy ideas?
@SamWayne83 Hey don't worry about what Sueezee1 has to say. She thinks she knows everything. But doesn't even realize how ignorant she really is. She's not a human being.
@SamWayne83 says: ou have no morals at all do you?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to whose moral code??? Everyone has different morals , so, whose are we going by to judge mine??? Ignorance is blissful, isnt it sam?:LOL
So there is no common moral code that we all live by? That means that murder is subjective, rape is subjective, pedophilia is subjective, slavery is subjective, NOTHING is inherently immoral. Then why are these things illegal? These things were made illegal a long time ago, because they are found to be immoral by the majority. There is indeed a common moral code, that the majority of people live by. You cannot admit this and that's fine, just know that you are, and always will be wrong.
@SamWayne83 says: So there is no common moral code that we all live by? That means that murder is subjective,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahaha no you god damned dumbass....murde r is nOT subjective. The idea of it being right or wrong IS.. BYE, your not smart enough to talk to me...
@SamWayne83 says: You also avoided the concept that the law had already given legal status to the fetus
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You avoided MY response as to why is has NONE... hahahaha, if you were right, moron, abortion wold be illegal....I know you hate that I win, but get used to it. God bless the poor prolifers.
I didn't ignore any of your responses at all, but you sure enough did ignore mine. In the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son, the unborn was given legal status. Therefore the unborn have already been given legal status in a court of law. No debate necessary there, that is a fact. However since abortion was legal before this case, the courts can decide which takes presidence. This still doesn't dispute in anyway what I said that the unborn have already been given legal status.
@SamWayne83 says: In the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son, the unborn was given legal status.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah NO IT WAS NOT!! That law has NOTHING to do w ith fetuses and NOTHING to do with rights. read the Act that charges people with murder of a fetus...NOWHERE is it given rights, as a matter of fact, its worded to make sure they have none. get smarter d sam..lol
@SamWayne83 says: the unborn was given legal status.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOl, ok, show us where, in the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, that it says fetuses have rights. Eagerly awaiting( and waiting, & waiting) your FACTUAL reply. And, dont run away pretending you wernt asked this question.
@SamWayne83 says: So do you think that slavery was ok because it was legal? Do you think the law was right when they said that slaves weren't human beings
~~~~~~~~~~~~ No. I would also think abortion was "ok" if it wasnt legal. Yes, the law is right when it says they wernt human beings. So, what are you trying to get across?
@SamWayne83 says: Or is it possible that the law is just as wrong now as it was then?
~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong to who, Sam? YOU or me??? Or, Mr Jones down the street? The butcher? Baker? Candlestick maker? WHOSE idea of right or wrong do we go by? Millions of people thought slavery was wonderful & right, & some still do... so, your theory means nothing.
@SamWayne83 says: human fetus is a human being by definition.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ If that were true, abortion would be illegal because its illegal to kill human beings at will. AND, you cant kill humans....how in the hell would you kill the species we are??? Impossible!
Black's Law Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals , also specifically found as a meaning of the word "person" ... LEARN
You can't kill humans? We are impervious to weapons of any kind, as well as diseases, and old age? That is news to me, so thank you for sharing HAHAHAHA. I would like to bring up a legal case for you. Scott Peterson killed his wife and unborn son, that's right UNBORN! He was charged with double homicide. Therefore the law gave the unborn child legal status as a human being. If they had not then he would've only been charged with the murder of the mother.
@SamWayne83 says: Therefore the law gave the unborn child legal status as a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~ WRONG.. read the U V V Act. NOWHERE will you find the wording that denotes a fetus has rights of any kind. It has NO "legal status". if it did, abortion wold be illegal. LEARN
Therefore the law has already given the unborn legal status, but they choose when this legal status is accepted. It is ok for the mother to eliminate the life of the unborn, and this is not considered murder. However if anyone else does it then it is. This is hypocrisy, and insanity. It should be wrong for anyone to kill the unborn.
@SamWayne83 says: However if anyone else does it then it is. This is hypocrisy, a
~~~~~~~~ Thats ONLY because dumdbass Bush Jr decided to call it murder. What do you expect? The theory behind that is about the womans right to HER fetuses fate was taken from her. We assume the woman is going to give birth to her child unless SHE decides differently. Its no one else decision.The murder charge is there for the fetus who COULD have been born, but now cant.
@SamWayne83 says: It is ok for the mother to eliminate the life of the unborn, and this is not considered murder. However if anyone else does it then it is.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its called a WOMANS reproductive freedom...Not ANYONES reproductive freedom. Only she gets to decide her fetuses fate,.
@SamWayne83 Many things that happen are wrong, like child abuse, neglect, molestation... If a woman CAN NOT care for an infant, than she shouldn't have to have one. The murdered pregnant woman you speak of was probably going to keep her kid. A woman who terminates a pregnancy doesn't want a kid. We must consider the rights of a child--to a loving caring home, a mother who will care for it. If these necessities are not available, what is the sense of producing the person?
Here is what is wrong with your statement it doesn't matter if she wanted the child, what matters is that the unborn was given legal status in this case. Scott Peterson was charged with double homicide. He killed his wife and unborn child. It would've been the same even if she had intended to obtain a late term abortion. He would've still been charged with double homicide. Now, as far as a "loving caring home" there is always adoption.
@SamWayne83 says: what matters is that the unborn was given legal status in this case.
~~~~~~~~~~ God damn, you dont know SHIT about this subject, do you?? NOWHERE in the Unborn Victim of Violence Act is it worded in a way that gives a fetus ANY legal status. It is NEVER called a human being or person which is the ONLY thing that would give it "legal" rights. Too bad you dont know the semantics or the law..because thats ALL this is about. Poor sammy! Take alittle pride in yourself!!!
@SamWayne83 What does that have to do with whether abortions should be kept safe and legal for millions of women? So in one case, in which I'm willing to bet the woman had every intention of giving birth, her murderer was charged w/ double homicide. So..?
And late term abortions aren't legal, not comparable to early term abortions. And adoption isn't an alternative to being pregnant or giving birth, it's an alternative to raising the child. Not everyone believes in adoption, or has the option.
What do you mean what does that have to do with abortion? The fact that abortion happens means that several human beings lives are being taken. Therefore if the unborn was granted legal status in one case it would be monumental toward the rights of the unborn in later cases. Also adoption is ALWAYS an option. No one, is ever refused the option of adoption. Babies, are adopted more often than any other age group.
@xSamWaynex "The fact that abortion happens means several human beings lives are being taken." Why are you crying over human potential? An unconscious, developing fetus does not have any concerns, any opinions, and doesn't make decisions. It won't miss not being born. it doesn't see the future. Ignorant to believe a woman isn't aware of her own circumstances, and shouldn't be able to make responsible choices for her and her family. Irrational to think a fetus has more rights than a grown woman
I'm not crying over human potential, that is what you label it as to make it seem ok. This isn't "human potential" these are human beings from the moment of conception. They are new unique individuals. The fact that you try and use the term "human potential" is outrageous. Also they are both human beings, the fact that you use the "grown woman" argument shows that you truly disrespect life in general. The fetus shouldn't have MORE rights, it should have the SAME AMOUNT.
@xSamWaynex How is my point that "grown women" should have more rights to make decisions than fetuses, who don't have the ability to choose anything either way, disrepectful to life in general? If a "grown woman" can't care for a baby, can't give it what it needs to survive and thrive, why should she be forced to produce a baby against her will? Accidentally becoming pregnant is not a good reason for many to mindlessly pop out kids they can't take care of.
@xSamWaynex ..Irrational to think a fetus should have more rights than a grown woman, who assesses her conditions, considers her options, makes the choice she feels is best. When millions of kids are in foster care, it doesn't make sense to fight for millions more unwanted kids be simply be born, to people who CAN"T/WON'T care for them. How sad. Consider the outcome of what you stand for. Forcing women to give birth against their will is no worse than forcing women to abort against their will.
Late term abortions are illegal in most cases, however they still happen, and really had nothing to do with anything I had said previously, so this is all I will say on the subject. Also no adoption isn't an "alternative" to being pregnant or giving birth, but it is an option, where as abortion in almost all cases should not be. Especially in cases of "convenience."
@SamWayne83 says: You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Human is a scientific term, and human being is a legal one. Do you know how many specialized dictionaries there are out there? Knowledge is power, sam!
No I don't know the exact number of specialized dictionaries, but I'm sure there are many. The term human being is NOT a legal term either. Both Human and Human Being are SCIENTIFIC terms. Both are also interchangeable. Nice try though
@SamWayne83 says: Both Human and Human Being are SCIENTIFIC terms.
~~~~~~~~~~ LOLOL, Black's LAW Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals , also specifically found as a meaning of the word "person". Take some pride in yourself, sam, and the things you say, or look foolish. Dont you know if you were right, abortion wold be illegal? Geeez.
The word human as well as human being are both scientific terms. The fact that the law chose one over the other doesn't mean that these two words aren't still scientific terms.
@SamWayne83 says: Quick question since when is a human, not a human being?
~~~~~~~~~~ Since the 1700's when we decided that a "being" is used to conceptualizing subjective aspects fundamental to the SELF,as in "a being," or " human being" —it refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character. Fetuses dont have that.The Constitution was written 1787,& the word " human being AND person" has held the same meaning since and that dosent include fetuses.
You do know that when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right? You also know that when the constitution was drafted slavery was legal, and quite abundant all over the US. Slaves weren't considered people at this time. However something changed, what was it...........oh yes an amendment to the CONSTITUTION! The "constitution" has indeed changed the meaning of the word human being and person.
@SamWayne83 says: You do know that when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right?
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..lol, wrong AGAIN!! At the time the Constitution was adopted, abortions before "quickening" was openly advertised and commonly performed.. Forget it sammy, you cant win.
@SamWayne83 says: Slaves weren't considered people at this time
~~~~~~~~~ They WERNT people OR human beings...no one is who dosent have rights. ...learn the law sweetie..hahahahahahah. youre boring the hell outta me. I think its time to leave you with your addiction to typing...... nothing...hahahah!!
@SamWayne83 says: an amendment to the CONSTITUTION! The "constitution" has indeed changed the meaning of the word human being and person.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh ya, I forgot about THAT...thats why abortion is illegal now....hahahahahahahahahahahah. God, i love dumbasses. They are more fun than a circus!!
@SamWayne83 says:when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right?
~~~~~~~~ Excuse me?? Abortion was legal for the pilgrims, before quickening!! Ddi you know it was legal and PUBLICALLY advertized in the 1800's?? Gezzzzz sam, please research before speaking.
Yes in the 1800's it was heavily advertised. But at the drafting of the constitution abortion was illegal as I said before in almost all cases. Pilgrims were before the drafting of the constitution if I have my history correct. So how is what you said in anyway relevant? And how exactly does it rebut what I have said in anyway?
@SamWayne83 But at the drafting of the constitution abortion was illegal
~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit....abortion was NOT a crime and was quite common in the U.S. during the 1700s and the Constitution was written/drafted in 1787. Stop your lying OR get educated. As always youre looking foolish
Jesus H. Christ you are an idiot. It took an amendment to make "slaves" qualify as HUMAN BEINGS!! The amendment in question was the 13th. And no the word "person" has changed with the 13th as well, as slaves were not people but property before this time. Pretty simple if you think about it.
@SamWayne83 says: slaves were not people but property before this time.
~~~~~~~~~ They also wernt human beings because it was ILLEGAL to own human beings. Thats why women OWN their fetuses and do what they want with them...they are not human beings...lol
@SamWayne83 says: he very definition of "human" would disagree with you. You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You dont look up the legal term, and human being is ONLY a legal term, in a regular dictionary. You use a legal dictionary and that defintion IS:
Black's Law Dictionary defines "person" as: An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals
Human being is only a legal term? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . The term human being is also a scientific term, not just a legal one, and is also a phrase used commonly enough to be included in a standard webster's dictionary, which doesn't HAVE to be a "legal term" to be included. You choose the legal definition because it best fits what you think to be a human being. Which is fine, that's what I am doing myself.
@SamWayne83 says: The term human being is also a scientific term,
~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry, dumbsammy... human is a scientific term...its our species. human being is ONLY a legal term when debating abortion which is a LEGAL action. Look at the LEGAL defintion:
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Black's Law Dictionary defines " human being as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals . BUT, dont believe it...because we want you ignorant. (smile)
@SamWayne83 says: and is also a phrase used commonly enough to be included in a standard webster's dictionary
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Lawyers dont use "Websters"(LMAO) to denote legal defintions, and surgeons dont use it for medical terms...if they did, an "operation" could be a bomber plane attack.LOL. You need to kick your parents asses for not teaching you better. By the way, let me take a minute to thank MINE! TY mom & dad!!
@SamWayne83says: You choose the legal definition because it best fits what you think to be a human being.Which is fine, that's what I am doing myself.
~~~~~~~~~~~ I am NOT picking & choosing like YOU are. I dont have to do that because I know my stuff & you DONT. A human being is recognized by law as such, not because he is human, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The human being is the LEGAL subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attributed.
So Scott Petersons unborn son was a human being according to the legal definition. He wouldn't have been charged with double homicide, had this not been true. So as I said before in one case the unborn have been confirmed as human beings. You CLAIM to know your stuff, but really you are just a moron who spouts off pro-abortion rhetoric over and over again even after being proven wrong.
@SamWayne83 says: So Scott Petersons unborn son was a human being according to the legal definition.He wouldn't have been charged with double homicide, had this not been true.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahha, all you have to do is show me where, in the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, it calls a fetus a person or a human being, the term that give them rights NOT to be l killed, and then you will be right.. LOLOLOL..good luck in that sweeite.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Being, a legal defintion, is used for conceptualizing subjective aspects fundamental to the self,as in "a being," or " human being" —it refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A human being is a biosocial being and represents the highest level of development of all living organisms on earth, the subject of labour, of the social forms of life, communication and consciousness. Thats NOT a fetus.
While the fetus doesn't talk, neither does a new born baby. If you go by the scientific definition for sentience then guess what, a new born baby isn't sentient either, because it isn't "self aware" it only acts on instinct. It cries to get what it wants, which is instinctual. It will try to suckle when put up against someones chest, especially women. It isn't entirely aware of anything, although it shows consciousness, it isn't exactly "sentient" from a scientific stand point.
@SamWayne83 says: It will try to suckle when put up against someones chest, especially women
~~~~~~~~~~~ Especially women?? Are you saying a new baby knows the difference in a women and a carrot? It wold attempt to nurser from a carrot as quickly as a woman.
Did I say this? No, this is how you interpreted what I said. When a new born is laid against someones chest, especially those with soft chests, like women who happen to have breasts, the child will try to suckle. It will also suckle on a pacifier, or pretty much anything else you could think of. It is natural instinct. Which is pretty much what I said to begin with.
@SamWayne83 Since a fetus is a developing baby, it's not comparable to a fully formed, born individual. Once born, a baby needs to be cared for and provided for. If the pregnancy is terminated, the mother makes the conscious decision to NOT give birth, to NOT have a baby. What makes you think this is anything but a very personal choice? Why should you have any control or say whatsoever over millions of womens uteruses or personal life choices? You don't even know their circumstances, don't judge
Once again, I am not asking for control over anything, nor am I judging anyone. I am simply going by the evidence provided. You speak of "personal life choice" but think it is completely acceptable to negate the "personal life choice" of the unborn, and yes they are ALIVE, and therefore should have a choice. The fact of the matter is the pro-"choice" movement isn't about "choice" at all. It is about doing what you want with no fear of responsibility or repercussion.
@xSamWaynex "You speak of "personal life choice" but think it is completely acceptable to negate the "personal life choice" of the unborn, and yes they are ALIVE, and therefore should have a choice." How do you suppose we shoud ask the unborn for their opinion? Hahaha, completely irrational.
You say you're not judging, then criticize people you know nothing about. You don't know why these women decide to abort. Maybe they don't need "repercussion" or punishment for getting preg or raped....
@xSamWaynex ...You seem to hold a lot of disrepect for women. Nobody likes abortions, no one wants to get one! Not having the ability or resources to care for a child is not "irresponsible," or selfish; it's the truth for some people, even if it doesn't apply to you. People struggling to survive, in abusive relationships, homeless or jobless or injured or disabled, may not be in a good enough position to give birth. People need support, not criticism and control!
Sorry I didn't address this in my first response, but I actually have the utmost respect for women. I don't like it when women disrespect themselves. Abortion, does just that. It makes the woman disrespect herself. Instead of taking responsibility for the unborn child she helped create, she is in essence making her womb a morgue, or even worse a trash can. She shouldn't belittle her body like that, especially out of convenience. Woman deserve better than that.
@xSamWaynex "I actually have the utmost respect for women. I dont like it when women disrespect themselves. Abortion does just that." Get a grip. Abortions are CHOSEN by women. Your belief that females shouldn't be allowed to have reproductive rights is absolute disrespect towards women, who know their personal situations better than you or anyone.
"..shes in essence making her womb a morgue, or even worse a trash can." Women arent incubators; theyre worth more than the contents of their wombs
I used the word fear because parenthood is scary. Taking responsibility for your actions, not subverting it completely by getting rid of "a problem" for your convenience, is scary. Pro-"choice" is really being pro-"childishness" pro-"irresponsibility." Abortion doesn't really solve anything, it just creates more problems. Message me if you want to hear anymore about it as I hate having a character limit.
@xSamWaynex "Taking responsibility for your actions, not getting rid of "a problem""--Why should a child's life be forced on a woman, as a burden or punishment, or "problem" or "repercussion." That's a sick way of considering the worth of a life. Women have many things to consider. She might be on drugs that cause birth defects, have serious health issues, already struggling with kids...to deny her reproductive rights is appalling. Abortions ARE "taking responsibility for your actions."
At least I consider the life worth something, unlike you who thinks it's ok to kill a human being out of convenience. Responsibility isn't a BAD thing, neither is having consequences to your actions. It's what makes adults,.........well ADULTS!! Most abortions are had by healthy women, who would have healthy babies. But because it would hinder their lifestyle, they choose to abort. That is irresponsible, and cold. Abortions ARE SUBVERTING ALL RESPONSIBILITY!! Grow the hell up.
@xSamWaynex "At least I consider the life worth something..." Actually, I don't believe you give a SHIT what happens to them once they're born. You don't seem to be able to consider the outcomes of what you stand for. If a woman is sick, abused, jobless, homeless, injured, disabled, you think they should be forced to have babies against their will and better judgement, which is ignorant and cold. It's obviously not up to you, unless you yourself are pregnant.
@xSamWaynex "Responsibility isn't a BAD thing, neither is having consequences to your actions." Having an abortion IS accepting responsibility for one's actions, and making a personal, sometimes heartwrenching choice. Women have to live with the consequences of their actions and choices. Criticizing them is judgemental and ignorant. Children should be wanted and cared for, not forced on people who aren't responsible or prepared for them, as some kind of punishment, how cold is that.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ what makes us human beings is our ability to participate in society, or at least be recognized by the preceding development of history. The forms of activity by human beings are objectively embodied in all material culture, in the implements of labour, in language, concepts, in systems of social normsized as a member of society. Fetuses are excluded both by necessity and custom.
Fetuses do indeed participate in society. Baby showers are thrown for them, clothing bought for their arrival. They are in picture frames, and in photo albums, and scrap books all over the world. People work to provide for the fetus, they talk to it while in the womb, and having children is a social norm all over the world. Without the woman being pregnant with said fetus none of this would happen, therefore the fetus plays an integral part in all of this. So nope not excluded.
@SamWayne83 That's all fine and dandy, motherhood is a blessing for those who want children & that's great for them. What you fail to recognize is that some women DO NOT want children, or can't care for them. Forcing women into such an important role against their will is abusive, inconsiderate & ignorant. Some women would rather DIE than have a baby. Some people talk to the baby in their womb, some take drugs and punch themselves in the stomach. It's a personal choice, it'll never be up to you
For one thing, most women who become pregnant were not FORCED into anything. They knew that by having sex they could become pregnant. Not admitting this is truly what is ignorant. Also I for one am not asking for it to be up to me. I am just saying that it shouldn't be up to the mother either. The judges who voted during the RvW it shouldn't have been up to them either. Pretty simple stuff. Pregnancy is a natural occurrence of sexual intercourse, and should be allowed to play out naturally.
@xSamWaynex Why should people, women I mean, be punished for sex? People have sex when they're in love/relationships, if you can't accept this, that's your own issue with sexuality. Millions of women's sex lives aren't anyone's business. Their personal lives, families, health...their own business. Whether to have kids, very personal choice. Pregnancy is natural, yes, and some people "naturally" can't have/don't want kids, don't judge them. Don't like abortions? You can choose not to get one.
I don't have a problem with sex, or sexuality for that matter, at all. I don't have a problem with anyone having sex, male or female. The problem I do have is that sex is a serious thing, but it has become this flippant act. I don't think that anyone should be able to subvert the responsibility that comes with sex. If a person were to get an std, it would be simple for them to never say anything to any future sexual partners. However if someone does this they can get in trouble.
@xSamWaynex "I don't think that anyone should be able to subvert the responsibility that comes with sex." Until you're able to control the world's sex lives, neither should you have any say in other aspects of millions of people's personal lives or bodies. It doesn't take maturity or "responsibility" to have sex, any diseased hooker or misguided child or drunken bum can do the deed. It takes a lot more than knowing how to screw to make a loving, responsible parent.. :P
So people have to take responsibility in those cases, but in the case of something more severe like creating a human being they can subvert the responsibility altogether. We live in a society where the laws are ass backwards. Women can get away with killing a human being they helped create out of convenience, and it's called "abortion," thus subverting parental responsibility altogether. A man who doesn't pay child support goes to jail. If a woman can subvert her responsibility why can't a man?
@xSamWaynex a man should be able to request an abortion within a reasonable amount of time, and if the woman chooses to give birth despite this, they should not be entitled to support from the man who opted out. the right for the woman to abort is not backwards, but child support demanded of men who did not agree to have a child is. so is paying alimony, divorce settlements, etc.
@Sueezee1 just a request, not a mandate. if she declines, then the man should not be obligated to pay child support, as he made it clear in advance that he did not want the child. or if youd rather he never express an opinion on abortion, then he can just say he will not provide support, and we can let the woman decide for herself whether to have the child after all. thats fair, right?
I agree that a man should be able to opt out if a woman can. However I personally don't think a woman should be able to kill something just because it's an annoyance, or would change their "lifestyle." Which most of the time is why women get abortions. I also don't agree with alimony either. Just because a person got used to a certain lifestyle when you were married doesn't mean they should still be able to have that when you are no longer married.
Actually, my pro life stance is just the opposite of misogynistic.
Over hundreds of thousands of young girls are killed each year, and I wanto to put a stop to it. I believe that their rights are being violated. I don't see how you could possibly view that as misogynistic.
heatbucspies55 2 days ago
You sir are a hero x
xxSophiexSmithxx 2 weeks ago
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When you said, "Seek My Face," My heart said, " Your face, Lord, I will seek. Do not hide Your face from me; Do not turn Your servant away in anger; You have been my help; Do not leave me nor forsake me, O God of my salvation. When my father and my mother forsake me, Then they Lord will take care of me. Teach me Your way, O Lord, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies. Do not deliver me to the will of my adersaries; For false witnesses have risen against me. Psalms 27:8-12
mjt19741 2 weeks ago
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"We claimed that between five and ten thousand women a year died of botched abortions. The actual figure was closer to 200 to 300 and we also claimed that there were a million illegal abortions a year in the United States and the actual figure was close to 200,000. So, we were guilty of massive deception." -Bernard Nathanson a founder of National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).
Pro-abortion refuse to see that the fetus is a human being and we have no business massacring it.
mjt19741 3 weeks ago
wow- check out that fucking mutant that is pro-choice...PIECE OF CRAP in this video ^^^^^
antidoteco 1 month ago
also Women who have never used any birth control method account for 8% of abortions.
For women having abortions, 43% are Protestant and 27% identify as Catholic.
loversandpeacekeeper 1 month ago
In the instance of rape and incest, proper medical care can ensure that a woman will not get pregnant. Abortion punishes the unborn child who committed no crime; instead, it is the perpetrator who should be punished.
loversandpeacekeeper 1 month ago 2
I respect you so much for saying all this. I never thought the internet would be such a "pro-life" place, and I'm glad to find someone who is actually giving pro-choice arguments.
RaineAtMidnight 1 month ago
@RaineAtMidnight says: I never thought the internet would be such a "pro-life" place,
~~~~~~~~~~ Well, you have to remember that this is You Tube... NOT the place where the majority of people are older & more educated ( even though many proclaim having Phd's).
Sueezee1 1 month ago
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"180"movie.....on youtube, very informative on pro choice and pro life, only 33 minutes long, check it out.
10cannons 1 month ago
Why are fat, ugly, disgusting men who have never seen a live naked woman so annoying?
rmas32 2 months ago
@rmas32 its all to do with frustration . . . . of all you have mentioned,lols
loversandpeacekeeper 2 months ago
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@rmas32 says: Why are fat, ugly, disgusting men who have never seen a live naked woman so annoying?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why are the words of fat, ugly, disgusting men, who have never seen a live naked woman, so annoying to people who are lacking in the intelligence to address his comments?
Sueezee1 2 months ago
You should view an unborn child as a human being. If the woman was an adult she would accept the consequences of her actions and her responsibilities. The creator loves the baby who cannot speak for itself so 3rd parties intervene.
If I view woman as a piece of meat than you would have to assume that we are only trying to save male babies. A woman has rights regarding her own body- but does not have the right to kill another person.
ENDRENOABORTION 3 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION Very true.
LxE100 3 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION She does have the right. That right is provided by the government. Don't like it? Move.
georgelopezblows 3 months ago 2
@georgelopezblows
well at least you admit she is killing another person (duh)
ENDRENOABORTION 3 months ago
@ENDRENOABORTION Yep. We are all hypocrites. Whether it's the pro-choice who support abortion and not the death penalty, or the pro-life who support the death penalty and eat meat.
We all have blood on our hands.
georgelopezblows 3 months ago
@georgelopezblowsYou're joking right?
I mean nobody is that ignorant. PRO-LIFE is for innocent human life.
It has nothing to do with not eating animals or cutting the grass or killing a fly!
mrsjbs1980 3 months ago
@mrsjbs1980 Well then call yourself "pro-innocent-life", and not pro-life. It's very misleading.
Is an animal not innocent? If that's the case, I hope you don't mind if I fry-up my basset hound for dinner. After all, he is just an animal.
georgelopezblows 3 months ago
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@georgelopezblows I guess I was wrong when I said you could be that ignorant !
You have proven you are.
mrsjbs1980 3 months ago
@mrsjbs1980 says: PRO-LIFE is for innocent human life.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes, youre all for bringing human "life" into the world to be unwanted, and often hated. Child abuse thrills you.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 said(CHILD ABUSE THRILLS YOU)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
AH???
Noooooooooo!
You are confused once again
Remember it's" ME " that is against harming the child.
And YOU are the one pushing for the MURDER of the unborn.
mrsjbs1980 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 thrill you more like, you keep it bringing it up, chances are parents who get pregant and keep the child love the child planned are not,it happens blind to the facts are not as you are
loversandpeacekeeper 2 months ago
@loversandpeacekeeper says: chances are parents who get pregant and keep the child love the child
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CHANCES>????? Youre free to have as many babies as YOU like and take a damned chance with their welfare, but dont expect smart women to follow your lead. Smart women take chances at the craps tables NOT on a child life!!
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 please tell me what chances have i taken, i "really" want to hear? smart woman in the 1st place,just to let you know, have great sex without the out come of being pregant and it being unwanted, the main number of people who - the 98 per cent who get them are not these smart woman. by your history on yt you are not that smart either, truely sorry about that (still laughing at you hysterically)
loversandpeacekeeper 2 months ago
@loversandpeacekeeper says: please tell me what chances have i taken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hahahahahahaha...god i love dumb people....where in the hell did I say you took a chance??/ Show me darling..i want to see this...hahahahah!! leran to comprehend read and then get back with me, LMAO
Sueezee1 2 months ago
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Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 mine do to! its illegal here!! woop!! what multiple names? my old 2 years out of service account because i was to busy to have them accounts?? wow, burn, got me there, nots,"laughs insainly", god your good entertainment :)
loversandpeacekeeper 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 said"child abuse thrills you"
>>>>>>
You have no idea who I am or how I feel about anything .
The only thing you know about me is by what I post on u-tube.
And EVERYTHING I post has to do with NOT HARMING LIFE!
On the other hand ,,EVERYTHING ---YOU--- post is pushing for the killing of a human life.
If anyone is THRILLED WITH CHILD ABUSE ,,,you have shown that it is you!
mrsjbs1980 2 months ago
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@georgelopezblows said: "Whether it's the pro-choice who support abortion and not the death penalty, or the pro-life who support the death penalty and eat meat."
The death penalty. When a person commits murder, they automatically forefeit their right to freedom. If somebody killed a member of your family, would you support the death penalty or would you let them server life in prison?
mjt19741 1 month ago
ABORTION=MURDER
Murder is ending someone's life after they are born.
Abortion is ending a fetus's life before they are born.
There is no difference between abortion and murder. Therefore abortion is equivilent to murder.
mjt19741 3 months ago
@Grimli Just because God gives you free will doesn't mean you don't have to follow his commandments. I don't understand how a sane and rational human being, could think that it's okay to kill a human fetus. That's disgusting, and cruel. Grimli, you're wrong in supporting free choice. If you're in favor of doing something God doesn't support, you are against God. It would be wise of you to change your ways. Just some friendly advice. :D
LxE100 3 months ago
Dont use rape for your arguments, less then one percent of all the abortions performed in this country are for rape.
Most are for conveniance, I know a satanist who has had two second trimester abortions because that was her sacrifice, not all women are raped, just sick
mscheesymac 4 months ago
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@mscheesymac "Dont use rape for your arguments, less then one percent of all the abortions performed in this country are for rape. Most are for conveniance, I know a satanist who has had two second trimester abortions because that was her sacrifice"
Don't use rape! That's not a good reason for an abortion! Let's use Satanic sacrifice instead! Because that's what most abortions are for! Yeah..hahahaha
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Sueezee1 3 months ago
@mscheesymac says: know a satanist who has had two second trimester abortions because that was her sacrifice
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LOLOL, suuuuure you do...thats just more probirth propaganda BS, keep em coming because they are filling my book of ignorant prolife comments.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 You have to be one of the most ignorant people I've come across on youtube, you keep spouting propaganda when yourside spews nothing but lies, propaganda and emotional oriented drivel to make your points. Actually I do know a girl that did that, She's my husbands ex-girlfriend and she lives in Lexington. When you actually have something intelligent to say besides your usual elementary school comebacks, then maybe I'll care what you have to say. Till then keep watching spongebob
mscheesymac 3 months ago
@mscheesymac says: you keep spouting propaganda
~~~~~~~~~ My propaganda is why abortion is legal...i win. Why does that anger you so? (smile)
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 Answer me this little mssuezee are you an atheist?
mscheesymac 3 months ago
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@mscheesymac says: Answer me this little mssuezee are you an atheist?\
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Dont try to get off the subject...
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@mscheesymac Don't worry about Sueezee. She has two black eyes. Her husband already told her twice.
mjt19741 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 Sarcasm doesnt bother me, It means that I really annoy you. ( patting myself on back).
mscheesymac 3 months ago
@mscheesymac Thank God Sueezee1's parents weren't like him. He wouldn't be existing right now. Wait...isn't that a bad thing they aren't like him? Lol.
LxE100 3 months ago
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@LxE100 says: Thank God Sueezee1's parents weren't like him. He wouldn't be existing right now.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What, so your saying the vid poster promotes abortion with every pregnancy?? Hahahahahahahah, God, i love dumbasses!!!
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@mscheesymac it makes commenting him that much funnier dont it :)
loversandpeacekeeper 3 months ago
@loversandpeacekeeper Yes it does:)
mscheesymac 3 months ago
Hey now, I'm all for telling Sueezee to shut up in as many ways as possible, because yes she is indeed an ignorant douche, but let's leave Spongebob out of it ok? HAHA
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
@xSamWaynex says: I'm all for telling Sueezee to shut up
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre also for me having unwanted babies to make you happy..I wont do that either...LOLOL. its a shame you have NOTHING valid to offer..LMAO!!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
Sueezee, last time I will respond to you as well. All you do is spew rhetoric, and then try your best to insult people, or otherwise enrage them. I have brought to you on several occasions, logical, and very intelligent debates, to which you just do what all liberal douchebags do, and that is continue to spew rhetoric, and try to piss people off. You're not going to piss me off, and I will just ignore you from now on. What you think doesn't bother me because you are a mindless douche.
xSamWaynex 1 month ago
@xSamWaynex says: last time I will respond to you
~~~~~~~~ It damned sure better be!! It must be embarrassing to be chewed up & spit on on a subject you think you know about. Long live legal abortion on human beings which is illegal, right x? LOLOL
Sueezee1 1 month ago
what nation r u?
CrazyNative4 4 months ago
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@sallylongpants says: Welfare is up because women who should not have children are having children. The kids are neglected and raised in poverty. They become young criminals, and eventually become adult criminals.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its nice to see at least one person with a brain that uses it! Good job
Sueezee1 5 months ago
Ok for one, you ASSUME that there would be more welfare and crime, however since the legalization of abortion the crime rate has gone up 81%. So IF, abortion had anything to do with welfare or the crime rate, then that would mean both should've went DOWN, not up since 1973. According to the NCVS conducted by the FBI the opposite has taken place. Crime is up, and the welfare rate is also up.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "Ok for one, you ASSUME that there would be more welfare and crime, however since the legalization of abortion the crime rate has gone up 81%." Duhh, abortion has not affected the growth rate, the world's population has been increasing at an alarming rate. Obviously women who live in poverty, and choose not to have kids, would need help supporting kids if she were forced to have them. Why do you want millions more people to need welfare? Are your taxes not high enough? Try adopting.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
Stop smoking
dmcarefuldriver 6 months ago
angry, its legal - so was slavery, execution, the list goes on. never meant or means its right, but who the fuck cares when its selfish people who preach.
loversandpeacekeeper 6 months ago
its an idiots world.
loversandpeacekeeper 6 months ago
So since God is in this, God views abortion is murder. Women are more than what you say and I'm pro-life. Women are human beings, not a piece of meat of baby factory. If it is some sort of incest or rape put it up for adoption, and rape...he doesn't know he made a child he has no rights.
mwjayjr 6 months ago
Being anti-abortion is not telling women they cannot have control over their bodies. Think about it. If a woman has control over her body, then it would be legal for her to sell her body for money.
Men are not trying to control a womans body just like women are not trying to control a mans body. A fetus is a life depending on its mother while inside the womb. A baby is a life depending on its mother/father while outside the womb.
"LIFE IS WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHILE YOU ARE MAKING OTHER PLANS
mjt19741 7 months ago
everyone: check out the national network of abortion funds. they hel raise money for low income women to obtain abortion care in the united states
leiapeison 7 months ago
@leiapeison says: check out the national network of abortion funds. they hel raise money for low income women to obtain abortion care in the united states
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre so right!! And, the number of abortion funding organizations overseas expands everday. The countries where abortion is illegal is a joke because these orgs even pay for women to be transported ( plus the procedure) to countries where it is legal. There are some damned smart and caring people out there!
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@Sueezee1 have you thought of starting an abortion fund where you live? you can contact Women on Web on how to get one started for women in the third world. they can help you start an abortion hotline. we all need to work together. we can get this done
leiapeison 7 months ago
@leiapeison says: starting an abortion fund where you live? get one started for women third world
~~~~~ No, but I have donated to one ( the only one) in my immediate area. As I understand it, they need more money/donators to keep active, than volunteers.I would prefer statrting one for 3rd world countires and thats something to think about. They are so much more hard pressed than we (US) are. ..i feel so sorry for them. By the way, keep spreading the word..one single donation matters.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@leiapeison What good does that do for society? NOTHING
mjt19741 7 months ago
@ihuggedyourmum says: you ain nowt but a troll . .
~~~~~~~~~~~ Youre god damned right I am ! Nothing pleases me more than to cause emotional turmoil to lying, decieving, uneducated probirthers. I love to ruffle your feathers for my own amusement & what I like best is knowing I win the debate. Abortion is legal. Now, ya got anything intelligent to say? I didnt think so! lol
Sueezee1 7 months ago 2
@ihuggedyourmum says: They WERNT people OR human beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nope, sorry dumbass....thats why we could OWN slaves and we OWN our abort embryos & can abort them. I know its difficult for uneducated people to comprehend, so just forget it and keep being stupid. Prochoice thanks you..
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@ihuggedyourmum says: when black peole got there rights therefore the un born will do too some day! :
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, Soo you equate black people with an unknown entity that has the conciousness level of a damned earthworm???? Youre a racist AND ignorant.. Now, prove embryos will be able to gain personhood and have rights...lolol, eagerly awaiting your rediculous response...lolol
Sueezee1 7 months ago
What about a baby in the womb? it is a human being. It is NOT part of a womans body it kicks and its heart pumps and it is alive. Also its not a great idea to tell people to shut up.
crazyability 7 months ago
@crazyability says: it is a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ PROBIRTH LIAR> If it were a human being abortion would be illegal. Do you LIE because prochoice took all the truths to make abortion legal & thats all you have to work with?
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@crazyability says: What about a baby in the womb?
I lOVE this common, childish, prolife word use faux pas. If youre talking about a fetus, Why do you have to announce that its in the womb ?? i KNOW why...its because you KNOW a fetus isnt a baby, so to distinguish what your refering to , you HAVE to say" in the womb". You all do very well in making yourselves look totally ignorant!! next time just try "fetus" and you wont look so foolish!
Sueezee1 7 months ago
Quick question since when is a human, not a human being? The fetus is human, we agree on that but you say it isn't a human being until it is born. Well, the very definition of "human" would disagree with you. You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING." So they are synonymous, therefore the human fetus is a human being by definition.
SamWayne83 8 months ago
@SamWayne83 says:s ince when is a human, not a human being?the very definition of "human" would disagree with you
~~~~~~~~~~~~` Since this this countries beginning!! "Human" is ONLY the catagory of our species, it means nothing else. AND , when talking legal defintions you have to look in a LEGAL dictionary . Human being is ONLY a legal term that denotes a person w ith rights. Fetuses dont have them, the born do. Take some pride in the things you say. Learn FIRST.
Sueezee1 8 months ago
Let's take note from what you said here ok? In the beginning of our country slaves were not considered human beings. They had no rights at all, and had only limited protection from harm legally. So do you think that slavery was ok because it was legal? Do you think the law was right when they said that slaves weren't human beings? Or is it possible that the law is just as wrong now as it was then?
SamWayne83 8 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: In the beginning of our country slaves were not considered human beings.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its NOT that werent "considered" human beings....it was, in the law, they were NOT human beings.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
So slavery in your mind would still be ok, if the 13th and 14th amendments hadn't stopped it and it was still legal? You have no morals at all do you? Not even "common morality" which is the morality that is shared by most of Americans, as well as people all around the world. You also avoided the concept that the law had already given legal status to the fetus in the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son. This could be used as an example for later cases.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: So slavery in your mind would still be ok, if the 13th and 14th amendments hadn't stopped it and it was still legal?
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learn to read, dumbass.....I said NO, not to ME, but it was, is, and would be fine with millions of people,...so it is ok or not??LOLOL. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER AND YOU HAVE NEITHER
Sueezee1 7 months ago
You never said "not to me" in any of your posts. You simply replied that it was legal, and therefore fine, because they weren't considered human beings by the laws. It is nice to know that you think slavery is wrong though. Does this include slavery of all people?
SamWayne83 7 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: because they weren't considered human beings by the laws. It is nice to know that you think slavery is wrong though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHY????? just becuase YOU do??? i think if you want to be that egotistical, you need to get more educated. Do you really expect anyone to follow YOUR crazy ideas?
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 Hey don't worry about what Sueezee1 has to say. She thinks she knows everything. But doesn't even realize how ignorant she really is. She's not a human being.
mjt19741 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: ou have no morals at all do you?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to whose moral code??? Everyone has different morals , so, whose are we going by to judge mine??? Ignorance is blissful, isnt it sam?:LOL
Sueezee1 7 months ago
According to the common moral code we all live by. Such as it's wrong to murder, enslave others,and rape. The moral code that makes up our laws.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says; According to the common moral code we all live b
~~~~~~~~~~ There is NO "common morals" ground that we all live by. Now, answer my question. Whose morals code do we follow when it comes to abortion?
Sueezee1 7 months ago
So there is no common moral code that we all live by? That means that murder is subjective, rape is subjective, pedophilia is subjective, slavery is subjective, NOTHING is inherently immoral. Then why are these things illegal? These things were made illegal a long time ago, because they are found to be immoral by the majority. There is indeed a common moral code, that the majority of people live by. You cannot admit this and that's fine, just know that you are, and always will be wrong.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: So there is no common moral code that we all live by? That means that murder is subjective,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahaha no you god damned dumbass....murde r is nOT subjective. The idea of it being right or wrong IS.. BYE, your not smart enough to talk to me...
Sueezee1 7 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: "common morality" which is the morality that is shared by most of Americans,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahah thats like common immorality. So, whats your point?? Youre still spitting into the wind and getting hit in the face.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: You also avoided the concept that the law had already given legal status to the fetus
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You avoided MY response as to why is has NONE... hahahaha, if you were right, moron, abortion wold be illegal....I know you hate that I win, but get used to it. God bless the poor prolifers.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
I didn't ignore any of your responses at all, but you sure enough did ignore mine. In the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son, the unborn was given legal status. Therefore the unborn have already been given legal status in a court of law. No debate necessary there, that is a fact. However since abortion was legal before this case, the courts can decide which takes presidence. This still doesn't dispute in anyway what I said that the unborn have already been given legal status.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: In the case of Scott Peterson's unborn son, the unborn was given legal status.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah NO IT WAS NOT!! That law has NOTHING to do w ith fetuses and NOTHING to do with rights. read the Act that charges people with murder of a fetus...NOWHERE is it given rights, as a matter of fact, its worded to make sure they have none. get smarter d sam..lol
Sueezee1 7 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: the unborn was given legal status.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOl, ok, show us where, in the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, that it says fetuses have rights. Eagerly awaiting( and waiting, & waiting) your FACTUAL reply. And, dont run away pretending you wernt asked this question.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: So do you think that slavery was ok because it was legal? Do you think the law was right when they said that slaves weren't human beings
~~~~~~~~~~~~ No. I would also think abortion was "ok" if it wasnt legal. Yes, the law is right when it says they wernt human beings. So, what are you trying to get across?
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: Or is it possible that the law is just as wrong now as it was then?
~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong to who, Sam? YOU or me??? Or, Mr Jones down the street? The butcher? Baker? Candlestick maker? WHOSE idea of right or wrong do we go by? Millions of people thought slavery was wonderful & right, & some still do... so, your theory means nothing.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: human fetus is a human being by definition.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ If that were true, abortion would be illegal because its illegal to kill human beings at will. AND, you cant kill humans....how in the hell would you kill the species we are??? Impossible!
Black's Law Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals , also specifically found as a meaning of the word "person" ... LEARN
Sueezee1 8 months ago
You can't kill humans? We are impervious to weapons of any kind, as well as diseases, and old age? That is news to me, so thank you for sharing HAHAHAHA. I would like to bring up a legal case for you. Scott Peterson killed his wife and unborn son, that's right UNBORN! He was charged with double homicide. Therefore the law gave the unborn child legal status as a human being. If they had not then he would've only been charged with the murder of the mother.
SamWayne83 8 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: Therefore the law gave the unborn child legal status as a human being.
~~~~~~~~~~ WRONG.. read the U V V Act. NOWHERE will you find the wording that denotes a fetus has rights of any kind. It has NO "legal status". if it did, abortion wold be illegal. LEARN
Sueezee1 7 months ago
Therefore the law has already given the unborn legal status, but they choose when this legal status is accepted. It is ok for the mother to eliminate the life of the unborn, and this is not considered murder. However if anyone else does it then it is. This is hypocrisy, and insanity. It should be wrong for anyone to kill the unborn.
SamWayne83 8 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: However if anyone else does it then it is. This is hypocrisy, a
~~~~~~~~ Thats ONLY because dumdbass Bush Jr decided to call it murder. What do you expect? The theory behind that is about the womans right to HER fetuses fate was taken from her. We assume the woman is going to give birth to her child unless SHE decides differently. Its no one else decision.The murder charge is there for the fetus who COULD have been born, but now cant.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: It is ok for the mother to eliminate the life of the unborn, and this is not considered murder. However if anyone else does it then it is.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its called a WOMANS reproductive freedom...Not ANYONES reproductive freedom. Only she gets to decide her fetuses fate,.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 Many things that happen are wrong, like child abuse, neglect, molestation... If a woman CAN NOT care for an infant, than she shouldn't have to have one. The murdered pregnant woman you speak of was probably going to keep her kid. A woman who terminates a pregnancy doesn't want a kid. We must consider the rights of a child--to a loving caring home, a mother who will care for it. If these necessities are not available, what is the sense of producing the person?
loathedandabhorred 7 months ago 7
Here is what is wrong with your statement it doesn't matter if she wanted the child, what matters is that the unborn was given legal status in this case. Scott Peterson was charged with double homicide. He killed his wife and unborn child. It would've been the same even if she had intended to obtain a late term abortion. He would've still been charged with double homicide. Now, as far as a "loving caring home" there is always adoption.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: there is always adoption.
~~~~~~~~~ have as many babies as you want and dispose of them anyway you want, but dont expect smart people to follow your lead.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: what matters is that the unborn was given legal status in this case.
~~~~~~~~~~ God damn, you dont know SHIT about this subject, do you?? NOWHERE in the Unborn Victim of Violence Act is it worded in a way that gives a fetus ANY legal status. It is NEVER called a human being or person which is the ONLY thing that would give it "legal" rights. Too bad you dont know the semantics or the law..because thats ALL this is about. Poor sammy! Take alittle pride in yourself!!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 What does that have to do with whether abortions should be kept safe and legal for millions of women? So in one case, in which I'm willing to bet the woman had every intention of giving birth, her murderer was charged w/ double homicide. So..?
And late term abortions aren't legal, not comparable to early term abortions. And adoption isn't an alternative to being pregnant or giving birth, it's an alternative to raising the child. Not everyone believes in adoption, or has the option.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
What do you mean what does that have to do with abortion? The fact that abortion happens means that several human beings lives are being taken. Therefore if the unborn was granted legal status in one case it would be monumental toward the rights of the unborn in later cases. Also adoption is ALWAYS an option. No one, is ever refused the option of adoption. Babies, are adopted more often than any other age group.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "The fact that abortion happens means several human beings lives are being taken." Why are you crying over human potential? An unconscious, developing fetus does not have any concerns, any opinions, and doesn't make decisions. It won't miss not being born. it doesn't see the future. Ignorant to believe a woman isn't aware of her own circumstances, and shouldn't be able to make responsible choices for her and her family. Irrational to think a fetus has more rights than a grown woman
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
I'm not crying over human potential, that is what you label it as to make it seem ok. This isn't "human potential" these are human beings from the moment of conception. They are new unique individuals. The fact that you try and use the term "human potential" is outrageous. Also they are both human beings, the fact that you use the "grown woman" argument shows that you truly disrespect life in general. The fetus shouldn't have MORE rights, it should have the SAME AMOUNT.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex How is my point that "grown women" should have more rights to make decisions than fetuses, who don't have the ability to choose anything either way, disrepectful to life in general? If a "grown woman" can't care for a baby, can't give it what it needs to survive and thrive, why should she be forced to produce a baby against her will? Accidentally becoming pregnant is not a good reason for many to mindlessly pop out kids they can't take care of.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex ..Irrational to think a fetus should have more rights than a grown woman, who assesses her conditions, considers her options, makes the choice she feels is best. When millions of kids are in foster care, it doesn't make sense to fight for millions more unwanted kids be simply be born, to people who CAN"T/WON'T care for them. How sad. Consider the outcome of what you stand for. Forcing women to give birth against their will is no worse than forcing women to abort against their will.
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
Late term abortions are illegal in most cases, however they still happen, and really had nothing to do with anything I had said previously, so this is all I will say on the subject. Also no adoption isn't an "alternative" to being pregnant or giving birth, but it is an option, where as abortion in almost all cases should not be. Especially in cases of "convenience."
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Human is a scientific term, and human being is a legal one. Do you know how many specialized dictionaries there are out there? Knowledge is power, sam!
Sueezee1 8 months ago
No I don't know the exact number of specialized dictionaries, but I'm sure there are many. The term human being is NOT a legal term either. Both Human and Human Being are SCIENTIFIC terms. Both are also interchangeable. Nice try though
SamWayne83 8 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: Both Human and Human Being are SCIENTIFIC terms.
~~~~~~~~~~ LOLOL, Black's LAW Dictionary defines "person/ human being" as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals , also specifically found as a meaning of the word "person". Take some pride in yourself, sam, and the things you say, or look foolish. Dont you know if you were right, abortion wold be illegal? Geeez.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
The word human as well as human being are both scientific terms. The fact that the law chose one over the other doesn't mean that these two words aren't still scientific terms.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: Quick question since when is a human, not a human being?
~~~~~~~~~~ Since the 1700's when we decided that a "being" is used to conceptualizing subjective aspects fundamental to the SELF,as in "a being," or " human being" —it refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character. Fetuses dont have that.The Constitution was written 1787,& the word " human being AND person" has held the same meaning since and that dosent include fetuses.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
You do know that when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right? You also know that when the constitution was drafted slavery was legal, and quite abundant all over the US. Slaves weren't considered people at this time. However something changed, what was it...........oh yes an amendment to the CONSTITUTION! The "constitution" has indeed changed the meaning of the word human being and person.
SamWayne83 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: You do know that when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right?
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..lol, wrong AGAIN!! At the time the Constitution was adopted, abortions before "quickening" was openly advertised and commonly performed.. Forget it sammy, you cant win.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: Slaves weren't considered people at this time
~~~~~~~~~ They WERNT people OR human beings...no one is who dosent have rights. ...learn the law sweetie..hahahahahahah. youre boring the hell outta me. I think its time to leave you with your addiction to typing...... nothing...hahahah!!
Sueezee1 7 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: an amendment to the CONSTITUTION! The "constitution" has indeed changed the meaning of the word human being and person.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh ya, I forgot about THAT...thats why abortion is illegal now....hahahahahahahahahahahah. God, i love dumbasses. They are more fun than a circus!!
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: You do know that when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right
~~~~~~~~~~ Nope it WAS legal... And, dont be mad at ME because I chose to be educated and you didnt. Stupid is a choice.
Sueezee1 7 months ago
@SamWayne83 says:when the constitution was drafted abortion was illegal in almost all cases right?
~~~~~~~~ Excuse me?? Abortion was legal for the pilgrims, before quickening!! Ddi you know it was legal and PUBLICALLY advertized in the 1800's?? Gezzzzz sam, please research before speaking.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Yes in the 1800's it was heavily advertised. But at the drafting of the constitution abortion was illegal as I said before in almost all cases. Pilgrims were before the drafting of the constitution if I have my history correct. So how is what you said in anyway relevant? And how exactly does it rebut what I have said in anyway?
SamWayne83 6 months ago
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Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@SamWayne83 But at the drafting of the constitution abortion was illegal
~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit....abortion was NOT a crime and was quite common in the U.S. during the 1700s and the Constitution was written/drafted in 1787. Stop your lying OR get educated. As always youre looking foolish
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: oh yes an amendment to the CONSTITUTION! The "constitution" has indeed changed the meaning of the word human being and person.
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PROBIRTH LIAR!! The Constitution was written 1787,& the word "person" , which is the exact same as human being, has held the same meaning since.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Jesus H. Christ you are an idiot. It took an amendment to make "slaves" qualify as HUMAN BEINGS!! The amendment in question was the 13th. And no the word "person" has changed with the 13th as well, as slaves were not people but property before this time. Pretty simple if you think about it.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: slaves were not people but property before this time.
~~~~~~~~~ They also wernt human beings because it was ILLEGAL to own human beings. Thats why women OWN their fetuses and do what they want with them...they are not human beings...lol
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: he very definition of "human" would disagree with you. You see when you look up the word "human" one of many definitions given is "HUMAN BEING."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You dont look up the legal term, and human being is ONLY a legal term, in a regular dictionary. You use a legal dictionary and that defintion IS:
Black's Law Dictionary defines "person" as: An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Human being is only a legal term? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . The term human being is also a scientific term, not just a legal one, and is also a phrase used commonly enough to be included in a standard webster's dictionary, which doesn't HAVE to be a "legal term" to be included. You choose the legal definition because it best fits what you think to be a human being. Which is fine, that's what I am doing myself.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 high five!!!!!!!
loversandpeacekeeper 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: The term human being is also a scientific term,
~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry, dumbsammy... human is a scientific term...its our species. human being is ONLY a legal term when debating abortion which is a LEGAL action. Look at the LEGAL defintion:
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Black's Law Dictionary defines " human being as: . An entity that is recognized by law as having the rights and duties of born & legal individuals . BUT, dont believe it...because we want you ignorant. (smile)
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: Websters dictionary
~~~~~~~~~~ Ya, keep using that one. We all prefer you do..LMFAO!!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: The term human being is also a scientific term, not just a legal one, a
~~~~~~~~~~~ NOT in the realm of LEGAL and ILLEGAL abortion, sweetie.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: and is also a phrase used commonly enough to be included in a standard webster's dictionary
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Lawyers dont use "Websters"(LMAO) to denote legal defintions, and surgeons dont use it for medical terms...if they did, an "operation" could be a bomber plane attack.LOL. You need to kick your parents asses for not teaching you better. By the way, let me take a minute to thank MINE! TY mom & dad!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: The term human being is also a scientific term,
~~~~~~~~~~~~ ONLY when the scientist is talking about BORN individuals, otherwise, his comments are not in the realm of any law.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83says: You choose the legal definition because it best fits what you think to be a human being.Which is fine, that's what I am doing myself.
~~~~~~~~~~~ I am NOT picking & choosing like YOU are. I dont have to do that because I know my stuff & you DONT. A human being is recognized by law as such, not because he is human, but because rights and duties are ascribed to him. The human being is the LEGAL subject or substance of which the rights and duties are attributed.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
So Scott Petersons unborn son was a human being according to the legal definition. He wouldn't have been charged with double homicide, had this not been true. So as I said before in one case the unborn have been confirmed as human beings. You CLAIM to know your stuff, but really you are just a moron who spouts off pro-abortion rhetoric over and over again even after being proven wrong.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
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@SamWayne83 says: So Scott Petersons unborn son was a human being according to the legal definition.He wouldn't have been charged with double homicide, had this not been true.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahha, all you have to do is show me where, in the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, it calls a fetus a person or a human being, the term that give them rights NOT to be l killed, and then you will be right.. LOLOLOL..good luck in that sweeite.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: human being
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Being, a legal defintion, is used for conceptualizing subjective aspects fundamental to the self,as in "a being," or " human being" —it refers to a discrete life form that has PROPERTIES OF MIND...i.e. experience and character....
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: .human being
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A human being is a biosocial being and represents the highest level of development of all living organisms on earth, the subject of labour, of the social forms of life, communication and consciousness. Thats NOT a fetus.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
While the fetus doesn't talk, neither does a new born baby. If you go by the scientific definition for sentience then guess what, a new born baby isn't sentient either, because it isn't "self aware" it only acts on instinct. It cries to get what it wants, which is instinctual. It will try to suckle when put up against someones chest, especially women. It isn't entirely aware of anything, although it shows consciousness, it isn't exactly "sentient" from a scientific stand point.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
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@SamWayne83 No,m sentience means "aware", not "self aware"
"It isn't entirely aware of anything, although it shows consciousness, "
Consciousness requires sentience.
Fuctmentality 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 says: It will try to suckle when put up against someones chest, especially women
~~~~~~~~~~~ Especially women?? Are you saying a new baby knows the difference in a women and a carrot? It wold attempt to nurser from a carrot as quickly as a woman.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Did I say this? No, this is how you interpreted what I said. When a new born is laid against someones chest, especially those with soft chests, like women who happen to have breasts, the child will try to suckle. It will also suckle on a pacifier, or pretty much anything else you could think of. It is natural instinct. Which is pretty much what I said to begin with.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 Since a fetus is a developing baby, it's not comparable to a fully formed, born individual. Once born, a baby needs to be cared for and provided for. If the pregnancy is terminated, the mother makes the conscious decision to NOT give birth, to NOT have a baby. What makes you think this is anything but a very personal choice? Why should you have any control or say whatsoever over millions of womens uteruses or personal life choices? You don't even know their circumstances, don't judge
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
Once again, I am not asking for control over anything, nor am I judging anyone. I am simply going by the evidence provided. You speak of "personal life choice" but think it is completely acceptable to negate the "personal life choice" of the unborn, and yes they are ALIVE, and therefore should have a choice. The fact of the matter is the pro-"choice" movement isn't about "choice" at all. It is about doing what you want with no fear of responsibility or repercussion.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
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@xSamWaynex "You speak of "personal life choice" but think it is completely acceptable to negate the "personal life choice" of the unborn, and yes they are ALIVE, and therefore should have a choice." How do you suppose we shoud ask the unborn for their opinion? Hahaha, completely irrational.
You say you're not judging, then criticize people you know nothing about. You don't know why these women decide to abort. Maybe they don't need "repercussion" or punishment for getting preg or raped....
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex ...You seem to hold a lot of disrepect for women. Nobody likes abortions, no one wants to get one! Not having the ability or resources to care for a child is not "irresponsible," or selfish; it's the truth for some people, even if it doesn't apply to you. People struggling to survive, in abusive relationships, homeless or jobless or injured or disabled, may not be in a good enough position to give birth. People need support, not criticism and control!
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
Sorry I didn't address this in my first response, but I actually have the utmost respect for women. I don't like it when women disrespect themselves. Abortion, does just that. It makes the woman disrespect herself. Instead of taking responsibility for the unborn child she helped create, she is in essence making her womb a morgue, or even worse a trash can. She shouldn't belittle her body like that, especially out of convenience. Woman deserve better than that.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "I actually have the utmost respect for women. I dont like it when women disrespect themselves. Abortion does just that." Get a grip. Abortions are CHOSEN by women. Your belief that females shouldn't be allowed to have reproductive rights is absolute disrespect towards women, who know their personal situations better than you or anyone.
"..shes in essence making her womb a morgue, or even worse a trash can." Women arent incubators; theyre worth more than the contents of their wombs
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
I used the word fear because parenthood is scary. Taking responsibility for your actions, not subverting it completely by getting rid of "a problem" for your convenience, is scary. Pro-"choice" is really being pro-"childishness" pro-"irresponsibility." Abortion doesn't really solve anything, it just creates more problems. Message me if you want to hear anymore about it as I hate having a character limit.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "Taking responsibility for your actions, not getting rid of "a problem""--Why should a child's life be forced on a woman, as a burden or punishment, or "problem" or "repercussion." That's a sick way of considering the worth of a life. Women have many things to consider. She might be on drugs that cause birth defects, have serious health issues, already struggling with kids...to deny her reproductive rights is appalling. Abortions ARE "taking responsibility for your actions."
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
At least I consider the life worth something, unlike you who thinks it's ok to kill a human being out of convenience. Responsibility isn't a BAD thing, neither is having consequences to your actions. It's what makes adults,.........well ADULTS!! Most abortions are had by healthy women, who would have healthy babies. But because it would hinder their lifestyle, they choose to abort. That is irresponsible, and cold. Abortions ARE SUBVERTING ALL RESPONSIBILITY!! Grow the hell up.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "At least I consider the life worth something..." Actually, I don't believe you give a SHIT what happens to them once they're born. You don't seem to be able to consider the outcomes of what you stand for. If a woman is sick, abused, jobless, homeless, injured, disabled, you think they should be forced to have babies against their will and better judgement, which is ignorant and cold. It's obviously not up to you, unless you yourself are pregnant.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "Responsibility isn't a BAD thing, neither is having consequences to your actions." Having an abortion IS accepting responsibility for one's actions, and making a personal, sometimes heartwrenching choice. Women have to live with the consequences of their actions and choices. Criticizing them is judgemental and ignorant. Children should be wanted and cared for, not forced on people who aren't responsible or prepared for them, as some kind of punishment, how cold is that.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 human being
~~~~~~~~~~~~ what makes us human beings is our ability to participate in society, or at least be recognized by the preceding development of history. The forms of activity by human beings are objectively embodied in all material culture, in the implements of labour, in language, concepts, in systems of social normsized as a member of society. Fetuses are excluded both by necessity and custom.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Fetuses do indeed participate in society. Baby showers are thrown for them, clothing bought for their arrival. They are in picture frames, and in photo albums, and scrap books all over the world. People work to provide for the fetus, they talk to it while in the womb, and having children is a social norm all over the world. Without the woman being pregnant with said fetus none of this would happen, therefore the fetus plays an integral part in all of this. So nope not excluded.
SamWayne83 6 months ago
@SamWayne83 That's all fine and dandy, motherhood is a blessing for those who want children & that's great for them. What you fail to recognize is that some women DO NOT want children, or can't care for them. Forcing women into such an important role against their will is abusive, inconsiderate & ignorant. Some women would rather DIE than have a baby. Some people talk to the baby in their womb, some take drugs and punch themselves in the stomach. It's a personal choice, it'll never be up to you
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
For one thing, most women who become pregnant were not FORCED into anything. They knew that by having sex they could become pregnant. Not admitting this is truly what is ignorant. Also I for one am not asking for it to be up to me. I am just saying that it shouldn't be up to the mother either. The judges who voted during the RvW it shouldn't have been up to them either. Pretty simple stuff. Pregnancy is a natural occurrence of sexual intercourse, and should be allowed to play out naturally.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex Why should people, women I mean, be punished for sex? People have sex when they're in love/relationships, if you can't accept this, that's your own issue with sexuality. Millions of women's sex lives aren't anyone's business. Their personal lives, families, health...their own business. Whether to have kids, very personal choice. Pregnancy is natural, yes, and some people "naturally" can't have/don't want kids, don't judge them. Don't like abortions? You can choose not to get one.
loathedandabhorred 6 months ago
I don't have a problem with sex, or sexuality for that matter, at all. I don't have a problem with anyone having sex, male or female. The problem I do have is that sex is a serious thing, but it has become this flippant act. I don't think that anyone should be able to subvert the responsibility that comes with sex. If a person were to get an std, it would be simple for them to never say anything to any future sexual partners. However if someone does this they can get in trouble.
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex "I don't think that anyone should be able to subvert the responsibility that comes with sex." Until you're able to control the world's sex lives, neither should you have any say in other aspects of millions of people's personal lives or bodies. It doesn't take maturity or "responsibility" to have sex, any diseased hooker or misguided child or drunken bum can do the deed. It takes a lot more than knowing how to screw to make a loving, responsible parent.. :P
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
So people have to take responsibility in those cases, but in the case of something more severe like creating a human being they can subvert the responsibility altogether. We live in a society where the laws are ass backwards. Women can get away with killing a human being they helped create out of convenience, and it's called "abortion," thus subverting parental responsibility altogether. A man who doesn't pay child support goes to jail. If a woman can subvert her responsibility why can't a man?
xSamWaynex 6 months ago
@xSamWaynex a man should be able to request an abortion within a reasonable amount of time, and if the woman chooses to give birth despite this, they should not be entitled to support from the man who opted out. the right for the woman to abort is not backwards, but child support demanded of men who did not agree to have a child is. so is paying alimony, divorce settlements, etc.
payasoinfeliz 4 months ago
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@payasoinfeliz says: a man should be able to request an abortion within a reasonable amount of time,
~~~~~~~~~~~~ But, of course. I can just hear women now..." here are MY reproductive organs, darling...they are all yours"!! Too funny!
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 just a request, not a mandate. if she declines, then the man should not be obligated to pay child support, as he made it clear in advance that he did not want the child. or if youd rather he never express an opinion on abortion, then he can just say he will not provide support, and we can let the woman decide for herself whether to have the child after all. thats fair, right?
payasoinfeliz 1 month ago
I agree that a man should be able to opt out if a woman can. However I personally don't think a woman should be able to kill something just because it's an annoyance, or would change their "lifestyle." Which most of the time is why women get abortions. I also don't agree with alimony either. Just because a person got used to a certain lifestyle when you were married doesn't mean they should still be able to have that when you are no longer married.
xSamWaynex 1 month ago