I think this video is great I mean it is teaching your children healthy choices and not only that when they get older and start buying their own groceries its one less person supporting the meat industry.and not only that people claim they love animals you cannot be an animal lover if you eat meat I don't care what anybody else says.
Not giving your children the food that they evolved to eat is barbaric. Giving them imitation butter and soy is hazardous. Eat whole organic foods and you will be healthy. Most of these people look sick.
when i stopped eating meat (I'm 12) I felt A LOT better. I wanted to go vegan, but its almost impossible for my age, and my parents wouldn't let me. But I swore when I am old enough to get a job I am buying everything, or will try to, vegan.
I always felt tired during the day, but now I feel I have much more energy. :D
@Ilovevulpix17 Yaaay! I'm seriously considering going vegan, im 16 & my parents will actually support me! Don't worry one day you'll be old enough! :)
@Ilovevulpix17 I hope you can go vegan someday. The best thing you can do is to do your research and talk to your parents and a nutritionist to assure them that if were vegan you could eat healthy. It is also good to talk to a nutritionist if you are veg or vegan of any age. They may want to look over what you eat or have you take a multivitamin. It is possible to be healthy and vegan at your age and some doctors have recommended NOT feeding dairy to children because of health risks.
Poor you indeed, though eating Raw is better for you than the Vegan diet, " The American Diet intake consists of 90% dairy products, oil,sugar & flour".
I'd just like point out that because of this diet, the majority of the population suffers from one of the most deadly and destructive health issues, Candida Yeast overgrowth and mutation, resulting in Acne and a weakened immune system.
Fruit doesnt reverse disease. It might help to prevent it, but it doesnt reverse it once you get the disease. Frugivore is a non-scientific term. Humans are Omnivores, who are designed to digest both meat, and plants. All this bullshit about meat is a joke. How many people here eat meat and are perfectly healthy? My doctor said I perfectly fine, I eat meat
@samsunit144 There are many people who drink alcohol and smoke tobacco without any health problems. Do you mean that alcohol and tobacco are healthy? Trying crystal meth doesn't make sure you will become a drug addict. Can we make a conclusion that crystal meth isn't addictive?
Go visit a museum with a decent anthropology collection. Look at early human tools dating between 1million and 20,000 y/o- you'll see hunting and meat processing tools. Why would a frugivore need those? There are usually grind stones too- for processing nuts and grain. Are you basing your frugivore claims on a time before then? How far back do you go to find this frugivore ancestor? Are they even the same species as us? Go far enough back and our ancestor ate insects- you advocate that too?
Recent tool use did not cause a digestive system overhaul. Supplementing a diet w/meat (a new food class) does not reverse the frugivorous digestive system, optimized for fruit as meat requires opposing digestive processes. u don't need a museum to imagine what meat mutations occurred, just do a pubmed search for diseases associated w/meat. Humans still haven't adapted to it so it causes disease. Fruit is natural and reverses diseases naturally.
Its called a Omnivorous digestive system, frugivore is a non-scientific term. diseases associated with meat??? Those disease are from a number of different things, a unhealthy lifestlye, smoking, drinking, drugs, high sugar, and sodium, lack of exercise, obesity. There is NO disease soley from meat. So keep preaching the lies.
"Fruit is natural and reverses diseases naturally." What a load of new-age drivel. Fruit is packed with short chain sugars and is generally high in acids. A reasonable amount in the diet is great, but a total fruit diet leads to malnutrition.
Evolutionary adaption happens far faster than you think- adaptions to digest ruminant milk and alcohol have spread through north european populations in just 10k years. Read first few chapters of Dawkins 'The Ancestor's Tale' for an intro to this.
Fruit is alkalizing, restoring bone growth while meat acidifies as high protein foods do. Humans find it difficult to digest excess protein. The amount of protein in breast milk is merely 1%. Unless u believe the human genome is inherently defective this is all the proportion of protein needed. Excess protein leads to virtually any degenerative disease. Just pick your favorite disease style and look it up on a scientific database to see what diet correlates with it. Fruit reverses such diseases.
Stats on obese/inactive people who live on fast food do not apply to everyone with an omnivorous diet.
You have avoided the pregnancy issue- surely a diet which is 'natural' for humans would be the best for a pregnant woman? Why then does frugivory lead to underweight anemic babies but omnivory doesn't?
Lets talk about B vitamins. Is it possible for a fuitarian/vegan to get enough of them without resorting to expensive artificial supplements or heavily processed foods? I don't see how.
I don't remember you bringing it up. I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just categorically stultifying u on each topic.. You can still get pregnant eating fruit and give birth too! Like all the hominoidea for the past tens of millions of yrs. Which nutrient do you not "see how" any hominoidea can obtain in ecological niche? There are NO nutrient deficiencies among clans of wild chimps but there sure are among culturable humans trying to eat meat...
chrisis- "NO nutrient deficiencies among clans of wild chimps"- what are you basing that huge claim on? Have you read that stuff on chimp omnivory yet?
"You can still get pregnant eating fruit and give birth too!"- You can get pregnant and give birth on a diet of big macs, heroin and vodka (trust me- it happens), I don't think that means its a good thing. I have close friends who are midwives- they caution strongly AGAINST vegan diet in preganancy due to evidence of malnutrition.
Wild chimp populations do not have nutrient deficiencies but captive chimps out of ecological niche do, in spite of humans trying to 'balance' their diets.
In rich, organic soil in tropical areas of ripe fruit, all hominoidea evolved for tens of millions of years before kindling fire and tool manufacturing. These relatively recent technological advances did allow humans to cook and process other things to consume but with health risks. Fruit still cures meat diseases.
The hunting-killing-meat loving chimps of Gombe indeed don't have any vitamin deficiencies.
I have yet to find any anthropologists who can agree on the habitat of early humans- everything from forest to shorelines and savanna is possible so yet again you are drifting into science fiction by claiming sure knowledge on that.
I'm getting a bit bored of your homespun science. Enjoy your 'veganism will save the world' delusion. And good luck with whatever fad you switch to afterwards.
"chimps of Gombe" get sick from meat too and are the most aggressive, competing w/gorillas in depleted habitat. Yet they consume little meat and most don't even hunt, the meat is used as a political tool for courting rituals and establishing allies, just as papaya (a non-native fruit) is in other clans. Regardless, there are chimps that do not consume meat and they don't have nutrient deficiencies. Meat is NOT a nutritional imperative for any hominoidea.
Truly you do have a gift for fiction. Couple of reality checks for you Chrisism:
Chimps are not Homonids.
All foods can have political meaning, but they are still foods.
There are stone butchering tools dated to well over 1 million years ago: human omnivory has a long pedigree.
All wild 'vegan/fruitarian' animals ingest significant amounts of invertebrate material which contribute vital elements to their nutrition- B vits, etc. There are NO true vegans or fruitarians in nature!
I never said chimps are 'homonids'. There is no such thing as a 'homonid' and I never used that made-up word. Please quote me or provide some useful info or leave! u are just making noise.
'All foods can have political meaning'
True but irrelevant.
'There are stone butchering tools'
And there are statin drugs to treat heart disease. Real food doesn't require such tools.
'over 1 million years ago'
Yet humans STILL can't digest meat without disease risk.
I have studied midwifery and any educated midwife who actually reads the evidence will debunk your claims. A woman actually has a lower risk of complications on a vegan diet. Of course if you only eat a diet of chips and pop (which you can as a vegan) then you can have malnourished baby but that is not specific to vegans. Not only is it is easy to get adequate nutrients as a vegan but you avoid a lot of the crap non vegans eat that greatly contribute to poor health & obesity.
OK midwife jessicavonvegan, where are your legendary scientific studies which show "A woman actually has a lower risk of complications on a vegan diet"? I want references not more vague unsourced claims. Should have them at your fingertips with with your learning and expertise surely?
*UPDATE: Position of the American Dietetic Association: It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
Insufficient folate intake is the most common cause of birth defects like spina bifida and anencephaly. Women hoping to become pregnant are often advised to take supplements to prevent such problems. Folic acid is also thought to help prevent cardiovascular disease and is increasingly recommended to people at risk of the disease. Nutra 11-Aug-2004
Or pregnant humans can consume more leafy greens, oranges and other high folate fruits to reduce disease risks..
"they will be grateful to you for correcting them after all these years"
False. Why would devoted religious members be grateful to hear they are not following H. sapiens genetic instructions? All they would need to do is do a random search on a scientific database by typing in their favorite disease style and meat, then contrast those results with fruit and their favorite disease style. See which one is inversely related and which isn't.
"Your liver makes all of the cholesterol your body needs to form cell membranes and to make certain hormones. Extra cholesterol enters your body when you eat foods that come from animals" -Texas Heart Institute
"Helicobacter pylori infection as measured by serum IgG as well as the consumption of red meat and dairy products increases the risk of gastric cancer. Int J Cancer. 2009 Apr 13. etc.
Just pick your favorite disease styles. It's all written.
A frugivore is a fruit eater. It can be any type of of herbivore, omnivore or carnivore where fruit is a preferred food type. Frugivory is a very common diet choice. For example, 20% of herbivorous mammals could be sub-classed as frugivore/herbivore if such a classification existed in science.
Completely false. Animals fall into THREE main catagories: Carnivore, Herbivore, Omnivore. Omnivore is one of the three MAIN catagories that animals fall into, when concerning eating habbits. "Frugivore" is a NON-scientific term, and if it is used it is a SUB-catagory, it is not one of the THREE, MAIN catagories.
Frugivore is a non-scientific term. It is made up. Omnviore is a real term, and we boviously show qualities of a Omnviore, or else we wouldnt be catagorized as a Omnivore. This guy is a idiot, and has no real statements, only bullshit to support a bullshit claim that meat is bad for you. Humans = Omnivore and Omnivores are DESIGNED to digest BOTH meat, and plants. Don't compare a Omnviore to a Carnivore, its stupid. You have OPINION, we have FACT meat is healthy, and natural for us to eat
Shouldn't it be "killing your children through malnutrition"? See Woyah Andressohn, Lorie Atikian, Eric and Laurie Cottam, Areni Manuelyan, Caleb Moorhead, Crown Shakur and others.
Meat is the biggest killer of all time. Humans are natural frugivores digesting fruit best with opposing digestive processes to meat consumption and fruit reverses meat diseases. Animal fat consumption is NOT a nutritional imperative for humans and is a known compromise to high quality plant foods. There are malnourished vegans and omnivarians but this needn't be the case with varied plant diets even among meat-dominated markets.
Why can't people stop fighting over it and comment on the video it's self. I think we should all just agree we be a lot better off if we ate more fruits and veg. Also, because science can only disprove, quoting all these journals doesn't mean much. I'm sure what ever scientist say now, they will have changed their views dramatically in twenty years.
I know so many people who have vegan children and are doing great. Its the only way to ensure your children will be safe from nasty health problems....
I am a vegetarian and I have to say that I admire people who go completely vegan and manage to have a nutritious diet. However, as I suffer from celiac disease, I feel that becoming a vegan would limit my diet even more, going by what I've heard from celiacs that were allergic to lactose or eggs, being pretty much forced to eat vegan as well. I'd be curious to know whether feeding kids soy from an early age increases their likelihood of them developing an allergy against soy.
I am vegan and I am not a big fan of soy. Its not like vegans go around chugging soy milk all the time. I use hemp milk in my coffee and cereal because I want the government to see there is a market for hemp (which is natures most balanced and absorbable source of omega 3 and 6 in the right ratio for humans) so they legalize it.
For every human I run over with my car, dozens of other humans die of illness, disease and accidents caused by responsible driving."
I guess if you can use that logic to justify the direct intentional murder of non-humans for your pleasure, you can use it to justify the direct intentional running over of humans with a car.
We can't stop human deaths....might as well join in and deliberately kill them huh?
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I guess will see these children one day on the news shooting their parents after eating their first steak at age 21 at a bar. They will head home with a grudge.
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Vegan kids! Ha ha- are they bald with no teeth by age 12?
I guess its the same as bringing your kids up in radical islam or any other cult- you failed to convert the adult world but you will damn well force SOMEONE to live your way!
Poor little buggers- their teen rebel dream will be to run a MacDonalds or work in a slaughterhouse...
Yes how dare parents PARENT their children and raise them to have morals. Kids should just be allowed to eat whatever they want, play in traffic, talk to strangers, torture the neighbour's cat, try drugs, bully other children, etc. Parents aren't supposed to RAISE their kids, their supposed to just watch them run around freely harming whoever they want!
Perhaps you should offer yourself up to some omni parents because most of them aren't feeding their children human flesh.....children need "all foods" after all.
Yeah and all those people not giving their kids tobacco or teaching their kids how to burn cats are abusing their children too huh?>
How is it child abuse to teach a child to treat others like you would want to be treated? To teach a child that it's wrong to exploit, hurt and kill others? To feed a child a healthy nutritious diet?
Im against environmental destruction, and plant cruelty.
The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no. 3 found this without including all the pesticides and chemicals and stimulants pumped into all the mass produced plants you eat.
Salmonella found from meat Vegspinz??!!?? Last i checked, It was those peanuts you eat at snack time. maybe if you ate alittle beef and had some protein in your body, your brain would function right and help your ears listen to the news.
you're ignorant. I think a Jewish parent circumcizing their baby or a Christian parent baptizing children is much more irresponsible and selfish. Diets can easily be changed if the child wishes to themselves as they are older, parents choosing religion or faith for you is far greater incorrect.
It shows that you know absolutely nothing about nutrition. I'll admit that a lot of vegans don't know anything about it either so it might be dangerous, but it can be done easily.
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You are completely right osprey, at this time in the kids lives they are growing. its not right to fuck up their ability to properly grow so that you vegans can make a statement about animal cruelty.
And if you are truly trying to protect animals than why are you still driving a car and living in a house? Currently a huge threat to animals is habitat loss from human development, so you should be living in a tree or cave somewhere to reduce the impact.
P.N.Singh, J. Sabate, G. Fraser, "Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?" American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol.78(3), pp. 526S-532S
From conclusions section:
"The findings from one
cohort of healthy adults raises the possibility that long-term (≥ 2
decades) adherence to a vegetarian diet can further produce a
significant 3.6-y increase in life expectancy."
Vegetarians live longer than omnivores (the control group!) Go Veg!
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
VegSpinz - You say "lets be honest" right after saying something inaccurate again.
"health problem in this country has to do with over consumpt of meat" Most of the health problems in this country have to do with overconsumption. Period. Too many calories is too many calories.
It is EASIER to overconsume when one eats meat because meat is relatively high in calories.
"A lot of the salmonella poisoning from what I heard" hearsay. Where is your science?
"In that respect, there is an argument for meat & cancer." - Sorry, not according to Harvard's cohort study of 500,000 (yes 500,000) patients over the last 30 years.
The link is between overconsumption and cancer (of any caloric source). NOT meat and cancer.
Longevity & health has more to do with calorie restriction then particular source of calories.
That may be- but the health problem in this country has to do with over consumpt of meat- let's be honest! Not too many morbidly obese vegans out there! A lot of the salmonella poisoning from what I heard was due to contamination from nearby livestock production... tell me that I'm wrong? I'm interested in being HONEST ;)
"Humans are natural frugivores" or "any meat is too much" or "humans are natural vegetarians" are not intellectually honest statements nor correct. Lies would be a succinct evaluation.
Humans are opportunistic feeders and we benefit from a varied diet including meat.
If "best diet" is judged by longevity, then a primarily vegetarian diet with a small amount of meat is best:
The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3
srobinsn2003 - "Even if I weren't a nuclear physicist " You aren't as you have already amply demonstrated. You can't even answer a basic question in your claimed area of expertise. ROFLOL.
What you have demonstrated is you are a liar.
Tell me how does QCD describe atomic nuclei?
How is strong nuclear interaction related to parity & charge conjugation?
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
Even if I weren't a nuclear physicist (there is no point in going on about crap that's freely available on wikipedia, the likely way you know 'dem big words,) I'd still be RIGHT. you're still claiming something the study DOESN"T SAY. Now, since you're obviosly not a scientist of some kind, and you don't seem to have a background in logic, my bet is that you're just an uppity kid. That said, people, please google the mentioned article, and have a laugh at ccr. I'm out, publication calls.
srobinsn2003 - The paper is referred to in the journal in the journal. The entire text is available through pubmed among others.
"A red herring's a red herring." And a liar is a liar. Come on bitch, you claim to be a "nuclear physicist" Surely you can answer some basic questions.
Really? Tell me how does QCD describe atomic nuclei?
How is strong nuclear interaction related to parity & charge conjugation?
possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat intake is associated with greater longevity."
So what is wrong about what I said? Please indicate it. Because the results of that study are rather clear. The longest life spans are to be found with a PRIMARILY vegetarian diet with LOW meat consumption.
*smacks forehead* dumbass, you're even wrong about how papers are PUBLISHED. Americvan journal of clinican nutrition 2003, Vol.78, no.3 is still a VOLUME, not a PAPER.
Okay, you're done. This is now a waste of my time, you've embarassed yourself enough.
Wonder why ccr5cxc4 is so angry? Is that a result of eating too much meat? :P Umm... all I know is that there are plenty of articles and writings about meat related diseases, and virtually no articles linking to a plant based diet. Sorry- but the evidence is against you, but continue to make your own choice- I support that.
No agenda- just my own truth and sharing it. If you don't agree, than so be it. I don't go on meat lover's videos and yell at them, and it's not b/c I'm a coward. Believe me, going vegan wasn't the easy path. It took a lot of soul searching and sifting through literature that was written by money-driven associations-i.e pharm co's, meat industry. I'm not gaining any profit by proclaiming my veganism- just the joy of sharing what has helped me and my family and what I believe could help others.
VegSpinz - And I respect that totally. There are plenty of people who lie about the issues though saying things like "humans are natural fugivores", "meat causes cancer"
etc.
Like I say it is about intellectual honesty. If you honestly believe vegan is the best way to go, start by being honest about it.
Personally I am 90-95% vegetarian because that is what is best for my health.
I think in our country (US), meat IS to be feared, due to the lack of food regulations. There are foreign chemicals (ie steroids, etc.) injected into our meat and dairy to increase production & profit, and to satisfy demand. But my suspicion is that it's causing harm- that probably didn't exist back in the day when meat was totally natural. The increase in disease here is prob due to a combination of both over-consumption and food quality. In that respect, there is an argument for meat & cancer.
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
That 3.6 years? Yeah, that's the ADDITIONAL 3.6 years a vegetarian lives if they hold to it for several decades, above and beyond the additional time they live just for initially "going" vegetarian.
Shame on you for trying to abuse science. From all of us actual scientists (in my case, the discipline is nuclear physics), rest assured that we do check these things, and the truth will out.
"support a plant-based diet that can reverse diseases like diabetes, heart disease and cancer" - Bullshit. The PCRM claims no such thing AND, where are your peer reviewed science showing ANY such thing.
Reverse cancer? Bullshit. Reverse diabetes? Bullshit. Losing weight helps with type 2, and a vegetarian diet does absolutely nothing to "reverse" type 1. Or are you claiming that vegetarian diet miraculously regenerates pancreatic islet cells?
I think it's pretty rare to find someone who doesn't do well on a vegan diet. And, I would rather take a B-12 supplement than contribute to the torture of 10 million animals a year, which is what's currently happening in the US.
Well, If you define normal as dying early of diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc., wasting insane amounts of natural resources, and doing things to cows, pigs, and chickens that would get you arrested if you did them to dogs and cats, then yeah, I've lost that concept and have redefined another.
Well, I can tell you where I got my info, and maybe others can chime in. I started researching diet when my mother was diagnosed with cancer, and came across The Food Revolution by John Robbins (former heir to the Baskin & Robbins empire) who cited many scientific journals and studies. I also read The China Study, and studies from the PCRM (Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine)- all support a plant-based diet that can reverse diseases like diabetes, heart disease and cancer.
Sorry- not enough space! Although I do think a balanced omni diet is far better than the typical American diet (i.e. fast food, processed, etc.), it is not the BEST diet, and given how much steroids and chemicals are in our country's meat, dairy, and eggs (unregulated), the threat for early disease is undeniable. Other countries have even banned meat products from our's due to this fact. If you're gonna eat meat, the best is organic, but I also oppose factory farming and abuse, plus eco factor
Seriously, I eat meat too, and I grew up with life-long vegans; and they're well also. This whole "Science" is starting to sound like a morale-wrecking dogma, intended to bring indirect fear about veganism. Kinda like how people twist the Bible to their liking.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
Every person is different and even as a vegan you may require more of some foods and less of others to find a balance that is right for your body. I don't think you can generalise and say veganism makes you sick. I and my friends have been vegan for some time and don't get sick. You just need to educate yourself about nutrition. That said, of course it isn't for everyone, just like eating meat isn't.
what diet is right for you depends on ure body type, your metabolism, what illness or weaknesses you have.. and veganism is not good for ALOT of ppl
a girl i know was vegan for 5 yrs, ate all the things ure supposed to eat. she also suffered mental health issues. had psycosis, seeing and hearing things, talking to herself .. she was MENTAL.. she started eating meat 6 months ago.. shes now 90% better.
I notice every anti-vegan omni says this yet I know over 60-70 vegans and NONE of them get sick more than the average person (in fact most of them get sick less)
Pushing fruit up your ass is also free of long term health effects according to my friend who is a sexual health nurse (its commoner than you'd think apparently). Does that make it a good thing to make your kids do while you have power over them? Like I said- you vegans have failed to indoctrinate the adult world: this video makes it look like you've decided to just breed your own converts instead.
I teach meditation and yoga.. most the ppl i know are vegan. For a few it works.. for others (most) it is not so good. All i know is when i have patients come to me who are vegan and suffer from various health conditions when meat is introduced into the diet in most case they will improve significantly. Even buddhist teachers recommend vegans with health issues eat meat
It is not a diet most ppl do well on.. Its ok for 3 months for a detox but in the long term the diet fails.
It's nothing to do with veganism itself and everything to do with poor choices. If someone is eating a wide variety of whole foods and ensuring they are getting all their essential nutrients there should be NO problems.
If someone decides to go vegan by eating fries, pizza, and soda all day, the health problems that result are a fault of their own, not the vegan lifestyle.
ALL essential nutrients can EASILY be obtained in a vegan diet.
stopspe- justcornelius wrote in with their real-life experience of veganism and you just slap it down because it doesn't fit your ideology. That is so weak.
You response also highlights another reason why veganism is such a crock of bull- to do it without getting sick means obsessing over your diet in the most anal detail. Its a totally artificial hobby diet.
And the idea that it saves animal lives is rubbish- ever heard of agricultural pest control? You pay for that when you buy any veg...
Humans are by nature frugivores digesting fruit best. If u are enculturated to consume animal products that is your political right but don't call it healthy or natural. The contents of animal fat ie heme Fe, uric acid, concentrated pro, chol, etc make such animal-centric diets inherently unhealthy for H. sapiens. Please get the heck out of the way and let health-conscious vegans exchange useful info on plant-based diets. Take your anti-vegan crap to some meat minion cult pep-rally.
chrisis- "Humans are by nature frugivores digesting fruit best"- thats the funniest thing I've heard in ages! If its true: why are there no frugivorous cultures anywhere in the world? And why is our dentistry, digestive enzymes and intestine so clearly omnivore in form? (ask any zoologist).
Irrelevant but the answer is within your omniconfused question. 'Culture' is NOT evolution. Humans (frugivores) also dive, this doesn't mean they adapted to it, they use tools & caution lest they get bends surfacing, etc, unlike animals w/genetic programs to dive.
Enculturated ppl cook but haven't evolved to digest cooked food. There are also no 'cultures' that exercise optimally.
'omnivore' is a euphemism for 'scavenger' not scientific classification.
ech1dna-"why is our dentistry, digestive enzymes and intestine so clearely omnivore" There is no 'omnivore' (scavenger) quality in any of the human features.
"ask any zoologist"
"Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of other animals shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." - Carl Linneaus, father of modern taxonomic nomenclature.
'omnivore' is a blanket/unscientific term. Please get with the program, it isn't a popularity contest or vote..
chrisis- "get with the program"? Did you write that with a straight face?
You have some cheek calling anything unscientific considering the new age fluff you vegans believe. 'Omnivore' has a scientific definition- an organism which eats both plant and animal tissues. Check it in a science dictionary if you don't believe me. While you are at it, look up 'necrophage'. That means scavenger.
Linneaus was a great man but he also believed black africans were a primitive subspecies of human.
No animal digests plants and meat the same. They are NOT digested equally. Humans digest fruits BETTER than meat with opposing digestive processes. ANY animal can consume meat if they have to ie cows, rabbits, humans, horses, chimps, etc. That doesn't mean they are optimized for meat. ALL hominoidea digest fruit best and meat makes ALL hominoidea sick. u may consume meat if u want, that's your right, just don't call it healthy or natural.
Like most evangelical vegans you seem to just invent facts to suit. You have demonstrated here your poor grasp of biology and your willingness to fill the gaping holes in your knowledge with wishful thinking.
I honestly don't care what you do to your body but to inflict deliberate malnourishment on children is a shitty thing to do.
The topic is dietary classification, please leave your anti-vegan religious, parataxic distortions (what's that!?) OUT of this.
Humans are specialized frugivores digesting fruit best. Fruit is NOT digested equally to meat. Meat causes diseases, it is not a natural food for humans. Fruit prevents diseases, it is a natural food for humans. "Omnivore" is a vague, blanket term that does not represent the complex digestive system of H. sapiens, optimized for fruit.
statements. "'omnivore' is a blanket/unscientific term" LOL dude common and try to be a little more creative, you try to appear so smart, and full of knowledge, when in reality you have no idea what your saying. DONT say Omnivore is a non-scientfic term, that is a complete fallacy. And DONT use the word FRUGIVORE it is in fact a NON-scientific term, and if it must be used is is a SUB-class, not a MAIN learn your shit.
-Our intestinal tract is longer than a carnivore's but shorter than that of pure herbivores of the same weight.
-Our dentition is unlike either a carnivore or herbivore but very similar to that of pigs and other herbivores
-We can digest everything: animal, vegetable, fruit, grain. Try feeding a sheep on fruit and meat, or a cat grain and veg- see how they suffer, but humans can thrive on any combination of these because we are omnivores!
"intestinal tract is longer than a carnivore's" so humans don't digest meat properly & it causes disease.
"shorter than that of pure herbivores" False. H. sapien's small intestine is 10.5xs the body length. Herbivores avg intestinal length >10xs the body length. Humans are frugivores (specialized herbivores, digesting fruit best as hindgut fermenters with >2xs the bacteria in the stomach as cells in the body).
"similar to that of pigs"
Human dentition resembles orangutans (frugivores) more.
Chrisis- OK, I find it odd that despite years of scientific education I have not encountered any research claiming humans are frugivorous. Clearly a crypto-carnivore conspiracy eh?
Why are no human populations with such a diet?
Why are fruitarians so malnourished?
Why does a fruitarian diet in pregnancy retard babies?
Incidentally- wild chimps have a carnivorous streak, hunting animals regularly and valueing the meat highly. Its does NOT make them sick. google 'gombe chimp hunt'
"despite years of scientific education I have not encountered any research claiming humans are frugivores."
It is not so hard to understand. In religious cultures evolution is not pushed. The USDA has a vested interest in seeing the grains/meat/dairy industry succeed.
"fruitarian"
is another of your religions. Humans are frugivores, digesting fruit best. Do a search on a scientific database, pick your favorite disease style, research it with varying food classes to see what matches.
Of course science has not uncovered every little thing. But one thing we have uncovered is that humans are naturally omnivores.
If you were to eat a purely vegan diet without artificial supplementation of B-12, without eating contaminated food (feces, insect larvae), then you would begin to suffer the effects of B-12 deficiency in about 3 years (on average), and die of pernicious anemia briefly thereafter.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
It's a myth that vegetarians and vegans can't get b12 from their diet. Cows, for example, get the bacteria off the dirt in the grass. Scientists have also recently found that fish get b12 from a certain type of algea in the ocean. Years ago, when people grew their own veggies, you could get vitamin b12 off excess dirt residue. These days, vegetables are cleaned very well, so the dirt goes away. unless you grow your own vegetables, or you can get your hands on this algea, you need a supplment.
yaacTV - He never said vegetarians & vegans cannot get b-12 from their diets. His statement, rather precise was that humans are not "natural vegetarians" and he is correct. Historically, archeologically, biochemically, anatomically humans are omnivores.
And you are repeating much of what human said before.
yaacTV - For your own health you might want to do some research about the algal B-12. There are some serious questions about the bioavailability of that cobalamin.
"Pseudovitamin B12 (an inactive corrinoid) predominated in the spirulina tablets, which are not suitable for use as a vitamin B12 source, especially for vegetarians."
Characterization and bioavailability of vitamin B12-compounds from edible algae - J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2002 Oct;48(5):325-31
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
rafferoico - Then here is the logic. We will see if it will penetrate your skull this time.
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
It is EVIL to eat poor imobile defenseless PLANTS! They cannot flee and have no voice! All those poor plants being force grown, force bred, and yanked from mother earth even as they reach maturity!
The meat eater is the defender of the plant! Speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves! Defending the weak from the... mobile!
Oh it is still funny! Don't tell me "sense of humor" is an essential nutrient found only in meat!
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
Where animals find B12?????? Wich animals??? Why not dogs, cats, RATS??? Consult Mr Kellogg's memories please... My daughter eat all B group vitamines including B12 source. Never seen a doctor until now (17months). Her mother is veg as well. (Not internal med but daily experience!).
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
Please, tell me how long I have still wait my ANEMIA (ahahaha!!!) and death (that's sure for everybody)... I'm veg since 1992, now I'm 41... Call it magical or fantasy (oh yeah I got superpowers! ahahaha!!!) I've spoken about B12 "SOURCE". Ending: 1 cow eat 12 people food: if every human MUST eat meat it mean a world with very few people and much sick cows (take a look out there). Save you and your health: forget your necrophagy
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
Whether or not B12 I'll try to avoid sufference as much as I can. To point on B12 in order to justify the daily, shameful sad holocaust bring to hypocrisy (sorry for english) or to immorality. At least B12 can found in a less natural way in pharmacy.
wow people like "conotoxin" make my blood boil until i get a headache. now i will avoid ytube comments for weeks because of your nescient view of veganism. if you hate vegans so much why are you typing these comments, why are you watching these great videos just to upset yourself like i am right now. whats the point of this?instead of mocking vegans why dont you get a life and do something instead of harrasing people in cyber space to "get off" by it somehow...trouble finding someone? jerk
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
Are you sure about that? Ruminants have microorganisms in their rumen that use B12 but I do not believe this is the same thing as absorbing B12. Plant eating animals still must get B12 from their food, which would contain B12 producing bacteria even with though they are eating plants. The "problem" with getting B12 from a vegan diet today is largely because we wash and sanitize everything, including those bacteria that produce B12. Anyway, B12 deficiency is still very rare, and easily treatable.
"Ruminants have microorganisms in their rumen that use B12" - They synthesize it. Not use it.
We have similar bacteria in our own colons, but no means to absorb significant amounts of it. It is one of the physiological differences between omnivore species and vegetarian.
"Plant eating animals still must get B12 from their food" Not significant amounts. They get most from their own bacteria, and some from fecal contamination & insects unintentionally consumed.
"we wash and sanitize everything" You are correct in that. It is ironic that our extraordinary advances in food safety have in some ways reduced the nutritional value of some foods.
Not only do we eliminate much of the bacteria, but insect & fecal contamination, which are both sources of B12.
"B12 deficiency is still very rare" Rare, but not that rare. See a couple dozen cases a year.
All things considered, I can not buy into the idea that B12 being lacking in washed fruits and vegetables as a basis for humans not being natural plant eaters. A whole isle of digestive aids being sold at the drug store says a lot more to tip the scales in the vegans favor that humans are currently eating the WRONG diet. B12 is really the only knock against a vegan diet, but honestly it is not a problem. Have you ever known someone with B12 deficiency? I haven't, and I know LOTS of vegans.
feeders. That is not really a matter for debate. The historical evidence is overwhelming.
Isotope analysis demonstrates that even historically "vegetarian" populations were not vegetarian by modern standards. They were getting significant amounts of animal protein (probably in the form of insects/insect larvae, but animal protein nonetheless). I can direct you to the relevant studies.
In today's world, one can easily be vegetarian with the supplements that are available.
However, if longevity is your goal, we are finding that calorie restriction is more important than the source of your calories. Meat can be problematic, especially in today's world of plentiful food (in the US) because it is such a concentrated punch of nutrition. It is easy to eat too much.
Currently, the best diet is 95% vegetarian, 5% meat with a calorie restriction (I can dig that one up for you too if you want it).
Let me defend this "omnivorous" guy: until he write here he give the chance of talk about a matter where there are no teachers. His words and crippling arguments give the chance to demonstrate the sense of the vegan choice...
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
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@LearnFromYesterday1 lol
DannySHL 3 months ago
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@LearnFromYesterday1 LOL you're dumb as a shoe
natalie20136 3 months ago
Your kids look like they have AIDS yeah i can tell its real healthy
Auschwitz2012 1 year ago
Great video, loved it!
blacksunshinetoday 1 year ago
Brilliant!
Ingiequeen 1 year ago
I think this video is great I mean it is teaching your children healthy choices and not only that when they get older and start buying their own groceries its one less person supporting the meat industry.and not only that people claim they love animals you cannot be an animal lover if you eat meat I don't care what anybody else says.
fuckinmars 1 year ago
Not giving your children the food that they evolved to eat is barbaric. Giving them imitation butter and soy is hazardous. Eat whole organic foods and you will be healthy. Most of these people look sick.
shelly8510 1 year ago
when i stopped eating meat (I'm 12) I felt A LOT better. I wanted to go vegan, but its almost impossible for my age, and my parents wouldn't let me. But I swore when I am old enough to get a job I am buying everything, or will try to, vegan.
I always felt tired during the day, but now I feel I have much more energy. :D
Now I can beat most of the boys at my school. >:)
Ilovevulpix17 1 year ago
@Ilovevulpix17 Yaaay! I'm seriously considering going vegan, im 16 & my parents will actually support me! Don't worry one day you'll be old enough! :)
HocusPocusLuver1993 1 year ago
@Ilovevulpix17 I hope you can go vegan someday. The best thing you can do is to do your research and talk to your parents and a nutritionist to assure them that if were vegan you could eat healthy. It is also good to talk to a nutritionist if you are veg or vegan of any age. They may want to look over what you eat or have you take a multivitamin. It is possible to be healthy and vegan at your age and some doctors have recommended NOT feeding dairy to children because of health risks.
awesomevegan 1 year ago
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fuck you hippie vegan
DontGoVeganEatMeat 1 year ago
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FUCK ALL VEGANS POOR KIDS
Zakaleeno 2 years ago
Poor you!
animallog 2 years ago 3
Poor you!
TheSuperAstro 2 years ago
Poor you indeed, though eating Raw is better for you than the Vegan diet, " The American Diet intake consists of 90% dairy products, oil,sugar & flour".
I'd just like point out that because of this diet, the majority of the population suffers from one of the most deadly and destructive health issues, Candida Yeast overgrowth and mutation, resulting in Acne and a weakened immune system.
ChamplooSundae 1 year ago
This is awesome! Go Vegan! :)
PwnBucket 2 years ago 5
Fruit doesnt reverse disease. It might help to prevent it, but it doesnt reverse it once you get the disease. Frugivore is a non-scientific term. Humans are Omnivores, who are designed to digest both meat, and plants. All this bullshit about meat is a joke. How many people here eat meat and are perfectly healthy? My doctor said I perfectly fine, I eat meat
samsunit144 2 years ago
@samsunit144 There are many people who drink alcohol and smoke tobacco without any health problems. Do you mean that alcohol and tobacco are healthy? Trying crystal meth doesn't make sure you will become a drug addict. Can we make a conclusion that crystal meth isn't addictive?
DoomedSpaceMarine123 1 year ago
Go visit a museum with a decent anthropology collection. Look at early human tools dating between 1million and 20,000 y/o- you'll see hunting and meat processing tools. Why would a frugivore need those? There are usually grind stones too- for processing nuts and grain. Are you basing your frugivore claims on a time before then? How far back do you go to find this frugivore ancestor? Are they even the same species as us? Go far enough back and our ancestor ate insects- you advocate that too?
ech1dna 2 years ago
Recent tool use did not cause a digestive system overhaul. Supplementing a diet w/meat (a new food class) does not reverse the frugivorous digestive system, optimized for fruit as meat requires opposing digestive processes. u don't need a museum to imagine what meat mutations occurred, just do a pubmed search for diseases associated w/meat. Humans still haven't adapted to it so it causes disease. Fruit is natural and reverses diseases naturally.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Its called a Omnivorous digestive system, frugivore is a non-scientific term. diseases associated with meat??? Those disease are from a number of different things, a unhealthy lifestlye, smoking, drinking, drugs, high sugar, and sodium, lack of exercise, obesity. There is NO disease soley from meat. So keep preaching the lies.
samsunit144 2 years ago
"Fruit is natural and reverses diseases naturally." What a load of new-age drivel. Fruit is packed with short chain sugars and is generally high in acids. A reasonable amount in the diet is great, but a total fruit diet leads to malnutrition.
Evolutionary adaption happens far faster than you think- adaptions to digest ruminant milk and alcohol have spread through north european populations in just 10k years. Read first few chapters of Dawkins 'The Ancestor's Tale' for an intro to this.
ech1dna 2 years ago
Fruit is alkalizing, restoring bone growth while meat acidifies as high protein foods do. Humans find it difficult to digest excess protein. The amount of protein in breast milk is merely 1%. Unless u believe the human genome is inherently defective this is all the proportion of protein needed. Excess protein leads to virtually any degenerative disease. Just pick your favorite disease style and look it up on a scientific database to see what diet correlates with it. Fruit reverses such diseases.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Stats on obese/inactive people who live on fast food do not apply to everyone with an omnivorous diet.
You have avoided the pregnancy issue- surely a diet which is 'natural' for humans would be the best for a pregnant woman? Why then does frugivory lead to underweight anemic babies but omnivory doesn't?
Lets talk about B vitamins. Is it possible for a fuitarian/vegan to get enough of them without resorting to expensive artificial supplements or heavily processed foods? I don't see how.
ech1dna 2 years ago
"You have avoided the pregnancy issue"
I don't remember you bringing it up. I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just categorically stultifying u on each topic.. You can still get pregnant eating fruit and give birth too! Like all the hominoidea for the past tens of millions of yrs. Which nutrient do you not "see how" any hominoidea can obtain in ecological niche? There are NO nutrient deficiencies among clans of wild chimps but there sure are among culturable humans trying to eat meat...
Chrisisms 2 years ago
chrisis- "NO nutrient deficiencies among clans of wild chimps"- what are you basing that huge claim on? Have you read that stuff on chimp omnivory yet?
"You can still get pregnant eating fruit and give birth too!"- You can get pregnant and give birth on a diet of big macs, heroin and vodka (trust me- it happens), I don't think that means its a good thing. I have close friends who are midwives- they caution strongly AGAINST vegan diet in preganancy due to evidence of malnutrition.
ech1dna 2 years ago
Wild chimp populations do not have nutrient deficiencies but captive chimps out of ecological niche do, in spite of humans trying to 'balance' their diets.
In rich, organic soil in tropical areas of ripe fruit, all hominoidea evolved for tens of millions of years before kindling fire and tool manufacturing. These relatively recent technological advances did allow humans to cook and process other things to consume but with health risks. Fruit still cures meat diseases.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
The hunting-killing-meat loving chimps of Gombe indeed don't have any vitamin deficiencies.
I have yet to find any anthropologists who can agree on the habitat of early humans- everything from forest to shorelines and savanna is possible so yet again you are drifting into science fiction by claiming sure knowledge on that.
I'm getting a bit bored of your homespun science. Enjoy your 'veganism will save the world' delusion. And good luck with whatever fad you switch to afterwards.
ech1dna 2 years ago
"chimps of Gombe" get sick from meat too and are the most aggressive, competing w/gorillas in depleted habitat. Yet they consume little meat and most don't even hunt, the meat is used as a political tool for courting rituals and establishing allies, just as papaya (a non-native fruit) is in other clans. Regardless, there are chimps that do not consume meat and they don't have nutrient deficiencies. Meat is NOT a nutritional imperative for any hominoidea.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Truly you do have a gift for fiction. Couple of reality checks for you Chrisism:
Chimps are not Homonids.
All foods can have political meaning, but they are still foods.
There are stone butchering tools dated to well over 1 million years ago: human omnivory has a long pedigree.
All wild 'vegan/fruitarian' animals ingest significant amounts of invertebrate material which contribute vital elements to their nutrition- B vits, etc. There are NO true vegans or fruitarians in nature!
ech1dna 1 year ago
ech1dna 'Chimps are not Homonids'
I never said chimps are 'homonids'. There is no such thing as a 'homonid' and I never used that made-up word. Please quote me or provide some useful info or leave! u are just making noise.
'All foods can have political meaning'
True but irrelevant.
'There are stone butchering tools'
And there are statin drugs to treat heart disease. Real food doesn't require such tools.
'over 1 million years ago'
Yet humans STILL can't digest meat without disease risk.
Chrisisms 1 year ago
LOL You are funny... And delusionally full of excuses.
meloearth 2 years ago
I have studied midwifery and any educated midwife who actually reads the evidence will debunk your claims. A woman actually has a lower risk of complications on a vegan diet. Of course if you only eat a diet of chips and pop (which you can as a vegan) then you can have malnourished baby but that is not specific to vegans. Not only is it is easy to get adequate nutrients as a vegan but you avoid a lot of the crap non vegans eat that greatly contribute to poor health & obesity.
jessicavonvegan 1 year ago
OK midwife jessicavonvegan, where are your legendary scientific studies which show "A woman actually has a lower risk of complications on a vegan diet"? I want references not more vague unsourced claims. Should have them at your fingertips with with your learning and expertise surely?
ech1dna 1 year ago
*UPDATE: Position of the American Dietetic Association: It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
"avoiding pregnancy issue"
Insufficient folate intake is the most common cause of birth defects like spina bifida and anencephaly. Women hoping to become pregnant are often advised to take supplements to prevent such problems. Folic acid is also thought to help prevent cardiovascular disease and is increasingly recommended to people at risk of the disease. Nutra 11-Aug-2004
Or pregnant humans can consume more leafy greens, oranges and other high folate fruits to reduce disease risks..
Chrisisms 2 years ago
I'll tell my midwife friends about your wise advise- they will be grateful to you for correcting them after all these years no doubt.
ech1dna 2 years ago
"my midwife friends"
Please leave me out of your cult.
"they will be grateful to you for correcting them after all these years"
False. Why would devoted religious members be grateful to hear they are not following H. sapiens genetic instructions? All they would need to do is do a random search on a scientific database by typing in their favorite disease style and meat, then contrast those results with fruit and their favorite disease style. See which one is inversely related and which isn't.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
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You should write this into a book- start a new genre- vegan fantasy sci-fi. Seems you have the plot all figured out.
ech1dna 2 years ago
Scientific journals already wrote it:
"Your liver makes all of the cholesterol your body needs to form cell membranes and to make certain hormones. Extra cholesterol enters your body when you eat foods that come from animals" -Texas Heart Institute
"Helicobacter pylori infection as measured by serum IgG as well as the consumption of red meat and dairy products increases the risk of gastric cancer. Int J Cancer. 2009 Apr 13. etc.
Just pick your favorite disease styles. It's all written.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
A frugivore is a fruit eater. It can be any type of of herbivore, omnivore or carnivore where fruit is a preferred food type. Frugivory is a very common diet choice. For example, 20% of herbivorous mammals could be sub-classed as frugivore/herbivore if such a classification existed in science.
samsunit144 2 years ago
""Omnivore" is a vague, blanket term" LOL
Completely false. Animals fall into THREE main catagories: Carnivore, Herbivore, Omnivore. Omnivore is one of the three MAIN catagories that animals fall into, when concerning eating habbits. "Frugivore" is a NON-scientific term, and if it is used it is a SUB-catagory, it is not one of the THREE, MAIN catagories.
samsunit144 2 years ago
Frugivore is a non-scientific term. It is made up. Omnviore is a real term, and we boviously show qualities of a Omnviore, or else we wouldnt be catagorized as a Omnivore. This guy is a idiot, and has no real statements, only bullshit to support a bullshit claim that meat is bad for you. Humans = Omnivore and Omnivores are DESIGNED to digest BOTH meat, and plants. Don't compare a Omnviore to a Carnivore, its stupid. You have OPINION, we have FACT meat is healthy, and natural for us to eat
samsunit144 2 years ago
Shouldn't it be "killing your children through malnutrition"? See Woyah Andressohn, Lorie Atikian, Eric and Laurie Cottam, Areni Manuelyan, Caleb Moorhead, Crown Shakur and others.
therush1892 2 years ago
Meat is the biggest killer of all time. Humans are natural frugivores digesting fruit best with opposing digestive processes to meat consumption and fruit reverses meat diseases. Animal fat consumption is NOT a nutritional imperative for humans and is a known compromise to high quality plant foods. There are malnourished vegans and omnivarians but this needn't be the case with varied plant diets even among meat-dominated markets.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Why can't people stop fighting over it and comment on the video it's self. I think we should all just agree we be a lot better off if we ate more fruits and veg. Also, because science can only disprove, quoting all these journals doesn't mean much. I'm sure what ever scientist say now, they will have changed their views dramatically in twenty years.
VampireKitties 2 years ago
I know so many people who have vegan children and are doing great. Its the only way to ensure your children will be safe from nasty health problems....
LovingAnimals4Evaz 2 years ago 3
I am a vegetarian and I have to say that I admire people who go completely vegan and manage to have a nutritious diet. However, as I suffer from celiac disease, I feel that becoming a vegan would limit my diet even more, going by what I've heard from celiacs that were allergic to lactose or eggs, being pretty much forced to eat vegan as well. I'd be curious to know whether feeding kids soy from an early age increases their likelihood of them developing an allergy against soy.
1029blue 2 years ago
I am vegan and I am not a big fan of soy. Its not like vegans go around chugging soy milk all the time. I use hemp milk in my coffee and cereal because I want the government to see there is a market for hemp (which is natures most balanced and absorbable source of omega 3 and 6 in the right ratio for humans) so they legalize it.
allawayjared 2 years ago
"Human rights is an illusion.
For every human I run over with my car, dozens of other humans die of illness, disease and accidents caused by responsible driving."
I guess if you can use that logic to justify the direct intentional murder of non-humans for your pleasure, you can use it to justify the direct intentional running over of humans with a car.
We can't stop human deaths....might as well join in and deliberately kill them huh?
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago
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yunakelis 2 years ago
I guess will see these children one day on the news shooting their parents after eating their first steak at age 21 at a bar. They will head home with a grudge.
roboptions 2 years ago
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Vegan kids! Ha ha- are they bald with no teeth by age 12?
I guess its the same as bringing your kids up in radical islam or any other cult- you failed to convert the adult world but you will damn well force SOMEONE to live your way!
Poor little buggers- their teen rebel dream will be to run a MacDonalds or work in a slaughterhouse...
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Yes how dare parents PARENT their children and raise them to have morals. Kids should just be allowed to eat whatever they want, play in traffic, talk to strangers, torture the neighbour's cat, try drugs, bully other children, etc. Parents aren't supposed to RAISE their kids, their supposed to just watch them run around freely harming whoever they want!
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago
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Crazy people should leave kids alone.
Children need all foods.
ndrca 2 years ago
ALL foods??? I don't even think that's possible.
Perhaps you should offer yourself up to some omni parents because most of them aren't feeding their children human flesh.....children need "all foods" after all.
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago
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If there was danger of children starving to death I wouldn't mind serving you with over BBQ with some vegetables.
Your neck and lower back could feed the kids.
Again they would survive and you would die.
ndrca 2 years ago
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Poor, poor children. I consider this child abuse!
chefmarcgirard 2 years ago
CHILD ABUSE??? Are you kidding me?
Yeah and all those people not giving their kids tobacco or teaching their kids how to burn cats are abusing their children too huh?>
How is it child abuse to teach a child to treat others like you would want to be treated? To teach a child that it's wrong to exploit, hurt and kill others? To feed a child a healthy nutritious diet?
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago
Im against environmental destruction, and plant cruelty.
The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no. 3 found this without including all the pesticides and chemicals and stimulants pumped into all the mass produced plants you eat.
Salmonella found from meat Vegspinz??!!?? Last i checked, It was those peanuts you eat at snack time. maybe if you ate alittle beef and had some protein in your body, your brain would function right and help your ears listen to the news.
Civic8yourSRT4 2 years ago
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wow thats extremely irresponsible to force a vegan diet on growing children.
Those kids will grow up all weak and spindly.
This is really bad
BitingOsprey 2 years ago
you're ignorant. I think a Jewish parent circumcizing their baby or a Christian parent baptizing children is much more irresponsible and selfish. Diets can easily be changed if the child wishes to themselves as they are older, parents choosing religion or faith for you is far greater incorrect.
studywar 2 years ago 3
It shows that you know absolutely nothing about nutrition. I'll admit that a lot of vegans don't know anything about it either so it might be dangerous, but it can be done easily.
tranquil87 2 years ago
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You are completely right osprey, at this time in the kids lives they are growing. its not right to fuck up their ability to properly grow so that you vegans can make a statement about animal cruelty.
And if you are truly trying to protect animals than why are you still driving a car and living in a house? Currently a huge threat to animals is habitat loss from human development, so you should be living in a tree or cave somewhere to reduce the impact.
madmovie6 2 years ago
Honestly, Could You Explain To Me How Rasing Your Kid Vegan Is Going To "Fuck Up Their Ability To Properly Grow"
They're TEACHING them. Just Because You're Afraid To See A Cow Everytime You Look At Your Plate Dosn't Mean The Rest Of The World Is.
Catybriek 2 years ago
Interesting.
They state they are not forcing anything.
Others "force" meat-eating on their children correct.
Vegan children are very healthy,
XSeekerXofXTruthX 2 years ago 18
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P.N.Singh, J. Sabate, G. Fraser, "Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?" American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol.78(3), pp. 526S-532S
From conclusions section:
"The findings from one
cohort of healthy adults raises the possibility that long-term (≥ 2
decades) adherence to a vegetarian diet can further produce a
significant 3.6-y increase in life expectancy."
Vegetarians live longer than omnivores (the control group!) Go Veg!
bacchusdio 2 years ago
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
VegSpinz - You say "lets be honest" right after saying something inaccurate again.
"health problem in this country has to do with over consumpt of meat" Most of the health problems in this country have to do with overconsumption. Period. Too many calories is too many calories.
It is EASIER to overconsume when one eats meat because meat is relatively high in calories.
"A lot of the salmonella poisoning from what I heard" hearsay. Where is your science?
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
"In that respect, there is an argument for meat & cancer." - Sorry, not according to Harvard's cohort study of 500,000 (yes 500,000) patients over the last 30 years.
The link is between overconsumption and cancer (of any caloric source). NOT meat and cancer.
Longevity & health has more to do with calorie restriction then particular source of calories.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
That may be- but the health problem in this country has to do with over consumpt of meat- let's be honest! Not too many morbidly obese vegans out there! A lot of the salmonella poisoning from what I heard was due to contamination from nearby livestock production... tell me that I'm wrong? I'm interested in being HONEST ;)
VegSpinz 2 years ago 3
"All this fuss" is over intellectual honesty.
"Humans are natural frugivores" or "any meat is too much" or "humans are natural vegetarians" are not intellectually honest statements nor correct. Lies would be a succinct evaluation.
Humans are opportunistic feeders and we benefit from a varied diet including meat.
If "best diet" is judged by longevity, then a primarily vegetarian diet with a small amount of meat is best:
The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
srobinsn2003 - "Even if I weren't a nuclear physicist " You aren't as you have already amply demonstrated. You can't even answer a basic question in your claimed area of expertise. ROFLOL.
What you have demonstrated is you are a liar.
Tell me how does QCD describe atomic nuclei?
How is strong nuclear interaction related to parity & charge conjugation?
How do you account for neutrino mass?
What does QCD stand for anyway?
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
Even if I weren't a nuclear physicist (there is no point in going on about crap that's freely available on wikipedia, the likely way you know 'dem big words,) I'd still be RIGHT. you're still claiming something the study DOESN"T SAY. Now, since you're obviosly not a scientist of some kind, and you don't seem to have a background in logic, my bet is that you're just an uppity kid. That said, people, please google the mentioned article, and have a laugh at ccr. I'm out, publication calls.
srobinsn2003 2 years ago
srobinsn2003 - The paper is referred to in the journal in the journal. The entire text is available through pubmed among others.
"A red herring's a red herring." And a liar is a liar. Come on bitch, you claim to be a "nuclear physicist" Surely you can answer some basic questions.
Really? Tell me how does QCD describe atomic nuclei?
How is strong nuclear interaction related to parity & charge conjugation?
How do you account for neutrino mass?
What does QCD stand for anyway?
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
srobinsn2003 - Nuclear physics? Really? Tell me how does QCD describe atomic nuclei?
How is strong nuclear interaction related to parity & charge conjugation?
How do you account for neutrino mass?
Surely since you are a nuclear physicist you can explain these to us simple lay people....
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
A red herring's a red herring. Do yourself a favor and look it up.
srobinsn2003 2 years ago
srobinsn2003 - "Current data ...raise the
possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat intake is associated with greater longevity."
So what is wrong about what I said? Please indicate it. Because the results of that study are rather clear. The longest life spans are to be found with a PRIMARILY vegetarian diet with LOW meat consumption.
What is your problem with that?
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
*smacks forehead* dumbass, you're even wrong about how papers are PUBLISHED. Americvan journal of clinican nutrition 2003, Vol.78, no.3 is still a VOLUME, not a PAPER.
Okay, you're done. This is now a waste of my time, you've embarassed yourself enough.
srobinsn2003 2 years ago
this is the way i live :)
peaceandtea 3 years ago
Cool!
:)
animallog 3 years ago
Wonder why ccr5cxc4 is so angry? Is that a result of eating too much meat? :P Umm... all I know is that there are plenty of articles and writings about meat related diseases, and virtually no articles linking to a plant based diet. Sorry- but the evidence is against you, but continue to make your own choice- I support that.
DJKarma1 3 years ago
DJKarma1 - I am angry that people lie in order to push their agenda. You want to convince people, try telling the truth.
And by the way, have the balls to actually respond to someone instead of trying to hide your responses.
Coward.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
No agenda- just my own truth and sharing it. If you don't agree, than so be it. I don't go on meat lover's videos and yell at them, and it's not b/c I'm a coward. Believe me, going vegan wasn't the easy path. It took a lot of soul searching and sifting through literature that was written by money-driven associations-i.e pharm co's, meat industry. I'm not gaining any profit by proclaiming my veganism- just the joy of sharing what has helped me and my family and what I believe could help others.
VegSpinz 2 years ago
VegSpinz - And I respect that totally. There are plenty of people who lie about the issues though saying things like "humans are natural fugivores", "meat causes cancer"
etc.
Like I say it is about intellectual honesty. If you honestly believe vegan is the best way to go, start by being honest about it.
Personally I am 90-95% vegetarian because that is what is best for my health.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
I think in our country (US), meat IS to be feared, due to the lack of food regulations. There are foreign chemicals (ie steroids, etc.) injected into our meat and dairy to increase production & profit, and to satisfy demand. But my suspicion is that it's causing harm- that probably didn't exist back in the day when meat was totally natural. The increase in disease here is prob due to a combination of both over-consumption and food quality. In that respect, there is an argument for meat & cancer.
VegSpinz 2 years ago 2
VegSpinz - "meat IS to be feared, due to the lack of food regulations." Well now you are not being exactly honest are you?
Hear about the salmonella deaths from peanut products recently? What about the hepatitis outbreaks from green onions.
So if you are going to talk about lack of food regulations, be honest. That affects ALL food, not meat in particular.
ccr5cxcr4 2 years ago
"it is not the BEST diet" - More bullshit. In fact The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3 found that the best diet for humans is an omnivorous diet.
"Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy?"
"Low levels of meat consumption significantly decreases mortality risk and increases life expectancy 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) in vegetarians.
3.6 years increase in longevity from pure vegetarian to low meat consumption.
ccr5cxcr4 3 years ago
Lying doesn't become the scientific process, ccr. The sentence you've fabricated here doesn't exist in the study, while the following one does:
"Current data ...raise the
possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat
intake is associated with greater longevity. The findings from one
cohort of healthy adults raises the possibility that long-term (≥ 2
decades) adherence to a vegetarian diet can further produce a
significant 3.6-y increase in life expectancy."
srobinsn2003 2 years ago
That 3.6 years? Yeah, that's the ADDITIONAL 3.6 years a vegetarian lives if they hold to it for several decades, above and beyond the additional time they live just for initially "going" vegetarian.
Shame on you for trying to abuse science. From all of us actual scientists (in my case, the discipline is nuclear physics), rest assured that we do check these things, and the truth will out.
srobinsn2003 2 years ago
"support a plant-based diet that can reverse diseases like diabetes, heart disease and cancer" - Bullshit. The PCRM claims no such thing AND, where are your peer reviewed science showing ANY such thing.
Reverse cancer? Bullshit. Reverse diabetes? Bullshit. Losing weight helps with type 2, and a vegetarian diet does absolutely nothing to "reverse" type 1. Or are you claiming that vegetarian diet miraculously regenerates pancreatic islet cells?
You are a fucking misinformation asshole
ccr5cxcr4 3 years ago
I think it's pretty rare to find someone who doesn't do well on a vegan diet. And, I would rather take a B-12 supplement than contribute to the torture of 10 million animals a year, which is what's currently happening in the US.
VegSpinz 3 years ago
You lost the concept of having a normal life.
liusinger 3 years ago
Well, If you define normal as dying early of diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc., wasting insane amounts of natural resources, and doing things to cows, pigs, and chickens that would get you arrested if you did them to dogs and cats, then yeah, I've lost that concept and have redefined another.
VegSpinz 3 years ago
where is the scientific proof that eating a balanced omnivore diet causes this things?
liusinger 3 years ago
Well, I can tell you where I got my info, and maybe others can chime in. I started researching diet when my mother was diagnosed with cancer, and came across The Food Revolution by John Robbins (former heir to the Baskin & Robbins empire) who cited many scientific journals and studies. I also read The China Study, and studies from the PCRM (Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine)- all support a plant-based diet that can reverse diseases like diabetes, heart disease and cancer.
DJKarma1 3 years ago
Sorry- not enough space! Although I do think a balanced omni diet is far better than the typical American diet (i.e. fast food, processed, etc.), it is not the BEST diet, and given how much steroids and chemicals are in our country's meat, dairy, and eggs (unregulated), the threat for early disease is undeniable. Other countries have even banned meat products from our's due to this fact. If you're gonna eat meat, the best is organic, but I also oppose factory farming and abuse, plus eco factor
DJKarma1 3 years ago
I admire your courage and intelligence. You know in the end we will prevail.
Eston83 3 years ago
lol, you sound like a spambot.
Seriously, I eat meat too, and I grew up with life-long vegans; and they're well also. This whole "Science" is starting to sound like a morale-wrecking dogma, intended to bring indirect fear about veganism. Kinda like how people twist the Bible to their liking.
27362489723683524783 3 years ago
Humans are omnivores.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
HumanShot 3 years ago
@HumanShot
"Humans are omnivores."
So what. Does that mean we can't make better choices?
seekstruth 3 years ago
Every person is different and even as a vegan you may require more of some foods and less of others to find a balance that is right for your body. I don't think you can generalise and say veganism makes you sick. I and my friends have been vegan for some time and don't get sick. You just need to educate yourself about nutrition. That said, of course it isn't for everyone, just like eating meat isn't.
skitzycat1 3 years ago
everyone i know who follows a vegan diet get sick ALOT
i dotn think its good for u .. i tried it and i felt shit all the time
justcornelius 3 years ago
Maybe you where not eating the right stuff, I have been a vegan for a long time and have not gotten sick for two years.....not even the sniffles.
Hinkle20 3 years ago 2
no i followed the diet really well
what diet is right for you depends on ure body type, your metabolism, what illness or weaknesses you have.. and veganism is not good for ALOT of ppl
a girl i know was vegan for 5 yrs, ate all the things ure supposed to eat. she also suffered mental health issues. had psycosis, seeing and hearing things, talking to herself .. she was MENTAL.. she started eating meat 6 months ago.. shes now 90% better.
for some veganism works for others it doesnt
justcornelius 3 years ago
I notice every anti-vegan omni says this yet I know over 60-70 vegans and NONE of them get sick more than the average person (in fact most of them get sick less)
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago 2
Pushing fruit up your ass is also free of long term health effects according to my friend who is a sexual health nurse (its commoner than you'd think apparently). Does that make it a good thing to make your kids do while you have power over them? Like I said- you vegans have failed to indoctrinate the adult world: this video makes it look like you've decided to just breed your own converts instead.
ech1dna 2 years ago
Uh.....are you nuts?
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago 3
I teach meditation and yoga.. most the ppl i know are vegan. For a few it works.. for others (most) it is not so good. All i know is when i have patients come to me who are vegan and suffer from various health conditions when meat is introduced into the diet in most case they will improve significantly. Even buddhist teachers recommend vegans with health issues eat meat
It is not a diet most ppl do well on.. Its ok for 3 months for a detox but in the long term the diet fails.
justcornelius 2 years ago
It's nothing to do with veganism itself and everything to do with poor choices. If someone is eating a wide variety of whole foods and ensuring they are getting all their essential nutrients there should be NO problems.
If someone decides to go vegan by eating fries, pizza, and soda all day, the health problems that result are a fault of their own, not the vegan lifestyle.
ALL essential nutrients can EASILY be obtained in a vegan diet.
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago 19
stopspe- justcornelius wrote in with their real-life experience of veganism and you just slap it down because it doesn't fit your ideology. That is so weak.
You response also highlights another reason why veganism is such a crock of bull- to do it without getting sick means obsessing over your diet in the most anal detail. Its a totally artificial hobby diet.
And the idea that it saves animal lives is rubbish- ever heard of agricultural pest control? You pay for that when you buy any veg...
ech1dna 2 years ago
Humans are by nature frugivores digesting fruit best. If u are enculturated to consume animal products that is your political right but don't call it healthy or natural. The contents of animal fat ie heme Fe, uric acid, concentrated pro, chol, etc make such animal-centric diets inherently unhealthy for H. sapiens. Please get the heck out of the way and let health-conscious vegans exchange useful info on plant-based diets. Take your anti-vegan crap to some meat minion cult pep-rally.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
chrisis- "Humans are by nature frugivores digesting fruit best"- thats the funniest thing I've heard in ages! If its true: why are there no frugivorous cultures anywhere in the world? And why is our dentistry, digestive enzymes and intestine so clearly omnivore in form? (ask any zoologist).
ech1dna 2 years ago
"why are there no frugivorous cultures"
Irrelevant but the answer is within your omniconfused question. 'Culture' is NOT evolution. Humans (frugivores) also dive, this doesn't mean they adapted to it, they use tools & caution lest they get bends surfacing, etc, unlike animals w/genetic programs to dive.
Enculturated ppl cook but haven't evolved to digest cooked food. There are also no 'cultures' that exercise optimally.
'omnivore' is a euphemism for 'scavenger' not scientific classification.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
ech1dna-"why is our dentistry, digestive enzymes and intestine so clearely omnivore" There is no 'omnivore' (scavenger) quality in any of the human features.
"ask any zoologist"
"Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of other animals shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food." - Carl Linneaus, father of modern taxonomic nomenclature.
'omnivore' is a blanket/unscientific term. Please get with the program, it isn't a popularity contest or vote..
Chrisisms 2 years ago
chrisis- "get with the program"? Did you write that with a straight face?
You have some cheek calling anything unscientific considering the new age fluff you vegans believe. 'Omnivore' has a scientific definition- an organism which eats both plant and animal tissues. Check it in a science dictionary if you don't believe me. While you are at it, look up 'necrophage'. That means scavenger.
Linneaus was a great man but he also believed black africans were a primitive subspecies of human.
ech1dna 2 years ago
No animal digests plants and meat the same. They are NOT digested equally. Humans digest fruits BETTER than meat with opposing digestive processes. ANY animal can consume meat if they have to ie cows, rabbits, humans, horses, chimps, etc. That doesn't mean they are optimized for meat. ALL hominoidea digest fruit best and meat makes ALL hominoidea sick. u may consume meat if u want, that's your right, just don't call it healthy or natural.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Like most evangelical vegans you seem to just invent facts to suit. You have demonstrated here your poor grasp of biology and your willingness to fill the gaping holes in your knowledge with wishful thinking.
I honestly don't care what you do to your body but to inflict deliberate malnourishment on children is a shitty thing to do.
ech1dna 2 years ago
"you vegans"
The topic is dietary classification, please leave your anti-vegan religious, parataxic distortions (what's that!?) OUT of this.
Humans are specialized frugivores digesting fruit best. Fruit is NOT digested equally to meat. Meat causes diseases, it is not a natural food for humans. Fruit prevents diseases, it is a natural food for humans. "Omnivore" is a vague, blanket term that does not represent the complex digestive system of H. sapiens, optimized for fruit.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
This guy is saying FALSE
statements. "'omnivore' is a blanket/unscientific term" LOL dude common and try to be a little more creative, you try to appear so smart, and full of knowledge, when in reality you have no idea what your saying. DONT say Omnivore is a non-scientfic term, that is a complete fallacy. And DONT use the word FRUGIVORE it is in fact a NON-scientific term, and if it must be used is is a SUB-class, not a MAIN learn your shit.
samsunit144 2 years ago
Our omnivore features:
-Our intestinal tract is longer than a carnivore's but shorter than that of pure herbivores of the same weight.
-Our dentition is unlike either a carnivore or herbivore but very similar to that of pigs and other herbivores
-We can digest everything: animal, vegetable, fruit, grain. Try feeding a sheep on fruit and meat, or a cat grain and veg- see how they suffer, but humans can thrive on any combination of these because we are omnivores!
ech1dna 2 years ago
"intestinal tract is longer than a carnivore's" so humans don't digest meat properly & it causes disease.
"shorter than that of pure herbivores" False. H. sapien's small intestine is 10.5xs the body length. Herbivores avg intestinal length >10xs the body length. Humans are frugivores (specialized herbivores, digesting fruit best as hindgut fermenters with >2xs the bacteria in the stomach as cells in the body).
"similar to that of pigs"
Human dentition resembles orangutans (frugivores) more.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
Chrisis- OK, I find it odd that despite years of scientific education I have not encountered any research claiming humans are frugivorous. Clearly a crypto-carnivore conspiracy eh?
Why are no human populations with such a diet?
Why are fruitarians so malnourished?
Why does a fruitarian diet in pregnancy retard babies?
Incidentally- wild chimps have a carnivorous streak, hunting animals regularly and valueing the meat highly. Its does NOT make them sick. google 'gombe chimp hunt'
ech1dna 2 years ago
"despite years of scientific education I have not encountered any research claiming humans are frugivores."
It is not so hard to understand. In religious cultures evolution is not pushed. The USDA has a vested interest in seeing the grains/meat/dairy industry succeed.
"fruitarian"
is another of your religions. Humans are frugivores, digesting fruit best. Do a search on a scientific database, pick your favorite disease style, research it with varying food classes to see what matches.
Chrisisms 2 years ago
This guy is saying false statements so don't believe him
samsunit144 2 years ago
@StopSpeciesism that is simply false
rosepetal108 7 months ago
Please see the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada's position on vegan diets.
StopSpeciesism 2 years ago 3
bullshit, as a meat-eater, living with livelong vegans. I've no doubt that the whole B12 thing is BS.
Seriously, it all originates in the gut.
Just don't jam it like I did. I love meat, I overate it, and guess what? I got anemic.
Hence I had to cut down on it.
Yeah I know. But hey, I'm just here to share my experiences.
27362489723683524783 3 years ago
27362489723683524783 - " I've no doubt that the whole B12 thing is BS." well that settles it! You are ignorant.
HumanShot 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm ignorant for fucking not falling under the status quo. LOL!
And you think "science" has uncovered every little thing? Don't be a fool dude, and open up.
27362489723683524783 3 years ago
Of course science has not uncovered every little thing. But one thing we have uncovered is that humans are naturally omnivores.
If you were to eat a purely vegan diet without artificial supplementation of B-12, without eating contaminated food (feces, insect larvae), then you would begin to suffer the effects of B-12 deficiency in about 3 years (on average), and die of pernicious anemia briefly thereafter.
HumanShot 3 years ago
Humans cannot absorb directly the B-12 produced by their enteric bacteria (meaning, you COULD poop it, and then eat that if you wanted).
Unlike every vegetarian species on the planet (that we know of).
Humans must ingest bio-available B-12, or receive B-12 shots to survive. You don't have to like it. It is true regardless of your opinion.
That B-12 can be in the form of artificially synthesized B-12, soil bacteria, animal tissue or poo.
Poo & soil bacteria have their own risks.
HumanShot 3 years ago
Humans are omnivores.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
HumanShot 3 years ago
It's a myth that vegetarians and vegans can't get b12 from their diet. Cows, for example, get the bacteria off the dirt in the grass. Scientists have also recently found that fish get b12 from a certain type of algea in the ocean. Years ago, when people grew their own veggies, you could get vitamin b12 off excess dirt residue. These days, vegetables are cleaned very well, so the dirt goes away. unless you grow your own vegetables, or you can get your hands on this algea, you need a supplment.
yaacTV 3 years ago
yaacTV - He never said vegetarians & vegans cannot get b-12 from their diets. His statement, rather precise was that humans are not "natural vegetarians" and he is correct. Historically, archeologically, biochemically, anatomically humans are omnivores.
And you are repeating much of what human said before.
ccr5cxcr4 3 years ago
yaacTV - For your own health you might want to do some research about the algal B-12. There are some serious questions about the bioavailability of that cobalamin.
"Pseudovitamin B12 (an inactive corrinoid) predominated in the spirulina tablets, which are not suitable for use as a vitamin B12 source, especially for vegetarians."
Characterization and bioavailability of vitamin B12-compounds from edible algae - J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2002 Oct;48(5):325-31
ccr5cxcr4 3 years ago
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
HumanShot 3 years ago
rafferoico - Then here is the logic. We will see if it will penetrate your skull this time.
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are omnivorous. Like it or not.
HumanShot 3 years ago
Humans are omnivores.
"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.
"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.
And there are dozens more articles.
Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.
HumanShot 3 years ago
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
-David (internal med)
conotoxin 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
HUUUUUUUGE MISTAKE!!!!!!
selatik1 3 years ago
It is EVIL to eat poor imobile defenseless PLANTS! They cannot flee and have no voice! All those poor plants being force grown, force bred, and yanked from mother earth even as they reach maturity!
The meat eater is the defender of the plant! Speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves! Defending the weak from the... mobile!
END SOY SLAUGHTER!
EAT MEAT SAVE A BEET!
conotoxin 3 years ago
If it wasn't so sad subject, It could be funny comment....
animallog 3 years ago
Oh it is still funny! Don't tell me "sense of humor" is an essential nutrient found only in meat!
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
-David (internal med)
conotoxin 3 years ago
Where animals find B12?????? Wich animals??? Why not dogs, cats, RATS??? Consult Mr Kellogg's memories please... My daughter eat all B group vitamines including B12 source. Never seen a doctor until now (17months). Her mother is veg as well. (Not internal med but daily experience!).
rafferoico 3 years ago
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
conotoxin 3 years ago
Please, tell me how long I have still wait my ANEMIA (ahahaha!!!) and death (that's sure for everybody)... I'm veg since 1992, now I'm 41... Call it magical or fantasy (oh yeah I got superpowers! ahahaha!!!) I've spoken about B12 "SOURCE". Ending: 1 cow eat 12 people food: if every human MUST eat meat it mean a world with very few people and much sick cows (take a look out there). Save you and your health: forget your necrophagy
rafferoico 3 years ago
The only explanation is you are getting b-12 from enriched foods, such as enriched flour, bread, cereals, or supplements.
Now quit being an asshat. Yours is the kind of attitude that causes vegans and vegetarians in general problems.
Ignorance coupled with a loud voice... very unattractive.
conotoxin 3 years ago
The only explanation is you are getting b-12 from enriched foods, such as enriched flour, bread, cereals, or supplements.
Now quit being an asshat. Yours is the kind of attitude that causes vegans and vegetarians in general problems.
Ignorance coupled with a loud voice... very unattractive.
HumanShot 3 years ago
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
HumanShot 3 years ago
Whether or not B12 I'll try to avoid sufference as much as I can. To point on B12 in order to justify the daily, shameful sad holocaust bring to hypocrisy (sorry for english) or to immorality. At least B12 can found in a less natural way in pharmacy.
rafferoico 3 years ago
wow people like "conotoxin" make my blood boil until i get a headache. now i will avoid ytube comments for weeks because of your nescient view of veganism. if you hate vegans so much why are you typing these comments, why are you watching these great videos just to upset yourself like i am right now. whats the point of this?instead of mocking vegans why dont you get a life and do something instead of harrasing people in cyber space to "get off" by it somehow...trouble finding someone? jerk
frankgoreALLheart 3 years ago
There is just a lot of extreme talk going on. Some of it is untruthful, and that reduces its credibility.
A few points:
Historically, archeologicaly & scientifically, humans (H.S.) are omnivores. In the modern world, we CAN survive and prosper as vegans with b-12 supplementation.
But the health problems have their root in overeating, not omnivore vs. vegan.
-David (internal med)
conotoxin 3 years ago
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EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
HumanShot 3 years ago
EVERY vegetarian species on the PLANET can absorb the B-12 produced by their own enteric bacteria. No carnivore (that we know of) absorbs their enteric B-12. They get their B-12 from the meat they eat.
Humans cannot absorb the B-12 in their guts because it is produced by enteric bacteria in the colon, and all our B-12 absorption is done in the terminal ileum.
We are "designed" to be omnivorous. Like it or not.
conotoxin 3 years ago
Are you sure about that? Ruminants have microorganisms in their rumen that use B12 but I do not believe this is the same thing as absorbing B12. Plant eating animals still must get B12 from their food, which would contain B12 producing bacteria even with though they are eating plants. The "problem" with getting B12 from a vegan diet today is largely because we wash and sanitize everything, including those bacteria that produce B12. Anyway, B12 deficiency is still very rare, and easily treatable.
SCVeganDOTcom 2 years ago
"Ruminants have microorganisms in their rumen that use B12" - They synthesize it. Not use it.
We have similar bacteria in our own colons, but no means to absorb significant amounts of it. It is one of the physiological differences between omnivore species and vegetarian.
"Plant eating animals still must get B12 from their food" Not significant amounts. They get most from their own bacteria, and some from fecal contamination & insects unintentionally consumed.
conotoxin 2 years ago
"we wash and sanitize everything" You are correct in that. It is ironic that our extraordinary advances in food safety have in some ways reduced the nutritional value of some foods.
Not only do we eliminate much of the bacteria, but insect & fecal contamination, which are both sources of B12.
"B12 deficiency is still very rare" Rare, but not that rare. See a couple dozen cases a year.
"easily treatable" Very easily.
conotoxin 2 years ago
All things considered, I can not buy into the idea that B12 being lacking in washed fruits and vegetables as a basis for humans not being natural plant eaters. A whole isle of digestive aids being sold at the drug store says a lot more to tip the scales in the vegans favor that humans are currently eating the WRONG diet. B12 is really the only knock against a vegan diet, but honestly it is not a problem. Have you ever known someone with B12 deficiency? I haven't, and I know LOTS of vegans.
SCVeganDOTcom 2 years ago
"Have you ever known someone with B12 deficiency?" Yes. Quite a few, but I am a doc, so I see a lot of sick people.
Most common for B12 deficiency in my 15 years of experience:
Vegetarians > Elderly > Alcoholics > Other Drug Abusers > Immune disorders (Intrinsic factor or R-protein).
"not being natural plant eaters" And understand, I very much support vegetarianism. I very much oppose pseudoscience.
The fact is that historically, archeologically, humans are opportunistic
conotoxin 2 years ago
feeders. That is not really a matter for debate. The historical evidence is overwhelming.
Isotope analysis demonstrates that even historically "vegetarian" populations were not vegetarian by modern standards. They were getting significant amounts of animal protein (probably in the form of insects/insect larvae, but animal protein nonetheless). I can direct you to the relevant studies.
In today's world, one can easily be vegetarian with the supplements that are available.
conotoxin 2 years ago
However, if longevity is your goal, we are finding that calorie restriction is more important than the source of your calories. Meat can be problematic, especially in today's world of plentiful food (in the US) because it is such a concentrated punch of nutrition. It is easy to eat too much.
Currently, the best diet is 95% vegetarian, 5% meat with a calorie restriction (I can dig that one up for you too if you want it).
conotoxin 2 years ago
Let me defend this "omnivorous" guy: until he write here he give the chance of talk about a matter where there are no teachers. His words and crippling arguments give the chance to demonstrate the sense of the vegan choice...
rafferoico 3 years ago
rafferoico - Don't let your irrational religion interfere with good sense.
Ruminants can absorb the B-12 made by bacteria in their guts. Humans, as omnivores cannot.
Now you can pretend that you (and your daughter) are part of the magical population that can live without B-12. But you are just pretending, and that kind of fantasy can hurt your health.
All humans must either eat meat, poo, B-12 enriched foods or take B-12 supplements. Otherwise you risk pernicious anemia and death.
HumanShot 3 years ago