it all depends on the track plus an average car driver is way faster around the track then average bike rider on the same track but the average rider will have billion times more fun to do that so game over car you just too boring
@a6km The average car driver is fucking awful at driving. The "average" driver thinks of their car the same way they think about a toaster and spends less time thinking about driving than they do about how to use a TV remote.
The average rider gives a shit about what they're doing and is certainly going to be faster on damn near any track.
HAHAHAHAHAHA OF COURSE THE F1 CARD CAME BY.. thats just typical fucking faggot car LOSERS , lives in DENIAL..cant understand why the best car in the world on a REAL circiut got his as PWNED!! this is a STOCK bike with lights on it.. so NO sbk and NO gp,bike so fuck off... this is the third time this year that bike have beat the GTR and bmw s1000rr have beat it one time driven by a GT champion LOLLOLOLOLOL... 3 times in one year what more do you want??? its even a car track with few straights LOL
@rottepung666 It depends on the driver, it is infact almost a two tonne car with 485 HP, both of these vehicles are stock you imbecil, so how can you really compare. I think it's you thats in denial that you're getting angry over a video. It's not the best car in the world, so where you got that from is beyond me. In this video everytime the GTR gets close, he's letting go of the accelerator trying not to knock off the guy on the bike. It's a known fact cars handle better..
@MasonTrance yes we saw that by the independent lap times LOL.. search for ducati 1198 vs Ferrari 458italia, ferrari scuderia vs desmos ducati, R6 vs GT rigged porsche, bmw s1000rr vs GTR, suzuki gsx-r1000 vs carting car, lambo superleggera vs ducati, gallardo vs 999 ducati shall i go on fucktard?
You wanna know a bike that acelerates faster than a F1 car? Yes, an electric bike does 0 to 100 km/h in 1 second (or 0 to 60mph). I didn't believe till I saw it. Anyway is not race legal or anything like that, but must be fastest acelerating vehicle I know. Killacycle. But its a bit stupid to compare a 1.000.000 a race F1 car to a 10.000 bucks bike. With 900.000 bucks you could a freaking space rocket and win the race no? The Bike won this one, swallow it and move on. Cars win other.
Bikes cannot accelerate (or at least ordinary stock street bikes) as fast as an F1 car, but the difference isn't by much, especially when you consider 230 hp race bikes that weigh 350 lbs.
Despite all of the misinformation on youtube, cars don't really corner faster than bikes (except F1 open wheel race cars, but those arent really cars). Cars do however brake MUCH faster than bikes do, because a motorcycle only has a tiny wheel base and will flip over if you grab too much brake. Bikes have the acceleration of an F1 race car, which is why they have faster lap times than ALL production vehicles in existence.
@toniiii9 haha 0-200 kph in less than 3 seconds, the crack you are smoking must be 100% pure grade. Seen plenty of videos of F1 cars at the drag strip doing 9s
@sonicnofadz Alain Prost pilot 1993 Wiliams F1 Car measurement of pituitary 0-402 m 7,2 sec 305 kph.When you dont know something shut up.If you realy belive that one serial stock bike accelerate like F1 Car than you are really stuppid AND YOU DONT KNOW MUTCH ABOUT MOTOSPORT.Ewen racing MOTO GP bike can,t accelerate like F1 LOL.
@toniiii9 Thing is 5th Gear even done a test between a F1 Racing Car VS Moto GP Bike VS Racing Boat. Theres no possible way a bike can match the accelaration of an F1 car. The guys also put new sticker tires aswell as lengthend the wheel base a few milli-metres to help improve the grip and provent the front end from lifting. Lets say the GP lost asoon as they left the start line. LOL
@MasonTrance Of course,but some kids think that their stock serial bike accelerate like F1 car LOOOOOOL.Moto GP bike is mutch powerfool and lighter than any stock bike but when you compare moto GP with F1 it is like Russian Volga looool.
@DJMK3B Sorry for my bad english.Moto GP bikes have 240 hp and weight 150kg.Witch serial bike have that performance?And moto gp bikes still cant accelerate like F1 cars.Dont be stuppid.Serial bike is tractor for open wheel cars.
@MasonTrance It wasn't a MotoGp bike. It was a modded production superbike with British superbike champion. Where did you see lengthening wheelbase and stickier tyres?
Look up Ricky Gadson on YouTube and you will see stock Kawasakis have run low 9's and slightly modded, high 8's. MotoGp does indeed have equal or superior acceleration to F1. That is why on some circuits the bikes enter a straight slower but end up with a higher top speed. Of course F1 kills bikes under brakes and through turns.
@droceretik yes Motogp bikes have better acceleration then F1 cars here you are absolutely spot on @ EVERY circiut you compare them the bikes enter the start of the straight @ 50-60kph less and the formula 1 car and they have 300meter more to accelerate since it`s insane brakes but the bikes has 20-30kph more top speed @ the end of the straight.. @ Catalunya track F1 cars brake @ 1000meters and Motogp bike @ 650 meters... but this is NO BSB bike it got headlight and mirror and 180bhp is STOCK...
@rottepung666 I didn't write that it was a BSB, I wrote modded production superbike, i.e. a Honda 1000RR Fireblade, ridden by a BSB champion. However, good comments.
@droceretik ahh ok ok my bad i taught you ment "that exact aprillia was the BSB champ bike LOL" another thing is that they hit 8.75 @160mph on a bmw s1000rr Jamie Teasley... the bike is 100% stock they only lowered it.. but find me a car that does this in stock form..they can even use cheating slicks they would still look dumb!!!! the world record for production car is the Ultima GTR witch hit 9.945sec@143mph it`s right under a ton and have 720bhp and comes with semi-slicks LOL.
@rottepung666 The R35 sure is an amazing piece of engineering but it is heavy and has so many electronic gizmos that take away the need for the driver to do much except steer, accelerate and brake. If I bought one I think I would become bored. Most drivers could extract mid 11 second passes. It lacks the visceral stimulation compared to bikes and the skills needed and rewards from getting it right. IMO R35 = 70% car, 30% driver. Bike = 70% rider 30% bike. Driven an R35, no but read many tests.
@droceretik i was wondering the same thing?? i want to buy a Nissan GTR or Lambo Gallardo and i was thinking if i would get bored?? but i love acceleration and gizmos hehe.. and if you tune a gtr or a lambo they launch like a mother fucker... and yes to drive a car is not even close to ride a bike.. that freedom you feel when you saddle up and just go,don`t know where you`re going but you just keep riding and riding with a big fat fucking smile on your face.. yea thats riding!!!
@rottepung666 sure all true but what about that feeling u get in a high performance luxury car... its not just about riding fast. if u think u will get bored when u buy a nissan gtr or gallardo then maybe u shouldnt be stop by a doctor. everybody is talking about the whole feeling when on a bike but they forget the whole feeling about a car.
@dvcbuis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..you think that driving a car is as exciting as riding a bike the knee down the wheelies the acceleration the freedom feeling you get when you saddle up the wind around you the tension of speed, wind etc.you think all that is more boring then sit in door with 4 big patches and A LOT of gizmos that does the talking for you.. even a Ferrari 458italia dosn`t come close..ask ANY ppl that like both like my self..
@dvcbuis and my friend owns a zr1 that was nothing COMPARED believe me.. and thats a rather fun car witch you can drive sideways more then straight forward if you want..PS: i love cars as well but ask ppl that don`t care so much or lets say ask ppl that can separat the two from each other... they will all say the same..
@droceretik and what i wanted to say is.. i feel good about gizmos on the streets because they can save you if your made a mistake.. i am a more on a track guy now.. i used to ride my Gsx-R 1000 K5 with 235bhp 202rwhp 132rwNM and 187.5kg fully fueled on the streets and that is a monster to have without TC so it have take my head off many times almost got me quitting bike riding..LOL
@davidwest99 178bhp =))) it`s a rather looooong list C",) but what i can say is that it`s ALL motor/engine.. NO charger NO turbo NO nos i have nos in my garage but i never installed it.. THANK GOD FOR THAT LOL C",)
It sounds like a lot of you don't even ride. Cars can corner and brake way harder than bikes (generally speaking). It's pretty damn impressive that this bike can do what it did against such an awesome car. And stop bitching about the APRC, that can all be toggled off and is amazing tech. By your logic the GRT should have a 4 speed stick shift with a standard gearbox, RWD, and an open dif. Don't be fucking stupid. Aprilia gets my vote for this one.
@darwin604 Some drivers of some cars can brake and corner harder than some riders on some bikes. Generally speaking high performance cars such as the Porsche GT3, BMW M3 and Ferrari F430 can brake deeper and have higher corner speed at low and medium speeds ( 30 - 70 mph) but are similar at high speed cornering. High performance cars like the aformentioned are better at directional changes in a series of bends than bikes but bikes win on witches hat tests. "Way harder"....rubbish. F1 yeh sure.
Problem with this compararison is Nissan is a real company with customer support and a working product, Aprilia is just a gaggle of con-artists with business school degrees & phone numbers to factories in Austria & China.
@TheOKTerrificable Huh? I thought it was a well established Italian motorcycle manufacturer with history back to 1949. I think you should explain how Aprilia, with dealers in over 70 countries and well established manufacturing facilities in Italy and over 1,000 employees can be "just a gaggle of con-artists". I think you are either delusional or are bitter and twisted with an axe to grind and a hidden agenda. What's got up your nose?
@droceretik Nothing hidden about my agenda, but I do have an axe to grind. I've owned an Aprilia for 7 years, wthout a doubt the worst bike I've ever owned and Aprilia has the worst customer support of any company I've dealt with. The fact that I traded in a Ducati for the POS I'm cursed with now haunts me daily. And yes I was going to trade in the Aprilia last week (the $2700.- repair bill this spring was the last straw), but it broke down on the way to the Yamaha dealership. True story.
@TheOKTerrificable A bad bike is worse than a bad car as at least you can sit in a broken down car and listen to the radio while the tow truck arrives. However, one bike out of tens of thousands does not make a valid sample. Every bike and every car I've owned has some faults. I've owned 2 Suzuki & 3 Honda bikes, 4 Ford, 1 Honda, 1 GM, 1 Nissan and 1 Hillman car. The Hillman was a POS. That's why the manufacturer went out of business. 1 Thai built Honda bike was poorly built but I keep it going.
@droceretik True dat. But what's bad about Aprilia is the support. After Piaggio bought them out, they shut down the parts dept. for 6 months. It takes forever to get any type of part, but during that time NOTHING went out. And the dealership near me won't work on my bike because I didn't buy it there. I can't think of any other brand of bike that puts up with that kind of crap. Aprilia sucks.
Because I know the rider on the bike and the driver of the car I can set the record straight...the car was driven by an instructor at this track so I am sure he knows the right lines. The individual time tests-each on the course independently- put the Aprilia over 6 seconds ahead of the Nissan....I think that does it for now.
gotta admit the GTR did put up a great fight. But it is all about power to weight ratio so naturally a motorcycle(if you have the skill) should be able to be a car on any given day. What you trade is safety though lol.
The bike takes more skill and is more rewarding to ride fast.
The GT-R is four times the cost of the bike. How close would the race have been in a car costing the same as the bike? Or a bike costing the same as the car?
Can the bike hold 4 people? does it have a huge boot? Can it be driven in all weathers at insanely fast speeds? NO but the GT-R can. My mum's partner has one and they are great!!
@lLogiKGamingl How's that any different from asking, can the bike make ice-cream? Can the bike do your laundry? Can the bike dress you in the morning?
It isn't designed to do the things you're asking so those things are not negative aspects with regard to a motorcycle.
Bikes are generally faster than cars on straights. Cars, or at least performance cars are generally faster than bikes in the turns
@LowdenFretter My bike can make a real good cup of tea!!! Yeah completely agree. People who hates bike=people who are scared/can't do it.
An idiot can drive a car. Even to a certain degree of speed but a bike takes loads more skill even just to ride safe.
However on a day to day basis i love my car. Makes life so easier. All you want is a safe, reliable, comfy car (with a bit of poke) so you can spend more of fettling your bike!!
@LowdenFretter I am just stating that of course the bike it good but it's not very practical. Sure you can have fun on track days but wouldn't you rather get a car which can do both?
@lLogiKGamingl Well saying a car can do both is failing to mention that it would take a hell of a car with a hell of a price to have the same fun you can get with the average sports bike at a fraction of the cost. And most cars that could achieve that level of performance and fun aren't exactly practical for every day use either. To get the same performance from a car, you need to spend 3 to 4 times as much as you would for the bike. Here's an idea. Have a shitty car and an awesome bike :)
@lLogiKGamingl Yamaha R1 is about £9,000. Insanely fun at 185mph. Who cares if it's not practical. That leaves me £50k to go out and buy a very nice car also :)
@lLogiKGamingl Then why does Michael Schumacher own fast bikes as well as Mercedes? By your reasoning no one should own a bike as there is no reason to ride one. Bikes aren't blindingly fast and a huge adrenaline buzz? Great bang for buck? I own 2 cars and a bike. I ride my bike for excitement and pleasure. I drive my car to fetch the groceries and tow my trailer to the race track with my bike! Even my nanna could drive a GTR quick. Boring as batshit with all those electronics and auto shit.
@droceretik Just because Michael Schumacher drives Formula one cars for a living, doesn't mean he's not just like any normal human being to ride bikes aswell. Simple fact not everyone can drive the GTR quick, the only feature on the car which is easy to use is the dual clutch transmission. Its neither AWD or RWD but uses best of both systems and looses 25 % drivetrain loss to a normal 35% loss AWD system. Thats what the electronics are for not to drive for you.
@MasonTrance My point was that even a great F1 champion does not look down his nose at bikes like lLogiKGamingl appears to. He sees the great skill, satisfaction and excitement that comes with riding high performance motorcycles. He doesn't care about bang for buck because he could own any super-car he wants. Other F1 drivers are also bike fans such as Nick Heidfeld, Kimi Raikkonen, Sebastian Vettel, Ayrton Senna, David Coulthard, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jacky Ickx, Mika Hakkinen and Montoya.
@droceretik ahh at first i was i like this guys comment but too bad u still had to bash the gtr in it ... i mean sure driving a motorcycle extremely fast requires skill but to drive a gtr extremely fast u need skill too. maybe less skill but still plus theres plenty of cars around that dont have electronics and " auto shit " ?? also there are bikes out there with traction control abs and wheelie control so please enough about BIKE VS CAR just love both or love on of em but dont bash the other
Holy FU(K!!! The fact that the Nissan is even that close is AMAZING! I would have expected the Aprilia to be WAY ahead. The RSV4 is an amazing bike, and the GTR is an amazing car!!
@dkw12002 you are completely wrong...cars corner much better....this is a loaded test because of its size and lack of sharp bends...theres no curves on it. and whoever is driving it is useless on a track.
@TheChurchofElevation Not on a short curved track. The car would slide out and never get up speed. This track is designed for cars. Put that car on a go-kart track and it would slide off the track. Better yet, let me design a couple of severe s curves and the car couldn't keep up with a scooter.
The GTR could have saved 1s had he taken the right line at 1:15. Multiply that by 2, you have 2s. And maybe a few more seconds for all the lousy lines he took, he would have probably beaten that bike.
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nirvana0724 1 week ago
it all depends on the track plus an average car driver is way faster around the track then average bike rider on the same track but the average rider will have billion times more fun to do that so game over car you just too boring
a6km 2 weeks ago
@a6km The average car driver is fucking awful at driving. The "average" driver thinks of their car the same way they think about a toaster and spends less time thinking about driving than they do about how to use a TV remote.
The average rider gives a shit about what they're doing and is certainly going to be faster on damn near any track.
aluisious 1 week ago
Eat that Jerimy Clarkson!
u941812 1 month ago 2
nice video.......fair game
ztinny1990 2 months ago
ha, try again cars.
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Mr11SONY11 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA OF COURSE THE F1 CARD CAME BY.. thats just typical fucking faggot car LOSERS , lives in DENIAL..cant understand why the best car in the world on a REAL circiut got his as PWNED!! this is a STOCK bike with lights on it.. so NO sbk and NO gp,bike so fuck off... this is the third time this year that bike have beat the GTR and bmw s1000rr have beat it one time driven by a GT champion LOLLOLOLOLOL... 3 times in one year what more do you want??? its even a car track with few straights LOL
rottepung666 3 months ago
@rottepung666 It depends on the driver, it is infact almost a two tonne car with 485 HP, both of these vehicles are stock you imbecil, so how can you really compare. I think it's you thats in denial that you're getting angry over a video. It's not the best car in the world, so where you got that from is beyond me. In this video everytime the GTR gets close, he's letting go of the accelerator trying not to knock off the guy on the bike. It's a known fact cars handle better..
MasonTrance 3 months ago
@MasonTrance yes we saw that by the independent lap times LOL.. search for ducati 1198 vs Ferrari 458italia, ferrari scuderia vs desmos ducati, R6 vs GT rigged porsche, bmw s1000rr vs GTR, suzuki gsx-r1000 vs carting car, lambo superleggera vs ducati, gallardo vs 999 ducati shall i go on fucktard?
rottepung666 3 months ago
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Hey you tough-Nissan driver, go with the bike and compare car MTT y2k))))
biplane89 4 months ago
@All ...
You wanna know a bike that acelerates faster than a F1 car? Yes, an electric bike does 0 to 100 km/h in 1 second (or 0 to 60mph). I didn't believe till I saw it. Anyway is not race legal or anything like that, but must be fastest acelerating vehicle I know. Killacycle. But its a bit stupid to compare a 1.000.000 a race F1 car to a 10.000 bucks bike. With 900.000 bucks you could a freaking space rocket and win the race no? The Bike won this one, swallow it and move on. Cars win other.
DinhoPilot 4 months ago
@DinhoPilot That might be believable, but you fail to mention that electric bikes have a top speed of about 120 mph.
ZimZam205 3 months ago
hah! bike beat carppy jap
JVL8701 4 months ago
Bike 1 car 0 lol bikes win end of story!!!!
Piplikesbmx 4 months ago
Bikes cannot accelerate (or at least ordinary stock street bikes) as fast as an F1 car, but the difference isn't by much, especially when you consider 230 hp race bikes that weigh 350 lbs.
sonicnofadz 4 months ago
Despite all of the misinformation on youtube, cars don't really corner faster than bikes (except F1 open wheel race cars, but those arent really cars). Cars do however brake MUCH faster than bikes do, because a motorcycle only has a tiny wheel base and will flip over if you grab too much brake. Bikes have the acceleration of an F1 race car, which is why they have faster lap times than ALL production vehicles in existence.
sonicnofadz 4 months ago
@sonicnofadz Aceleration of an F1 race car LOL .F1 accelerate 0-200 kph less than 3 sec.No production bike cant ewen close to that.
toniiii9 4 months ago
@toniiii9 haha 0-200 kph in less than 3 seconds, the crack you are smoking must be 100% pure grade. Seen plenty of videos of F1 cars at the drag strip doing 9s
sonicnofadz 4 months ago
@sonicnofadz Alain Prost pilot 1993 Wiliams F1 Car measurement of pituitary 0-402 m 7,2 sec 305 kph.When you dont know something shut up.If you realy belive that one serial stock bike accelerate like F1 Car than you are really stuppid AND YOU DONT KNOW MUTCH ABOUT MOTOSPORT.Ewen racing MOTO GP bike can,t accelerate like F1 LOL.
toniiii9 4 months ago
@toniiii9 Thing is 5th Gear even done a test between a F1 Racing Car VS Moto GP Bike VS Racing Boat. Theres no possible way a bike can match the accelaration of an F1 car. The guys also put new sticker tires aswell as lengthend the wheel base a few milli-metres to help improve the grip and provent the front end from lifting. Lets say the GP lost asoon as they left the start line. LOL
youtube.com/watch?v=hN57SzWhJFA
MasonTrance 4 months ago
@MasonTrance Of course,but some kids think that their stock serial bike accelerate like F1 car LOOOOOOL.Moto GP bike is mutch powerfool and lighter than any stock bike but when you compare moto GP with F1 it is like Russian Volga looool.
toniiii9 4 months ago
@toniiii9
Formula 1 cars aren't really cars...... They're massive go-karts.
macca1088 4 months ago
@toniiii9 mutch powerfool
That's the best comment I ever saw on YT....!
DJMK3B 3 months ago
@DJMK3B Sorry for my bad english.Moto GP bikes have 240 hp and weight 150kg.Witch serial bike have that performance?And moto gp bikes still cant accelerate like F1 cars.Dont be stuppid.Serial bike is tractor for open wheel cars.
toniiii9 3 months ago
@MasonTrance You dumb fool, that's not a MotoGP bike. That's a WSB bike. Big ass difference.
TurboNosHayabusa1 4 months ago
@MasonTrance that wasnt a GP bike but an SBK (supertuned prodyction bike), GP bikes are faster than that
blade57hrc 3 months ago
@MasonTrance It wasn't a MotoGp bike. It was a modded production superbike with British superbike champion. Where did you see lengthening wheelbase and stickier tyres?
Look up Ricky Gadson on YouTube and you will see stock Kawasakis have run low 9's and slightly modded, high 8's. MotoGp does indeed have equal or superior acceleration to F1. That is why on some circuits the bikes enter a straight slower but end up with a higher top speed. Of course F1 kills bikes under brakes and through turns.
droceretik 3 months ago
@droceretik yes Motogp bikes have better acceleration then F1 cars here you are absolutely spot on @ EVERY circiut you compare them the bikes enter the start of the straight @ 50-60kph less and the formula 1 car and they have 300meter more to accelerate since it`s insane brakes but the bikes has 20-30kph more top speed @ the end of the straight.. @ Catalunya track F1 cars brake @ 1000meters and Motogp bike @ 650 meters... but this is NO BSB bike it got headlight and mirror and 180bhp is STOCK...
rottepung666 3 months ago
@rottepung666 I didn't write that it was a BSB, I wrote modded production superbike, i.e. a Honda 1000RR Fireblade, ridden by a BSB champion. However, good comments.
droceretik 3 months ago
@droceretik ahh ok ok my bad i taught you ment "that exact aprillia was the BSB champ bike LOL" another thing is that they hit 8.75 @160mph on a bmw s1000rr Jamie Teasley... the bike is 100% stock they only lowered it.. but find me a car that does this in stock form..they can even use cheating slicks they would still look dumb!!!! the world record for production car is the Ultima GTR witch hit 9.945sec@143mph it`s right under a ton and have 720bhp and comes with semi-slicks LOL.
rottepung666 3 months ago
@droceretik we can question doh if it`s really a car.. looks like a fucking mini LE`mans car..
rottepung666 3 months ago
@rottepung666 The R35 sure is an amazing piece of engineering but it is heavy and has so many electronic gizmos that take away the need for the driver to do much except steer, accelerate and brake. If I bought one I think I would become bored. Most drivers could extract mid 11 second passes. It lacks the visceral stimulation compared to bikes and the skills needed and rewards from getting it right. IMO R35 = 70% car, 30% driver. Bike = 70% rider 30% bike. Driven an R35, no but read many tests.
droceretik 2 months ago
@droceretik i was wondering the same thing?? i want to buy a Nissan GTR or Lambo Gallardo and i was thinking if i would get bored?? but i love acceleration and gizmos hehe.. and if you tune a gtr or a lambo they launch like a mother fucker... and yes to drive a car is not even close to ride a bike.. that freedom you feel when you saddle up and just go,don`t know where you`re going but you just keep riding and riding with a big fat fucking smile on your face.. yea thats riding!!!
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 sure all true but what about that feeling u get in a high performance luxury car... its not just about riding fast. if u think u will get bored when u buy a nissan gtr or gallardo then maybe u shouldnt be stop by a doctor. everybody is talking about the whole feeling when on a bike but they forget the whole feeling about a car.
dvcbuis 1 month ago
@dvcbuis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..you think that driving a car is as exciting as riding a bike the knee down the wheelies the acceleration the freedom feeling you get when you saddle up the wind around you the tension of speed, wind etc.you think all that is more boring then sit in door with 4 big patches and A LOT of gizmos that does the talking for you.. even a Ferrari 458italia dosn`t come close..ask ANY ppl that like both like my self..
rottepung666 1 month ago
@dvcbuis and my friend owns a zr1 that was nothing COMPARED believe me.. and thats a rather fun car witch you can drive sideways more then straight forward if you want..PS: i love cars as well but ask ppl that don`t care so much or lets say ask ppl that can separat the two from each other... they will all say the same..
rottepung666 1 month ago
@droceretik and what i wanted to say is.. i feel good about gizmos on the streets because they can save you if your made a mistake.. i am a more on a track guy now.. i used to ride my Gsx-R 1000 K5 with 235bhp 202rwhp 132rwNM and 187.5kg fully fueled on the streets and that is a monster to have without TC so it have take my head off many times almost got me quitting bike riding..LOL
rottepung666 2 months ago
@rottepung666 how did you change 176bhp to either of those figures?
davidwest99 1 month ago
@davidwest99 178bhp =))) it`s a rather looooong list C",) but what i can say is that it`s ALL motor/engine.. NO charger NO turbo NO nos i have nos in my garage but i never installed it.. THANK GOD FOR THAT LOL C",)
rottepung666 1 month ago
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toniiii9 3 months ago
@sonicnofadz If you realu think that stock serial bike accelerate like F1 car than you are realy stuppid.LOL
toniiii9 3 months ago 5
The 2010 GT-R has 485bhp rather than the 530bhp Aprilla stated. 530bhp is only produced from the 2012 GT-R as is the $89,950 price they quoted.
sford01 4 months ago
this test was done in the uk recently and had very similar results
paulturton27 4 months ago
I love my RSV4!!!
RETICS1 4 months ago
one of my favorite cars paired with my favorite bike
SolarGamer 5 months ago
It sounds like a lot of you don't even ride. Cars can corner and brake way harder than bikes (generally speaking). It's pretty damn impressive that this bike can do what it did against such an awesome car. And stop bitching about the APRC, that can all be toggled off and is amazing tech. By your logic the GRT should have a 4 speed stick shift with a standard gearbox, RWD, and an open dif. Don't be fucking stupid. Aprilia gets my vote for this one.
darwin604 5 months ago
@darwin604 Some drivers of some cars can brake and corner harder than some riders on some bikes. Generally speaking high performance cars such as the Porsche GT3, BMW M3 and Ferrari F430 can brake deeper and have higher corner speed at low and medium speeds ( 30 - 70 mph) but are similar at high speed cornering. High performance cars like the aformentioned are better at directional changes in a series of bends than bikes but bikes win on witches hat tests. "Way harder"....rubbish. F1 yeh sure.
droceretik 5 months ago
No launch control used on the gt-r?
pingpongyul 5 months ago
Problem with this compararison is Nissan is a real company with customer support and a working product, Aprilia is just a gaggle of con-artists with business school degrees & phone numbers to factories in Austria & China.
TheOKTerrificable 6 months ago
@TheOKTerrificable Huh? I thought it was a well established Italian motorcycle manufacturer with history back to 1949. I think you should explain how Aprilia, with dealers in over 70 countries and well established manufacturing facilities in Italy and over 1,000 employees can be "just a gaggle of con-artists". I think you are either delusional or are bitter and twisted with an axe to grind and a hidden agenda. What's got up your nose?
droceretik 5 months ago
@droceretik Nothing hidden about my agenda, but I do have an axe to grind. I've owned an Aprilia for 7 years, wthout a doubt the worst bike I've ever owned and Aprilia has the worst customer support of any company I've dealt with. The fact that I traded in a Ducati for the POS I'm cursed with now haunts me daily. And yes I was going to trade in the Aprilia last week (the $2700.- repair bill this spring was the last straw), but it broke down on the way to the Yamaha dealership. True story.
TheOKTerrificable 5 months ago
@TheOKTerrificable A bad bike is worse than a bad car as at least you can sit in a broken down car and listen to the radio while the tow truck arrives. However, one bike out of tens of thousands does not make a valid sample. Every bike and every car I've owned has some faults. I've owned 2 Suzuki & 3 Honda bikes, 4 Ford, 1 Honda, 1 GM, 1 Nissan and 1 Hillman car. The Hillman was a POS. That's why the manufacturer went out of business. 1 Thai built Honda bike was poorly built but I keep it going.
droceretik 5 months ago
@droceretik True dat. But what's bad about Aprilia is the support. After Piaggio bought them out, they shut down the parts dept. for 6 months. It takes forever to get any type of part, but during that time NOTHING went out. And the dealership near me won't work on my bike because I didn't buy it there. I can't think of any other brand of bike that puts up with that kind of crap. Aprilia sucks.
TheOKTerrificable 5 months ago
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93 must not be able to ride a bike.
creaturecore13 6 months ago
93 must not be able to ride a bike.
creaturecore13 6 months ago
後部座席なしのバイクはこれしかねーんだ
haginosii111 6 months ago
Because I know the rider on the bike and the driver of the car I can set the record straight...the car was driven by an instructor at this track so I am sure he knows the right lines. The individual time tests-each on the course independently- put the Aprilia over 6 seconds ahead of the Nissan....I think that does it for now.
DucChic 6 months ago
hahaha ciao ciao nissanXD....made in italy
moneymansr 6 months ago
gotta admit the GTR did put up a great fight. But it is all about power to weight ratio so naturally a motorcycle(if you have the skill) should be able to be a car on any given day. What you trade is safety though lol.
shadowtsunami 6 months ago
Nissan suck my dick ! Aprilia is my Bike ! Fuck Japan !
HDSportster883R 6 months ago
I have a fast car and a fast bike.
The bike takes more skill and is more rewarding to ride fast.
The GT-R is four times the cost of the bike. How close would the race have been in a car costing the same as the bike? Or a bike costing the same as the car?
ooMyGuinnesSoo 6 months ago
Can the bike hold 4 people? does it have a huge boot? Can it be driven in all weathers at insanely fast speeds? NO but the GT-R can. My mum's partner has one and they are great!!
lLogiKGamingl 7 months ago
@lLogiKGamingl How's that any different from asking, can the bike make ice-cream? Can the bike do your laundry? Can the bike dress you in the morning?
It isn't designed to do the things you're asking so those things are not negative aspects with regard to a motorcycle.
Bikes are generally faster than cars on straights. Cars, or at least performance cars are generally faster than bikes in the turns
LowdenFretter 6 months ago
@LowdenFretter My bike can make a real good cup of tea!!! Yeah completely agree. People who hates bike=people who are scared/can't do it.
An idiot can drive a car. Even to a certain degree of speed but a bike takes loads more skill even just to ride safe.
However on a day to day basis i love my car. Makes life so easier. All you want is a safe, reliable, comfy car (with a bit of poke) so you can spend more of fettling your bike!!
acbyrne21 6 months ago
@LowdenFretter I am just stating that of course the bike it good but it's not very practical. Sure you can have fun on track days but wouldn't you rather get a car which can do both?
lLogiKGamingl 6 months ago
@lLogiKGamingl Well saying a car can do both is failing to mention that it would take a hell of a car with a hell of a price to have the same fun you can get with the average sports bike at a fraction of the cost. And most cars that could achieve that level of performance and fun aren't exactly practical for every day use either. To get the same performance from a car, you need to spend 3 to 4 times as much as you would for the bike. Here's an idea. Have a shitty car and an awesome bike :)
LowdenFretter 6 months ago
@LowdenFretter Nissan GT-R is about £60,000. It's very practical and insanely fun to be in when doing 180MPH :)
lLogiKGamingl 6 months ago
@lLogiKGamingl Yamaha R1 is about £9,000. Insanely fun at 185mph. Who cares if it's not practical. That leaves me £50k to go out and buy a very nice car also :)
LowdenFretter 6 months ago
@lLogiKGamingl Then why does Michael Schumacher own fast bikes as well as Mercedes? By your reasoning no one should own a bike as there is no reason to ride one. Bikes aren't blindingly fast and a huge adrenaline buzz? Great bang for buck? I own 2 cars and a bike. I ride my bike for excitement and pleasure. I drive my car to fetch the groceries and tow my trailer to the race track with my bike! Even my nanna could drive a GTR quick. Boring as batshit with all those electronics and auto shit.
droceretik 5 months ago 19
@droceretik Just because Michael Schumacher drives Formula one cars for a living, doesn't mean he's not just like any normal human being to ride bikes aswell. Simple fact not everyone can drive the GTR quick, the only feature on the car which is easy to use is the dual clutch transmission. Its neither AWD or RWD but uses best of both systems and looses 25 % drivetrain loss to a normal 35% loss AWD system. Thats what the electronics are for not to drive for you.
FAIL
MasonTrance 3 months ago
@MasonTrance My point was that even a great F1 champion does not look down his nose at bikes like lLogiKGamingl appears to. He sees the great skill, satisfaction and excitement that comes with riding high performance motorcycles. He doesn't care about bang for buck because he could own any super-car he wants. Other F1 drivers are also bike fans such as Nick Heidfeld, Kimi Raikkonen, Sebastian Vettel, Ayrton Senna, David Coulthard, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jacky Ickx, Mika Hakkinen and Montoya.
droceretik 3 months ago
@droceretik ahh at first i was i like this guys comment but too bad u still had to bash the gtr in it ... i mean sure driving a motorcycle extremely fast requires skill but to drive a gtr extremely fast u need skill too. maybe less skill but still plus theres plenty of cars around that dont have electronics and " auto shit " ?? also there are bikes out there with traction control abs and wheelie control so please enough about BIKE VS CAR just love both or love on of em but dont bash the other
dvcbuis 1 month ago
@droceretik not to mention 1/4 the price.
CannonRoadPilot 3 weeks ago
If both vehicles are stock then the Aprilia should be the base model RSV4. Not factory nor APRC SE.
QuiKNiK80 7 months ago
Saw that coming... Of course bikes are faster then cars. Unless a car can break the law of physics.
Seven7swords 7 months ago
93 people ride bicycles
Schmickalicious 7 months ago
I'll take both.
TheXBLEST 7 months ago
I love this vidéo, she's right
fyherfox 7 months ago
I love this vidéo, the aprilia is the best
fyherfox 7 months ago
Holy FU(K!!! The fact that the Nissan is even that close is AMAZING! I would have expected the Aprilia to be WAY ahead. The RSV4 is an amazing bike, and the GTR is an amazing car!!
mrbadass03 7 months ago
HONDA and YAMAHA are battling ahead of aprilia.
Xxkunio920xX 7 months ago
@Xxkunio920xX
fuck off will ya!!
rama6maiden 7 months ago
Ofcourse bikes are always faster than cars
carsforevermike 7 months ago
@carsforevermike Around turns but not when it comes to pure speed
theonlylolking 7 months ago
@carsforevermike not really. The new GTR already beats Aprilia RSV4 since it's at least 3 secs faster than the old model
toure7 7 months ago
@toure7 Haha Yeah im lovin the 2012 R35
carsforevermike 7 months ago
バイクが勝てた原因の一つは
小回りの多いコース、Rの小さいコース、長い直線が少ないからだと
思います。
kobainn658 7 months ago
the car had to alter its lines to avoid the bike. Times need to be set individually
Jetkillr 7 months ago
Given enough tight turns, such as a go-cart track, you could beat the car with a 50 cc scooter. Bikes just corner better than cars...lots better.
dkw12002 7 months ago
@dkw12002 Yes, if you are in extreme tight corners then you might be correct. But in normal Cars are faster in Corners and their Laptimes are too.
SaidMofo 7 months ago
@dkw12002 you are completely wrong...cars corner much better....this is a loaded test because of its size and lack of sharp bends...theres no curves on it. and whoever is driving it is useless on a track.
TheChurchofElevation 7 months ago
@TheChurchofElevation Not on a short curved track. The car would slide out and never get up speed. This track is designed for cars. Put that car on a go-kart track and it would slide off the track. Better yet, let me design a couple of severe s curves and the car couldn't keep up with a scooter.
dkw12002 7 months ago
The GTR could have saved 1s had he taken the right line at 1:15. Multiply that by 2, you have 2s. And maybe a few more seconds for all the lousy lines he took, he would have probably beaten that bike.
Just saying.
Domineeeeeeeek 7 months ago
86 gtr fans do not agree
LigerZero1985 7 months ago
ホンダもCBR1000RRとガチンコ勝負できる自社４輪車を出さなきゃね
Azure2001 7 months ago
や．ら．せ
l7105160 7 months ago
all japanese people with gtr made up the 86 dislikes and whut thuh hayell is that chicken scratch all over the comments
Vortech1cobra 8 months ago
サーキット対決と銘打ってガチンコ勝負するなら、例えばニュルブルクリンク等の世界標準的なメジャーなサーキットで勝負してほしい。バイクが有利なコースをわざわざ選んで勝負しているのは、バイクの宣伝の為でしょう。そんな勝負に一喜一憂していても始まらないと思います。マスコミは、まんまと利用されているだけだ。
kuny9211 8 months ago
lol I can't read the scribbly letters on this page
chbrules 8 months ago
GT-Rが一気にぶっちぎられて終わるかと思いきや、途中で抜かしてるんだよなぁ
その後もGT-Rが巻き込まないよう気を使ってるように見えるし、撮り方も演出臭いし出来レースにしか見えない
vsなんて付けないほうが良かったんじゃね？てかこれレースなの？
nurupoful 8 months ago
ホンダとヤマハ THE BEST
FUCK italian gay bike
and ducati suck in motoGP
l7105160 8 months ago
１周0.9マイル＝1.44kmのマッシュルームのようなコースを２周(0:29～0:34)、見た感じタイトめのコーナーが６か所、若干のアップダウンあり。
アプリリアは、市販車だけど明らかなワークスチューンモデル。
対するＧＴ－Ｒは、どノーマルモデル。
直線が少ないコースじゃ、タイムアタックでも2.5秒の差（アプリリア：1分10秒7，ＧＴ－Ｒ：1分13秒2）は出るでしょ。
映像自体はアプリリアUSAのad（つまりＣＭ）なので、速そうに見えるものに編集されている『やらせ』なのはあたりまえ。結構きれいな映像だから、それでよしとしましょうよ。
atshkano 8 months ago
アプリリアは好きなんだけどね
このコースだと直線なさ過ぎてGT-Rには不利でしょ
というかそれでも3秒差しかつかないのか･･･ GT-R速いなぁ
19870120 8 months ago 3
所詮車はバイクに勝てない（笑）
nihonn0125 8 months ago
次のＧＴ-Ｒはもっとかっこいい車にしてほしい！！
koji846kid 8 months ago
ヤラセでも構わないが、国際単位を使え！
Don't use fuckin' unit feet, mile, inch ...
Use the international and scientific unit, "METER"
kaztima109 8 months ago
ジョーク動画に釣られすぎ
2267mcj 8 months ago
宣伝乙
liar44mag 8 months ago
バイクを轢いてしまわないようにGTR側が気を使っている感じがする。
nave1204 8 months ago
コース設定が車重のある車に不利に設定されているし二輪が勝って当たり前
ＧＴＲがあれだけのタイムを出したのは良い性能の証明です
.
逆にアプリリアはこんな怪しい映像を作って評判を下げるだけです
経営状態が思わしくなくて必死なんですかね〔笑〕
y117y 8 months ago
茶番劇だね！！ＤＱＮ
kktkaoru 8 months ago
真面目なパフォーマンスデモという感じより、美しい動画という感じで楽しめました。
aicellopack 8 months ago
A bike beat a car. Not really a surprise. Grats to the GTR for keeping up though.
maxtetsuo 8 months ago
2輪なんてコーナーじゃウンコ
liveinjapan777 8 months ago
最後日産のロゴが出たら面白かったのに
MrGyoda 8 months ago
アプリリアは足回りがちゃんとしてる。
GT-Rはフニャフニャｗ
日本の厳しい規制の中で作られたGT-Rが不利なのは当然ｗ
でも 面白いから良いんじゃないｗ
PROTOTYPE799 8 months ago
車と対戦して、バイクの性能の参考になるでしょうか？
バイクの宣伝なら、他社などの同クラスのバイクと再選した方がいいのでは？
これではGT-Rがさらしものになってしまい残念です。
joe778100 8 months ago 3
GT-Rが認められてるって事なのかな？
okawarichang1 8 months ago 3
HONDAとYAMAHAの2秒前で川崎と鈴木が変態バトルしてます。
SOCOM0023 8 months ago
あのＦ１とジェット戦闘機の対決もあったね。
互角だった。直線だけど。
バイクはコーナーが断然速いので話ならないでしょう。
amp3cx10000a7jp 8 months ago
イタリアっぽいな(笑)本気にする人がバカなんだよ～ってね。
anotherway2 8 months ago
バイク乗りだが、こんな茶番やってるアプリリアが嫌いになった。
0721urai 8 months ago 4
nonsense
reonwo 8 months ago 3
GTRも４シーター、オーディオにエアコン、質感を出すための内装素材、他色々と重量をかさむのが車です。バイクより快適に乗れます。個人的にまったくベクトルが違うと思います。
あの４００ｋｍオーバーも出せるベイロンでさえ例外ではありません。
たとえばニュルで対決してみるのも面白いかも。
でもバイクに近いベクトルはフォーミュラーカーかと。
dedekun1 8 months ago
こんな小さな車体に２００馬力近いエンジンなんて
狂気の沙汰です
MrNingenbakudan 8 months ago
タイムアタックの方がいいんじゃないですか？
nc35rr 8 months ago 4
カテゴリーの違う車両でサーキットで競うのは危険です。まして2輪と
４輪ではラインも違うしブレーキングポイントもコーナースピードも
違うし。ちなみにおれはバイク乗りだけどこの動画の車両はどちらもよだれが
でるほど欲しいです。合わせて１０００万円以上。買えねー！
udondaisukiponpon 8 months ago
0分48秒を見れば分かる。RSV4のライダーは遊んでいる。
0分51秒でGT-Rが完全にラインを外している。
茶番だね。
tomio7777 8 months ago
こんなレースは成り立たない。四輪側は危なくて遠慮するし。やるなら直線。
hanaban44 8 months ago 3
2輪とやるべき。
はっきり言って、Rとじゃ比較になってない。
このコースじゃRがかわいそすぎる。
Rとやるんなら、湾岸とかアウトバーンでやらないと。
hamugi 8 months ago 3
APRILLIAの5秒前でHONDAとYAMAHAがデッドヒートしてます。
kanribu 8 months ago 32
直線ではどっちに軍配が上がるんだろう？
nicotine1255 8 months ago
だって、しょせんＧＴ－Ｒなんてヘタクソでもある程度なら速く走れる“プアマンズ・スーパーカー”なんだもの。
だれでも速く走れるということは、裏を返せば上手い人間が乗ってもある程度の速さでしか走れないって事。
AmatukiYuu 8 months ago
コース見れば動画見る前から結果はわかるわな。
こいつじゃなくても20年以上前の2スト250でも勝てると思う。
こんなストレートが短い周回コース（サーキットとはいえない）で
2ｔ近い４輪は立ち上がりが不利だろ。
本格コースでやってみろ、Ｒの圧勝だぞこれ。
マシンが素晴らしいのは認めるが、これはないわさすがに。
CB750FCKEI 8 months ago
ホンダとヤマハのバイクとガチンコ勝負の動画じゃダメなのか？？
やらせ臭くてドン引きした。
wakasugi2008 8 months ago 14
バイクのほうが厳しいコーナーを速く抜けれるんじゃない？
それにこんな狭かったら車のほうが圧倒的不利だろ
オーバルサーキットで戦ってたら多分GT-Rの圧勝だったろうに
kenq9 8 months ago
nokinokiroa9091 8 months ago
GT-R is the always strongest!!
dawnhir 8 months ago
ほんまに～？
kunitan24 8 months ago
なんだか知らんが西部警察を思い出した。
atdb3sonetnejp 8 months ago
ふざけんな！！
papuruful 8 months ago
こんな狭いとこで対決させんなｗｗｗｗｗ
kagakona0325 8 months ago
表示タイムは本気アタックだろうけど、映像はパフォーマンス。
インは空いてるし、真剣に走ってる映像見せてほしい。
外国のバトルはいつも面白くない。
ベスモみたく、しっかりガチで勝負した映像を見せてほしい。
プロモーション映像はイラネー
kanihonpo 8 months ago 2
土俵が違うよね。 どっちも速いね。
yossuy3122 8 months ago
コースに依るわな
yokochaso 8 months ago
If it is Nissan Ad then GTR will win but this is Aprilia ad so RSV4 will win for sure.
RSV4 can win even against F1 car for ad..
oy88yo 8 months ago
くだらん
bakki328 8 months ago
GT-Rは都内の渋滞もサーキットでも走れるけど、RSV4 は都内の渋滞はおろか普通のちょっとした混んだ道も走れないよ。ファンがガンガンまわってバッテリが心配になってしまうほど。
ネタ映像だし2輪が4輪に速さで勝るステージはピンポイントでしかないから、勝ち勝負ならこのコースレイアウトでもRSV4 が勝てるとは到底思えない。
bobolink0123 8 months ago
これを観ての感想？
GTRに乗りたくなった。 それだけ。
bululunlun 8 months ago
あーでもねーとか
こーでもねーとか言わずにさ、
アプリリア面白いねって、速いねって、バイクはいいよねって、それでいいじゃん？
速いも一興。遅いも一興だと思うよ。
sosato123 8 months ago 3
誰か外人のコメント達を訳してくれよ！
agdmgg 8 months ago
1台ずつ走れ
ライン譲り合って走ったタイムに意味なし
individuallty 8 months ago
コーナリングスピードか、そうだね！
でも、面白いじゃん。
４輪を凌駕する２輪なんて、あったら面白そうじゃない？
４輪の速さを知ってる人も沢山いるので、これ位笑って許せば？？
mohtyan1 8 months ago
Apriliaって以前にもBMW S1000 RRのテーブルクロス引きCMを小馬鹿にした
CMを作ったぐらいだから今回のもどうせネタでしょ。
最後のApriliaのロゴで「またお前かｗｗ」と軽くツッコミ入れる程度のネタかと
himekohp 8 months ago
やはり2輪同士の闘いを見てみたかった・・・
HONDA CRF250Rスーパーモタードあたりとバトルしてほしかった・・・
guraberu555 8 months ago
普通常識的に２輪のコーナリングスピードってのは４輪よりもはるかに遅い。筑波や鈴鹿のラップタイムなんかを比較すりゃ一目瞭然の話で、４輪の市販車の方がレース使用の２輪よりもはるかに速いって現実がある。２輪を馬鹿にするわけじゃない、私は２輪も大好きだ。でもこれは中低速コーナーメインのコースレイアウトで、４輪は一度抜かれると、２輪相手では危ないし安全面を考えると抜き用がない。突っ込み、コーナリングスピードの４輪と立ち上がり加速の２輪ではいくら突っ込みで追いついても抜くラインがなければ普段以上に減速せざるをえず、立ち上がりではいくらGT-Rでも２輪には及ばない。うさぎと亀方式でバトルすれば、GT-R先行の時にチギルだろうし、別々にタイムアタックしてもRの方がタイム出るだろう。まぁ・・コースレイアウト的にどっこいかもしれないが・・。あ、重いしとか書いてる人もいるようだけど、コーナリングスピードで４輪が２輪に負ける事はまずありませんよ＾＾
masa926ki 8 months ago
@masa926ki
サラッと嘘を織り交ぜちゃあいけません。市販車ベースの箱車のコーナースピード、はるかに速いなんて無いですよ。
どちらかレース参加してますか？
筑波、鈴鹿も例外がフォーミュラマシンであって、箱車のラップタイムは拮抗しているか、市販車ベースのバイクに負けていますよ。
タイムはWebで見れます。
kutakan 8 months ago
@kutakan ええ？今はそうなんですか？昔ベストバイクか何かで読んだ記事によると、バイクのF3とかF1クラスでも市販の４輪よりもタイムがはるかに劣ってた（確かその記事は筑波）のを見てかなりへ～～！って思ってたんですが。今はと言うよりも単なる僕の記憶違いで昔から拮抗してたんでしょうか？いや、でもその記事では結局コーナリングスピードによってバイクで車に勝つのは難しい的な締めだったと思うんで記憶違いはおきにくい内容だったと思うんだけど；；；でもまあ、事実を捻じ曲げてまで主張するつもりも理由もないんで、現在がそうであるのなら（昔も？？？笑）、むしろご指摘感謝します；；間違った認識を持つ人がいたらいけないですからね；；（僕のように）２０年ほど前の話しなんで、昔だと４輪のタイムの方が速かったのかちょっとだけググッてみます；；ちなみに、元レース関係大好きでメカニック志望だっただけで実際にレースやサーキットランはやってないです。スペンサーとかマモラとか好きでした！って、世代が違いますかね？ともかくご指摘どうも！
masa926ki 8 months ago
日産はアプリリアUSAを告訴すべき。
Futakotome 8 months ago 4
まぁしょうがないんじゃないか？
重いしカーブで横滑り防止装置が働いているんでしょ。
タイヤもノーマルっぽい。
それ以前にコースで勝敗が決している気もするが。
morimori1703 8 months ago
バイク同士で勝負しろ！なさけねぇCMつくるんじゃね。
Rotary6PI 8 months ago in playlist Motors
最後まで見てしまったけど、そりゃアプリリアの宣伝なんだから
アプリリアが勝つだろ。GTRが譲ってるようにも見えるし
hanakindateland2000 8 months ago 2
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hanakindateland2000 8 months ago
Ｆ１のレッドブルと勝負して欲しいよね～勝てないだろうけど。
tomtom930 8 months ago