Brittisk arméöverste: Ingen gör mer än Israels armé för att skydda civila (BBC News)

[bigjohn697791]

he is very pro isreal and is thinking about his contacts and not a fair and balanced review off things which is a bit of a shame and i would have expected more from a ex british officer

[capitalsho]

Can you imagine an Arab army attempting to minimize civilian casualties?

[zamestol]

Rofl......

NO !!

[bercai]

Snakesnake wrote, roughly: Strange that it's allways more civilians killed by israelis than their counterpart. Doesn't that say who's trying to avoid civilian cassualities? Are You ironic? If not, have You noticed who Hamas targets? Do You think they would stop target israeli civilians if they had better weapons? Or do You think that would make their stated goal to exterminate every jew feasible?

[snakesnake4567]

Det är underligt att det ändå alltid dödas fler civila av israel än vad motståndarsidan dödar civilia israeler Säger inte det mer om vem som försöker undvika civila offer.

Sen har ju de brittiska trupperna mishandlat pojkar i basra och här talar ju ett brittiskt befäl.

Det här är ju bara sionistpropaganda.'

Israleiska militärer mördar barn för att de är blodtörstiga monster.

[snakesnake4567]

Och utöver det finns ju israeliska soldater som vägrat delta i kriget mot gaza.

[bercai]

Now, let's talk some about the number of death's in Gaza. At the moment I would say that it´s to soon to make any certain claims. But the figures of 1200-1300 dead might be an exageration. The Italian reporter Lorenzo Cremonesi claim the figures to be in the range 5-600 and the majority is young men in Hamas ranks. If thats true, it's one more proof that the IDF has showed great restraints in this war, contrary to the pedeled Hamas propaganda in the msm. The article is found in Corriere d Serra

[snakesnake4567]

OK, I Admit IDF are puppies who newer would hurt a fly.

[CaarThorin]

as opposed to hamas, IDF cares about civilians.

[snakesnake4567]

Yes, and in rwanda 1994 the hutuarmy cared about the tutsis?

[CaarThorin]

What does rwanda have to do with this topic??

[bercai]

'course 500 dead is awfull, 50 would be awfull too, or horrendous, since death by war, especially civillians is horrendous. But, my point was a reaction to your wording about total bombardment. If that had been the case, IDF could have laid waste to all of Gaza and every single life. They did not. Instead they tried to avoid civilian cassuallities to a great extent, while Hamas target Israeli civilians and use their own as sheilds. That's a huge difference and I felt your remarks distorted that.

[ODDMANtheone]

"If there was a deliberate crime committed..."

Israel has killed 4 of its own soldiers. The crime is manslaughter...not friendly fire...not collateral damage....its manslaughter.

If you can't aim, stop shooting. that goes for both sides. But to justify the hundreds of deal children and women is a crime in itself.

[MegaSvensk86]

A crime by Hamas, not by Israel, seeing as the only reason any civilians have been killed is Hamas' use of them as human shields.

[ODDMANtheone]

That is such a fraudulent and tired argument.

Israel believes in total bombardment as there are not enough Hamas fighters to constitute the destruction Israel has committed.

So were the 4 Israelis killed by Israel the result of human shields, or could it be that Israel is completely over aggressive with its hostilities towards Gaza?

Death tolls don't lie.

[bercai]

Oddman wrote: "Israel believes in total bombardment as there are not enough Hamas fighters to constitute the destruction Israel has committed."

If Israel believe in total bombardment, don´t you think there would be more death´s in Gaza. It´s like the colonel say´s: It´s a tragedy when people die in war and war is caos. But a highly technological army as IDF could realy commit horrendous destruction if they wanted to kill or didn´t care about civilians.

[ODDMANtheone]

You don't call 500 dead women and children horrendous?

How many have to die before it is horrendous, in your estimation? Because if 500 is not horrendous, than the 13 Israeli deaths isn't even unpleasant, by your own logic.

[HabbaDj]

(bumping the subject so to say...) Thats actually a really good point which shouldn't be thumbed down.

But keep in mind that it's harder to grip and feel for 13 dead people than 500. It's not because of racism or biasing but for the fact that when the deaths become too many it just become statistics. This is true because:

If one person is killed, you feel for him/her, but you don't feel a million times more if a million people are killed somewhere. It just becomes horrific..Do you get my point?

[snakesnake4567]

Kan du bevisa det, redogör för fullständiga bevis för alla dödade civila palestinier att de var mäsknliiga skäldar.

[CaarThorin]

"Kan du bevisa det, redogör för fullständiga bevis för alla dödade civila palestinier att de var mäsknliiga skäldar. " - har jag fel om jag antar att du är muslim?

Du resonerar som en muslim iallafall - bevisa ditten o bevisa datten - kom med lite bevis själv för en gångs skull. Enda ni alltid kan komma med är "bevisa det" - ni för aldrig en diskussion, för er är det en monolog som gäller - o ni ska ha rätt, oavsett sanningen.

[sakalan]

Finally! He's 100% right.