@EuanMan13 There is apparently records kept by the Romans of the time that mention Christ, it's not overly flattering what has been written about him, but it is there. But whether or not you can use it as confirmation of Jesus being the son of God is another matter.
@TheDarvus I don't recall any ancient Biblical scripts being written in Italian. But I do recall ancient manuscripts in the thousands ( some partials) but more in number than any on earth. More, as written language with an alphabit the Hebrew manuscripts are clearly Biblical documented History. I don't actually give a hoot what devilish liar you find with a book that tries to discredit actual real History to achieve an agenda of unrighteous denial. What are you trying to achieve here?
@TheDarvus What you and I have incommon is we sit in the same jury box. Our difference is obvious...my verdict on evidence presented is to place my faith in Jesus. While your faith is in who....? josephus. I suggest an inventory of your cognitive faculties but hey...you like josephus better you heard the evidence from your seat in the jury box just like every body else. Run with that Forest...run.
@TheDarvus I'm fully persuaded to hold my faith in Jesus. If your are not nor will you ever be I don't think we have any reason to discuss Jesus or Biblical history. I know your position its worth nothing to me. Our time is being wasted here.
@TheDarvus Your refering to a short but early on laundry list of "phrasiology" that has been recognised as Biblical.
Today that same laundry list is still pilling up. Its common for a writer to "use" an idea specific to Biblical phrases or wording. Biblical influence has elements that have appeared in other writings through-out history since the first form of written language began. Which is also Biblical. Look hold tothe historical sources you want I'm staying with Jesus.
@TheDarvus I'm not going to impress you with names places and dates that are copiously documented which overwhelmingly substantiate the validity of historical christiandom. A christian history that begins with Jesus. These tiny bites offer no chance of that. The epic journey of life that Jesus took to the cross and spared not his own life is no fairy tale. As our journey of life to death is no fairy tale either. While you have the chance try and discover life.
@TheDarvus I meant to type "full" of biased not fool of biased. But atheists always have an no holds barred agenda, and don't have to tell the truth if they don't feel like it....what are you going to do call an atheist a liar...big deal....accuse an atheist of bias....again, what ever. Thats no fairy tale cupcake.
@TheDarvus Your accusation is huff n puff. Atheists write books fool of biased and manipulated half truths. Just to call it like it is they lie to prove outlandish speculations. Mostly though I don't care what you think. The irony here is the one who does care...you mock....Jesus.
The book of mormon is a novel, there is nothing in the Book of mormon that resembles Mayan culture. .. different metals , weapons, language, animals. There is not a parallel let alone evidence. Post DNA Mormon Apology has Lehi arriving to a populated Mayan culture around 600 B.C . Mayans originating in the Yucatan around 2600 B.C....
The bible being historically accurate or not isn't proof for the big joke, which is the existence of god. The difference between the book of Joseph Smith and the bible is that one is historically accurate and the other is not.
@TheDarvus The gospels evolved and were edited, redacted and even have some interpolations and glosses before that took the shape of what we read today. The original Jesus movement was Jewish and it was a set back when Jesus got into trouble and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. They weren't expecting that. go to wwwdotearlychristianwritingsdotcom/loisy2/chapter7dothtml and read how Dr. Loisy shows what parts of John's gospel are the original/oldest layer & where the many glosses&interpolations r
@boblackey1 Your mentors make up a vocabulary list and sail it 2000 years into the past. Then deliberate on history as if it includes your time traveling vocabulary. No jumping to conclusions for you. Do you have an actual library list of history books on this subject? There are tens of thousands of history books in print many dating back B.C. and many 1st century A.D. by actual historians documenting Israel Jerusalem and Jesus. you are too funny to be taken seriously.
@TheWingwind My so-called mentors happen to be the best NT scholars and authorities on Christian origins in the world. Many here in the US and many in Europe. I would suggest Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Corrson, Marques Borg or many of the the other Phd level scholars woking today. Also there is "Who Wrote the New Testament: The Making of the Christian Myth" by Burton L. Mack, Phd. There is the website wwwdotjosephusdotorg which is the best "Josephus" site on the internet. You're fooling with nuts
@TheDarvus Almost all critical/skeptical scholars I have in my library (Dr. Ehrman, Dr. Mack, Dr. Tabor, Dr. Crosson, Dr. White, Dr. Edwards, etc) hold that the historical Jesus was a Jew and a first century teacher who probably at onetime was a follower of John the Baptist. Our Jesus believed he was the Messiah but not divine and could only win if God worked a miracle for him. He taught and a few of his authentic sayings are IN the gospels with the rest being later legends and myths.
@TheDarvus I just googled "was josephus paul" and got nothing! I'm not trying to make fun of you or act as if I know it all or be mean. I'm a nice guy! I just can't believe there is a serious scholar out there who holds Paul didn't exist and was actually Josephus. If you want a pretty good book on the origin of the New Testament, try "Who Wrote the New Testament, The Making of the Christian Myth" by Burton L. Mack, Phd. Mack is NOT a Christian but is an expert on the NT and "Q" as an agnostic.
@TheDarvus How can anyone be sure Josephus was Josephus? Is your view that Paul was actually Josephus a private view or do you have a scholar/historian who also holds that view? I know of NO scholars/experts who hold that view. So yes that is new to me and I find it impossible to hold. I am interested in the origins of Christianity and look around and buy books regularly. But I have yet to run across ANY expert on the origin of the New Testament and Christianity who finds Josephus&Paul the same.
@TheDarvus Here is a good paper on who Paul may have been. It is by a Jew who is an expert on Judaism, Hyam Maccoby, Phd. wwwdotsullivan-countydotcom/id2/paul_problemdothtm and wwwdotsullivan-countydotcom/id3/paul_problemdothtm I spelled out dot because you can't post a webpage here. Also why would Paul be in the historical record BEFORE he wrote a letter or founded a church? Paul's letters were distributed to Christians and copied over and over as more wanted copies. Also some are forgeries!
@TheDarvus What puzzles me is your position that the Apostle Paul was actually Joesphus!!! Did you develop that yourself or is it in a scholarly work? I know of NO critical/agnostic/atheist scholars and historians who hold such a position. Indeed there are enough books on Paul to fill an entire section of a library. The most doubting/critical/angostic scholars continue to hold that Paul actually wrote about 7 of his 13 New Testament letters beginning about 50 AD. Paul was actually Josephus???
@TheDarvus No it is clear that we have only ONE Jesus as the character on which the stories that developed into Christianity were attatched. Born probably in the fall between 4 and 7 BC and was executed by orders of Ponitus Pilate about 30 AD. According to dozens of skeptical scholars, a few of his authentic sayings are found in the New Testament. Try wwwdotjosephusdotorg and click on the many links about the TF and find the best view of what Josephus wrote about the Jesus of the gospels.
@TheDarvus Again I have books here by many skeptical/agnostic/atheist New Testament scholars and historians and NONE hold Josephus was Paul!!! NONE!!! Where did you get such a weird idea. It is certainly not held by any experts I know! This expert on Judaism, Hyam Maccoby, Phd has an interesting take on Paul but yet holds Paul was Paul, NOT Josephus! wwwdotsullivan-county/id3/paul_problem.htm. All the skeptical scholars I have hold Jesus did live except Robert Price, Phd who doubts Jesus lived.
@TheDarvus Josephus was Paul??? How did you come up with that?? I've got books here written by all kinds of critical/skeptical/agnostic/atheist New Testament scholars and historians and nobody holds that position. The find about SIX of Paul's letters to be forgeries but about SEVEN (the number changes slightly with some of them) of Paul's letters to have been ACTUALLY WRITTEN BY PAUL.& there is good evidence the oldest layer of the gospels& Q present a real Jesus who lived&taught but not divine.
Joseph Smith, a trickster of his time: he worked with a divining rod to find treasure and water because he didn't want to work his farm. His own wife wouldn't become a Mormon. He was being chased by many women and then, Lo and behold> god told him to take on the wives of his own elders in his church???? Give me a break
What book is this that's supposedly mentioned in the Bible? What distant land, and what far away nation?
Yeah, go to mormon.org, where I'll find all the evidence one could hope to want for the Tooth Fairy. And while there, I'll check out the Easter Bunny page, too. I'm told it's REALLY convincing...
You doubtless think NORAD *really* tracks Santa Claus every Christmas Eve.
That's like asking an encyclopedia salesman if you need a set of encyclopedias.
The problem is there was no "Nazareth" in ancient times, and the modern site is likely NOT from ancient times, because there is no archeological evidence.
Mormonism, the Eternal Presence of an Absence. Nothing is always before us and we are asked to believe the word of a liar and accept the lack of evidence as a requirement of faith for and in Mormonism
Also for those who don't believe the Bible has no record of the Book of Mormon haven't read it enough. There is mention of a book coming from a distant land that holds the evidence of a far away nation. The people of Isreal were scattered across Asia, so why can't they have reached America? Also if you go to Mormon.org they can tell you a lot more on the Book of Mormon and its relation to the Bible. By the way Daisy65ful, if we are Children of God can't we have his same power?
"The people of Isreal (sic) were scattered across Asia, so why can't they have reached America?"
The problem is that DNA evidence clearly shows that Asiatic Mongolians were the people who migrated across the Bering Straits. There are plentiful archaeological remains to support that migration. There is no credible evidence to support your claims.
According to the Book of Mormon the Lamanites were a traitories people that would usually kill each other for gain. If you kill the blacksmith without learning his trade then you tend to destroy the thing that you are trying to make and the metal is destroyed into pieces and blown across the world in the wind. Also yoiu are looking for something in a area where metal was a tool so weapons were regulary destroyed to make more TOOLS to help with the farming. I mean that what we do today right???
YOU ARE BLIND AND IGNORANT!!! I fyou read the bible and the Book of Mormon you find a ton of reason why there is no archaeological evidence. You also can find a general area where the locations of the cities are. Now the reason you can't find the weapons or the bones of the battles. Native Americans, or Lamanites as the Mormons call them, have used bones for tools for centries for tools and weapons, and the skill to use metal can always be forgotten and the sword and tools of old destroyed.
There are some interesting facts these gentelman either simply ignored or I guess simply missed. Reading the logs of Captain Cook brings forth some interesting information. I believe in time the Book of Mormon will become more recognised as a true historic account rather than a work of fiction as some might suggest. Anthropoligist have accepted the one race theory but evidence shows this is flawed, that theory has swamped fact and the thruth is not getting the attention it should recieve.
I fully agree with macaron28. some of the so called scriptures are molded after the bible, and changed and formed over 100 years, where the bible has not changed, knowing the fact that we can see the dead sea scrolls. we can see the manuscript evidence and the manuscript evidence has proven the bible to be the correct book.
with the book of mormon can we see the plates? No.
I find it funny how they only allow Protestant scholars to be interviewed. If this documentary were worth anything, it would let Mormon scholars speak for themselves and articulate their beliefs rather than allow people at conflict with Mormon theology to say, "this is what they believe and this is why it's wrong."
Oh yes, considering there was always a civilized nation occupying the Middle East and the fact that the Lamanites became a desolated and loathesome people at the end of it also that the Book of Mormon most likely took place in Mexico, were the Aztec Empire was and the Hill Cumorah in Palmyra is a different place then the one in Mexico because Moroni survived the battle and wandered for forty years in the wilderness he would bury the plates at the same hill, be real.
@MrBigbear6718 Has archeology proven that Christ died for our sins? No, but we still believe it to be true. Likewise, the scandal of Mormonism is that, regardless of archeology, we know it to be true.
Obviously, and I already knew this just by reading a few pages of this BOOK OF GARBAGE, that JOSEPH SMITH was nothing but a CON MAN. Anyone who believes in the junk from MAMONISM, is a fool, a total idiot.
@macaron28 Joeseph Smith was a TRUE Prophet of God,and i Testify to you that the book of mormon is TRUE,and i know that,just as 14.000.000 other members,through the Holy Ghost!!!
@mugwamp4 Not quite, mugwamp!! I'm not a Christian, I see that The Bible is FAR from infallible, but there are clearly scientific evidences to support certain parts of The Bible, including the Crucifixion, and the story of the Bethlehem Star.... Interestingly enough, NONE of those evidences support any parts of The Bible which are focused upon empowering the few to reign over the masses.
It's all a lie, The Book of Mormon..and I was a Mormon at one time many years ago. Although Mormons have strong family values, (which is what they use to lure people in) they are a cult. Mormons believe and are taught that the more they bring in to their religion, the more powerful they will be in Heaven. They teach of a power that is equal to God...sorry guys, you can't be more powerful than your creator.
@Daisy65ful Your post is so foolish that it requires a response regardless of the fact that you wrote this about a year ago. First, I agree, Mormons do have strong family values. However, this is not used to "lure" people in. It is taught in equal measure with every other foundational precept of the religion; first and foremost however, when missionaries teach people, they teach them to pray and ask for themselves. Second, I bet you don't even know the definition of the word cult.
@Daisy65ful If you can't define cult without looking it up, don't use the word. If you were to use the dictionary definition of the word "cult" then every religion, besides Catholicism, is a cult. Third, Mormons do not believe, nor are they taught, that the more people they bring into the religion the more powerful they become in Heaven. That is not, nor has it ever been, doctrine of the church. Finally, the church also does not teach that people can be as powerful as God the Father.
@Daisy65ful Not only does the church NOT teach that people can become equal to God the Father, you contradicted your own argument when you said: "They teach of a power that is equal to God...sorry guys, you can't be more powerful than your creator." So which is it? Equal to or greater than? You can't have it both ways, and even if you could, the church doesn't teach that people can become equal to God, let alone greater than God.
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Gian Giorgio Trissino (1478-1550) Was the first to explicitly distinguish the letter "i" and "J" as representing separate sounds and therefore the letter "J" didnt even EXIST Untill the 1600's, Just a lil Critical-Thinking for you Christians. Therefore this jesus dude never walked on water, never was born from a virgin, which is IMPOSSIBLE, and last but not least, never flew into the sky in his same body(flesh). There is no Archaeological or Historical Evidence 4 that Claim.....PERIOD!
wow buddy... so because the letter J was pronounced differently back then then Jesus never existed... if you like I can give you a list of secular (non-christian) authors that would actually argue differently. Excellent logic btw
@TheMelloKey jesus is the english name for 'yeshua' which is hebrew and the real name jesus would have went by but other than showing huge ignorance of the subject your trying to claim you know all about, your reasoning of jesus didn't exist because the letter J didn't exist is really silly as you would know that english didn't even exist never mind the letter J.
What happened to your lil' critical thinking that time?
God loves humanity and has been speaking to humanity for since the beginning of time,..but they could not understand what God was speaking to them and created many false versions of God, and gods, until God came inside His Only SOn and spoke to humanity through Him, Jesus. This explains ALL of the similiar ancient ideas, .and..Nature points to God, the SUN (SON) is our ONLY Light, something daily must die (my food) for me to live...birth of a child that must be taught by experince in world,. Etc
@razumfrackle Commone sense would be a good start. Until people wake up and see that religion is man made and stop believing in the spagetti monster when there is NO evidence to support there supernatural monster.
faith is not what religion you belong...but how you as a person love others as brothers and sisters,,,coz that what the bible says,,,choose the right!
the american phrase "selling a vacuum cleaner", can best describe the religion, all religions.
when you buy a religion, you are buying a vacuum cleaner.
as the salesman of vacuum cleaner told tall tales to the housewives to make them buy vacuum cleaners in early 1920s, the preachers tell the tall tales to sell their dark idealogy of religion.
With your world-view you will die suffering and without hope....Cry out to GOD yourself, who created you and loves you,... earnestly SEEK HIM, He loves you, and will reveal Himself to you IF YOU LET HIM. ....This is really ALL of us are responsible to do in God's Sight, .....religions, and scriptures in all religions have been used by (and corrupted by) satan/devils/evil principalities (your enemies all around you) to abuse and manipulate people,...GOD knows how to reveal Himself to you
before moses suppposidly existed, other cultures had the same stories over the world about him and jesus etc.the names were difrent, but the stories almost the same. so what does that mean? pictures and text also suggests they had technology. i say dont believe the media including the hostory, geographical and news channels and such.live your life, dont be dictated to on what you should or shouldnt do, or say youre not good enuf for your dreams.the past is past.
I love Jesus. I also love how he spent 40 days and 40 nights inside a whale's stomach as a protest to Moses. What was Moses thinking to criticise the Hussites for attacking the Memonites?!
According to the theological definition of the term,
a cult is a group that denies essential biblical doctrine while claiming to be Christian or in harmony with true Christianity. While mormons claim to be members of the one true christian church, they deny historic and essential Christian doctrines. Therefore, evangelical Christians do indeed consider it a cult of christianity.
So as there is no proof, not one of the places can be found according to Joseph Smith.... that means Mormon is totaly FALSE !!! This again proves to me that if Mormonism is false, becaus it was written by Joseph Smith himself, how can you say the Bible is the true book, that Christianity is a true religion? I don't believe it.
such filthy communicationbornagainunbeliever. If you are so at piece with your anti Christianity then why don't you just stop cursing and attacking others? Seems sin has you miserable!
Just to add to my last post... since you're 99% full of shit and don't have any more room left to fit in the normal 60% quota of water, you yourself are additional, living proof your 'earth-to-human water mass ratio' theory is ridiculous :-)
And after making a public idiot of yourself once again, do you wonder if I "toss everything you say in the bullshit file"?
That's laughable, are you sure you went to school? The reference is to parallel that subjects no matter how large are supportable by smaller counterparts in relative symbiosis which each have corresponding similarities to their much larger counterparts. Hence why Dinosaurs are all but extinct. We are parallel with our environment; something happens to the earth enough to affect present conditions we are also affected. So i guess I am pretty dumb.... Gee what was i thinking!?
Just what do they mean by "the Bible" here? Most people take this to mean the New Testament, don't they? (indicating their infallible god couldn't see into the future when he wrote the old testament, and later had to release the more palatable Bible v.2).
Well, if the new testament contains 7,959 verses, to get 25,000 biblical "proofs" every single VERSE needs to contain an average 3+ of them. A classic case of "Lies, damn lies and statistics" I'd say...
You attack the Bible and yet do you have any explination of where your proof is? Alright lets say your right and we made a mistake, thats still 7,959 proofs to your still 0. Anything at all? I'd love to hear your defense and not just your attacks :).
Ooops... Forgot to challenge the opening statement of this video that "only one can be the true word of God" (when comparing the Bible against the Book of Mormon).
The speaker conveniently overlooks another possibility -- that BOTH of them might be works of pure fiction! Using one fairlytale to disprove another would be laughable if it weren't so mentally disturbed :-(
My money is on Ganesha as the one-and-only true deity (that's the dude with the body of a man and head of an elephant).
The fact that Bethlehem and Jerusalem can be found on the map no more proves the truth of the Bible than the fact that there are several "Sunderland's" in the world (where Alice in Wonderland supposedly came from) is proof she existed either.
Religion is just a 'mind virus' and Jesus is no more real than the deities Ganesha, Thor, Zeus or Ra are real. Hopefully, 50 years from now there'll be a vaccination against this schizophrenia...
Oh, and furthermore on the subject of artifacts: Many people try and discredit the Book of Mormon by saying "There was no such thing as steel and it talks about steel!" Well then. I guess it's time to put what these critics consider valid scripture to the test:
I wish there were enough room on this fucking thing to slap you in the coconut with the unmistakable evidence that MORMONISM is bullshit! American Natives DID NOT HAVE MEANS TO EXCAVATE OR MELT STEEL. Of course the bible talks about it because the had the technology. Moroni's father "fashioned" from what they had including swords one in particular the Scemeter but he uses the word "swords" in the same sentence as if they were separate... but absolutely no physical evidence of any of it I wonder?
4. Named animals in the Americas: BoM mentions elephants and horses and stuff. It takes one angry God to wipe out entire species. Also, what have we found frozen up north? Big wooly... elephants?
5. Wanna know why Biblical sites have retained their names? Because that nation was never cursed to be a wild people.
In conclusion... No scripture has ever said "Have faith according to how much historical evidence ye find." That would, of course, be bogus. This argument has no ground to stand on.
I can never understand this argument (and the DNA argument).
1. Stop discounting the Aztecs, Mayans, etc. They were here, their cities existed, the people existed. It counts.
2. Artifacts? People are finding ancient arrowheads and knives in America all the time.
3. Geography: the Book of Mormon states that at the death of Christ, the very landscape was readjusted. Valleys made into mountains and stuff. Do that to today's America and no one would even believe today's maps as authentic.
Such hypocrites, they shud apply their own logic to their own religion. Start with the historical evidence for Jesus. Hmmm, wait, if they had done that they wud find their IS NONE!!!
They found plenty of evidence you fucking moron, pick up a book before opening you stupid yap you sheep molesting fascist bitch! While you're at it simpleton pick up some hooked on phonics you white supremacist Jack-ass! a SCHOLAR you are NOT. In fact; do the world a favor and go choke on something, i see the Darwin Award in your bleak future... Someone should slap you Momma your so fucking dumb this world has enough dumb-asses; please kill yourself, you white piece of fucktarded dog shit!!
@ lividmachine: You're so fucked in the head you don't realise I'm saying its ALL bullshit, do you? Atheists don't need to say a word to disprove religion - just sit back and let ass-wipes like you show the entire world what dickheads you are. Go see a shrink!.
As for evidence, just ONE example will do for me (other than "The bible mentions Jerusalem and its on the map, so that proves it").
What evidence do you need? Anything I say you'll just toss in the bullshit file... OK, I'm assuming you believe in Darwin -If the earth is as old as science says and granted earth has been through countless changes; why is it that man shares the same water to mass ratio as the earth? Life according to evolution comes from the water, but no other animal shares this similarity. As for geological evidence the bible mention a good portion of the middle east not just Jerusalem. PICK UP A BOOK!
Why does man share the same water to mass ratio as earth? Do you get your scientific 'facts' from Benny Hinn TV broadcasts?
Of the earth's total MASS, only 0.023% is water (see 'Ocean' page of Wikipedia)! And even if you were thinking surface AREA, the earth's 71% still doesn't equal the water MASS of the human body -- an average 60% for males and 55% for females (see 'Body Water' page of Wikipedia).
Let me help you here (you clearly fucking need it): 0.023% mass < 60% mass. GET A BRAIN!
Historical evidence? Well some argue that there is no historical evidence of Jesus Christ, so does that make the Bible not true either? but that doesn't fit the mold does it? to me the Bible is the word of God as it is translated correctly. The Book of mormon is also the word of God as well. Why do Chrisitians attack other Christians? How is Christiantity to survive while so many so called Christians cannabalize other believers?
Fellow Mormons please learn your own history, not that given to you by faith but actual and real truthful history. All faiths believe they are correct in general, what seperates Mormons currently is the amount of evidence clearly refuting Mormonsims claims. Take the white statues of JS off the mantel for just a day and search out the truth from your very own Church historical records.
Characters that were traced from the record Joseph was translating from were also confirmed by scholars of the day that they were true ancient characters. The Book of Mormon has changed the lives of millions. Who cares if we don't know the exact locations of events. i have FAITH that the B of M is true. The Spirit of God has witnessed it to me countless times. What greater witness can you have than that from God? The B of M is true. Read it, test the Lord, and find out for yourself.
Confirmed by Mormon scholars!! Sure, as we all know, Smithsonian and National Geographic Society have all come out on record, stating that the "characters" on the "golden plates" which were mysteriously toted back to heaven were all authentic, and prove The Book of Mormon to be true!!
Smithsonian can now use The Book of Mormon as a research tool, as it has done with The Bible!!
There are evidences of the truth of the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed he found the record in a stone box and described what it looked like. It wasn't until recently that we have discovered other records kept in a similar way. How would he have known to say it was in a stone box? Also, the Book of Mormon is written in an ancient writing style of chiasmus, and has some of the most correct examples of this found anywhere. Joseph could have never known this with his limited education.
The book of Mormon is the word of God and another testament of Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith only had like a third grade education. Even if there was archeological proof you wouldn't believe it. Seeing is believing to you. But it's supposed to be believing is seeing. A blind man knows the sun rises.He knows because he feels. Don't always trust your eyes.Read it and pray to know if it is true. What proof do you have that it is not true. If you have a problem with it deal with it. read Isaiah 29
The funny thing is that the video and most detractors refer to the Book of Mormon as "Joseph Smith's writings" when he didn't write a word of it. It is well known that he was an uneducated boy with a 5th grade education. Additionally, author-authentication software and research has consistently ruled him out as a possible author of the book... that's why the Solomon Spaulding and Oliver Cowdrey theories exist.
"Liv" & "Dfw" - The Bible is not the BoM. It is the most translated book in the world. Do you know all the differences in the over 2400 translations? Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshu. From Joshua, His original name is Hoshea, "Salvation" (Num.13:8); but Moses evidently changes it to Yehoshua, "Yahweh (Jehovah) is Salvation" (Num.13:16, and from the BoM, 2Nephi 9:133, MORONI 10:31). He is also called Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshua. This is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek name "Iesous" (Jesus).
The Original Book of Mormon (not current LDS versions), does not and never has, superseded the Bible. It is just a continuing book of History and a further affirmation of Jesus Christ.
So what about the article of faith that says "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the BOM to be the word of God."
Or:
"I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book"
It truly troubles me that you are that BLIND. Gal. 1:6 warns us (us- meaning actual Christians) about YOU and anyone like YOU. Let me give you food for thought "deacon" If JS received an actual proclamation of Jesus visiting America then why in your Bible it never says Jesus in Hebrew? The name "Jesus" was/is a Roman translation, and what of God/ His real name isn't mentioned either... If Moroni was a Hebrew he wouldn't have called him "Jesus" either. Think about it?
No use using that section of Galatians against Mormons. After all, Mormons believe they have the restored Gospel meaning those men who came to pervert the Gospel have come and gone and current Christianity is the result. Mormons have merely put it back in order.
Moroni would call Jesus whatever name he was prompted to call him. After all, he could rest assured no Nephite named Mary is going to go around naming her kid Jesus falsely because Moroni also testifies of the birth place.
They're all crazy! You can still tell a myth that takes place in a real place(as in the Bible). You can't prove the places in the Book of Mormon didn't exist, you simply come to the conclusion that they didn't based on probability. I do the same when I come to the conclusion that they are both wrong.
I'd rather read my ABCs than read the nonsense Joseph Smith wrote, and he had the ridiculous audacity to call it another testament of God's word. The book was not even thought out. The Koran is a false book too but it is a WHOLE LOT more convincing logical and historically reasonable than the book of Mormon. Jesus said you cannot have 2 masters. All you worshippers of Joseph Smith are NOT worshippers of Christ nor are you the children of God, but rather of Satan. Repent!
"I'd rather read my ABCs than read the nonsense Joseph Smith wrote, and he had the ridiculous audacity to call it another testament of God's word. The book was not even thought out. The Koran is a false book too but it is a WHOLE LOT more convincing logical and historically reasonable than the book of Mormon. "
Have you read either? Doubt it. Doubt you've read the bible either.
I don't blame you for talking all this nonsense. If I were you, I'll be mad too. But at the same time, even if you hate me for it, I will continue to push you as far away as I can from the cult of the LDS. And are you kidding? I read my bible mr man. I am actually KNOWLEGDABLE of the truth that sets free and that is why I am free. You call god's word a lie and call the word of some Joseph man truth. No wonder you are so angry and lack any fruits of righteousness or the Holy Spirit. Continued...
continuation: Joseph Smith along with all other antichrists and false Christs that have come before him and will come after him, will all bow at the feet of Jesus and confess that He is Lord, and they will be banished away to uttermost suffering for eternity. You need to ask God for yourself to reveal Himself to you. Let Him prove to you that LDS is true OR let Him prove to you that my words are true. I am intelligent enough to know what it means for anyone like you to die lost: a horror untold
I testify that all the gainsayers and naysayers and critics of Joseph Smith, will do nothing to diminish Joseph's prophetic calling as a prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ....I testify that Lucifer is the puppet master giving marching orders behind the scenes to all those vainly striving to undermine the Prophetic mantle of Joseph and thus, the authenticity and authority of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...unless repentance occurrs, all of you will fail to fulfill ur own creation
I know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that we all existed before being born in the flesh; I have perfect knowledge of this fact through heavenly revelation at 8 yrs of age; although this is attested to in many bible verses, until Christ revealed it anew to Joseph Smith, no church recognized this fact (let alone taught it)--which is yet another evidence of the great Apostacy and lack of priesthood keys in Christendom; On this teaching alone I certify Joseph Smith as a true Prophet of God.
I am glad you liked it....I have been through hell and back because I was baptized and went on a mission and continue to testify of the BOM and the Restoration Prophet of Jesus Christ....31 yrs later.....yet I am being sustained by Christ in so doing. Planting seeds by inviting people to attend church with me, and giving out BOM's gives me joy...keep the faith brother....
as a Catholic boy of 8, I testify that I had a revelation from God that I existed before being born, and no one can convince me it was not of God. At 14, without a First Vision to assist me, I firmly (and accurately) concluded Catholicism/Protestantism were man made (and became a atheist)..but never forgot my revelation about pre-mortal existance...at 20, true messengers of God (LDS missionaries) taught me of Joseph's teachings on the pre-mortal life; I am a living witness of Joseph as prophet
I don't know why I wasted my time with this crap. Very unconvincing argument. The bible and the Book of Mormon are true. Faith in Christ is the first principle of the gospel. No evidence needed for me. Even if Jeruselum didn't exist I would still believe in Jesus!
Really? Last I heard there is no proof of Israelites exodus but I am pretty sure it happened and they existed do now exist and will be gathered as a whole people. Moreover faith is the key not proof therefor I accept the bible and the book of Mormon on the spiritual evidence that gives me faith. Last but not least why do they expend so much energy attacking Mormonism when there are distinct differences between baptist and Pentecostals which one of those are true? You say only one truth exists.
That's like saying Baptists are Doctor killing home grown terrorists or Catholics are child molesters and so on. There are troubled groups in all religions.
The difference between baptise and pentacostals is an interfaith issue. They both are unified in the essentials of orhodox christianity...the issue they have between them are secondary in nature...this is not true with Mormonism...I can have christian fellowship with with a Baptist aswell as a pentacostal....it's moot issue
and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God......
And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."
"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD.""Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us... "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."
"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"
"JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US."."GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."
The ruins shown at 1:48 in the video is the temple in Arad. Funny thing about that is that when the Book of Mormon was written it was mocked because the book mentioned temples outside Jerusalem. "No jew would build a temple outside of Jerusalem" was the argument. There are at least three temples outside Jerusalem that are now known. This is one of them, it's NOT mentioned in the Bible!!!
The opening statements of this video are a sham. The Book of Mormon is not the word of Joseph Smith, it is the word of God. The Bible declares that more scripture will come forth. Maybe, just maybe it has... If there were Prophets of God in the Bible why not now in our time? Why does it have to be on someone elses watch?
This video is BS, there are archeological artifacts all over North and South America like what is described in the Book of Mormon. This video is aimed at ignorant people like the one that addressed me asking for evidence.
I am not trying to discern you..... I am not ignorant Im asking for help if you can do nothing else but reply with insults then you are unreliable as a person...I was seeking some information in honesty. . .I was hoping you could give me a site to where I could find archeological information... I appoligize if i have offended you...PS information and evidence are two different things
I gave evidence not opinion. If you are serious about finding out it is a simple task. Just know that there is more people out there trying to disuade people from finding the truth then there is trying to help. This video is a perfect example. The evidence is there... you can find it! I have given you one example to start with. One question... if it is such a big fat lie, why does so many people spend their every moment trying to disprove it? If it was false nobody would care!
never said it was opinion you forget that there are people trying to find the truth & not just trying to attack you & in that absence you discredit yourself yes I know that there are many that disuade others from the truth or in finding answers, I am not trying to disprove it I am trying to find the truth Ans. you could also argue that if it was false then people would not want others to be put in harms way, thats why the effort, but for the most part people attack things they do not understand.
What harms way? How does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints hurt anybody or put them in harms way? The humanitarian aid alone that they put out should be enough to prove that. Check out that information.
talk to the ones that are so busy trying to disprove LDS....How am I suppose to know that answer when I asked for help on finding information in the 1st place? and I said one could argue....not that it was the case PS.. the humanitarian aid is very impressive...thanks for the help Peace out
You only make yourself look like an idiot when you write crap like what you did Outlaw1257. The evidence is there... her's one little example... ever hear of a place called Nahom? It's told about in the early chapters of the Book of Mormon. The book and Joseph Smith were mocked because of this and many other points. Well now this city has been found in Yemen. The name Nahom is all over the ruins.
Outlaw1257, you and the mongrols in this video have no ground to stand on anymore proof is there.
there is not evidence for even the existence of Jesus, let alone that the crazies who believe in mormonism
EuanMan13 1 month ago
@EuanMan13 There is apparently records kept by the Romans of the time that mention Christ, it's not overly flattering what has been written about him, but it is there. But whether or not you can use it as confirmation of Jesus being the son of God is another matter.
tattoodfreeek 3 weeks ago
It breaks my heart that people beloeve in mormonism
newcreationmusic 2 months ago
@TheDarvus I don't recall any ancient Biblical scripts being written in Italian. But I do recall ancient manuscripts in the thousands ( some partials) but more in number than any on earth. More, as written language with an alphabit the Hebrew manuscripts are clearly Biblical documented History. I don't actually give a hoot what devilish liar you find with a book that tries to discredit actual real History to achieve an agenda of unrighteous denial. What are you trying to achieve here?
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus.... And all too obviously for me. Maybe search for source of your impaired judgement.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus What you and I have incommon is we sit in the same jury box. Our difference is obvious...my verdict on evidence presented is to place my faith in Jesus. While your faith is in who....? josephus. I suggest an inventory of your cognitive faculties but hey...you like josephus better you heard the evidence from your seat in the jury box just like every body else. Run with that Forest...run.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus I'm fully persuaded to hold my faith in Jesus. If your are not nor will you ever be I don't think we have any reason to discuss Jesus or Biblical history. I know your position its worth nothing to me. Our time is being wasted here.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus Your refering to a short but early on laundry list of "phrasiology" that has been recognised as Biblical.
Today that same laundry list is still pilling up. Its common for a writer to "use" an idea specific to Biblical phrases or wording. Biblical influence has elements that have appeared in other writings through-out history since the first form of written language began. Which is also Biblical. Look hold tothe historical sources you want I'm staying with Jesus.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus I'm not going to impress you with names places and dates that are copiously documented which overwhelmingly substantiate the validity of historical christiandom. A christian history that begins with Jesus. These tiny bites offer no chance of that. The epic journey of life that Jesus took to the cross and spared not his own life is no fairy tale. As our journey of life to death is no fairy tale either. While you have the chance try and discover life.
Jesus said "I AM the LIFE"
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus I meant to type "full" of biased not fool of biased. But atheists always have an no holds barred agenda, and don't have to tell the truth if they don't feel like it....what are you going to do call an atheist a liar...big deal....accuse an atheist of bias....again, what ever. Thats no fairy tale cupcake.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus Your accusation is huff n puff. Atheists write books fool of biased and manipulated half truths. Just to call it like it is they lie to prove outlandish speculations. Mostly though I don't care what you think. The irony here is the one who does care...you mock....Jesus.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus Like the idea that the history of your life is full of facts but means "nothing"? Just a question...
TheWingwind 6 months ago
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The book of mormon is a novel, there is nothing in the Book of mormon that resembles Mayan culture. .. different metals , weapons, language, animals. There is not a parallel let alone evidence. Post DNA Mormon Apology has Lehi arriving to a populated Mayan culture around 600 B.C . Mayans originating in the Yucatan around 2600 B.C....
kramd1 6 months ago
@TheDarvus I couldn't agree more.
Davidbasque15 7 months ago
The bible being historically accurate or not isn't proof for the big joke, which is the existence of god. The difference between the book of Joseph Smith and the bible is that one is historically accurate and the other is not.
Davidbasque15 8 months ago
@TheDarvus The gospels evolved and were edited, redacted and even have some interpolations and glosses before that took the shape of what we read today. The original Jesus movement was Jewish and it was a set back when Jesus got into trouble and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. They weren't expecting that. go to wwwdotearlychristianwritingsdotcom/loisy2/chapter7dothtml and read how Dr. Loisy shows what parts of John's gospel are the original/oldest layer & where the many glosses&interpolations r
boblackey1 8 months ago
@boblackey1 Your mentors make up a vocabulary list and sail it 2000 years into the past. Then deliberate on history as if it includes your time traveling vocabulary. No jumping to conclusions for you. Do you have an actual library list of history books on this subject? There are tens of thousands of history books in print many dating back B.C. and many 1st century A.D. by actual historians documenting Israel Jerusalem and Jesus. you are too funny to be taken seriously.
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheWingwind My so-called mentors happen to be the best NT scholars and authorities on Christian origins in the world. Many here in the US and many in Europe. I would suggest Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Corrson, Marques Borg or many of the the other Phd level scholars woking today. Also there is "Who Wrote the New Testament: The Making of the Christian Myth" by Burton L. Mack, Phd. There is the website wwwdotjosephusdotorg which is the best "Josephus" site on the internet. You're fooling with nuts
boblackey1 6 months ago
@boblackey1 Sorry...( was directed to thedarvus)
TheWingwind 6 months ago
@TheDarvus Almost all critical/skeptical scholars I have in my library (Dr. Ehrman, Dr. Mack, Dr. Tabor, Dr. Crosson, Dr. White, Dr. Edwards, etc) hold that the historical Jesus was a Jew and a first century teacher who probably at onetime was a follower of John the Baptist. Our Jesus believed he was the Messiah but not divine and could only win if God worked a miracle for him. He taught and a few of his authentic sayings are IN the gospels with the rest being later legends and myths.
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus I just googled "was josephus paul" and got nothing! I'm not trying to make fun of you or act as if I know it all or be mean. I'm a nice guy! I just can't believe there is a serious scholar out there who holds Paul didn't exist and was actually Josephus. If you want a pretty good book on the origin of the New Testament, try "Who Wrote the New Testament, The Making of the Christian Myth" by Burton L. Mack, Phd. Mack is NOT a Christian but is an expert on the NT and "Q" as an agnostic.
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus How can anyone be sure Josephus was Josephus? Is your view that Paul was actually Josephus a private view or do you have a scholar/historian who also holds that view? I know of NO scholars/experts who hold that view. So yes that is new to me and I find it impossible to hold. I am interested in the origins of Christianity and look around and buy books regularly. But I have yet to run across ANY expert on the origin of the New Testament and Christianity who finds Josephus&Paul the same.
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus Here is a good paper on who Paul may have been. It is by a Jew who is an expert on Judaism, Hyam Maccoby, Phd. wwwdotsullivan-countydotcom/id2/paul_problemdothtm and wwwdotsullivan-countydotcom/id3/paul_problemdothtm I spelled out dot because you can't post a webpage here. Also why would Paul be in the historical record BEFORE he wrote a letter or founded a church? Paul's letters were distributed to Christians and copied over and over as more wanted copies. Also some are forgeries!
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus What puzzles me is your position that the Apostle Paul was actually Joesphus!!! Did you develop that yourself or is it in a scholarly work? I know of NO critical/agnostic/atheist scholars and historians who hold such a position. Indeed there are enough books on Paul to fill an entire section of a library. The most doubting/critical/angostic scholars continue to hold that Paul actually wrote about 7 of his 13 New Testament letters beginning about 50 AD. Paul was actually Josephus???
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus No it is clear that we have only ONE Jesus as the character on which the stories that developed into Christianity were attatched. Born probably in the fall between 4 and 7 BC and was executed by orders of Ponitus Pilate about 30 AD. According to dozens of skeptical scholars, a few of his authentic sayings are found in the New Testament. Try wwwdotjosephusdotorg and click on the many links about the TF and find the best view of what Josephus wrote about the Jesus of the gospels.
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus Again I have books here by many skeptical/agnostic/atheist New Testament scholars and historians and NONE hold Josephus was Paul!!! NONE!!! Where did you get such a weird idea. It is certainly not held by any experts I know! This expert on Judaism, Hyam Maccoby, Phd has an interesting take on Paul but yet holds Paul was Paul, NOT Josephus! wwwdotsullivan-county/id3/paul_problem.htm. All the skeptical scholars I have hold Jesus did live except Robert Price, Phd who doubts Jesus lived.
boblackey1 8 months ago
@TheDarvus Josephus was Paul??? How did you come up with that?? I've got books here written by all kinds of critical/skeptical/agnostic/atheist New Testament scholars and historians and nobody holds that position. The find about SIX of Paul's letters to be forgeries but about SEVEN (the number changes slightly with some of them) of Paul's letters to have been ACTUALLY WRITTEN BY PAUL.& there is good evidence the oldest layer of the gospels& Q present a real Jesus who lived&taught but not divine.
boblackey1 8 months ago
Joseph Smith, a trickster of his time: he worked with a divining rod to find treasure and water because he didn't want to work his farm. His own wife wouldn't become a Mormon. He was being chased by many women and then, Lo and behold> god told him to take on the wives of his own elders in his church???? Give me a break
redcherbonne 8 months ago
Kityandfriends:
What book is this that's supposedly mentioned in the Bible? What distant land, and what far away nation?
Yeah, go to mormon.org, where I'll find all the evidence one could hope to want for the Tooth Fairy. And while there, I'll check out the Easter Bunny page, too. I'm told it's REALLY convincing...
You doubtless think NORAD *really* tracks Santa Claus every Christmas Eve.
That's like asking an encyclopedia salesman if you need a set of encyclopedias.
wannawatchu66 10 months ago
I wouldn't base my eternity on Calvinism, either.
nhprman 11 months ago
The problem is there was no "Nazareth" in ancient times, and the modern site is likely NOT from ancient times, because there is no archeological evidence.
nhprman 11 months ago
Where is the map???
behindzioncurtain 11 months ago
Mormonism, the Eternal Presence of an Absence. Nothing is always before us and we are asked to believe the word of a liar and accept the lack of evidence as a requirement of faith for and in Mormonism
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
Also for those who don't believe the Bible has no record of the Book of Mormon haven't read it enough. There is mention of a book coming from a distant land that holds the evidence of a far away nation. The people of Isreal were scattered across Asia, so why can't they have reached America? Also if you go to Mormon.org they can tell you a lot more on the Book of Mormon and its relation to the Bible. By the way Daisy65ful, if we are Children of God can't we have his same power?
kityandfriends 1 year ago
@kityandfriends no you cannot He is God, we are mortal men.
sunburst68 1 year ago
@kityandfriends Wrote:
"The people of Isreal (sic) were scattered across Asia, so why can't they have reached America?"
The problem is that DNA evidence clearly shows that Asiatic Mongolians were the people who migrated across the Bering Straits. There are plentiful archaeological remains to support that migration. There is no credible evidence to support your claims.
Outlaw1257 1 year ago
@kityandfriends Where exactly is the book mentioned coming from a distant land from in the Bible, can you give me an exact scripture reference?
Xmetalearth 1 year ago
@kityandfriends "if we are Children of God can't we have his same power?"
*****Doesn't Genesis teach that the 'We can have the same power as God" was the same argument that Scratch used in The Garden??
CounterCultureLives 11 months ago
According to the Book of Mormon the Lamanites were a traitories people that would usually kill each other for gain. If you kill the blacksmith without learning his trade then you tend to destroy the thing that you are trying to make and the metal is destroyed into pieces and blown across the world in the wind. Also yoiu are looking for something in a area where metal was a tool so weapons were regulary destroyed to make more TOOLS to help with the farming. I mean that what we do today right???
kityandfriends 1 year ago
@kityandfriends Excuses, after excuses, after more Mormon excuses.....
Outlaw1257 1 year ago
YOU ARE BLIND AND IGNORANT!!! I fyou read the bible and the Book of Mormon you find a ton of reason why there is no archaeological evidence. You also can find a general area where the locations of the cities are. Now the reason you can't find the weapons or the bones of the battles. Native Americans, or Lamanites as the Mormons call them, have used bones for tools for centries for tools and weapons, and the skill to use metal can always be forgotten and the sword and tools of old destroyed.
kityandfriends 1 year ago
@kityandfriends I've got a bridge in San Francisco you might be interested in.....
larryjackson04 4 months ago
There are some interesting facts these gentelman either simply ignored or I guess simply missed. Reading the logs of Captain Cook brings forth some interesting information. I believe in time the Book of Mormon will become more recognised as a true historic account rather than a work of fiction as some might suggest. Anthropoligist have accepted the one race theory but evidence shows this is flawed, that theory has swamped fact and the thruth is not getting the attention it should recieve.
llewellleo 1 year ago
I fully agree with macaron28. some of the so called scriptures are molded after the bible, and changed and formed over 100 years, where the bible has not changed, knowing the fact that we can see the dead sea scrolls. we can see the manuscript evidence and the manuscript evidence has proven the bible to be the correct book.
with the book of mormon can we see the plates? No.
MrBigbear6718 1 year ago
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I find it funny how they only allow Protestant scholars to be interviewed. If this documentary were worth anything, it would let Mormon scholars speak for themselves and articulate their beliefs rather than allow people at conflict with Mormon theology to say, "this is what they believe and this is why it's wrong."
NorthwestResistance 1 year ago
Oh yes, considering there was always a civilized nation occupying the Middle East and the fact that the Lamanites became a desolated and loathesome people at the end of it also that the Book of Mormon most likely took place in Mexico, were the Aztec Empire was and the Hill Cumorah in Palmyra is a different place then the one in Mexico because Moroni survived the battle and wandered for forty years in the wilderness he would bury the plates at the same hill, be real.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
has archeology proven mormonism?
MrBigbear6718 1 year ago
@MrBigbear6718 Has archeology proven that Christ died for our sins? No, but we still believe it to be true. Likewise, the scandal of Mormonism is that, regardless of archeology, we know it to be true.
NorthwestResistance 1 year ago
Obviously, and I already knew this just by reading a few pages of this BOOK OF GARBAGE, that JOSEPH SMITH was nothing but a CON MAN. Anyone who believes in the junk from MAMONISM, is a fool, a total idiot.
macaron28 1 year ago
@macaron28 Joeseph Smith was a TRUE Prophet of God,and i Testify to you that the book of mormon is TRUE,and i know that,just as 14.000.000 other members,through the Holy Ghost!!!
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ethanoburu 1 year ago
While there is archeological evidence for God and the Bible, there is NO evidence for the Book of Mormon. Trust me. Been there, done that.
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LDSfaithDefender 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 sorry,,, where is the archealogical evidence for God or Jesus there;s evidence that people built temples ....thats about it
mugwamp4 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 : Do some research. We have names, places, etc.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 Not quite, mugwamp!! I'm not a Christian, I see that The Bible is FAR from infallible, but there are clearly scientific evidences to support certain parts of The Bible, including the Crucifixion, and the story of the Bethlehem Star.... Interestingly enough, NONE of those evidences support any parts of The Bible which are focused upon empowering the few to reign over the masses.
Outlaw1257 1 year ago
@mugwamp4 : Nevermind the simple fact that the very existence of the Book of Mormon is in direct violation of the Bible.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
Didn't DNA research falsify the claim that there were Jews living in South America in ancient times?
ianmac2010 1 year ago
It's all a lie, The Book of Mormon..and I was a Mormon at one time many years ago. Although Mormons have strong family values, (which is what they use to lure people in) they are a cult. Mormons believe and are taught that the more they bring in to their religion, the more powerful they will be in Heaven. They teach of a power that is equal to God...sorry guys, you can't be more powerful than your creator.
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@Daisy65ful
well said.
Bluecowry 1 year ago
@Daisy65ful Your post is so foolish that it requires a response regardless of the fact that you wrote this about a year ago. First, I agree, Mormons do have strong family values. However, this is not used to "lure" people in. It is taught in equal measure with every other foundational precept of the religion; first and foremost however, when missionaries teach people, they teach them to pray and ask for themselves. Second, I bet you don't even know the definition of the word cult.
nickroc3 1 month ago
@Daisy65ful If you can't define cult without looking it up, don't use the word. If you were to use the dictionary definition of the word "cult" then every religion, besides Catholicism, is a cult. Third, Mormons do not believe, nor are they taught, that the more people they bring into the religion the more powerful they become in Heaven. That is not, nor has it ever been, doctrine of the church. Finally, the church also does not teach that people can be as powerful as God the Father.
nickroc3 1 month ago
@Daisy65ful Not only does the church NOT teach that people can become equal to God the Father, you contradicted your own argument when you said: "They teach of a power that is equal to God...sorry guys, you can't be more powerful than your creator." So which is it? Equal to or greater than? You can't have it both ways, and even if you could, the church doesn't teach that people can become equal to God, let alone greater than God.
nickroc3 1 month ago
google Doe's Account.
Nevyfling 1 year ago
Joseph Smith is a liar. You are being deceived.
seonf 1 year ago
I guess you need to get yourselves up to date on DNA Evidences of the Book of Mormon...by Rod Meldrum....LOL.....
nay sayers were to quick to think they had Joseph Smith...
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
Gian Giorgio Trissino (1478-1550) Was the first to explicitly distinguish the letter "i" and "J" as representing separate sounds and therefore the letter "J" didnt even EXIST Untill the 1600's, Just a lil Critical-Thinking for you Christians. Therefore this jesus dude never walked on water, never was born from a virgin, which is IMPOSSIBLE, and last but not least, never flew into the sky in his same body(flesh). There is no Archaeological or Historical Evidence 4 that Claim.....PERIOD!
TheMelloKey 1 year ago
yeshua ha'mashiach is lord.
in hebrew or latin in jesus's time his name wasnt jesus, thats just the english translation idot
oo0olegendoo0o 1 year ago
wow buddy... so because the letter J was pronounced differently back then then Jesus never existed... if you like I can give you a list of secular (non-christian) authors that would actually argue differently. Excellent logic btw
rockbear51 1 year ago
@rockbear51 There is no evidence outside the bible that jesus ever exsisted.
WHy didnt early historians write of him? He was like a rock star according to the bible!
lespauls61 1 year ago
@TheMelloKey jesus is the english name for 'yeshua' which is hebrew and the real name jesus would have went by but other than showing huge ignorance of the subject your trying to claim you know all about, your reasoning of jesus didn't exist because the letter J didn't exist is really silly as you would know that english didn't even exist never mind the letter J.
What happened to your lil' critical thinking that time?
johnnyeze 1 year ago
God loves humanity and has been speaking to humanity for since the beginning of time,..but they could not understand what God was speaking to them and created many false versions of God, and gods, until God came inside His Only SOn and spoke to humanity through Him, Jesus. This explains ALL of the similiar ancient ideas, .and..Nature points to God, the SUN (SON) is our ONLY Light, something daily must die (my food) for me to live...birth of a child that must be taught by experince in world,. Etc
propheticman 1 year ago
Rather than wasting the energy on dismissing the LDS all Christians should find common ground and work toward a more righteous and spiritual society.
razumfrackle 1 year ago
@razumfrackle Commone sense would be a good start. Until people wake up and see that religion is man made and stop believing in the spagetti monster when there is NO evidence to support there supernatural monster.
lespauls61 1 year ago
faith is not what religion you belong...but how you as a person love others as brothers and sisters,,,coz that what the bible says,,,choose the right!
mspasimple 1 year ago
You mormons are a messed up bunch, worse than the christians, Looks like someones been drinking the coolaid
lespauls61 2 years ago
if fools do not buy religion, then who will pay for the pope to live like a king.
zulfitareen 2 years ago
the american phrase "selling a vacuum cleaner", can best describe the religion, all religions.
when you buy a religion, you are buying a vacuum cleaner.
as the salesman of vacuum cleaner told tall tales to the housewives to make them buy vacuum cleaners in early 1920s, the preachers tell the tall tales to sell their dark idealogy of religion.
why do they do it?
to control your mind and abuse massess.
it is all about power and money.
fools buy it. they always will.
zulfitareen 2 years ago
With your world-view you will die suffering and without hope....Cry out to GOD yourself, who created you and loves you,... earnestly SEEK HIM, He loves you, and will reveal Himself to you IF YOU LET HIM. ....This is really ALL of us are responsible to do in God's Sight, .....religions, and scriptures in all religions have been used by (and corrupted by) satan/devils/evil principalities (your enemies all around you) to abuse and manipulate people,...GOD knows how to reveal Himself to you
propheticman 1 year ago
at i am not living the life of a religious delusional.
which one is true.
muahmmad's ride into sky on horse to meet his deity.
or a guy being born to a virgin.
every culture in ancient times had a half man half god figure who would die for the sins of society.
mithra, osiris, dynosis, krishna, and christ.
plz read "how jesus became christian" by bary wilson Ph.D.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
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zulfitareen 2 years ago
Just because the citys exsist doesnt mean the stories are true. If thats your criteria for truth than spiderman is real.
lespauls61 2 years ago
None of them are the word of god they are the word of ancients goat herders. I cant believe people still believe this BS.
lespauls61 2 years ago
before moses suppposidly existed, other cultures had the same stories over the world about him and jesus etc.the names were difrent, but the stories almost the same. so what does that mean? pictures and text also suggests they had technology. i say dont believe the media including the hostory, geographical and news channels and such.live your life, dont be dictated to on what you should or shouldnt do, or say youre not good enuf for your dreams.the past is past.
lovingman41 2 years ago
I love Jesus. I also love how he spent 40 days and 40 nights inside a whale's stomach as a protest to Moses. What was Moses thinking to criticise the Hussites for attacking the Memonites?!
turbodewd 2 years ago
Why did I get this DUMB video as a suggestion? FCK Mormons!
ignaciofeito 2 years ago
Mormonism is a cult. I feel sorry for the children that don't know any other life. I feel sorry especially for the women in this cult.
And, it was started by some kid who made up a stupid story.
Numenor73 2 years ago 2
According to the theological definition of the term,
a cult is a group that denies essential biblical doctrine while claiming to be Christian or in harmony with true Christianity. While mormons claim to be members of the one true christian church, they deny historic and essential Christian doctrines. Therefore, evangelical Christians do indeed consider it a cult of christianity.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
The argument is simply whether Joseph Smith was full of fucking shit and this video does exactly that.
lividmachine 2 years ago
So as there is no proof, not one of the places can be found according to Joseph Smith.... that means Mormon is totaly FALSE !!! This again proves to me that if Mormonism is false, becaus it was written by Joseph Smith himself, how can you say the Bible is the true book, that Christianity is a true religion? I don't believe it.
BenJr01 2 years ago
Just because the places in the bible exist, it has ZERO affect on the proof of the actual stories.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
such filthy communicationbornagainunbeliever. If you are so at piece with your anti Christianity then why don't you just stop cursing and attacking others? Seems sin has you miserable!
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
@ lividmachine:
Just to add to my last post... since you're 99% full of shit and don't have any more room left to fit in the normal 60% quota of water, you yourself are additional, living proof your 'earth-to-human water mass ratio' theory is ridiculous :-)
And after making a public idiot of yourself once again, do you wonder if I "toss everything you say in the bullshit file"?
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
That's laughable, are you sure you went to school? The reference is to parallel that subjects no matter how large are supportable by smaller counterparts in relative symbiosis which each have corresponding similarities to their much larger counterparts. Hence why Dinosaurs are all but extinct. We are parallel with our environment; something happens to the earth enough to affect present conditions we are also affected. So i guess I am pretty dumb.... Gee what was i thinking!?
lividmachine 2 years ago
Just what do they mean by "the Bible" here? Most people take this to mean the New Testament, don't they? (indicating their infallible god couldn't see into the future when he wrote the old testament, and later had to release the more palatable Bible v.2).
Well, if the new testament contains 7,959 verses, to get 25,000 biblical "proofs" every single VERSE needs to contain an average 3+ of them. A classic case of "Lies, damn lies and statistics" I'd say...
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
generally most of historical locations are in the old testment. They mean the text as a whole not just the new testment...
Raguel22 2 years ago
You attack the Bible and yet do you have any explination of where your proof is? Alright lets say your right and we made a mistake, thats still 7,959 proofs to your still 0. Anything at all? I'd love to hear your defense and not just your attacks :).
warpstar44 2 years ago
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bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
Oooh... I can see the moon up there, so that proves there must be moon-men after all!
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
Ooops... Forgot to challenge the opening statement of this video that "only one can be the true word of God" (when comparing the Bible against the Book of Mormon).
The speaker conveniently overlooks another possibility -- that BOTH of them might be works of pure fiction! Using one fairlytale to disprove another would be laughable if it weren't so mentally disturbed :-(
My money is on Ganesha as the one-and-only true deity (that's the dude with the body of a man and head of an elephant).
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
25,000 evidences that the Bible is true? Really?
The fact that Bethlehem and Jerusalem can be found on the map no more proves the truth of the Bible than the fact that there are several "Sunderland's" in the world (where Alice in Wonderland supposedly came from) is proof she existed either.
Religion is just a 'mind virus' and Jesus is no more real than the deities Ganesha, Thor, Zeus or Ra are real. Hopefully, 50 years from now there'll be a vaccination against this schizophrenia...
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
Oh, and furthermore on the subject of artifacts: Many people try and discredit the Book of Mormon by saying "There was no such thing as steel and it talks about steel!" Well then. I guess it's time to put what these critics consider valid scripture to the test:
2 Sam. 22.35
Psalms 18.34
Job 20.24
Jeremiah 15.12
All Old Testament. All mention steel.
bobbodaskank 2 years ago
I wish there were enough room on this fucking thing to slap you in the coconut with the unmistakable evidence that MORMONISM is bullshit! American Natives DID NOT HAVE MEANS TO EXCAVATE OR MELT STEEL. Of course the bible talks about it because the had the technology. Moroni's father "fashioned" from what they had including swords one in particular the Scemeter but he uses the word "swords" in the same sentence as if they were separate... but absolutely no physical evidence of any of it I wonder?
lividmachine 2 years ago
4. Named animals in the Americas: BoM mentions elephants and horses and stuff. It takes one angry God to wipe out entire species. Also, what have we found frozen up north? Big wooly... elephants?
5. Wanna know why Biblical sites have retained their names? Because that nation was never cursed to be a wild people.
In conclusion... No scripture has ever said "Have faith according to how much historical evidence ye find." That would, of course, be bogus. This argument has no ground to stand on.
bobbodaskank 2 years ago
I can never understand this argument (and the DNA argument).
1. Stop discounting the Aztecs, Mayans, etc. They were here, their cities existed, the people existed. It counts.
2. Artifacts? People are finding ancient arrowheads and knives in America all the time.
3. Geography: the Book of Mormon states that at the death of Christ, the very landscape was readjusted. Valleys made into mountains and stuff. Do that to today's America and no one would even believe today's maps as authentic.
bobbodaskank 2 years ago
Such hypocrites, they shud apply their own logic to their own religion. Start with the historical evidence for Jesus. Hmmm, wait, if they had done that they wud find their IS NONE!!!
philhunter2005 2 years ago
They found plenty of evidence you fucking moron, pick up a book before opening you stupid yap you sheep molesting fascist bitch! While you're at it simpleton pick up some hooked on phonics you white supremacist Jack-ass! a SCHOLAR you are NOT. In fact; do the world a favor and go choke on something, i see the Darwin Award in your bleak future... Someone should slap you Momma your so fucking dumb this world has enough dumb-asses; please kill yourself, you white piece of fucktarded dog shit!!
lividmachine 2 years ago
Very defensive, arnt u. You wanna give me 4 pieces of historical evidence of jesus being the son of god outside of the bible please.
philhunter2005 2 years ago
The Gospel of the Nativity of Mary chapter 3, The Teachings of Silvanus, The Apocryphon of John and The Bpistle of Barnabas 4:9
Undertaker202 2 years ago
@ lividmachine: You're so fucked in the head you don't realise I'm saying its ALL bullshit, do you? Atheists don't need to say a word to disprove religion - just sit back and let ass-wipes like you show the entire world what dickheads you are. Go see a shrink!.
As for evidence, just ONE example will do for me (other than "The bible mentions Jerusalem and its on the map, so that proves it").
Waiting... waiting...waiting...
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
What evidence do you need? Anything I say you'll just toss in the bullshit file... OK, I'm assuming you believe in Darwin -If the earth is as old as science says and granted earth has been through countless changes; why is it that man shares the same water to mass ratio as the earth? Life according to evolution comes from the water, but no other animal shares this similarity. As for geological evidence the bible mention a good portion of the middle east not just Jerusalem. PICK UP A BOOK!
lividmachine 2 years ago
Why does man share the same water to mass ratio as earth? Do you get your scientific 'facts' from Benny Hinn TV broadcasts?
Of the earth's total MASS, only 0.023% is water (see 'Ocean' page of Wikipedia)! And even if you were thinking surface AREA, the earth's 71% still doesn't equal the water MASS of the human body -- an average 60% for males and 55% for females (see 'Body Water' page of Wikipedia).
Let me help you here (you clearly fucking need it): 0.023% mass < 60% mass. GET A BRAIN!
bornagainunbeliever 2 years ago
Historical evidence? Well some argue that there is no historical evidence of Jesus Christ, so does that make the Bible not true either? but that doesn't fit the mold does it? to me the Bible is the word of God as it is translated correctly. The Book of mormon is also the word of God as well. Why do Chrisitians attack other Christians? How is Christiantity to survive while so many so called Christians cannabalize other believers?
myway43 2 years ago
Fellow Mormons please learn your own history, not that given to you by faith but actual and real truthful history. All faiths believe they are correct in general, what seperates Mormons currently is the amount of evidence clearly refuting Mormonsims claims. Take the white statues of JS off the mantel for just a day and search out the truth from your very own Church historical records.
SuperHodja 2 years ago
Characters that were traced from the record Joseph was translating from were also confirmed by scholars of the day that they were true ancient characters. The Book of Mormon has changed the lives of millions. Who cares if we don't know the exact locations of events. i have FAITH that the B of M is true. The Spirit of God has witnessed it to me countless times. What greater witness can you have than that from God? The B of M is true. Read it, test the Lord, and find out for yourself.
alisoresen 2 years ago
"Confirmed by scholars", Alisoresen??
Confirmed by Mormon scholars!! Sure, as we all know, Smithsonian and National Geographic Society have all come out on record, stating that the "characters" on the "golden plates" which were mysteriously toted back to heaven were all authentic, and prove The Book of Mormon to be true!!
Smithsonian can now use The Book of Mormon as a research tool, as it has done with The Bible!!
Yeah, RIGHT!!
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
There are evidences of the truth of the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed he found the record in a stone box and described what it looked like. It wasn't until recently that we have discovered other records kept in a similar way. How would he have known to say it was in a stone box? Also, the Book of Mormon is written in an ancient writing style of chiasmus, and has some of the most correct examples of this found anywhere. Joseph could have never known this with his limited education.
alisoresen 2 years ago
The book of Mormon is the word of God and another testament of Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith only had like a third grade education. Even if there was archeological proof you wouldn't believe it. Seeing is believing to you. But it's supposed to be believing is seeing. A blind man knows the sun rises.He knows because he feels. Don't always trust your eyes.Read it and pray to know if it is true. What proof do you have that it is not true. If you have a problem with it deal with it. read Isaiah 29
bradanderson1990 2 years ago
The funny thing is that the video and most detractors refer to the Book of Mormon as "Joseph Smith's writings" when he didn't write a word of it. It is well known that he was an uneducated boy with a 5th grade education. Additionally, author-authentication software and research has consistently ruled him out as a possible author of the book... that's why the Solomon Spaulding and Oliver Cowdrey theories exist.
Chaos4Free 2 years ago
"Liv" & "Dfw" - The Bible is not the BoM. It is the most translated book in the world. Do you know all the differences in the over 2400 translations? Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshu. From Joshua, His original name is Hoshea, "Salvation" (Num.13:8); but Moses evidently changes it to Yehoshua, "Yahweh (Jehovah) is Salvation" (Num.13:16, and from the BoM, 2Nephi 9:133, MORONI 10:31). He is also called Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshua. This is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek name "Iesous" (Jesus).
Deacon42 2 years ago
The Original Book of Mormon (not current LDS versions), does not and never has, superseded the Bible. It is just a continuing book of History and a further affirmation of Jesus Christ.
Deacon42 2 years ago
So what about the article of faith that says "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the BOM to be the word of God."
Or:
"I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book"
Sounds like it supercedes the Bible to me!
dfwsunking 2 years ago 2
It truly troubles me that you are that BLIND. Gal. 1:6 warns us (us- meaning actual Christians) about YOU and anyone like YOU. Let me give you food for thought "deacon" If JS received an actual proclamation of Jesus visiting America then why in your Bible it never says Jesus in Hebrew? The name "Jesus" was/is a Roman translation, and what of God/ His real name isn't mentioned either... If Moroni was a Hebrew he wouldn't have called him "Jesus" either. Think about it?
lividmachine 2 years ago
No use using that section of Galatians against Mormons. After all, Mormons believe they have the restored Gospel meaning those men who came to pervert the Gospel have come and gone and current Christianity is the result. Mormons have merely put it back in order.
Moroni would call Jesus whatever name he was prompted to call him. After all, he could rest assured no Nephite named Mary is going to go around naming her kid Jesus falsely because Moroni also testifies of the birth place.
bobbodaskank 2 years ago
They're all crazy! You can still tell a myth that takes place in a real place(as in the Bible). You can't prove the places in the Book of Mormon didn't exist, you simply come to the conclusion that they didn't based on probability. I do the same when I come to the conclusion that they are both wrong.
DamageInc426 2 years ago
I'd rather read my ABCs than read the nonsense Joseph Smith wrote, and he had the ridiculous audacity to call it another testament of God's word. The book was not even thought out. The Koran is a false book too but it is a WHOLE LOT more convincing logical and historically reasonable than the book of Mormon. Jesus said you cannot have 2 masters. All you worshippers of Joseph Smith are NOT worshippers of Christ nor are you the children of God, but rather of Satan. Repent!
okebaram 2 years ago
"I'd rather read my ABCs than read the nonsense Joseph Smith wrote, and he had the ridiculous audacity to call it another testament of God's word. The book was not even thought out. The Koran is a false book too but it is a WHOLE LOT more convincing logical and historically reasonable than the book of Mormon. "
Have you read either? Doubt it. Doubt you've read the bible either.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
I don't blame you for talking all this nonsense. If I were you, I'll be mad too. But at the same time, even if you hate me for it, I will continue to push you as far away as I can from the cult of the LDS. And are you kidding? I read my bible mr man. I am actually KNOWLEGDABLE of the truth that sets free and that is why I am free. You call god's word a lie and call the word of some Joseph man truth. No wonder you are so angry and lack any fruits of righteousness or the Holy Spirit. Continued...
okebaram 2 years ago
continuation: Joseph Smith along with all other antichrists and false Christs that have come before him and will come after him, will all bow at the feet of Jesus and confess that He is Lord, and they will be banished away to uttermost suffering for eternity. You need to ask God for yourself to reveal Himself to you. Let Him prove to you that LDS is true OR let Him prove to you that my words are true. I am intelligent enough to know what it means for anyone like you to die lost: a horror untold
okebaram 2 years ago
Ya okay.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Watch this video. No one should imprison your mind other than undisguised truth which is the revelation of God Who is Love:
watch?v=x17jSNwolTM
okebaram 2 years ago
or the MEASURE of your own creation....
neurodoc45 2 years ago
I testify that all the gainsayers and naysayers and critics of Joseph Smith, will do nothing to diminish Joseph's prophetic calling as a prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ....I testify that Lucifer is the puppet master giving marching orders behind the scenes to all those vainly striving to undermine the Prophetic mantle of Joseph and thus, the authenticity and authority of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...unless repentance occurrs, all of you will fail to fulfill ur own creation
neurodoc45 2 years ago
I know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that we all existed before being born in the flesh; I have perfect knowledge of this fact through heavenly revelation at 8 yrs of age; although this is attested to in many bible verses, until Christ revealed it anew to Joseph Smith, no church recognized this fact (let alone taught it)--which is yet another evidence of the great Apostacy and lack of priesthood keys in Christendom; On this teaching alone I certify Joseph Smith as a true Prophet of God.
neurodoc45 2 years ago
I know I'm 2 months late on this comment, but that's a killer story! Cool testimony.
bobbodaskank 2 years ago
I am glad you liked it....I have been through hell and back because I was baptized and went on a mission and continue to testify of the BOM and the Restoration Prophet of Jesus Christ....31 yrs later.....yet I am being sustained by Christ in so doing. Planting seeds by inviting people to attend church with me, and giving out BOM's gives me joy...keep the faith brother....
neurodoc45 2 years ago
as a Catholic boy of 8, I testify that I had a revelation from God that I existed before being born, and no one can convince me it was not of God. At 14, without a First Vision to assist me, I firmly (and accurately) concluded Catholicism/Protestantism were man made (and became a atheist)..but never forgot my revelation about pre-mortal existance...at 20, true messengers of God (LDS missionaries) taught me of Joseph's teachings on the pre-mortal life; I am a living witness of Joseph as prophet
neurodoc45 2 years ago
I don't know why I wasted my time with this crap. Very unconvincing argument. The bible and the Book of Mormon are true. Faith in Christ is the first principle of the gospel. No evidence needed for me. Even if Jeruselum didn't exist I would still believe in Jesus!
happymormon2 2 years ago
Really? Last I heard there is no proof of Israelites exodus but I am pretty sure it happened and they existed do now exist and will be gathered as a whole people. Moreover faith is the key not proof therefor I accept the bible and the book of Mormon on the spiritual evidence that gives me faith. Last but not least why do they expend so much energy attacking Mormonism when there are distinct differences between baptist and Pentecostals which one of those are true? You say only one truth exists.
wasatchmonk2 2 years ago
mormans are child molesters with their harems of child brides
MsVer123 2 years ago
That's like saying Baptists are Doctor killing home grown terrorists or Catholics are child molesters and so on. There are troubled groups in all religions.
Deacon42 2 years ago
The difference between baptise and pentacostals is an interfaith issue. They both are unified in the essentials of orhodox christianity...the issue they have between them are secondary in nature...this is not true with Mormonism...I can have christian fellowship with with a Baptist aswell as a pentacostal....it's moot issue
scooner67 2 years ago
Joseph Smill was a snake oil saleman
lespauls61 2 years ago
and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God......
And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."
"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD.""Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us... "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."
"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago 2
"JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US."."GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 2 years ago
By the way The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and it's members believe the Bible to be true, not like is quoted in the video.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
SomeGuy Wrote:
By the way The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and it's members believe the Bible to be true, not like is quoted in the video.
More truthfully stated, LDS believes The Bible to be true insofar as it was "translated" correctly.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
That's right Outlaw1257, I stand corrected.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
The ruins shown at 1:48 in the video is the temple in Arad. Funny thing about that is that when the Book of Mormon was written it was mocked because the book mentioned temples outside Jerusalem. "No jew would build a temple outside of Jerusalem" was the argument. There are at least three temples outside Jerusalem that are now known. This is one of them, it's NOT mentioned in the Bible!!!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Bottom Line:
God is Love.
Love God, your enemies, neighbors, and self.
:D
Both believe in that too, so...we cool.
Cavestach 2 years ago
The opening statements of this video are a sham. The Book of Mormon is not the word of Joseph Smith, it is the word of God. The Bible declares that more scripture will come forth. Maybe, just maybe it has... If there were Prophets of God in the Bible why not now in our time? Why does it have to be on someone elses watch?
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Thanks
GreekSym 2 years ago
This video is BS, there are archeological artifacts all over North and South America like what is described in the Book of Mormon. This video is aimed at ignorant people like the one that addressed me asking for evidence.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
I am not trying to discern you..... I am not ignorant Im asking for help if you can do nothing else but reply with insults then you are unreliable as a person...I was seeking some information in honesty. . .I was hoping you could give me a site to where I could find archeological information... I appoligize if i have offended you...PS information and evidence are two different things
GreekSym 2 years ago
I gave evidence not opinion. If you are serious about finding out it is a simple task. Just know that there is more people out there trying to disuade people from finding the truth then there is trying to help. This video is a perfect example. The evidence is there... you can find it! I have given you one example to start with. One question... if it is such a big fat lie, why does so many people spend their every moment trying to disprove it? If it was false nobody would care!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
never said it was opinion you forget that there are people trying to find the truth & not just trying to attack you & in that absence you discredit yourself yes I know that there are many that disuade others from the truth or in finding answers, I am not trying to disprove it I am trying to find the truth Ans. you could also argue that if it was false then people would not want others to be put in harms way, thats why the effort, but for the most part people attack things they do not understand.
GreekSym 2 years ago
What harms way? How does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints hurt anybody or put them in harms way? The humanitarian aid alone that they put out should be enough to prove that. Check out that information.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
talk to the ones that are so busy trying to disprove LDS....How am I suppose to know that answer when I asked for help on finding information in the 1st place? and I said one could argue....not that it was the case PS.. the humanitarian aid is very impressive...thanks for the help Peace out
GreekSym 2 years ago
please look at the videos under my favorites, also look up the ones concerning archaeology by FAIRLDSdotORG
shows much concerning the ACTUAL evidence found thru archaeology. John E. Clark and John L. Sorenson. Book of Mormon, try Googling them.
LDSTrueChurch 2 years ago
Someguycalledshelnut;
These so-called 'evidences" you speak of have been objectively reviewed by what non-partisan group of experts??
FARMS?? FAIRLDS?? The Maxwell Institute??
Some other propaganda machinery from LDS Shillster, Inc?? ROTFLMFAO!!
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
You only make yourself look like an idiot when you write crap like what you did Outlaw1257. The evidence is there... her's one little example... ever hear of a place called Nahom? It's told about in the early chapters of the Book of Mormon. The book and Joseph Smith were mocked because of this and many other points. Well now this city has been found in Yemen. The name Nahom is all over the ruins.
Outlaw1257, you and the mongrols in this video have no ground to stand on anymore proof is there.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
So, someguy;
Expecting thee so-called "evidences" that LDS throws out to be authenticated by unbiased sources is "idiotic"??
Sure, I've heard of Nahom, and that little tidbit of so-called "evidence was shot down some time ago.
When facts and substance fail, you reduce yourself to mindless insults and foolish name calling.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago