I don't fully understand the pulling their head around to lay them down. I just pick up my horse's leg like I was going to pick it out, then bend it up slightly towards his belly, and he lays down gently.
So...what exactly is "tap" or "the tap" when I first glanced at this I was like, oh my goodness what are they doing to these horses...but the more I watched, it appears to be very unforceful. The horses don't seem fearful or very resistant and you seem very gentle with them. I've never heard of this. I've never seen it either. I've seen people force horses onto the ground by jerking their feet out from under them but this seems very relaxed and gentle. Can you tell me a little about it?
yur right Paul, i believe CmC just doesnt know how to ask about it! lol it still amazes me how "horsepeople" will NOT accept this into their brains. no matter, those who do have open the door to a great future...we believe Paul, and BRAD!!!!
Brad, well done and well argued. I think the third horse in the vid comes to lay on the right stirrup which probably is not very comfortable and might cause a pressure sore. Shouldn´t that be avoided?
The stirup is actually run up so it does look like she's laying on it but isn't really... But yeah I'd say it'd be pretty uncomfortable if you did let it happen.
CM all you had to do was ask how to do it and we all would have told you. All breakers should learn how to do this and that's half the reason you commented, you find it interesting and wanna know more. Just ask ok.
There is no way this guy CMC is a trainer. I'd have to see it to believe it. Hopefully, very soon, for the horses sake, this will be the only way horses will be started. Brad, keep up the good work.
as usual there are always the doubters, who are not willing to see the good in something they are unfamiliar with. But hey, iknow a good thng when i see it, and brad in his vest, sleeveless, now thts a good thing!!lol
Hey, CM why don´t you just look it up in Pauls vids, maybe post some questions if you have any and have a try on it, and if you don´t like it then, leave it for the others. What´s wrong about testing new ideas for a good horseman? No need to make such a noise of it........
and as for filly billy we lay horses own that need it not by using a tap and the only reason i didnt understand what the tap was for is because i watched videos of rad tappin every horse he came in contact with even one horse that was loose in the paddock and i wasnt sure the point of that is all!
Mate I don't tap every horse across,far from it. The horse in the paddock was the first time I had tapped a horse so it was just to try it out, the rest of them had genuine reasons for using the tap. This vid isn't to show the effect of the tap or method of using it, just to show that anyone with a reasonable amount of horse sense can use the tap. Also the clips where taken over several months.
How do you use the tap exactly like what do you do because I've been looking for quite a bit of time and can't figure out what you do like where the pressure point is and such.
i wasnt havnt a go at anyone at all i just didnt see the point of it is all. if that is the way u do itgood on you and im not young well i am but im older then brad im 22 and ive been breakin in and educating racehorses snce i was 16.
CMC, this is a sophisticated technique that enables a horse to understand that they can trust us to be their leader. Do you think that your racehorses give you their full attention when they are tied up, or getting worked on the track? NO. I've seen the way recehorses are trained, and, they are the ones that need something like this the most because they have been so mentally and physically traumatised.
Great JOB Brad! Really impressive. You're making the TAP look so easy.
The first horse made me laugh too, the way the others looked at him. Like.. 'Holy Crap what did the jockey man do to Ed? Wow Ed, you trip or something?' LMAO!
We know not the smartest to do with loose horses but we understand your enthusiasm. :~)
This is not "working with them" in your opinon? Sticking a bit and a saddle on them, sitting on them and riding them around, restraining them for vet and farrier work is all having them at your mercy. It's a matter of intent.
Hey CMC... Do a little research and you'll find that laying horses down is old as horsemanship itself. The TAP method is actually a much gentler method than ways of old. And the TAP is not recommended for unskilled handlers.
This removes the flight instinct in a calm and quiet way for the horse. Check 'Endospink' videos and you just might learn a thing or two. This is a tool that definitely has it's place in working with *obstreperous* horses. (Look that word up, okay! Seriously.)
i dont need to look that word up i make enough money off breakin in races horses and riding dads horses trackwork i dont need to know big words im not trying to get a diploma
what exactly is this in aid of? My father and i have broken in hundreds of thoroughbreds and if any of our oners saw us do this to a hundred plus thousand dollar yearling or a horse they had bred we would be shot! what is he point?
The point of this is it helps remove their flight response, by putting the horse in a postion where they are completly at your mercy and them not been harmed it helps stop them thinking of you as the predator. I have used the half tap on some well bred horses that had isues with mounting (that bad they were'nt getting worked) in front of very smart trainers who had no isue with it (and it sovled the problems). But hey don't take my word on it check out endos vids and give it a try yourself.
Most owners don't know the proper way to handle and train a horse and don't see half the things that go on behind the scenes anyway.. that's why they send them to training. And a trainer worth his salt will look at a method with an open mind and willingness to learn something new. This technique is helpful for a lot of different situations, including as a less stressful way of breaking in horses and dealing with certain behavioural issues.
It's been working great. With the breakers it seems to make them a lot more solid to ride and they are probably going better at 3 or 4 week's than they normally would be at 6 week's. Having good results with the half tap on some that had problems with people getting on at the track, use the half tap once or twice and problem solved!
Yeah the first one wasn't the smartest thing i've ever done (no helmut or vest, in the paddock with other horses ect) But i was just that excited after watching some of endo's vid's I had to go out and have a play with one...
lol, that's funny! I was investigating the tap too, and the very next day, I went to the barn, did half-tap him several times...he was like stoned putty in my hands, hehe. We went out on a trail ride right after that and he was an ANGEL. See, a few days prior to that, we were out on trail alone, and the owner of our boarding stable came galloping up across a filed on a PONY mule, and woahhhh, he was going crazy! I had to jump off him for fear of getting teribly injured. So...this really works!
So u think cause a mule galloped passed you and scared your horse it is crazy? Now that u tapped it it is an angel? After you tapped it and now you reckon it is better did the man on his mule fly passed again? you really think now that you tapped your horse if it wont get scared by someone galloping passed it anymore?
Spare me the sarcasm and communicate like a mature horseman. Just because I said my horse acted crazy doesn't mean he IS crazy. My horse happens to be very sweet and gentle, but he's GREEN. So if I decide to try something innovative to see how it affects his general behavior, that's MY business. And if I want to share the reaction of my horse with others, I will. And I don't appreciate getting asshol remarks like the snid one you leave for me. Go away and leave nice people to themselves.
*And for the record, my horse and I were alone on trail for the very irst time in the EIGHT years I've owned him. Additionally, I haven't ridden him in FIVE years due to an accident I had with him when he was a stallion. So after 5 years of rehab, I am permanently disabled and get SSDI. This is a GIG deal for me to get to this point. So hopefully you are more comapssionate and understanding of my individua situation. There are many others who have "special" stories. Don't be so judgemental.
I don't fully understand the pulling their head around to lay them down. I just pick up my horse's leg like I was going to pick it out, then bend it up slightly towards his belly, and he lays down gently.
LucerodeCaballos 1 month ago
This is an excellent tool, I use it often and produce some very calm horses
ArteSuaveNZ 3 months ago
So...what exactly is "tap" or "the tap" when I first glanced at this I was like, oh my goodness what are they doing to these horses...but the more I watched, it appears to be very unforceful. The horses don't seem fearful or very resistant and you seem very gentle with them. I've never heard of this. I've never seen it either. I've seen people force horses onto the ground by jerking their feet out from under them but this seems very relaxed and gentle. Can you tell me a little about it?
Equestrian08 6 months ago
poor horse..
Louisehellstrom 10 months ago
Good job :]
xXConjureOneXx 2 years ago
yur right Paul, i believe CmC just doesnt know how to ask about it! lol it still amazes me how "horsepeople" will NOT accept this into their brains. no matter, those who do have open the door to a great future...we believe Paul, and BRAD!!!!
getgorgeousnow 3 years ago
Brad, well done and well argued. I think the third horse in the vid comes to lay on the right stirrup which probably is not very comfortable and might cause a pressure sore. Shouldn´t that be avoided?
endospinktrousers 3 years ago
The stirup is actually run up so it does look like she's laying on it but isn't really... But yeah I'd say it'd be pretty uncomfortable if you did let it happen.
bwp247 3 years ago
CM all you had to do was ask how to do it and we all would have told you. All breakers should learn how to do this and that's half the reason you commented, you find it interesting and wanna know more. Just ask ok.
endospink 3 years ago 3
There is no way this guy CMC is a trainer. I'd have to see it to believe it. Hopefully, very soon, for the horses sake, this will be the only way horses will be started. Brad, keep up the good work.
gershwin2 3 years ago
Cheers
bwp247 3 years ago
as usual there are always the doubters, who are not willing to see the good in something they are unfamiliar with. But hey, iknow a good thng when i see it, and brad in his vest, sleeveless, now thts a good thing!!lol
getgorgeousnow 3 years ago 3
Can't argue with you there...
JjGober 3 years ago
Awesome Brad! You rock! also--keep wearing those sleeveless T-shirts Wooo-Hoooo!
phyldil 3 years ago
and one last thing we dont lay horses down with saddles on cause our gear is worth to much
CMCrockett 3 years ago
Hey, CM why don´t you just look it up in Pauls vids, maybe post some questions if you have any and have a try on it, and if you don´t like it then, leave it for the others. What´s wrong about testing new ideas for a good horseman? No need to make such a noise of it........
endospinktrousers 3 years ago
and as for filly billy we lay horses own that need it not by using a tap and the only reason i didnt understand what the tap was for is because i watched videos of rad tappin every horse he came in contact with even one horse that was loose in the paddock and i wasnt sure the point of that is all!
CMCrockett 3 years ago
Aha! So you DO lay horses down. Do you use a leg strap to accomplish this? Might it not be EASIER to know the TAP? Perhaps even safer for the horses?
You might be the coolest person at your facility if you could just TAP a horse without the drama. Think about it.
PEACE!
filly4billy2002 3 years ago
Mate I don't tap every horse across,far from it. The horse in the paddock was the first time I had tapped a horse so it was just to try it out, the rest of them had genuine reasons for using the tap. This vid isn't to show the effect of the tap or method of using it, just to show that anyone with a reasonable amount of horse sense can use the tap. Also the clips where taken over several months.
bwp247 3 years ago
How do you use the tap exactly like what do you do because I've been looking for quite a bit of time and can't figure out what you do like where the pressure point is and such.
SnowboardChickBurton 2 years ago
No pressure points mate, endo has a flash drive explaining the method involved...
bwp247 2 years ago
Ok thank you, well done!
SnowboardChickBurton 2 years ago
can you tell me where i can find the info too?
JessaBreeze32 2 years ago
i wasnt havnt a go at anyone at all i just didnt see the point of it is all. if that is the way u do itgood on you and im not young well i am but im older then brad im 22 and ive been breakin in and educating racehorses snce i was 16.
CMCrockett 3 years ago
CMC, this is a sophisticated technique that enables a horse to understand that they can trust us to be their leader. Do you think that your racehorses give you their full attention when they are tied up, or getting worked on the track? NO. I've seen the way recehorses are trained, and, they are the ones that need something like this the most because they have been so mentally and physically traumatised.
meehorse 3 years ago
Did I NOT leave a comment here before?
Great JOB Brad! Really impressive. You're making the TAP look so easy.
The first horse made me laugh too, the way the others looked at him. Like.. 'Holy Crap what did the jockey man do to Ed? Wow Ed, you trip or something?' LMAO!
We know not the smartest to do with loose horses but we understand your enthusiasm. :~)
filly4billy2002 3 years ago
I just dont like to bring horses under my "mercy" wework with them not against them
CMCrockett 3 years ago
This is not "working with them" in your opinon? Sticking a bit and a saddle on them, sitting on them and riding them around, restraining them for vet and farrier work is all having them at your mercy. It's a matter of intent.
JjGober 3 years ago 3
Hey CMC... Do a little research and you'll find that laying horses down is old as horsemanship itself. The TAP method is actually a much gentler method than ways of old. And the TAP is not recommended for unskilled handlers.
This removes the flight instinct in a calm and quiet way for the horse. Check 'Endospink' videos and you just might learn a thing or two. This is a tool that definitely has it's place in working with *obstreperous* horses. (Look that word up, okay! Seriously.)
filly4billy2002 3 years ago 3
Obstreperous! hehehe, too funny.
JjGober 3 years ago
Thank Mr HP for that word Jj.
I'm nothing if I don't pay close attention and that word is PERFECT to describe the horses the TAP will be most effective on.
'Noisy, boisterous, unruly, especially when taking direction or advice.'
Best word I've ever heard to describe horses that will truly benefit from the TAP.
filly4billy2002 3 years ago
i dont need to look that word up i make enough money off breakin in races horses and riding dads horses trackwork i dont need to know big words im not trying to get a diploma
CMCrockett 3 years ago
Julie, obstreperous that´s great. Oxfords Advanced Learners Dictionary of Current English would give you 5* for it!
endospinktrousers 3 years ago
what exactly is this in aid of? My father and i have broken in hundreds of thoroughbreds and if any of our oners saw us do this to a hundred plus thousand dollar yearling or a horse they had bred we would be shot! what is he point?
CMCrockett 3 years ago
The point of this is it helps remove their flight response, by putting the horse in a postion where they are completly at your mercy and them not been harmed it helps stop them thinking of you as the predator. I have used the half tap on some well bred horses that had isues with mounting (that bad they were'nt getting worked) in front of very smart trainers who had no isue with it (and it sovled the problems). But hey don't take my word on it check out endos vids and give it a try yourself.
bwp247 3 years ago
Most owners don't know the proper way to handle and train a horse and don't see half the things that go on behind the scenes anyway.. that's why they send them to training. And a trainer worth his salt will look at a method with an open mind and willingness to learn something new. This technique is helpful for a lot of different situations, including as a less stressful way of breaking in horses and dealing with certain behavioural issues.
JjGober 3 years ago
Very nice. Nice job. We'll start calling you Endo Jr....
gershwin2 3 years ago 3
my horse rears when i try that!
horsebackrider420 3 years ago
what do you do...just walk around your place and TAP every horse you come across ???? (Just kidding :) good job!!!! :)
twomblypublishing 3 years ago
These vids where taken over the last nine months or so, so yeah we've had a lot of horse's come through in that time...
bwp247 3 years ago
Great Vid of you using the Tap method. Sure do good with their training.
sunlei5 3 years ago
Cheers
bwp247 3 years ago
It is really good. Minute 1.06, can you tell me what kind of saddle this is? Thanks, Congrats, JAvier.
altaescuelaecuestre 3 years ago
It's an australian stock saddle. they're great for ridding young horses in, if u can find a good one that is.
bwp247 3 years ago
lookin' like a pro! Two Thumbs Up
SugarJak 3 years ago 2
Thank's mate
bwp247 3 years ago
Hey look, it's Pat.. Paul's twin brother from 'stralia, lol
Well, it very well could be ya know :~)
I'll call him Pat because they sound like twin brother names.. Pat & Paul, or maybe his name is Fred or Bill or Ed or R'kins, lmao
bella435 3 years ago
Yeah you can't be calling me pat though, I think there's a copywrite or trademark or something like that on that name... LOL
bwp247 3 years ago
Please don't tell me Paul's twin carries around an orange carrot stick, lmao
bella435 3 years ago 2
Na never could really figure out the idea of an orange stick... The black (or green, gold ect) persuader seems to work just fine for me.
bwp247 3 years ago
but sometimes i use the liquorice stick... a.k.a. a piece of poly pipe... lol...
bwp247 3 years ago
looks like your catching on!! i had to look twice, thought it Endo!! hahahaa how has it been working for ya?
getgorgeousnow 3 years ago
It's been working great. With the breakers it seems to make them a lot more solid to ride and they are probably going better at 3 or 4 week's than they normally would be at 6 week's. Having good results with the half tap on some that had problems with people getting on at the track, use the half tap once or twice and problem solved!
bwp247 3 years ago
The first one -- the other two horses were like, "hey, what the heck just happened to Bob? He just fell over!"
Bravo on the tap, as well as the safety gear too!
artroland 3 years ago
Yeah the first one wasn't the smartest thing i've ever done (no helmut or vest, in the paddock with other horses ect) But i was just that excited after watching some of endo's vid's I had to go out and have a play with one...
bwp247 3 years ago
lol, that's funny! I was investigating the tap too, and the very next day, I went to the barn, did half-tap him several times...he was like stoned putty in my hands, hehe. We went out on a trail ride right after that and he was an ANGEL. See, a few days prior to that, we were out on trail alone, and the owner of our boarding stable came galloping up across a filed on a PONY mule, and woahhhh, he was going crazy! I had to jump off him for fear of getting teribly injured. So...this really works!
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
So u think cause a mule galloped passed you and scared your horse it is crazy? Now that u tapped it it is an angel? After you tapped it and now you reckon it is better did the man on his mule fly passed again? you really think now that you tapped your horse if it wont get scared by someone galloping passed it anymore?
CMCrockett 3 years ago
Spare me the sarcasm and communicate like a mature horseman. Just because I said my horse acted crazy doesn't mean he IS crazy. My horse happens to be very sweet and gentle, but he's GREEN. So if I decide to try something innovative to see how it affects his general behavior, that's MY business. And if I want to share the reaction of my horse with others, I will. And I don't appreciate getting asshol remarks like the snid one you leave for me. Go away and leave nice people to themselves.
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
*And for the record, my horse and I were alone on trail for the very irst time in the EIGHT years I've owned him. Additionally, I haven't ridden him in FIVE years due to an accident I had with him when he was a stallion. So after 5 years of rehab, I am permanently disabled and get SSDI. This is a GIG deal for me to get to this point. So hopefully you are more comapssionate and understanding of my individua situation. There are many others who have "special" stories. Don't be so judgemental.
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
oops, Gig=Big
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
Those yongsters are doing great!
lklik6 3 years ago
Way to go aussie...oi oi oi
endospink 3 years ago