you do know if that was your lesson or test, you would have failed becuase you didnt react accordingly. you had plenty of time to stop. yes the other driver was ion the wrong, but you were just the same to react in such a manner.
@Mathewmartialart On the driving test, yes, I would have failed. On various pursuit and evasive driving courses it was the safest choice because I cleared the area with the least risk... I probably could have stopped in time, but then it's also worth noting that's a 1993 car with no ABS system and crappy brakes - so on a judgement call in the real world, there was a risk of locking up or not stopping in time - and she did not pick up speed when she pulled out.
@nastyevilninja you are at least 2 car lengths away from the car . now i havent done any advanced driving courses, yet i know since it seems to not be heavy rain and the road seems only to be slightly damp, unless you were not concentrating to notice the car was starting to move,you should have and did have a clear notice for you to slow enough for you to not make such a dramatic overtake.if i could have stopped,im sure you could have,especially when it seems you didnt slow down
@Mathewmartialart The road was clear, so I took the safest escape route to clear the situation. *shrugs* If I hadn't been concentrating it may have been a different story.
@nastyevilninja im just saying i did a simlar move when i was on one of my driving lessons and got a bollocking becuase it was highly dangerous and i should have stopped becuase there was plenty of time and space to do so. and if your saying you have had advanced driving, it just surprises me you didnt have the skill to do just that
@Mathewmartialart The driving test is exactly that. They don't want to get people actually THINKING and making threat assessments, because most people just don't have that ability. That's where the whole test thing falls down, because fuck-tards like the one who pulled out here managed to pass their test somehow. It's just about learning set reactions and doing things to the letter, and in the real world that doesn't make safe drivers...
@nastyevilninja so your going to tell me that taking your test especially in your experince of an advanced test they dont want you to think about whats abhead and how to react? hard to believe. and you shouldnt and cant place all the blame on that driver since you SHOULD have stopped easily.
@Mathewmartialart Why take the risk when the oncoming lane was clear and her blocking my route was the only threat? I cleared the threat with no drama, causing nobody else to brake or adjust their natural path - so job jobbed. More horsepower would have been useful to complete the move more quickly, but that's about it.
@nastyevilninja there is a rigth hand turn literally feet from where this driver is, so you made the wrong move by not knowing if they were going to continue down the road or infact turn into the next road, you made the wrong move by overtaking becuase you felt it was the right move. and becuase of the solid white lines i bring your attention to Overtaking (162-169) of the highway code, which you clearly breached.
@Mathewmartialart LOL for a start she was doing around 2mph and signalling left - a right turn never factored into anything and wasn't even a potential. Even if that was a dragster I'll draw YOUR attention to the 'give way' markings she ignored. And there is no solid white line at all - and even if there was you are allowed to cross them in an emergency or for an obstruction or very slow moving vehicle or horse. Next?
@nastyevilninja "she was doing around 2mph and signalling left - a right turn never factored" well of course not, she had only started off from the junction she was at, and you wouldnt know if she was going to signal since you were by her damned side just as she had just about finished coming out. of course in an emergency but you had no emergency, becuase you clearly didnt even attempt to slow or stop you reaction was to continue on and overtake
@Mathewmartialart How's she going to turn right if I'm alongside her? Or ahead, by that junction... The emergency was a Nobber pulling out in front of me - I could have executed an emergency stop and risked a collision, or I could accelerate and clear the area safely without affecting any other road users - as I did. The DSA driving test is for the braindead to be able to drive - you need to expand your experience to know when to dominate your road position or when to yeild.
@nastyevilninja i said she could have, you didnt aticepate that she might do, and you made the unsafe move since the road on the right was appracohing, but for you to say how can she turn right when you were overtaking her, thaat wouldnt stand up in court.the DSA is not for the brain dead is there to teach those to drive safely and if you take the approach that its for the brain dead then im assuming you think your above all thats to be taught.
@Mathewmartialart Yes I am. Because I've furthered my learning and not just assumed because I could pass the most basic driving test that I could drive safely! From the moment she ignored the give way, the fact is that she was in the wrong, and from a legal and insurance perspective she was 100% at fault for whatever happened next. I made no unsafe move as I had assessed the situation and evaluated the safest and most appropriate course of action.
@nastyevilninja except the fact you believe you are in the 100% right in what you did and placed the blame totally on the other driver, even thoughwhat you did was wrong in so many ways.
@Mathewmartialart Wrong how? I avoided an idiot successfully without affecting any other road users. It's funny that you'd be saying this, but the Police trained drivers I showed this to immediately afterwards never even hinted that I should have done anything differently?!
@pendulumx Ah ok, that's a fair point. I used my biker brain to assess the situation and the safest escape route. As I passed her I was watching where she went next, so I think I'd have been clear if she had took that turn... Unless she did something REALLY stupid!
Ha, nice. I get that a lot, except we're "not supposed to" pass. People here just pull out, even if they do see you. The theory seems to be, "You have brakes. Use them." To which I say, *facepalm*
@lauriejennifer I think my spidey-senses were tingling on this one - if she'd have pulled out and gone at a reasonable speed I could have slammed the brakes on and stopped fine, but as she almost stopped dead things would have been much closer. I'd already spotted the threat and planned a safe escape route (going around on the clear opposite side of the road) so took the safest option. I think this is riding bikes gets us thinking 5 times faster than your average car driver! :)
you do know if that was your lesson or test, you would have failed becuase you didnt react accordingly. you had plenty of time to stop. yes the other driver was ion the wrong, but you were just the same to react in such a manner.
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart On the driving test, yes, I would have failed. On various pursuit and evasive driving courses it was the safest choice because I cleared the area with the least risk... I probably could have stopped in time, but then it's also worth noting that's a 1993 car with no ABS system and crappy brakes - so on a judgement call in the real world, there was a risk of locking up or not stopping in time - and she did not pick up speed when she pulled out.
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja you are at least 2 car lengths away from the car . now i havent done any advanced driving courses, yet i know since it seems to not be heavy rain and the road seems only to be slightly damp, unless you were not concentrating to notice the car was starting to move,you should have and did have a clear notice for you to slow enough for you to not make such a dramatic overtake.if i could have stopped,im sure you could have,especially when it seems you didnt slow down
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart The road was clear, so I took the safest escape route to clear the situation. *shrugs* If I hadn't been concentrating it may have been a different story.
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja im just saying i did a simlar move when i was on one of my driving lessons and got a bollocking becuase it was highly dangerous and i should have stopped becuase there was plenty of time and space to do so. and if your saying you have had advanced driving, it just surprises me you didnt have the skill to do just that
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart The driving test is exactly that. They don't want to get people actually THINKING and making threat assessments, because most people just don't have that ability. That's where the whole test thing falls down, because fuck-tards like the one who pulled out here managed to pass their test somehow. It's just about learning set reactions and doing things to the letter, and in the real world that doesn't make safe drivers...
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja so your going to tell me that taking your test especially in your experince of an advanced test they dont want you to think about whats abhead and how to react? hard to believe. and you shouldnt and cant place all the blame on that driver since you SHOULD have stopped easily.
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart Why take the risk when the oncoming lane was clear and her blocking my route was the only threat? I cleared the threat with no drama, causing nobody else to brake or adjust their natural path - so job jobbed. More horsepower would have been useful to complete the move more quickly, but that's about it.
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja there is a rigth hand turn literally feet from where this driver is, so you made the wrong move by not knowing if they were going to continue down the road or infact turn into the next road, you made the wrong move by overtaking becuase you felt it was the right move. and becuase of the solid white lines i bring your attention to Overtaking (162-169) of the highway code, which you clearly breached.
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart LOL for a start she was doing around 2mph and signalling left - a right turn never factored into anything and wasn't even a potential. Even if that was a dragster I'll draw YOUR attention to the 'give way' markings she ignored. And there is no solid white line at all - and even if there was you are allowed to cross them in an emergency or for an obstruction or very slow moving vehicle or horse. Next?
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja "she was doing around 2mph and signalling left - a right turn never factored" well of course not, she had only started off from the junction she was at, and you wouldnt know if she was going to signal since you were by her damned side just as she had just about finished coming out. of course in an emergency but you had no emergency, becuase you clearly didnt even attempt to slow or stop you reaction was to continue on and overtake
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart How's she going to turn right if I'm alongside her? Or ahead, by that junction... The emergency was a Nobber pulling out in front of me - I could have executed an emergency stop and risked a collision, or I could accelerate and clear the area safely without affecting any other road users - as I did. The DSA driving test is for the braindead to be able to drive - you need to expand your experience to know when to dominate your road position or when to yeild.
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja i said she could have, you didnt aticepate that she might do, and you made the unsafe move since the road on the right was appracohing, but for you to say how can she turn right when you were overtaking her, thaat wouldnt stand up in court.the DSA is not for the brain dead is there to teach those to drive safely and if you take the approach that its for the brain dead then im assuming you think your above all thats to be taught.
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart Yes I am. Because I've furthered my learning and not just assumed because I could pass the most basic driving test that I could drive safely! From the moment she ignored the give way, the fact is that she was in the wrong, and from a legal and insurance perspective she was 100% at fault for whatever happened next. I made no unsafe move as I had assessed the situation and evaluated the safest and most appropriate course of action.
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja except the fact you believe you are in the 100% right in what you did and placed the blame totally on the other driver, even thoughwhat you did was wrong in so many ways.
Mathewmartialart 3 months ago
@Mathewmartialart Wrong how? I avoided an idiot successfully without affecting any other road users. It's funny that you'd be saying this, but the Police trained drivers I showed this to immediately afterwards never even hinted that I should have done anything differently?!
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
You shouldn't really have overtaken at the junction but I could see myself doing the same thing to be honest
pendulumx 3 months ago
@pendulumx There was no junction - for me, anyway!
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
@nastyevilninja There's a junction on the right which the car could've turned in to which is why they say don't overtake at junctions
pendulumx 3 months ago
@pendulumx Ah ok, that's a fair point. I used my biker brain to assess the situation and the safest escape route. As I passed her I was watching where she went next, so I think I'd have been clear if she had took that turn... Unless she did something REALLY stupid!
nastyevilninja 3 months ago
Ha, nice. I get that a lot, except we're "not supposed to" pass. People here just pull out, even if they do see you. The theory seems to be, "You have brakes. Use them." To which I say, *facepalm*
lauriejennifer 3 months ago
@lauriejennifer I think my spidey-senses were tingling on this one - if she'd have pulled out and gone at a reasonable speed I could have slammed the brakes on and stopped fine, but as she almost stopped dead things would have been much closer. I'd already spotted the threat and planned a safe escape route (going around on the clear opposite side of the road) so took the safest option. I think this is riding bikes gets us thinking 5 times faster than your average car driver! :)
nastyevilninja 3 months ago 2