kinda wish martha didn't fancy the doctor...would be nice for him to have a close friend who didn't fancy him ;) but jack would fancy him, i kinda assumed that ;) xx
Wow, just reading some comments, like I seem to do when I'm curious. Fans can get too damn serious, kinda funny(?) Too much fussing over Martha and Rose over deal. I found this because I rather like Jack and his crush on the Doctor. I totally ship those two! ♥ Jack/Ten! ♥
(Jack's "You too huh?" made this go from starting to get serious to some bloody humor, have to thank him for that! :)
Ten was kind of a douche to Martha, but how would he know she liked him? She made it obvious, yeah, but the only thing he would notice at that time was if Rose came up and started flirting.
@dbzcoolman23 He's the Doctor....he's pretty oblivious to that kind of stuff. He probably has no idea Martha...or Jack..fanicies him. Plus, he's in love with Rose still so even if he knew, it wouldn't change anything. I feel bad for Martha, but she hasn't taken a hint yet that he probably won't like her as anything more than a friend. I like Martha, but 10/Rose forever I'm afraid.
The first time I heard this, I honestly thought for a moment that it was a cruel, cruel remark directed at Martha. Then I realized the Doctor just has slight idiotic tendencies.
And the Doctor didn't mean to be a jerk to her- he just wasn't over Rose at all, and the idea of needing someone else either was horrific or never actually occurred to him, so he could never really accept Martha.
...yeah, like how I fancied someone (let's just say she was from a family from Norway via the UK, still from Australia like myself - her mother was apparently half-Maori, but she looked Caucasian to me, slightly harsh-yet-good-looking woman she was) and and all she wanted out of me was just a friend. Still, I guess that was better than what Martha put up with. At least I was let down gently, but then again, why doesn't the Doctor just say he only wants friends straight out? *facepalm*
@Meangrl19 Well. She did and she didn't. In Sontaran Stratagem she's engaged to him, but by the End of Time she's married to Mickey. I wouldn't feel sorry for her, she played Tom. And either way, The Doctor is oblivious to someone being attracted to him. Look at when Amy tries it on with him.
@potterwilllive I don't know which of my post you're addressing. I know Martha didn't play Tom though. She liked him and she didn't just use him. The Doctor wasn't oblivious to may's advances. It was pretty clear what she wanted. He just didn't want to give it to her because he knew both of them would regret it. Martha was not in any way 'awful'. She was NOT a rebound to Rose in ANY way. It's even said in the confidentials and even Tennant says that Martha isn't a rebound because there
@potterwilllive is a long gap of time between when Donna told him to find someone and when he met Martha. He asked Martha long because he found her interesting and was only pushed to ask her along because she saved his life. Martha was not a rebound in any way and I just shake my head everytime I read that. Martha unlike Rose never got to live her life and experience things. Jackie was a 'cool' mom. She let Rose have boyfriends and friends and have a life. We see in the
@potterwilllive show that Francine does not let Martha experience life at all and the Doctor is the first guy she can really get close to without her mother interferring and her mom still found a way to do that. Martha thought the Doctor liked her because he kissed her in the hospital and then he asked her along for a ride in the tardis so she thought he liked her. Which is perfectly understandable. Martha is crippled emotionally by her parents divorce or maybe it has more to do with the fact
@potterwilllive that they are constantly at eachothers throats. Martha was always tryign to probve herself because the Doctor was always talking down to her and telling her she wasn't good enough. So she tried to improve herself. Not to mention, what you're saying is just ridculous. So you don't like Rose either? Rose was always trying to prove herself too. Evne on the confidentials Tennant says that Donna was different from Rose and Martha because she wasn't always trying to
@potterwilllive prove herself. I also loved the you made it sound like RTD made Martha bad on purpose. RTD wrote Martha purposelly so she WAS better than Rose. Martha constanly trying to be a better person and live up to the Doctor and Rose made Martha a better person and he says that by the end of the season she got out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadows. Basically, she was made to be Doctor/Rose/Martha new and improved. By the end of that season she was part Doctor, part Rose, part
@potterwilllive Martha. By the end of that season his intentionw as to show that she was better and that the Doctor took this woman for granted. You talk like Martha trying to improve and develop is a bad thing. Was it annoying that she was constanly seeking for approval? Yes, but you seemed to miss the whole point of her story. Season 3 is about Martha growing up. It's about her looking for approval from the Doctor and Francine and trying to be their idea of perfect and the end result is
@potterwilllive she takes in all that she's suffered and she learns from it and turns everything into strength. Martha had it all when she started out but there was one thing missing. She wasn't complete yet. She need to accept herself for who she was. By the end of the season she learned and tranformed to be Martha, but a better Martha. A Martha that accepted herself for who she was. That was the brilliance of the story and it is alot of heroes stories that their greatest accomplishment
@potterwilllive is that they just accepted themselves for who they were and they saved the world just by being one of the people that gave a damn and tried to save it. You say Martha doesn't have a sense of realism, but she was the most human of all. Even when she saved the universe everything she did was so human. You say she played the Doctor. You've just got to be joking. The Doctor played her. He useed her and took advnatage of her loneliness. He used her for his
@potterwilllive own selfish reasons and made her suffer a great amount without having a care about what it would do to her. That is another one of Martha's greatest victories. She overcame all of the things that the Doctor had done to her. She rose about all his mistreatments of her. Martha, by the way, was the most worthiest companion. She suffered so much for him, far more than the other companions, and she still stuck around to took care of him. Martha was so selfess; so generous.
@potterwilllive She was constanly there for the Doctor despite how cruel he was to her. You seemed to miss the whole point of her story and the character. You also seem to be one of the people who missed all the similarities between Doctor & Martha and Master & Lucy. You don't seem to understand that your Doctor is flawed too. The men were the villians in this; not the women. The women were their victims.
@Meangrl19 I understand the story fine thank you very much. You've just pinpointed exactly what is wrong with Martha. She's a victim, and it's played upon far too much and overdramatised. It's annoying. The show is about an eccentric man who travels with a friend and saves the universe. The whole of Series 3 felt as though I'd sat through a soap. Martha is a victim of neglect from her love, yet she keeps soldiering on because she loves him so much. Thankfully we then got given Donna and then Amy
@potterwilllive Martha's story is a heroic story. She had to suffer and be a victim for the end result to be great. She overcame all her suffering and in the end accepted herself for who she was and stopped being who everyone wanted her to be. Not to mention she only had that one flaw and by the end of the season she bettered herself and got rid of that flaw. The Doctor and her mother constantly made her feel worthless and was constaly trying to gain their approval because they made her
@potterwilllive feel that way, but by the end of the season she bettered herself and came to accept herself for who she was. She overcame all her weaknesses and by the end of the season she got out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadows. She proved to herself and everyone else that she was an amazing person and she was more than worthy of being one of the Doctor's companions. The Doctor is the one who talked down to her and made her feel that she neeeded to prove herself and
@potterwilllive by the end of the season she did prove herself to everyone including herself. By the way, Martha wasn't in love with the Doctor. RTD said it in the confidentials.
@Meangrl19 I know the story, it's all very heroic and I appreciate that it makes you love the character. I think it's great. But I don't like her, for the reasons that you do like her. RTD made me not like her by making her the centre of attention. The show is about the Doctor and his companion, the majority of time it's an equal relationship, but The Doctor sometimes outshines the companion through his experience. I think Martha's Journey would have made a great subplot, there was a
@potterwilllive I never said you did have to like the character. I just would just like it if people would like Martha for reasons that are true rather than reasons that are not true. If you don't like her because she was the center of attention than fine. That's true she was the center of attention during her season, but there was a reason for that. Martha only had one season to make a good impression and she came after Rose whose fans were angry that some new girl was taking her place.
@potterwilllive RTD had to make Martha look good and he did that. Martha was female!Doctor and you're right the show should be about the Doctor not his companion, but have you noticed that all the seasons with RTD as showrunner have the companion as the center of attention? Rose, Martha, and Donna were. Actually even Amy is with Moffat as showrunner. I loved Martha's story though and I didn't hold anything against her character just because she was the center of attention.
@Meangrl19 The difference is, Rose and Donna were in it for the thrill. There stories were about their relationship with the Doctor as friends. And whilst the focus was on them it never felt like they were taking the focus off the Doctor. With Martha it did because of the lack of relationship she and The Doctor had.
As for Series 5. The storyline is all about Amy, but the difference is she doesn't know about it. And The Doctor does. It's almost the opposite of Series Three in that respect.
@potterwilllive Martha was in it for the thrill too and because this was a chance to experience life because her mother wouldn't let her before. I felt that all of them took the focus off the Doctor. They needed to focus on their lack of relationship to get the story across and I know that made it focus on Martha more, but at the same time it also focused alot on the Doctor and about him losing Rose.
@Meangrl19@Meangrl19 I think it's because whilst Rose was the centre of attention she didn't take anything away from the heart of the show. Same with Donna, she was the centre of attention to some extent. But it didn't feel like The Doctor was having the limelight stolen off him. Not from my point of view anyway. I mean, don't get me wrong. The Martha storyline of her development is brilliant. But not for Doctor Who. It takes a lot out of the show. And I agree, it did also shed focus on
@potterwilllive Well to me it sounds like you don't hate Martha just that her story overshadowed the Doctor's and that's it. I just didn't understand how anyone could hate a character like Martha. She's good person. Dislike I guess I could understand, but not hate. To be honest, I didn't like the Doctor dwelling on the past with Rose either, but I think RTD was trying to show that the Doctor was heartbroken from losing everything: his people, his world, and all his companions including Rose
@potterwilllive You're right the Doctor does usually just move on, but I think RTD was trying to show us that this is where the Doctor finally just-broke down because he kept losing so much. It wasn't just losing his recent companion that brought him down so much. That's another reason why I appreaciated and loved Martha's character so much because she helped the Doctor get better. She was the Doctor's Doctor. Yes, that gave her more focus, but at the same time we were focused
@potterwilllive on the Doctor and his pain so we could understand what a huge deal it was when Martha made him all better again. In a way, I agree. I think Martha was after the thrill and living her life which is something Francine wouldn't let her do. I think wanting to be with the Doctor fell under that living her life category. She saw an oppurtunity to be with a guy she liked without her mother finding some way to break them up. Unfortunatley for Martha she was wrong when she thought
@potterwilllive he liked her, but she still stayed because she wanted to live her life and for the adventure and the thrill. Some in a way I agree with that because she did push herself to go with him because she thought he liked her, but she quickly found out he didn't and that he wasn't over Rose and she stuck around because of the adventure and the thrill she got from it. I think she wanted and needed to live her life the way Francine would never allow her to and that's why she stayed.
@potterwilllive The Doctor helping her to experience life helped her character a great deal to. We got to see Martha grow up and became a really great person. I loved that about her story. By the way, I am sorry for these long messages.
@Meangrl19 Haha, it's fine. I've never liked Martha, but I've never been able to pinpoint why that was. This as helped. I don't hate her, but I do hate her storyline. Its a shame she was percieved as such a rebound character. I think she gets a lot of bad credit because a lot of the fans hated her before she even started because "She'll never be as good as Rose" but that's not me. She's not my favourite character, I don't particularly like her because she seems to not care about the Doctor at
@potterwilllive Like I said in a previous post RTD and Tennant said that Martha was not a rebound character/companion. There was a gap between when Donna told him to find someone and when he met Martha. He took her along because he found her interesting. In fact, if you listen to that confidential it will tell the story better than I can. Basically Tennant made it clear to us that Martha wasn't a rebound though. I'm glad that you don't hate Martha like everyone else, but I
@potterwilllive don't think it's her storyline that you hate. I think it's just that her storyline overshadowed the Doctor's storyline. Yes, that's true alot of people did hate her before she even started because they were remaining loyal to Rose. Alot of people I talk to seem to hate Martha for reasons that just aren't true about her character or that actress. That or they just don't seem to understand her or her storyline. In fact some people even love Martha for reasons that aren't true.
@potterwilllive Like some people love her because of her unrequinted love. It wasn't unrequinted love since she got over him and he didn't love her. Neither of the two loved each other. It doesn't bother me that she isn't your favorite character, but atleast now you can dislike her storyline for reasons that make sense. Like I said, many other people don't seem to understand Martha's character and end up hating her for reasons that aren't true or they look for reason to hate her
@Meangrl19 all by the time we get to Journeys End and the Osterhargen Key. The whole "I am a member of the Unified Intelligence Taskforce" attitude really got under my skin and put me off her a little bit more. I was however glad to see she'd left and was married to Mr. Mickey Smith in The End of Time Part 2. Both her and Mickey had lived in the shadows of Rose and The Doctor and it's quite fitting that they should be together. Though I feel sorry for Tom Milligan.
@potterwilllive because they are the mean fans of Rose. I don't agree that Martha didn't care about the Doctor. I think she cared about him too much. He was always the one who acted like he didn't care about her, but then again that was for a reason. He didn't want to care about her and then lose her too and then that happened anyway. It really sucked that the Doctor didn't get to have any happy memories with her before she left him and her leaving must have hurt him the
@potterwilllive most out of Rose, Martha, and Donna leaving him because Rose and Donna had to be dragged out of there while Martha just walked out with a smile on her face, but she made the right choice for both of them. As for her I'm a UNIT member thing, she was trying to play the Doctor again and this time it wasn't his good side. Remember how he blew up Gallifrey to save the rest of the universe? That's what Martha was doing. I didn't like that at all. Martha knows better
@potterwilllive and she should have learned from the Doctor's mistake. She saw how it ruined him. As for Mickey and Martha, I didn't like their realtionship because Martha was given Rose's sloppy seconds and I didn 't like that Mickey and Martha only had their shared mistreatment to converse about. I do love both of them though. I also feel bad for Tom. Tom and Martha would have been wonderful together.
@Meangrl19 I feel like she tries to play Doctor too much though. The Doctor's own people had become corrupt, which is why he ended the War. By blowing up Earth, Martha would have stopped Davros' plan. But Davros and his Daleks would still have been very much at large. Blowing up herself, her family and friends for nothing. I realise now that The Doctor did exactly that, but not intentionally.
@potterwilllive The Doctor did do that intentionally though. Well, actually he meant to kill them and not get them trapped in a timelock, but I think he got lucky with that one. Either way they were still considered dead and they couldn't live their lives so they were dead. She was trying to sacrifice herself and her planet to save the rest of the universe. So it wasn't all for nothing. Davros wouldn't be able to use the reality bomb and she was trying to follow in the Doctor's footsteps.
@potterwilllive That was the whole point of that episode: Davros had his point proven that the Doctor isn't as great as he's made out to be because he takes normal people and turns them into weapons and he was also proving to the Doctor that many people die in his name. He was trying to rub it in the Doctor's face that he's more of a monster than a hero. Also, Martha was bluffing I think. She kept repeating the Leave this planet and it's people alone or I'll use it. I don't think Martha
@potterwilllive would have been able to do it and I really think she was just trying to scare Davros off. She doesn't get that Davros was worse than the Master and you couldn't just trick Davros like she was trying to do. Jack and the others were also trying to blow up things to try and stop Davros which wasn't right either. Really though, Martha wouldn't have been able to blow up her planet. The most important thing to her is her family and she'd never be able to go through with it. She
@Meangrl19 What I probably hadn't made clear was that. The Doctor also let the Daleks live on, but not intentionally. I get the whole "This is what you do to people" thing that Davros was using against The Doctor and revealing him to be something he hated and I think that also hit home hard and was played upon more in The Waters of Mars. However, I don't like how RTD made The Doctor into that Anti-Hero by making all of his companions lose something. I also don't think Martha would have
@potterwilllive Yeah, I didn't like how the companions all had to become bad people and lose their innocence either just to prove a point about the Doctor. He didn't damage the old series companions. I just think RTD was trying to show how he viewed the show as a child and even though the Doctor is a hero in the show he also has hardships and isn't as much as a hero as we'd all like to believe. I think RTD made it like that to show that it was important that the companions
@potterwilllive remained how they were so they can help keep the Doctor a good person. I do agree though. I don't like that all his companions tried to kill and harm when they know better since they are the ones who taught him that. I agree with that too. I don't think Martha would have blown it up irregardless of how smart she was or not. I don't believe she would have gone through with it and she underestimated Davros more than anything. Davros wasn't just going to give up on the
@Meangrl19 Yeah, it's all about perspective. It's obvious that Moffat and RTD have different views on what Doctor Who is. Sure, The Doctor felt bad when Rory was absorbed by the crack. But it didn't stir up an emotional flashback to Harriet Jones, Donna, and Rose. And I agree, RTD had conflicting messages throughout the series "You need someone to tell you when it's time to stop" and "Your making your companions not know when to stop". And Davros is a genius though
@potterwilllive Actually, I think we didn't see flashbacks because they were only necessary for that part in Journey's End. Davros said how many people have died in your name and then they showed the people that died in his name. It wasn't necessary when Rory died. You're right you do need the Doctor and the companion to overcome the villian, which is what irratates me when RTD insisted on making everyone anti-Doctor. Martha and Rose started out very caring and very empathetic
@potterwilllive and just everything that the Doctor was not. By Journey's End Martha became the Doctor's evil side and for Rose Parting of the Ways she became evil Doctor. That's why I am so glad Donna got to leave before they destroyed her character too. I loved Donna so much, but I am glad he didn't get a chance to rip apart her character like he did to Rose and Martha. I didn't get the traveling alone business in the specials either. I loved the specials, but Donna and Martha
@potterwilllive taught him that he DOES need someone and yet in the specials he's traveling by himself. What bothers me is that Rose, Martha, and Donna were supposed to come back to help him overcome the Master. Here I am looking forward to a reunion between the Master and Martha and in joy that Rose, Martha, and Donna were all going to be in an episode together and we got ripped off. Martha's character is destroyed even more and she isn't seen
@Meangrl19 I agree I was expected more from The End of Time Part 2. Which is a shame, because I think what we got was brilliant if they would have been surprises. But we knew they were going to be in it, and I too expected more. However I also like the Doctor/Master relationship in The End of Time, it develops what we saw in The Sound of Drums. And puts into perspective how they don't fit in with their race and how they need each other as opposites more than they need other time lords as equals
@potterwilllive I agree. I loved the End of Time. Alot of people hate it and I can not even begin to understand why, but I loved everything about it. My favorite parts were the Master/Doctor relationship and you're right we probably wouldn't have got to see that if there was a reunion going on. I think they should have made it longer. We didn't get to see enough of the timelords and I wish there would have been a little reunion and I would have loved to see Rose and Martha working
@potterwilllive together. We didn't get to see much of that in Journey's End. I also really wanted to see Master vs Martha again. I really wanted to see how they'd interact in that situation. I always wondered why he didn't go after her again anyhow. She was the one who brought his downfall and it's in his nature to go after those companions like Peri and Jo, but then again I can understand why he didn't go after her. That would draw the Doctor's attention and he was trying to hide
@potterwilllive from the Doctor at first. I still wish I would have seen more of a Rose, Donna, Martha team and Master vs Martha, but oh well. I loved the End of Time 1 and 2 and the ending with the Master and the Doctor was just wonderful.
@Meangrl19 I agree, I also think it's a shame we never saw Rose/Martha interact. There was just the "oh my god, he finally found you" line from Martha, oh and the "Who's she?" "I was here first" comments from Rose. Which just make me want to see them together, though I think it could have been worse than when Sarah Jane met Rose. Also, another thing you said about The Master not going after Martha. I also thought that was weird how he didn't mention her at all not even wondering why she wasn't
@potterwilllive Yeah, I would have loved to see them together. I don't think they would have fought though. Martha is too mature and Rose won't stoop to that level unless someone messes with her. She usually doesn't even open her mouth when she's jealous unless someone starts with her like Jabe or Sarah Jane did. She wouldn't be jealous of Martha after that comment anyway. Rose could clearly see Martha wasn't competiton once Martha said Oh my god, he found you
@potterwilllive and her tone of voice. So Rose and Martha would have made quite the team and they wouldn't have any petty squabbles over the doctor and Martha was over him by season 4 anyway so they'd really have nothing to fight about at all. Yeah, even after the Master wasn't hiding from the Doctor anymore he still didn't even bring Martha up to the Doctor. I thought it was really weird. Then again the Master's 'he loves playing with earth girls' comment could have been referring to Martha
@potterwilllive It was really odd that the Master didn't bring Martha up to the Doctor though. It's in his nature to want to rub something like that in the Doctor's face. Yeah, it makes sense that he was trying to keep away from anything Doctor-related and he did have had Martha's body by the time the Doctor actually caught up with him, but you'd think that the Master would at least mention her once. He could have even bullied the Doctor about how he took Martha's body, but he didn't.
@Meangrl19 I agree, it wasn't master-like at all. When you consider that down on earth the majority of The Doctor's companions were under the Masters control and he didn't even play on that at all "How does it feel Doctor, everyone you've ever loved on Earth. Gone, Sarah Jane, Jo Grant, Tegan, The Brigadier, Ace and even your latest toy, Miss Martha Jones wearing my grin". It was a lost moment really, could have been something amazing. Especially The Doctor's reaction. And I guess you're right,
@Meangrl19 If they'd have met in The End of Time, Rose would have remembered Marthas reaction to her from the Crucible and they probably would have gotten on just the same as Rose and Sarah did.
@potterwilllive Exactly, the Master would have teased him about it in some way. that's just how he is. It would have been nice to see the Master say something like that and see the Doctor's reaction. Yeah, Rose and Martha would have been like how Rose and Sarah were...well at the end of the show when they were giggling and all friendly with each other.
@Meangrl19 with The Doctor anymore, I supposed like you said he was more focused on keeping away from anything Doctor-related at least until his plan was set in motion - by which time he would have taken over Martha's body anyway.
@Meangrl19 Even The Doctor couldn't stop him, it was a powerful message that, it isn't the companions on there own that can stop the evil. And it's not The Doctor either. It's both elements combined that is needed to stop Davros manifested in The DoctorDonna. Which is why I don't understand the whole "travelling alone" idea The Doctor adopts in The Specials
@Meangrl19 The Doctor losing Rose, which I didn't really like either. Sure have the odd moment when he name is mentioned like in The Shakespeare Code. But The Doctor always soldiers on and doesn't dwell on it. Something that was lost from Series Three onwards I felt. And yeah, Martha was after the thrill, but I felt it was more about her wanting to be with The Doctor than the adventure
@Meangrl19 Martha Jonas blog i'm sure you know that was about her view of everything. Now, if that storyline of her self-conciousness and how she was in the shadow of Rose was brought out more so in the blog it would have been fine and just put a bit more depth to the series. But it became the main focus, SHE became the main focus and it was stupid and too soap-opera like. I hate Martha because of what she did to the series. The moment she left and Donna came on board was when I had a little
@Meangrl19 More faith in RTD as a producer and a writer. Of course, he then started to make the Tenth Doctor some over-dramatic manic depressive. The cause for that was because of 'what he does to his companions'. AKA Martha. And as much as I loved the Tenth Doctor, because of that reason the whole "What do I do to people" I was quite glad to see him go, taking RTD a long with him because RTD had lost what Doctor Who was about. The light-heartedness, the eccentricity and the adventure had gone.
@potterwilllive I agree that RTD lost the lightheartedness of the show, but that started at the end of season 1. The whole thing quickly turned into something of a soap. I still loved Martha's story about her overcoming everything though. It reminds me alot of Harry Potter and I'm a sucker for the ordinary unliked kid overcoming their flaws and problems and saving the day. Like I said, all the companions were the main focus in the RTD ear and obviously you don't hate Rose and Donna so I
@potterwilllive really can't understand why you hate Martha for a similarity she shares with them. They were all the main focus and all of their stories were quite dramatic. RTD had to show everyone that this girl(Martha) was worthy of being a companion so people would get used to not having Rose around. So he made her female Doctor and he did her story(or so I think) fantastically.
@potterwilllive I do agree that she shouldn't have been the main focus of the show, but like I said Rose and Donna and Amy shouldn't have been either and in Martha's defence she had one season to make a good impression.
@Jallorn Oh, that was nothing against Mickey. I love him and I KNOW Rose didn't deserve him AT ALL. I still don't like that Martha was with Rose's ex. That's the only problem I had with Mickey/Martha, to be honest.
@CarondeletMerle not true! i absolutely love all three. i honestly do NOT see why the doctor didn't fall in love with martha. she's beautiful, smart, funny and compassionate! but that would've ruined the storyline so i'm going to shut up now......
@candymandy224 I didn't care if the Doctor fell in love with Martha or not because while I was devastated that he lost Rose I liked this new girl and thought she was going to be his friend and help him through losing Rose. Which she did, but it took all season to do. By the end of it, I didn't want them to be together or even think about it because it disgusted me how cruel the Doctor was to her. She was better off with Tom. Let Rose come back and slap some sense into the Doctor.
@Meangrl19 yeah, i see what you're saying. i think their relationship was very weird! he was really mean to her! but then he was nice.... hmm, i'll never figure it out! lolz
@CarondeletMerle I don't hate Martha. She may not been my favourite companion but I did like her as a companion for most part and a big fan of both Rose and Donna.
@Darkwiccawillow I loved her as a companion, but not with the Doctor. I loved Martha when she was on her own in season 3 she was smart, independent, and she was just very much like the Doctor. When she was with the Doctor though it was horrible. He was cruel to her and instead of standing up for herself like Rose nad Donna would have done, she just let him treat her like a footstool. I was so glad when she left him and when she got over her crush on him.
@Darkwiccawillow It really disgusted me everytime she said she was in love with a man who treated her so terribly. If she's going to think like that, she'd be better off with the Master.
@CarondeletMerle They do hate Martha. Since there are kill!Martha videos on this website you know it sure as h*ll isn't coming from Martha fans. Oh you know it might be Rose fans who made it since Rose was the one who killed her in the video. Yes, it is a real shame because I love all the companions. I feel like I never belong anywhere because while everyone else is bashing other characters to support their favorite characters, I love all the companions and don't want to bash anybody.
@SumWidge Yeah he was really mean to her. I was kind of hoping that Rose would come back and tell him off for Martha since Martha seemed incapable of doing it, but oh well Martha got out and she became a better person for making it through all the stuff that she did. We love her(well I do anyway).
Now I'll know what it would be like if ever the Doctor and the rest of his ex's, turned up at the Jerry Springer Show, and eveyone commented on the subject of the fact that the Doctor IS a bit of a slut (sorry cute Tennant, but it's true...).
Oh and I don't think the Doc' treated Martha badly (?) because of her colour, but purely coz he had no intrest in finding a new bird to ruffle up the feathers of...
BUT, I do have one question: why did he start flirting with Martha in ep.1?
@Nushicat I don't remember him flirting with Martha in episode 1. I remember it in Daleks in Manhatten when he said you can kiss me later, but not anywhere in episode 1 or the rest of the season.
Pursued her romantically? He might have flirted with her a bit but he was by no means looking for a romantic relationship from her. Sure he considers her to be a good friend but did he care for her the same way he did Rose? Hell no. Not even close. He left Rose with the other Doctor because as much as he loved her he knew they couldn't have forever, but with the other Doctor she could. If you couldn't see how heartbroken he was about that decision I don't know what show you've been watching.
wat i dont get is if the doctors soo smart how come he couldnt see wat was in front of him until martha explained it was the reason she was walking away.
wanted to give martha a hug n i love the way jack understands her better than he did rose
@minastirith I think Martha was interesting since she was usually the one saving people and didn't have to constanly be rescued. I like it how she was inpendent and brave, and overcame the things the bad things that happened to her and the horrible way she was treated. I liked how she was like a female version of the Doctor and saved everyone and healed the Doctor all she could when she was a companion even though he was malicious and cruel to her. She was perfect, that Martha.
@minastirith Her only flaw was that she was outshining the Doctor so she had to go. She was never whiney. If you're one of the people who claim it's because she kept complaining the Doctor didn't like her, you're wrong because it was other people that brought it up. Even in Daleks in Manhatten it was Tallulah that brought up the way martha looks at him. Just be thankful she got over her crush in season 4. Martha was fantastic in Torchwood.
@minastirith I don't know what you all look for in a companion, but Martha gained my respect when she continued to save and help everyone, be very useful(more useful than the Doctor was that season), and that she was treated horribly by everyone that season, all that pain and suffering, and it just made her kinder. What a great companion!
@Meangrl19 She was awful, RTD made her to be a rebound to Rose. Always trying to prove herself, it made her seem quite pathetic. Not to mention melodramatic, Donna, Rose, Amy, Sarah are all links to the audience because they have a sense of realism. Martha didn't have that, she was too busy playing Doctor and trying to be different to the average human. A companion is there as someone to relate too, something I really struggle to do with Martha.
The doctor didnt do anything wrong with martha you have to bear un mind he had just lost rose at the start of the series and then afterwards he was fine with her. just because she loved him doesnt mean he had to give her any special treatment. if he didnt love her then thats his choice. honestly give this tv charecter a break lol
@threecardmontegirl No offence, but I HATE when people say stuff like this. I hate that donna is only liked because she didn't like the Doctor. (Love? Martha wasn't in love with him.) Anyway, love Donna because of how awesome she is. Don't love her just by comparison. Just because she didn't like the Doctor.
@threecardmontegirl Love her because she stayed a good person until the bitter end. That she became better in her first episode and then stayed caring and helped the Doctor. That's some of the reasons I love Donna!
There's a poor excuse; isn't the doctor a genius? He knew exactly what he was saying and how it would hurt Martha, but like Donna said in Runaway Bride, "sometimes you need someone to stop you." Well the Doctor fell on his face when Martha told him she was getting out didn't he? He deserved to be hurt, he hurt Martha unnecessarily through out Series 3. It wasn't Martha's fault that Rose was lost, and if he didn't want Martha there, then he should have left her alone from the start.
He did like martha he thought she was brilliant. Some people can just get so rapped up in everything else they say things without thinking, he wanted a friend nothing more. donna relised that and martha did too, thats why she left, she explained it. guys are like that they don't notice things like that. they understand what they feel and try to epithise but that doesn't mean there perfect at it.
Because the Doctor is male, it does not give him the right to be insensitive and use other people. In this the Daleks leader in "Journey's End" was correct. He reminded the Doctor of all the people who'd suffered and/or died because he used them. Sorry the Doctor is not a child. It's particularly bad because Martha is Black, so the Doctor's behavior implies that its o.k., to treat her with less respect than he has previously treated other female companions. I saw nothing wrong with the girl.
I agree with you, I think that he thinks because he's had a hard life and is the last of his kind etc it gives him a right to think he's better than anyone else and abuse them without even thinking about it.
I agree with you, however, what's most disturbing is that I am not convinced that the Doctor didn't ill treat Martha on purpose. At the end of "Gridlock" he literally laughed in Martha's face, when she asked him about what the face of Boe said, "you are not alone", did he mean that you've got me? Couldn't the Doc just have said, "thank you, that's so nice of you to say?" Then it went down hill from there, yet they were still able to bond throughout the Series, amazing.
kinda wish martha didn't fancy the doctor...would be nice for him to have a close friend who didn't fancy him ;) but jack would fancy him, i kinda assumed that ;) xx
awesomelyizzy 1 week ago
Wow, just reading some comments, like I seem to do when I'm curious. Fans can get too damn serious, kinda funny(?) Too much fussing over Martha and Rose over deal. I found this because I rather like Jack and his crush on the Doctor. I totally ship those two! ♥ Jack/Ten! ♥
(Jack's "You too huh?" made this go from starting to get serious to some bloody humor, have to thank him for that! :)
xxbunny55xx 1 month ago
PLEASE TROLL MARTHA MORE. kthx.
Lothlorienne 1 month ago
oh my god doctor you are such a douchebag you fucking idiot
tloZ1FAN 2 months ago
Ten was kind of a douche to Martha, but how would he know she liked him? She made it obvious, yeah, but the only thing he would notice at that time was if Rose came up and started flirting.
219kenzie 2 months ago
lol Ten, what a douche move
dbzcoolman23 4 months ago
@dbzcoolman23 He's the Doctor....he's pretty oblivious to that kind of stuff. He probably has no idea Martha...or Jack..fanicies him. Plus, he's in love with Rose still so even if he knew, it wouldn't change anything. I feel bad for Martha, but she hasn't taken a hint yet that he probably won't like her as anything more than a friend. I like Martha, but 10/Rose forever I'm afraid.
Xwaterwolf100X 3 months ago 2
I laughed 'cause I thought the line was genius, but know that I think about it I feel bad. Poor Martha, I really liked her :(
JoBrosRockedMyWorld 5 months ago 2
I laughed to hard when I saw this, I was crying :)
RiverW70 5 months ago
martha's just looking at like she wants to say "story.of.my.life." lol. :D
Peacepuppy5 5 months ago 3
what episode it's from?
Madinkin 5 months ago
@Madinkin Series 3 Episode 12 - The Sound of Drums
...I think :P That was from memory, feel free to correct me!
mrrix32 5 months ago
@mrrix32 Nope, you're right! :)
TalulahCarmichael2 5 months ago
lol, when i watched that i just went "ouuuuuuccchhh" then laughed after jack's line
blondierginger37 5 months ago
Im so glad you uploaded this, I love this episode and love that scene. Only really makes sense when you watch the others in Series 3
BowtieFezStetson 7 months ago
Who is River Song?
"51st Century technology. You people have no idea." - Jack
brainlock72 7 months ago
Jack turned this moment into a lol.
Bottery 9 months ago 47
jack fancies the doctor
gecomaman 10 months ago 40
@gecomaman no shit sherlock ;) xx
awesomelyizzy 1 week ago
story of my life...
enodiaofthestar 10 months ago
ooooh, that was mean, Doctor! :D
McCartneysWife69 10 months ago 2
@McCartneysWife69 no but he was completely clueless! he was just making an example
birchdryadgirl 8 months ago
This sums up Valentines day (for me at least)
HieiYYH2 11 months ago 2
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Meangrl19 1 year ago
The first time I heard this, I honestly thought for a moment that it was a cruel, cruel remark directed at Martha. Then I realized the Doctor just has slight idiotic tendencies.
And the Doctor didn't mean to be a jerk to her- he just wasn't over Rose at all, and the idea of needing someone else either was horrific or never actually occurred to him, so he could never really accept Martha.
ScarlettSarcasm 1 year ago
The 1st time i saw this, i honestly felt like slapping my TV. XD How can some1 b so smart yet so oblivious?!?!!? (And still hott at the same time XD)
Beep12gurl 1 year ago
...yeah, like how I fancied someone (let's just say she was from a family from Norway via the UK, still from Australia like myself - her mother was apparently half-Maori, but she looked Caucasian to me, slightly harsh-yet-good-looking woman she was) and and all she wanted out of me was just a friend. Still, I guess that was better than what Martha put up with. At least I was let down gently, but then again, why doesn't the Doctor just say he only wants friends straight out? *facepalm*
KangarusGyrfalcon 1 year ago
The Doctor was nice to everyone else, but he acted liked he despised her so...oh well. I like how she ended up with Tom after this. :)
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 Well. She did and she didn't. In Sontaran Stratagem she's engaged to him, but by the End of Time she's married to Mickey. I wouldn't feel sorry for her, she played Tom. And either way, The Doctor is oblivious to someone being attracted to him. Look at when Amy tries it on with him.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive I don't know which of my post you're addressing. I know Martha didn't play Tom though. She liked him and she didn't just use him. The Doctor wasn't oblivious to may's advances. It was pretty clear what she wanted. He just didn't want to give it to her because he knew both of them would regret it. Martha was not in any way 'awful'. She was NOT a rebound to Rose in ANY way. It's even said in the confidentials and even Tennant says that Martha isn't a rebound because there
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive is a long gap of time between when Donna told him to find someone and when he met Martha. He asked Martha long because he found her interesting and was only pushed to ask her along because she saved his life. Martha was not a rebound in any way and I just shake my head everytime I read that. Martha unlike Rose never got to live her life and experience things. Jackie was a 'cool' mom. She let Rose have boyfriends and friends and have a life. We see in the
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive show that Francine does not let Martha experience life at all and the Doctor is the first guy she can really get close to without her mother interferring and her mom still found a way to do that. Martha thought the Doctor liked her because he kissed her in the hospital and then he asked her along for a ride in the tardis so she thought he liked her. Which is perfectly understandable. Martha is crippled emotionally by her parents divorce or maybe it has more to do with the fact
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive that they are constantly at eachothers throats. Martha was always tryign to probve herself because the Doctor was always talking down to her and telling her she wasn't good enough. So she tried to improve herself. Not to mention, what you're saying is just ridculous. So you don't like Rose either? Rose was always trying to prove herself too. Evne on the confidentials Tennant says that Donna was different from Rose and Martha because she wasn't always trying to
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive prove herself. I also loved the you made it sound like RTD made Martha bad on purpose. RTD wrote Martha purposelly so she WAS better than Rose. Martha constanly trying to be a better person and live up to the Doctor and Rose made Martha a better person and he says that by the end of the season she got out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadows. Basically, she was made to be Doctor/Rose/Martha new and improved. By the end of that season she was part Doctor, part Rose, part
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Martha. By the end of that season his intentionw as to show that she was better and that the Doctor took this woman for granted. You talk like Martha trying to improve and develop is a bad thing. Was it annoying that she was constanly seeking for approval? Yes, but you seemed to miss the whole point of her story. Season 3 is about Martha growing up. It's about her looking for approval from the Doctor and Francine and trying to be their idea of perfect and the end result is
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive she takes in all that she's suffered and she learns from it and turns everything into strength. Martha had it all when she started out but there was one thing missing. She wasn't complete yet. She need to accept herself for who she was. By the end of the season she learned and tranformed to be Martha, but a better Martha. A Martha that accepted herself for who she was. That was the brilliance of the story and it is alot of heroes stories that their greatest accomplishment
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive is that they just accepted themselves for who they were and they saved the world just by being one of the people that gave a damn and tried to save it. You say Martha doesn't have a sense of realism, but she was the most human of all. Even when she saved the universe everything she did was so human. You say she played the Doctor. You've just got to be joking. The Doctor played her. He useed her and took advnatage of her loneliness. He used her for his
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive own selfish reasons and made her suffer a great amount without having a care about what it would do to her. That is another one of Martha's greatest victories. She overcame all of the things that the Doctor had done to her. She rose about all his mistreatments of her. Martha, by the way, was the most worthiest companion. She suffered so much for him, far more than the other companions, and she still stuck around to took care of him. Martha was so selfess; so generous.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive She was constanly there for the Doctor despite how cruel he was to her. You seemed to miss the whole point of her story and the character. You also seem to be one of the people who missed all the similarities between Doctor & Martha and Master & Lucy. You don't seem to understand that your Doctor is flawed too. The men were the villians in this; not the women. The women were their victims.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I understand the story fine thank you very much. You've just pinpointed exactly what is wrong with Martha. She's a victim, and it's played upon far too much and overdramatised. It's annoying. The show is about an eccentric man who travels with a friend and saves the universe. The whole of Series 3 felt as though I'd sat through a soap. Martha is a victim of neglect from her love, yet she keeps soldiering on because she loves him so much. Thankfully we then got given Donna and then Amy
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Martha's story is a heroic story. She had to suffer and be a victim for the end result to be great. She overcame all her suffering and in the end accepted herself for who she was and stopped being who everyone wanted her to be. Not to mention she only had that one flaw and by the end of the season she bettered herself and got rid of that flaw. The Doctor and her mother constantly made her feel worthless and was constaly trying to gain their approval because they made her
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive feel that way, but by the end of the season she bettered herself and came to accept herself for who she was. She overcame all her weaknesses and by the end of the season she got out of Rose's and the Doctor's shadows. She proved to herself and everyone else that she was an amazing person and she was more than worthy of being one of the Doctor's companions. The Doctor is the one who talked down to her and made her feel that she neeeded to prove herself and
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive by the end of the season she did prove herself to everyone including herself. By the way, Martha wasn't in love with the Doctor. RTD said it in the confidentials.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I know the story, it's all very heroic and I appreciate that it makes you love the character. I think it's great. But I don't like her, for the reasons that you do like her. RTD made me not like her by making her the centre of attention. The show is about the Doctor and his companion, the majority of time it's an equal relationship, but The Doctor sometimes outshines the companion through his experience. I think Martha's Journey would have made a great subplot, there was a
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive I never said you did have to like the character. I just would just like it if people would like Martha for reasons that are true rather than reasons that are not true. If you don't like her because she was the center of attention than fine. That's true she was the center of attention during her season, but there was a reason for that. Martha only had one season to make a good impression and she came after Rose whose fans were angry that some new girl was taking her place.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive RTD had to make Martha look good and he did that. Martha was female!Doctor and you're right the show should be about the Doctor not his companion, but have you noticed that all the seasons with RTD as showrunner have the companion as the center of attention? Rose, Martha, and Donna were. Actually even Amy is with Moffat as showrunner. I loved Martha's story though and I didn't hold anything against her character just because she was the center of attention.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Then I'd have to dislike all the main companions from RTD's era because they were the center of attention to.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 The difference is, Rose and Donna were in it for the thrill. There stories were about their relationship with the Doctor as friends. And whilst the focus was on them it never felt like they were taking the focus off the Doctor. With Martha it did because of the lack of relationship she and The Doctor had.
As for Series 5. The storyline is all about Amy, but the difference is she doesn't know about it. And The Doctor does. It's almost the opposite of Series Three in that respect.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Martha was in it for the thrill too and because this was a chance to experience life because her mother wouldn't let her before. I felt that all of them took the focus off the Doctor. They needed to focus on their lack of relationship to get the story across and I know that made it focus on Martha more, but at the same time it also focused alot on the Doctor and about him losing Rose.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 @Meangrl19 I think it's because whilst Rose was the centre of attention she didn't take anything away from the heart of the show. Same with Donna, she was the centre of attention to some extent. But it didn't feel like The Doctor was having the limelight stolen off him. Not from my point of view anyway. I mean, don't get me wrong. The Martha storyline of her development is brilliant. But not for Doctor Who. It takes a lot out of the show. And I agree, it did also shed focus on
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Well to me it sounds like you don't hate Martha just that her story overshadowed the Doctor's and that's it. I just didn't understand how anyone could hate a character like Martha. She's good person. Dislike I guess I could understand, but not hate. To be honest, I didn't like the Doctor dwelling on the past with Rose either, but I think RTD was trying to show that the Doctor was heartbroken from losing everything: his people, his world, and all his companions including Rose
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive You're right the Doctor does usually just move on, but I think RTD was trying to show us that this is where the Doctor finally just-broke down because he kept losing so much. It wasn't just losing his recent companion that brought him down so much. That's another reason why I appreaciated and loved Martha's character so much because she helped the Doctor get better. She was the Doctor's Doctor. Yes, that gave her more focus, but at the same time we were focused
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive on the Doctor and his pain so we could understand what a huge deal it was when Martha made him all better again. In a way, I agree. I think Martha was after the thrill and living her life which is something Francine wouldn't let her do. I think wanting to be with the Doctor fell under that living her life category. She saw an oppurtunity to be with a guy she liked without her mother finding some way to break them up. Unfortunatley for Martha she was wrong when she thought
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive he liked her, but she still stayed because she wanted to live her life and for the adventure and the thrill. Some in a way I agree with that because she did push herself to go with him because she thought he liked her, but she quickly found out he didn't and that he wasn't over Rose and she stuck around because of the adventure and the thrill she got from it. I think she wanted and needed to live her life the way Francine would never allow her to and that's why she stayed.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive The Doctor helping her to experience life helped her character a great deal to. We got to see Martha grow up and became a really great person. I loved that about her story. By the way, I am sorry for these long messages.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 Haha, it's fine. I've never liked Martha, but I've never been able to pinpoint why that was. This as helped. I don't hate her, but I do hate her storyline. Its a shame she was percieved as such a rebound character. I think she gets a lot of bad credit because a lot of the fans hated her before she even started because "She'll never be as good as Rose" but that's not me. She's not my favourite character, I don't particularly like her because she seems to not care about the Doctor at
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Like I said in a previous post RTD and Tennant said that Martha was not a rebound character/companion. There was a gap between when Donna told him to find someone and when he met Martha. He took her along because he found her interesting. In fact, if you listen to that confidential it will tell the story better than I can. Basically Tennant made it clear to us that Martha wasn't a rebound though. I'm glad that you don't hate Martha like everyone else, but I
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive don't think it's her storyline that you hate. I think it's just that her storyline overshadowed the Doctor's storyline. Yes, that's true alot of people did hate her before she even started because they were remaining loyal to Rose. Alot of people I talk to seem to hate Martha for reasons that just aren't true about her character or that actress. That or they just don't seem to understand her or her storyline. In fact some people even love Martha for reasons that aren't true.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Like some people love her because of her unrequinted love. It wasn't unrequinted love since she got over him and he didn't love her. Neither of the two loved each other. It doesn't bother me that she isn't your favorite character, but atleast now you can dislike her storyline for reasons that make sense. Like I said, many other people don't seem to understand Martha's character and end up hating her for reasons that aren't true or they look for reason to hate her
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 all by the time we get to Journeys End and the Osterhargen Key. The whole "I am a member of the Unified Intelligence Taskforce" attitude really got under my skin and put me off her a little bit more. I was however glad to see she'd left and was married to Mr. Mickey Smith in The End of Time Part 2. Both her and Mickey had lived in the shadows of Rose and The Doctor and it's quite fitting that they should be together. Though I feel sorry for Tom Milligan.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive because they are the mean fans of Rose. I don't agree that Martha didn't care about the Doctor. I think she cared about him too much. He was always the one who acted like he didn't care about her, but then again that was for a reason. He didn't want to care about her and then lose her too and then that happened anyway. It really sucked that the Doctor didn't get to have any happy memories with her before she left him and her leaving must have hurt him the
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive most out of Rose, Martha, and Donna leaving him because Rose and Donna had to be dragged out of there while Martha just walked out with a smile on her face, but she made the right choice for both of them. As for her I'm a UNIT member thing, she was trying to play the Doctor again and this time it wasn't his good side. Remember how he blew up Gallifrey to save the rest of the universe? That's what Martha was doing. I didn't like that at all. Martha knows better
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive and she should have learned from the Doctor's mistake. She saw how it ruined him. As for Mickey and Martha, I didn't like their realtionship because Martha was given Rose's sloppy seconds and I didn 't like that Mickey and Martha only had their shared mistreatment to converse about. I do love both of them though. I also feel bad for Tom. Tom and Martha would have been wonderful together.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I feel like she tries to play Doctor too much though. The Doctor's own people had become corrupt, which is why he ended the War. By blowing up Earth, Martha would have stopped Davros' plan. But Davros and his Daleks would still have been very much at large. Blowing up herself, her family and friends for nothing. I realise now that The Doctor did exactly that, but not intentionally.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive The Doctor did do that intentionally though. Well, actually he meant to kill them and not get them trapped in a timelock, but I think he got lucky with that one. Either way they were still considered dead and they couldn't live their lives so they were dead. She was trying to sacrifice herself and her planet to save the rest of the universe. So it wasn't all for nothing. Davros wouldn't be able to use the reality bomb and she was trying to follow in the Doctor's footsteps.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive That was the whole point of that episode: Davros had his point proven that the Doctor isn't as great as he's made out to be because he takes normal people and turns them into weapons and he was also proving to the Doctor that many people die in his name. He was trying to rub it in the Doctor's face that he's more of a monster than a hero. Also, Martha was bluffing I think. She kept repeating the Leave this planet and it's people alone or I'll use it. I don't think Martha
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive would have been able to do it and I really think she was just trying to scare Davros off. She doesn't get that Davros was worse than the Master and you couldn't just trick Davros like she was trying to do. Jack and the others were also trying to blow up things to try and stop Davros which wasn't right either. Really though, Martha wouldn't have been able to blow up her planet. The most important thing to her is her family and she'd never be able to go through with it. She
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive kept stalling with Davros and threatning, but she never made a move to go through with it. I don't beleive she could have.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 What I probably hadn't made clear was that. The Doctor also let the Daleks live on, but not intentionally. I get the whole "This is what you do to people" thing that Davros was using against The Doctor and revealing him to be something he hated and I think that also hit home hard and was played upon more in The Waters of Mars. However, I don't like how RTD made The Doctor into that Anti-Hero by making all of his companions lose something. I also don't think Martha would have
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Yeah, I didn't like how the companions all had to become bad people and lose their innocence either just to prove a point about the Doctor. He didn't damage the old series companions. I just think RTD was trying to show how he viewed the show as a child and even though the Doctor is a hero in the show he also has hardships and isn't as much as a hero as we'd all like to believe. I think RTD made it like that to show that it was important that the companions
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive remained how they were so they can help keep the Doctor a good person. I do agree though. I don't like that all his companions tried to kill and harm when they know better since they are the ones who taught him that. I agree with that too. I don't think Martha would have blown it up irregardless of how smart she was or not. I don't believe she would have gone through with it and she underestimated Davros more than anything. Davros wasn't just going to give up on the
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive reality bomb because she threatened to mess with it. Like we saw he found a way to stop her and she should have known better.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 Yeah, it's all about perspective. It's obvious that Moffat and RTD have different views on what Doctor Who is. Sure, The Doctor felt bad when Rory was absorbed by the crack. But it didn't stir up an emotional flashback to Harriet Jones, Donna, and Rose. And I agree, RTD had conflicting messages throughout the series "You need someone to tell you when it's time to stop" and "Your making your companions not know when to stop". And Davros is a genius though
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Actually, I think we didn't see flashbacks because they were only necessary for that part in Journey's End. Davros said how many people have died in your name and then they showed the people that died in his name. It wasn't necessary when Rory died. You're right you do need the Doctor and the companion to overcome the villian, which is what irratates me when RTD insisted on making everyone anti-Doctor. Martha and Rose started out very caring and very empathetic
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive and just everything that the Doctor was not. By Journey's End Martha became the Doctor's evil side and for Rose Parting of the Ways she became evil Doctor. That's why I am so glad Donna got to leave before they destroyed her character too. I loved Donna so much, but I am glad he didn't get a chance to rip apart her character like he did to Rose and Martha. I didn't get the traveling alone business in the specials either. I loved the specials, but Donna and Martha
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive taught him that he DOES need someone and yet in the specials he's traveling by himself. What bothers me is that Rose, Martha, and Donna were supposed to come back to help him overcome the Master. Here I am looking forward to a reunion between the Master and Martha and in joy that Rose, Martha, and Donna were all going to be in an episode together and we got ripped off. Martha's character is destroyed even more and she isn't seen
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive with the Master once, Donna didn't even serve a purpose, and Rose was hardly in it.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I agree I was expected more from The End of Time Part 2. Which is a shame, because I think what we got was brilliant if they would have been surprises. But we knew they were going to be in it, and I too expected more. However I also like the Doctor/Master relationship in The End of Time, it develops what we saw in The Sound of Drums. And puts into perspective how they don't fit in with their race and how they need each other as opposites more than they need other time lords as equals
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive I agree. I loved the End of Time. Alot of people hate it and I can not even begin to understand why, but I loved everything about it. My favorite parts were the Master/Doctor relationship and you're right we probably wouldn't have got to see that if there was a reunion going on. I think they should have made it longer. We didn't get to see enough of the timelords and I wish there would have been a little reunion and I would have loved to see Rose and Martha working
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive together. We didn't get to see much of that in Journey's End. I also really wanted to see Master vs Martha again. I really wanted to see how they'd interact in that situation. I always wondered why he didn't go after her again anyhow. She was the one who brought his downfall and it's in his nature to go after those companions like Peri and Jo, but then again I can understand why he didn't go after her. That would draw the Doctor's attention and he was trying to hide
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive from the Doctor at first. I still wish I would have seen more of a Rose, Donna, Martha team and Master vs Martha, but oh well. I loved the End of Time 1 and 2 and the ending with the Master and the Doctor was just wonderful.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I agree, I also think it's a shame we never saw Rose/Martha interact. There was just the "oh my god, he finally found you" line from Martha, oh and the "Who's she?" "I was here first" comments from Rose. Which just make me want to see them together, though I think it could have been worse than when Sarah Jane met Rose. Also, another thing you said about The Master not going after Martha. I also thought that was weird how he didn't mention her at all not even wondering why she wasn't
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Yeah, I would have loved to see them together. I don't think they would have fought though. Martha is too mature and Rose won't stoop to that level unless someone messes with her. She usually doesn't even open her mouth when she's jealous unless someone starts with her like Jabe or Sarah Jane did. She wouldn't be jealous of Martha after that comment anyway. Rose could clearly see Martha wasn't competiton once Martha said Oh my god, he found you
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive and her tone of voice. So Rose and Martha would have made quite the team and they wouldn't have any petty squabbles over the doctor and Martha was over him by season 4 anyway so they'd really have nothing to fight about at all. Yeah, even after the Master wasn't hiding from the Doctor anymore he still didn't even bring Martha up to the Doctor. I thought it was really weird. Then again the Master's 'he loves playing with earth girls' comment could have been referring to Martha
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive It was really odd that the Master didn't bring Martha up to the Doctor though. It's in his nature to want to rub something like that in the Doctor's face. Yeah, it makes sense that he was trying to keep away from anything Doctor-related and he did have had Martha's body by the time the Doctor actually caught up with him, but you'd think that the Master would at least mention her once. He could have even bullied the Doctor about how he took Martha's body, but he didn't.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive He didn't even mention her once or try to get at her. It was very unMaster-like.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 I agree, it wasn't master-like at all. When you consider that down on earth the majority of The Doctor's companions were under the Masters control and he didn't even play on that at all "How does it feel Doctor, everyone you've ever loved on Earth. Gone, Sarah Jane, Jo Grant, Tegan, The Brigadier, Ace and even your latest toy, Miss Martha Jones wearing my grin". It was a lost moment really, could have been something amazing. Especially The Doctor's reaction. And I guess you're right,
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 If they'd have met in The End of Time, Rose would have remembered Marthas reaction to her from the Crucible and they probably would have gotten on just the same as Rose and Sarah did.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive Exactly, the Master would have teased him about it in some way. that's just how he is. It would have been nice to see the Master say something like that and see the Doctor's reaction. Yeah, Rose and Martha would have been like how Rose and Sarah were...well at the end of the show when they were giggling and all friendly with each other.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 with The Doctor anymore, I supposed like you said he was more focused on keeping away from anything Doctor-related at least until his plan was set in motion - by which time he would have taken over Martha's body anyway.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 and I don't think we would have seen that so much if we had a big reunion going on as well.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 Even The Doctor couldn't stop him, it was a powerful message that, it isn't the companions on there own that can stop the evil. And it's not The Doctor either. It's both elements combined that is needed to stop Davros manifested in The DoctorDonna. Which is why I don't understand the whole "travelling alone" idea The Doctor adopts in The Specials
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 the stupidity to blow the Earth up, she just underestimated the power of the Daleks.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 The Doctor losing Rose, which I didn't really like either. Sure have the odd moment when he name is mentioned like in The Shakespeare Code. But The Doctor always soldiers on and doesn't dwell on it. Something that was lost from Series Three onwards I felt. And yeah, Martha was after the thrill, but I felt it was more about her wanting to be with The Doctor than the adventure
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 Martha Jonas blog i'm sure you know that was about her view of everything. Now, if that storyline of her self-conciousness and how she was in the shadow of Rose was brought out more so in the blog it would have been fine and just put a bit more depth to the series. But it became the main focus, SHE became the main focus and it was stupid and too soap-opera like. I hate Martha because of what she did to the series. The moment she left and Donna came on board was when I had a little
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 More faith in RTD as a producer and a writer. Of course, he then started to make the Tenth Doctor some over-dramatic manic depressive. The cause for that was because of 'what he does to his companions'. AKA Martha. And as much as I loved the Tenth Doctor, because of that reason the whole "What do I do to people" I was quite glad to see him go, taking RTD a long with him because RTD had lost what Doctor Who was about. The light-heartedness, the eccentricity and the adventure had gone.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
@potterwilllive I agree that RTD lost the lightheartedness of the show, but that started at the end of season 1. The whole thing quickly turned into something of a soap. I still loved Martha's story about her overcoming everything though. It reminds me alot of Harry Potter and I'm a sucker for the ordinary unliked kid overcoming their flaws and problems and saving the day. Like I said, all the companions were the main focus in the RTD ear and obviously you don't hate Rose and Donna so I
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive really can't understand why you hate Martha for a similarity she shares with them. They were all the main focus and all of their stories were quite dramatic. RTD had to show everyone that this girl(Martha) was worthy of being a companion so people would get used to not having Rose around. So he made her female Doctor and he did her story(or so I think) fantastically.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@potterwilllive I do agree that she shouldn't have been the main focus of the show, but like I said Rose and Donna and Amy shouldn't have been either and in Martha's defence she had one season to make a good impression.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
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@potterwilllive Why don't you read my whole message instead of just one bit of it, by the way.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 she ended up with Mickey after him :)
BuffyCharmedRule 9 months ago
@BuffyCharmedRule I know. Unfortunately. Don't get me wrong, I love Mickey, but I'm sick of Martha always getting Rose's sloppy seconds.
Meangrl19 9 months ago
@Meangrl19 Hardly, Mickey is awesome, and Rose didn't even deserve him.
Jallorn 9 months ago 2
@Jallorn Oh, that was nothing against Mickey. I love him and I KNOW Rose didn't deserve him AT ALL. I still don't like that Martha was with Rose's ex. That's the only problem I had with Mickey/Martha, to be honest.
Meangrl19 9 months ago
@Alannahbby1 He did know that Martha liked him, he just didn't give a damn.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
"You too, huh?"
XD
MegaFafnir 1 year ago
I I feel like Rose and Donna fans hate Martha, which is sad because she is one of my favourite companions
CarondeletMerle 1 year ago 7
@CarondeletMerle
Yeah, I mean, she practically became a friggin soldier. Martha was AWESOME.
Fuleadeare 1 year ago
@CarondeletMerle not true! i absolutely love all three. i honestly do NOT see why the doctor didn't fall in love with martha. she's beautiful, smart, funny and compassionate! but that would've ruined the storyline so i'm going to shut up now......
candymandy224 1 year ago
@candymandy224 I didn't care if the Doctor fell in love with Martha or not because while I was devastated that he lost Rose I liked this new girl and thought she was going to be his friend and help him through losing Rose. Which she did, but it took all season to do. By the end of it, I didn't want them to be together or even think about it because it disgusted me how cruel the Doctor was to her. She was better off with Tom. Let Rose come back and slap some sense into the Doctor.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 yeah, i see what you're saying. i think their relationship was very weird! he was really mean to her! but then he was nice.... hmm, i'll never figure it out! lolz
candymandy224 1 year ago
@CarondeletMerle I don't hate Martha. She may not been my favourite companion but I did like her as a companion for most part and a big fan of both Rose and Donna.
Darkwiccawillow 1 year ago
@Darkwiccawillow I loved her as a companion, but not with the Doctor. I loved Martha when she was on her own in season 3 she was smart, independent, and she was just very much like the Doctor. When she was with the Doctor though it was horrible. He was cruel to her and instead of standing up for herself like Rose nad Donna would have done, she just let him treat her like a footstool. I was so glad when she left him and when she got over her crush on him.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Darkwiccawillow It really disgusted me everytime she said she was in love with a man who treated her so terribly. If she's going to think like that, she'd be better off with the Master.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@CarondeletMerle They do hate Martha. Since there are kill!Martha videos on this website you know it sure as h*ll isn't coming from Martha fans. Oh you know it might be Rose fans who made it since Rose was the one who killed her in the video. Yes, it is a real shame because I love all the companions. I feel like I never belong anywhere because while everyone else is bashing other characters to support their favorite characters, I love all the companions and don't want to bash anybody.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
Okay, this has to be the best clip EVER! I love them all SO much!
Perfectsymmetry18 1 year ago 2
Poor Martha and Jack.
brie015 1 year ago 2
he is so bloody clueless. Bit like owen harper really.
It's the perception filter explanation, like on the fobwatch and the keys.
TheChiaraday 2 years ago 3
Haha lol marthas face lol and yes jack fancies the doctor lol
CountVernus 2 years ago 5
Does Jack fancy the doctor?
Flyingbluewolverine 2 years ago
how would the doctor know about that?
twilightnotthebook 2 years ago 5
Poor Martha.
AnoukvdS 2 years ago
**You too huh?** HAHA
evangeline5432 2 years ago 7
I love this! Thx 4 posting it!!!
cupidsheart1936 2 years ago
witch episode is this from?
Verooniiikaaaa 2 years ago
I'm not exactly sure, but it's from one of the two last episodes of the third series
Epetrus1204 2 years ago
aha, I remember! the thingy with the keys, so they couldn't get noticed
Verooniiikaaaa 2 years ago
Its from Sound of the Drums
cupidsheart1936 2 years ago
lol! Man, BBC America cuts stuff out because I have this on my DVR and Jack never says that! :D
darkchick843 2 years ago 6
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The Doctor should never fall in love with his "bitches". Its just not proper pimp etiquette.
Dangturtle 2 years ago
jesus if i was in martha's position i would slap him
for.. 1 comparing her to rose
2 not saying sorry for all the shit hes put her through
3. and being selfish
but the truth is that i could never slap his face other wise it would mess his face up and i love him to much xD hes to cute :)
SumWidge 2 years ago 36
then just get ur mother to i mean in doctor who the mothers of the compaions have slaped him before
krizzy1997 2 years ago 2
@SumWidge Yeah he was really mean to her. I was kind of hoping that Rose would come back and tell him off for Martha since Martha seemed incapable of doing it, but oh well Martha got out and she became a better person for making it through all the stuff that she did. We love her(well I do anyway).
Meangrl19 1 year ago
she is the cutest thing when he says that
i love martha, she deserved better than the doctor (although i do love him a lot too; but he is a bit of a pimp!!)
magicbaby44 2 years ago 11
@magicbaby44 I love the Doctor, but not with Martha. You're right she deserved alot better.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
you too huh lol
SilverWallMovies 2 years ago 3
jack ha ha i met him at wh smiths
westlifeisbrillboi 2 years ago 5
omg!!! you met him!!! :0
im jealous, did you say hi? mahaha
lol, i like love john barrowman :0
i wanna meet him in wh smiths ;'(
oh well x
lol
ellllieeex
clareandellie 2 years ago 4
Lol
moses4611 3 years ago 2
I totally get that feeling.
MKTrny 3 years ago 6
Bleedin' heck!
Now I'll know what it would be like if ever the Doctor and the rest of his ex's, turned up at the Jerry Springer Show, and eveyone commented on the subject of the fact that the Doctor IS a bit of a slut (sorry cute Tennant, but it's true...).
Oh and I don't think the Doc' treated Martha badly (?) because of her colour, but purely coz he had no intrest in finding a new bird to ruffle up the feathers of...
BUT, I do have one question: why did he start flirting with Martha in ep.1?
Nushicat 3 years ago 7
@Nushicat I don't remember him flirting with Martha in episode 1. I remember it in Daleks in Manhatten when he said you can kiss me later, but not anywhere in episode 1 or the rest of the season.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
Pursued her romantically? He might have flirted with her a bit but he was by no means looking for a romantic relationship from her. Sure he considers her to be a good friend but did he care for her the same way he did Rose? Hell no. Not even close. He left Rose with the other Doctor because as much as he loved her he knew they couldn't have forever, but with the other Doctor she could. If you couldn't see how heartbroken he was about that decision I don't know what show you've been watching.
CrazyGirl1580 3 years ago 6
torchwood234 jacks "u 2 huh" means that hes tellin martha thats hes in the same situation with the doctor even thoufgh he has ianto
Kerriangel 3 years ago 4
wat i dont get is if the doctors soo smart how come he couldnt see wat was in front of him until martha explained it was the reason she was walking away.
wanted to give martha a hug n i love the way jack understands her better than he did rose
Kerriangel 3 years ago
oh, i forgot to add - this bit is from "the sound of drums", right? if not, please tell me what episode it is from.
thexdoctorxandxrose 3 years ago
Yes this is from that episode
mrrix32 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm totally a Rose fan but I hate this bit. I can't believe he said that to Martha.
ladyjeanne07 3 years ago 4
me too. 1 agree 104 %. but im so happy for martha now that she and capt. jack are together. =] i wish she would come back - she was so great.
thexdoctorxandxrose 3 years ago
wait, whaaaaaaa?
and guh, I'm really tired of martha.
I wish the opposite, I wish she'd go away.
I find her really boring and quite whiney, and now it seems like she's going to torchwood.
minastirith 3 years ago
@minastirith I think Martha was interesting since she was usually the one saving people and didn't have to constanly be rescued. I like it how she was inpendent and brave, and overcame the things the bad things that happened to her and the horrible way she was treated. I liked how she was like a female version of the Doctor and saved everyone and healed the Doctor all she could when she was a companion even though he was malicious and cruel to her. She was perfect, that Martha.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@minastirith Her only flaw was that she was outshining the Doctor so she had to go. She was never whiney. If you're one of the people who claim it's because she kept complaining the Doctor didn't like her, you're wrong because it was other people that brought it up. Even in Daleks in Manhatten it was Tallulah that brought up the way martha looks at him. Just be thankful she got over her crush in season 4. Martha was fantastic in Torchwood.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@minastirith I don't know what you all look for in a companion, but Martha gained my respect when she continued to save and help everyone, be very useful(more useful than the Doctor was that season), and that she was treated horribly by everyone that season, all that pain and suffering, and it just made her kinder. What a great companion!
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@Meangrl19 She was awful, RTD made her to be a rebound to Rose. Always trying to prove herself, it made her seem quite pathetic. Not to mention melodramatic, Donna, Rose, Amy, Sarah are all links to the audience because they have a sense of realism. Martha didn't have that, she was too busy playing Doctor and trying to be different to the average human. A companion is there as someone to relate too, something I really struggle to do with Martha.
potterwilllive 1 year ago
what does jack mean 'you to huh'
i dont get it
torchwood234 3 years ago
Jack also has a little crush on the Doctor. :D
Serenity113 3 years ago 16
The doctor didnt do anything wrong with martha you have to bear un mind he had just lost rose at the start of the series and then afterwards he was fine with her. just because she loved him doesnt mean he had to give her any special treatment. if he didnt love her then thats his choice. honestly give this tv charecter a break lol
hilljamie94 3 years ago
Poor Martha!
Aliix3 3 years ago
thats why i liked donna the best,because she was the only one who wasnt in love with the doctor.
threecardmontegirl 3 years ago 8
@threecardmontegirl No offence, but I HATE when people say stuff like this. I hate that donna is only liked because she didn't like the Doctor. (Love? Martha wasn't in love with him.) Anyway, love Donna because of how awesome she is. Don't love her just by comparison. Just because she didn't like the Doctor.
Meangrl19 1 year ago
@threecardmontegirl Love her because she stayed a good person until the bitter end. That she became better in her first episode and then stayed caring and helped the Doctor. That's some of the reasons I love Donna!
Meangrl19 1 year ago
Remarks like that is why Martha left the Doctor, and it serves him right.
Lucille7777 3 years ago
yer but the doctor doesn't notice these things dose he? he can't help it.
HyperActiveSkittles 3 years ago
There's a poor excuse; isn't the doctor a genius? He knew exactly what he was saying and how it would hurt Martha, but like Donna said in Runaway Bride, "sometimes you need someone to stop you." Well the Doctor fell on his face when Martha told him she was getting out didn't he? He deserved to be hurt, he hurt Martha unnecessarily through out Series 3. It wasn't Martha's fault that Rose was lost, and if he didn't want Martha there, then he should have left her alone from the start.
Lucille7777 3 years ago 2
He did like martha he thought she was brilliant. Some people can just get so rapped up in everything else they say things without thinking, he wanted a friend nothing more. donna relised that and martha did too, thats why she left, she explained it. guys are like that they don't notice things like that. they understand what they feel and try to epithise but that doesn't mean there perfect at it.
gymnastictazz 3 years ago
Because the Doctor is male, it does not give him the right to be insensitive and use other people. In this the Daleks leader in "Journey's End" was correct. He reminded the Doctor of all the people who'd suffered and/or died because he used them. Sorry the Doctor is not a child. It's particularly bad because Martha is Black, so the Doctor's behavior implies that its o.k., to treat her with less respect than he has previously treated other female companions. I saw nothing wrong with the girl.
Lucille7777 3 years ago 3
I agree with you, I think that he thinks because he's had a hard life and is the last of his kind etc it gives him a right to think he's better than anyone else and abuse them without even thinking about it.
theguycalledchris 3 years ago 2
To theguycalledchris,
I agree with you, however, what's most disturbing is that I am not convinced that the Doctor didn't ill treat Martha on purpose. At the end of "Gridlock" he literally laughed in Martha's face, when she asked him about what the face of Boe said, "you are not alone", did he mean that you've got me? Couldn't the Doc just have said, "thank you, that's so nice of you to say?" Then it went down hill from there, yet they were still able to bond throughout the Series, amazing.
Lucille7777 3 years ago 2