Excellent pre-amble for the documentary cited. I consider it wise to keep the best of a class of steamers railworthy, and retire a sample of a problem class to the museum as an example of what worked and what didn't; also, to salvage usable still-needed major components when a worn-out locomotive is scrapped.
Minimal narration in the 86 minute video...most up front. AND once you've gotten the gist of the story, the dvd allows you to turn off the narration and bath in the Surround Sound audio.
@cockroach2008 so you want historic landmarks like the Empire State Buiding, the Christler Building, etc. To be torn apart and be melted down to make those fuel cell cars? O wait, the remains will most likely be shipped to China to make cheep, carelessly assembled, pieces of what you call technology.
Steam engines in many cases are stronger than diesel and electric locomotives. Keeping in mind that the expansion of the steam often produces far more torque than the electric traction motors.
It's very nice to see that sometimes steam trains are still in actual freight service for a while. it brings back memories from the old days of the age of steam
It certainly isn't mainline track. lol. But, it is not as rugged as tracks on the old logging railroads, which is what these locomotives were designed to handle.
Each locomotive seems to respond differently under the same conditions....and even from day to day....like some people we may know. They "behaved" as if they had a personality that needed to be responded to.
Crews often swear the engines come alive under steam. But, we can't really say steam engines were our first experience with artificial intelligence, can we?
They generate a symphony of fascinating sounds. Plus, all the major workings are in plain sight. A rather visceral technology.
3985 and other steam locomotives have periodically been used over the last two decades. But they were extremely rare occasions done for the press, publicity or the like.
I do not say it is impossible there will never be high tech steam in the us. But the advantages of electrical power are just to great, in the minds of all current experts, to take us back to the steam days for moving power.
Union Pacific has absolutely no plans to run steam locomotives in revenue service. None whatsoever. They are not economically or operationally viable.
I do agree that people who work on these magnificent machines put a huge amount of love and care into it. Personally I understand it completely.
But I am a realist The muscle cars I restore are also amazing machines. But their time has come and gone.
Yah, lets just scrap two historic peaces of beautiful machinery. Screw preservation, history, the beauty, loving care, and teaching our children about the past...and make some more gas guzzling Hummers, so we can be even more dependent on foreign oil.
Correct! Screw preservation of old relics like this junk iron!
History belongs in history books and children can learn from books. The steam locomotive belongs in history books, not operating or preserved in any museum.
Hummers are not a good use for the materials, but there are other energy efficient designs for these.
I think anchor chain links would be a fitting end for the steam locomotives.
Yah, and while we are at, lets mow over Gettysburg and turn it into a parking lot. Oh and why not turn the Statue of Liberty into some copper scrap! After all, history belongs in boring text books right! As for the blast furnace...oh wait! We already demolished the historic steel mills for a shopping center!
Anyway, I have better things to do then listen to you. I have two steam locomotives to restore! Like I said, good thing YOU have no say in the matter.
Steam trains built this country, shortened distances and allowed westward migration. They stitched together the union after the civil war. and once again, you have absolutely no say in the matter. And one other thingif you so dislike steam locomotives.why are you on this video post? Its all about steam returning.
I like railroads. I like new technologies replacing old antiquated derilic technologies.
I like cutting up old steam locomotives and old railroad equipment. I like to see the parts melt in the rosey, warm glow of a blast furnace of molten iron.
I like to clean up old scrap iron and dispose of it in such a way as to make new materials for new fuel efficient, maintenance efficient transportation products.
I like spraying grafitti on railroad equipment! It is just such a good feeling!
Wow, you have no clue how scrapping really works do you?
Anyway, I'm getting board with you. Your sad, pitiful, and somewhat of a bully. Im done talking with you. Ive wasted too much time I could be using back in the shop restoring an 0-6-0 tank engine.
Steam trains built this country, shortened distances and allowed westward migration. They stitched together the union after the civil war.
and once again, you have absolutely no say in the matter. And one other thingif you so dislike steam locomotives.why are you on this video post? Its all about steam returning.
I like progress and new technologies and disposing of old garbage like steam locomotives.
I like the feel of a oxy-acytelene torch cutting up the parts and the sound of the junk falling apart! I like the sight to the red riveluts of molten iron running from a cut and the splatter of the red hot beads hitting the ground! I like the sound to the 6 ton magnet hoist lifting the cut up parts and the bang of the junk iron hitting the bottom of gondola! Junk!
Then you should live next to this car-crushing plant nearby! They chop apart all these junky Honda and civics. I remember once when they had this little 0-4-0 porter steam locomotive. We restored her right in the junk yard and she puffed out under her own steam!!!
I hate to break it to yah, but steam has been around long before you and I came onto the sceneand it will be around long after we leave.
It is too bad you wasted all your time restoring an old junk iron steam locomotive. I guess you think you had fun but it is still old and due to be cut up and placed in pieces into a blast furnance.
I am aware steam is here to stay! Boiling water will always be around. But not for transportation equipment.
well...seeing as this video is about a pare that were put to work in revenue service, and that there are over a thousand running in the US alone in tourist revenue service...they have survived pretty well.
And so has the horsewe are still riding them arent we.
Steam rail power will be around for a while as a novelty. A tourist attraction. It may move a carload of freight here or there, but it's time in doing so is diminishing worldwide and is becoming exceedingly rare.
Same for horses. The time for horses to provide a mainstream means of moving people or goods is basically gone.
Steam and horses are principally nostalgic in nature. As a novelty they will be around for a while.
Now let me clarifyyou are restating your comment I don't see either making a comeback in transportation Well seeing as the trains are moving people and things, even if its just to a state park or on an excursion, they are still providing a form of transportation.
This conversation is over, you next comment will be nothing more then a chuckle in my mind, and a click on the delete button
You can chuckle and delete, but the only 'transportation they provide are for family fun or a rekindling of memories.
Similar to a roller coaster.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy running them and being around them. But their usefulness as a means of moving people or freight, other than for fun, has passed us by.
As a professional railroad I cannot envision ever returning to this mode of powering revenue freight or passenger traffic outside of tourist operations.
Also you would like the new bio-steamers. Steam locomotives for the 21st Century! The UK already has built one in 2008, Poland has one, and here in the United States, two Chinese locomotive have been brought over for testing to see how Steam can be used on Modern railroads.
It is an idea which will not pan out in this country! More melt for the blast furnace. More materials for new fuel efficient, maintenance efficient transportation equipment.
The golden rr people are a rip off whowants to spend 30 bucks for a dvd
biggdaddy2001 1 day ago
get the dvd i did and love it
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theGspotfinders 4 months ago
Excellent pre-amble for the documentary cited. I consider it wise to keep the best of a class of steamers railworthy, and retire a sample of a problem class to the museum as an example of what worked and what didn't; also, to salvage usable still-needed major components when a worn-out locomotive is scrapped.
bcschmerker 5 months ago
The first chapter is only 5 minutes?
LegoMovieMan44 7 months ago
Wait I saw 4 engines and you said there was only 2.
treefrogflag 11 months ago
Narration isn't the greatest but looks like an interesting video none the less!!!p
WorldOfNothin 1 year ago
Minimal narration in the 86 minute video...most up front. AND once you've gotten the gist of the story, the dvd allows you to turn off the narration and bath in the Surround Sound audio.
123robbyd 1 year ago
I love old steam power, especially the geared locomotives!
dondude69 1 year ago
@cockroach2008 so you want historic landmarks like the Empire State Buiding, the Christler Building, etc. To be torn apart and be melted down to make those fuel cell cars? O wait, the remains will most likely be shipped to China to make cheep, carelessly assembled, pieces of what you call technology.
Trainz46 2 years ago
@cockroach2008
Wow, you are clearly a big idiot for thinking that steam preservation is a waste of time.
Also, if you think that history should be recoreded in text, then be choped up then be thrown into a blast furnace, you are a communist!
Trainz46 2 years ago
Steam engines in many cases are stronger than diesel and electric locomotives. Keeping in mind that the expansion of the steam often produces far more torque than the electric traction motors.
darkyoda 2 years ago
It's very nice to see that sometimes steam trains are still in actual freight service for a while. it brings back memories from the old days of the age of steam
fudgebaker 2 years ago 2
Interesting
CoastStarlight11 2 years ago
Where can I buy this DVD in Australia Ive always shown interest in Trains from when I was lil to this day =).
TravvyG 2 years ago
DVD may be purchased from: golden rail video . com . They ship all over the world.
123robbyd 1 year ago
look at the track!!! wow its bent all witch ways!!! its kinda sad. =[
MrTrainfanatic 2 years ago 3
It certainly isn't mainline track. lol. But, it is not as rugged as tracks on the old logging railroads, which is what these locomotives were designed to handle.
123robbyd 2 years ago
Great stuff!
Love the Climax, and the Shay!
herbgarratt 2 years ago 4
Each locomotive seems to respond differently under the same conditions....and even from day to day....like some people we may know. They "behaved" as if they had a personality that needed to be responded to.
Crews often swear the engines come alive under steam. But, we can't really say steam engines were our first experience with artificial intelligence, can we?
They generate a symphony of fascinating sounds. Plus, all the major workings are in plain sight. A rather visceral technology.
123robbyd 2 years ago 3
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I just have a small question.
Why does steam trains always a interesting thaing to many people?
I live in Hong Kong. All our trains are electric-computerized. There is no culture behind our trains.
applesweeter 3 years ago
This is amazing. I can hard imagine how steam trains can generate profit today????
I think that the project manager must be a talent.
applesweeter 3 years ago
They can't generate a profit today in North America except for some tourist operations and certain novel operations.
That's why they are not used.
If steam were as efficient and easy to use/maintain/run as diesel electric, the for profit railroads in North America would use them.
charlieb640 2 years ago
3985 and other steam locomotives have periodically been used over the last two decades. But they were extremely rare occasions done for the press, publicity or the like.
I do not say it is impossible there will never be high tech steam in the us. But the advantages of electrical power are just to great, in the minds of all current experts, to take us back to the steam days for moving power.
charlieb640 3 years ago
No. It won't work in this country.
Union Pacific has absolutely no plans to run steam locomotives in revenue service. None whatsoever. They are not economically or operationally viable.
I do agree that people who work on these magnificent machines put a huge amount of love and care into it. Personally I understand it completely.
But I am a realist The muscle cars I restore are also amazing machines. But their time has come and gone.
charlieb640 3 years ago
lol edrama
Can't I watch a steam video in peace?
SnowflakeSparks 3 years ago
steam is always so much cooler to watch in revinue service
WhyAyeMann 3 years ago
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Those things should have been scrapped 60 years ago.
Time to haul them to the scrap yard and put the scrappers torch to them, cut them up and send them off to be melted.
They would make plenty of materials for new fuel and maintenance efficient transportation vehicles.
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
Yah, lets just scrap two historic peaces of beautiful machinery. Screw preservation, history, the beauty, loving care, and teaching our children about the past...and make some more gas guzzling Hummers, so we can be even more dependent on foreign oil.
Such logic! XD Not.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
Correct! These should be scrapped.
Incorrect! These are not beautiful!
Correct! Screw preservation of old relics like this junk iron!
History belongs in history books and children can learn from books. The steam locomotive belongs in history books, not operating or preserved in any museum.
Hummers are not a good use for the materials, but there are other energy efficient designs for these.
I think anchor chain links would be a fitting end for the steam locomotives.
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
wow, I don't even know how to respond to that kind of comment. It looks like the kind of thing someone who leads a sad miserable life would say.
Oh well, good thing your have no say in the matter eh! :D
conversation ended.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
Those junkers should be cut down for a blast furnace!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
Yah, and while we are at, lets mow over Gettysburg and turn it into a parking lot. Oh and why not turn the Statue of Liberty into some copper scrap! After all, history belongs in boring text books right! As for the blast furnace...oh wait! We already demolished the historic steel mills for a shopping center!
Anyway, I have better things to do then listen to you. I have two steam locomotives to restore! Like I said, good thing YOU have no say in the matter.
Good day Sir
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
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Steam locomotives did nothing for foundation of this country's principals. They were nothing more than a transportation tool.
The time has come to run time into a scrap yard, part them out, cut them down, and send the pieces to a blast furnace for melting.
If the blast furnances have been removed for new developements, then it is time to chip them up and send them to a steel foundry overseas.
Steam locomotive steel makes great manhole covers, pipe wrenches, rebar or anchor chain!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
Steam trains built this country, shortened distances and allowed westward migration. They stitched together the union after the civil war. and once again, you have absolutely no say in the matter. And one other thingif you so dislike steam locomotives.why are you on this video post? Its all about steam returning.
I bet youre a closet rail fan! lol
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
I like railroads. I like new technologies replacing old antiquated derilic technologies.
I like cutting up old steam locomotives and old railroad equipment. I like to see the parts melt in the rosey, warm glow of a blast furnace of molten iron.
I like to clean up old scrap iron and dispose of it in such a way as to make new materials for new fuel efficient, maintenance efficient transportation products.
I like spraying grafitti on railroad equipment! It is just such a good feeling!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
Wow, you have no clue how scrapping really works do you?
Anyway, I'm getting board with you. Your sad, pitiful, and somewhat of a bully. Im done talking with you. Ive wasted too much time I could be using back in the shop restoring an 0-6-0 tank engine.
Good day.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
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I am getting bored with you too.
Go back to your junk pile and work. I will go back out into the scrap yard and cut up another railroad car.
If you change your mind, I will cut down your old steam locomotive junker and send it off to the foundry!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
wow and i thought you were against locomotives...but i guess you couldn't find any so you are back to trying to be against cars too.
nicholasbreeden 3 years ago
Steam trains built this country, shortened distances and allowed westward migration. They stitched together the union after the civil war.
and once again, you have absolutely no say in the matter. And one other thingif you so dislike steam locomotives.why are you on this video post? Its all about steam returning.
I bet youre a closet rail fan! lol
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
I never said I do not like railroads.
I like progress and new technologies and disposing of old garbage like steam locomotives.
I like the feel of a oxy-acytelene torch cutting up the parts and the sound of the junk falling apart! I like the sight to the red riveluts of molten iron running from a cut and the splatter of the red hot beads hitting the ground! I like the sound to the 6 ton magnet hoist lifting the cut up parts and the bang of the junk iron hitting the bottom of gondola! Junk!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
Then you should live next to this car-crushing plant nearby! They chop apart all these junky Honda and civics. I remember once when they had this little 0-4-0 porter steam locomotive. We restored her right in the junk yard and she puffed out under her own steam!!!
I hate to break it to yah, but steam has been around long before you and I came onto the sceneand it will be around long after we leave.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
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It is too bad you wasted all your time restoring an old junk iron steam locomotive. I guess you think you had fun but it is still old and due to be cut up and placed in pieces into a blast furnance.
I am aware steam is here to stay! Boiling water will always be around. But not for transportation equipment.
Steam locomotives are for destroying.
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
I don't see that happening. Steam has been around a long time. True. So have horses. I don't see either making a comeback in transportation.
charlieb640 3 years ago
well...seeing as this video is about a pare that were put to work in revenue service, and that there are over a thousand running in the US alone in tourist revenue service...they have survived pretty well.
And so has the horsewe are still riding them arent we.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
Permit me to clarify.
Steam rail power will be around for a while as a novelty. A tourist attraction. It may move a carload of freight here or there, but it's time in doing so is diminishing worldwide and is becoming exceedingly rare.
Same for horses. The time for horses to provide a mainstream means of moving people or goods is basically gone.
Steam and horses are principally nostalgic in nature. As a novelty they will be around for a while.
charlieb640 3 years ago
Now let me clarifyyou are restating your comment I don't see either making a comeback in transportation Well seeing as the trains are moving people and things, even if its just to a state park or on an excursion, they are still providing a form of transportation.
This conversation is over, you next comment will be nothing more then a chuckle in my mind, and a click on the delete button
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
You can chuckle and delete, but the only 'transportation they provide are for family fun or a rekindling of memories.
Similar to a roller coaster.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy running them and being around them. But their usefulness as a means of moving people or freight, other than for fun, has passed us by.
As a professional railroad I cannot envision ever returning to this mode of powering revenue freight or passenger traffic outside of tourist operations.
charlieb640 3 years ago
Also you would like the new bio-steamers. Steam locomotives for the 21st Century! The UK already has built one in 2008, Poland has one, and here in the United States, two Chinese locomotive have been brought over for testing to see how Steam can be used on Modern railroads.
TheRailroadwolf 3 years ago
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It is an idea which will not pan out in this country! More melt for the blast furnace. More materials for new fuel efficient, maintenance efficient transportation equipment.
The steam locomotive is a carbon mess!
Cockroach2008 3 years ago
nice to see a shay and a climax loco working on reconstruction of a logging line in the northwestern mountains
Rainmanxxl1967 3 years ago
Amazing. To think that these old locomotives answer the call of duty once more.
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Todaylight 3 years ago
Thank you soooo much for the upload. I am now even gladder that I bought this DVD.
Chris9017 3 years ago