LMFAO at all these idiots who believe that Ranger and all these other people have 100% stock cars. No stock ZR1 or Z06 has EVER EVER done less than 11.2 1/4 mile in 100% stock form.
@luvscience44 the fastest I've ever physically seen a STOCK one go (on a legitimate track) is 11.6 (I don't live in 30 degree weather...it's 90+ degrees all year round where I live). I've seen a ton of ZR1 owners get upspet when they spend $130k and GM (and everyone on the web) tells them "It'll go high 10s low 11s all stock" and they take it to their local track and after 900 thousand attempts the best then can get is 11.6 they get pissed. It's a great car don't get me wrong, just being real.
@16vGLHS Keeping it real is realizing you have the best car for the money and not caring about 1/4 mile ET by amateurs. It does 130 or so in the 1/4... physics says its fast as shit.
ZR1 = almost identical times to the new 600hp Viper. However, Car and Driver (same track, same day, same driver) got 11.7 @ 127 for the ZR1 and 11.8 @ 128 for the Viper. (non ACR). Dyno for the stock Viper = 581whp (done by inside line) haven't yet seen the one for the ZR1 by insideline.
@BigM161 Motortrend actually recorded a time of 11.5 @ 126.9 mph for the ZR1 in the drag race with the 911 Turbo. The 0-60 mph time was 3.5 sec. These are the ACTUAL figures for the 2010 Corvette ZR1.
Dont believe me? Watch the drag race below and read their article.
@rforracing point taken. but then again, it could also be the skill of the driver too. but then again, if thats what the tests brought back after testing it so many times, id believe the numbers
@blazzing4321 They made it worse check out the 2010 Corvette Road test they got it 4 second 0-60 and almost a 12 second 1/4 mile inside line cant test
@MiamiZ28 agreed if a zo6 gets ya 3.6 and 11.7 1/4 mile this should get u atleast 3.5 11.2 and look at the MOTORTREND vid of it it did 3.3 11.2 sec now thats a review
LOL 11.5 At 128mph lol MotorTrend Got those SAME numbers from a ZO6 lol what terrible drivers, atleast on this car, but slalom and braking are Mighty impressive,
I just watched a video with a Hennessey ZR-1, and it did the 1/4 mile in 10.90. This ZR-1 produces 705hp and 715 ft pounds of torque. I don't see how a stock ZR-1 running an 11.2 is so bad. Why can't you people just watch car videos and enjoy the clips?
@1965Davey So? A Stock ZR1 has posted a 10.7, and a stock ZO6 has posted those same drag speeds as EdMunds, and we dont want to see a vid of a Vasty Superior car running the same numbers.
thats a pretty goood 1/4 mile i saw a gt500 do a 12.6 the driver missed the 2-3 shift and still did a 12.6 at 123.15 mph, but i think if the gt500 hooks it will actually destroy that zr1 plus ya gotta look at what type of gears the vette is running might be why it wasn't what ya expected
they have never made a jap car and yet to, to compete with this car on any level, the spec v doesnt come close either, so im assummin theyre tryin to catch up now, Chevy thru a huge curve ball at the world with this, this car is crazy in all areas no short coming at all
look dude American muscle cars always beat import tuner because they are faster and the gtr is not faster then corvette zr1 so don't be a hater american sport cars rule dude
It does make you wonder at the slow times magazines get with so-called advanced satellite timing equipment. They are always 1/2 a second too slow. Then again, judging from what I have seen and the way they take off you can understand lol. They take off like grandmas driving a volvo then publish their times in their magazine which are treated as gospel. They cant drive thats the problem.
the problem with autocar is that they're a UK mag and they hate american cars and cannot drive them. I read that particular Autocar test with the ZR1 and 3 other cars where the ZR1 came dead last; an absolute joke if you ask me; the bias in that story was ridiculous.
its difficult to drive an american car on british roads. its a fast car, no doubt, it is faster than most of the european fast cars (audi R8, ferarri 599) however the european cars are more "briton-friendly" and are more suited to british roads (which are pretty narrow) and also, they come in right hand drive (the correct side ;))... autocar are pretty big and they are going to take all that into account... if i lived in america, i would buy a ZR1 over any other car with my eyes closed.
i concur with the comments made above but that still doesn't excuse Autocar's ineptitude. They claimed in that article that the ZR1s handling was no better than the ZO6s; that says a lot about autocar.
This is Edmund, Not Motortrend. Edmund have shown ridiculous slow quarter mile and slalom runs compared to Motortrend. Quit watching edmund and go see motortrend for real facts.
im honestly confused motor trend does figure 8/skidpad and uses 1 ft of rollout for all 0-60 and quarter mile runs did edmunds and motor trend switch names or something?
302Mustang ^^ agree with you :> there's a guy with a nickname Ranger here on the web..he went 10.9 with an ZR1 few months ago and there were another guy named Jamie Furman that went 10.98 for bonestock Z06 and 10.92 with bone stock 08 Viper ;> when ppl like them get used to this bitch.....believe me WE ALL will see some incredible times ;>
ZR1 is AWESOME!!! I'm not going to hate on it, but I'll give some information to the cock riders. There have always been 2 models of the GTR... Regular and V-Spec/Spec V... Look it up! So, how does the Spec V compare to the ZR1?? Just be lucky that Nissan is not following tradition for the GTR. It's suppose to be an I6 not V6!!! On a side note. Whoever build last will be better. So there is no end to this HP war...
i mean dont get me wrong this is a fuckin fast car, but i think the 0-60 should be a little faster. it should be like 3.3 or 3.4....a cts v can hit 0-60 in 3.9 with its 556hp.....this car has 638hp
I don't think horse power necessarily determines the speed of the car. It's more of power the car can put out. Like a pick up truck has a lot of horsepower, but doesn't go very fast but can pull a lot more
@idontcare80, depends. Do you want average statistics or above average statistics for each car? I personally think making the car perform better, pulling better numbers is justice for each car but. I cant argue with the simplicity of insideline's videos though, straight to the point and no speech, no doubt about it lol
@idontcare80 Follow there examples? you mean by posting Inferior times that has ben posted by there lesser car, the ZO6, which has posted better numbers in terms of drag right?.........
@JellyBird12 Yes, yes, I know. It's stupid that a company should make a video that people would enjoy watching. Only 1/4 miles times matter, apparently.
@idontcare80 Sure, 1/4 mile times arent any different than a 0-124mph time, just the distance they cover, id say its just as exciting in seeing a great drag time as it is a lap record, but some people prefer drag, and some laps, but they shouldnt post a video of a More superior car thants running Slower times than its inferior version, its just not cool.
@idontcare80 People do want to see a car video, but when you post numbers that its lesser model has posted, people start to get aggrevated and dont care anymore, and that 10.7 is right here on youtube, driven by Jeff Ranger Completely stock in everyway, juss loo hime up.
@JellyBird12 Whatever, whine all you want about it.
There is no way in hell a stock ZR1 could run a 10.7 and just because there is a video of it doesn't make it fact, the guy could say whatever he wants about the car. Hell the Enzo only runs an 11 in the 1/4 and it has more power, less weight and a MUCH faster shifting transmission. Road & Track also got the same time in the 1/4.
@idontcare80 Im not whining about it, ive given you proof, if you dont want to listen thats your problem, there have ben countless times a ZR1 has broken into the 10's by different ppl, the Enzo may have all that, but do you know theres only a 38lbs difference between an Enzo and a ZR1? 3,270lbs vs 3,232lbs, and your forgetting to Crutial elements, the Enzo has a MUCH worse Coefficient drag factor, mixed with ALOT less torque, so yeah, its Fact.
@JellyBird12 Torque doesn't do squat for performance. ANYONE could make a video of a ZR1 with a few slight mods, even just DOT slicks, running 10s. The only numbers that matter are numbers that are achieved by REPUTABLE PUBLICATIONS, not just any Joe Schmo with a video camera.
@idontcare80 The Enzo has a Drag Coefficient of Cd.37, the ZR 1 has Cd.30, thats a Big difference in Aerodynamic propertys, so there nowhere near the same in aerodynamics sorry to tell you.
@JellyBird12 From an article on the ZR1, "the ZR1 has a drag coefficient of .36, a 6% increase over that of the Z06 due to the additional ground effects and the additional air being ducted for cooling."
@JellyBird12 The numbers were from GM, and they don't just make up numbers. Anyway, cd doesn't really play a huge role in 1/4 mile times, I don't know why you're hanging on it.
@idontcare80 Doesnt matter if the from GM or not, they dont tests Cd numbers, they only estimate them, SportAuto tests them, and more than once. and Cd does make a difference after 100mph, a big difference infact, both ZR1 and Enzo trap at more than 130mph, so the effects ar already taken place, Wind resistance can effect your car up to 60mph, the faster you go, the hard it will be, better aero, even in the 1/4 will make for a better time and trap speed.
@idontcare80 11.2 was tested by MotorTrend, ive given you the name to look up for faster times, you dont want to believe it and be ignorant, well thats your problem.
@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
@idontcare80 It Yes, but that also depends on the person and there knowledge too, and it all depends on how, you can tell from a video just by the tyres/sound/ride/traction/rpm/shifts/noise if its stck or not, and Video proof, is Much more convincing and reliable than a Magazine article, unlike an article, your writing, not showing.
@idontcare80 Ps: Jeff Always claims if his runs are stock or not, and hes a well respected Dragger who know what hes doing, he even has a few videos on the Know How.
@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
@JellyBird12 Oh, and I found a video of this amazing Jeff Ranger guy running 10.7 in a ZR1. HE WAS ON DOT DRAG RADIALS!!!! Those are just street legal slicks!! Moron.
@idontcare80 Wow, Apparently YOU are the Moron, and a big 1 at that, why dont u actually trsy searching, instead of pulling some dumbass attemt into making yourself look good?
@JellyBird12 I really don't care what this random guy on YouTube ran, like I said: Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
@idontcare80 LOL everytime i show you proof, you come up with some excuse to not believe it. but like i said, yet again.
Depends on the person and there knowledge, ive already told you.
But whatever, believe it or dont, not my problem, This whole debate was about the 10.7 time, I have proven it too you, you can say all you want, but its already ben proven fact, but again, believe it or not, im done, Lets just leave it at that.
@idontcare80 And you think this EdMunds video is hard proof that this 1 is stock? your being a Hypocrite, but Show me some proof that it isnt stock? You can always ask Jeff yourself. even Dragtimes lists what is stock and what isnt.
@JellyBird12 I think that Motortrend and Road & Track managed to stay around for the better part of a century by NOT lying to people. Jeff can tell me whatever the fuck he wants. Why would he care what I, or a few other people on YouTube thought of him?
@idontcare80 60years to be precise, anyhoo, its actually funny you should mention that, because both MT And R7T, along with every reputable American Magazine has called Jeff Ranger to do a couple drives with there car, you can even ask, So if they called him, then that says something right there, but like i said, your being a Hypocrite, your believing a magazine, with no proof(As u say) and thats just writing, but hes actually showing his run, i dont think he does care, nor should he.
@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
@idontcare80 You could, but do you actually think that No one could deduce thats is either stock or not? There are loads of people that could tell if its stock or not.
@JellyBird12 Yeah, and how's that? All the ZR1 would need is a smaller pulley on the supercharger, I don't think you can use a micrometer on a video to determine that it has the stock pulley.
@idontcare80 That is not true at all, and you know it, how are you gonna believe an article from a magazine, just because theyve ben around for 60yrs, doesnt mean anything, they could have lied there asses of, but atleast this guy has a video and is saying his is stock, that 11.5 up there, you believe that, but i dont see you claiming it is, your being a Hypocrite again, but if you cant believe one thing, what are you gonna believe....
@JellyBird12 A goldfish has a very short memory span. You keep talking about that BS video, over and over, like it's some kind of solid fact.
I'm not a hypocrite, I didn't say I believe this video, but they did get the same 1/4 mile time as R&T so I do believe the time they got.
Also I don't see where you get the idea that GM didn't test the ZR1 in a wind tunnel. GM owns their own wind tunnel, and I would bet that ALL of their vehicles are tested in it.
A drag coefficient of 0.36 for the ZR1 would make sense, it has 638 hp and only has a top speed of 205 mph. That's kinda pathetic for a car with that much power. Also the Enzo has a reason for it's high drag coefficient, it's able to produce quite a bit of aerodynamic downforce, over 1,700 pounds of it at 186 mph to be exact. The ZR1 is actually producing lift at high speeds, exactly what you don't want.
@idontcare80 Show me one shred of proof where they tested the Cd.36? because SportAuto did a windtunnedl too, and they got much lower Cd numbers, no other Automobile magazine/programme(that i know) has there own tunnel and tests them, SA got a better nuumber, and they proved it, end of story, look it up if you dont believe me, they even have pics, and you do know, that MotorTrend got a better 0-60, a better 0-100, and the SAME 1/4 mile with a ZO6, im not saying they didnt, but different sources
I would bet that SportAuto is using a different testing standard than what is common in the auto industry, nothing else makes sense otherwise. Even the McLaren F1 has a higher drag coefficient than what you claim the ZR1 has, less power and yet a MUCH higher top speed.
@idontcare80 Why google it when they have used the SAME methods as they ever has, GM only CLAIMED it had worse, Cd.3q has ben tested by them, there the ONLY automobile tests that even run Cd numbers, why would you listen to a manufaktur claim when every time they claim something, its alwasy better? and the F1 has ben tested by SA and various testes, and has tested a Cd.31, optional aero pack not included,
@idontcare80 Well that's part of the reason it can go 240 vs the ZR1's 205 with about the same power, but yeah the ZR1 should go much faster than 205 considering it's power.
@aieljose Weight does have some impact, but not quite that much. Even the Bentley Continental Supersports can go 204 with 621 hp and it weighs 4,915 pounds, 1550 pounds more than the ZR1.
@aieljose the aero on this car is not aero of a supercar look at other supercars like murcielago or gtr but.... if not for this aero the car may handle better but then it wont be a corvette now would it?
@JellyBird12@idontcare80 An en Enzo was quated to reach 218.7, but never did as far as i know, the only top speed was 211. but like i said the ZR1 was tested to be:
A) 2.059 m²
(cd) 0.30
(cd × A) 0.64
at 210km/h
lift front 29kg
lift rear 10kg And the Enzo has MORE lift than a ZR1, lift front 35kg, lift rear 12kg, and thats also tested by SportAuto, and theyve ben her since 1969, so there quite Reputable too.
@JellyBird12 Ferrari can't just claim that the Enzo produces 775 kg of downforce at 221 mph (I had the wrong speed before) if it doesn't, it would be false advertising and they could be sued. Also, the Enzo has been tested to 226 mph, on video.
@idontcare80 lol..Anybody can claim anything, Car companys cannot be sued for claiming how much downforce or how fast there cars can are/make lol, even SportAuto tests downforce numbers, and just going by a speedometer lol you should know a speed can be of by as much as 20kmh, and i find it hard to believe that with this Cd, and every othere tests with even longer trys have yet to hit that speed, was this speed GPS verified?
@idontcare80 Torque doesnt do squat for performance? WHAT? Torque is Vital for launching a car, not horsepower, why do you think a SRT and a ZR1 have a faster 0-60mph time than an Enzo and CGT even with more weight and slower shifters? and no, the only nubers that matter are surely not ones from Magazines, the mags may be reputable, but they dont run the fastest, and whos to say they dont cheat? they just post numbers on paper, these guys do it on film, which is more reputable than writing it..
@JellyBird12 Torque at the flywheel doesn't mean crap because it is multiplied by the ratio of the gears in the driveline. Power is what determines torque at the wheels. Take the Gallardo Superleggra and the Corvette Z06 for example. The Gallardo has more torque available at the wheels in every gear and at every speed, yet the Corvette makes nearly 100 lb-ft more at the flywheel.
Another example: The '88 Mustang GT made 300 lb-ft @ 3,000 rpm, the '04 Accord V6 made 212 lb-ft @ 5,000 rpm. Gear both of those engines to 755 rpm at the wheels (about 60 mph for most cars) and the Accord ends up with 1,404 lb-ft @ peak torque while the Mustang ends up with 1,192 lb-ft @ peak torque. You can do the same calculation for peak power. You can also check out the link in my channel for more info.
Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
Also there are plenty of videos available from the magazine tests.
@idontcare80 Torque, wether is flywheel or not, is what launches every car, not horsepower, overhang effects it too, and a Vette has more than a Ferrari, couple that together, and your good,Gallardo SL actually doesnt, The Torque at the Wheels is always more than ANY Lambo and sooner deliverys along with it being smoother from the get go, before and after except for the SV, check FastClub Article 49, or Amus Torque Check, they explain all those with there Torque callibrations concluding.
You don't know what you're talking about and I don't understand what you're trying to say. If flywheel torque had any real effect on vehicle performance the Audi R8 5.2 wouldn't be as fast as the ZR1, the Enzo wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Murcielago LP670-4 SV wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Gallardo LP560-4 wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Ferrari 430 Scuderia wouldn't be as fast as the ZR1, etc, etc.
@idontcare80 What Cold hard Facts are you talking about exactly? GM oNLY claims, other people test, how ignorant are you? Lemme guess, your gonna believe Nissans GT-R claim of Cd.27 right? even though SportAuto tested it more than once with there own windtunnel and got cd.31, Actually listening to Manufacture claims LOL LOL
@JellyBird12 Are you still on cd? I'm talking about power to weight ratio, you know FORCE vs MASS., the two things that have THE MOST EFFECT ON ACCELERATION.
@idontcare80 Are you actually thinking, the car with more bhp/ton is going to Out accelerate the car with lesser bhp/ton? lol if so, then thats not correct either, theres alot more than just power and torque you have to deal with, that is completely false.
650 hp @ 755 rpm (60 mph for the mighty ZR1) = 4522 lb-ft
638 hp @ 755 rpm = 4438 lb-ft
Hey, guess what! More torque at the wheels means faster acceleration! Imagine that! Check the link on my channel to see that trick done for the entire Z06 and Audi R8 5.2 torque curves.
@idontcare80 Hmmm thats funny, because the LF-A has more torque at the rw, then a GT2RS, yet the RS has faster acceleration the whole stretch, and a C6 has alot more rw torque than a M3, yet the M3 out accelerates it through that stretch too....again, bigger torques surely does not mean faster acceleration, theres ALOT more you have to take into consideration, drag/gearing/weight/tyres/body/tranny/height/ alot of things big and little, but im sure you know that........
@JellyBird12 WTF are you talking about? The GT2 RS has almost 100 more hp than that LF-A. And I gave you a whole list of cars that are capable of out accelerating the ZR1, yet they make much less torque. You're just ignoring what you don't want to believe.
@JellyBird12 It's already there. The Murcielago LP670-4 SV runs a 10.9 according to Road & Track, it makes 487 lb-ft at the flywheel. And on your point about some cars making more wheel torque: It is possible that a car could make more PEAK wheel torque than a faster car, or vise versa, but the AVERAGE torque at the wheels over a distance and time (speed) is what counts. You could gear a lawnmower engine to make more torque than a ZR1, but it wouldn't be able to do it over a wide range of speeds
@idontcare80 Your right, the SuperVeloce did manage to beat it in the 1/4mile, and thats only from R&T, Amus and FastCLub both got 10.9 & 11.1 for the ZR1, and 11.1 and 11.2 for the SV, at 300kmh, the ZR1 is already ahead by 3.9s, 29.7 vs 25.8, and that was by Sa and Amus, who have tested both cars 6 times, on different occasions, but same day and driver. there are a few that will beat it, but not many, and out of All the verified 0-300kmh times, only 5 cars have managed to beat it.
@idontcare80 LOL Are you actually gonna believe that vid? the Scuderia, out accelerating the ZR1 that WHOLE Way? lol thats funny, every other tests shows otherwise, and your right, MT did get 11.2 for both cars, 3.1s 2 60mph for the Scud, & 3.3 4 the ZR1, 7.1 to 100 for the Scud, and 6.8 4 the Z, but there trap speed was 133 and 127, thats a difference, do you know why the Scud goth those times by MT?
@JellyBird12 Consider the drivers. All the Scud driver has to do is click a paddle, the ZR1 driver actually has to shift his car. I believe that video 100%, but I also know that with the right driver the Scud isn't much of a match for the ZR1 in anything other than the 1/4. Still, it's a great example of the physics that power these machines.
@idontcare80 Ferrari Scuderia has Pirelli PZero Corsa Cup Tyres, aka Semi SLicks, along with a F1 SupeFast 2S 6Speed Sequential along with Short gearing,
Vs
Corvette Z= Michelin Pilot Sport tyres, aka Crap tyres for this car, and 6Speed Man.
And those materials that are inferior to the Ferrari's, yet it wins, despite weighing 351lb Heavier,its no surprise that it holds its own in that short time, after though..ZR1 tailights, and the Z beats it on everytrack tested, n not being a track car.
@ISniffDirtyPanties Do you realize how hard it is to launch a 600+hp car with no tc? These times are respectable and actually pretty consistent with what the average driver would be able to do. motortrends times are done on sticky drag strips which have more grip than the average road. Plus there done in optimal temperatures by proffesional drivers. Also they take like 20 runs to get those times. The average person would be around 4 seconds from 0-60 on the street.
LMFAO at all these idiots who believe that Ranger and all these other people have 100% stock cars. No stock ZR1 or Z06 has EVER EVER done less than 11.2 1/4 mile in 100% stock form.
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TB3hnz 1 month ago
There have been stock Z06's get better times quarter mile times than that
10spokess 5 months ago
@luvscience44 the fastest I've ever physically seen a STOCK one go (on a legitimate track) is 11.6 (I don't live in 30 degree weather...it's 90+ degrees all year round where I live). I've seen a ton of ZR1 owners get upspet when they spend $130k and GM (and everyone on the web) tells them "It'll go high 10s low 11s all stock" and they take it to their local track and after 900 thousand attempts the best then can get is 11.6 they get pissed. It's a great car don't get me wrong, just being real.
16vGLHS 5 months ago
@16vGLHS ''RangerC6ZO6,'' Got 10 seconds with a zr1 stock with stock tires. I think it was a 10.73 at about 133 mph.
IDontHateOnCars 2 months ago
@16vGLHS Keeping it real is realizing you have the best car for the money and not caring about 1/4 mile ET by amateurs. It does 130 or so in the 1/4... physics says its fast as shit.
TheArfdog 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
ZR1 = almost identical times to the new 600hp Viper. However, Car and Driver (same track, same day, same driver) got 11.7 @ 127 for the ZR1 and 11.8 @ 128 for the Viper. (non ACR). Dyno for the stock Viper = 581whp (done by inside line) haven't yet seen the one for the ZR1 by insideline.
16vGLHS 5 months ago
@16vGLHS STOCK zr1 dyno's 532 , Hennessy. Motortrend got 11.2 @130 with the zr1 stock
luvscience44 5 months ago
@16vGLHS Inside line has the ZR1 at 500 whp.
TheArfdog 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
Who the fuck cares if they get 3.8 or 3.5 0-60?
TheArfdog 11 months ago
3.8secs = bad driver
blazzing4321 1 year ago
@blazzing4321 motor trend tested it to be 3.3 sec to 60, and 11.2 sec through the quarter mile
BigM161 1 year ago
@BigM161 Motortrend actually recorded a time of 11.5 @ 126.9 mph for the ZR1 in the drag race with the 911 Turbo. The 0-60 mph time was 3.5 sec. These are the ACTUAL figures for the 2010 Corvette ZR1.
Dont believe me? Watch the drag race below and read their article.
watch?v=5Qam_UvSKuM
rforracing 10 months ago
@rforracing point taken. but then again, it could also be the skill of the driver too. but then again, if thats what the tests brought back after testing it so many times, id believe the numbers
BigM161 10 months ago
@blazzing4321 They made it worse check out the 2010 Corvette Road test they got it 4 second 0-60 and almost a 12 second 1/4 mile inside line cant test
TheHm3 11 months ago
wow these ratings are all wrong bad driver
enjoi543 1 year ago
sls amg is much better
novak4life 1 year ago
if i hit the lotto im gettin one
jayjay4999 1 year ago
0-60 3.8?! somebody cant drive that car...
MiamiZ28 1 year ago
@MiamiZ28 agreed if a zo6 gets ya 3.6 and 11.7 1/4 mile this should get u atleast 3.5 11.2 and look at the MOTORTREND vid of it it did 3.3 11.2 sec now thats a review
TheHm3 1 year ago
Chevy is the best!
2008C6Vette 1 year ago
LOL 11.5 At 128mph lol MotorTrend Got those SAME numbers from a ZO6 lol what terrible drivers, atleast on this car, but slalom and braking are Mighty impressive,
JellyBird12 1 year ago
lol my grandma can post better times than that
IxOVERKILLxI 1 year ago
thats not a track.. thats a asphalt straight... :) duh :)
taztaz79 1 year ago
why is it so ugly though?
ejuoi 1 year ago
@ejuoi Mayebeee your looking at the wrong car?..
JellyBird12 1 year ago
I just watched a video with a Hennessey ZR-1, and it did the 1/4 mile in 10.90. This ZR-1 produces 705hp and 715 ft pounds of torque. I don't see how a stock ZR-1 running an 11.2 is so bad. Why can't you people just watch car videos and enjoy the clips?
1965Davey 1 year ago
@1965Davey So? A Stock ZR1 has posted a 10.7, and a stock ZO6 has posted those same drag speeds as EdMunds, and we dont want to see a vid of a Vasty Superior car running the same numbers.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
no joke dude, the zr1 gets 0-60 way faster than 3.8 sec
baconest94 1 year ago
@baconest94
if u get traction
khenry1991 1 year ago
thats a pretty goood 1/4 mile i saw a gt500 do a 12.6 the driver missed the 2-3 shift and still did a 12.6 at 123.15 mph, but i think if the gt500 hooks it will actually destroy that zr1 plus ya gotta look at what type of gears the vette is running might be why it wasn't what ya expected
robqwerty11 1 year ago
@robqwerty11 GT500 Destroy a ZR1?...Thats a hell of a statement to make, Incredibly Bad one, but one hell of one nonetheless..
JellyBird12 1 year ago
THATS THE DESTROYER RIGHT THERE!!!! GO ZR1!!!
kw33nBisFaMoUs 1 year ago
very similar whith the viper srt-10
s25117 1 year ago
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Looks so good up my ass!!!
youIance29 1 year ago
wow my 15 year old cousin would of produced faster numbers did the guy fall asleep
10spokess 1 year ago
yeah gtr might be the fastest 4 seater car and hell it is the ugliest
mukangtae3 1 year ago
they have never made a jap car and yet to, to compete with this car on any level, the spec v doesnt come close either, so im assummin theyre tryin to catch up now, Chevy thru a huge curve ball at the world with this, this car is crazy in all areas no short coming at all
skillz1855 1 year ago
GTR = FASTEST 4 SEATER
07350zhr 1 year ago
look dude American muscle cars always beat import tuner because they are faster and the gtr is not faster then corvette zr1 so don't be a hater american sport cars rule dude
fordsuckbigtime 1 year ago
look dude your name says fordsucksbigtime well your kindof right..........except there doing waaay better than gm HAHA
07350zhr 1 year ago
The Corvette ZR1 is King Of The Hill and still is!
Mahdi786FWE 2 years ago 2
Yea ZR1 IS KING!!!!
alexuin 2 years ago 2
best corvette ever
ggtontoyono 2 years ago
aaa
jetstreamZR1 2 years ago
WOW edmunds drivers are so shit its not funny. ZR1 0-60mph in 3.8 LOL, those guys have no idea.
for Edmunds (dickheads) information the ZR1 has pulled 10.9s down the quarter time and again.
mopar426heaven 2 years ago
-,- 10.794 @ 132.8 mph 10.9 was broken already :D
xabipp 2 years ago
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mopar426heaven 2 years ago
niiiice, i assume this time was done with a bone-stock ZR1 with stock tires yeh?
mopar426heaven 2 years ago
yep it was showroom stock and went 10.794
and there were another guy named Ranger who went 10.73 with DR's
both dudes said they are expecting better times when they get used to the car :>
xabipp 2 years ago
It does make you wonder at the slow times magazines get with so-called advanced satellite timing equipment. They are always 1/2 a second too slow. Then again, judging from what I have seen and the way they take off you can understand lol. They take off like grandmas driving a volvo then publish their times in their magazine which are treated as gospel. They cant drive thats the problem.
mopar426heaven 2 years ago
grandmas with volvo is an nice example tbh :>>> autocar tested ZR1 at 12.06......................................
those dudes definately needs an emergency driving lesson :>
xabipp 2 years ago
the problem with autocar is that they're a UK mag and they hate american cars and cannot drive them. I read that particular Autocar test with the ZR1 and 3 other cars where the ZR1 came dead last; an absolute joke if you ask me; the bias in that story was ridiculous.
mopar426heaven 2 years ago 2
couldnt agree more with you bro ! ^^
xabipp 2 years ago
its difficult to drive an american car on british roads. its a fast car, no doubt, it is faster than most of the european fast cars (audi R8, ferarri 599) however the european cars are more "briton-friendly" and are more suited to british roads (which are pretty narrow) and also, they come in right hand drive (the correct side ;))... autocar are pretty big and they are going to take all that into account... if i lived in america, i would buy a ZR1 over any other car with my eyes closed.
blahblop123 1 year ago
i concur with the comments made above but that still doesn't excuse Autocar's ineptitude. They claimed in that article that the ZR1s handling was no better than the ZO6s; that says a lot about autocar.
mopar426heaven 1 year ago
Could be humidity, elevation, etc......... but it's probably the drivers.......
tblack21 2 years ago
the latter sounds right to me lol. No clue.
mopar426heaven 2 years ago
Wow, can I get a job doing this ? 0_0
mvadinan540 2 years ago
I hate this pos
SSSSBBBB81 2 years ago
This is Edmund, Not Motortrend. Edmund have shown ridiculous slow quarter mile and slalom runs compared to Motortrend. Quit watching edmund and go see motortrend for real facts.
Tmoua 2 years ago
motortrend uses rollout for their quarter mile runs and doesnt even do slalom tests. both of those are actual facts.
venomviper32 2 years ago
you're an idiot thats whats a fact.
mopar426heaven 2 years ago
im honestly confused motor trend does figure 8/skidpad and uses 1 ft of rollout for all 0-60 and quarter mile runs did edmunds and motor trend switch names or something?
venomviper32 2 years ago
top gear is slightly better its facts but entertaining
TVRnGTR 1 year ago
ZR1 IS KING!!!!
youlance29 1 year ago 2
0-60 in 3.8 seconds !?!?!
1/4 mile in 11.5 seconds !?!?!?
even the C6 Z06 ran a 3.7 seconds from 0-60 and 11.7 seconds for the 1/4 mile.
with 100 more Hp and 612ft/lb of torque @ less weight than a C6 Z06 because of much carbon it should be able to run 10.9 seconds at least ...
3O2MuStAnG 2 years ago 3
Thats the problem, its a bit heavier about 250+ lb's more but still the problem comes with the no traction issue at full throttle.
SSSDiaz7 2 years ago
302Mustang ^^ agree with you :> there's a guy with a nickname Ranger here on the web..he went 10.9 with an ZR1 few months ago and there were another guy named Jamie Furman that went 10.98 for bonestock Z06 and 10.92 with bone stock 08 Viper ;> when ppl like them get used to this bitch.....believe me WE ALL will see some incredible times ;>
xabipp 2 years ago
ZR1 is AWESOME!!! I'm not going to hate on it, but I'll give some information to the cock riders. There have always been 2 models of the GTR... Regular and V-Spec/Spec V... Look it up! So, how does the Spec V compare to the ZR1?? Just be lucky that Nissan is not following tradition for the GTR. It's suppose to be an I6 not V6!!! On a side note. Whoever build last will be better. So there is no end to this HP war...
yos3z 2 years ago
i mean dont get me wrong this is a fuckin fast car, but i think the 0-60 should be a little faster. it should be like 3.3 or 3.4....a cts v can hit 0-60 in 3.9 with its 556hp.....this car has 638hp
360mmspider 2 years ago
I don't think horse power necessarily determines the speed of the car. It's more of power the car can put out. Like a pick up truck has a lot of horsepower, but doesn't go very fast but can pull a lot more
poncekid56 2 years ago
0-60 is in 3.2 sec. You have to know how to drive it correct. Also need a nice clean road or a track so the tires dont roast.
13tomabram 2 years ago
ya i know i found out like right after i posted that comment lol.:)
360mmspider 2 years ago
You have to count for weather conditions too. Might not be running at it's peak. :p
zoltkonred 2 years ago
It is more around 3.3/4 its just that very few tests have good enough drivers that can launch this car perfectly
hockonvict 2 years ago
beautiful
tz8u6tsi 2 years ago
Look at the speed through the cones !
ccobccob 2 years ago
holy shit haha it peels on 3rd gear!! thats fucking sick
nightkidd604 2 years ago 2
the mustang GT, Camaro SS & Challenger do the same thing.
Devilskills 2 years ago
edmunds really has to stop this shit, they suck at reviewing cars. let motortrend handle that
praetorian2150 2 years ago 14
@praetorian2150 Who cares if they don't get the best times?
TheArfdog 1 year ago
@TheArfdog, im always a fan of giving the best possible stats for every car. then again though, edmunds is good for the avg stats :)
praetorian2150 1 year ago
@praetorian2150 Fuck Motortrend, biased idiots. This video rocks, no talking, no bullshit, just the car. Everyone should follow this example.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80, depends. Do you want average statistics or above average statistics for each car? I personally think making the car perform better, pulling better numbers is justice for each car but. I cant argue with the simplicity of insideline's videos though, straight to the point and no speech, no doubt about it lol
praetorian2150 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Follow there examples? you mean by posting Inferior times that has ben posted by there lesser car, the ZO6, which has posted better numbers in terms of drag right?.........
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Yes, yes, I know. It's stupid that a company should make a video that people would enjoy watching. Only 1/4 miles times matter, apparently.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Sure, 1/4 mile times arent any different than a 0-124mph time, just the distance they cover, id say its just as exciting in seeing a great drag time as it is a lap record, but some people prefer drag, and some laps, but they shouldnt post a video of a More superior car thants running Slower times than its inferior version, its just not cool.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Some people just want to see a car video, I know I don't watch videos just to see numbers.
BTW, where on earth did you get a 10.7 1/4 for the ZR1?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 People do want to see a car video, but when you post numbers that its lesser model has posted, people start to get aggrevated and dont care anymore, and that 10.7 is right here on youtube, driven by Jeff Ranger Completely stock in everyway, juss loo hime up.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Whatever, whine all you want about it.
There is no way in hell a stock ZR1 could run a 10.7 and just because there is a video of it doesn't make it fact, the guy could say whatever he wants about the car. Hell the Enzo only runs an 11 in the 1/4 and it has more power, less weight and a MUCH faster shifting transmission. Road & Track also got the same time in the 1/4.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Im not whining about it, ive given you proof, if you dont want to listen thats your problem, there have ben countless times a ZR1 has broken into the 10's by different ppl, the Enzo may have all that, but do you know theres only a 38lbs difference between an Enzo and a ZR1? 3,270lbs vs 3,232lbs, and your forgetting to Crutial elements, the Enzo has a MUCH worse Coefficient drag factor, mixed with ALOT less torque, so yeah, its Fact.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Torque doesn't do squat for performance. ANYONE could make a video of a ZR1 with a few slight mods, even just DOT slicks, running 10s. The only numbers that matter are numbers that are achieved by REPUTABLE PUBLICATIONS, not just any Joe Schmo with a video camera.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Also, the ZR1 has the same drag coefficient as the Enzo.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 The Enzo has a Drag Coefficient of Cd.37, the ZR 1 has Cd.30, thats a Big difference in Aerodynamic propertys, so there nowhere near the same in aerodynamics sorry to tell you.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 From an article on the ZR1, "the ZR1 has a drag coefficient of .36, a 6% increase over that of the Z06 due to the additional ground effects and the additional air being ducted for cooling."
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 An article is one thing, but a test is another,
A) 2.059 m²
(cd) 0.30
(cd × A) 0.64
at 210km/h
lift front 29kg
lift rear 10kg
Tested with a WindTunned by SportAuto, same with the Enzo, so no, not the same.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 The numbers were from GM, and they don't just make up numbers. Anyway, cd doesn't really play a huge role in 1/4 mile times, I don't know why you're hanging on it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Doesnt matter if the from GM or not, they dont tests Cd numbers, they only estimate them, SportAuto tests them, and more than once. and Cd does make a difference after 100mph, a big difference infact, both ZR1 and Enzo trap at more than 130mph, so the effects ar already taken place, Wind resistance can effect your car up to 60mph, the faster you go, the hard it will be, better aero, even in the 1/4 will make for a better time and trap speed.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
I can't believe I'm having this argument.
The ZR1 runs an 11.2 in the 1/4, get over it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 11.2 was tested by MotorTrend, ive given you the name to look up for faster times, you dont want to believe it and be ignorant, well thats your problem.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 It Yes, but that also depends on the person and there knowledge too, and it all depends on how, you can tell from a video just by the tyres/sound/ride/traction/rpm/shifts/noise if its stck or not, and Video proof, is Much more convincing and reliable than a Magazine article, unlike an article, your writing, not showing.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Ps: Jeff Always claims if his runs are stock or not, and hes a well respected Dragger who know what hes doing, he even has a few videos on the Know How.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Jeff? Who the fuck is Jeff?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Jeff Ranger, hes the Guy who gets Constant tens with the Stock ZR1's, hes the guy who got 10.7 at 133mph.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
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@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
idontcare80 1 year ago
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idontcare80 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Oh, and I found a video of this amazing Jeff Ranger guy running 10.7 in a ZR1. HE WAS ON DOT DRAG RADIALS!!!! Those are just street legal slicks!! Moron.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Wow, Apparently YOU are the Moron, and a big 1 at that, why dont u actually trsy searching, instead of pulling some dumbass attemt into making yourself look good?
watch?v=woOqqfGtqHo&feature=related
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 I really don't care what this random guy on YouTube ran, like I said: Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 LOL everytime i show you proof, you come up with some excuse to not believe it. but like i said, yet again.
Depends on the person and there knowledge, ive already told you.
But whatever, believe it or dont, not my problem, This whole debate was about the 10.7 time, I have proven it too you, you can say all you want, but its already ben proven fact, but again, believe it or not, im done, Lets just leave it at that.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 You've proven that there is a video on YouTube of a ZR1 running 10.7, there's no hard evidence that the car was stock.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 And you think this EdMunds video is hard proof that this 1 is stock? your being a Hypocrite, but Show me some proof that it isnt stock? You can always ask Jeff yourself. even Dragtimes lists what is stock and what isnt.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 I think that Motortrend and Road & Track managed to stay around for the better part of a century by NOT lying to people. Jeff can tell me whatever the fuck he wants. Why would he care what I, or a few other people on YouTube thought of him?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 60years to be precise, anyhoo, its actually funny you should mention that, because both MT And R7T, along with every reputable American Magazine has called Jeff Ranger to do a couple drives with there car, you can even ask, So if they called him, then that says something right there, but like i said, your being a Hypocrite, your believing a magazine, with no proof(As u say) and thats just writing, but hes actually showing his run, i dont think he does care, nor should he.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
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@JellyBird12 Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 I could ACTUALLY show my Civic run the 1/4, then claim it was stock and you or anyone else wouldn't know any different.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 You could, but do you actually think that No one could deduce thats is either stock or not? There are loads of people that could tell if its stock or not.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Yeah, and how's that? All the ZR1 would need is a smaller pulley on the supercharger, I don't think you can use a micrometer on a video to determine that it has the stock pulley.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I duont know how, im the wrong guy to ask that question, but there are people who can tell, i hope you dont think there arent.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 No one can tell, that's my point.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 That is not true at all, and you know it, how are you gonna believe an article from a magazine, just because theyve ben around for 60yrs, doesnt mean anything, they could have lied there asses of, but atleast this guy has a video and is saying his is stock, that 11.5 up there, you believe that, but i dont see you claiming it is, your being a Hypocrite again, but if you cant believe one thing, what are you gonna believe....
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Do you have the memory of a goldfish or something?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Does a GoldFish have a good or a bad memory?..
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 A goldfish has a very short memory span. You keep talking about that BS video, over and over, like it's some kind of solid fact.
I'm not a hypocrite, I didn't say I believe this video, but they did get the same 1/4 mile time as R&T so I do believe the time they got.
Also I don't see where you get the idea that GM didn't test the ZR1 in a wind tunnel. GM owns their own wind tunnel, and I would bet that ALL of their vehicles are tested in it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
A drag coefficient of 0.36 for the ZR1 would make sense, it has 638 hp and only has a top speed of 205 mph. That's kinda pathetic for a car with that much power. Also the Enzo has a reason for it's high drag coefficient, it's able to produce quite a bit of aerodynamic downforce, over 1,700 pounds of it at 186 mph to be exact. The ZR1 is actually producing lift at high speeds, exactly what you don't want.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Show me one shred of proof where they tested the Cd.36? because SportAuto did a windtunnedl too, and they got much lower Cd numbers, no other Automobile magazine/programme(that i know) has there own tunnel and tests them, SA got a better nuumber, and they proved it, end of story, look it up if you dont believe me, they even have pics, and you do know, that MotorTrend got a better 0-60, a better 0-100, and the SAME 1/4 mile with a ZO6, im not saying they didnt, but different sources
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Google: ZR1 drag coefficient
I would bet that SportAuto is using a different testing standard than what is common in the auto industry, nothing else makes sense otherwise. Even the McLaren F1 has a higher drag coefficient than what you claim the ZR1 has, less power and yet a MUCH higher top speed.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Why google it when they have used the SAME methods as they ever has, GM only CLAIMED it had worse, Cd.3q has ben tested by them, there the ONLY automobile tests that even run Cd numbers, why would you listen to a manufaktur claim when every time they claim something, its alwasy better? and the F1 has ben tested by SA and various testes, and has tested a Cd.31, optional aero pack not included,
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@idontcare80 The Mclaren f1 also weighs 700lbs less than a Zr1.
aieljose 1 year ago
@aieljose And?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Well that's part of the reason it can go 240 vs the ZR1's 205 with about the same power, but yeah the ZR1 should go much faster than 205 considering it's power.
aieljose 1 year ago
@aieljose Weight does have some impact, but not quite that much. Even the Bentley Continental Supersports can go 204 with 621 hp and it weighs 4,915 pounds, 1550 pounds more than the ZR1.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 so the question is why can the ZR1 only go 205? Aerodymamics maybe? Something is seriously wrong with that car.
aieljose 1 year ago
@aieljose yea, the country its made in
mrdarkknight 1 year ago
@aieljose the aero on this car is not aero of a supercar look at other supercars like murcielago or gtr but.... if not for this aero the car may handle better but then it wont be a corvette now would it?
TheHm3 1 year ago
@TheHm3 ah whatever.. i don't really care anymore.
aieljose 1 year ago
@aieljose why?
TheHm3 1 year ago
ZR1 IS KING!!!!
youlance29 1 year ago
@youlance29 DUDE U R SO RIGHT CORVETTES R BEAST
Corvette2011ZR1 1 year ago
@aieljose gearing. there's no reason to go over 200 mph besides for bragging rights
ken060693 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 @idontcare80 An en Enzo was quated to reach 218.7, but never did as far as i know, the only top speed was 211. but like i said the ZR1 was tested to be:
A) 2.059 m²
(cd) 0.30
(cd × A) 0.64
at 210km/h
lift front 29kg
lift rear 10kg And the Enzo has MORE lift than a ZR1, lift front 35kg, lift rear 12kg, and thats also tested by SportAuto, and theyve ben her since 1969, so there quite Reputable too.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Ferrari can't just claim that the Enzo produces 775 kg of downforce at 221 mph (I had the wrong speed before) if it doesn't, it would be false advertising and they could be sued. Also, the Enzo has been tested to 226 mph, on video.
watch?v=3Wvp8YjL-xw
idontcare80 1 year ago
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@idontcare80 lol..Anybody can claim anything, Car companys cannot be sued for claiming how much downforce or how fast there cars can are/make lol, even SportAuto tests downforce numbers, and just going by a speedometer lol you should know a speed can be of by as much as 20kmh, and i find it hard to believe that with this Cd, and every othere tests with even longer trys have yet to hit that speed, was this speed GPS verified?
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Torque doesnt do squat for performance? WHAT? Torque is Vital for launching a car, not horsepower, why do you think a SRT and a ZR1 have a faster 0-60mph time than an Enzo and CGT even with more weight and slower shifters? and no, the only nubers that matter are surely not ones from Magazines, the mags may be reputable, but they dont run the fastest, and whos to say they dont cheat? they just post numbers on paper, these guys do it on film, which is more reputable than writing it..
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idontcare80 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Torque at the flywheel doesn't mean crap because it is multiplied by the ratio of the gears in the driveline. Power is what determines torque at the wheels. Take the Gallardo Superleggra and the Corvette Z06 for example. The Gallardo has more torque available at the wheels in every gear and at every speed, yet the Corvette makes nearly 100 lb-ft more at the flywheel.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Another example: The '88 Mustang GT made 300 lb-ft @ 3,000 rpm, the '04 Accord V6 made 212 lb-ft @ 5,000 rpm. Gear both of those engines to 755 rpm at the wheels (about 60 mph for most cars) and the Accord ends up with 1,404 lb-ft @ peak torque while the Mustang ends up with 1,192 lb-ft @ peak torque. You can do the same calculation for peak power. You can also check out the link in my channel for more info.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Consider this, I have a Civic that looks exactly like it did when it came from the factory, yet under the hood there is an engine that makes DOUBLE the amount of hp it came with stock. Now, if I were to make a video of it running the 1/4 and claimed it was completely stock would you know the difference?
Also there are plenty of videos available from the magazine tests.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Torque, wether is flywheel or not, is what launches every car, not horsepower, overhang effects it too, and a Vette has more than a Ferrari, couple that together, and your good,Gallardo SL actually doesnt, The Torque at the Wheels is always more than ANY Lambo and sooner deliverys along with it being smoother from the get go, before and after except for the SV, check FastClub Article 49, or Amus Torque Check, they explain all those with there Torque callibrations concluding.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
You don't know what you're talking about and I don't understand what you're trying to say. If flywheel torque had any real effect on vehicle performance the Audi R8 5.2 wouldn't be as fast as the ZR1, the Enzo wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Murcielago LP670-4 SV wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Gallardo LP560-4 wouldn't be faster than the ZR1, the Ferrari 430 Scuderia wouldn't be as fast as the ZR1, etc, etc.
idontcare80 1 year ago
You're just not understanding the math and you'd rather believe your GM fanboy fantasies instead of cold hard facts.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 What Cold hard Facts are you talking about exactly? GM oNLY claims, other people test, how ignorant are you? Lemme guess, your gonna believe Nissans GT-R claim of Cd.27 right? even though SportAuto tested it more than once with there own windtunnel and got cd.31, Actually listening to Manufacture claims LOL LOL
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Are you still on cd? I'm talking about power to weight ratio, you know FORCE vs MASS., the two things that have THE MOST EFFECT ON ACCELERATION.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Are you actually thinking, the car with more bhp/ton is going to Out accelerate the car with lesser bhp/ton? lol if so, then thats not correct either, theres alot more than just power and torque you have to deal with, that is completely false.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 LMAO!!! You're telling ME about torque and hp? Are you fucking kidding me?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I could say the Same Thing.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Ok,
650 hp @ 755 rpm (60 mph for the mighty ZR1) = 4522 lb-ft
638 hp @ 755 rpm = 4438 lb-ft
Hey, guess what! More torque at the wheels means faster acceleration! Imagine that! Check the link on my channel to see that trick done for the entire Z06 and Audi R8 5.2 torque curves.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Sorry, that should be 755 wheel rpm.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Hmmm thats funny, because the LF-A has more torque at the rw, then a GT2RS, yet the RS has faster acceleration the whole stretch, and a C6 has alot more rw torque than a M3, yet the M3 out accelerates it through that stretch too....again, bigger torques surely does not mean faster acceleration, theres ALOT more you have to take into consideration, drag/gearing/weight/tyres/body/tranny/height/ alot of things big and little, but im sure you know that........
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 WTF are you talking about? The GT2 RS has almost 100 more hp than that LF-A. And I gave you a whole list of cars that are capable of out accelerating the ZR1, yet they make much less torque. You're just ignoring what you don't want to believe.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I ment GT3RS, Not GT2, anyhoo, And you didnt give me a list, but Write it for me any way.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 It's already there. The Murcielago LP670-4 SV runs a 10.9 according to Road & Track, it makes 487 lb-ft at the flywheel. And on your point about some cars making more wheel torque: It is possible that a car could make more PEAK wheel torque than a faster car, or vise versa, but the AVERAGE torque at the wheels over a distance and time (speed) is what counts. You could gear a lawnmower engine to make more torque than a ZR1, but it wouldn't be able to do it over a wide range of speeds
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Your right, the SuperVeloce did manage to beat it in the 1/4mile, and thats only from R&T, Amus and FastCLub both got 10.9 & 11.1 for the ZR1, and 11.1 and 11.2 for the SV, at 300kmh, the ZR1 is already ahead by 3.9s, 29.7 vs 25.8, and that was by Sa and Amus, who have tested both cars 6 times, on different occasions, but same day and driver. there are a few that will beat it, but not many, and out of All the verified 0-300kmh times, only 5 cars have managed to beat it.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 and...IT MAKES LESS FLYWHEEL TORQUE.
Also, 347 lb-ft vs 604 lb-ft. Both of these cars post the same 1/4 mile times according to MT.
watch?v=IH_kczT1jIk
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 LOL Are you actually gonna believe that vid? the Scuderia, out accelerating the ZR1 that WHOLE Way? lol thats funny, every other tests shows otherwise, and your right, MT did get 11.2 for both cars, 3.1s 2 60mph for the Scud, & 3.3 4 the ZR1, 7.1 to 100 for the Scud, and 6.8 4 the Z, but there trap speed was 133 and 127, thats a difference, do you know why the Scud goth those times by MT?
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@JellyBird12 Consider the drivers. All the Scud driver has to do is click a paddle, the ZR1 driver actually has to shift his car. I believe that video 100%, but I also know that with the right driver the Scud isn't much of a match for the ZR1 in anything other than the 1/4. Still, it's a great example of the physics that power these machines.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I know most of it is in the driver, i just didnt have enuff space to fit that part.................
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Ferrari Scuderia has Pirelli PZero Corsa Cup Tyres, aka Semi SLicks, along with a F1 SupeFast 2S 6Speed Sequential along with Short gearing,
Vs
Corvette Z= Michelin Pilot Sport tyres, aka Crap tyres for this car, and 6Speed Man.
And those materials that are inferior to the Ferrari's, yet it wins, despite weighing 351lb Heavier,its no surprise that it holds its own in that short time, after though..ZR1 tailights, and the Z beats it on everytrack tested, n not being a track car.
JellyBird12 1 year ago
@praetorian2150 MotorTrend sucks, MotorWeek FTW
jackmitchell123 1 year ago
Must've been a bad weather day...even the Z06 can do the 1/4 in better than 11.5 secs....and hit 60 in 3.4.....insane,no matter what.
JoeVetteman 2 years ago 3
hahaha 0-60 3.8 11.5 1/4 MILE WHAT A BAD DRIVER!
ISniffDirtyPanties 2 years ago 13
@ISniffDirtyPanties Do you realize how hard it is to launch a 600+hp car with no tc? These times are respectable and actually pretty consistent with what the average driver would be able to do. motortrends times are done on sticky drag strips which have more grip than the average road. Plus there done in optimal temperatures by proffesional drivers. Also they take like 20 runs to get those times. The average person would be around 4 seconds from 0-60 on the street.
aieljose 1 year ago