Awesome video! A lot of Japanese Kata's have videos showing the practical applications of the moves from the form, but its very hard to find videos of the same thing for Taekwondo forms. Very nicely done, I would love to see more of these! Excellent job!!
PS This video helps me especially since this is the current form I am learning! Noah
I like the interpertation of the Do San pattern. I think that is the first time me ever seeing the grab chock. I use to the pattern having a double outer forarm block. History of TKD is so far out there who to say what is right and what is wrong. I think since the forms where created that the General Choi, and whom ever was there to create the first forms of chang hann must of put a twist on it. This is what I have heard before. That is why every organization is different.
Very good application from my view point. I thing that it depends on the talent of the person applying it as to how effective Do San can be. Well done.
I am a Red Stripe, and I really enjoyed watching the flow of the Tul. It was graceful and the speed made observing the footwork much easier. I thought that its use was fully explained by the application interpretations...which I did not fully know.
I am training with Red Tiger TKD ITF in Philadelphia, PA. Sa Bum Nim Marcello Concelliere ( a World Champion in forms) manages the Do Jang under his father, Mario. Sa Bum Nim is a joy to watch perform Tuls. He & father are very patient.
It may seem like am moaning, but am not really. In all honesty, i can't complain too much as there aren't many/any Tae kwon do tul hae sul/boonhae videos online. The closest i find are the Shotokan kata bunkai vids, which do prove to be useful, as we theoretically have the same moves as them, just put in different orders and with differing intentions. If anyone does know where i can find more Tul application videos, please let me know.
Similarly, the double punch/doo jirugi, could be exchanged for a neck break. Although, that all depends on the situation you find yourself in, and what your intentions are. I do really like the double rising block-into-arm lock application. Agreed, the techniques have to be tweaked slightly to work for different purposes, but finding out where/how changes need to be made is all part of the fun.
These are what i would term as the "base level" of applications for this pattern. Having read "Chang hon hae sul" myself, I'm suprised to see that the front kicks were not shortened to morup chagi (knee kick/kaunde knee strike). Not to say that a front kick can't be used or is impractical, just that after doing a wedging block/hechyo makgi (might i add, those are some unusual looking wedging blocks you have there) you would be more likely to still be within close quaters with your opponent.
@sybiko I haven't been able to nail it down 100%, I offer insight as to why my wedging block looks weird. Larry Whitener (TKD) and Dave Nichols (Shorin-Ryu) ran a school together, and it may have been changed from a w/block to a collar choke after Nichols shared the collar choke, which he learned from Robert Yarnell (Shorin-Ryu) and Ed Parker Jr. (US Kempo). Another is that Steen/Burleson changed it when conversing with Norris, who had practiced Judo before TKD. I'm working on finding the shift.
This was a good, well done, I liked the way that you slowed the pattern right down for demo/instruction purposes and then translated the parts of the pattern to viable working solutions. Thanks I've just had torn all the ligaments in my right foot and had three months of nothing, no patterns at all. I've used your vids to retrain.
@alve1198 TKD originally did not contain sine-wave punches. The sine-wave punch came along because Gen. Choi attempted to distinguish TKD from Shotokan. Read a book, then I'll make a new video.
@alve1198 Sing wave is a joke! I been in TKD since 1975 and I have never done SW and the Gen told me himself that Due to my Dan ranking I didnt need to learn it as it was simply a new way to distinguish his TKD from other TKD and Shotokan. SW has no advantages that I can see. The older way is much better faster and holds better timming.
@jiggahippo thats true about the sine wave but I guarantee gen choi never admitted that,he was completely blinkered about tkd,he always tried to say it was proven by experiment when it was not.
This is a good of traditional apps here! One difference that I've spotted is with the straight spear finger thrust. If you shove it forward you're relying a lot less on strength as the grip is weakened by having to hold a larger portion of the arm. really liking the throw for the last couple of steps as well! One that I had (amazing I know), not actually thought of myself to be honest! :)
@HapkidoJosh The construction of the Chang Hon patterns is clearly an indication of the common origins of TKD and Hapkido. I HIGHLY suggest buying Anslow's book. If I win the lottery, I'll send you a copy.
@terminaltoad While I see values in forms, is this really the best way to practice these moves. Granted if you only have time to practice alone at least you are doing something. But wouldn't partner training be more efficient.
Why do you think the applications for these forms are relatively hidden or why have instructors been given insufficient applications for these forms?
@HapkidoJosh I agree 100% that partner training is far more valuable than pattern training. To answer your first question, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you can use one technique to handle multiple scenarios, you have a much more powerful tool. Look at Krav Maga's "Valley Drop" and "Quick Release." One simply requires that an opponent be behind you and touching you, and the other that they point a pistol at you (left hand, right, both, 360 degrees about).
@HapkidoJosh For your second question, look at AndersonChan84's comment below. Once the ITF split from the mainstream, Choi made his encyclopedia as the "foremost authority" of pattern application. However, many applications were lost because he changed how moves were done to distinguish TKD from Karate. Look at the rising and low blocks. You must understand Shotokan to understand the patterns original meaning. This is why modern ITF instructors don't understand & alternate applications.
@terminaltoad Couple the fact that the ITF doesn't have a single unifying body with it's decreasing popularity due to the WTF and Olympic TKD, and you end up with katas as relics that few even care to understand. Instructors go where the money is, and the money is in competition. This lead to instructors teaching competition strategy over kata application.
@terminaltoad In summation, you have students who don't want to learn kata applications because they're not valuable in competition, teachers not wanting to teach what they know because it isn't profitable, and others who teach the applications as laid down by Choi's encyclopedia which do not credit Shotokan's contribution and stray from their original application. Carry this process out for 40 years, and an entire history is lost.
@terminaltoad there was only 1 itf from 1966 until 2002,is that long enough?Kata should be forgotten about and the applications if they even worked just practised with a partner with increasing resistance levels.I cant see how intelligent men who are supposed to be figters dont see this.The answer is that they are not fighters but fantasists.
@scarred10 A lot of what you've said is either misinformed or just plain wrong. About combat, the patterns were created by Nam Tae Hi, a man decorated for killing Chinese with his bare hands during the Korean War. The Korean Blue Dragon, Tiger, and White Horse Divisions trained exclusively in TKD and simulated Vietnamese jungles and dominated during Vietnam. It was later used by the KCIA during the 60s. The kicks of TKD were used by Bas Rutten to develop his style, by Cung Le in SS.
@terminaltoad Rutten kicks thai style and before that kyokushin,he rarely if ever used tkd in a full contact match.Whether or ot nam tae Hi developed patterns or not is irrelevant they were shotokan anyway which were crap to begin with ,all trad arts are based on crap,they didnt fight in training due to the lack of protective equipment.No soldier in warfare is without some type of weapon,so hand to hand is rarely tested.
@scarred10 Ok, let's just take your BS line by line:
"Rutten kicks thai style and before that kyokushin,he rarely if ever used tkd in a full contact match." Ok, what stance was he in. If he was standing, 99% front stance, 1% Rutten Jump. Where did he learn his stance? TKD, not MT, not Kyo. And how many open handed strikes are in MT? 0. And did he become the best body striker in mma through MT, or TKD/Kyo? Answers itself.
@terminaltoad my dear lad ,the only reason he struck with an open hand is that punches to head were banned in pancrase where bas had nearly all his fights,it wasnt mma.No tkd uses open hand full contact headshots.Bas used his own version of a fighting stance its not any kind of trad stance,that would be useless due to rigidity.Bas would never credit tkd with anything he achieved in mma or pancrase,having spent 17 yrs in the Itf and even fought a thai match during that tie,tkd is weak ass.
@scarred10 "my dear lad ,the only reason he struck with an open hand is that punches to head were banned in pancrase where bas had nearly all his fights,it wasnt mma"
1 Yes, closed fist strikes were illegal in Pancrase, just like open-handed strikes were illegal in UFC until last year
2 Pancrase IS mma. Google it, dumbass.
3 You didn't answer the question. Where did his open-hand techniques come from? TKD/Kyo.
@terminaltoad all strikes to the head were always allowed in the ufc,in ufc 9 they were actually compelled to only use the open hand due to a last minute law passed in detroit to outlaw head punches at a time when nobody wore mma gloves
@scarred10 "No tkd uses open hand full contact headshots."
You are clearly an idiot. Rhee legacy schools in the midwest ALL have headshots at all levels and ages. 18+ has full face contact, front leg sweeps, and the groin is a legal target. Only WTF/Olympic TKD and Kumite don't have hands-to-head.
@terminaltoad rhee legacy schools arent itf,only itf is tkd,the rest are offshoots and could be teaching anything now.Anyhow,no tkd nor virtually any art at all allows full contact open hand shots in sparring,its always gloved fist if heavy conatct is allowed.If the groin is a legal target they are retarded,even a guard wont prevent a full shot.
@scarred10 Fact: Choi BEGGED Rhee to take over the ITF. Rhee was highly respected by Choi. Rhee, to this day, teaches TKD as it was taught to him. That said, everything else you stated is wrong, again showing your total ineptitude. In a fight, 3 things happen: punch to face, kick to groin, & takedowns. Allowing groin contact keeps it real (like in the original UFC).
@terminaltoad seeing as rhee(jhoon rhee i presume) has been out of the itf since the early 70s,its very unlikely choi wanted him to take over anything,choi was a complete dictator,he had to die to quit.In tkd the punches are useless,the takedowns are useless/non existant and anyone can kick the groin.Choi never taught anyone to punch properly or takedown because he never could himself.
@scarred10 Are you still gay? My video could use some more views. Any new comments where you contradict yourself form day to day would be much appreciated.
@terminaltoad i never contradict myself.I wouldnt have time to explain everything wrong with your vid.All tkd is rubbish,all patterns/forms /kata are rubbish,none of them have the slightest application to combat,what youre showing here is purely theoretical fantasy,it cant be used.The collar choke is unworkable and was never part of either tkd or the shotokan choi studied.If you choke some out they fall down,you wouldnt be kicking them afterward.
@scarred10 "Bas used his own version of a fighting stance its not any kind of trad stance,that would be useless due to rigidity."
Dude, come on. LOOK AT IT! LISTEN TO HIM DESCRIBE IT. It IS a front stance! Period. Whether or not there are any sources where Bas says "Yes, I use a front stance" are irrelevant, unless there is one where he says "NO, I USE NO SUCH STANCE!" Go up to the search bar, type "Bas Rutten stance" and watch the first video. It's a front stance, not a MT stance. GTF over it.
@scarred10 "Bas would never credit tkd with anything he achieved in mma or pancrase,having spent 17 yrs in the Itf and even fought a thai match during that tie,tkd is weak ass."
Whether or not he credits is is not important. He could say a leprechaun taught him his stance, doesn't matter. It is what it is, and it IS a front stance. Additionally, he had some very nice things to say about TKD in an interview on knucklepit.
Get on your horse and go back to trolling Pokemon at primary schools.
@terminaltoad its not a walking stance,theres no front stance in tkd,if it was his back heel would be on the ground and the leg straight,both not viable for fighting,only for kata/patterns codolgy.
@scarred10 Are you trying to break the record for # of times an Irishman can be wrong in one day? In TKD, it was called FS until 65, when Choi changed it to Walking S. Most TKD instructors outside of his influence, such as Rhee, STILL call it a front stance. And what's this about the heel? The reason it was decided that the heel should be on the ground is because they thought "it looked sharper." In Bas' book, he calls it a ModifiedFS, saying "the only difference is my back foot. is on the ball"
@terminaltoad if tkd thinks what the stance looks like is important,they are clowns.Keeping the heel on the ground fucks up any application,if the heel is off the ground its not a tkd stance.
@scarred10 Have you gotten sick of trolling Pokemon, or did they sell out of tickets for Bieber's Euro tour? Maybe you just had one too many fecal foodfights and your brain is getting mushy, so you can't recognize when you're totally outmatched. Whatever it is, please keep commenting, I get a hit on my video every time you do.
@scarred10 "hether or ot nam tae Hi developed patterns or not is irrelevant they were shotokan anyway which were crap to begin with ,all trad arts are based on crap,they didnt fight in training due to the lack of protective equipment."
Yes it does. You said "No tkd master had any idea about combat." Nam Tae Hi, creator or TKD and its' pattern, killed trained soldiers in combat with his bare hands. And what's so bad about trad Shoto? Works pretty well for Machida.
@scarred10 "No soldier in warfare is without some type of weapon,so hand to hand is rarely tested."
Agreed. That's why MT, BJJ, and mma in general fail in combat and why I am a large proponent of Krav/KAPAP. So while you continue your uneducated trolling, I promote and train in reality based fighting. Me >> You.
@scarred10 TKD can also currently be identified in the styles of Anderson Silva, Anthony Pettis, and Dennis Siver. So you're just plain wrong there.
There was only 1 ITF, but that ITF evolved. On the 6th Day, God didn't just shit it out, it was founded and evolved to become the piece of crap it is today. But it wasn't always a piece of crap, it used to be the best of the best. The sine wave evolved to distinguish it, and CHH was on record stating it was just to distinguish. And what are katas?
@scarred10 Katas are chunked of combinations with similar concepts. Quick, name 5 different self defense techniques for 25 situations. You couldn't because you're an idiot. Katas were made to group similar items in sequence for easy memorization. You made (and then deleted) a comment about partner drills, but what those? Combinations. What do you drill when you don't have a partner? Probably shiteating. But with a kata, you can practice solo and remember all of those combinations.
@terminaltoad i dont need to know any responses to any situations because fighting doesnt allow time or the emotional calmness to access them.If you fight ad drill with contact in training youll never need to memorise anything ,not conciously anyway,its motor memory.Youve revealed a lot about your experience with that ridiculous post,its exactly why kata and kata applications are pointless.
@scarred10 "i dont need to know any responses to any situations because fighting doesnt allow time or the emotional calmness to access them."
Name the 26th President. You can't. Now, name the 26th President with a gun held to the back of your head. You still can't. SD works the same way. And it was a rhetorical question anyway. Maybe you heard of the word "metaphor" on one of the days you didn't skip 7th grade.
@terminaltoad definitely not kata,shadow sparring maybe,bagwork,conditioning and strength training.Shadow sparring involves moving round repeating real moves you know from real experience that work along with footwork and simulated defense ,it really is only good if you are already sparring.Kata uses techs in a way they can never work so you are encoding incorrect motor patterns.Basically,you need a sparring partner to improve significantly ut the methods i mentioned are supplemental.
@terminaltoad there is no possible way to practise escaping anything without a resisting partner,its sensitivity and timing thats needed under pressure ,kata cant deliver that.Mother of jaysus ,you are either a kid or a complete novice or a deluded trad practitioner.My old coach is like that,35 yrs training,I was whupping him after 3 yrs tkd and 6 mnths thai and he still maintained it was because I was athletic ,not because tkd wasnt fullcontact and wasted 90 % time on patterns
@scarred10 Would you quit proving my points?! This isn't that complicated. You say stupid shit, then I get to prove you wrong. If you do it, no fun for Daddy. Step 1: Drill with resisting partner to learn timing and sensitivity. Step 2: Drill kata using learned timing to keep timing sharp. And your old instructor could have a point, 35 years of training would make him 40+. Tell you what, Fecal Phenom, why don't you show me how impressive you are at the ISKA San Shou Championships in FL in 2012.
@scarred10 "Shadow sparring involves moving round repeating real moves you know from real experience that work along with footwork and simulated defense ,it really is only good if you are already sparring."
And if it's predetermined sequence, it's a kata. Good job, you just reinvented the wheel! Probably the only decent combat contribution from Ireland since letting Britain walk over over you for the last few centuries!
@terminaltoad its often not predetermined outside of novice level,but the crucial thing is that your practising exactly the moves that you spar with.the way you spar.Kata practises moves that nobody can fight or spar with in a completely artifiacial manner,its completely contradictory to the real sparring,and its the same in every art,pure waste of time regardless of bunkai.Kata were never effective ,they make people more ineffective ,not more so.
@scarred10 Ok, you're doing it again. SB can be done randomly, but also predetermined. The effectiveness is in HOW you SB. Go to a cardio boxing class. Not very useful. Same with how most schools do kata today. And we've been over this before, much of what's in a kata isn't for sparring. No one is going to grab your wrist or shoulder from behind in sparring. It's mostly SD and SO for combat.
@scarred10 Now look at another trad style with kata, like Doce Pares. Outside of a FC stick fighting contest, no one will let you beat them with a stick. The only way to practice safely is to drill very light contact with a partner and then practice katas at full speed and power. If you cut out half of the equation, you lose everything. Think if you only shadow boxed but never sparred. That's where the WTF is today, but not where the ITF used to be. In the end, it's all in how it's practiced.
@scarred10 "Kata uses techs in a way they can never work so you are encoding incorrect motor patterns"
SOME katas teach in a way that can never work (the kata above is not one of them). Just like SOME combinations will never work. Making a generalization like "all combinations are bad and will never work" is not a very smart generalization. The same is true for katas.
@terminaltoad no,all katas by definition are useless because they use stances that cant be applied,techs that cant be applied,footwork that cant be applied,the list goes on.If you have to train solo,kata is still a waste.If its predetermined ,involves no resistance and doesnt use moves exactly like in fighting,its crap,no matter what you call it.
@scarred10 By what definition? IF you make your definition "Kata (n): Useless" then yes, by definition, it would be. But if it's more like "a chunking of similar self defense concepts into a sequence for faster recall and solo training, to be used in conjunction with partner drills of the same combinations" then you have shadow boxing for self defense.
@terminaltoad becaus the techs in patters are done in an entirely different way to the way they can be used practically,you arent reinforcing the correct movement,youre rehearsing the incorrect 1.Concepts arent techs ,they are common principles.Kata involves no response to an attackers stimulus,so theres no apprpriate recall under specific conditions
@scarred10 "Basically,you need a sparring partner to improve significantly ut the methods i mentioned are supplemental."
Sparring is the best training tool ever. You need a sparring partner to improve timing and distance. But if you don't have a partner and are trying to keep your self defense (weapons/holds) sharp, kicking and punching a bag won't help. Neither will lifting weights or shadowboxing. Practicing katas (aka predetermined shadow boxing) with appropriate timing will.
@scarred10 "Youve revealed a lot about your experience with that ridiculous post,its exactly why kata and kata applications are pointless."
No, it is you that has revealed that you know pretty much nothing about trad MA or mma history. In fact, probably nothing more than what you've seen on ESPNUK. You've proven my points for me and proven that you should go back to trolling Pokemon forums. Tits, or GTFO.
@TKD344 The applications do make sense, see "Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul - Real Applications to the ITF Patterns: Vol 1" by Stuart Paul Anslow for reference. Read a book or get an old school ITF instructor who actually knows what they're teaching.
@AndersonChan84 lol fyi, the General really didn't know much. I practice the patterns as Nam Tae Hi (the guy who REALLY got TKD started and ACTUALLY MADE the patterns) created them and passed them on to Jhoon Rhee. While the Encyclopedia of TKD is nice (I have it, great discussion piece, you refer to Vol. VIII) and it is considered to be the "foremost authority" by Choi nuthuggers and ITF cultists, it doesn't depict the patterns in their appropriate context. Anslow's book does.
@terminaltoad well now,all the patterns in any art are a complete waste of time,youd be better off doing yoga or tai chi.Stuart anslows book is arse backwards,you dont look at patterns created with no relation to combat and try to find applications,you fight and analyse fights to see what works ,then build drills to improve those skills and techniques.Stuart is trying to make tkd seem practical but its a losing battle,it cant be done.No tkd master had any idea about combat .
@scarred10 And about wastes of time, yes, training katas are a COMPLETE waste of time - if you don't also train and practice their applications. Most schools lost these applications because they only trained for sport. Kata's aren't at fault, that's the fault of shitty instructors. What SA did wasn't try to apply reason to chaos, he looked at something founded on reason and used karate manuals to resurrect the Tul and their lost applications. So it's you, not SA, who has reality backwards.
@terminaltoad The father of the Taekwondo is the General Choi Hong Hi, he use the assistence of several masters of Korea and China(like Nam Tae Hi), but the final product is created by him, He was the president of the ITF in all the world, another one more thing, this Do San tul is awfull... the positions are wrong!!! the tecniques are wrong!!! there is no breathing!!! there is no sine wave!!! there is no contrast!!!! the diagram is also wrong... like the applications.. you are not from ITF TKD
@terminaltoad is so easy to say.. "63% of what you said is incorrect.." if you don´t know that Gral. Choi Hong Hi is the father of Taekwondo you should go to the encyclopedia , also you should go to wikipedia or any of the three ITF Taekwondo associations web pages.. like I said before, even the applications are wrong! this tul es learned in yellow point green belt!.. you have pants of a 4th degree belt and a 1st degree jacket!!! XD what are you finally???? hahaha..
@williamangeles 1) I own the ETKD. 2) You've probably never even seen a copy. 3) So you get all of your info from the TKD Wiki? No wonder... 4) My uniform is the traditional uniform of Rhee legacy schools in the midwest. 5) Me > you. 6) I can back it up.
@williamangeles 1) GCHH was the Father, but he did not create the patterns. 2) The original applications of the patterns were altered to distinguish TKD from Karate. 3) The sine wave was added to further distinguish TKD from Karate. 4) GCHH went on record stating this. 5) Not only were the applications changed, but so were some of the movements. 6) I practice the form as it was taught by NTH to Jhoon Rhee. The ORIGINAL form. 7) No, I'm not ITF. I'm a Rhee legacy. I practice the original TKD.
@terminaltoad 1) that´s fine! so you know that? :) 2) so you think that a block like gunnun so bakuro bakat palmok kaunde baro makgi function like your video?? that blocking technique is for punch to chess only for that!. 3) So you think the sine wave is only to make ITF TKD diferent to karate?? for that I know that your knowledge is very weak.. GCHH learn physics. 4) ? 5) If GCHH changed TKD was to improve the art! 6) NTH was a assistent of GCHH cause the General was his superior...
@williamangeles 1) That's everything 2) That's not a thing 3) Yes. GCHH said so + I'm a physics major. You lose 4) Exactly 5) No, it was to distinguish it. Google it. Read A Killing Art by Alex Gillis. Find interviews. I am right, you are wrong. 6) Mil superior. NTM was the superior MA. GCHH made the names, NTH made everything else.
@terminaltoad ...6)Jhoon Rhee was in a seminar of General Choi, there is an interview were the General says: "he´s a good person, but I don´t know what can he learn in three days of a seminar?..." 7) The original TKD comes from his creator GCHH.
1) ETKD??? what´s that??? there´s only 1 TKD ---> ITF. 2) Copy of what? 3) So you only read when I say go to wiki?? I´m 1st Dan ITF Taekwondo, I read the encyclopedia of TKD 4) bad uniform.. 5) are you kidding me?? :) 6) back it up what?
@williamangeles 1) Encyclopedia 2) Of the ETKD 3) No, you are an illiterate idiot AND a shitty TKD 1st Dan 4) I didn't pick the colors 5) Nope 6) I'll beat your as at the next IKF or ISKA SanShou event. Your pick.
6) JR trained under NTH for years. GCHH didn't know anything but the names of patterns he never learned. What could he have learned? GCHH only knew Karate, he didn't even know the style he pretended to have created.7) Wrong again. Look it up, jackass.
@williamangeles Wrong. He was in charge of organizing the masters, but it was mostly NTH. Choi created nothing but the names and a rough curriculum. He had almost no hand in the actual creation, his role was almost purely bureaucratic.
@terminaltoad so you say that learn Taekwondo, but they don´t teach you good manners??? what kind of black belt are you??????? by the form of your responses I can say you have 15 years old maybe! I only have to see your tul to say: that don´t has power... how many students and blacks belts have your organization?? you know how many have ITF Taekwondo in all the countries?? anyone knows even in Korea who Is GCHH. Pseudo-black belt if you can come to Lima Peru I can give you one street fight :)
If you can´t come here that´s all! only because I can write or speak english you think I´m in your country? (which is USA???). More doubts: in what degree are you? what´s your name?? don´t tell me that you run a school???? well that´s all see you, if you want to fight me that´s fine by me, but I recomend you fight a ITF red belt first and then try to beat a ITF black belt then you can buy a ticket to Peru, see you...
Awesome video! A lot of Japanese Kata's have videos showing the practical applications of the moves from the form, but its very hard to find videos of the same thing for Taekwondo forms. Very nicely done, I would love to see more of these! Excellent job!!
PS This video helps me especially since this is the current form I am learning! Noah
noahsan 1 week ago
Yo K, I'm all up in yer channel, creepin' yer videos.
feralxcarol 1 month ago
Try to show the people who responds to your video some respect Sr. If you are not polite in your answers, you will never get thru with your points.
Regards,
Roy Rolstad
ShotoVideo 3 months ago
I have read the books you refer to. I do applications, I know there is a difference between modern ITF-Tul (sine wave) and old school ITF-Hyong.
Non the less there is a lot to work with on the Hyong you are showing.
The applications show a lot of misconceptions on the subject.
But the worst thing is your lack of humbleness in your answers.
I'm glad you are not my student Sr. But you do put all the people who is teaching alternative applications in a bad spot with your behavior.
Try to show
ShotoVideo 3 months ago
I like the interpertation of the Do San pattern. I think that is the first time me ever seeing the grab chock. I use to the pattern having a double outer forarm block. History of TKD is so far out there who to say what is right and what is wrong. I think since the forms where created that the General Choi, and whom ever was there to create the first forms of chang hann must of put a twist on it. This is what I have heard before. That is why every organization is different.
RDraGon2179 3 months ago
beautiful video
mlightning1 3 months ago
Very good application from my view point. I thing that it depends on the talent of the person applying it as to how effective Do San can be. Well done.
FRodism 8 months ago 3
I am a Red Stripe, and I really enjoyed watching the flow of the Tul. It was graceful and the speed made observing the footwork much easier. I thought that its use was fully explained by the application interpretations...which I did not fully know.
I am training with Red Tiger TKD ITF in Philadelphia, PA. Sa Bum Nim Marcello Concelliere ( a World Champion in forms) manages the Do Jang under his father, Mario. Sa Bum Nim is a joy to watch perform Tuls. He & father are very patient.
alevanpa1 9 months ago 3
robert niles, outstanding music! I love this album!
jiggahippo 1 year ago 3
It may seem like am moaning, but am not really. In all honesty, i can't complain too much as there aren't many/any Tae kwon do tul hae sul/boonhae videos online. The closest i find are the Shotokan kata bunkai vids, which do prove to be useful, as we theoretically have the same moves as them, just put in different orders and with differing intentions. If anyone does know where i can find more Tul application videos, please let me know.
sybiko 1 year ago 3
@sybiko If you subscribe, you'll know when I make another. I'm just really busy right now with grad school.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 2
Similarly, the double punch/doo jirugi, could be exchanged for a neck break. Although, that all depends on the situation you find yourself in, and what your intentions are. I do really like the double rising block-into-arm lock application. Agreed, the techniques have to be tweaked slightly to work for different purposes, but finding out where/how changes need to be made is all part of the fun.
sybiko 1 year ago
These are what i would term as the "base level" of applications for this pattern. Having read "Chang hon hae sul" myself, I'm suprised to see that the front kicks were not shortened to morup chagi (knee kick/kaunde knee strike). Not to say that a front kick can't be used or is impractical, just that after doing a wedging block/hechyo makgi (might i add, those are some unusual looking wedging blocks you have there) you would be more likely to still be within close quaters with your opponent.
sybiko 1 year ago
@sybiko I haven't been able to nail it down 100%, I offer insight as to why my wedging block looks weird. Larry Whitener (TKD) and Dave Nichols (Shorin-Ryu) ran a school together, and it may have been changed from a w/block to a collar choke after Nichols shared the collar choke, which he learned from Robert Yarnell (Shorin-Ryu) and Ed Parker Jr. (US Kempo). Another is that Steen/Burleson changed it when conversing with Norris, who had practiced Judo before TKD. I'm working on finding the shift.
terminaltoad 1 year ago
This was a good, well done, I liked the way that you slowed the pattern right down for demo/instruction purposes and then translated the parts of the pattern to viable working solutions. Thanks I've just had torn all the ligaments in my right foot and had three months of nothing, no patterns at all. I've used your vids to retrain.
g1fthorse 1 year ago 5
@g1fthorse Just so you know, I'll be making more videos soon. Stay tuned!
terminaltoad 10 months ago 3
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What was that no sing-wave no nothing ???? please make a better video
alve1198 1 year ago
@alve1198 TKD originally did not contain sine-wave punches. The sine-wave punch came along because Gen. Choi attempted to distinguish TKD from Shotokan. Read a book, then I'll make a new video.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 5
@alve1198 Sing wave is a joke! I been in TKD since 1975 and I have never done SW and the Gen told me himself that Due to my Dan ranking I didnt need to learn it as it was simply a new way to distinguish his TKD from other TKD and Shotokan. SW has no advantages that I can see. The older way is much better faster and holds better timming.
jiggahippo 1 year ago 4
@jiggahippo thats true about the sine wave but I guarantee gen choi never admitted that,he was completely blinkered about tkd,he always tried to say it was proven by experiment when it was not.
scarred10 7 months ago 2
Nice adaptation - well done. let me know if you make others.
Stuart
StuartA 1 year ago 4
Este no puede ser mas loco!!
jose10684 1 year ago
@jose10684 It is sheer lunacy!
terminaltoad 1 year ago
This is a good of traditional apps here! One difference that I've spotted is with the straight spear finger thrust. If you shove it forward you're relying a lot less on strength as the grip is weakened by having to hold a larger portion of the arm. really liking the throw for the last couple of steps as well! One that I had (amazing I know), not actually thought of myself to be honest! :)
practicaltaekwondo 1 year ago 4
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StuartA 1 year ago 2
Very interesting. Some applications I never thought of.
HapkidoJosh 1 year ago 3
@HapkidoJosh The construction of the Chang Hon patterns is clearly an indication of the common origins of TKD and Hapkido. I HIGHLY suggest buying Anslow's book. If I win the lottery, I'll send you a copy.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 3
@terminaltoad While I see values in forms, is this really the best way to practice these moves. Granted if you only have time to practice alone at least you are doing something. But wouldn't partner training be more efficient.
Why do you think the applications for these forms are relatively hidden or why have instructors been given insufficient applications for these forms?
HapkidoJosh 1 year ago
@HapkidoJosh I agree 100% that partner training is far more valuable than pattern training. To answer your first question, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you can use one technique to handle multiple scenarios, you have a much more powerful tool. Look at Krav Maga's "Valley Drop" and "Quick Release." One simply requires that an opponent be behind you and touching you, and the other that they point a pistol at you (left hand, right, both, 360 degrees about).
terminaltoad 1 year ago 2
@HapkidoJosh For your second question, look at AndersonChan84's comment below. Once the ITF split from the mainstream, Choi made his encyclopedia as the "foremost authority" of pattern application. However, many applications were lost because he changed how moves were done to distinguish TKD from Karate. Look at the rising and low blocks. You must understand Shotokan to understand the patterns original meaning. This is why modern ITF instructors don't understand & alternate applications.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 3
@terminaltoad Couple the fact that the ITF doesn't have a single unifying body with it's decreasing popularity due to the WTF and Olympic TKD, and you end up with katas as relics that few even care to understand. Instructors go where the money is, and the money is in competition. This lead to instructors teaching competition strategy over kata application.
terminaltoad 1 year ago
@terminaltoad In summation, you have students who don't want to learn kata applications because they're not valuable in competition, teachers not wanting to teach what they know because it isn't profitable, and others who teach the applications as laid down by Choi's encyclopedia which do not credit Shotokan's contribution and stray from their original application. Carry this process out for 40 years, and an entire history is lost.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 2
@terminaltoad there was only 1 itf from 1966 until 2002,is that long enough?Kata should be forgotten about and the applications if they even worked just practised with a partner with increasing resistance levels.I cant see how intelligent men who are supposed to be figters dont see this.The answer is that they are not fighters but fantasists.
scarred10 7 months ago
@scarred10 A lot of what you've said is either misinformed or just plain wrong. About combat, the patterns were created by Nam Tae Hi, a man decorated for killing Chinese with his bare hands during the Korean War. The Korean Blue Dragon, Tiger, and White Horse Divisions trained exclusively in TKD and simulated Vietnamese jungles and dominated during Vietnam. It was later used by the KCIA during the 60s. The kicks of TKD were used by Bas Rutten to develop his style, by Cung Le in SS.
terminaltoad 6 months ago 2
@terminaltoad Rutten kicks thai style and before that kyokushin,he rarely if ever used tkd in a full contact match.Whether or ot nam tae Hi developed patterns or not is irrelevant they were shotokan anyway which were crap to begin with ,all trad arts are based on crap,they didnt fight in training due to the lack of protective equipment.No soldier in warfare is without some type of weapon,so hand to hand is rarely tested.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Ok, let's just take your BS line by line:
"Rutten kicks thai style and before that kyokushin,he rarely if ever used tkd in a full contact match." Ok, what stance was he in. If he was standing, 99% front stance, 1% Rutten Jump. Where did he learn his stance? TKD, not MT, not Kyo. And how many open handed strikes are in MT? 0. And did he become the best body striker in mma through MT, or TKD/Kyo? Answers itself.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad my dear lad ,the only reason he struck with an open hand is that punches to head were banned in pancrase where bas had nearly all his fights,it wasnt mma.No tkd uses open hand full contact headshots.Bas used his own version of a fighting stance its not any kind of trad stance,that would be useless due to rigidity.Bas would never credit tkd with anything he achieved in mma or pancrase,having spent 17 yrs in the Itf and even fought a thai match during that tie,tkd is weak ass.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 "my dear lad ,the only reason he struck with an open hand is that punches to head were banned in pancrase where bas had nearly all his fights,it wasnt mma"
1 Yes, closed fist strikes were illegal in Pancrase, just like open-handed strikes were illegal in UFC until last year
2 Pancrase IS mma. Google it, dumbass.
3 You didn't answer the question. Where did his open-hand techniques come from? TKD/Kyo.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad all strikes to the head were always allowed in the ufc,in ufc 9 they were actually compelled to only use the open hand due to a last minute law passed in detroit to outlaw head punches at a time when nobody wore mma gloves
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 "No tkd uses open hand full contact headshots."
You are clearly an idiot. Rhee legacy schools in the midwest ALL have headshots at all levels and ages. 18+ has full face contact, front leg sweeps, and the groin is a legal target. Only WTF/Olympic TKD and Kumite don't have hands-to-head.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad rhee legacy schools arent itf,only itf is tkd,the rest are offshoots and could be teaching anything now.Anyhow,no tkd nor virtually any art at all allows full contact open hand shots in sparring,its always gloved fist if heavy conatct is allowed.If the groin is a legal target they are retarded,even a guard wont prevent a full shot.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Fact: Choi BEGGED Rhee to take over the ITF. Rhee was highly respected by Choi. Rhee, to this day, teaches TKD as it was taught to him. That said, everything else you stated is wrong, again showing your total ineptitude. In a fight, 3 things happen: punch to face, kick to groin, & takedowns. Allowing groin contact keeps it real (like in the original UFC).
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad seeing as rhee(jhoon rhee i presume) has been out of the itf since the early 70s,its very unlikely choi wanted him to take over anything,choi was a complete dictator,he had to die to quit.In tkd the punches are useless,the takedowns are useless/non existant and anyone can kick the groin.Choi never taught anyone to punch properly or takedown because he never could himself.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Are you still gay? My video could use some more views. Any new comments where you contradict yourself form day to day would be much appreciated.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@terminaltoad i never contradict myself.I wouldnt have time to explain everything wrong with your vid.All tkd is rubbish,all patterns/forms /kata are rubbish,none of them have the slightest application to combat,what youre showing here is purely theoretical fantasy,it cant be used.The collar choke is unworkable and was never part of either tkd or the shotokan choi studied.If you choke some out they fall down,you wouldnt be kicking them afterward.
scarred10 3 months ago
@scarred10 Oh yeah? Why don't you go back through your comments and see if you can spot your contradictions. I could use a few more hits.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@scarred10 "Bas used his own version of a fighting stance its not any kind of trad stance,that would be useless due to rigidity."
Dude, come on. LOOK AT IT! LISTEN TO HIM DESCRIBE IT. It IS a front stance! Period. Whether or not there are any sources where Bas says "Yes, I use a front stance" are irrelevant, unless there is one where he says "NO, I USE NO SUCH STANCE!" Go up to the search bar, type "Bas Rutten stance" and watch the first video. It's a front stance, not a MT stance. GTF over it.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "Bas would never credit tkd with anything he achieved in mma or pancrase,having spent 17 yrs in the Itf and even fought a thai match during that tie,tkd is weak ass."
Whether or not he credits is is not important. He could say a leprechaun taught him his stance, doesn't matter. It is what it is, and it IS a front stance. Additionally, he had some very nice things to say about TKD in an interview on knucklepit.
Get on your horse and go back to trolling Pokemon at primary schools.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad its not a walking stance,theres no front stance in tkd,if it was his back heel would be on the ground and the leg straight,both not viable for fighting,only for kata/patterns codolgy.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Are you trying to break the record for # of times an Irishman can be wrong in one day? In TKD, it was called FS until 65, when Choi changed it to Walking S. Most TKD instructors outside of his influence, such as Rhee, STILL call it a front stance. And what's this about the heel? The reason it was decided that the heel should be on the ground is because they thought "it looked sharper." In Bas' book, he calls it a ModifiedFS, saying "the only difference is my back foot. is on the ball"
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad if tkd thinks what the stance looks like is important,they are clowns.Keeping the heel on the ground fucks up any application,if the heel is off the ground its not a tkd stance.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Have you gotten sick of trolling Pokemon, or did they sell out of tickets for Bieber's Euro tour? Maybe you just had one too many fecal foodfights and your brain is getting mushy, so you can't recognize when you're totally outmatched. Whatever it is, please keep commenting, I get a hit on my video every time you do.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "hether or ot nam tae Hi developed patterns or not is irrelevant they were shotokan anyway which were crap to begin with ,all trad arts are based on crap,they didnt fight in training due to the lack of protective equipment."
Yes it does. You said "No tkd master had any idea about combat." Nam Tae Hi, creator or TKD and its' pattern, killed trained soldiers in combat with his bare hands. And what's so bad about trad Shoto? Works pretty well for Machida.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "No soldier in warfare is without some type of weapon,so hand to hand is rarely tested."
Agreed. That's why MT, BJJ, and mma in general fail in combat and why I am a large proponent of Krav/KAPAP. So while you continue your uneducated trolling, I promote and train in reality based fighting. Me >> You.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 TKD can also currently be identified in the styles of Anderson Silva, Anthony Pettis, and Dennis Siver. So you're just plain wrong there.
There was only 1 ITF, but that ITF evolved. On the 6th Day, God didn't just shit it out, it was founded and evolved to become the piece of crap it is today. But it wasn't always a piece of crap, it used to be the best of the best. The sine wave evolved to distinguish it, and CHH was on record stating it was just to distinguish. And what are katas?
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 Katas are chunked of combinations with similar concepts. Quick, name 5 different self defense techniques for 25 situations. You couldn't because you're an idiot. Katas were made to group similar items in sequence for easy memorization. You made (and then deleted) a comment about partner drills, but what those? Combinations. What do you drill when you don't have a partner? Probably shiteating. But with a kata, you can practice solo and remember all of those combinations.
terminaltoad 6 months ago 2
@terminaltoad i dont need to know any responses to any situations because fighting doesnt allow time or the emotional calmness to access them.If you fight ad drill with contact in training youll never need to memorise anything ,not conciously anyway,its motor memory.Youve revealed a lot about your experience with that ridiculous post,its exactly why kata and kata applications are pointless.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 "i dont need to know any responses to any situations because fighting doesnt allow time or the emotional calmness to access them."
Name the 26th President. You can't. Now, name the 26th President with a gun held to the back of your head. You still can't. SD works the same way. And it was a rhetorical question anyway. Maybe you heard of the word "metaphor" on one of the days you didn't skip 7th grade.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "If you fight ad drill with contact in training youll never need to memorise anything ,not conciously anyway,its motor memory."
Agreed, but how do you train and keep sharp when you don't have a training partner? Katas. Why do you keep proving my points for me?
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad definitely not kata,shadow sparring maybe,bagwork,conditioning and strength training.Shadow sparring involves moving round repeating real moves you know from real experience that work along with footwork and simulated defense ,it really is only good if you are already sparring.Kata uses techs in a way they can never work so you are encoding incorrect motor patterns.Basically,you need a sparring partner to improve significantly ut the methods i mentioned are supplemental.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Do you really have to keep proving my points for me, or do you just like trolling like an idiot? Let's do this again:
"definitely not kata,shadow sparring maybe,bagwork,conditioning and strength training"
Which one of those teaches you escapes from holds? None.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad there is no possible way to practise escaping anything without a resisting partner,its sensitivity and timing thats needed under pressure ,kata cant deliver that.Mother of jaysus ,you are either a kid or a complete novice or a deluded trad practitioner.My old coach is like that,35 yrs training,I was whupping him after 3 yrs tkd and 6 mnths thai and he still maintained it was because I was athletic ,not because tkd wasnt fullcontact and wasted 90 % time on patterns
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Would you quit proving my points?! This isn't that complicated. You say stupid shit, then I get to prove you wrong. If you do it, no fun for Daddy. Step 1: Drill with resisting partner to learn timing and sensitivity. Step 2: Drill kata using learned timing to keep timing sharp. And your old instructor could have a point, 35 years of training would make him 40+. Tell you what, Fecal Phenom, why don't you show me how impressive you are at the ISKA San Shou Championships in FL in 2012.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "Shadow sparring involves moving round repeating real moves you know from real experience that work along with footwork and simulated defense ,it really is only good if you are already sparring."
And if it's predetermined sequence, it's a kata. Good job, you just reinvented the wheel! Probably the only decent combat contribution from Ireland since letting Britain walk over over you for the last few centuries!
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad its often not predetermined outside of novice level,but the crucial thing is that your practising exactly the moves that you spar with.the way you spar.Kata practises moves that nobody can fight or spar with in a completely artifiacial manner,its completely contradictory to the real sparring,and its the same in every art,pure waste of time regardless of bunkai.Kata were never effective ,they make people more ineffective ,not more so.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Ok, you're doing it again. SB can be done randomly, but also predetermined. The effectiveness is in HOW you SB. Go to a cardio boxing class. Not very useful. Same with how most schools do kata today. And we've been over this before, much of what's in a kata isn't for sparring. No one is going to grab your wrist or shoulder from behind in sparring. It's mostly SD and SO for combat.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 Now look at another trad style with kata, like Doce Pares. Outside of a FC stick fighting contest, no one will let you beat them with a stick. The only way to practice safely is to drill very light contact with a partner and then practice katas at full speed and power. If you cut out half of the equation, you lose everything. Think if you only shadow boxed but never sparred. That's where the WTF is today, but not where the ITF used to be. In the end, it's all in how it's practiced.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "Kata uses techs in a way they can never work so you are encoding incorrect motor patterns"
SOME katas teach in a way that can never work (the kata above is not one of them). Just like SOME combinations will never work. Making a generalization like "all combinations are bad and will never work" is not a very smart generalization. The same is true for katas.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad no,all katas by definition are useless because they use stances that cant be applied,techs that cant be applied,footwork that cant be applied,the list goes on.If you have to train solo,kata is still a waste.If its predetermined ,involves no resistance and doesnt use moves exactly like in fighting,its crap,no matter what you call it.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 By what definition? IF you make your definition "Kata (n): Useless" then yes, by definition, it would be. But if it's more like "a chunking of similar self defense concepts into a sequence for faster recall and solo training, to be used in conjunction with partner drills of the same combinations" then you have shadow boxing for self defense.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad becaus the techs in patters are done in an entirely different way to the way they can be used practically,you arent reinforcing the correct movement,youre rehearsing the incorrect 1.Concepts arent techs ,they are common principles.Kata involves no response to an attackers stimulus,so theres no apprpriate recall under specific conditions
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 "Basically,you need a sparring partner to improve significantly ut the methods i mentioned are supplemental."
Sparring is the best training tool ever. You need a sparring partner to improve timing and distance. But if you don't have a partner and are trying to keep your self defense (weapons/holds) sharp, kicking and punching a bag won't help. Neither will lifting weights or shadowboxing. Practicing katas (aka predetermined shadow boxing) with appropriate timing will.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@scarred10 "Youve revealed a lot about your experience with that ridiculous post,its exactly why kata and kata applications are pointless."
No, it is you that has revealed that you know pretty much nothing about trad MA or mma history. In fact, probably nothing more than what you've seen on ESPNUK. You've proven my points for me and proven that you should go back to trolling Pokemon forums. Tits, or GTFO.
terminaltoad 6 months ago
@terminaltoad Thanks for responding. We seem to be like minded on several points. Let me know if you make videos like this for any other forms.
HapkidoJosh 1 year ago
@HapkidoJosh You can count on it.
terminaltoad 1 year ago
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That is incorrect - The applications dont make sense... Join ITF and learn the correct way
TKD344 1 year ago
@TKD344 The applications do make sense, see "Ch'ang Hon Taekwon-do Hae Sul - Real Applications to the ITF Patterns: Vol 1" by Stuart Paul Anslow for reference. Read a book or get an old school ITF instructor who actually knows what they're teaching.
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AndersonChan84 1 year ago
@AndersonChan84 lol fyi, the General really didn't know much. I practice the patterns as Nam Tae Hi (the guy who REALLY got TKD started and ACTUALLY MADE the patterns) created them and passed them on to Jhoon Rhee. While the Encyclopedia of TKD is nice (I have it, great discussion piece, you refer to Vol. VIII) and it is considered to be the "foremost authority" by Choi nuthuggers and ITF cultists, it doesn't depict the patterns in their appropriate context. Anslow's book does.
terminaltoad 1 year ago 24
@terminaltoad well now,all the patterns in any art are a complete waste of time,youd be better off doing yoga or tai chi.Stuart anslows book is arse backwards,you dont look at patterns created with no relation to combat and try to find applications,you fight and analyse fights to see what works ,then build drills to improve those skills and techniques.Stuart is trying to make tkd seem practical but its a losing battle,it cant be done.No tkd master had any idea about combat .
scarred10 7 months ago
@scarred10 And about wastes of time, yes, training katas are a COMPLETE waste of time - if you don't also train and practice their applications. Most schools lost these applications because they only trained for sport. Kata's aren't at fault, that's the fault of shitty instructors. What SA did wasn't try to apply reason to chaos, he looked at something founded on reason and used karate manuals to resurrect the Tul and their lost applications. So it's you, not SA, who has reality backwards.
terminaltoad 6 months ago 2
@terminaltoad The father of the Taekwondo is the General Choi Hong Hi, he use the assistence of several masters of Korea and China(like Nam Tae Hi), but the final product is created by him, He was the president of the ITF in all the world, another one more thing, this Do San tul is awfull... the positions are wrong!!! the tecniques are wrong!!! there is no breathing!!! there is no sine wave!!! there is no contrast!!!! the diagram is also wrong... like the applications.. you are not from ITF TKD
williamangeles 3 months ago
@williamangeles Approximately 63% of what you have said is incorrect or ill-informed. You are a fool.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@terminaltoad is so easy to say.. "63% of what you said is incorrect.." if you don´t know that Gral. Choi Hong Hi is the father of Taekwondo you should go to the encyclopedia , also you should go to wikipedia or any of the three ITF Taekwondo associations web pages.. like I said before, even the applications are wrong! this tul es learned in yellow point green belt!.. you have pants of a 4th degree belt and a 1st degree jacket!!! XD what are you finally???? hahaha..
williamangeles 3 months ago
@williamangeles 1) I own the ETKD. 2) You've probably never even seen a copy. 3) So you get all of your info from the TKD Wiki? No wonder... 4) My uniform is the traditional uniform of Rhee legacy schools in the midwest. 5) Me > you. 6) I can back it up.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@williamangeles 1) GCHH was the Father, but he did not create the patterns. 2) The original applications of the patterns were altered to distinguish TKD from Karate. 3) The sine wave was added to further distinguish TKD from Karate. 4) GCHH went on record stating this. 5) Not only were the applications changed, but so were some of the movements. 6) I practice the form as it was taught by NTH to Jhoon Rhee. The ORIGINAL form. 7) No, I'm not ITF. I'm a Rhee legacy. I practice the original TKD.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@terminaltoad 1) that´s fine! so you know that? :) 2) so you think that a block like gunnun so bakuro bakat palmok kaunde baro makgi function like your video?? that blocking technique is for punch to chess only for that!. 3) So you think the sine wave is only to make ITF TKD diferent to karate?? for that I know that your knowledge is very weak.. GCHH learn physics. 4) ? 5) If GCHH changed TKD was to improve the art! 6) NTH was a assistent of GCHH cause the General was his superior...
williamangeles 3 months ago
@williamangeles 1) That's everything 2) That's not a thing 3) Yes. GCHH said so + I'm a physics major. You lose 4) Exactly 5) No, it was to distinguish it. Google it. Read A Killing Art by Alex Gillis. Find interviews. I am right, you are wrong. 6) Mil superior. NTM was the superior MA. GCHH made the names, NTH made everything else.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@terminaltoad ...6)Jhoon Rhee was in a seminar of General Choi, there is an interview were the General says: "he´s a good person, but I don´t know what can he learn in three days of a seminar?..." 7) The original TKD comes from his creator GCHH.
1) ETKD??? what´s that??? there´s only 1 TKD ---> ITF. 2) Copy of what? 3) So you only read when I say go to wiki?? I´m 1st Dan ITF Taekwondo, I read the encyclopedia of TKD 4) bad uniform.. 5) are you kidding me?? :) 6) back it up what?
williamangeles 3 months ago
@williamangeles 1) Encyclopedia 2) Of the ETKD 3) No, you are an illiterate idiot AND a shitty TKD 1st Dan 4) I didn't pick the colors 5) Nope 6) I'll beat your as at the next IKF or ISKA SanShou event. Your pick.
6) JR trained under NTH for years. GCHH didn't know anything but the names of patterns he never learned. What could he have learned? GCHH only knew Karate, he didn't even know the style he pretended to have created.7) Wrong again. Look it up, jackass.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@williamangeles Wrong. He was in charge of organizing the masters, but it was mostly NTH. Choi created nothing but the names and a rough curriculum. He had almost no hand in the actual creation, his role was almost purely bureaucratic.
terminaltoad 3 months ago
@terminaltoad so you say that learn Taekwondo, but they don´t teach you good manners??? what kind of black belt are you??????? by the form of your responses I can say you have 15 years old maybe! I only have to see your tul to say: that don´t has power... how many students and blacks belts have your organization?? you know how many have ITF Taekwondo in all the countries?? anyone knows even in Korea who Is GCHH. Pseudo-black belt if you can come to Lima Peru I can give you one street fight :)
williamangeles 3 months ago
If you can´t come here that´s all! only because I can write or speak english you think I´m in your country? (which is USA???). More doubts: in what degree are you? what´s your name?? don´t tell me that you run a school???? well that´s all see you, if you want to fight me that´s fine by me, but I recomend you fight a ITF red belt first and then try to beat a ITF black belt then you can buy a ticket to Peru, see you...
williamangeles 3 months ago
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Hey man. Please do not do that and show in public again.
sitkd 1 year ago
@sitkd Why not?
terminaltoad 1 year ago 2