I agree with you, Sir. The heart of this austerity crap lie in the United States. My government and Supreme Court are to blame for this world wide crush on humanity.
The people involved in these riots had all same opportunities as everyone else who's been through the public education system. They decided not to take those opportunities and now find themselves in a situation where many of them are simply unemployable. Not only from a skills point-of-view but from an attitude point-of-view as well. There simply is no work ethic in many of these people.
You are just trying to divert from the real causes and problems, this was a consequence of multiculturalism, you know that this can never happen in a country with national identity and unity, when you destroy the nation this is what you get, youth without goal's and without will to make their community a better place.
Your knowledge of history seems a little shaky. Civil unrest was not unheard of in the time before multiculturalism became a fact of life.
You receive 100 EyeSpy points for looking into it for five fucking minutes, coming back here and saying something along the lines of, "Oh yeah, sorry, I see what you mean. It isn't a contemporary phenomenon and I apologise for jumping to hasty and ill considered conclusions because of an inherent bigotry."
@gabiotta This kind of civil unrest never happened in Europe before multiculturalism, not even in ancient Rome, the looters were always an foreign army, that's a fact. And you picked a wrong subject to debate me, history is my passion. =)
I have not picked a subject. You are already leaving loopholes in your comment as escape routes for your faulty and biased reasoning. "Kind" of civil unrest?
Shall we start in the years before the French Revolution? Or was that the fault of multiculturalism?
@gabiotta In French Revoulution they were stealing weapons that they needed for revolution from rich people and the monarchy, they never looted from their neighbours and from normal citizens.
What loopholes? You can check my channel and you will see that history is my passion, saying that is not a loophole, if you are passionate about a think talk about it, right?
The loophole I was pointing out was "kind" of unrest. You will always be able to find points of difference because you are looking to fit this to your hypothesis.
You can misdirect by citing weapons collection (a thing that isn't really possible in a modern context) and i can easily counter by likening the financial crisis in France that led to mass dissatisfaction and spontaneous violence.
The real point is that these riots are characterised by poverty and not race.
@gabiotta You are destroying yourself, the crisis in France was also caused by multicultularism, it was the most similar event to london riots, both event's were caused by multicultularism and they are both recent, in 2500 years of european history, both those event's happened in last few years in multicultural societies(England and France both have over 10% of muslim population and over 10% of blacks). That is appearntly the critical mass needed for this kind of looting.
@gabiotta I might haven't been clear because english is like my 3rd language, anyway in my last post i was talking about the 2005 civil unrest in France, not about the revolution. And i'm not saying it's a race think, i'm saying it's a culture think. There is no history of events like that in European culture until recent years, the 2005 civil unrest in France and 2011 England riots have no precedens in 2500 years of European history.
So what we are left with is a big fat correlation/causation fallacy.
If there are no precedents, which of course there are - you just dismiss them because they don't fit your hypothesis, then you don't have enough data to draw a conclusion.
We are back to the beginning, your appeal to your own perceived authority discredited and backtracked upon...
Civil unrest was not unheard of in the time before multiculturalism became a fact of life.
I think what they need is to get some focus and that's the problem they are angry and don't know how to express that anger in a way that will give them what they want. People are protest retarded becuase they fear so much being black listed they have no idea how to do a proper protest that would actually work. So I thing partly they need to be educated on that.
@gabiotta I have seen in other instances that people often lash out AFTER proper protest has failed. But teenagers DO lack the life experiences of just how to protest and to whom.
I dont advocate violence - all other avenues MUST be exhausted first. But usually the "opposition" will be uncooperative and force it to happen. Thats why I video the local pigs and report them to cogressmen lol instead of shooting them (that parts a joke). No we have a system with ways to deal with things thats WORKS if we use it.
Its good to hear someone who has a clear vew of the problems bringing this on. I am an activist (copwatchellensburg) and totally understand it all. please check my channel and thanks for speaking up.
...and YOU my friend have the gift of GAB! <<see what I did there? lol I have to agree with you. Glad to find somebody that looks further into things than what's just on the surface. ;) When you take away what little people already [don't] have, this is what creates this sort of anger. Remember, Remember....
Good video. The crucial thing about Thatcher was that she and Reagan decided to implement a massive economic experiment. They got rid of the watchdogs, freed up capital to move wherever the speculators wanted. Along came Tony Blair and his thieving crowd, raided all the pension schemes and destroyed them and made it clear that saving was for idiots. So spend and borrow, but no production. It seemed that money was everywhere. It wasn’t, debt was.
Nice one Pat - I've said exactly the same thing several times over the past few days! You are quite right about work - the government would be better off creating a well paid job for anyone who didn't have one doing anything that needs doing. The 'cost' is irrelevant as they would create 'wealth' with it - it brings value. What doesn't bring value are hedge-fund managers and commodities traders - they're the people who really 'cost' society.... but I guess that'd be too 'socialist', pinko.....
Investment brings recovery. Our capitalist ideal is not a closed system it seems. Massive profits are raked in prosperous times, only to be hoarded or invested elsewhere when the bubble bursts. It is time to take back what is ours.
I ts to simple to look for one single reason for the riots , there are many contributing factors , maybe the fuck you to the poor ,and there sick now too , from the government made up of rich boys who never did a real days work in there lives , and are currently perceived as bent,
I completely agree with your video. At last somebody who sees further than their nose.
Worklessness (benefits) is the insurance of big business, it's keeping the workers who still have jobs content with what they get, and keeps an army of workless workers, ready to get their jobs, if they disagree with something.
Nobody, it seems, likes it when you point to the mechanisms used to control them. Far easier to place blame on a limited group group of people who are already marginalised.
Yep. Break a few windows, steal some TVs, you're a crook. Bust out millions of working class and poor using government supplied bank bailout dollars and a BS austarity program and you're a captain of finance. The wealthy bankers will snatch up the remains for pennies.
On the US side of the pond, Obanksta Obama just set the stage to eliminate what's left of the social safety net in the US and it is not much. I suspect it will not be too long before there is massive US unrest too.
@0gods I was going to make a similar comment about unrest here. I've been working the recall of Michigan Gov Rick Snyder all summer and with what I'm seeing, I have to say that I believe the American people will bend over and take it. If they don't think it directly affects them right this minute, they cannot be bothered. The apathy here is sickening.!!
It seems you and Boundlesseyes are the only vid makers giving any thought to this phenomenon. Others are just talking authoritarian bollocks. The YouTube community we hold so very dear is quite conservative.
I can't pretend to understand the complexities of the issues confronting Britain, or the current riots, but if I may I'd like to observe that, had I not been provided low interest government loans to attend college a generatin ago, I'd most likely be working a couple of menial jobs or be on welfare myself, instead of possessing a couple of advanced degrees and working in a profession.
Me too. I actually had a grant! 1600 hundred British pounds per year, which was about 50 per cent of what my mum was being paid per annum for actually working at a real job.
But I had parents who encouraged me to get A levels and go to university. If your parents leave you in a corner with an X-Box for 16 years & encourage you to ignore or abuse the teacher (my older brother is a teacher who deals with this shit every day) then higher education, free or otherwise, isn't an option.
@gabiotta It was a system that more than paid back the investment. Hundreds of thousands of people now occupy responsible professional positions as a result, and these are people who have been paying taxes into the system for years. That's state revenue that that would never have been generated without the initial investment.
I ask myself the following question at times like this: We have chosen to live under an economic system called capitalism, and that system is not designed to be moral or fair, and it deliberately rewards the most ruthless.
Should it surprise us if this ethic infects the larger society?
@Anekantavad Having observed multiple systems over many years, I no longer beleive in "just" systems. Which isn't to suggest that some are not more egregious than others.
@Anekantavad Capitilism, like many things, is ok in moderation. Unfortunately (forgive the American example), we seem to be returning to the "Halcyon" laissez faire days of the 1890s. Some of the wingnuts here won't be happy until we return to 18 hour workdays, no health insurance or paid leave, no worker safety laws, no child labour laws, no consumer protection, and a permanent underclass doomed to squalid, crowded "boxcar tenements."
unemployment in the 80s was at double digits. it was brought down to 5% until the recent economic crises.
in the meantime UK have absorbed successfully 4-5 million immigrants , which is a number twice the yearly unemployment number..
so technically Uk had ,until recently, full employment.
But you are right on one issue, there is an entitlement mentality among segments of immigrant communities and thatcher had nothing to do with it. that's a fault of their own culture...
@AmetReloads What would it take for you, if hypothetically you were a 1st generation immigrant in USA, to riot in the streets of USA? ?What would it take for your children as 2nd gen. immigrants?
You know the answer.. Neither you or your children would engage in such acts, nor develop a mentality that Americans are obliged to sustain you.Its inconceivable for a european mentality,but apparently some of UK's immigrants, do feel and opperate in thase way ..and there lays the problem..
Hmm... quite insightful and I agree with you to a significant extent, however, when you look at the professions of some of the looters, we definitely can't be quite so general in explaining the actions we've seen. A teacher making $30k a year should not vandalizing businesses or stealing, yet one of the looters was as described. This appears more like a frenzy of those you describe leading to other less moral characters mimicking their behavior.
The press has a vested interest in clouding the issue. The clip of that poor boy getting mugged mid-riot is not, i don't believe, representative. That has not stopped it being repeated every five minutes on every rolling news channel.
I think we should condemn both ... no one is off the hook for responsibility, they may not be to blame for their blight, but they are responsible for what they do.
I was born in a socialist town,in a socialist family,grow up on a council estate and belonged to a union and Militant.I saw the decimation of the coal,car,steel ,fish and ship building industries.While i perfectly understand the frustration i fail to see any good coming out of this . Change will only come through organization within the political arena but where are these people? The negativity towards the rioters has drown any voice of reason.
After the Europe-wide student and civil unrest of the late sixties, a committee of conservatives met in1972 to produce the "Selsdon Report", in which it was decided to, nation'wide, drastically reduce further education by sacking lecturers and closing down colleges. This took place under the cover of the Oil Crisis (and its subsequent effects) two years later. A "clever" decision.
It´s about time everyone else got cleverer than them, isn´t it?
The fact that you can't follow a complex argument does not make you right. Watch the video a few more times, you might understand it. And again what are you disagreeing with or are you just being a shithead?
So this is your answer to my comment? "How dare you"? Why so butt hurt? Do you think the people destroying shit are in the right? What part of what I said do you think is wrong? Can you talk about a point or is this your entire arsenal of response?
Do we know for a fact that small business owners are being looted to a degree that shows there's no focus on global-corps? The footage I've seen seem like they're avoiding showing any shop names. I have a feeling that the "target on small business owners and home owners" isn't true, and at the minimum, lacking in evidence.
As the majority of this is happening in town centers where small business owners have been priced out of the market, it seems unlikely that the extent to which we are being presented with the damage to Mr Patels newsagents is in any way proportional.
@gabiotta I think the word "shop" doesn't really help things, in north America it evokes a sense of "Mom n' pop" businesses. We know they're targeting banks... we've all seen the many destroyed bank machines, so we know they have some understanding of they're blaming. I found one video of people looting t-mobile, and looting mega malls. The media is hiding the names, probably because they're the same companies fucking everyone else up the ass across the pond.
@gabiotta if you google "rioters target banks" and look for links from this week... nothing comes up. Even though we see broken bank machines in almost every video. I agree fully that it's politically motivated, It's definitely rage more than opportunity.
That's EXACTLY what I've been saying. Although I abhor the riots and the chavs who started this, the blame goes directly back to Thatcher, Thatcher who said "there is no such thing as society". Thatcher, whose shitty governance was the catalyst for me to emigrate to the US where things were ace right up until the moment GW Bush wasn't elected and are now really pretty shitty
Oh I get that every time it rains. Funny thing is, when it rains here it rally pisses down, houses slide down hills, roads collaps, bridges fall down, you name it. Way worse than it ever was in the Uk. But then we have four months of 95 degree weather with bright blue skies and everyone forgets the rain ever happened.
Cant blame everything on Thatcher mate. There are poor all over the world, the fact that England's decides they have an entitlement to the things of others has more to do with the mind set of England's poor. I'm sure Somalians would love £50 a week.
You probably wouldn't guess it, but my family are dockers from Barrow-in-Furness. I know first hand what happens to a community when it's life blood is cut off.
I remember going to Barrow in the eighties to protest Trident. Thousands of us, there were. I nearly trod on Joan Ruddock's foot while she was being interviewed.
@gabiotta I don't see the connect between thatcher 30 years ago, and the mindless thuggery i saw last night. I know it's just anecdotal, but i was born in 1973 and grew up through the miners strikes and teachers strikes...all my friends did aswell, and their kids grew up in the 90s...none of them ran over any asian guys last night...do you see where there is a disconnect in your argument? I was going to do a video, may still do it. I like your stuff, you're funny as fuck. But i disagree here.
We are the same age then. Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning the violence, I am just saying that it isn't spontaneous.
I thought you did a vid. I am not sure i agreed that more heavy handed policing would do anything but exacerbate things. We are bound to find out either way in the near future i should think.
It is all good, a bit of friendly disagreement is half the fun.
@gabiotta Sure sure. I'm against heavy handed police against protests, but that wasn't protesting in day 3/4, it was mindless criminals piggy backing on the percieved zeitgiest. What the fools have done, is tainted the image of the young people for a few years to come. If i was going to be political, i'd suggest that openning the doors of UK to the new euro nations was a bad idea (less employment opportunities)...
...but the group that looted were unemployable...it wouldn'tve made a fucking difference to them. That wasn't an anti immigration statement by the way, it's just logic...hungry poles who earn £160 a month in Posnan will bite your hand off for minimum wage in the UK, stands to reason. Does give the twats an excuse for not finding a job though.
I'd say the reason we have so many Poles in the workforce if because they are filling a gap in the skills market caused by successive governments not investing properly in our young people. My Father did a five year apprenticeship to be a cabinet maker in the shipyards.
@gabiotta Working people will find jobs. Poles will do jobs others wont do, and they have a work ethic. I appreciate what happened to your dad mate, there's no shame in washing dishes or any similar menial non professional job. My wife is from a country that has no welfare system to speak of...I've been there a few times. They don't complain, they just get on with it and do what they can to feed themselves and better themselves. These clowns don't know how lucky they are.
This one seems more worthy of making a video about though, no?
Or are all these people banging on about how much they condemn rioters really in need of putting that on record? There is no worthwhile discussion to be had about the rights and wrongs of stealing televisions.
@gabiotta Getting people to focus on "condemning/ not condemning" is one of the new strategies that counter-spin groups have worked out to help keep protest by the people from having any effectiveness.
This is the DIRECT result of an increasing wage gap, causing more and more distance between classes. I would argue it's class segregation.
How much do you want to bet that these kids have pissed of parents who are being worked to death or unemployed,. These kids can't find jobs to A) Help their families. B) Buy the shit they like. C) Pay off their debts and student loans.
On top of all that they are having their services squeezed, they are being brutally policed and there has not been a musical revolution of note for two decades.
@gabiotta I am baffled by some, how can you neglect the fact that "children are our future". That's not some fucking cheesy catch phrase! Our young people are our greatest fucking possible asset, and we should be investing in their futures, instead of lining the pockets of banks and multinational corporations.
I don't support the destruction of your average citizen's property.. would I support the burning down of banks, walmarts, and Tesco's?... well I wouldn't complain. ^_^
But those in charge don't want you looking at the cause. They (like the pharmaceutical companies) get much more traction hollering about the symptoms. And this way they don't have to actually fix anything.
Of course they don't. As far as they are concerned things don't need fixing. Sweeping up broken glass and putting the burden of cost on the shoulders of insurers is better for them than attempting to create an equitable society.
Of course you have a right to be pissed off, it is base criminality. The point I was trying to make is that there are root causes that are being ignored and unless we address them, this situation is bound to get worse.
Oh wait.... the title... yea. Eerily reminiscent of the L.A. riots in the early 90's. Rodney King wasn't beaten to death but still...... The catalyst..... 12 years of Reagan and Bush....
@FederalistFilms condemnation can co-exist with analysis of why they are of the mindset to do such things tho. i dont think gabz is suggesting we do anything but condemn it.
Saying none of these people are just being opportunists is the same as saying all of them are. You have no idea who they are or what their motivations are. I have NEVER seen an event like this that did not include a large number of people taking advantage of the breakdown of law & your characterization of "breaking shop windows" makes me want to puke. Go talk to some human who broke their back for 20 years 60 - 80 hours a week, building a business to have thugs take it away in one night.
@gabiotta The media is going to try and discredit or squelch social movements in the west. We've already seen them call the destruction of property "violence". I guess objects have corporate personhood too. We also just hear "riot" and "rioters" and "anarchists" = buzz words to dismiss true motives and scare people from participating and organizing.
They did the same thing at the Olympics and G20 in Canada. "Just ignore them, they're just hooligans who want to destroy your freedom!"
"these fucking riots are as a direct result of the actions of the government" sounds like U are rolling all of the rioters into the same bag as the protesters. What I am saying is that opportunistic people are doing what they always do at times like this and they care little for the politics involved and it would be a good thing to call them on this despite your sympathy for the underlying anger people have (a sympathy I share). Again, what did I type that you disagree with?
We ARE mostly on the same page; I took exception to a slight tone of "excusability" I sensed in what you said and little more. I am clearly closer to you than some of the people breaking your balls here.
No they were a direct result of a peaceful protest over the shooting of a young man, it had nothing to do with the government. Ask any of the rioters on the street an they will give you several different justifications, but not one will mention the shooting.
@Ravenpheonix73 Exactly. I've actually seen several of the interviews that the rioters gave. Not one of them even mentioned Mark Duggan's name or his family.
@Ravenpheonix73 I closed the link last night... I will try and find it for you. They have a list of social demands for the government... There's another list of demanded "goods" but isn't that just an outcry for a share in prosperity though the mouths of babes? We have to remember that these are teenagers and young adults. Not all of them have a goal or understand what's going on. This is probably why they're not very effective at organizing.
adding to it all, there is now a petitiion doing the rounds calling for people who are caught looting to have their benefits stopped.. genius.. make skint crims even skinter.. that'll stop crime.. #derp
Well said sir.
MetaReaLizard 6 months ago
I agree with you, Sir. The heart of this austerity crap lie in the United States. My government and Supreme Court are to blame for this world wide crush on humanity.
rollofnickles 6 months ago
hell fucking yes!
k00lkane 6 months ago
The people involved in these riots had all same opportunities as everyone else who's been through the public education system. They decided not to take those opportunities and now find themselves in a situation where many of them are simply unemployable. Not only from a skills point-of-view but from an attitude point-of-view as well. There simply is no work ethic in many of these people.
PhaseBlur 6 months ago
@PhaseBlur
Why do you think that is?
gabiotta 6 months ago
You are just trying to divert from the real causes and problems, this was a consequence of multiculturalism, you know that this can never happen in a country with national identity and unity, when you destroy the nation this is what you get, youth without goal's and without will to make their community a better place.
AdviceBro 6 months ago
@AdviceBro
Your knowledge of history seems a little shaky. Civil unrest was not unheard of in the time before multiculturalism became a fact of life.
You receive 100 EyeSpy points for looking into it for five fucking minutes, coming back here and saying something along the lines of, "Oh yeah, sorry, I see what you mean. It isn't a contemporary phenomenon and I apologise for jumping to hasty and ill considered conclusions because of an inherent bigotry."
Off you pop.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta This kind of civil unrest never happened in Europe before multiculturalism, not even in ancient Rome, the looters were always an foreign army, that's a fact. And you picked a wrong subject to debate me, history is my passion. =)
AdviceBro 6 months ago
@AdviceBro
I have not picked a subject. You are already leaving loopholes in your comment as escape routes for your faulty and biased reasoning. "Kind" of civil unrest?
Shall we start in the years before the French Revolution? Or was that the fault of multiculturalism?
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta In French Revoulution they were stealing weapons that they needed for revolution from rich people and the monarchy, they never looted from their neighbours and from normal citizens.
What loopholes? You can check my channel and you will see that history is my passion, saying that is not a loophole, if you are passionate about a think talk about it, right?
AdviceBro 6 months ago
@AdviceBro
The loophole I was pointing out was "kind" of unrest. You will always be able to find points of difference because you are looking to fit this to your hypothesis.
You can misdirect by citing weapons collection (a thing that isn't really possible in a modern context) and i can easily counter by likening the financial crisis in France that led to mass dissatisfaction and spontaneous violence.
The real point is that these riots are characterised by poverty and not race.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta You are destroying yourself, the crisis in France was also caused by multicultularism, it was the most similar event to london riots, both event's were caused by multicultularism and they are both recent, in 2500 years of european history, both those event's happened in last few years in multicultural societies(England and France both have over 10% of muslim population and over 10% of blacks). That is appearntly the critical mass needed for this kind of looting.
AdviceBro 6 months ago
@AdviceBro
2500 years of European history? WTF are you talking about?
You are square pegging in the round hole, mate. The revolution was in no way precipitated by multiculturalism.
The causes are economic, you just want them to be race.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta I might haven't been clear because english is like my 3rd language, anyway in my last post i was talking about the 2005 civil unrest in France, not about the revolution. And i'm not saying it's a race think, i'm saying it's a culture think. There is no history of events like that in European culture until recent years, the 2005 civil unrest in France and 2011 England riots have no precedens in 2500 years of European history.
AdviceBro 6 months ago
@AdviceBro
So what we are left with is a big fat correlation/causation fallacy.
If there are no precedents, which of course there are - you just dismiss them because they don't fit your hypothesis, then you don't have enough data to draw a conclusion.
We are back to the beginning, your appeal to your own perceived authority discredited and backtracked upon...
Civil unrest was not unheard of in the time before multiculturalism became a fact of life.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I think what they need is to get some focus and that's the problem they are angry and don't know how to express that anger in a way that will give them what they want. People are protest retarded becuase they fear so much being black listed they have no idea how to do a proper protest that would actually work. So I thing partly they need to be educated on that.
MistressArte 6 months ago
@MistressArte
I agree.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta Thank you <3
MistressArte 6 months ago
@gabiotta I have seen in other instances that people often lash out AFTER proper protest has failed. But teenagers DO lack the life experiences of just how to protest and to whom.
OldeVampyr 6 months ago
I dont advocate violence - all other avenues MUST be exhausted first. But usually the "opposition" will be uncooperative and force it to happen. Thats why I video the local pigs and report them to cogressmen lol instead of shooting them (that parts a joke). No we have a system with ways to deal with things thats WORKS if we use it.
russelljds 6 months ago
Its good to hear someone who has a clear vew of the problems bringing this on. I am an activist (copwatchellensburg) and totally understand it all. please check my channel and thanks for speaking up.
russelljds 6 months ago
@russelljds
Thanks, I appreciate your support. :)
gabiotta 6 months ago
Bravo sir, perhaps the most succinct and apposite analysis I've heard yet. Want to buy a laptop by the way?
sycamoreseeds 6 months ago
@sycamoreseeds
From you? Mr GoldTeeth the poker playing pawnbroker? The man who torched an entire family of Swedish homesteaders just to collect on a £5 debt?
Rather!
What have you got?
gabiotta 6 months ago
...and YOU my friend have the gift of GAB! <<see what I did there? lol I have to agree with you. Glad to find somebody that looks further into things than what's just on the surface. ;) When you take away what little people already [don't] have, this is what creates this sort of anger. Remember, Remember....
{{hugs}}
ExistentialVita 6 months ago
@ExistentialVita
Exactly. It is not as though there is even any cake for the fuckers to let us eat.
;)
gabiotta 6 months ago
Good video. The crucial thing about Thatcher was that she and Reagan decided to implement a massive economic experiment. They got rid of the watchdogs, freed up capital to move wherever the speculators wanted. Along came Tony Blair and his thieving crowd, raided all the pension schemes and destroyed them and made it clear that saving was for idiots. So spend and borrow, but no production. It seemed that money was everywhere. It wasn’t, debt was.
ritchloui 6 months ago
Nice one Pat - I've said exactly the same thing several times over the past few days! You are quite right about work - the government would be better off creating a well paid job for anyone who didn't have one doing anything that needs doing. The 'cost' is irrelevant as they would create 'wealth' with it - it brings value. What doesn't bring value are hedge-fund managers and commodities traders - they're the people who really 'cost' society.... but I guess that'd be too 'socialist', pinko.....
DeviantincTV 6 months ago
@DeviantincTV
Investment brings recovery. Our capitalist ideal is not a closed system it seems. Massive profits are raked in prosperous times, only to be hoarded or invested elsewhere when the bubble bursts. It is time to take back what is ours.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I ts to simple to look for one single reason for the riots , there are many contributing factors , maybe the fuck you to the poor ,and there sick now too , from the government made up of rich boys who never did a real days work in there lives , and are currently perceived as bent,
woofalot13 6 months ago
@woofalot13
I agree, there are a lot of factors. I just feel that what happened under Thatcher caused a demographic shift that we are feeling the effects of now.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I completely agree with your video. At last somebody who sees further than their nose.
Worklessness (benefits) is the insurance of big business, it's keeping the workers who still have jobs content with what they get, and keeps an army of workless workers, ready to get their jobs, if they disagree with something.
dewinthemorning 6 months ago 2
@dewinthemorning
Nobody, it seems, likes it when you point to the mechanisms used to control them. Far easier to place blame on a limited group group of people who are already marginalised.
gabiotta 6 months ago
Yep. Break a few windows, steal some TVs, you're a crook. Bust out millions of working class and poor using government supplied bank bailout dollars and a BS austarity program and you're a captain of finance. The wealthy bankers will snatch up the remains for pennies.
On the US side of the pond, Obanksta Obama just set the stage to eliminate what's left of the social safety net in the US and it is not much. I suspect it will not be too long before there is massive US unrest too.
0gods 6 months ago
@0gods I was going to make a similar comment about unrest here. I've been working the recall of Michigan Gov Rick Snyder all summer and with what I'm seeing, I have to say that I believe the American people will bend over and take it. If they don't think it directly affects them right this minute, they cannot be bothered. The apathy here is sickening.!!
debbieomi 6 months ago
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0gods 6 months ago
It seems you and Boundlesseyes are the only vid makers giving any thought to this phenomenon. Others are just talking authoritarian bollocks. The YouTube community we hold so very dear is quite conservative.
EpifanesEuergetes 6 months ago
@EpifanesEuergetes
I have not seen her vid yet, i'll go check it out now. Cheers.
gabiotta 6 months ago
the bullet in the police radio...was police issue
thank fuck UK does not have guns like the states
000whiterabbit 6 months ago
i much agree, , i don't condone violence, however in order to get rid of the symptoms one should focus on a cure for the disease!
★★★★★
nutsinthecoco 6 months ago
@nutsinthecoco
Thanks, it has been a long time since i got stars.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I can't pretend to understand the complexities of the issues confronting Britain, or the current riots, but if I may I'd like to observe that, had I not been provided low interest government loans to attend college a generatin ago, I'd most likely be working a couple of menial jobs or be on welfare myself, instead of possessing a couple of advanced degrees and working in a profession.
WildwoodClaire1 6 months ago
@WildwoodClaire1
Great example. When I was their age I could rely on state funded education until PhD level if i attained the required standards.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
Me too. I actually had a grant! 1600 hundred British pounds per year, which was about 50 per cent of what my mum was being paid per annum for actually working at a real job.
But I had parents who encouraged me to get A levels and go to university. If your parents leave you in a corner with an X-Box for 16 years & encourage you to ignore or abuse the teacher (my older brother is a teacher who deals with this shit every day) then higher education, free or otherwise, isn't an option.
geffel 6 months ago
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WildwoodClaire1 6 months ago
@gabiotta It was a system that more than paid back the investment. Hundreds of thousands of people now occupy responsible professional positions as a result, and these are people who have been paying taxes into the system for years. That's state revenue that that would never have been generated without the initial investment.
WildwoodClaire1 6 months ago
@AcceptNoBullshit
Oh yeah, my bad. Just another troll.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I ask myself the following question at times like this: We have chosen to live under an economic system called capitalism, and that system is not designed to be moral or fair, and it deliberately rewards the most ruthless.
Should it surprise us if this ethic infects the larger society?
Anekantavad 6 months ago
@Anekantavad
Chosen requires informed consent.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@Anekantavad "We have chosen to live" - Really? I don´t remember choosing...
beachcomber2008 6 months ago
@beachcomber2008 Okay okay ... you know what I mean.
:-)
Anekantavad 6 months ago
@Anekantavad Having observed multiple systems over many years, I no longer beleive in "just" systems. Which isn't to suggest that some are not more egregious than others.
WildwoodClaire1 6 months ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Well, Quite. But the capitalist model (which isn't going anywhere very soon) doesn't even use the rhetoric of justice.
Anekantavad 6 months ago
@Anekantavad Capitilism, like many things, is ok in moderation. Unfortunately (forgive the American example), we seem to be returning to the "Halcyon" laissez faire days of the 1890s. Some of the wingnuts here won't be happy until we return to 18 hour workdays, no health insurance or paid leave, no worker safety laws, no child labour laws, no consumer protection, and a permanent underclass doomed to squalid, crowded "boxcar tenements."
WildwoodClaire1 6 months ago
@Anekantavad
And you want to convince us that Cultural Marxism is a false concept after writing stuff like that?!
That is precisely the kind of stuff that the guys at the Frankfurt School spewed out! They would be proud of you if they were still alive...
The31YearOldVirgin 6 months ago
@The31YearOldVirgin Are you saying that capitalism tries to be 'fair' and ;'just'?
Anekantavad 6 months ago
@Anekantavad
Sorry, something has come up and I don't have the time right now, but I promise to discuss that in your next installment of "Cultural Marxism".
It's even better for you that way, because that will help improving your channel's view count! ;)
The31YearOldVirgin 6 months ago
nonsense!
unemployment in the 80s was at double digits. it was brought down to 5% until the recent economic crises.
in the meantime UK have absorbed successfully 4-5 million immigrants , which is a number twice the yearly unemployment number..
so technically Uk had ,until recently, full employment.
But you are right on one issue, there is an entitlement mentality among segments of immigrant communities and thatcher had nothing to do with it. that's a fault of their own culture...
AmetReloads 6 months ago
@AmetReloads What would it take for you, if hypothetically you were a 1st generation immigrant in USA, to riot in the streets of USA? ?What would it take for your children as 2nd gen. immigrants?
You know the answer.. Neither you or your children would engage in such acts, nor develop a mentality that Americans are obliged to sustain you.Its inconceivable for a european mentality,but apparently some of UK's immigrants, do feel and opperate in thase way ..and there lays the problem..
AmetReloads 6 months ago
@AmetReloads
The thing that defines these kids is poverty, not race.
Use your fucking eyes.
gabiotta 6 months ago
Hmm... quite insightful and I agree with you to a significant extent, however, when you look at the professions of some of the looters, we definitely can't be quite so general in explaining the actions we've seen. A teacher making $30k a year should not vandalizing businesses or stealing, yet one of the looters was as described. This appears more like a frenzy of those you describe leading to other less moral characters mimicking their behavior.
OrthodoxAtheist 6 months ago
@OrthodoxAtheist
The press has a vested interest in clouding the issue. The clip of that poor boy getting mugged mid-riot is not, i don't believe, representative. That has not stopped it being repeated every five minutes on every rolling news channel.
Anything to distract from the real conversation.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
You spout: "Knee-jerk shite from all quarters again?"
I see you include the usual knee-jerk shite that emits from your quarter too.
I'm a "fucking idiot". Loud and Proud of it too i am.
shangrigreige 6 months ago
@shangrigreige
Yes.... I can hear that.
gabiotta 6 months ago
I think we should condemn both ... no one is off the hook for responsibility, they may not be to blame for their blight, but they are responsible for what they do.
Elenkhos 6 months ago
@AcceptNoBullshit
I'm not telling anybody to fuck off.
I consider everybody involved in this fight as a friend.
gabiotta 6 months ago
Excellent.
theinnerbadger 6 months ago
@theinnerbadger
Good of you to say so.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@AcceptNoBullshit
Rhetoric on youtube?! Say it isn't so! Otherwise fuck off and bother someone who cares
prodigyat9 6 months ago
I was born in a socialist town,in a socialist family,grow up on a council estate and belonged to a union and Militant.I saw the decimation of the coal,car,steel ,fish and ship building industries.While i perfectly understand the frustration i fail to see any good coming out of this . Change will only come through organization within the political arena but where are these people? The negativity towards the rioters has drown any voice of reason.
NoMoreC2 6 months ago
@NoMoreC2
I see no good coming of it either. I am not assigning a higher motive.
That does not mean we should not demand examination or expect action towards real solutions.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@AirstripOneProle
Yeah, I can see you don't use insults instead of arguments. Call me back if you ever decide what your opinion is and are willing to share it.
prodigyat9 6 months ago
Hang them all, sincerely, they all deserve to be punished.
MiseWonkey888 6 months ago
@MiseWonkey888
I though you were blocked.
FUCK OFF!
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞>
on the marquee.
f417h2GRACE 6 months ago
@f417h2GRACE
You always say the best things!
gabiotta 6 months ago
@MiseWonkey888 Too merciful, sir.
Transport them to Australia-
Botany Bay will take the starch from them!
WetlandsRemediation 6 months ago
I'm in agreement with you on this. The civil unrest is a symptom, not the disease.
theskepticalheretic 6 months ago
After the Europe-wide student and civil unrest of the late sixties, a committee of conservatives met in1972 to produce the "Selsdon Report", in which it was decided to, nation'wide, drastically reduce further education by sacking lecturers and closing down colleges. This took place under the cover of the Oil Crisis (and its subsequent effects) two years later. A "clever" decision.
It´s about time everyone else got cleverer than them, isn´t it?
Just a point in history...
beachcomber2008 6 months ago
@AirstripOneProle
The fact that you can't follow a complex argument does not make you right. Watch the video a few more times, you might understand it. And again what are you disagreeing with or are you just being a shithead?
prodigyat9 6 months ago
Thanks for this. I've been watching the riots and having very little idea what's going on.
OgreVI 6 months ago
Straight up to the top...
You gabba lotta sense !
beachcomber2008 6 months ago
@AirstripOneProle
So this is your answer to my comment? "How dare you"? Why so butt hurt? Do you think the people destroying shit are in the right? What part of what I said do you think is wrong? Can you talk about a point or is this your entire arsenal of response?
prodigyat9 6 months ago
Do we know for a fact that small business owners are being looted to a degree that shows there's no focus on global-corps? The footage I've seen seem like they're avoiding showing any shop names. I have a feeling that the "target on small business owners and home owners" isn't true, and at the minimum, lacking in evidence.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite
As the majority of this is happening in town centers where small business owners have been priced out of the market, it seems unlikely that the extent to which we are being presented with the damage to Mr Patels newsagents is in any way proportional.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta I think the word "shop" doesn't really help things, in north America it evokes a sense of "Mom n' pop" businesses. We know they're targeting banks... we've all seen the many destroyed bank machines, so we know they have some understanding of they're blaming. I found one video of people looting t-mobile, and looting mega malls. The media is hiding the names, probably because they're the same companies fucking everyone else up the ass across the pond.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite understanding of *who to blame.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite
While I think the roots of this are political, I don't think the motive force is as considered as you think.
This isn't Black Bloc. This is an explosion of fairly undirected rage.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta if you google "rioters target banks" and look for links from this week... nothing comes up. Even though we see broken bank machines in almost every video. I agree fully that it's politically motivated, It's definitely rage more than opportunity.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
That's EXACTLY what I've been saying. Although I abhor the riots and the chavs who started this, the blame goes directly back to Thatcher, Thatcher who said "there is no such thing as society". Thatcher, whose shitty governance was the catalyst for me to emigrate to the US where things were ace right up until the moment GW Bush wasn't elected and are now really pretty shitty
geffel 6 months ago 10
@geffel
You took the bad weather with you, did you?
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
Oh I get that every time it rains. Funny thing is, when it rains here it rally pisses down, houses slide down hills, roads collaps, bridges fall down, you name it. Way worse than it ever was in the Uk. But then we have four months of 95 degree weather with bright blue skies and everyone forgets the rain ever happened.
geffel 6 months ago
@FederalistFilms Heheheh...wondered what your take on those rambunctious lads would've been...
TheMercilessEye 6 months ago
@FederalistFilms No reason to throw all that Tea in the harbor, either, then, I suppose...
TheMercilessEye 6 months ago
Another hooligan apologist.
This one blames it on Thatcher.
parallelsdumaurier 6 months ago
Cant blame everything on Thatcher mate. There are poor all over the world, the fact that England's decides they have an entitlement to the things of others has more to do with the mind set of England's poor. I'm sure Somalians would love £50 a week.
sugelanren 6 months ago
@sugelanren
You probably wouldn't guess it, but my family are dockers from Barrow-in-Furness. I know first hand what happens to a community when it's life blood is cut off.
Also, the poor in Somalia are hardly peaceful. :)
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
I remember going to Barrow in the eighties to protest Trident. Thousands of us, there were. I nearly trod on Joan Ruddock's foot while she was being interviewed.
geffel 6 months ago
@gabiotta I don't see the connect between thatcher 30 years ago, and the mindless thuggery i saw last night. I know it's just anecdotal, but i was born in 1973 and grew up through the miners strikes and teachers strikes...all my friends did aswell, and their kids grew up in the 90s...none of them ran over any asian guys last night...do you see where there is a disconnect in your argument? I was going to do a video, may still do it. I like your stuff, you're funny as fuck. But i disagree here.
sugelanren 6 months ago
@sugelanren
We are the same age then. Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning the violence, I am just saying that it isn't spontaneous.
I thought you did a vid. I am not sure i agreed that more heavy handed policing would do anything but exacerbate things. We are bound to find out either way in the near future i should think.
It is all good, a bit of friendly disagreement is half the fun.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta Sure sure. I'm against heavy handed police against protests, but that wasn't protesting in day 3/4, it was mindless criminals piggy backing on the percieved zeitgiest. What the fools have done, is tainted the image of the young people for a few years to come. If i was going to be political, i'd suggest that openning the doors of UK to the new euro nations was a bad idea (less employment opportunities)...
sugelanren 6 months ago
...but the group that looted were unemployable...it wouldn'tve made a fucking difference to them. That wasn't an anti immigration statement by the way, it's just logic...hungry poles who earn £160 a month in Posnan will bite your hand off for minimum wage in the UK, stands to reason. Does give the twats an excuse for not finding a job though.
sugelanren 6 months ago
@sugelanren
I'd say the reason we have so many Poles in the workforce if because they are filling a gap in the skills market caused by successive governments not investing properly in our young people. My Father did a five year apprenticeship to be a cabinet maker in the shipyards.
Working people have been fucked over.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta Working people will find jobs. Poles will do jobs others wont do, and they have a work ethic. I appreciate what happened to your dad mate, there's no shame in washing dishes or any similar menial non professional job. My wife is from a country that has no welfare system to speak of...I've been there a few times. They don't complain, they just get on with it and do what they can to feed themselves and better themselves. These clowns don't know how lucky they are.
sugelanren 6 months ago
Well, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
HeavyTrafficAhead 6 months ago
@HeavyTrafficAhead
One of the few who can it seems.
gabiotta 6 months ago
Both.
TheTruePooka 6 months ago
@TheTruePooka
Yes both.
This one seems more worthy of making a video about though, no?
Or are all these people banging on about how much they condemn rioters really in need of putting that on record? There is no worthwhile discussion to be had about the rights and wrongs of stealing televisions.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta Getting people to focus on "condemning/ not condemning" is one of the new strategies that counter-spin groups have worked out to help keep protest by the people from having any effectiveness.
TheTruePooka 6 months ago
@AcceptNoBullshit
Individual acts are, of course, to be condemned. If they becomes the whole story, though, we let the fuckers who sold these kids out off the hook.
gabiotta 6 months ago
This is the DIRECT result of an increasing wage gap, causing more and more distance between classes. I would argue it's class segregation.
How much do you want to bet that these kids have pissed of parents who are being worked to death or unemployed,. These kids can't find jobs to A) Help their families. B) Buy the shit they like. C) Pay off their debts and student loans.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite
On top of all that they are having their services squeezed, they are being brutally policed and there has not been a musical revolution of note for two decades.
I am so happy to be an old fucker at the moment.
gabiotta 6 months ago
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ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@gabiotta I am baffled by some, how can you neglect the fact that "children are our future". That's not some fucking cheesy catch phrase! Our young people are our greatest fucking possible asset, and we should be investing in their futures, instead of lining the pockets of banks and multinational corporations.
I don't support the destruction of your average citizen's property.. would I support the burning down of banks, walmarts, and Tesco's?... well I wouldn't complain. ^_^
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@AirstripOneProle
Cheers mate. Trouble ahead it seems. Hot summer days heating up a pressure cooker that the police will try to kettle.
Kettling a pressure cooker is a mistake...
gabiotta 6 months ago
But those in charge don't want you looking at the cause. They (like the pharmaceutical companies) get much more traction hollering about the symptoms. And this way they don't have to actually fix anything.
Great vid!
tecnoblix 6 months ago
@tecnoblix
Of course they don't. As far as they are concerned things don't need fixing. Sweeping up broken glass and putting the burden of cost on the shoulders of insurers is better for them than attempting to create an equitable society.
gabiotta 6 months ago
So sir, your apology is that the little cup can't handle pressure?
That what little they have shall be taken from them?
Pity.
Die.
WetlandsRemediation 6 months ago
@WetlandsRemediation
That's nice.
You could try making sense.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@AnonymousScreenOgler
Of course you have a right to be pissed off, it is base criminality. The point I was trying to make is that there are root causes that are being ignored and unless we address them, this situation is bound to get worse.
gabiotta 6 months ago
get ready for the martial law,and more violence
1duspiores 6 months ago
Oh wait.... the title... yea. Eerily reminiscent of the L.A. riots in the early 90's. Rodney King wasn't beaten to death but still...... The catalyst..... 12 years of Reagan and Bush....
Not the same.... similar. Hmmm....
GoatOfTheMountains 6 months ago
Well put. Not much more to say, really.
GoatOfTheMountains 6 months ago
@FederalistFilms condemnation can co-exist with analysis of why they are of the mindset to do such things tho. i dont think gabz is suggesting we do anything but condemn it.
peace
SkidRowRadio 6 months ago
Indeed, Steed; take away the little they have left, and they dont give a flying fuck anymore.
panthera50 6 months ago
@panthera50
Quite.
gabiotta 6 months ago
you are right of course,i say send in their mothers not the police !
tharlia 6 months ago
@FederalistFilms
A fucking men!
prodigyat9 6 months ago
Saying none of these people are just being opportunists is the same as saying all of them are. You have no idea who they are or what their motivations are. I have NEVER seen an event like this that did not include a large number of people taking advantage of the breakdown of law & your characterization of "breaking shop windows" makes me want to puke. Go talk to some human who broke their back for 20 years 60 - 80 hours a week, building a business to have thugs take it away in one night.
prodigyat9 6 months ago 3
@prodigyat9
I am not condoning their actions, just asking people to look at the bigger picture.
If this is just about some criminality, why is everybody making videos about it?
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta The media is going to try and discredit or squelch social movements in the west. We've already seen them call the destruction of property "violence". I guess objects have corporate personhood too. We also just hear "riot" and "rioters" and "anarchists" = buzz words to dismiss true motives and scare people from participating and organizing.
They did the same thing at the Olympics and G20 in Canada. "Just ignore them, they're just hooligans who want to destroy your freedom!"
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@gabiotta
Where did I say this is just about criminality?
prodigyat9 6 months ago
@prodigyat9
I think it was in the same place that I said "none of these people are just being opportunists".
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
"these fucking riots are as a direct result of the actions of the government" sounds like U are rolling all of the rioters into the same bag as the protesters. What I am saying is that opportunistic people are doing what they always do at times like this and they care little for the politics involved and it would be a good thing to call them on this despite your sympathy for the underlying anger people have (a sympathy I share). Again, what did I type that you disagree with?
prodigyat9 6 months ago
@prodigyat9
Honestly, I think we are on the same page. We might be misunderstanding each other, though.
I am saying that smashing up property is stupid, but focusing on that is counter productive.
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
We ARE mostly on the same page; I took exception to a slight tone of "excusability" I sensed in what you said and little more. I am clearly closer to you than some of the people breaking your balls here.
prodigyat9 6 months ago
@prodigyat9
I am starting to consider a video a bit of a failure if i don't get at least 25% dislikes. :-)
gabiotta 6 months ago
@gabiotta
Then my last video was a REAL success!
prodigyat9 6 months ago
Finally someone makes a video with some sense on this issue.
skinnywhop87 6 months ago
No they were a direct result of a peaceful protest over the shooting of a young man, it had nothing to do with the government. Ask any of the rioters on the street an they will give you several different justifications, but not one will mention the shooting.
Ravenpheonix73 6 months ago
@Ravenpheonix73 Exactly. I've actually seen several of the interviews that the rioters gave. Not one of them even mentioned Mark Duggan's name or his family.
Afriboy10 6 months ago
@Ravenpheonix73 Is that why they have a list of social demands?
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite such as?
Ravenpheonix73 6 months ago
@Ravenpheonix73 I closed the link last night... I will try and find it for you. They have a list of social demands for the government... There's another list of demanded "goods" but isn't that just an outcry for a share in prosperity though the mouths of babes? We have to remember that these are teenagers and young adults. Not all of them have a goal or understand what's going on. This is probably why they're not very effective at organizing.
ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
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ReignbowSmite 6 months ago
@Ravenpheonix73
That was just the blue touch paper, not the gunpowder.
gabiotta 6 months ago
spot the fuck on.
adding to it all, there is now a petitiion doing the rounds calling for people who are caught looting to have their benefits stopped.. genius.. make skint crims even skinter.. that'll stop crime.. #derp
SkidRowRadio 6 months ago
@SkidRowRadio
Those same people will be calling for a return to national service as well.
Let's train the rioters in the use of firearms, that'll give them some backbone.
gabiotta 6 months ago