@exenrontexas It is true that southerners were afraid to lose a 2 billion dollar investment, but most of the problem stemmed from the fact that the South was not given a fair voice in politics. If the entire southern half of the country can vote against a president, and the northern half be split in votes, then something is very wrong. Lack of fair representation was a good enough reason for the Americans to split from the British.
@marmaladeisyummie Bullshit, we are nothing like those Natzi bastards, and you folk can quite Natzifying the Confederacy, that is just a grave distortion of fact and history.
@DixieRebel772 You are more like the Nazis, or more accurately the fascists than you may want to admit. Here is how. The fascists promoted totalitarian government control to support a single charismatic leader AND big business. It promotes the enslavement of less viewed races and group to support that leader and those businesses. The slave owners excuse for enslaving blacks was that they were bringing them OUT of ignorance by bringing them to Christ. But when the Virginia legislature passed...
@exenrontexas Fascists were National Socialists, believing not in big business but in Government control of pretty much everything and in a single ruler or small circle of power. The Confederacy was a decentralized government in favor of personal liberties with pretty much a carbon copy of the U.S. Constitution as their own. That takes care of trying to compare governments. Yes they held people in slavery, so did almost every other nation up until the 1800's. That is besides the point.
@DixieRebel772 If you would research the issue a little it would be much appreciated. Benito Mussolini that father of Fascism said that it more accurately should be called corporatism where government exists for large corporations and business. Also it is true that there was strong tradition of support for the Constitution in the South but not so much for supporting those God given rights for all mankind, just selected ones. In this regard they are very much like fascist. Selective rights.
@exenrontexas Unlike the Nazis the Confederacy did not commit the mass murder of any segment of their society, why, because coloreds were part of what made the South the South and were considered a part of Southern culture. They were considered less that a white person, but this was true in the north and in Europe. Southern Soldiers fought with honor to defend State's Rights their homes and way of life. To compare them to Nazis does a disservice to their memory and the memory of the
@DixieRebel772 I think there is a comparision between what the fascists did and what the Southern plantations did and the way they both views groups of men and women. The fascist viewed slavs, poles and most non Aryans as a fuel for their industry in that they could and should work them to death. Those same large corps like Theissen, Farbin and Krupp literally used slaves to run their factories. It may be true that a few blacks were treated somewhat like part of the family but most worked hard.
@exenrontexas Yankee soldiers who fought them. They were able to grasp each others hands in friendship at the close of the war, how many Americans laid hands on a Nazi SS soldier at the end of WW2 in friendship? more likely they were sticking a blade in their back. And its General Lee or Marse Robert by the way, not "even..Mr. Lee"
@DixieRebel772 It is true that between the common soldier there was kinship & even family in many cases. That was also true in a very few cases in WWII where German heritage GIs viewed the defeated Germans with pity although not as you say the SS. This is not at all true with the extreme resentment of many Southerners to the US Federal government which still exists today. And BTW, most of my relatives come from the South. I heard the term damn Yankee frequently growing up.The hatred is wrong
Lee himself thought the war was wrong but could not turn his back on his home, Virginia. If the South had not had such good Generals, the war might have ended faster for the betterment of all. Remember it was the South who started the war so that they could FORCE the North to accept and support slavery. That is the ONLY state right that was at issue. Ever read the Dred Scott case? Or Stephen Ambrose's "The Civil War".It was Lincoln who said that he could accept slavery if the South rejoined US
@exenrontexas I must resolutely disagree. I don't think there is any Comparison between Nazis and Confederates outside of a view on race. But this was a view common throughout the the world not just in the South! And Southerners were not eugenicists like Nazis and would never have dreamed of the butchery they committed. Also the South did not force the war on the Union to FORCE the North to accept and enforce slavery, they were fighting for independence from the Union.
@DixieRebel772 Two more things and then I will let it lay. The comparison was more about fascist than Nazis. Nazism was a fascist personality cult based on race. The fascists could enslave anyone to serve their corporate masters. But both descend from the concept of Social Darwinism which basically is the survival of the fittest. That is an anti-American and anti-Christian view based on domination and by extension slavery. The natural extension of Social Darwinism is Eugenics.
I have studied history for much of my short life, so I have read of the Dread Scott case but not in much detail. I have never read Stephen Ambrose's "The Civil War," though I have no doubt read many others of the same quality and subject matter. And on the Issue of State's Rights I must disagree again, that was not the only issue of State's Rights at the front. State's Rights to secede is the most obvious, however the issues of tariffs and economic issues. I don't have any issue on debating
@DixieRebel772 The second point is that what you apparently believe was not generally held by most Southerners at the time. Read the Southern newspaper articles on the subject or read the actual articles of secession passed in the respective Southern legislature. It is very much what I claim. But what they probably didn't talk about much was FEAR. The Southern fear that they would lose BILLIONS that they invested in slaves and what they might lose by blacks free in society. Peace.
the reasons behind the war, and if you wish to continue to debate in a gentlemanly way, you can PM me. As I said, I have no issues with debating the reasons for the war, but to compare my fathers to Nazis, never sir.
@DixieRebel772 a law which said if any slave accepted Christ they would automatically become free then the slave owners BANNED preachers and Bibles from plantations. SURE sounds like a repressive, totalitarian, hypocritical regime to me with a charismatic leadership, Jeff Davis...even Mr. Lee.
@marmaladeisyummie "We were not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of States Rights and Free Trade, and in defence of our homes which were being ruthlessly invaded." - VMI Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel a jewish Confederate soldier.
@AUG351 That may have been what they were told but it is simply not true. In a sense you are half right. It was a fight for the NORTHERN states to have the right to prevent having slavery forced on them. I suggest you read some of the respect bills in the southern state legisaltures in the secession actions which pretty much say that the wanted to preserve slavery THROUGHOUT the entire United States. I can never understand HOW the rich plantation owners got the poor boys to fight for them.
What a lot of nonsense. The ACW was the direct consequence of unfinsihed business from the war of independance i.e. what is the union about? the ACW was not fought over slaves rights - runnaways were sent back initially to the most gruesome brutality - shame on the North. It was fought over expansion rights to the west and the trade and profit that would come from that. Thank god the North won.
So he was fighting the war for one reason but had to lead everyone else to believe it was for another otherwisse they wouldn't fight . What about the songs ''Battlecry of Freedom and Let us live to make men free in BHOTR . Just trying to get all the info . Thanks for help .
Well I have asked this on other sites and wanted to post it here as well . I am trying to figure out what the cause was. The question I asked was What reason do people have for saying that the war wasn't about slavery . Is it 20th century embaressment or was it about something else and slavery is a trumped up issue to cover northern aggression ?
@mollymu1 The war was not MAINLY fought because of slavery. True, slavery was probably a small factor, but if you look and study it, people up North treated blacks bad too. So it wasn't just the South. "The victors write the history" That's true. The North won, so they tried saying there causes was of justice by saying the North fought the South because of slavery, when in fact, it wasn't. Hope that helped a little bit.
@mollymu1 well, it stopped being constitutional republic---became warfare-welfare empire, a different form of banking; the changes are immense. It is a "Statist" country, and"rule of law" (which means courts decide things), not elected officials, in a scenario where there is truly representational choice, and many things were taken away from the local levels (schools, for instance). Your country is bound up with central planning and redistribution of money from laborers.
This is no question the best from Charlie Moore. His masterpiece. The way it modulates and goes through the stages of death. Almost profetic. His love of the southern way of life comes out clearly. Great work Charlie--Rest in Peace.
Abe Lincoln was never baptized and was not a Christian. Karl Marx and Lincoln were mutual. Lincoln was a proto-Marxist. The Lincoln Brigades in the Spanish CIvil War all fought for the communists who are, as a Hellenic manner of speaking, full of "anti-Christ" ways contra naturam.
I absolutely love this song; have saved it, but it does get stuck in my brain and I end up singing it to myself for hours. It's sad, sad, sad. I am a Yankee who has lived in the South now 3/4 of my life and I have to say I totally understand the Southern attitude; had I been born back then, I'd sided with the South if I had had a chance.
"The struggle against oppressive authority" -- how totally ironic, when the freedom that the South yearned for was the freedom to hold oppressive authority over other people -
Does anyone believe in due political process & compromise? Believe me, the greatest enemy of America, north & south, is multinational corporations, those vast amoral kingdoms of money & power - if you want more freedom, compel our government to regulate corporate practices so we all don't get screwed out of our jobs -
Good song, my grandparents on both sides of my family had grandparents who were in the Confederate and Union armies. I'm proud of that fact, because they fought for what they believed in. Often, people refuse to sacrifice even the most basic of comforts for their own beliefs. Personally, I do not belong to Sons of the Confederacy. I do not feel the need to reaffirm my heritage. I already know it, understand it, and appreciate it.
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME It would make a very good noose for people like you, and I would be only too happy to lead you up those 13 steps so that you could feel that revered flag tighten around your skinny neck, and it would be the last thing you'd ever feel!
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME damn yankee the south will rise again that flag will fly high till we do[><] dixie is the best place to live so dont ya forget the yankee bitches
@sugarfoot59 Believe me, I live in the deep south and I am not jealous of a bunch of racist, illiterate rednecks. By the way its heroes, not hero's. And our sentence didn't make much sense due to the fact that I wasn't being racist.
@TheLyingMustache Well, I'm from Virginia, and I'm not sure just how my little message was perceived, but I just didn't take kindly to the statement that ALL Southerners are racists and bigots, it's just a fallback to their protect them from their own weaknesses. My ancestors fought with Mosby, therefore I am not a friend to those who think the South fought ONLY, to protect slavery! as for heroes?.........I have a couple, namely Mosby and Turner Ashby, even if I can't spell it correctly.
@sugarfoot59 I never said all southerners were racists. Once again, I am from the deep south. I think you need to read more carefully, your replies are not addressing what I am putting forward.
I was originally saying that if you support "southern independence" you're really supporting the enslavement of other humans. If you, or anyone else, are looking for symbols of rebellion I suggest not rallying behind one formed from racism and bigotry. Even if you do have ancestral links to the events.
@TheLyingMustache Okay, then I will say this.......YES, I would support Southern Independence! Rebellion?, sounds to me, like you have Yankee sympathies. After obammy, I would support succeeding again! It was not a 'Rebellion', it was and still is, a war of northern aggression and big government, and a stifling of States Rights, that's what my ancestors' journals say about it. So, don't put today's judgements on what they they believed then, because it won't fly!
@sugarfoot59 So you support the slavery of blacks then?
And just so you know, the only reason people in the south were concerned over state's rights was because of Dred Scott.
I really think you aren't reading correctly. I never mentioned today's judgements. If you were alive back then and you supported he south, you would be a racist rebelling against those who supported freedom for all races.
@TheLyingMustache I'm sorry, but I don't think you're even thinking correctly, and yes, you did throw in YOUR thinking on the matter. I don't really care what you think anyway, I would still support the South in the matter, and it's you, who should research the matter a little more completely, 'deep South' or no. I would have supported the South, simply because it would be my State, and don't give me that racist manure either.
@TheLyingMustache Just as I support my country today, I would have supported Virginia then, and you did not necessarily support slavery to support your State, just as there are a lot of politicians I don't care for, nor do I care for their policies, but I wouldn't back down from supporting this country today, because of them.
@sugarfoot59 So if you believe that America today is the land of the free and all that, why would you support the confederacy? They were all about slavery. That's the opposite of freedom! My point is that the confederates were "unamerican" in reality.
And if you support your country just because its your country then you should really think twice. Nationalism is a very ignorant and very dangerous thing.
@TheLyingMustache Different time, different era. I think you should think twice, and you dare call yourself a Southerner, I think you must be a transplanted yankee, and I will tell you once more, so don't use your old bigot and racism card, like all the blacks do when they don't get what they want. I believe one thing, and you believe another, so let's leave it at that. I do NOT believe it was all about slavery, and if you do, then you are nothing but a yankee. I do not need to think twice
@TheLyingMustache Plus, you are of the politically correct bunch, and I'm not..........do not believe in it. Let me reiterate...It was NOT all about slavery, don't you ever read history!, or do you listen to yankee propaganda.
@TheLyingMustache I am so sorry, but it was only PART of the problem. I do not agree with you at all, that it was the ONLY problem, or even the one that put it over the top for secession. There is no reason to argue the point, as I know you're politically correct, and there is no denying that fact. I'm telling you, it was not primarily over slavery as the Northerners try to convey, and that's just the way it is or was, so there is no getting around that fact, so got tell someone else.
@sugarfoot59 First of all, don't way I'm politically correct, I am not black, I am a southerner, you do not know me.
Secondly, the Civil War was a battle over slavery. Even things like you said (state rights) relate back to slavery.
Finally, through your replies it is pretty damn clear that you have some sort of clouded thinking process that I'm not able to comprehend. Unless you put forward any valid response other than "I'm right, you're a racist yankee" I suggest taking some history classes.
@TheLyingMustache Yes, you are politically correct, and NO, your 'thinking', is definitely clouded, and NO, those things do NOT relate to slavery, and maybe you'd better go back to school, Clyde! It's pretty darned clear, that you don't know as much about the War as you spout off, and yes..............I am RIGHT! And yes, you ARE a racist Yankee, so get a grip, Clyde!
@sugarfoot59 You realize you're not saying anything of validity right? Saying "I'm right, you're wrong, you're a yankee racist" doesn't make your right about anything.
@TheLyingMustache Well, I'm really sorry, but what I say, has every bit as much 'validity' as what you are trying to say. Also, I cannot help it if you're so misinformed, perhaps YOU should read up on history.
Hey HillBilly........ read the lincoln-Douglas debates....... read lincolns statement when he said if he could save the union by freeing not one slave he would do just that. Read lincoln infamous order #97 (?) in which it was stated that Confederate pow's would NOT recieve sufficient food, not any blankets or warm clothing to spare them from the elements of cold weather thus weakening their bodies and bring on their early deaths... He said a black man should never vote or hold office. Stuff it
fuck ol abe i would love the chance to shoot that piece of shit myself. ALL NIGGERS SHOULD STRECH ROPE! i swear by everything i love im going to kill 10 of them before i die. The difference between yanks and southerners is small but important. Trustwortheness, loyalty, manners, and respect.
@donnyboycwb You are no southern brother of mine. Sure, I hated abe. Sure,I hated the Union,but I'm not racist and I sure as hell ain't gonna go killing niggers. Now does that sound like loyalty,manners,respect,and trustworthiness to you? Of course not. I'll fly my battle flag high and true but I will accept that blacks are equal under said flag.
For everyone out the South was winning the by a land slide the first 3 out of the 4 years of the war, and we did not commit in the cowardly acts that y'all did like cutting off our supply roots to Europe the north knowing that if we would have supplies we would win by a landslide because as I will say again we were winning by a land slide and our soldiers didn't even have on shoes or the same uniforms on and some of our ships got threw your blockade, then you run around burning down towns,citie
@albinotatertot The South was never winning. Winning battles in your own territory does not constitute a victorious trend in the war on the whole. Southerners made only one, extremely unsuccessful foray into Northern territory, in which Robert E. Lee and his army of Northern Va. got their asses handed to them. The entirety of the war was fought on Southern soil, so "y'all" were losing from the day you commited treason by "seceding" in a drunken stupor. congratulations on that landslide.
@jmanthebarbarian The South didnt even want a war, so it only makes sense that an nation without an army, would fight defensively. If we wanted to just abolish the Unites States we had plenty of opportunities. As the saying goes "If we had just followed em after Manassas that war woulda been over."
@albinotatertot missed their one chance... only by sea could they become a de facto nation and 2 Tift brothers were trying to build a super armoured ship in the souths largest city, New Orleans.... but inferior ships got first dibs at vital supplies so the CSS Mississippi with a speed of 14 knots was never finished so no Southern port was truly clear of blockade and the flow of supplies that would entail....Lee could win 30 more battles and still lose....each day saw wastage of its army.
ZEEBOE HAS ABOUT 5 NAMES HERE ON YOUTUBE. hE HATES THE SOUTH AND IS AS RACIST AS ANY kkk MEMBER EVER DREAMED OF BEING.JUST IGNORE HIM AND MAYBE HE WILL GO AWAY!!! HE SEEMS TO LOVE REBEL VIDEOS THOUGH.
@mwgroves1961 - The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." If we are a Christian nation, why doesn't our Constitution say so?
@Zeeboe Read the state Constitutions! ALL, of them! Look, as to whom they refer! Are WE, a Christian nation?................................Pardner, you'd better believe it!!
@Zeeboe but it's morals are based on the golden rule ie the 10 commandments, you atheists have a real time understanding that because you refuse to learn anything about religion, most likely because you are scared of it. rev. 3:16
@Zeeboe The laws of the time were written from the ten commandments as they are common sense laws even for atheists they still apply as good moral laws. I would also like to point out that the constitution doesn't say anything about separation of church and state except in the First Amendment and in Article 6 paragraph 3. But it doesn't ban prayer in schools or allow for the words under God to be taken out of the pledge.
@Libertyin2010 - The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when the U.S. Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.
@Libertyin2010 - If prayers can be allowed in schools, does that mean Muslims, Hidu's, Jews, Satanists, and everyone else can pray in school too? Don't you think that may cause tension and violence? Why not go to a private Christian school if that's what you want or whatever branch you are, and let public school be the one place where it's about getting an education. Don't you think school should just be a place where kids get a basic education in things like math, English, reading, etc?
@Libertyin2010 - The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only 3 (homicide, theft, & perjury) are relevant to current American law, & have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse! Our secular laws, based on the human principle of justice for all, provide protection against crimes, & our government enforces them through a secular criminal justice system
Just FYI - The laws of the time of the US Constitution reflected a great deal of the humanism of the age, the Rights of Man as expressed by Thomas Paine & others - God was considered a benevolent diety but not daily involved in running human life - Judeo-Christian morality is a good thing, the foundation of our culture, but "under God" is a general expression, it could refer to Christ, Allah, Ahura Mazda, Shiva, whatever God your own faith perceives as true - just sayin'
@Zeeboe it dies this shows you have historically ignorant you really are in that period of history all documents were signed in the year of whatever the king was at the time.... The Constitution was signed as such... Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
@TheCptnSQUASH - The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality.
@Zeeboe Well we oughtta be a christian nation, if we wasnt Isreal wouldnt be an ally. The way obamas makin it now is we aint that great with Isreal like we used to be. Guess thats why in revelation in the Bible it says nothing bout america but of gog and magog which is china. lately chinas been building up money and army and they want to start supposely self contained communist cities in America.
@TheCptnSQUASH - Why should we be a Christian nation? The United States Government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious (not just Christians) & non-religious taxpayers. Countries run on religion always bring violence. Personally, I wish the U.S.A. would be more like the U.S.S.R., & express hostility to religion. Most modern Atheist countries have little violence, whereas the religious ones such as the U.S.A. & Iran have more violence then anyone.
@Zeeboe Well youve never read a Bible and you must be an IDIOT to want America to be more like the USSR if you dont like it here go over there where people are being starved because there leaders care too much about their needs. Atheists are undescrbable how can anyone believe we just became here....tooo many sci fi movies well im not going to argue anymore Now i want youto remember this because i care about every soul....
@Zeeboe that when millions of people disappear across the earth and no one can explain it if it happens in your generation that it was God who took us to Heaven, alls you have to do is ask God to save you and forgive you of your sins and beleive that His son came to save us from our sins.
@TheCptnSQUASH - Almost every generation believes we are living in the end-times. Your belief in a God is an argument from ignorance. i.e. You don't know how the universe was created, so you believe in a made up fairy tale that says a higher power created it, and there's no proof for it. Finally, the greatest argument Christians have to believe in their God is a threart of violence - Believe or burn forever. Well, almost every religion has their own "Hell", so which one should I believe in?
@Zeeboe The big bang theory is a theory made up by an idiot who thinks we came from animals well why aint i growin monkey tails and wings? Btw judaism is where all religion came from but christianity came from when jesus came to earth and told us to be followers in christ aka christians.Any ways God isnt threatning us with violence jesus came back to save us from that and if we accept we dont have to take what was originally punishment from adam and eves sin. and im the one being ignorant?
@TheCptnSQUASH - Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than a century and a half later. Most of the religious colonial governments excluded and persecuted those of the "wrong" faith. The framers of our Constitution in 1787 wanted no part of religious intolerance and bloodshed, wisely establishing the first government in history to separate church and state.
@TheCptnSQUASH - By the way: The U.S.A. did not have a Pledge of Allegiance until 1892. The U.S. Constitution is much older then it, and as I already posted - It contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity."
@Zeeboe The first outline did have it but the Founders wanted the states to choose for themselves because in the begining States had more rights. If you look at every State Constitution you will see that they put God at the start of them :)
@historyUS23 - Which ones? Most state constitutions contain language that is even stricter than the First Amendment, prohibiting the state from setting up a ministry, using tax dollars to promote religion, or interfering with freedom of conscience.
Ironworex King George was dead LONG before the war for southern independence was fought, there was in FACT a queen on the throne of england. Please know what you are talking about before you come here and try to speak for true southerns. It is idiots like you that make yankees think we are stupid.!!!!!
no both sides were financed by the king of england and when the south got a foothold on the union soldiers king george pulled his finances from the south...and now what you have today is british rule in the good old usa...but dont fear cause a new breed of southern soldiers are here..and THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN !!!!! and any of you commie lovin traitors up north got somethin to say bring it but do your history cause what you indoctirined fools learn in schools were lies!!!
Lincoln was against slavery,but he wasn't for the darkies.Read up on Lincoln and that will become abundantly clear.The Constitution doesn't allow for secession,but the Declaration of Independence does.That the instrument the thirteen colonies used to secede from the British empire.Had we lost the Revolutionary war,that could have been deemed an illegal action,the same as secession was.History is written by the victors,thus the defamation thrust upon the Confederate States of America.
@No1HillBilly - Lincoln was for the equal rights of al humans. I have read plenty about Lincoln, all all this lost cause, anti-Lincoln , neo-reb nonsense is just that....nonsense.
@Zeeboe No, not all, because all you read is what the victors want you to read. You have fallen for every piece of that yankee propaganda, just like so many of today's people have, because they believe what was and is, written by those who want the yankee propaganda to be all, that there is.
@Zeeboe well you are nonsense did your family loss land maybe not we had 5000 agers here the yanks took it all thank you assholes c.s.a in till i die
@sarge958 - He did not think white and black people could live together in peace, and given all the violence that has gone on, he was right. After seeing black Union troops fight alongside white Union troops, he changed his mind, and never spoke of deporting anyone again. He was the first President to actually speak out in support of allowing black people to vote.
@Zeeboe Which I might add,they did not allow black to join the ranks of the military until later in the war BECAUSE of racism. They needed someone that they could use for "military" labor while the white units went to fight. They did not think that the blacks could be capable of military battle.
@sarge958 - Lincoln also did not want the majority thinking the war was about slavery because there were plenty of racists up North who would not risk their lives for slavery. Infact, Lincoln freeing the slaves and allowing them to fight in the Army is one of the many things that caused the New York Draft Riot.
Lincoln had to change things from the inside, but he had to be highly discreet about it.
@Zeeboe my gosh you must have never read a history book not written by Yankee revisionist in your life. Abe himself was the biggest racist in the Union. Nearly Every Union general owned slaves and the war did not become about slavery till the North had their butts handed to them and needed more troops. The war was about taxation and the fact the North wanted to make the South just like them.
@Zeeboe Lincoln was amongst the most tyrannicaly presidents we've ever had. He suspended habeas corpus, and was the first war leader to implement a total war across the south committing damn near genocide. He also thought the white race was superior to blacks. His plan was to ship all blacks to Liberia. He may have hated slavery, but his primary concern was keeping the union together and expanding the powers of the federal government, which he succeeded in doing.
cgnuguy the south had the same right to secede from the union that the colonies had to secede from English monarchy rule.States rights were a given at that time,a fact glossed over by revisionist historians.Slavery was only made a primary issue later in the war years to solidify the north,even though Lincoln himself believed the blacks should be removed from here and back to Africa.Hence the formation of Liberia.Oh how I wish they would have all gone.
@No1HillBilly sorry you stupid fuck -- Lincoln's entire political life was about stopping SLAVERY you stupid fuck, read his 1000 speeches about it.
Not some bullshit edited "quote" a sentence or two long. Slavery was not an issue? You stupid fuck, slavery was the oxygen in the air you fucking retard, it was EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING was about slavery, ever law, every dispute, every election, every speech, every new state.
1) South had NO right to secede. You show me in the Constitution where it allows this right? In fact it was ILLEGAL for them to secede. Want to know where it says that? in the CONSTITUTION that authorizes specific powers to the US Congress and president to combat "rebellion" "insurrection" and the "threat of invasion"
2) Slavery was THE issue from the beginning - read Davis, Stephens, Calhoun, Fire Eaters, SC Secession Orders. Just read. Please.
@lewisclark1800 They didn't secede -- they attacked. That's like raping someone and saying "well sex is legal".
They could have seceded -- if they had done it legally. No one knows what that "legal" way is -- but its sure as fuck not attacking, and issuing ultimatums to spread slavery.
You can divorce too -- but you can't shoot your spouse, and kill the inlaws.
@lewisclark1800 u seem like a piece of PC shit. and then u say secession wasnt legal accrding to US laws? Do u really think the southerners of 1861 cared a rats ass about ur laws?the people making the laws are the same that the South rebeled aginst,dumbfuck! They were called REBELS!how would u feel f someone a 1000 miles away told you that u couldnt do something because they said so?imagine folks in alaska telling iowaians they cant do this or that on a specific day?thats DIXIES problem with u!
No shit they didnt care about laws. They didnt even care about human rights, which is why they FOUGHT for SLAVERY.
It's funny. We actually agree, but you're too stupid to realize I was responding to some other Southern Fuck who claims it was legal. Either way, you are all missing chromosomes.
Yeah - somehow i CAN imagine people 1,000 miles away telling you what to do. Thats the entire idea of a federal government - an idea ALL southern states agreed to.
Read - thats all you have to do. I know its hard, but all of your confederate traitor asshole policymakers ARGUE SECESSION WAS ABOUT SLAVERY. It's not me - its them
of course you wont. U R 2 stupid & lazy to look beyond Southern lies that make you feel connected to an identity that is absent historic truth
Christ you're an idiot. Fuck you and your fat dixie wife. You lost the war because you are backwood, poorly educated assholes who couldnt stomach the idea of losing slavery.
@lewisclark1800 your a retard man the rebels killed 2x as many yankees and we were out gunned out fed but we had heart!you didnt!yankees make me sick!
cgnuguy the south had the same right to secede from the union that the colonies had to secede from English monarchy rule.States rights were a given at that time,a fact glossed over by revisionist historians.Slavery was only made a primary issue later in the war years to solidify the north,even though Lincoln himself believed the blacks should be removed from here and back to Africa.Hence the formation of Liberia.Oh how I wish they would have all gone.
then Lee was so infuriated he went and gave the north what they deserved- the buring of chambersburg harrisburg and they took the cavalry to destroy crops railroads bridges and every useful thing those slithering tankees could have prfited from
@williethebruce Sorry dumb ass, the North kicked your pussy ass, over 2/3 of Lee soldier's deserted him, he had to put snipers BEHIND his own troops to keep more from deserting.
See "Reading the Man" about Lee, page 410. Remember who told you, dumb fuck
i had 26 men from my family fight in the civil war... 1 yankee 25 rebels... the yankee got captured.. lol and none of them died in combat - we didnt fight for slavery WE FOUGHT TO SAVE OUR HOMES HERITAGE AND HONORABLE FRIENDS we never really did it for slavery - u know for the first 2 years of the war we let the yankees fight on OUR homeland and they thought pillaging and slaughtering us in our homes was how to fight the war and thus we kicked ass in bull run chatanooga and a couple others then
@williethebruce stupid fuck - if you had 25 soldiers for the CSA -- its likely 22 of them deserted. Over 2/3 of the Confederate soldiers deserted by summer of 64, according to Jeff Davis himself. And then desertions got WORSE if that's possible.
The North should have done what you fucks did to slaves who fought back - burn you to death. Then the North should have turned you fuck faces into slaves -- according to your own God.
@lewisclark1800 they were violent evil fucks, that is for sure.
Only when you study their OWN words, their OWN newspapers, their OWN speeches, and their OWN actions, do you realize what thugs and lunatics and violent creeps they were.
you all realize the Civil War was caused by Southern prospects of a legislative loss, right? it wasnt about lack of representation or invasion. It was about the fact that they couldnt muster the congressional support to guarantee the maintenance of slavery.
In short, they reacted like 4 year olds and when they couldnt win with the rules of the game, they left the playground.
By the way, the at 0:05 it says "The struggle against oppressive authority is universal and eternal."
@lewisclark1800 True -- but the SOuth demanded, officially, that Lincoln SPREAD slavery to the territories. Did you know that? Read the Five ULtimatums, by the South, after Lincoln got in, but before Sumter. I will send you a link. Oddly overlooked.
Finally, Southern whites, like your family in 1861, were vicious racist, fearing the "intermingling" of white and black races and what equality of blacks would mean for whites. They didnt own slaves? They were protecting their farms? Yeah, Ive heard it all before, but they never address the fundamental threat that equality of the races meant for people like your great grand pappy.
@lewisclark1800 "Vicious racist", I'm sure that some of the family were racists while others were devout Christians and colorblind. You don't know us and besides, your family has never descriminated against anyone? If you say no, you're only fooling yourself. I must say that I particularly like your "intermingling" comment as we did intermingle with the Cherokees and Seminoles. The European side of my family has been here since the 1700s and I am offended by your use of the word "traitors".
1st, being a "devout Christian" has never excluded anyone from being a vicious racist. I know this. I live in VA.
2nd, "intermingle" or rape? And your claim, even if totally true, still doesn't address the blanket racism that shaped southern society for which they fought for and whose effects remain today.
3rd, your Confederate family members are traitors, by definition and the fact that 4 of 5 returned home is a ratio that is far too kind too people like yours.
@lewisclark1800 1st, you've obviously never met any true Christians and with regard to you're living in "VA", I suspect the DC suburbs of Northern Virginia which is really VA in name only - more transplants than native born.
2nd, "Rape" - somehow the marriage licenses would seem to negate your accusation. As a small boy, I knew my Seminole great grandmother and her marriage lasted 70+ years ending only with the death of my great grandfather.
In fairness, a lot of abolitionist were apposed to the intermingling of the races. While many of your points are fair, your assertion is that one side was dead right and one was dead wrong. That can not be said to be accurate, while it is no excuse, the North was no bastion of racial equality. White supremacy was a sign of the time in general, pinning it purely on the South is silly.
Racism was rampant in the North, I never claimed otherwise. One only needs to look at the NY Draft Riots. My problem is with revisionist southerners who pretend the war was not about the protection of slavery or hold these people up as heroes. The fact is that without Northern policymakers slavery would have survived and maybe spread and this Union would be broken and as backward as any state in the south.
@lewisclark1800 : Slavery was being abandoned by societies in a position to take advantage of advances in technology. Machines were a lot cheaper to maintain. It's highly unlikely that slavery would have spread; if anything it was soon to be phased out. Had the CSA succeeded in repelling the Union it's likely that the South would have gone into a transitional economic crisis when slavery was being phased out but the South may have eventually recovered. Any such economic crisis would have been...
@mcsaurus The rich plantation owners in the south were quite happy with their lives which was supported by slavery. One of the main reasons the south lost the war was because they had very little industrialization and were taking no steps to do so. years of overworking their land with the same crops made it necessary for some to move to new territories along their slaves. No one can say just how long slavery would have continued they were still picking cotton by hand long after the war right.
@686204 : Can't say I disagree with any of this.. Lee, BTW, saw the writing on the wall and felt that the South was heading into disaster no matter what the outcome of the War. He realized correctly that losing the War would greatly exacerbate the inevitable socio-economic disasters and this is why he fought so tenaciously - to buy the South time to find some least disatrous solution to its looming problems.
@686204 Can't say I disagree with any of this.. Lee, BTW, saw the writing on the wall and felt that the South was heading into disaster no matter what the outcome of the War. He realized correctly that losing the War would greatly exacerbate the inevitable socio-economic disasters and this is why he fought so tenaciously - to buy the South time to find some least disatrous solution to its looming problems.
@686204 the South had all the industrialization it wanted. No one was stopping the fucks. In fact, the tariff helped the South get industrialization. THe Tredegar Iron works in Richmond were HUGE -- and the main reason the SOuth put its capital there, and had the incredibly large earth works around it, built by over 100,000 slaves.
Learn some real history.
The South has done nothing but make excuses and cover up their shit for 150 years.
@FilmCriticOne Come on man compared to the North the South had very little industrialization. It is one of the reasons they lost the war. They had an Agrarian based economy and were way behind the North in industrialization.
@686204 That's the myth. The South has screamed that shit for 150 years. Sure the South had LESS than the North, but the Tredegar Iron works were immense. They built 1100 cannon there during the war. DId you know that? Where the fuck do you think the South got all the weapons, cannon, ammo, that they had? Magic?
The South actually started out with MORE supplies, MORE men, and more weapons than the North. A little tid bit they forget to tell you.
@exenrontexas It is true that southerners were afraid to lose a 2 billion dollar investment, but most of the problem stemmed from the fact that the South was not given a fair voice in politics. If the entire southern half of the country can vote against a president, and the northern half be split in votes, then something is very wrong. Lack of fair representation was a good enough reason for the Americans to split from the British.
jebstuart2 18 hours ago
I like this song.
TheMarumellow 1 month ago
What the hell is a condederate hey at least us southerners can spell.
presidentofawesome3 4 months ago
This sentimental conderate BS is a bit like Nazis justifying the Holocaust
marmaladeisyummie 4 months ago
@marmaladeisyummie Bullshit, we are nothing like those Natzi bastards, and you folk can quite Natzifying the Confederacy, that is just a grave distortion of fact and history.
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 You are more like the Nazis, or more accurately the fascists than you may want to admit. Here is how. The fascists promoted totalitarian government control to support a single charismatic leader AND big business. It promotes the enslavement of less viewed races and group to support that leader and those businesses. The slave owners excuse for enslaving blacks was that they were bringing them OUT of ignorance by bringing them to Christ. But when the Virginia legislature passed...
exenrontexas 2 months ago
@exenrontexas Fascists were National Socialists, believing not in big business but in Government control of pretty much everything and in a single ruler or small circle of power. The Confederacy was a decentralized government in favor of personal liberties with pretty much a carbon copy of the U.S. Constitution as their own. That takes care of trying to compare governments. Yes they held people in slavery, so did almost every other nation up until the 1800's. That is besides the point.
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 If you would research the issue a little it would be much appreciated. Benito Mussolini that father of Fascism said that it more accurately should be called corporatism where government exists for large corporations and business. Also it is true that there was strong tradition of support for the Constitution in the South but not so much for supporting those God given rights for all mankind, just selected ones. In this regard they are very much like fascist. Selective rights.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
@exenrontexas Unlike the Nazis the Confederacy did not commit the mass murder of any segment of their society, why, because coloreds were part of what made the South the South and were considered a part of Southern culture. They were considered less that a white person, but this was true in the north and in Europe. Southern Soldiers fought with honor to defend State's Rights their homes and way of life. To compare them to Nazis does a disservice to their memory and the memory of the
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 I think there is a comparision between what the fascists did and what the Southern plantations did and the way they both views groups of men and women. The fascist viewed slavs, poles and most non Aryans as a fuel for their industry in that they could and should work them to death. Those same large corps like Theissen, Farbin and Krupp literally used slaves to run their factories. It may be true that a few blacks were treated somewhat like part of the family but most worked hard.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
@exenrontexas Yankee soldiers who fought them. They were able to grasp each others hands in friendship at the close of the war, how many Americans laid hands on a Nazi SS soldier at the end of WW2 in friendship? more likely they were sticking a blade in their back. And its General Lee or Marse Robert by the way, not "even..Mr. Lee"
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 It is true that between the common soldier there was kinship & even family in many cases. That was also true in a very few cases in WWII where German heritage GIs viewed the defeated Germans with pity although not as you say the SS. This is not at all true with the extreme resentment of many Southerners to the US Federal government which still exists today. And BTW, most of my relatives come from the South. I heard the term damn Yankee frequently growing up.The hatred is wrong
exenrontexas 2 months ago
Lee himself thought the war was wrong but could not turn his back on his home, Virginia. If the South had not had such good Generals, the war might have ended faster for the betterment of all. Remember it was the South who started the war so that they could FORCE the North to accept and support slavery. That is the ONLY state right that was at issue. Ever read the Dred Scott case? Or Stephen Ambrose's "The Civil War".It was Lincoln who said that he could accept slavery if the South rejoined US
exenrontexas 2 months ago
@exenrontexas I must resolutely disagree. I don't think there is any Comparison between Nazis and Confederates outside of a view on race. But this was a view common throughout the the world not just in the South! And Southerners were not eugenicists like Nazis and would never have dreamed of the butchery they committed. Also the South did not force the war on the Union to FORCE the North to accept and enforce slavery, they were fighting for independence from the Union.
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 Two more things and then I will let it lay. The comparison was more about fascist than Nazis. Nazism was a fascist personality cult based on race. The fascists could enslave anyone to serve their corporate masters. But both descend from the concept of Social Darwinism which basically is the survival of the fittest. That is an anti-American and anti-Christian view based on domination and by extension slavery. The natural extension of Social Darwinism is Eugenics.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
I have studied history for much of my short life, so I have read of the Dread Scott case but not in much detail. I have never read Stephen Ambrose's "The Civil War," though I have no doubt read many others of the same quality and subject matter. And on the Issue of State's Rights I must disagree again, that was not the only issue of State's Rights at the front. State's Rights to secede is the most obvious, however the issues of tariffs and economic issues. I don't have any issue on debating
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 The second point is that what you apparently believe was not generally held by most Southerners at the time. Read the Southern newspaper articles on the subject or read the actual articles of secession passed in the respective Southern legislature. It is very much what I claim. But what they probably didn't talk about much was FEAR. The Southern fear that they would lose BILLIONS that they invested in slaves and what they might lose by blacks free in society. Peace.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
the reasons behind the war, and if you wish to continue to debate in a gentlemanly way, you can PM me. As I said, I have no issues with debating the reasons for the war, but to compare my fathers to Nazis, never sir.
DixieRebel772 2 months ago
@DixieRebel772 a law which said if any slave accepted Christ they would automatically become free then the slave owners BANNED preachers and Bibles from plantations. SURE sounds like a repressive, totalitarian, hypocritical regime to me with a charismatic leadership, Jeff Davis...even Mr. Lee.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
@marmaladeisyummie "We were not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principles of States Rights and Free Trade, and in defence of our homes which were being ruthlessly invaded." - VMI Cadet Moses Jacob Ezekiel a jewish Confederate soldier.
AUG351 2 months ago
@AUG351 That may have been what they were told but it is simply not true. In a sense you are half right. It was a fight for the NORTHERN states to have the right to prevent having slavery forced on them. I suggest you read some of the respect bills in the southern state legisaltures in the secession actions which pretty much say that the wanted to preserve slavery THROUGHOUT the entire United States. I can never understand HOW the rich plantation owners got the poor boys to fight for them.
exenrontexas 2 months ago
What a lot of nonsense. The ACW was the direct consequence of unfinsihed business from the war of independance i.e. what is the union about? the ACW was not fought over slaves rights - runnaways were sent back initially to the most gruesome brutality - shame on the North. It was fought over expansion rights to the west and the trade and profit that would come from that. Thank god the North won.
marmaladeisyummie 4 months ago
So he was fighting the war for one reason but had to lead everyone else to believe it was for another otherwisse they wouldn't fight . What about the songs ''Battlecry of Freedom and Let us live to make men free in BHOTR . Just trying to get all the info . Thanks for help .
mollymu1 5 months ago
Well I have asked this on other sites and wanted to post it here as well . I am trying to figure out what the cause was. The question I asked was What reason do people have for saying that the war wasn't about slavery . Is it 20th century embaressment or was it about something else and slavery is a trumped up issue to cover northern aggression ?
mollymu1 5 months ago
@mollymu1 The war was not MAINLY fought because of slavery. True, slavery was probably a small factor, but if you look and study it, people up North treated blacks bad too. So it wasn't just the South. "The victors write the history" That's true. The North won, so they tried saying there causes was of justice by saying the North fought the South because of slavery, when in fact, it wasn't. Hope that helped a little bit.
Yourcountryman85 2 months ago
@mollymu1 well, it stopped being constitutional republic---became warfare-welfare empire, a different form of banking; the changes are immense. It is a "Statist" country, and"rule of law" (which means courts decide things), not elected officials, in a scenario where there is truly representational choice, and many things were taken away from the local levels (schools, for instance). Your country is bound up with central planning and redistribution of money from laborers.
westchesterny 2 months ago
This is no question the best from Charlie Moore. His masterpiece. The way it modulates and goes through the stages of death. Almost profetic. His love of the southern way of life comes out clearly. Great work Charlie--Rest in Peace.
ranny65 5 months ago
rebel blood in my veins yankee blood in my yard
TheDarkjedi666 6 months ago
Deo vindice et deest iam terra fugae.
Abe Lincoln was never baptized and was not a Christian. Karl Marx and Lincoln were mutual. Lincoln was a proto-Marxist. The Lincoln Brigades in the Spanish CIvil War all fought for the communists who are, as a Hellenic manner of speaking, full of "anti-Christ" ways contra naturam.
FanofFanny 6 months ago
@FanofFanny Abe Lincoln was Christian. I am a Christian and was never baptized, what of it?
How was he a Marxist?
driftingbosco 6 months ago
@FanofFanny well the other side was nazis and facists
TThorne931 5 months ago
I absolutely love this song; have saved it, but it does get stuck in my brain and I end up singing it to myself for hours. It's sad, sad, sad. I am a Yankee who has lived in the South now 3/4 of my life and I have to say I totally understand the Southern attitude; had I been born back then, I'd sided with the South if I had had a chance.
Seachop7 7 months ago
@Seachop7 - Interesting. I am from the South, have lived here my whole life, and this type of stuff makes me ashamed to live here.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
"The struggle against oppressive authority" -- how totally ironic, when the freedom that the South yearned for was the freedom to hold oppressive authority over other people -
Does anyone believe in due political process & compromise? Believe me, the greatest enemy of America, north & south, is multinational corporations, those vast amoral kingdoms of money & power - if you want more freedom, compel our government to regulate corporate practices so we all don't get screwed out of our jobs -
SupernalOne 7 months ago
This song reminds me of ulster/scots way of thinking, lyrically and melody wise so much it's untrue
cosmictimes 7 months ago
god bless dixie and the state of alabama
countrydude251 7 months ago
Good song, my grandparents on both sides of my family had grandparents who were in the Confederate and Union armies. I'm proud of that fact, because they fought for what they believed in. Often, people refuse to sacrifice even the most basic of comforts for their own beliefs. Personally, I do not belong to Sons of the Confederacy. I do not feel the need to reaffirm my heritage. I already know it, understand it, and appreciate it.
LordPopeyeAlphaDog 8 months ago
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Another European and not a brainwashed victim of the Northern public school system who supports the CSA. Thumbs way up!
FastPonyGT 8 months ago
DIXIE FLAG=GOOD TOILET PAPER
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 8 months ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME It would make a very good noose for people like you, and I would be only too happy to lead you up those 13 steps so that you could feel that revered flag tighten around your skinny neck, and it would be the last thing you'd ever feel!
sugarfoot59 8 months ago
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@HUMANSAREBENEATHME fuck you nigger
themrbeckley 7 months ago
@HUMANSAREBENEATHME damn yankee the south will rise again that flag will fly high till we do[><] dixie is the best place to live so dont ya forget the yankee bitches
deagle727 7 months ago
@deagle727 "the south will rise again"...GOOD! We need more parking lots.
HUMANSAREBENEATHME 7 months ago
glory to south from Italy
fo140351 8 months ago
this band singing is charlie waller and the country gentlemen...they do an awesome job
barrygroom1 9 months ago
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HOLLY SHIT GUYS!!! My baby son almost fucking died /watch?v=LDmNQBFbpoM
93Polishguy 9 months ago
I like how people mask bigotry and racism with "southern independence"
TheLyingMustache 9 months ago
@TheLyingMustache I like people who mask their jealously of the Confederate hero's with bigotry and shouts of racism!
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 Believe me, I live in the deep south and I am not jealous of a bunch of racist, illiterate rednecks. By the way its heroes, not hero's. And our sentence didn't make much sense due to the fact that I wasn't being racist.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Well, I'm from Virginia, and I'm not sure just how my little message was perceived, but I just didn't take kindly to the statement that ALL Southerners are racists and bigots, it's just a fallback to their protect them from their own weaknesses. My ancestors fought with Mosby, therefore I am not a friend to those who think the South fought ONLY, to protect slavery! as for heroes?.........I have a couple, namely Mosby and Turner Ashby, even if I can't spell it correctly.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 I never said all southerners were racists. Once again, I am from the deep south. I think you need to read more carefully, your replies are not addressing what I am putting forward.
I was originally saying that if you support "southern independence" you're really supporting the enslavement of other humans. If you, or anyone else, are looking for symbols of rebellion I suggest not rallying behind one formed from racism and bigotry. Even if you do have ancestral links to the events.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Okay, then I will say this.......YES, I would support Southern Independence! Rebellion?, sounds to me, like you have Yankee sympathies. After obammy, I would support succeeding again! It was not a 'Rebellion', it was and still is, a war of northern aggression and big government, and a stifling of States Rights, that's what my ancestors' journals say about it. So, don't put today's judgements on what they they believed then, because it won't fly!
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 So you support the slavery of blacks then?
And just so you know, the only reason people in the south were concerned over state's rights was because of Dred Scott.
I really think you aren't reading correctly. I never mentioned today's judgements. If you were alive back then and you supported he south, you would be a racist rebelling against those who supported freedom for all races.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache I'm sorry, but I don't think you're even thinking correctly, and yes, you did throw in YOUR thinking on the matter. I don't really care what you think anyway, I would still support the South in the matter, and it's you, who should research the matter a little more completely, 'deep South' or no. I would have supported the South, simply because it would be my State, and don't give me that racist manure either.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Just as I support my country today, I would have supported Virginia then, and you did not necessarily support slavery to support your State, just as there are a lot of politicians I don't care for, nor do I care for their policies, but I wouldn't back down from supporting this country today, because of them.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 So if you believe that America today is the land of the free and all that, why would you support the confederacy? They were all about slavery. That's the opposite of freedom! My point is that the confederates were "unamerican" in reality.
And if you support your country just because its your country then you should really think twice. Nationalism is a very ignorant and very dangerous thing.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Different time, different era. I think you should think twice, and you dare call yourself a Southerner, I think you must be a transplanted yankee, and I will tell you once more, so don't use your old bigot and racism card, like all the blacks do when they don't get what they want. I believe one thing, and you believe another, so let's leave it at that. I do NOT believe it was all about slavery, and if you do, then you are nothing but a yankee. I do not need to think twice
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Plus, you are of the politically correct bunch, and I'm not..........do not believe in it. Let me reiterate...It was NOT all about slavery, don't you ever read history!, or do you listen to yankee propaganda.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 I am not the politically correct type. That judgement has no base and is completely false.
And yes, I just finished college US history. The Civil War was a fight over slavery. There is no getting around that.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache I am so sorry, but it was only PART of the problem. I do not agree with you at all, that it was the ONLY problem, or even the one that put it over the top for secession. There is no reason to argue the point, as I know you're politically correct, and there is no denying that fact. I'm telling you, it was not primarily over slavery as the Northerners try to convey, and that's just the way it is or was, so there is no getting around that fact, so got tell someone else.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 First of all, don't way I'm politically correct, I am not black, I am a southerner, you do not know me.
Secondly, the Civil War was a battle over slavery. Even things like you said (state rights) relate back to slavery.
Finally, through your replies it is pretty damn clear that you have some sort of clouded thinking process that I'm not able to comprehend. Unless you put forward any valid response other than "I'm right, you're a racist yankee" I suggest taking some history classes.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Yes, you are politically correct, and NO, your 'thinking', is definitely clouded, and NO, those things do NOT relate to slavery, and maybe you'd better go back to school, Clyde! It's pretty darned clear, that you don't know as much about the War as you spout off, and yes..............I am RIGHT! And yes, you ARE a racist Yankee, so get a grip, Clyde!
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
@sugarfoot59 You realize you're not saying anything of validity right? Saying "I'm right, you're wrong, you're a yankee racist" doesn't make your right about anything.
TheLyingMustache 7 months ago
@TheLyingMustache Well, I'm really sorry, but what I say, has every bit as much 'validity' as what you are trying to say. Also, I cannot help it if you're so misinformed, perhaps YOU should read up on history.
sugarfoot59 7 months ago
who invited the lincoln and american lovers to this rebel party
hillbillywilly01 9 months ago
Hey HillBilly........ read the lincoln-Douglas debates....... read lincolns statement when he said if he could save the union by freeing not one slave he would do just that. Read lincoln infamous order #97 (?) in which it was stated that Confederate pow's would NOT recieve sufficient food, not any blankets or warm clothing to spare them from the elements of cold weather thus weakening their bodies and bring on their early deaths... He said a black man should never vote or hold office. Stuff it
JoniReb7 9 months ago
Nice vid! Ι would like to know who is singing please!
Peristerygr 9 months ago
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Hands down one of my favorite video`s on youtube!!..I`ve been listenning to this song for 20 years +
CarbSynchronize 10 months ago
Hands down one of my favorite vieo`s on youtube!!..I`ve been listenning to this song for 20 years +
CarbSynchronize 10 months ago
这首歌很好听嘛
swdcg 10 months ago
Is this The Boys of Indiana”??
56TonyT 10 months ago
This has got to be my most favorite song ever!!!
How can I get a download for my USB stick?
56TonyT 10 months ago
fuck ol abe i would love the chance to shoot that piece of shit myself. ALL NIGGERS SHOULD STRECH ROPE! i swear by everything i love im going to kill 10 of them before i die. The difference between yanks and southerners is small but important. Trustwortheness, loyalty, manners, and respect.
donnyboycwb 11 months ago
@donnyboycwb may i ask why you believe this?
Sherpard1 11 months ago
@donnyboycwb You are no southern brother of mine. Sure, I hated abe. Sure,I hated the Union,but I'm not racist and I sure as hell ain't gonna go killing niggers. Now does that sound like loyalty,manners,respect,and trustworthiness to you? Of course not. I'll fly my battle flag high and true but I will accept that blacks are equal under said flag.
sarge958 11 months ago
@sarge958 - Not a racist, yet you just used the "N" word. Yeah, as long as black people know their place, you're okay with them, right?
Zeeboe 11 months ago
For everyone out the South was winning the by a land slide the first 3 out of the 4 years of the war, and we did not commit in the cowardly acts that y'all did like cutting off our supply roots to Europe the north knowing that if we would have supplies we would win by a landslide because as I will say again we were winning by a land slide and our soldiers didn't even have on shoes or the same uniforms on and some of our ships got threw your blockade, then you run around burning down towns,citie
albinotatertot 1 year ago
@albinotatertot The South was never winning. Winning battles in your own territory does not constitute a victorious trend in the war on the whole. Southerners made only one, extremely unsuccessful foray into Northern territory, in which Robert E. Lee and his army of Northern Va. got their asses handed to them. The entirety of the war was fought on Southern soil, so "y'all" were losing from the day you commited treason by "seceding" in a drunken stupor. congratulations on that landslide.
jmanthebarbarian 1 year ago
@jmanthebarbarian The South didnt even want a war, so it only makes sense that an nation without an army, would fight defensively. If we wanted to just abolish the Unites States we had plenty of opportunities. As the saying goes "If we had just followed em after Manassas that war woulda been over."
imhigh99 1 year ago
@albinotatertot missed their one chance... only by sea could they become a de facto nation and 2 Tift brothers were trying to build a super armoured ship in the souths largest city, New Orleans.... but inferior ships got first dibs at vital supplies so the CSS Mississippi with a speed of 14 knots was never finished so no Southern port was truly clear of blockade and the flow of supplies that would entail....Lee could win 30 more battles and still lose....each day saw wastage of its army.
crpdst2003 1 year ago
ZEEBOE HAS ABOUT 5 NAMES HERE ON YOUTUBE. hE HATES THE SOUTH AND IS AS RACIST AS ANY kkk MEMBER EVER DREAMED OF BEING.JUST IGNORE HIM AND MAYBE HE WILL GO AWAY!!! HE SEEMS TO LOVE REBEL VIDEOS THOUGH.
bluegrassreb1 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb1 . He actually has about 20. He's all over the place. A real nutcase.
progressiverebel 1 year ago
THIS IS THE COUNTRY GENTLEMEN! CHARLIE WALLER!
kegnfool 1 year ago
@mwgroves1961 - The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." If we are a Christian nation, why doesn't our Constitution say so?
Zeeboe 1 year ago 5
@Zeeboe Read the state Constitutions! ALL, of them! Look, as to whom they refer! Are WE, a Christian nation?................................Pardner, you'd better believe it!!
sugarfoot59 1 year ago
@Zeeboe Because of the first admendment retard you have no argument here. We don't claim to be a Christian nation anyway.
jess1up 11 months ago
@jess1up - Some think we do.
Zeeboe 11 months ago
@Zeeboe but it's morals are based on the golden rule ie the 10 commandments, you atheists have a real time understanding that because you refuse to learn anything about religion, most likely because you are scared of it. rev. 3:16
BloodNorseGods 9 months ago
@BloodNorseGods - I use to be a Christian.
Zeeboe 9 months ago
@Zeeboe The laws of the time were written from the ten commandments as they are common sense laws even for atheists they still apply as good moral laws. I would also like to point out that the constitution doesn't say anything about separation of church and state except in the First Amendment and in Article 6 paragraph 3. But it doesn't ban prayer in schools or allow for the words under God to be taken out of the pledge.
Libertyin2010 7 months ago
@Libertyin2010 - The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when the U.S. Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Libertyin2010 - If prayers can be allowed in schools, does that mean Muslims, Hidu's, Jews, Satanists, and everyone else can pray in school too? Don't you think that may cause tension and violence? Why not go to a private Christian school if that's what you want or whatever branch you are, and let public school be the one place where it's about getting an education. Don't you think school should just be a place where kids get a basic education in things like math, English, reading, etc?
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Libertyin2010 - The first four Commandments are religious edicts having nothing to do with law or ethical behavior. Only 3 (homicide, theft, & perjury) are relevant to current American law, & have existed in cultures long before Moses. If Americans honored the commandment against "coveting," free enterprise would collapse! Our secular laws, based on the human principle of justice for all, provide protection against crimes, & our government enforces them through a secular criminal justice system
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Libertyin2010
Just FYI - The laws of the time of the US Constitution reflected a great deal of the humanism of the age, the Rights of Man as expressed by Thomas Paine & others - God was considered a benevolent diety but not daily involved in running human life - Judeo-Christian morality is a good thing, the foundation of our culture, but "under God" is a general expression, it could refer to Christ, Allah, Ahura Mazda, Shiva, whatever God your own faith perceives as true - just sayin'
SupernalOne 7 months ago
@Zeeboe it dies this shows you have historically ignorant you really are in that period of history all documents were signed in the year of whatever the king was at the time.... The Constitution was signed as such... Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
So you might want to learn your history
southronpartisan 7 months ago
@Zeeboe Because the pledge of allegiance origanally states one nation UNDER GOD
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Zeeboe Well we oughtta be a christian nation, if we wasnt Isreal wouldnt be an ally. The way obamas makin it now is we aint that great with Isreal like we used to be. Guess thats why in revelation in the Bible it says nothing bout america but of gog and magog which is china. lately chinas been building up money and army and they want to start supposely self contained communist cities in America.
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - Why should we be a Christian nation? The United States Government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious (not just Christians) & non-religious taxpayers. Countries run on religion always bring violence. Personally, I wish the U.S.A. would be more like the U.S.S.R., & express hostility to religion. Most modern Atheist countries have little violence, whereas the religious ones such as the U.S.A. & Iran have more violence then anyone.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Zeeboe Well youve never read a Bible and you must be an IDIOT to want America to be more like the USSR if you dont like it here go over there where people are being starved because there leaders care too much about their needs. Atheists are undescrbable how can anyone believe we just became here....tooo many sci fi movies well im not going to argue anymore Now i want youto remember this because i care about every soul....
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@Zeeboe that when millions of people disappear across the earth and no one can explain it if it happens in your generation that it was God who took us to Heaven, alls you have to do is ask God to save you and forgive you of your sins and beleive that His son came to save us from our sins.
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - Almost every generation believes we are living in the end-times. Your belief in a God is an argument from ignorance. i.e. You don't know how the universe was created, so you believe in a made up fairy tale that says a higher power created it, and there's no proof for it. Finally, the greatest argument Christians have to believe in their God is a threart of violence - Believe or burn forever. Well, almost every religion has their own "Hell", so which one should I believe in?
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Zeeboe The big bang theory is a theory made up by an idiot who thinks we came from animals well why aint i growin monkey tails and wings? Btw judaism is where all religion came from but christianity came from when jesus came to earth and told us to be followers in christ aka christians.Any ways God isnt threatning us with violence jesus came back to save us from that and if we accept we dont have to take what was originally punishment from adam and eves sin. and im the one being ignorant?
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - Everything you just posted, along with a $1.25 will buy a cup of coffee.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Zeeboe lol
TheCptnSQUASH 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom. The secular United States of America was formed more than a century and a half later. Most of the religious colonial governments excluded and persecuted those of the "wrong" faith. The framers of our Constitution in 1787 wanted no part of religious intolerance and bloodshed, wisely establishing the first government in history to separate church and state.
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@TheCptnSQUASH - By the way: The U.S.A. did not have a Pledge of Allegiance until 1892. The U.S. Constitution is much older then it, and as I already posted - It contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity."
Zeeboe 7 months ago
@Zeeboe The first outline did have it but the Founders wanted the states to choose for themselves because in the begining States had more rights. If you look at every State Constitution you will see that they put God at the start of them :)
historyUS23 5 months ago
@historyUS23 - Which ones? Most state constitutions contain language that is even stricter than the First Amendment, prohibiting the state from setting up a ministry, using tax dollars to promote religion, or interfering with freedom of conscience.
Zeeboe 5 months ago
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RonPaulHatesBlacks 1 year ago
Ironworex King George was dead LONG before the war for southern independence was fought, there was in FACT a queen on the throne of england. Please know what you are talking about before you come here and try to speak for true southerns. It is idiots like you that make yankees think we are stupid.!!!!!
ges189373 1 year ago
no both sides were financed by the king of england and when the south got a foothold on the union soldiers king george pulled his finances from the south...and now what you have today is british rule in the good old usa...but dont fear cause a new breed of southern soldiers are here..and THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN !!!!! and any of you commie lovin traitors up north got somethin to say bring it but do your history cause what you indoctirined fools learn in schools were lies!!!
ironworex 1 year ago
Lincoln was against slavery,but he wasn't for the darkies.Read up on Lincoln and that will become abundantly clear.The Constitution doesn't allow for secession,but the Declaration of Independence does.That the instrument the thirteen colonies used to secede from the British empire.Had we lost the Revolutionary war,that could have been deemed an illegal action,the same as secession was.History is written by the victors,thus the defamation thrust upon the Confederate States of America.
No1HillBilly 1 year ago
@No1HillBilly - Lincoln was for the equal rights of al humans. I have read plenty about Lincoln, all all this lost cause, anti-Lincoln , neo-reb nonsense is just that....nonsense.
Zeeboe 1 year ago 2
@Zeeboe No, not all, because all you read is what the victors want you to read. You have fallen for every piece of that yankee propaganda, just like so many of today's people have, because they believe what was and is, written by those who want the yankee propaganda to be all, that there is.
sugarfoot59 1 year ago
@sugarfoot59 - So anything that you disagree with is propaganda, but anything you agree with is alright?
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe well you are nonsense did your family loss land maybe not we had 5000 agers here the yanks took it all thank you assholes c.s.a in till i die
thebrian266 11 months ago
@Zeeboe Equal rights? So why was he so willing to ship off blacks from America to Central America,huh?
sarge958 11 months ago
@sarge958 - He did not think white and black people could live together in peace, and given all the violence that has gone on, he was right. After seeing black Union troops fight alongside white Union troops, he changed his mind, and never spoke of deporting anyone again. He was the first President to actually speak out in support of allowing black people to vote.
Zeeboe 11 months ago
@Zeeboe Which I might add,they did not allow black to join the ranks of the military until later in the war BECAUSE of racism. They needed someone that they could use for "military" labor while the white units went to fight. They did not think that the blacks could be capable of military battle.
sarge958 11 months ago
@sarge958 - Lincoln also did not want the majority thinking the war was about slavery because there were plenty of racists up North who would not risk their lives for slavery. Infact, Lincoln freeing the slaves and allowing them to fight in the Army is one of the many things that caused the New York Draft Riot.
Lincoln had to change things from the inside, but he had to be highly discreet about it.
Zeeboe 11 months ago 4
@Zeeboe my gosh you must have never read a history book not written by Yankee revisionist in your life. Abe himself was the biggest racist in the Union. Nearly Every Union general owned slaves and the war did not become about slavery till the North had their butts handed to them and needed more troops. The war was about taxation and the fact the North wanted to make the South just like them.
southronpartisan 7 months ago
@Zeeboe Lincoln was amongst the most tyrannicaly presidents we've ever had. He suspended habeas corpus, and was the first war leader to implement a total war across the south committing damn near genocide. He also thought the white race was superior to blacks. His plan was to ship all blacks to Liberia. He may have hated slavery, but his primary concern was keeping the union together and expanding the powers of the federal government, which he succeeded in doing.
xtremejohnny69 5 months ago
@Zeeboe thats why he was shot dumbass
mannb18 10 months ago
@mannb18 - No one ever said doing the right thing was easy or safe.
Zeeboe 10 months ago
@Zeeboe I concur with you.
mannb18 10 months ago
no King was always a REP.
bluegrasssingingman 1 year ago
cgnuguy the south had the same right to secede from the union that the colonies had to secede from English monarchy rule.States rights were a given at that time,a fact glossed over by revisionist historians.Slavery was only made a primary issue later in the war years to solidify the north,even though Lincoln himself believed the blacks should be removed from here and back to Africa.Hence the formation of Liberia.Oh how I wish they would have all gone.
No1HillBilly 1 year ago
@No1HillBilly sorry you stupid fuck -- Lincoln's entire political life was about stopping SLAVERY you stupid fuck, read his 1000 speeches about it.
Not some bullshit edited "quote" a sentence or two long. Slavery was not an issue? You stupid fuck, slavery was the oxygen in the air you fucking retard, it was EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING was about slavery, ever law, every dispute, every election, every speech, every new state.
Learn some history you stupid fuck
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@No1HillBilly
1) South had NO right to secede. You show me in the Constitution where it allows this right? In fact it was ILLEGAL for them to secede. Want to know where it says that? in the CONSTITUTION that authorizes specific powers to the US Congress and president to combat "rebellion" "insurrection" and the "threat of invasion"
2) Slavery was THE issue from the beginning - read Davis, Stephens, Calhoun, Fire Eaters, SC Secession Orders. Just read. Please.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 They didn't secede -- they attacked. That's like raping someone and saying "well sex is legal".
They could have seceded -- if they had done it legally. No one knows what that "legal" way is -- but its sure as fuck not attacking, and issuing ultimatums to spread slavery.
You can divorce too -- but you can't shoot your spouse, and kill the inlaws.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 according to Lincoln's platform the expansion of slavery was to be nixed but the issues that split the nation were numerous
civilwaronezeroone 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 u seem like a piece of PC shit. and then u say secession wasnt legal accrding to US laws? Do u really think the southerners of 1861 cared a rats ass about ur laws?the people making the laws are the same that the South rebeled aginst,dumbfuck! They were called REBELS!how would u feel f someone a 1000 miles away told you that u couldnt do something because they said so?imagine folks in alaska telling iowaians they cant do this or that on a specific day?thats DIXIES problem with u!
bluegrassreb 1 year ago
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gabrielserrato1 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb
No shit they didnt care about laws. They didnt even care about human rights, which is why they FOUGHT for SLAVERY.
It's funny. We actually agree, but you're too stupid to realize I was responding to some other Southern Fuck who claims it was legal. Either way, you are all missing chromosomes.
Yeah - somehow i CAN imagine people 1,000 miles away telling you what to do. Thats the entire idea of a federal government - an idea ALL southern states agreed to.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb
Read - thats all you have to do. I know its hard, but all of your confederate traitor asshole policymakers ARGUE SECESSION WAS ABOUT SLAVERY. It's not me - its them
of course you wont. U R 2 stupid & lazy to look beyond Southern lies that make you feel connected to an identity that is absent historic truth
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@bluegrassreb
Christ you're an idiot. Fuck you and your fat dixie wife. You lost the war because you are backwood, poorly educated assholes who couldnt stomach the idea of losing slavery.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
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@lewisclark1800
"You lost the war because you are backwood, poorly educated assholes"
You mean it had nothing to do with being outnumbered, outgunned, blockaded, and having men like Sherman killing civilians?
Damn, I need to get a new history book, then.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Yes, you DO need a new history book, one that is true, and not yankee propaganda!
sugarfoot59 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 your a retard man the rebels killed 2x as many yankees and we were out gunned out fed but we had heart!you didnt!yankees make me sick!
fakingroovin 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 the rebel soldier shouldered his musket sheathed his bowie
and turned and walked into honored legend . and all you can do
is screech insults, insult the Almighty one and cast slurs on women
and men who are morally better than you and yours . all you
can do is screech in impotant rage and wring your useless hands.
dixiewasp 1 year ago
cgnuguy the south had the same right to secede from the union that the colonies had to secede from English monarchy rule.States rights were a given at that time,a fact glossed over by revisionist historians.Slavery was only made a primary issue later in the war years to solidify the north,even though Lincoln himself believed the blacks should be removed from here and back to Africa.Hence the formation of Liberia.Oh how I wish they would have all gone.
No1HillBilly 1 year ago
@MrNokaoi56 Sorry dumb fuck -- the tax was on BRITISH IMPORTS you retard, not cotton dumb fuck.
The South hated states rights you idiot -- read the Myth of South States Rights.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
but yet they lost gettysburg and the tide was turned thus ending my story
williethebruce 1 year ago
then Lee was so infuriated he went and gave the north what they deserved- the buring of chambersburg harrisburg and they took the cavalry to destroy crops railroads bridges and every useful thing those slithering tankees could have prfited from
williethebruce 1 year ago
@williethebruce Sorry dumb ass, the North kicked your pussy ass, over 2/3 of Lee soldier's deserted him, he had to put snipers BEHIND his own troops to keep more from deserting.
See "Reading the Man" about Lee, page 410. Remember who told you, dumb fuck
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
i had 26 men from my family fight in the civil war... 1 yankee 25 rebels... the yankee got captured.. lol and none of them died in combat - we didnt fight for slavery WE FOUGHT TO SAVE OUR HOMES HERITAGE AND HONORABLE FRIENDS we never really did it for slavery - u know for the first 2 years of the war we let the yankees fight on OUR homeland and they thought pillaging and slaughtering us in our homes was how to fight the war and thus we kicked ass in bull run chatanooga and a couple others then
williethebruce 1 year ago
@williethebruce stupid fuck - if you had 25 soldiers for the CSA -- its likely 22 of them deserted. Over 2/3 of the Confederate soldiers deserted by summer of 64, according to Jeff Davis himself. And then desertions got WORSE if that's possible.
The North should have done what you fucks did to slaves who fought back - burn you to death. Then the North should have turned you fuck faces into slaves -- according to your own God.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@williethebruce
25 traitors, worthy of a syphilitic prostitute squatting over their graves and dropping juicy diarrhea on their headstones.
1 hero
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 they were violent evil fucks, that is for sure.
Only when you study their OWN words, their OWN newspapers, their OWN speeches, and their OWN actions, do you realize what thugs and lunatics and violent creeps they were.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
you all realize the Civil War was caused by Southern prospects of a legislative loss, right? it wasnt about lack of representation or invasion. It was about the fact that they couldnt muster the congressional support to guarantee the maintenance of slavery.
In short, they reacted like 4 year olds and when they couldnt win with the rules of the game, they left the playground.
By the way, the at 0:05 it says "The struggle against oppressive authority is universal and eternal."
slaves agree.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 True -- but the SOuth demanded, officially, that Lincoln SPREAD slavery to the territories. Did you know that? Read the Five ULtimatums, by the South, after Lincoln got in, but before Sumter. I will send you a link. Oddly overlooked.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@FilmCriticOne
Excellent! Thanks for the new info. Im going to look in to that more.
Finally, someone else who gets it.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
Finally, Southern whites, like your family in 1861, were vicious racist, fearing the "intermingling" of white and black races and what equality of blacks would mean for whites. They didnt own slaves? They were protecting their farms? Yeah, Ive heard it all before, but they never address the fundamental threat that equality of the races meant for people like your great grand pappy.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 "Vicious racist", I'm sure that some of the family were racists while others were devout Christians and colorblind. You don't know us and besides, your family has never descriminated against anyone? If you say no, you're only fooling yourself. I must say that I particularly like your "intermingling" comment as we did intermingle with the Cherokees and Seminoles. The European side of my family has been here since the 1700s and I am offended by your use of the word "traitors".
SamhainBe 1 year ago
@SamhainBe
1st, being a "devout Christian" has never excluded anyone from being a vicious racist. I know this. I live in VA.
2nd, "intermingle" or rape? And your claim, even if totally true, still doesn't address the blanket racism that shaped southern society for which they fought for and whose effects remain today.
3rd, your Confederate family members are traitors, by definition and the fact that 4 of 5 returned home is a ratio that is far too kind too people like yours.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 1st, you've obviously never met any true Christians and with regard to you're living in "VA", I suspect the DC suburbs of Northern Virginia which is really VA in name only - more transplants than native born.
2nd, "Rape" - somehow the marriage licenses would seem to negate your accusation. As a small boy, I knew my Seminole great grandmother and her marriage lasted 70+ years ending only with the death of my great grandfather.
3rd, needs no response. God Bless America!
SamhainBe 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800
In fairness, a lot of abolitionist were apposed to the intermingling of the races. While many of your points are fair, your assertion is that one side was dead right and one was dead wrong. That can not be said to be accurate, while it is no excuse, the North was no bastion of racial equality. White supremacy was a sign of the time in general, pinning it purely on the South is silly.
BamFor07 1 year ago
@BamFor07
Racism was rampant in the North, I never claimed otherwise. One only needs to look at the NY Draft Riots. My problem is with revisionist southerners who pretend the war was not about the protection of slavery or hold these people up as heroes. The fact is that without Northern policymakers slavery would have survived and maybe spread and this Union would be broken and as backward as any state in the south.
lewisclark1800 1 year ago
@lewisclark1800 : Slavery was being abandoned by societies in a position to take advantage of advances in technology. Machines were a lot cheaper to maintain. It's highly unlikely that slavery would have spread; if anything it was soon to be phased out. Had the CSA succeeded in repelling the Union it's likely that the South would have gone into a transitional economic crisis when slavery was being phased out but the South may have eventually recovered. Any such economic crisis would have been...
mcsaurus 1 year ago
@mcsaurus The rich plantation owners in the south were quite happy with their lives which was supported by slavery. One of the main reasons the south lost the war was because they had very little industrialization and were taking no steps to do so. years of overworking their land with the same crops made it necessary for some to move to new territories along their slaves. No one can say just how long slavery would have continued they were still picking cotton by hand long after the war right.
686204 1 year ago
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mcsaurus 1 year ago
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@686204 : Can't say I disagree with any of this.. Lee, BTW, saw the writing on the wall and felt that the South was heading into disaster no matter what the outcome of the War. He realized correctly that losing the War would greatly exacerbate the inevitable socio-economic disasters and this is why he fought so tenaciously - to buy the South time to find some least disatrous solution to its looming problems.
mcsaurus 1 year ago
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@686204 Can't say I disagree with any of this.. Lee, BTW, saw the writing on the wall and felt that the South was heading into disaster no matter what the outcome of the War. He realized correctly that losing the War would greatly exacerbate the inevitable socio-economic disasters and this is why he fought so tenaciously - to buy the South time to find some least disatrous solution to its looming problems.
mcsaurus 1 year ago
@686204 the South had all the industrialization it wanted. No one was stopping the fucks. In fact, the tariff helped the South get industrialization. THe Tredegar Iron works in Richmond were HUGE -- and the main reason the SOuth put its capital there, and had the incredibly large earth works around it, built by over 100,000 slaves.
Learn some real history.
The South has done nothing but make excuses and cover up their shit for 150 years.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@FilmCriticOne Come on man compared to the North the South had very little industrialization. It is one of the reasons they lost the war. They had an Agrarian based economy and were way behind the North in industrialization.
686204 1 year ago
@686204 That's the myth. The South has screamed that shit for 150 years. Sure the South had LESS than the North, but the Tredegar Iron works were immense. They built 1100 cannon there during the war. DId you know that? Where the fuck do you think the South got all the weapons, cannon, ammo, that they had? Magic?
The South actually started out with MORE supplies, MORE men, and more weapons than the North. A little tid bit they forget to tell you.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago