if it were legalised our lords and masters would slap a tax on it that was so high the common man would still go to the dealers for a fair deal my body my choice
How to win the war on drugs? Declare victory and legalise it, that way those pedalling drugs are no longer criminals and no longer your enemy. Or boil your head in acid and stop trying to claim ownership of my body, I'm not your slave and I'll do what I wish with my own body. Thanks a bunch and fuck off you snivelling slimy cunt.
How could he say so much truth and then do the opposite as soon as he gets in? He says"Experts should lead this debate" then removes the requirement for any experts to actually be on the council.
giggle giggle, fact is your a bell-end. Talk tough about this and that then get bummed by Davey boy.
Great thing about this ConDem alliance is that the yellows will be as relevant as the greens and alot less significant than the BNP. I would rather vote for Cancer.
Hahahaha Daily Fail bless their pathetic little opinions hahaha. But fuck you Clegg saying you would legalise the herb then shitting youself once your in office. Cunt.
Dear Nick Clegg, We voted for you, so when the hell are things going to change then?!! Absolutely nothing has changed in regards to drug policy in this country - in fact you are simply banning more substances and making criminals out of even more users!
The argument for legalising drugs is logical...If there was some kind of national drugs board, people could ensure that what they were getting was actually good. I don't think it would make any more people do drugs than already do to be honest...
ollierussell1 so the 3 hours taken booking me could of only taken 10-15 mins and the other 2hrs and 45 mins could of been spent looking for big dealers. Its not rocket science ollierussell1
@johnafer I dont know why your getting arsey with me pal, i agree with you. You said they should spend time catching dealers, and i told you they do. Just because you were unlucky and got caught you cant see that. The police have to be hard on drugs because the politicians demand it, i hope that changes but i doubt it will. Police time is wasted much more on other things besides drugs.
So in answer to your question ollierussell1 about the police just letting me go.Yes, if the laws were changed to be more tolerant with drugs in smaller quantitys as Mr clegg suggested then the 3 hours of police time that was wasted booking me wouldnt of happened. They could of taken the coke off me checked my details and let me go with a caution
@johnafer Yes and that is allready what the police do, depending what class the drug is and how much you have. And also you previous record. Coke is class A, thats why they took you in. Mate, you cant expect to carry coke around and then when you get caught moan about being at the satation for 3 hours.
Ok ollierussell1 again you are totally missing the point. From the moment i got caught till the moment i was let go it took 3 hours,. I got my picture taken, interviewed, etc. The coppers were spot on! we spent the whole time speaking about football, cars etc. Now the coppers knew why i was there was stupid but they were just following procedure. I know this because they told me this
@johnafer im not missing the point at all, i know it was a waste of time, you know it was a waste of time and so do the police. However, the police allready spend alot of time catching dealers. Coke is illeagal, if the police happen to find you with half a gram, they have to punish you.
@rusherf4g thats not true at all man. Yea fair enough you might get paranoid ,but thats to to do with your own mental state and perhaps your unwillingness to lose control whilst smoking the plant. Losing brain cells? thats not true at all, perhaps the smoke inhalation may trigger some of that but not the plant itself. Its been proven that nicotine smoke is by FAR much more harmful than cannabis smoke. If smoking the plant bothers you try one of the many other methods of consuming it.
@rusherf4g Oh really? Losing control and deciding to drive that one fine-chick home (but don't give a fuck to drive while being very drunk just because you want to fuck her ) and then drive over a kid or any other crap like that, you will regret this all your life in a fucking jail cell.
@johnafer I'm not saying they catch EVERY dealer and supplyer, but do you honestly think they only arrest the consumers and dont bother with the dealers and supplyers??? You said yourself the police that arrested you all knew it was a waste of police time, do you honestly expect them to find you with a bit of coke and then let you go...think it through mate
I got stopped a few years ago with a half a gram cocaine in a night club. I got taken to the police station and since ive never been in trouble with the police before i got a caution. however i did have to spend about an hour and a half in the police station getting interviewed, pictures and fingerprints taken. The police knew it was a stupid procedure but it needed to be done. I AM SORRY BUT THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF POLICE TIME!! SPEND TIME ON CATCHING THE REAL DEALERS.. THE SUPPLYERS!!!
I Hope people boycott The Sun newspaper who is trying to use its influence to persuade voters to the Tories, The super rich tycoon wants to decide the next government, Newspapers should report actual, factual news not use their media empires to be able to choose who they want in power. Rich wanting influence again like Lord Ashcroft using his tax avoidance to pay the Scamerons campaign!
I Hope people boycott The Sun newspaper who is trying to use its influence to persuade voters to the Tories, The super rich tycoon wants to decide the next government, Newspapers should report actual, factual news not use their media empires to be able to choose who they want in power. Rich wanting influence again like Lord Ashcroft using his tax avoidance to pay the Scamerons campaign!
The drug Barron's want drugs illegal it helps greatly with there profits, sadly it drives poor people to prostitution and crime wile the rich pop stars and film stars can afford the government inflated prices that are driven up by the government enforcers.Look at how all the bootleggers disappeared when alcohol was legalised in America..Its simple common sense.
There should be a test before a politician could stand in Parliament where he or she have built up there own successful profitable business because we keep getting all these fools who have been taught how to think.none of the politicians could build a successfull biz so it will always be a recipe for disaster being led by idiots who would not no where to start creating,they all experts at spending other peoples money to make themselves look good, that's it!
Clegg is right, we need to look at the facts and make policy based on what works rather than what sounds good. I'm fed up with politicians pandering to popular opinion just because they want to gain/stay in power.
@testify321 Yes. Think about it. If it was legally available druggies wouldn't have to keep paying criminal dealers who in turn run organised crime and prostitution rings.
So they'd be out of business overnight and the druggies would probably kill themselves anyway by O.D. so they no longer steal to pay for drugs.
Not one of these idiots deserves to run the country. They are only interested in feathering their own nests, not running the country for the benefit of the people who have to live by the rules they force upon.
@nickbaldeagle01 Your absolutely right Nick, none of them deserve to run our country but the thing is that none of them are also capable of running it either that is wy they are there acting as front men the thing is that nobody who is capable will ever get into power because the real secret leaders who control the pretend leaders don't want anybody with common sense cuz they would ask questions
I would highly recomend that people search for "Ewan Hoyle", Founder of Liberal Democrats for Drug Policy Reform, to find out the thinking behind liberal democrat drugs policy and then decide whether it makes sense as 58 seconds isn't long enough to give anyone time to explain anything
@TheAsandZs He has no chance of running the country, the only way he could have a slight input this time is via a hung parliment; and judging by the EXT poll at the moment it seems it may be that way. I really don't think that it would be scary, I would prefer him to the leaders of the other leading parties any day of the week.
@LiVeXb0X The best man for this country is Gordon Brown. It's just too dangerous to change governments right now. Cameron is going to cut back education funding, but yet he is going to bring sports back into schools, something that his government scrapped.
Oh certainly Gordon brown is not as bad as Murdoch's rags suggest. I think he would be a good leader, but it is time for change. New labour is basically tory anyway.
@LiVeXb0X Yes but change for who, The Conservatives are going to sell my country down the drain. Scotlands new wind power farm will be built up and sold to some forgein investor, there going to put a meter on our water and they only got one seat. At least if the Lib Dems do team up with the tories thell lose all there seats up north. Change for the worst.
the bottom line is that smoking skunk too young is v.bad, smoking skunk any age is not a great idea. natural soil grown cannabis is the way forward, its the skunk that fucks people up. natural soil grown 'old school weed' is ALMOST harmless. its not as bad as what the press make out. you either legalise everything or ban everything. if alcohol was invented now it would be class A
@ollierussell1 Alcohol is a hard-drug. Start drinking on a regular basis and the risks are high that you will become addicted to Alcohol. When you are in privation of alcohol, the symptoms are everything but fun. Also, there is a whole lot of crimes and violence commited while under the effect of Alcohol, which makes it very very bad. For Cannabis, there has been no deaths recorded, and you don't lose control on weed like you do on beer.
@lafreniere666 no you are absolutley right, the amount of money it costs us to put right the damage caused by alcohol related stuff is astonishing. Think of all the people down A&E of a weekend, all the people that get arrested all that manpower waisted on a few pricks that cant handle their beer.
@AdamJKB i cant recall their names to be honnest, but take it from me there are MANY that state if alcohol was invented now it would be a class A. a professor that advised the goverment recently got fired because he said that statisically you have more chance of harming yourself on a horse than you do taking ecstasy. And yes a dose of heroin is no more harmful than a pint, okay its more addictive but thats all, i mean Its used in hospitals EVERYDAY.
@ollierussell1 Sorry but i will not just "take it from you" as reliable as the word of a random stranger on the internet is, if you cant back up your statement with actual proven facts you can't just state it and expect to not be challenged on it or have your words taken seriously. And given that you are such an expert on the effects of heroin and alcohol please provide clearly the pathophysiology behind the statement that a dose of heroin is no more harmful than a pint of lager.
@AdamJKB My knowledge of drugs comes from first hand personal experience my friend, and the experience of friends and family that have been using drugs since your mum was a just a twinkle in your grannys eye, not from what i have read in a book. He is Professor David Nutt, he stated the cold FACTS about many drugs and in return got the sack. Alcohol is far more toxic than many drugs, and in most cases it is far more addictive. Not just heroin but most drugs.
@ollierussell1 alson theres angus macqueen and roger pertwee, i suggest you get reading and get some life experience while your at it you jumped up 19 year old prick, instead of thinking you know it all.
@ollierussell1@ollierussell1 Firstly your only 4 years older than me and have no idea about my life and as far as i can see either of our experiences are totally irrelevant. Life experience is immaterial when it comes to deciding whether or not something is dangerous you have to look at facts. Alcohol is not as strongly as addictive as heroin and suggesting it is is simply ludicrous. Feel free to look at the online addiction journal for further information on addiction.
@AdamJKB I have never said that alcohol is more addictive than heroin, i said that it is less harmfull. Heroin is less toxic than alcohol when heroin is pure, however the extreme addictive nature of heroin obviously makes it the greater of two evils. But based on toxicity, alcohol is more dangerous. If you had a clean and pure source of heroin you could live the rest of your life and it wouldn't harm you. Its the crap they cut it with on the street and sharing needles that messes people up.
@ollierussell1 Also my other comment appears to have not posted but heroin is not used in hospital...because its too addictive. Alcohol is dangerous when it becomes a dependency and even so is still less dangerous than some class A drugs. Professor Nutt used a graph to show this. Alcohol which is the subject of our discussion NOT other drugs is most dangerous when abused and depended on or government guidelines would not be 3-4 units per day for a male.
@ollierussell1 Heroin however is extremly addictive and dangerous from the state hence its class a classification. And if you could refrain from name calling it would be greatly appreciated.
@ollierussell1 And also i've looked and cant see your experts saying alcohol being class A only that other drugs need to have their policies looked at. Can you show me an actual quote, based on peer reviewed evidence that alcohol should be a class A drug?
@AdamJKB The Guardian (2010) the study says that if drugs were classified on the basis of the harm they do, alcohol would be class A, alongside heroin and crack cocaine."
The Guardian (2007) "They say that if the current ABC system is retained, alcohol would be rated a class A drug and tobacco class B"
@ollierussell1 Skunk is a strain name....90% of the cannabis smoked is not Skunk. Why? Because skunk plants smell too much and yield very little.
There are hundreds of strains of cannabis but for some reason skunk is the only one ever mentioned.
All cannabis has been classed as Skunk by police and politicians to demonize it even further.
Old skool weed were just strains of what the media call Skunk...thia weed, Lambs bread, Acapulco Gold are all weed and therefor skunk in the media's view.
@lovinit19791 when i say skunk i mean, strong cannabis. Most weed is way too strong, compared to dope in the 60's an 70's. I think you have your numbers back to front...its 90% of dope that is too strong. I cant smoke dope thats too strong, i wanna chill not have some trippy sesh. THC levels should be capped if it ever is made legal.
if he comes in i bet my whole arse these talks will stop happening. i bet you nothing will change. god fucking help us all hahahahaha yea thats good i'll bun to that xo
Finally, a politician who is willing to admit the abhorrent scaremongering tactics used by governments to keep us all hooked on tobacco and alcohol because it's helping line their pockets. "Drugs" - as in a substances which change normal bodily functions can be dangerous. They can also be fun, and highly invaluable tools for healing, psychotherapy and self examination.. Policy needs to be made on FACT, not on decade old stereotypes proven to be false.
it makes me laugh how most of the real anti drug people are conservitive on the right and there main arguments are over exagerated health risks but then these people don't give a shit bout other people normaly.
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing, could be increased
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
@lovinit19791 When i say life i mean it gives people a hope of life if they suffer from illness. I would be dead if had not been for cannabis!
Ive suffered for 5 years from suspected gas poisoning, this has ruined my life. I couldnt eat because i felt so nautous all the time. I lost 2 stone in a year and have been unable to get it back. Cannabis has given me the appetite and relief from my daily hell. Without it i would have starved to death as my doctors mis diagnosed me :)
@lovinit19791 offcourse they could tax it, its the same with alcohol. You can brew your own but most people dont. They could make hydroponics licensed or something (probably not but just a suggestion). There is nothing wrong with ANY drug, that isn't wrong with tobacco or alcohol. Infact most drugs are better for you than tobacco or alcohol.
facts first it starts with short term memory loss,then as that gets worse,the brain is less strong as there less learning going on from short term going into the long term abilitys,next stage is a person starts to day dream & space out a lot because theres nothing for the brain to learn or go on from a memory shortage all you nuts on it feel so relaxed because its shuting down your natral alertness
you think its good because of the relaxing effects,yet you fail to research whats realy going on
@realityexplorations Yeah of course cannabis can affect short term memory if smoked in high amounts with high concentrations of THC such as sativa. I think your missing the point though there is no evidence of weed "shutting down the brain" and any studies that are done on weed saying that it causes a adverse effect on a person is allways counter-studied with positive research on the plant. I'm not saying it isn't harmless, i think too many people think its a type of scourge on society, its not
@rusherf4g Thats your experience of it. We dont know their backgrounds, they may have suffered other things leading to their decline....its easy to blame it on cannabis and avoid the real reasons.
Please do some reading before making outlandish claims :)
he was brilliant, fantastic in school, could learn anything inside out in 30 minutes. could recite Pi to fuck knows how many decimals.
now he can't even remember what I got him for his birthday.
and he's 16 years old. he had no other illnesses, he was checked for all of them since his mum was worried sick and didn't know why because he hid all his weed.
allow us to make "outlandish" claims if we've been affected badly by it.
@rusherf4g It's IMPOSSIBLE that weed caused that. He probably was taking other drugs like Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, also called Ecstasy), Cocaine, or other fucked up drugs. The studies made, "proving" that the use of Cannabis kill brain cells is totally invalid for the following reason:
@rusherf4g The scientists made the study on monkeys, by putting a gas mask attached to a joint, on the monkey's face. The monkeys were having sessions of 5 minutes of non-stop marijuana smoke. Now, after 4 minutes without having a minimum quantity of clear and pure oxygen, the first thing that happens is that your brain loses cells, which makes this study invalid.
@rusherf4g im with you on that one, seeing people on it and talking to them about somthing then them fogeting the whole converstaion the next second is hard to take especially when its a close friend
@lovinit19791 Not everyone can grow good quality weed. It is very hard and requires a lot of research on the subject before even thinking to start growing good quality weed. If it becomes legalized, the coffee-shops would have different strains of most-likely pretty good quality dank grew in professionals grow-rooms.
so how are you going to go about doing that? clegg, you basically said nothing, while the drug industry continue to get away with murder , making money from side effects and death, you stand there trying to look and sound all so credible,. well you bastard the public are not buying goverment bullshit anymore! wake the fuk up all of you! that goes for every party
You basically didn't understand, did you. If cannabis and other similar drugs are legalized then the prostitute rings, the crime and the murders would stop. It would be disingenuous to suggest that drugs are GOOD for the health, chocolate isn't; but that doesn't mean it is particularly harmful. No, in large quantities chocolate can be just as bad for you as cannabis. One may cause paranoia, but the other causes diabetes. I'd much rather have paranoia than be blind.
ive seen enough going on in the uk to know drug trafficing will not stop buy legalising canabiss etc.not to mention all the imports of drugs coming in from iraq,
personally i would rather be with out paranoia or blindness,which you probly allready have both of in a more metaphoric way
Heroin in the uk now has never been as cheap or as easily available than in the last 30 years .70 percent comes from iraq
in iraq there tradeing weapons for it,its way easyer to get hold of than canabis,
Yes you could be without, but you seem to be missing the point. I'm trying to suggest that cannabis, in moderation is not as dangerous as the supposed 'experts' proclaim. In large amounts, most things can be dangerous. Stay awake too long and you die, spend too much time in the cold and you'll die. None of these are classed and made illegal; but they are still dangerous. I don't have either paranoia or blindness; I have never smoked a joint and my eyesight is very good.
Wow, so much ignorance in these comments. Try working in mental health for 6 years and then tell me weed does no harm. The links between prolonged cannabis use and schizophrenia and drug induced psychosis are overwhelmingly obvious. The most vulnerable group of people to this are young men. And these illness are often a life sentence. There should be so much more publicity on the effects of canabis on mental health - I think a lot of people would think twice about sparking up a J then!
@Hollyvintage83 well obviously if you work in mental health then all the people you come across that have smoked it and have mental health issues, your naturally going to assume there is a link. If you smoke it too early in your teens then offcourse there is a higher chance of it fucking you up, weed is not a guranteed one way trip to psychosis for the vast majority.
@ollierussell1 Absolutely - not everyone that smokes will develop psychosis but does that mean we deny that that there is a problem or a link even? Not everyone that smokes develops cancer, not everyone that drinks becomes alcohol dependant but does that mean we should reccomend these things as harmless because you 'might be okay'! I believe in freedom of choice, i would not condone anyone that smoked weed and i have previously done so myself but it is important that people know the facts.
@Hollyvintage83 yeah your absolutley right, you are at a slightly higher risk of developing mental health problems. Honestly though, smoking dope does not 'dramatically' increase the likelihood of developing mental health problems. I have mental health problems myself and it helps me to smoke dope (occasionally), there are positives to drugs. Its not all negative. Making criminals out of otherwise honest people is not the way forward.
@ollierussell1 I agree with you too and also i agree that smoking weed for some people is beneficial (i.e ME sufferers, etc) however I guess for me (and i did smoke daily for a year in my early 20's and ended up pretty messed up) it's just not worth the risk. I do believe that all drugs should be decriminalised and properly managed to help reduce crime and properly manage addiction and the substances that are mixed in with drugs.
@ollierussell1 My original post was not because i have an issue to the legalisation of drugs my main concern is for the people that deny that there is any ill effects from smoking weed therefore encouraging younger more impressionable people to do so. It sounds to me like you are informed and self aware individual with common sense and i'm sure if you found that weed made you paranoid you'd knock it on the head like i did.
@lovinit19791 Oh dear! You are completely misinformed. I'd be really interested to know where you got these facts from as there have been many studies proving the links between cannabis use and mental health problems. For example one major study found that young people that used cannabis were FOUR TIMES more likely to develop a psychotic disorder by the age of 25!!!! As far as i am concerned, smoke to your heats contents but do not misinform others.
" Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability"
This clearly shows that its not the cannabis its the persons genetic makeup.
Cannabis may be a trigger but so may alcohol or prescription drugs.
None of the research proves cannabis causes mental health...its just implied or suggested...that does not equal fact :(
This guy wants drugs to be analyzed by scientists who are impartial and will tell us the facts!
Y'know what this means? Legal weed in a matter of years! Almost every report set up by governments has come back saying Cannabis is less harmful than Alcohol or Cigarettes and that there's no reason it should be illegal.
he obviously privately thinks that drugs should be legalised. YES!!! there might be some change from this stupid fucking retarded prohibition policy. good man.
if you want to see any kind of drugs reform in this country in the next parliament and lets face it, it couldn't get any worse than the present situation then lib dem are the party to go with. The war on drugs is affecting everyone in a negative way. there is a saying, you don't know til you try. oh, just remembered, the war on drugs does line the pockets of organised criminals and feeds our unfair global capitalist system so its positive for some people!
Secondly, CANNABIS IS UNHEALTHY, it doesn't necessarily kill you but it is still bad.
Lastly, I don't give a 'flying fuck' about some shit to do with the lumber business in the USA in 1673 or whenever, it doesn't have anything to do with this; it's an axiom.
Another axiom-based argument showing nothing but the obvious...
Yeah, yeah; we get it. The Sun and Daily Mail tell lies, we know. We need independent boards investigating the dangers of different drugs to help make decisions based on them.
What he's managed to avoid for anyone who was stupid enough to miss it is actually saying anything about what he thinks. He's just giving lip service and he can't offer any new developments on the area of drugs.
@VeltasVandegere Actually he's suggesting that the experts are listened to as oppose to firing them when they say anything which isn't status quo which seems to be this governments policy
finally a sense talking politician, basically saying "dont listen to frightened MPs in panic by the media" and saying "lets listen to the experts" lovely, thats how it should be done
Make drugs legal, just give proper teaching about it. Smoking and drinking alcohol is already legal, and they're harmful. If legalized, at least it would be certain what's actually going into them minus all the added nasties put in to make it look like more. Plus the added tax on it would be insane...
if it were legalised our lords and masters would slap a tax on it that was so high the common man would still go to the dealers for a fair deal my body my choice
dan3mon 7 months ago
How to win the war on drugs? Declare victory and legalise it, that way those pedalling drugs are no longer criminals and no longer your enemy. Or boil your head in acid and stop trying to claim ownership of my body, I'm not your slave and I'll do what I wish with my own body. Thanks a bunch and fuck off you snivelling slimy cunt.
frostyuk2007 9 months ago
sack the fucking lot of them and replace them with potheads
smudge13uk 10 months ago
Legalise. Control. Test/Regulate. Tax.
0ct0parr0t 10 months ago
LEGALIZE CANNABIS!!
willwazere2 1 year ago
GAGGING FOR A SPLIFF
henryrulezftw 1 year ago
CUNT.
hombrerelents 1 year ago
How could he say so much truth and then do the opposite as soon as he gets in? He says"Experts should lead this debate" then removes the requirement for any experts to actually be on the council.
What the fuck?
hhwha1 1 year ago
@hhwha1 Exactly. Either the conspiracy theorists are right and there is larger powers at work... or this guy is a complete and utter cunt.
joe588 1 year ago
@hhwha1 My father is 65 years old and says politicians have been lying since he can remember.
So the question here isn't "why do they lie", it's why the fuck do we listen?
CannabisCorporation 10 months ago
giggle giggle, fact is your a bell-end. Talk tough about this and that then get bummed by Davey boy.
Great thing about this ConDem alliance is that the yellows will be as relevant as the greens and alot less significant than the BNP. I would rather vote for Cancer.
Do you think you have made a mistake yet?
Why do I think I am writing to Nick?
Is it because of all these drugs I do?
Probably!
paulieeee 1 year ago
Look at it this way, people are going to get hold of and abuse drugs. You can either make money from it, or lose money fighting it. Your choice.
leemond09 1 year ago 13
@leemond09 Good point; if drugs were available on the free market, the government would benefit enormously in terms of tax.
4libertarianism 7 months ago
Hahahaha Daily Fail bless their pathetic little opinions hahaha. But fuck you Clegg saying you would legalise the herb then shitting youself once your in office. Cunt.
Ste0wnz 1 year ago
You need to stop the 'War on drugs' completely as it is pointless and infringing on our liberties.
Badgerinthenight 1 year ago 2
legalize cannabis hang crack and heroin addicts
peppersdog1 1 year ago
So why in the name of all things holy isnt he doing what he say's
adrianbarratt 1 year ago 2
@adrianbarratt
People lie. Politicians have a knack for it.
alrdd 1 year ago
nick clegg please try to actually do something about our absurd drug laws instead of sucking off cameron.
qloudz 1 year ago 28
@qloudz Comment of win
az824 1 year ago
Dear Nick Clegg, We voted for you, so when the hell are things going to change then?!! Absolutely nothing has changed in regards to drug policy in this country - in fact you are simply banning more substances and making criminals out of even more users!
MostlyMowieWowie 1 year ago
The argument for legalising drugs is logical...If there was some kind of national drugs board, people could ensure that what they were getting was actually good. I don't think it would make any more people do drugs than already do to be honest...
LunarEcli 1 year ago 2
Well said! I can't see how Jaqui Smith could make a comeback to that - but shes probably too busy buying more real estate with my income tax.
thinkbig56 1 year ago
Well said. Let's have drug policy in the UK decided logically, rationally and objectively.
Then we can all have a spliff and mellow out.
Get rid of all this shit grown under lights that drives you barmy.
Tax the stuff and let's have good weed grown in the sunshine like God intended.
cabadejo 1 year ago
@cabadejo grown in what sunshine lol.its not like we get the same weather as Jamaica
DrautBlackMetal 1 year ago
making weed legal is just going to promote teenagers getting high all the time and damaging themselves like ciggies do!
hmfrx 1 year ago
wtf!!!! everyone is voting nick clegg yet he isnt winning david cameron is
pokemaniac7654 1 year ago 2
ollierussell1 so the 3 hours taken booking me could of only taken 10-15 mins and the other 2hrs and 45 mins could of been spent looking for big dealers. Its not rocket science ollierussell1
johnafer 1 year ago
@johnafer I dont know why your getting arsey with me pal, i agree with you. You said they should spend time catching dealers, and i told you they do. Just because you were unlucky and got caught you cant see that. The police have to be hard on drugs because the politicians demand it, i hope that changes but i doubt it will. Police time is wasted much more on other things besides drugs.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
So in answer to your question ollierussell1 about the police just letting me go.Yes, if the laws were changed to be more tolerant with drugs in smaller quantitys as Mr clegg suggested then the 3 hours of police time that was wasted booking me wouldnt of happened. They could of taken the coke off me checked my details and let me go with a caution
johnafer 1 year ago
@johnafer Yes and that is allready what the police do, depending what class the drug is and how much you have. And also you previous record. Coke is class A, thats why they took you in. Mate, you cant expect to carry coke around and then when you get caught moan about being at the satation for 3 hours.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
Ok ollierussell1 again you are totally missing the point. From the moment i got caught till the moment i was let go it took 3 hours,. I got my picture taken, interviewed, etc. The coppers were spot on! we spent the whole time speaking about football, cars etc. Now the coppers knew why i was there was stupid but they were just following procedure. I know this because they told me this
johnafer 1 year ago
@johnafer im not missing the point at all, i know it was a waste of time, you know it was a waste of time and so do the police. However, the police allready spend alot of time catching dealers. Coke is illeagal, if the police happen to find you with half a gram, they have to punish you.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
Omg Finally! Some sense from a politician!
155bpmikey 1 year ago
they need to get this in the deal
UnDeRDoG1984 1 year ago
Yay! Drugs
mrpoopomaximus 1 year ago
i get paranoid whenever i'm on weed because i can feel myself losing brain cells and turning into a retard but there's nothing i can do about it.
rusherf4g 1 year ago
@rusherf4g thats not true at all man. Yea fair enough you might get paranoid ,but thats to to do with your own mental state and perhaps your unwillingness to lose control whilst smoking the plant. Losing brain cells? thats not true at all, perhaps the smoke inhalation may trigger some of that but not the plant itself. Its been proven that nicotine smoke is by FAR much more harmful than cannabis smoke. If smoking the plant bothers you try one of the many other methods of consuming it.
philgreener 1 year ago
@philgreener
nahhh because I'm fine losing control when I'm on alcohol because it depletes inhibition more without making me feel uncomfortable.
rusherf4g 1 year ago
@rusherf4g Oh really? Losing control and deciding to drive that one fine-chick home (but don't give a fuck to drive while being very drunk just because you want to fuck her ) and then drive over a kid or any other crap like that, you will regret this all your life in a fucking jail cell.
lafreniere666 1 year ago
@lafreniere666
at least I got an awesome lay.
YEAH!
rusherf4g 1 year ago
@lafreniere666
oh and, uh, cool it sunshine. you're getting a boner. go smoke some weed.
rusherf4g 1 year ago
ollierussell1 NO THEY DONT OR ELSE THEY WOULD BE NO DRUGS ON THE STREET WOULD THERE!!??
johnafer 1 year ago
@johnafer I'm not saying they catch EVERY dealer and supplyer, but do you honestly think they only arrest the consumers and dont bother with the dealers and supplyers??? You said yourself the police that arrested you all knew it was a waste of police time, do you honestly expect them to find you with a bit of coke and then let you go...think it through mate
ollierussell1 1 year ago
I got stopped a few years ago with a half a gram cocaine in a night club. I got taken to the police station and since ive never been in trouble with the police before i got a caution. however i did have to spend about an hour and a half in the police station getting interviewed, pictures and fingerprints taken. The police knew it was a stupid procedure but it needed to be done. I AM SORRY BUT THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF POLICE TIME!! SPEND TIME ON CATCHING THE REAL DEALERS.. THE SUPPLYERS!!!
johnafer 1 year ago
@johnafer ...they do
ollierussell1 1 year ago
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I Hope people boycott The Sun newspaper who is trying to use its influence to persuade voters to the Tories, The super rich tycoon wants to decide the next government, Newspapers should report actual, factual news not use their media empires to be able to choose who they want in power. Rich wanting influence again like Lord Ashcroft using his tax avoidance to pay the Scamerons campaign!
nerolyle 1 year ago
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I Hope people boycott The Sun newspaper who is trying to use its influence to persuade voters to the Tories, The super rich tycoon wants to decide the next government, Newspapers should report actual, factual news not use their media empires to be able to choose who they want in power. Rich wanting influence again like Lord Ashcroft using his tax avoidance to pay the Scamerons campaign!
nerolyle 1 year ago
alcohol AND WEED Legal!= more money flow (tax ect) more jobs and less crime= are politicians actually in touch
albondeb 1 year ago
The Tory Offer is for a divided society.
No thanks, Dave.
Stkildaswish 1 year ago
The drug Barron's want drugs illegal it helps greatly with there profits, sadly it drives poor people to prostitution and crime wile the rich pop stars and film stars can afford the government inflated prices that are driven up by the government enforcers.Look at how all the bootleggers disappeared when alcohol was legalised in America..Its simple common sense.
youraslave 1 year ago 2
There should be a test before a politician could stand in Parliament where he or she have built up there own successful profitable business because we keep getting all these fools who have been taught how to think.none of the politicians could build a successfull biz so it will always be a recipe for disaster being led by idiots who would not no where to start creating,they all experts at spending other peoples money to make themselves look good, that's it!
youraslave 1 year ago
Smoke weed everyday.
Stevedeek19821982 1 year ago
Clegg is right, we need to look at the facts and make policy based on what works rather than what sounds good. I'm fed up with politicians pandering to popular opinion just because they want to gain/stay in power.
hendigon 1 year ago
nick clegg ftw!
ps. in 14 i dnt really hav a mature opinion on this.. i just think he doesnt hav any contreversy(spelling?) and stuff like that!
XxRedFlamesxX 1 year ago
The war on drugs is fucking pointless. If they legalised all class drugs the criminals would be out of business overnight.
They're too brain dead to realise that of course. So they pour ever more of my taxes into a futile "war" which simply cannot be won.
It's like the war on going bald for 40 something men.
nickbaldeagle01 1 year ago
@nickbaldeagle01
Because legalising crack cocaine and crystal meth would really benefit society. Right?
Such an immature and uniformed viewpoint.
testify321 1 year ago
@testify321 Yes. Think about it. If it was legally available druggies wouldn't have to keep paying criminal dealers who in turn run organised crime and prostitution rings.
So they'd be out of business overnight and the druggies would probably kill themselves anyway by O.D. so they no longer steal to pay for drugs.
Win win.
nickbaldeagle01 1 year ago
Not one of these idiots deserves to run the country. They are only interested in feathering their own nests, not running the country for the benefit of the people who have to live by the rules they force upon.
nickbaldeagle01 1 year ago 2
@nickbaldeagle01 Your absolutely right Nick, none of them deserve to run our country but the thing is that none of them are also capable of running it either that is wy they are there acting as front men the thing is that nobody who is capable will ever get into power because the real secret leaders who control the pretend leaders don't want anybody with common sense cuz they would ask questions
youraslave 1 year ago
I would highly recomend that people search for "Ewan Hoyle", Founder of Liberal Democrats for Drug Policy Reform, to find out the thinking behind liberal democrat drugs policy and then decide whether it makes sense as 58 seconds isn't long enough to give anyone time to explain anything
RollandSmokeAB 1 year ago
Well i wanna vote Monster Raving Looney Party
xSkwiiRuLzxHD 1 year ago
Clegg's strikes me as a kid playing with the big boys, too exciteable and far too unprofessional overall, but that's just me. Cameron all the way
Kalcite 1 year ago
@Kalcite No. Cameron is a smarmy tory. Tories are bad. Smarmy tories are even worsee
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
The government could pay off the defecit with taxes from legalised drugs.
RobDeManc 1 year ago 28
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What's with all you faggot students voting Lib Dem because it's the cool thing to do? Fucking retards.
0MeaNis0 1 year ago
Gible's Valley is gay
SuperSnorlaxForums 1 year ago
I really don't think Nick Clegg is the right man to run this country, it's acctually very scary thinking that he could be in control.
TheAsandZs 1 year ago
@TheAsandZs He has no chance of running the country, the only way he could have a slight input this time is via a hung parliment; and judging by the EXT poll at the moment it seems it may be that way. I really don't think that it would be scary, I would prefer him to the leaders of the other leading parties any day of the week.
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
@LiVeXb0X The best man for this country is Gordon Brown. It's just too dangerous to change governments right now. Cameron is going to cut back education funding, but yet he is going to bring sports back into schools, something that his government scrapped.
TheAsandZs 1 year ago
@TheAsandZs
Oh certainly Gordon brown is not as bad as Murdoch's rags suggest. I think he would be a good leader, but it is time for change. New labour is basically tory anyway.
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
@LiVeXb0X Yes but change for who, The Conservatives are going to sell my country down the drain. Scotlands new wind power farm will be built up and sold to some forgein investor, there going to put a meter on our water and they only got one seat. At least if the Lib Dems do team up with the tories thell lose all there seats up north. Change for the worst.
TheAsandZs 1 year ago
@TheAsandZs
A fair point.
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
the bottom line is that smoking skunk too young is v.bad, smoking skunk any age is not a great idea. natural soil grown cannabis is the way forward, its the skunk that fucks people up. natural soil grown 'old school weed' is ALMOST harmless. its not as bad as what the press make out. you either legalise everything or ban everything. if alcohol was invented now it would be class A
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 oh and the alcohol being a class A is a view shared by allmost all experts in the field...its not just my opinion.
ollierussell1 1 year ago 17
@ollierussell1 Alcohol is a hard-drug. Start drinking on a regular basis and the risks are high that you will become addicted to Alcohol. When you are in privation of alcohol, the symptoms are everything but fun. Also, there is a whole lot of crimes and violence commited while under the effect of Alcohol, which makes it very very bad. For Cannabis, there has been no deaths recorded, and you don't lose control on weed like you do on beer.
lafreniere666 1 year ago
@lafreniere666 no you are absolutley right, the amount of money it costs us to put right the damage caused by alcohol related stuff is astonishing. Think of all the people down A&E of a weekend, all the people that get arrested all that manpower waisted on a few pricks that cant handle their beer.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Which experts cite your sources. Are you seriously saying a pint of lager is the same as a dose of heroin...
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@AdamJKB i cant recall their names to be honnest, but take it from me there are MANY that state if alcohol was invented now it would be a class A. a professor that advised the goverment recently got fired because he said that statisically you have more chance of harming yourself on a horse than you do taking ecstasy. And yes a dose of heroin is no more harmful than a pint, okay its more addictive but thats all, i mean Its used in hospitals EVERYDAY.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Sorry but i will not just "take it from you" as reliable as the word of a random stranger on the internet is, if you cant back up your statement with actual proven facts you can't just state it and expect to not be challenged on it or have your words taken seriously. And given that you are such an expert on the effects of heroin and alcohol please provide clearly the pathophysiology behind the statement that a dose of heroin is no more harmful than a pint of lager.
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@AdamJKB My knowledge of drugs comes from first hand personal experience my friend, and the experience of friends and family that have been using drugs since your mum was a just a twinkle in your grannys eye, not from what i have read in a book. He is Professor David Nutt, he stated the cold FACTS about many drugs and in return got the sack. Alcohol is far more toxic than many drugs, and in most cases it is far more addictive. Not just heroin but most drugs.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 alson theres angus macqueen and roger pertwee, i suggest you get reading and get some life experience while your at it you jumped up 19 year old prick, instead of thinking you know it all.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 @ollierussell1 Firstly your only 4 years older than me and have no idea about my life and as far as i can see either of our experiences are totally irrelevant. Life experience is immaterial when it comes to deciding whether or not something is dangerous you have to look at facts. Alcohol is not as strongly as addictive as heroin and suggesting it is is simply ludicrous. Feel free to look at the online addiction journal for further information on addiction.
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@AdamJKB I have never said that alcohol is more addictive than heroin, i said that it is less harmfull. Heroin is less toxic than alcohol when heroin is pure, however the extreme addictive nature of heroin obviously makes it the greater of two evils. But based on toxicity, alcohol is more dangerous. If you had a clean and pure source of heroin you could live the rest of your life and it wouldn't harm you. Its the crap they cut it with on the street and sharing needles that messes people up.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Also my other comment appears to have not posted but heroin is not used in hospital...because its too addictive. Alcohol is dangerous when it becomes a dependency and even so is still less dangerous than some class A drugs. Professor Nutt used a graph to show this. Alcohol which is the subject of our discussion NOT other drugs is most dangerous when abused and depended on or government guidelines would not be 3-4 units per day for a male.
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Heroin however is extremly addictive and dangerous from the state hence its class a classification. And if you could refrain from name calling it would be greatly appreciated.
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 And also i've looked and cant see your experts saying alcohol being class A only that other drugs need to have their policies looked at. Can you show me an actual quote, based on peer reviewed evidence that alcohol should be a class A drug?
AdamJKB 1 year ago
@AdamJKB okay im going to message you as the character limit is rather low on this comment section.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@AdamJKB The Guardian (2010) the study says that if drugs were classified on the basis of the harm they do, alcohol would be class A, alongside heroin and crack cocaine."
The Guardian (2007) "They say that if the current ABC system is retained, alcohol would be rated a class A drug and tobacco class B"
KoRnyGirlx 3 months ago
@ollierussell1 even if it was class A i'd still get Wasted :D
Parodyguy001 1 year ago
@Parodyguy001 damn straight, alcohol is the shizzness.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Skunk is a strain name....90% of the cannabis smoked is not Skunk. Why? Because skunk plants smell too much and yield very little.
There are hundreds of strains of cannabis but for some reason skunk is the only one ever mentioned.
All cannabis has been classed as Skunk by police and politicians to demonize it even further.
Old skool weed were just strains of what the media call Skunk...thia weed, Lambs bread, Acapulco Gold are all weed and therefor skunk in the media's view.
lovinit19791 1 year ago
@lovinit19791 when i say skunk i mean, strong cannabis. Most weed is way too strong, compared to dope in the 60's an 70's. I think you have your numbers back to front...its 90% of dope that is too strong. I cant smoke dope thats too strong, i wanna chill not have some trippy sesh. THC levels should be capped if it ever is made legal.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
Jakemeow you dont even live in britain so why are you crying
MrLileazye 1 year ago
if he comes in i bet my whole arse these talks will stop happening. i bet you nothing will change. god fucking help us all hahahahaha yea thats good i'll bun to that xo
Jakemeow49 1 year ago
Finally, a politician who is willing to admit the abhorrent scaremongering tactics used by governments to keep us all hooked on tobacco and alcohol because it's helping line their pockets. "Drugs" - as in a substances which change normal bodily functions can be dangerous. They can also be fun, and highly invaluable tools for healing, psychotherapy and self examination.. Policy needs to be made on FACT, not on decade old stereotypes proven to be false.
everyonedoesit2 1 year ago
He is the only politican that actually looks at drug policy with a clear head and a reasoned approach. I'm voting for him...
reallynaked 1 year ago
HE WANTS TO LEGALIZE FUKIN WEED!
JazLFC1 1 year ago
it makes me laugh how most of the real anti drug people are conservitive on the right and there main arguments are over exagerated health risks but then these people don't give a shit bout other people normaly.
sjewitt22 1 year ago
Drugs are nice. Get over it. Policitcal noobs.
Lordneoify 1 year ago
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Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing, could be increased
curtis044 1 year ago
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Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
curtis044 1 year ago
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
curtis044 1 year ago
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curtis044 1 year ago
LEGALISE FUCKING CANNABIS!!! the most harmless, peaceful drug!! its a PLANT!!! how can a Government make a PLANT illegal?!?? fucksake
tiddlywinks98712 1 year ago
the police arrests any one who smokes it then wonders why we get paranoia
cjcourtenayuk 1 year ago
Completely agree with you mate, wats fair is fair
mhassanraza 1 year ago
The war on drugs cannot be won...its like the war on terror!
The reason cannabis was made illegal....RACISM and thats a fact...look it up :)
The reason they wont legalize it....because they cant tax it....any one can grow!
Just legalize it and stop messing about...we all know its better for you than alcohol, tobacco, LEGAL highs, and prescription drugs!
Millions of people smoke it in the UK...its easy pickings for police though and the £60 fine...what would they do if it was legal!!!!
lovinit19791 1 year ago 26
@lovinit19791 "better for you" perhaps 'slightly less bad for you' would be a better phrase
Aristox116 1 year ago
@Aristox116 Im not too sure to be honest i think " better for you " is almost perfect phrasing :)
If you look at the evidence you will find that cannabis actually lessens the risk of a person getting cancer. This has got to be a good thing :)
People become less anxious and stressed....thats a good thing too right :)
People talk about varied interesting topics ( expands your mind )...good too :)
Other medicle applications include pain relief, depression, eating disorders, It brings people life
lovinit19791 1 year ago
@lovinit19791 When i say life i mean it gives people a hope of life if they suffer from illness. I would be dead if had not been for cannabis!
Ive suffered for 5 years from suspected gas poisoning, this has ruined my life. I couldnt eat because i felt so nautous all the time. I lost 2 stone in a year and have been unable to get it back. Cannabis has given me the appetite and relief from my daily hell. Without it i would have starved to death as my doctors mis diagnosed me :)
lovinit19791 1 year ago
@lovinit19791 offcourse they could tax it, its the same with alcohol. You can brew your own but most people dont. They could make hydroponics licensed or something (probably not but just a suggestion). There is nothing wrong with ANY drug, that isn't wrong with tobacco or alcohol. Infact most drugs are better for you than tobacco or alcohol.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 lol
realityexplorations 1 year ago
@lovinit19791
no, cannabis is not better for you than tobacco.
i know many people, friends and family members, who were destroyed by the drug.
so don't go talking about it like it's harmless.
rusherf4g 1 year ago
@rusherf4g destroyed by cannabis? how?
Learoy76 1 year ago
facts first it starts with short term memory loss,then as that gets worse,the brain is less strong as there less learning going on from short term going into the long term abilitys,next stage is a person starts to day dream & space out a lot because theres nothing for the brain to learn or go on from a memory shortage all you nuts on it feel so relaxed because its shuting down your natral alertness
you think its good because of the relaxing effects,yet you fail to research whats realy going on
realityexplorations 1 year ago
@realityexplorations Yeah of course cannabis can affect short term memory if smoked in high amounts with high concentrations of THC such as sativa. I think your missing the point though there is no evidence of weed "shutting down the brain" and any studies that are done on weed saying that it causes a adverse effect on a person is allways counter-studied with positive research on the plant. I'm not saying it isn't harmless, i think too many people think its a type of scourge on society, its not
Zk1f3r 1 year ago
@rusherf4g Thats your experience of it. We dont know their backgrounds, they may have suffered other things leading to their decline....its easy to blame it on cannabis and avoid the real reasons.
Please do some reading before making outlandish claims :)
lovinit19791 1 year ago
@lovinit19791
he was brilliant, fantastic in school, could learn anything inside out in 30 minutes. could recite Pi to fuck knows how many decimals.
now he can't even remember what I got him for his birthday.
and he's 16 years old. he had no other illnesses, he was checked for all of them since his mum was worried sick and didn't know why because he hid all his weed.
allow us to make "outlandish" claims if we've been affected badly by it.
rusherf4g 1 year ago
@rusherf4g It's IMPOSSIBLE that weed caused that. He probably was taking other drugs like Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, also called Ecstasy), Cocaine, or other fucked up drugs. The studies made, "proving" that the use of Cannabis kill brain cells is totally invalid for the following reason:
lafreniere666 1 year ago
@rusherf4g The scientists made the study on monkeys, by putting a gas mask attached to a joint, on the monkey's face. The monkeys were having sessions of 5 minutes of non-stop marijuana smoke. Now, after 4 minutes without having a minimum quantity of clear and pure oxygen, the first thing that happens is that your brain loses cells, which makes this study invalid.
lafreniere666 1 year ago
@rusherf4g anything which is abused can be harmful! i think alcohol and tobacco cause more harm then cannabis!
curtis044 1 year ago
@rusherf4g well i know plenty of people who were destroyed by alcohol and tobacco. i also know someone who was helped through chemo by cannabis.
so dont go playing to mercy card.
AnonDJ 1 year ago
@rusherf4g im with you on that one, seeing people on it and talking to them about somthing then them fogeting the whole converstaion the next second is hard to take especially when its a close friend
realityexplorations 1 year ago
@lovinit19791 Not everyone can grow good quality weed. It is very hard and requires a lot of research on the subject before even thinking to start growing good quality weed. If it becomes legalized, the coffee-shops would have different strains of most-likely pretty good quality dank grew in professionals grow-rooms.
lafreniere666 1 year ago
@lafreniere666 I dissagree. Its called weed for a reason lol.
Pot of soil, light, water job done. Its not hard, its just made to look hard so people dont attempt it.
People have their own oppinion on how to grow....it doesnt mean they are right.
Its easy to grow, as easy as growing tomato's or onions :)
Weed is a tough plant that requires little attention in my experience...im no professional and i grow some kick ass weed :)
lovinit19791 1 year ago
Well said Nick.
Don't vote Labo(u)r; don't vote Tory.
PNETriffid 1 year ago
Amen.
NotEvsie 1 year ago
so how are you going to go about doing that? clegg, you basically said nothing, while the drug industry continue to get away with murder , making money from side effects and death, you stand there trying to look and sound all so credible,. well you bastard the public are not buying goverment bullshit anymore! wake the fuk up all of you! that goes for every party
realityexplorations 1 year ago
@realityexplorations
You basically didn't understand, did you. If cannabis and other similar drugs are legalized then the prostitute rings, the crime and the murders would stop. It would be disingenuous to suggest that drugs are GOOD for the health, chocolate isn't; but that doesn't mean it is particularly harmful. No, in large quantities chocolate can be just as bad for you as cannabis. One may cause paranoia, but the other causes diabetes. I'd much rather have paranoia than be blind.
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
ive seen enough going on in the uk to know drug trafficing will not stop buy legalising canabiss etc.not to mention all the imports of drugs coming in from iraq,
personally i would rather be with out paranoia or blindness,which you probly allready have both of in a more metaphoric way
Heroin in the uk now has never been as cheap or as easily available than in the last 30 years .70 percent comes from iraq
in iraq there tradeing weapons for it,its way easyer to get hold of than canabis,
realityexplorations 1 year ago
@realityexplorations
Yes you could be without, but you seem to be missing the point. I'm trying to suggest that cannabis, in moderation is not as dangerous as the supposed 'experts' proclaim. In large amounts, most things can be dangerous. Stay awake too long and you die, spend too much time in the cold and you'll die. None of these are classed and made illegal; but they are still dangerous. I don't have either paranoia or blindness; I have never smoked a joint and my eyesight is very good.
LiVeXb0X 1 year ago
Wow, so much ignorance in these comments. Try working in mental health for 6 years and then tell me weed does no harm. The links between prolonged cannabis use and schizophrenia and drug induced psychosis are overwhelmingly obvious. The most vulnerable group of people to this are young men. And these illness are often a life sentence. There should be so much more publicity on the effects of canabis on mental health - I think a lot of people would think twice about sparking up a J then!
Hollyvintage83 1 year ago
@Hollyvintage83 well obviously if you work in mental health then all the people you come across that have smoked it and have mental health issues, your naturally going to assume there is a link. If you smoke it too early in your teens then offcourse there is a higher chance of it fucking you up, weed is not a guranteed one way trip to psychosis for the vast majority.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 Absolutely - not everyone that smokes will develop psychosis but does that mean we deny that that there is a problem or a link even? Not everyone that smokes develops cancer, not everyone that drinks becomes alcohol dependant but does that mean we should reccomend these things as harmless because you 'might be okay'! I believe in freedom of choice, i would not condone anyone that smoked weed and i have previously done so myself but it is important that people know the facts.
Hollyvintage83 1 year ago
@Hollyvintage83 yeah your absolutley right, you are at a slightly higher risk of developing mental health problems. Honestly though, smoking dope does not 'dramatically' increase the likelihood of developing mental health problems. I have mental health problems myself and it helps me to smoke dope (occasionally), there are positives to drugs. Its not all negative. Making criminals out of otherwise honest people is not the way forward.
ollierussell1 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 I agree with you too and also i agree that smoking weed for some people is beneficial (i.e ME sufferers, etc) however I guess for me (and i did smoke daily for a year in my early 20's and ended up pretty messed up) it's just not worth the risk. I do believe that all drugs should be decriminalised and properly managed to help reduce crime and properly manage addiction and the substances that are mixed in with drugs.
Hollyvintage83 1 year ago
@ollierussell1 My original post was not because i have an issue to the legalisation of drugs my main concern is for the people that deny that there is any ill effects from smoking weed therefore encouraging younger more impressionable people to do so. It sounds to me like you are informed and self aware individual with common sense and i'm sure if you found that weed made you paranoid you'd knock it on the head like i did.
Hollyvintage83 1 year ago
@Hollyvintage83 Your 100% wrong for a so called professional.
There is NO scientific proof linking any type of mental illness to cannabis...there are theories but these have been disproved over and over again.
There are a number of companies even here in the UK that produce cannabis based drugs...Sativex and Marinol are just 2.
CBD which is in cannabis is an ANTI-PSYCHOTIC substance.
We should follow the americans and make it legal as a prescription drug, it would save MILLIONS£££
lovinit19791 1 year ago
@lovinit19791 Oh dear! You are completely misinformed. I'd be really interested to know where you got these facts from as there have been many studies proving the links between cannabis use and mental health problems. For example one major study found that young people that used cannabis were FOUR TIMES more likely to develop a psychotic disorder by the age of 25!!!! As far as i am concerned, smoke to your heats contents but do not misinform others.
Hollyvintage83 1 year ago
@Hollyvintage83
" Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability"
This clearly shows that its not the cannabis its the persons genetic makeup.
Cannabis may be a trigger but so may alcohol or prescription drugs.
None of the research proves cannabis causes mental health...its just implied or suggested...that does not equal fact :(
lovinit19791 1 year ago
GWANNNNN THE LIB DEMS!!!!
conor1236955 1 year ago
This guy has a CLEGG in his pants.
iamBRANKK 1 year ago
This guy wants drugs to be analyzed by scientists who are impartial and will tell us the facts!
Y'know what this means? Legal weed in a matter of years! Almost every report set up by governments has come back saying Cannabis is less harmful than Alcohol or Cigarettes and that there's no reason it should be illegal.
VOTE FOR THIS MAN.
Lpoolboy 1 year ago
he obviously privately thinks that drugs should be legalised. YES!!! there might be some change from this stupid fucking retarded prohibition policy. good man.
up2trix 1 year ago
if you want to see any kind of drugs reform in this country in the next parliament and lets face it, it couldn't get any worse than the present situation then lib dem are the party to go with. The war on drugs is affecting everyone in a negative way. there is a saying, you don't know til you try. oh, just remembered, the war on drugs does line the pockets of organised criminals and feeds our unfair global capitalist system so its positive for some people!
alexxb32 1 year ago
if he comes into power and doesn't legalise cannabis, i'll be laying his ass out
TheOneAndOnlyGloopy 1 year ago
@TheOneAndOnlyGloopy ummm well he probly enjoy that. they all srew each other anyway, while we the public are running around clueless.
realityexplorations 1 year ago
Nick Clegg is G.
zkureeman 1 year ago 13
nice nervous laugh ya prick.
realityexplorations 1 year ago
Firstly; he hasn't said anything about cannabis.
Secondly, CANNABIS IS UNHEALTHY, it doesn't necessarily kill you but it is still bad.
Lastly, I don't give a 'flying fuck' about some shit to do with the lumber business in the USA in 1673 or whenever, it doesn't have anything to do with this; it's an axiom.
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
Another axiom-based argument showing nothing but the obvious...
Yeah, yeah; we get it. The Sun and Daily Mail tell lies, we know. We need independent boards investigating the dangers of different drugs to help make decisions based on them.
What he's managed to avoid for anyone who was stupid enough to miss it is actually saying anything about what he thinks. He's just giving lip service and he can't offer any new developments on the area of drugs.
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
@VeltasVandegere Actually he's suggesting that the experts are listened to as oppose to firing them when they say anything which isn't status quo which seems to be this governments policy
beneveol 1 year ago
finally a sense talking politician, basically saying "dont listen to frightened MPs in panic by the media" and saying "lets listen to the experts" lovely, thats how it should be done
fudge1monkey 1 year ago 2
whoever legalises weed wins , put it that way.
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cwoodsfwoods09 1 year ago
everything in moderation, u take 20 paracetamol an that will fuck u up more then a g of chalie or an 8th of bud on the weekend
ARJAN123123 1 year ago
Legalise Cannabis Resin / Grass and you have my vote plus the fact of about 10million more..
rolladooby 1 year ago
@rolladooby Amen brother.
Nick Clegg seems to have more sense than any PM in my 41 years on this planet. Nick for PM NOW!
Geemonster69 1 year ago
finally a step in the right direction
str8ridah786 1 year ago
@str8ridah786 huuhuy
zarmanadoukt 1 year ago
Make drugs legal, just give proper teaching about it. Smoking and drinking alcohol is already legal, and they're harmful. If legalized, at least it would be certain what's actually going into them minus all the added nasties put in to make it look like more. Plus the added tax on it would be insane...
TomTheH 1 year ago 2
why don't they just ban every other drug except weed, seriously, that would actually solve all problems. you can't get rid of the ganja!
converseshoeboy 1 year ago
It sounds like a movement in the right direction, but will mostly likely just fall back on the good old, reefer madness idea.
bat2006 1 year ago
sounded like he was going to say "loot" instead of "lead" lol
MisutaGameBoi 1 year ago