Personally , having been cross trained in a variety of styles both Savate & Muay Thai are both firm favourites of mine , they both compliment the other very well...why not train in both !!
O video foi postado com a intensão de mostrar dois estilos diferentes em combate, para mim tudo depende do lutador e não da arte marcial que pratica...
The video was posted with the intention of showing two different styles of combat, for me it all depends on the fighter and not the martial art practiced
i dont think you can say one stly e is better than the other.. i just want to say both u guys faught really well and both styles are awesome.. congrats on the level at which u r both fighting at..
That aint no Muay Thai, where the fuck was them elbows and knees for? He kept throwing useless punches even though he knew his opponent was on guard and he was too aggressive on the attacking part, he forgot that his opponent could punch and kick too...
Todo un traicionero el de savate al 100%,debe de salir de alguna esquina i si no mirar en el minuto 2:18 como se acerca al medio del ring por que sabe que se reanuda, i el traicionero sin llegar a ponerse en guardia el thailandes le suelta un frontal a donde vamos a parar. (LUCHADOR DE MMA hace 5 años),desde mi punto de vista.
lol u have the best savate versus the newbie muaythai...juz looks muaythai by his shorts...maybe he has a fake newbie teacher of muaythai too who is not thai either...didnt even throw any muaythai style...go find real thai if u want the real muaythai...
@xReoNax lol, try searching for a real muay thai fighter on youtube (or maybe just send your own video), you will see everytime a moveless fighter that just stands hits. It's only logical it doesn't work on every martial art, even more on those which avoid hits ^^.
Very similar arts, both arts have hard conditicional training, this high kick technic is very dangerous. I thing the gresatest fighter is the one who can get the best of each art for the proper moment, grapping and strinking.
disqualified...mike should have been in his corner while the ref was sorting out the thai fighter and not stood just behind the ref waiting to pounce in with a haybailer shot.
@aiyer1989 agreed. But his advantage was that he moves faster than the MT dude. As all Savateurs are known to move about more fluidly. This is why I adopt a Savate approach to footwork while utilizing some MT kicks.
that is the worst example of Thai fighting I have ever seen. He should never again represent Muay Thai and the great Kindom of Thailand. He didn't utilize kicks at all and relied mostly on punches to try to subde his opponent who obviously has better kicking than him. Just pitiful . He tried and did pretty good. but obviously kicks do more damage than punches!
I didnt say that the savate dude wasnt good...im just saying this wasnt a equal match...its a sham. Im a thaiboxer and I do price fighting aaand I also know people that do savate...and my conclusion is that the muay thai fighter is fighting even beneath beginner/newcomer level. Its not like im going to defend the MT guy just because I fight muay thai. He lost and thats that. The thing is that the match up isnt good.
I also didnt say that his was bad...he just wasnt up to the task...but I totally agree with you...and thats exactly the diffrence between a good fighter and just another fighter
@BasshuterZ THANK YOU. On every style vs. style video I see the top comment is always about how the style doesn't matter. I always think "Really? Then why do Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai fighters always beat TKD fighters for instance? You think a ten-year capoeira practitioner could stand up to a 5 year boxer?" The fighter is important but the fighting style is what moulds him, and even a great fighter can be moulded the wrong way.
@NekoJinRei They are probably some nerds who are big fans of Bruce Lee,Chuck Norris,Steven Seaga,Boyka,Rambo... and they still think that these people can beat more then 2 people.
The word "its the fighter not the fighting style" comes from Bruce Lee, he said that to Inspirate all the fighters around the world so they will not lose any fate and will train harder. I train Kickboxing for over a 4 years and i can beat my ninjutsu friend(trains over 7 years) in sparring easily.sorry for bad english
@NekoJinRei yeah ur right the style really matters, but the fighter does too. a lot of tkd fighters are moulded the wrong way. tkd incorporates strong attacks, but the problem with tkd fighters is that they throw way too much kicks. if tkd fighters would punch more, they would be way better fighters
@NekoJinRei A lot of styles have flaws and merits each, what matters most regardless is training with an emphasis on realistic (but safe) sparring and cross-training to realize your flaws so you can correct them.
Like capoeira is very flashy (dance-based) but boxing lacks lower body defense. If the first lost, it's likely because of a loose guard getting a punch to the face, but if the fight stays at kick-range and focuses on smart leg attacks, a puncher-only can't cope without breaking form.
@NekoJinRei its not that simple. fights come down to the situation, training, and the individual. Styles are just a way to fight-and they do have a rock, paper, sissors type relationship. But there is no such thing as a superior style. Watch any MMA match to find that out. i have seen street fighters KO skilled muay thai fighters. I myself train in 7 martial arts currently, and have been in several sparring matches my self- won most of them.
@ikcjjtt I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I agree that the training is the most important factor, and that the individual also decides whether he wins or loses to a great extent. However, I think the style is important because it decides HOW you train and in what, while also changing the individual as a fighter. I also agree there is no single superior style. I am not here to be an MMA fanboy - I recently received a black belt in Shaolin from the World Chinese Martial Arts federation.
@NekoJinRei style is important, but it dictates how you fight- trianing can be done at home, as a matter of fact i beleive 75% should be done in your own time. pushups, stretching,cardio ,strategies, attribute training cant all be done in a 1 hour class and then have enough time to learn technqiue, spar, and do drills. How i train is mostly controlled by me, not my several styles i study. The most important facts i learned about martial arts wasnt in a dojo, it was in a MA club run by amatuers.
@NekoJinRei also training isnt uniform in any style. boxing,muay thai,BJJ, JJ,judo, karate, capoeira, JKD, wing chun, TKD, mantis wushu, bear wushu, crane, wut ever. No two schools train the same way even in the same style. So if you have one TKD school that never spars, and one that spars everyday- what becomes more important? the style of TKD? or the training recieved in it? yes, thats a real life example btw. TKD schools certainly dont dictate how one trains-there is no uniformity.
@NekoJinRei and yes, i have been to boxing schools like that, muay thai, karate, MMA schools like that, and more. Same style, but drasticly different ways of training. MAny of these style vs style videos are often full contact vs no contact. And when a normally no contact style wins (Lyoto Machida), people end up thinking it was luck or a fluke or some shit. They dont seem to realize it was the EXACT same style, just done full contact. people would be amazed at how capoeria would look like if it
@NekoJinRei too was full contact. Training pawns style all the time. You can be trained in the "Most effective self defense system in the universe," but if you never took a punch before- you cant fight or defend yourself. 99% of styles have been tested combatively, although many are watered down, the application still applies. Its the training that has changed, not the style.
@ikcjjtt Agreed! I would rather be a TKD fighter who has sparred and practiced and tested his fighting during training than a 9th degree, world champion, golden child Muay Thai fighter or something who has never trained correctly.
@Mattixxg thats true for muay thai schools in thailand, but there are plenty of TKD guys trained improperly who have made high ranks. Same thing goes for karate and kung fu, and some none commercial styles as well.
@NekoJinRei and yes, a great fighter can be "molded" the wrong way, but not through what style he uses, rather how he trains. Contrary to popular belief, there are good karate, TKD, and kung fu fighters out there, including in MMA. I have fought some of them, and yes i do train and fight MMA guys regularly. So when i say this guy is a good fighter-he's a good fighter. besides youtube is biased- i train better than those videos in real life- and have real life experience. That pawns video anyday.
@teniguafez I would agree that a capoerista trained in the right way could be effective. The only thing I have trouble with is that there seem to be very few of them. I've personally never seen an effective capoeira fighter on video or in real life. If we were to put that against someone who comes from a style with a solid reputation for efficiency and churning out good fighters, it would be a difficult match for the capoeira man. But I do understand your point about combat capoeira.
@NekoJinRei Capoeira isn't normally taught as a martial art nowadays. It's more of dance that "reenacts" fighting, if you will.
In places where you can learn capoeira as an actual fighting style, you learn that the flashy moves aren't that common in actual fighting. Most of them are counterattacks if they're used much at all.
@NekoJinRei I think it has more to do with training methods, most traditional martial arts schools train at a very family friend pace. The few that train their arts similar to boxers or muay thai fights are successful just as much as the others. Some of the best fighters in MMA today have a very solid and long back ground of karate or taekwondo. Not to mention some arts serve different purposes, karate is a civilian self defense system, tkd is just korean karate with fancy kicks.
@NekoJinRei Oh christ another closet bandwagon BJJ can't be beaten fanboy. Grow up BJJ is awesome, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Don't even try and say your not a fanboy of that art...
@NancyPelosi1954 I am a fan of BJJ. I'm not going to deny that. But I'm also a fan of kung fu, boxing, kyokushin karate, and a host of other martial arts. I actually much prefer striking to grappling, and think it's better for the real world personally. I don't know what I said to make you think I was a BJJ fanboy lol
@NekoJinRei agreed, but when talking about TKD please state the style of TKD cus i get confused, Olympic style or ITF style? Olympic has all the flashy kicks ITF has more punching, kicks and elbows but is not as well known it seems.
@NekoJinRei Taekwondo is a good basic foundation for your legs before you take up any Martial art, many great Muay Thai Martial artists out there took on Taekwondo before taking on Muay Thai, just like Judo and BJJ, with the Judo's grappling and throw, it will be extremely easy for a BJJ practitioner to beat the opponent on the ground. All martial arts have its benefits and effectiveness.
That's a very dumb comment. Muay Thai is older than Taekwondo. Most Muay Thai fighters are great kickers because of Muay Thai, not Taekwondo. Most Muay Thai fighters come from poor families so they take up the sport in order to support their families. They sign up at one of Thailand's many Muay Thai camps, not a Taekwondo dojang. Most Muay thai fighters started when they were kids and they started with Muay Thai, not Taekwondo
@ezento98 I know that, Taekwondo teaches you good kicks, while Muay Thai makes them effective, in Taekwondo, you learn how to snap your kick and kick fast while in Muay Thai you learn how to kick hard and how to swing. There is a difference. The round kick in Muay Thai is same of that to Taekwondo kick but in Taekwondo, you need to snap and withdraw your leg back, you don't need to in Muay Thai.
I called your comment earlier "very dumb" because you said most Muay Thai fighters became good kickers because they started with Taekwondo which is NOT true at all. They started with Muay Thai and they stuck with it. Again, most Muay Thai fighters started when they were kids and they only took up the sport to help support their families because well, they're poor
That's correct , TKD is the offspring of older Tae Keon , Muay Thai is directly descended from ancient Muay Boran & for weapon skills Krabbi Krabong. As used on both the Burmese & Chinese !!
@NekoJinRei You do realize that capoeiristas throw hands right? And that boxers who focus on boxing, and only boxing, have zero takedown defense or lower leg defense? No such thing as a best style, only best fighters.
@NekoJinRei So not true mate.In my many years of training(started at the age of 8,am now 25,I do know I have a long way to go) but I have witnessed many surprises.I have Muay Thai getting defeated by TKD,I have seen Jiu-Jitsu even getting beaten by a Wushu practitioner.I have seen a hard lean boxer getting owned by TKD too.I have witnessed all these and I tell you what it's beautiful every single fight of them.The fighter is important,the style do not matter entirely but it's about
@NekoJinRei practicing each method of an individual style to the best.Use it to the full potential.That is why martial artists like you and me and so many hundreds of others train in 2 or more style of fighting.The style do matter to a certain extent but the most important of all is still the fighter on his ability to fight,his confidence,his attitude,his will and so on if you know what I mean.At the end of the day,admit it rather respecting the fighting style,we respect the fighter.
@PARASK8R true that, but you must admit that there are some styles that are much more annoying than the others (in a difficult fight with way). For example, I've practiced TKD for a few years, but would still hesitate to go against a brazilian jujitsu or judo practitioner as I understand that one mistake would lead to myself in an arm bar the next second.... Or its just that I'm too noob :p
I hate when videos are titled one martial art against another. It's about the fighter, not the art. The Savate guy was just better in this case. I'm sure there are MT fighters that could kick his ass, and Savate fighters who the MT guy can beat.
i think tht it depends on the karate style mine for example is very similar to muay thai as i have dne tht also ...besides karate has been around and if ppl who used it survived to teach someone else then dnt u think it deserves to be a good martial art
i would think that muay thai is not as guwd as shotokan because muay thai is designed for ring where as karate is more of a street sport but thts just my opinion
wtf is this guy doing? is he really a MT-champion?
Then why the f'ck didn't he knee the dude when he hade the chance? I mean really, instead of hooking at 1:46 he totally should have kneed the guy and right at 1:51 the savate guy has his head DOWN, you just can't get a better chance to knee than that!
And don't tell me that it wasn't allowed because it says at the beginning of the video that it's a sanctioned WMTF-title fight.
@fuddoh if yur mad cuz u think the MT guy should of won cuz he knows MT then.................... YUR SO FUKING RIGHT. whats wrong with this guy i mean really if i were him i would of kicked more than half the time and kneed him the other half. i mean wtf. that guy did nothing but box and block kicks. that mt sucks omg he doesnt deserve to be MT champion
muay thai is overrated. its simply a style of kickboxing, but people nowadays particularly mma fans treat it as if it is the only effective eastern martial art out there. Probably because muay thai is more of a sport than a martial art, since it focuses more on body conditioning and athleticism rather than body structure and leverage.
@homomo10 Muay Thai has become a 'industry standard' because it's a kickboxing tradition which allows and teaches the most combinations of otherwise unused or forbidden strikes. Regarding the sport argument it comes down to live training, and that's worth an article not an youtube post but ring fighting is sport dominated so the training fits well. Don't think that the 'sport' concept compromises the understanding of leverage and technique; what about Judo, CACC, Boxing etc?
It's an even match. The Muay Thai fighter couldn't use much of his knees and elbows, but the Savateur was fighting without shoes, something that makes things a little harder for him. Besides it, the Muay Thai fighter made well by keeping the fight within short range. Unfortunately, he was unable to do it until the end, and was knocked out by one of those long range high kicks. Not the best fight, but the best fighter, as said.
It was a equal fight until the savateur fighter conects the first good kick..There was a irregularity in this match..The opponent must be in the corner after de protecting countdown...The Referee failed at this point..For me there is no better fight, but better fighter...
I don't know man...Do u think a person who put a muaythai shorts and the ankles on would call a mauythai fighter? I mean if that muaythai guy come to Thailand he prob get fucked by 13 yo real mauythai fighter....I'm sick of this...don't claim that you are a mauythai fighter if you don't really know how to use it...he doesn't even know how to balance in Mauythai style....I see a lot of white ppl come to Thailand to learn it n they are doing a lot better than this
lol this Muay Thai Vs Savate???? no elbows whre are the clinchess?S?S? this is thay box whith handcuffs lol he cant do shit this is not even funny to watch but>> the thai boxer accepedt the figth so now you see if you see a fight
muay thai whith handcuffs on you lose if you see a real muay thai vs savate
these matches deeply depends on fighters, not so much of the martial art, but if the rules were same as in mixed martial art fights (as they should be) this video would have been much more interesting from both point of viewes
This is no muay thai, you can grab and throw... This is just a boxing fight. Even with the glove you can block and thrown your opposent on the floor. this is so stupid as fight.
it doesnt matter who has the so-called " disadvantage"...what really matters is who can manipulate their martial-art better...im pretty sure if the savate guy went up against a better thai boxer, savate guy would've lost
the muay thai guy was slow n kept doing powerful swing he want to knock the savate guy out with one blow, but the savate guy was faster n had better foot work an combination.
I think it looks pathetic when a westener dresses in thai tradition and plays that annoying thai music...
tripptytripper 4 days ago
this was fun to watch when the ref wasn't in between the fighters and the camera.
yokiyokiay 2 months ago
Personally , having been cross trained in a variety of styles both Savate & Muay Thai are both firm favourites of mine , they both compliment the other very well...why not train in both !!
KEVWARD63 2 months ago
dam that would of been awesome in hd
codycim 2 months ago
O video foi postado com a intensão de mostrar dois estilos diferentes em combate, para mim tudo depende do lutador e não da arte marcial que pratica...
The video was posted with the intention of showing two different styles of combat, for me it all depends on the fighter and not the martial art practiced
stvedavid 3 months ago 4
@stvedavid : ecxelente observação.
juliano6075 2 weeks ago
i dont think you can say one stly e is better than the other.. i just want to say both u guys faught really well and both styles are awesome.. congrats on the level at which u r both fighting at..
hostagesoflife 3 months ago
Why isn't the savate guy wearing his gear??
Dimitri0809 4 months ago
@Dimitri0809 sadly because savate is awesome but savate gear is gay
wfcxtoxic 3 months ago
@wfcxtoxic
As opossed to shorts..
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
@wfcxtoxic
As opossed to gay looking shorts and half naked look, I don't think savate is gay but I think just wearing shorts is pretty gay.
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
2:22 for awesome.
alleseigentlich 4 months ago
That was a really good fight. Both fighters performed well.
9mizzle 4 months ago
Both Fighters were Great!
starvinstev 4 months ago
That aint no Muay Thai, where the fuck was them elbows and knees for? He kept throwing useless punches even though he knew his opponent was on guard and he was too aggressive on the attacking part, he forgot that his opponent could punch and kick too...
ArDemento 5 months ago
muay thai fighter was rushing the fight too much
pawdregry4g 5 months ago
ควย
DancEsonic 5 months ago
They use the expert of Savate , but they use Muay Thai rookie.
This way Savate can win easily.
gregus766 5 months ago
Savate > Muay Thai.
Castryxz 5 months ago
@Castryxz i lol'd!!! savate is ghay!
daytonafreakboy 5 months ago
Savate=/=TKD
spdeew 5 months ago
TKD worshiper love to compare their whitebelt days with blackbelt days. They also love rare cases with good/bad luck.
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
TKD is a shit imitation of Karate. Why we have to talk about TKD here ?
MT >= OtherMA >>>> TKD
Hawaii0407 5 months ago
Todo un traicionero el de savate al 100%,debe de salir de alguna esquina i si no mirar en el minuto 2:18 como se acerca al medio del ring por que sabe que se reanuda, i el traicionero sin llegar a ponerse en guardia el thailandes le suelta un frontal a donde vamos a parar. (LUCHADOR DE MMA hace 5 años),desde mi punto de vista.
naiara2003 6 months ago
that "muay thai" fighter didn't even use "muay thai" style.
kaox44 6 months ago
Muay Thai for life!
pablocoon 6 months ago
Wow i am a Muay Thai Fighter and he just dishonored Muay Thai! but good fight
Mattdelux07 6 months ago
lol u have the best savate versus the newbie muaythai...juz looks muaythai by his shorts...maybe he has a fake newbie teacher of muaythai too who is not thai either...didnt even throw any muaythai style...go find real thai if u want the real muaythai...
xReoNax 6 months ago 3
@xReoNax lol, try searching for a real muay thai fighter on youtube (or maybe just send your own video), you will see everytime a moveless fighter that just stands hits. It's only logical it doesn't work on every martial art, even more on those which avoid hits ^^.
ramening 6 months ago
Nice fight between Thai and French kickboxing. Thanks for the upload.
xjxm 7 months ago
good fight, but bad ref. I agree with redtom43.
nathanbrown19 7 months ago
action 0:49 :)
A1R2T3O4 7 months ago
@BasshuterZ no it's not the fighting style I don't know how the hell you get 3 thumps up
kngfufighting 7 months ago
Very similar arts, both arts have hard conditicional training, this high kick technic is very dangerous. I thing the gresatest fighter is the one who can get the best of each art for the proper moment, grapping and strinking.
TheJayyBe 7 months ago
That last kick was brutal, I'll give you that one.
khasseki 7 months ago
disqualified...mike should have been in his corner while the ref was sorting out the thai fighter and not stood just behind the ref waiting to pounce in with a haybailer shot.
redtom43 8 months ago
@redtom43 estoy contigo!
naiara2003 6 months ago
me la pelan zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
duque101nuker 8 months ago
Amazing! XD
mrpropereducation 8 months ago
Muay w/o Elbows and Knees???? he had like so good chances to throw knees and he didn't what a muay that fighter lol?
kristokas3 8 months ago
@kristokas3 he can't, savate rules
mrpropereducation 8 months ago
@mrpropereducation Then you cant really call Muay Thai vs Savate:D
kristokas3 8 months ago
@kristokas3 The savateur was put at a disadvantage as well. The abscence of shoes completely changes his kicking game.
aiyer1989 8 months ago
@aiyer1989 agreed. But his advantage was that he moves faster than the MT dude. As all Savateurs are known to move about more fluidly. This is why I adopt a Savate approach to footwork while utilizing some MT kicks.
thomas007 7 months ago
@mrpropereducation No, kickboxing rules. If it were savate rules then they would be wearing boots.
aiyer1989 8 months ago
@kristokas3 it's an amateur fight, knees to the head aren't allowed from the clinch, and elbows to the head are illegal from anywhere
coolhand9876 8 months ago
bull shit
TheArgonautas 8 months ago
bullshit fight
72thanasis 8 months ago
is the muay thai guy allowed to elbow or knee because he's barely doing it
acolade22 8 months ago
that is the worst example of Thai fighting I have ever seen. He should never again represent Muay Thai and the great Kindom of Thailand. He didn't utilize kicks at all and relied mostly on punches to try to subde his opponent who obviously has better kicking than him. Just pitiful . He tried and did pretty good. but obviously kicks do more damage than punches!
systemsevil 8 months ago
WOOOW, I bet every thai boxer in the world felt that high kick that day.
EL3minutero 8 months ago
Savate guy needs more leg action.
Nemesis0300 9 months ago
The real Muay Thai vs Savate is :
Pennacchio(world savate champion) vs Dekker (world Muay Thai champion) (1996).
tvbmtvnc 9 months ago
@tvbmtvnc who won?
chrisgood2go 8 months ago
@chrisgood2go Pennachio.
tvbmtvnc 8 months ago
Well that's not really matching them in all out technique
vincenthuijts 9 months ago
should have used that Muay Thai Clinch (if the rules allowed it).
Savate guy nice.
moorishjedi 10 months ago
mettez un thai contre le mec de la savate vous verrer que c'est pas la même chose..
l'americain n'utilise ni ses coude ni ses genoux. on dirait plus qu'il fait de l'anglaise
marion9397 10 months ago
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bank9817 10 months ago
bullcrap...this dude didnt look like legitimite muay thai fighter...I didnt see one knee or decent combo....
SerbUnity 10 months ago
@SerbUnity savate dude was simply a better fighter no excuses :)
alikersantti78 10 months ago
@alikersantti78
I didnt say that the savate dude wasnt good...im just saying this wasnt a equal match...its a sham. Im a thaiboxer and I do price fighting aaand I also know people that do savate...and my conclusion is that the muay thai fighter is fighting even beneath beginner/newcomer level. Its not like im going to defend the MT guy just because I fight muay thai. He lost and thats that. The thing is that the match up isnt good.
SerbUnity 10 months ago
@SerbUnity MT guy wasn't that bad, in my opinion. But he didn't fight that smart, tried to finish fast pushed hard and got KOed.
alikersantti78 10 months ago
@alikersantti78
I also didnt say that his was bad...he just wasnt up to the task...but I totally agree with you...and thats exactly the diffrence between a good fighter and just another fighter
SerbUnity 10 months ago
its the fighter not the fighting style
PARASK8R 10 months ago 30
@PARASK8R Its the fighting style and its up to who is teaching you the technique... i dont know how the hell you get 12 Thumbs-up!
BasshuterZ 8 months ago 2
@BasshuterZ THANK YOU. On every style vs. style video I see the top comment is always about how the style doesn't matter. I always think "Really? Then why do Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai fighters always beat TKD fighters for instance? You think a ten-year capoeira practitioner could stand up to a 5 year boxer?" The fighter is important but the fighting style is what moulds him, and even a great fighter can be moulded the wrong way.
NekoJinRei 8 months ago 23
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@NekoJinRei They are probably some nerds who are big fans of Bruce Lee,Chuck Norris,Steven Seaga,Boyka,Rambo... and they still think that these people can beat more then 2 people.
The word "its the fighter not the fighting style" comes from Bruce Lee, he said that to Inspirate all the fighters around the world so they will not lose any fate and will train harder. I train Kickboxing for over a 4 years and i can beat my ninjutsu friend(trains over 7 years) in sparring easily.sorry for bad english
BasshuterZ 8 months ago 2
@NekoJinRei yeah ur right the style really matters, but the fighter does too. a lot of tkd fighters are moulded the wrong way. tkd incorporates strong attacks, but the problem with tkd fighters is that they throw way too much kicks. if tkd fighters would punch more, they would be way better fighters
Gangsta28RLZ 8 months ago
@Gangsta28RLZ Actually, TKD fighters do learn punches and use them alot.
hazza3 8 months ago
@Gangsta28RLZ I agree completely.
NekoJinRei 8 months ago
@NekoJinRei A lot of styles have flaws and merits each, what matters most regardless is training with an emphasis on realistic (but safe) sparring and cross-training to realize your flaws so you can correct them.
Like capoeira is very flashy (dance-based) but boxing lacks lower body defense. If the first lost, it's likely because of a loose guard getting a punch to the face, but if the fight stays at kick-range and focuses on smart leg attacks, a puncher-only can't cope without breaking form.
xjxm 7 months ago
@xjxm So true. It's good to see someone thinking intelligently on YouTube instead of just arguing and asserting themselves as correct.
NekoJinRei 6 months ago
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@NekoJinRei
"You think a ten-year capoeira practitioner could stand up to a 5 year boxer?"
Why do you think they couldn't?
glaringman 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei its not that simple. fights come down to the situation, training, and the individual. Styles are just a way to fight-and they do have a rock, paper, sissors type relationship. But there is no such thing as a superior style. Watch any MMA match to find that out. i have seen street fighters KO skilled muay thai fighters. I myself train in 7 martial arts currently, and have been in several sparring matches my self- won most of them.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@ikcjjtt I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I agree that the training is the most important factor, and that the individual also decides whether he wins or loses to a great extent. However, I think the style is important because it decides HOW you train and in what, while also changing the individual as a fighter. I also agree there is no single superior style. I am not here to be an MMA fanboy - I recently received a black belt in Shaolin from the World Chinese Martial Arts federation.
NekoJinRei 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei style is important, but it dictates how you fight- trianing can be done at home, as a matter of fact i beleive 75% should be done in your own time. pushups, stretching,cardio ,strategies, attribute training cant all be done in a 1 hour class and then have enough time to learn technqiue, spar, and do drills. How i train is mostly controlled by me, not my several styles i study. The most important facts i learned about martial arts wasnt in a dojo, it was in a MA club run by amatuers.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei also training isnt uniform in any style. boxing,muay thai,BJJ, JJ,judo, karate, capoeira, JKD, wing chun, TKD, mantis wushu, bear wushu, crane, wut ever. No two schools train the same way even in the same style. So if you have one TKD school that never spars, and one that spars everyday- what becomes more important? the style of TKD? or the training recieved in it? yes, thats a real life example btw. TKD schools certainly dont dictate how one trains-there is no uniformity.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei and yes, i have been to boxing schools like that, muay thai, karate, MMA schools like that, and more. Same style, but drasticly different ways of training. MAny of these style vs style videos are often full contact vs no contact. And when a normally no contact style wins (Lyoto Machida), people end up thinking it was luck or a fluke or some shit. They dont seem to realize it was the EXACT same style, just done full contact. people would be amazed at how capoeria would look like if it
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei too was full contact. Training pawns style all the time. You can be trained in the "Most effective self defense system in the universe," but if you never took a punch before- you cant fight or defend yourself. 99% of styles have been tested combatively, although many are watered down, the application still applies. Its the training that has changed, not the style.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@ikcjjtt Agreed! I would rather be a TKD fighter who has sparred and practiced and tested his fighting during training than a 9th degree, world champion, golden child Muay Thai fighter or something who has never trained correctly.
NekoJinRei 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei
a 9th degree MT fighter trained improperly isnt going to make the 9th degree in the first place.
Id still prefer MT over TKD any day o fthe week.
Mattixxg 6 months ago
@Mattixxg thats true for muay thai schools in thailand, but there are plenty of TKD guys trained improperly who have made high ranks. Same thing goes for karate and kung fu, and some none commercial styles as well.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei and yes, a great fighter can be "molded" the wrong way, but not through what style he uses, rather how he trains. Contrary to popular belief, there are good karate, TKD, and kung fu fighters out there, including in MMA. I have fought some of them, and yes i do train and fight MMA guys regularly. So when i say this guy is a good fighter-he's a good fighter. besides youtube is biased- i train better than those videos in real life- and have real life experience. That pawns video anyday.
ikcjjtt 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei If the capoeirista knows WTF he's doing, then yes.
Combat capoeira is not what you see in YouTube videos. Those are show matches.
teniguafez 6 months ago
@teniguafez I would agree that a capoerista trained in the right way could be effective. The only thing I have trouble with is that there seem to be very few of them. I've personally never seen an effective capoeira fighter on video or in real life. If we were to put that against someone who comes from a style with a solid reputation for efficiency and churning out good fighters, it would be a difficult match for the capoeira man. But I do understand your point about combat capoeira.
NekoJinRei 6 months ago
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teniguafez 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei Capoeira isn't normally taught as a martial art nowadays. It's more of dance that "reenacts" fighting, if you will.
In places where you can learn capoeira as an actual fighting style, you learn that the flashy moves aren't that common in actual fighting. Most of them are counterattacks if they're used much at all.
teniguafez 6 months ago
@NekoJinRei I think it has more to do with training methods, most traditional martial arts schools train at a very family friend pace. The few that train their arts similar to boxers or muay thai fights are successful just as much as the others. Some of the best fighters in MMA today have a very solid and long back ground of karate or taekwondo. Not to mention some arts serve different purposes, karate is a civilian self defense system, tkd is just korean karate with fancy kicks.
ACLogikel 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei Oh christ another closet bandwagon BJJ can't be beaten fanboy. Grow up BJJ is awesome, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Don't even try and say your not a fanboy of that art...
NancyPelosi1954 5 months ago
@NancyPelosi1954 I am a fan of BJJ. I'm not going to deny that. But I'm also a fan of kung fu, boxing, kyokushin karate, and a host of other martial arts. I actually much prefer striking to grappling, and think it's better for the real world personally. I don't know what I said to make you think I was a BJJ fanboy lol
NekoJinRei 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei A fan of Kyokushin is a good person, your okay in my book.
NancyPelosi1954 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei agreed, but when talking about TKD please state the style of TKD cus i get confused, Olympic style or ITF style? Olympic has all the flashy kicks ITF has more punching, kicks and elbows but is not as well known it seems.
UWantSandwich 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei Taekwondo is a good basic foundation for your legs before you take up any Martial art, many great Muay Thai Martial artists out there took on Taekwondo before taking on Muay Thai, just like Judo and BJJ, with the Judo's grappling and throw, it will be extremely easy for a BJJ practitioner to beat the opponent on the ground. All martial arts have its benefits and effectiveness.
ArDemento 5 months ago
@ArDemento
That's a very dumb comment. Muay Thai is older than Taekwondo. Most Muay Thai fighters are great kickers because of Muay Thai, not Taekwondo. Most Muay Thai fighters come from poor families so they take up the sport in order to support their families. They sign up at one of Thailand's many Muay Thai camps, not a Taekwondo dojang. Most Muay thai fighters started when they were kids and they started with Muay Thai, not Taekwondo
ezento98 5 months ago
@ezento98 I know that, Taekwondo teaches you good kicks, while Muay Thai makes them effective, in Taekwondo, you learn how to snap your kick and kick fast while in Muay Thai you learn how to kick hard and how to swing. There is a difference. The round kick in Muay Thai is same of that to Taekwondo kick but in Taekwondo, you need to snap and withdraw your leg back, you don't need to in Muay Thai.
ArDemento 5 months ago
@ArDemento
I called your comment earlier "very dumb" because you said most Muay Thai fighters became good kickers because they started with Taekwondo which is NOT true at all. They started with Muay Thai and they stuck with it. Again, most Muay Thai fighters started when they were kids and they only took up the sport to help support their families because well, they're poor
ezento98 4 months ago
@ArDemento The Muay Thai kick is very different from Taekwondo brother, watch a real Muay Thai fight or a Muay Boran fighting style video.
Shyuum 4 months ago
@Shyuum Yeah i know that, haha, i explained it in another comment of mind, thanks for telling me anyway
ArDemento 4 months ago
@ezento98
That's correct , TKD is the offspring of older Tae Keon , Muay Thai is directly descended from ancient Muay Boran & for weapon skills Krabbi Krabong. As used on both the Burmese & Chinese !!
KEVWARD63 2 months ago
@NekoJinRei You do realize that capoeiristas throw hands right? And that boxers who focus on boxing, and only boxing, have zero takedown defense or lower leg defense? No such thing as a best style, only best fighters.
scoccerguy15 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei P.S. If you'd like video examples of Capoeira beating boxing/kickboxing, I'll gladly provide you with a few.
scoccerguy15 5 months ago
@NekoJinRei So not true mate.In my many years of training(started at the age of 8,am now 25,I do know I have a long way to go) but I have witnessed many surprises.I have Muay Thai getting defeated by TKD,I have seen Jiu-Jitsu even getting beaten by a Wushu practitioner.I have seen a hard lean boxer getting owned by TKD too.I have witnessed all these and I tell you what it's beautiful every single fight of them.The fighter is important,the style do not matter entirely but it's about
rustedgod 3 weeks ago
@NekoJinRei practicing each method of an individual style to the best.Use it to the full potential.That is why martial artists like you and me and so many hundreds of others train in 2 or more style of fighting.The style do matter to a certain extent but the most important of all is still the fighter on his ability to fight,his confidence,his attitude,his will and so on if you know what I mean.At the end of the day,admit it rather respecting the fighting style,we respect the fighter.
rustedgod 3 weeks ago
@PARASK8R true that, but you must admit that there are some styles that are much more annoying than the others (in a difficult fight with way). For example, I've practiced TKD for a few years, but would still hesitate to go against a brazilian jujitsu or judo practitioner as I understand that one mistake would lead to myself in an arm bar the next second.... Or its just that I'm too noob :p
gundamfreakadr 6 months ago
Fuck savate And fuck these 130pound faggets Wheres the Real Muay Thai At.
pmc1416 11 months ago
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I hate when videos are titled one martial art against another. It's about the fighter, not the art. The Savate guy was just better in this case. I'm sure there are MT fighters that could kick his ass, and Savate fighters who the MT guy can beat.
TheCircle000 11 months ago
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TheCircle000 11 months ago
uhm.. i understand its the tradition but still.. why would bunch of white people listen to peeaaauuwaaauuu music unless they re in thailand?A?!?
ookami3380 11 months ago
@ookami3380 maybe it's for the fighters.
twsty123456 11 months ago
@twsty123456 which are both americans
ookami3380 11 months ago
@ookami3380 I reeeeeeeeeeeally don't see what the issue is? :I
twsty123456 11 months ago
@twsty123456 well maybe they would prefer some kanye west or kesha instead of pweeeauuauuauu..
im just sayin... ;)
ookami3380 11 months ago
@ookami3380 hahaa maybe :P
twsty123456 11 months ago
at last it depends on the fighter not on the sport
moxigen 11 months ago
i think tht it depends on the karate style mine for example is very similar to muay thai as i have dne tht also ...besides karate has been around and if ppl who used it survived to teach someone else then dnt u think it deserves to be a good martial art
SilenTwolF23100 11 months ago
very interesting fight.
AndreiYudin70 11 months ago
i would think that muay thai is not as guwd as shotokan because muay thai is designed for ring where as karate is more of a street sport but thts just my opinion
SilenTwolF23100 11 months ago
@SilenTwolF23100 I would say,as to hand-hit,evading and feint technique,every boxing - french,english,thai one - is superior to karate.
AndreiYudin70 11 months ago
lol look at all the butthurt muay thai fighters.
Drahgoon 1 year ago
1:56-2:26
Rattleheadddddd 1 year ago
wtf is this guy doing? is he really a MT-champion?
Then why the f'ck didn't he knee the dude when he hade the chance? I mean really, instead of hooking at 1:46 he totally should have kneed the guy and right at 1:51 the savate guy has his head DOWN, you just can't get a better chance to knee than that!
And don't tell me that it wasn't allowed because it says at the beginning of the video that it's a sanctioned WMTF-title fight.
fuddoh 1 year ago
@fuddoh if yur mad cuz u think the MT guy should of won cuz he knows MT then.................... YUR SO FUKING RIGHT. whats wrong with this guy i mean really if i were him i would of kicked more than half the time and kneed him the other half. i mean wtf. that guy did nothing but box and block kicks. that mt sucks omg he doesnt deserve to be MT champion
navyteccs 1 year ago
@navyteccs He sent more powerful strikes, kept his head down, and didn't overextend himself. He deserved his win.
MerlinsJester 1 year ago
@MerlinsJester so true but this guy is a bad representative of mauy thai
navyteccs 1 year ago
@navyteccs, shut up you thick cunt. You can't spell for shit.
007hor 11 months ago
@007hor anyways
navyteccs 11 months ago
that fool didnt even stay in his corner, what a dumb ass reff. well savate guy capitalized on the mauy thia fighters daze
kennithherrick 1 year ago
that really was an impressive performance, well done.
chipsmcgee 1 year ago
puedes ser k el de el canzoncillo negro sea ramon dekker
viscakalo 1 year ago
muay thai means thai boxing
hasham360 1 year ago
muay thai is overrated. its simply a style of kickboxing, but people nowadays particularly mma fans treat it as if it is the only effective eastern martial art out there. Probably because muay thai is more of a sport than a martial art, since it focuses more on body conditioning and athleticism rather than body structure and leverage.
homomo10 1 year ago
@homomo10 Muay Thai has become a 'industry standard' because it's a kickboxing tradition which allows and teaches the most combinations of otherwise unused or forbidden strikes. Regarding the sport argument it comes down to live training, and that's worth an article not an youtube post but ring fighting is sport dominated so the training fits well. Don't think that the 'sport' concept compromises the understanding of leverage and technique; what about Judo, CACC, Boxing etc?
cruiserxess 1 year ago
Cara ladrão o juiz mal deu o fight o cara ainda tava olhando pro juiz dai o cara chega e da um chute -_-'
deividrosa 1 year ago
la savate gagne toujours
FabuleuxFab88 1 year ago
It's an even match. The Muay Thai fighter couldn't use much of his knees and elbows, but the Savateur was fighting without shoes, something that makes things a little harder for him. Besides it, the Muay Thai fighter made well by keeping the fight within short range. Unfortunately, he was unable to do it until the end, and was knocked out by one of those long range high kicks. Not the best fight, but the best fighter, as said.
LoLisTheMyth 1 year ago
Nah it was the man who won, not the style......I would still bet on a champion Muay Thia fighter over a Savate one.
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
MUAY THAI FOR RVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posranypl 1 year ago
It was a equal fight until the savateur fighter conects the first good kick..There was a irregularity in this match..The opponent must be in the corner after de protecting countdown...The Referee failed at this point..For me there is no better fight, but better fighter...
andreoliveira1969 1 year ago
This is so wrong, just wrong. Should've been the other way around =\
JVThrillz 1 year ago
Savate is like lightning.
TemplarX2 1 year ago
le mec qui fait du thai c une merde
woodymirthil 1 year ago
The Thai fighter was white and his name wasn;'t Ramon Dekker lol , but seriously its the practitioner more than the art 99/100.
TreyMMA 1 year ago
u don't know what's THAIBOXING .
Xunxiiz 1 year ago
These kinds of title are so stupid...
Kruggification 1 year ago
I wonder the muay thai guy didn't do much kicking to the lower extremities.
Tagukon 1 year ago
ไม่ใช้ คนไทย ก็ ต่อยยังงี้แหละ
Moonaboy1 1 year ago
Hate these MA vs MA doesn't say shit.
KingObould 1 year ago
@KingObould I agree, it only tells us who is a the better fighter, it doesnt say anything about the MA to any of the fighters
yoga680 1 year ago
I don't know man...Do u think a person who put a muaythai shorts and the ankles on would call a mauythai fighter? I mean if that muaythai guy come to Thailand he prob get fucked by 13 yo real mauythai fighter....I'm sick of this...don't claim that you are a mauythai fighter if you don't really know how to use it...he doesn't even know how to balance in Mauythai style....I see a lot of white ppl come to Thailand to learn it n they are doing a lot better than this
0thaistick0 1 year ago
lol this Muay Thai Vs Savate???? no elbows whre are the clinchess?S?S? this is thay box whith handcuffs lol he cant do shit this is not even funny to watch but>> the thai boxer accepedt the figth so now you see if you see a fight
muay thai whith handcuffs on you lose if you see a real muay thai vs savate
savate will cry out becous off HArd paIN
TravaUser 1 year ago
@TravaUser
Lol. Savate uses the elbows as well, dude.
RWBn00b 1 year ago
these matches deeply depends on fighters, not so much of the martial art, but if the rules were same as in mixed martial art fights (as they should be) this video would have been much more interesting from both point of viewes
marspars 1 year ago
FAKE video !!!
It's not real MUAY THAI !!!
nununu072 1 year ago
this guy is not a muay thai fighter.. idk who teaches this damn fool but they didn't teach him the right way smh
Darrielm 1 year ago
savate is surrender monkeys shit traditional marshall arts
we knows it
GODKHaaaaaaN 1 year ago
Muay Thai fighter had good defence, could beat Savateur. This first look like strange. He did not use kicks... STRANGE
sbircione1 1 year ago
Must have been hard for the muay thai guy to fight in a whole new way. Still he had some pretty nice moves ;)
Fabzil 1 year ago
¿que es esa música tan atrós?
tmsods 1 year ago
This is no muay thai, you can grab and throw... This is just a boxing fight. Even with the glove you can block and thrown your opposent on the floor. this is so stupid as fight.
darkn3ss77 1 year ago
it doesnt matter who has the so-called " disadvantage"...what really matters is who can manipulate their martial-art better...im pretty sure if the savate guy went up against a better thai boxer, savate guy would've lost
LatinoXRocker 1 year ago
Que Thai mais mixuruca.
cogumetal 1 year ago
i dont care who won this fight everyone who watched this fucking video knows muay thai is the best. its shits on everything
poppingpro40 1 year ago
whats with that muslim music? no wonder theyre crazy
ItsKgZach 1 year ago
@ItsKgZach
dude wtf thats actually thai music. And it is usually played in a lot of southern Asian countries during fights.
Kirillcankicker 1 year ago
@ItsKgZach that was not muslim music
gottaLOVEBrazJJ 1 year ago
@gottaLOVEBrazJJ It's thai music not muslim music
Darrielm 1 year ago
@gottaLOVEBrazJJ you r correct he doesn't know any better ignore him dont argue lol
Darrielm 1 year ago
the muay thai guy was slow n kept doing powerful swing he want to knock the savate guy out with one blow, but the savate guy was faster n had better foot work an combination.
sanddocon 1 year ago