true, true, true! Join-up, or round-pen trening doesn't do a thing good for a friendly relationship. It's just about dominating and forcing the horse, which in my eyes, isn't a good thing.
well you can't argue with results. so weather I like the system or not he obviously does not abuse his horse and he is getting excelent response from this horse. I would like to see one of the horse being ridden on trails and such.
I'm willing to borrow from any system if I see something that works.
I seek to offer something more than a peer relationship with my horses, in which case we are in agreement. Nature does not exist on an everyone-is-equal basis. But then, perhaps we are closer to the same path than we might imagine.
If you study any of the world's leading equine ethologists, will find that the equine Peer Attachment relationship, (affiliated pairing, nonsexual bonding, pair bond, mutually beneficial coalitions or preferred associates) has nothing to do with what you refer to as a 'peer relationship.'
And everything to do with the deepest possible levels of bonded Intimacy.
By 'realtionship' I mean that I am the herd leader, a concept horses understand from birth. My horses look to me for guidance. If I am not fearful, neither are they - and my horses have never seen me fearful. My clinics always begin at liberty, and when the relationship is correct it doesn't matter where we are. I don't teach tricks or conditioned responses. As a worthy leader I do teach self-confidence and boldness.
Whatever made you think I used punishment as a training tool? Certainly not. My training method is to remove fear by building faith in a worthy leader. The horses I train trust me, and with good reason. Everything I promise I deliver - safety, consistency, and affection. Correction is used to "make perfect", not to punish.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game.
@BaberLynn " Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game."
That is good to hear Lynn. SIncerely, very good.
And Relationship IS 100%. But that 'right relationship' is where it appears we differ. If your 'intent' is a true interspecies bond, then the word 'leader' would never surface. And if your 'training' is done in an open pasture with no whips or 'gadgets,' then we may possibly have something in common.
Relationship is 100%. I believe right relationship is based on leadership. Forcing a horse is coercion, not leadership. I agree that the horse must have the option to not obey. While I don't link training to food rewards, I freely concede that there's no one way to do anything. After decades training stallions, I enjoyed the video of you and your friend.
Lynn Baber, author of "Amazing Grays, Amazing Grace".
@BaberLynn" I believe right relationship is based on leadership."
Though I abhor flying, I was invitational guest speaker at an EAL/ Corporate Leadership organization this past weekend.
One of the things I tried to impress upon the audience is that if they had any desire to share a truly bonded, intimate relationship with their horse, they must eliminate two words from their vocabulary: Leader and Training.
@ChevalTX "How does the white towel your carrying come into play?"
It doesn't. The majority of our teaching is done at feeding time, (some habituation and desensitizing is taught with treats during the day). I use the wash rag to wipe down their mangers, cobwebs, bugs, etc, before putting their feed in it. (Cont.)
(Cont.) We know that stress hormones impede/minimizes learning, and that the horses' primary means of survival is flight. So ALL of our teaching is done in an open area, (such as a pasture). The only reason I even had a 'round pen' was for absolute safety when I held Immediate Intervention Equitherapy programs for severely abused children.
Any horse can learn to'fFree Lead,' etc, before they ever experience ANY form of restriction.
I was wondering can I email you I am doing a 4-H presentation on horse behavior and communication and I'm curious how do you communicate so well with them you are quite the inspiration.
@AppaLoosa25 Thank you! I'm trying very hard to explain to horse owners that they don't need whips or longelines or round pens. In fact, when they use them it makes it very difficult for the horse to be 'the horse they wnat and expect them to be.'
Have your folks email me first at: naturalhorse101@aol.com and I'd be more than happy to help you with your presentation. Chuck & Kids
@HeartofEquus thank you so much can i ask you a quick question i have a horse who chews alot shes highstrung and i just got her not even a year ago do you know any tips she seems like she had quite the hard life before do you know how i can start her?
i have a horse who chews alot shes highstrung and i just got her not even a year ago do you know any tips she seems like she had quite the hard life before do you know how i can start her?
There are countless reasons why she may appear to be 'highstrung.' Go to the website and read the articles. Then email me. I'd be happy to help all that I can.
And that is what is so difficult for some horse owners to understand. They look for gentler methods of 'training' without realizing that WE actually cause the 'problems,' not the horse.
If we first concentrate on Reciprocal trust and understanding and communication BEFORE we 'mount up,' all those 'bad horse problems' disappear, leaving a very happy horse and rider and an extremely harmonious mounted relationship.
@AppaLoosa25 We develop a method of 'talking' to our horse using both our hand and our voice for specific 'request/responses.' Then using positive reinforcement we interact with them in a completely OPEN area where they do not feel forced or restricted. This develops into a level of interspecies friendship and intimacy that needs no talking to be understood. It is neither horse nor human language, but one we both easily understand.
But it starts with learning more about the horse's mental, emotional, instinctual and physical needs. And a desire to 'first do no harm' by teaching our horse we are 'different' from any other human they have ever met. Different because we want more than anything in the world to be their friend. That helps to erase and nullify all the negative experiences they have had with other humans.
It seems to be human nature to want to 'jump on and ride.' But without first establishing the deepest possible levels of Reciprocal communication, understanding and intimacy on the ground leads to all those 'bad horse behavioral problems' we see on Internet lists and forums. When in reality, it is our present day management, care and 'training' that is the cause of all those 'bad horse problems.'
@HeartofEquus i agree i have looked for a method like this for ages because i really just want to be with my horse and make her happy i would love to be able to communicate in a non stressful way with them and i also agree all people want to do is ride they never just do some groundwork or just go brush them or talk to them
Do you offer a transcription of your closing commentary? If so I would love to post as my status on FB. So eloquent! This entire vid is a total reflection of our own journey, which is far from complete, but we are both happy and happier every day. And at the end of the day that is all I want for Prophet, to be happy. By the way, one sure can see the King breeding in 'your' stallion! ("your", like we "own" them or something, what a silly idea):)
@Kulan2010" I am very impressed, he really loves you and its not forced YAY!!! He is choosing to be with you which is so awseome. Goes t show you wha tI try to tell people it takes time, consistancy and patience..."
And the word, (or thought) "leadership' never entered my mind or was used.
true, true, true! Join-up, or round-pen trening doesn't do a thing good for a friendly relationship. It's just about dominating and forcing the horse, which in my eyes, isn't a good thing.
Marixxen2 8 months ago
well you can't argue with results. so weather I like the system or not he obviously does not abuse his horse and he is getting excelent response from this horse. I would like to see one of the horse being ridden on trails and such.
I'm willing to borrow from any system if I see something that works.
123456789mischief 10 months ago
I seek to offer something more than a peer relationship with my horses, in which case we are in agreement. Nature does not exist on an everyone-is-equal basis. But then, perhaps we are closer to the same path than we might imagine.
Blessings.
BaberLynn 10 months ago
@BaberLynn
If you study any of the world's leading equine ethologists, will find that the equine Peer Attachment relationship, (affiliated pairing, nonsexual bonding, pair bond, mutually beneficial coalitions or preferred associates) has nothing to do with what you refer to as a 'peer relationship.'
And everything to do with the deepest possible levels of bonded Intimacy.
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
By 'realtionship' I mean that I am the herd leader, a concept horses understand from birth. My horses look to me for guidance. If I am not fearful, neither are they - and my horses have never seen me fearful. My clinics always begin at liberty, and when the relationship is correct it doesn't matter where we are. I don't teach tricks or conditioned responses. As a worthy leader I do teach self-confidence and boldness.
BaberLynn 10 months ago
@BaberLynn
'Herd Leader' equates to the 'Alpha theory,' which is completely counterproductive to any true interspecies bonding between horse and human.
It also symbolizes the normal hierarchal which is an adversarial relationship that uses pressure, discomfort and physical punishment.
I prefer the Peer Attachment relationship.
And your conception of 'at liberty' and mine are completely different, (unless you hold your 'clinics' in a large 5 to 100 acre pasture).
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
Whatever made you think I used punishment as a training tool? Certainly not. My training method is to remove fear by building faith in a worthy leader. The horses I train trust me, and with good reason. Everything I promise I deliver - safety, consistency, and affection. Correction is used to "make perfect", not to punish.
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game.
Lynn
BaberLynn 10 months ago
@BaberLynn " Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I believe coercion (force) is a lose-lose game."
That is good to hear Lynn. SIncerely, very good.
And Relationship IS 100%. But that 'right relationship' is where it appears we differ. If your 'intent' is a true interspecies bond, then the word 'leader' would never surface. And if your 'training' is done in an open pasture with no whips or 'gadgets,' then we may possibly have something in common.
naturalhorse101 at aol.com
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
"While I don't link training to food rewards,"
If you don't, then there is a huge gap in your 'training.' The effects of Positive Reinforcement are longer lasting than punishment.
"I freely concede that there's no one way to do anything."
Correct, but only as far as 'training' goes.
But then our present day forms of 'training' are completely counterproductive to any true 'oneness' a horse and a human can share.
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
Relationship is 100%. I believe right relationship is based on leadership. Forcing a horse is coercion, not leadership. I agree that the horse must have the option to not obey. While I don't link training to food rewards, I freely concede that there's no one way to do anything. After decades training stallions, I enjoyed the video of you and your friend.
Lynn Baber, author of "Amazing Grays, Amazing Grace".
BaberLynn 10 months ago
@BaberLynn "While I don't link training to food rewards,"
If you don't, then there is a huge gap in your 'training.' The effects of Positive Reinforcement are longer lasting than punishment.
"I freely concede that there's no one way to do anything."
Correct, but only as far as 'training' goes.
But then our present day forms of 'training' are completely counterproductive to any true 'oneness' a horse and a human can share.
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
@BaberLynn" I believe right relationship is based on leadership."
Though I abhor flying, I was invitational guest speaker at an EAL/ Corporate Leadership organization this past weekend.
One of the things I tried to impress upon the audience is that if they had any desire to share a truly bonded, intimate relationship with their horse, they must eliminate two words from their vocabulary: Leader and Training.
HeartofEquus 10 months ago
You're more than welcome! I am SO happy to see people taking the time to stand up for Catwalk and all horses!
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
This is very touching, as well as exceptionally funny. Thank you very much for introducing yourself to me!
greatmistleighfarm 1 year ago
How does the white towel your carrying come into play?
ChevalTX 1 year ago
@ChevalTX "How does the white towel your carrying come into play?"
It doesn't. The majority of our teaching is done at feeding time, (some habituation and desensitizing is taught with treats during the day). I use the wash rag to wipe down their mangers, cobwebs, bugs, etc, before putting their feed in it. (Cont.)
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
(Cont.) We know that stress hormones impede/minimizes learning, and that the horses' primary means of survival is flight. So ALL of our teaching is done in an open area, (such as a pasture). The only reason I even had a 'round pen' was for absolute safety when I held Immediate Intervention Equitherapy programs for severely abused children.
Any horse can learn to'fFree Lead,' etc, before they ever experience ANY form of restriction.
friendship training dot org
/;-)
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
I was wondering can I email you I am doing a 4-H presentation on horse behavior and communication and I'm curious how do you communicate so well with them you are quite the inspiration.
AppaLoosa25 1 year ago 2
@AppaLoosa25 Thank you! I'm trying very hard to explain to horse owners that they don't need whips or longelines or round pens. In fact, when they use them it makes it very difficult for the horse to be 'the horse they wnat and expect them to be.'
Have your folks email me first at: naturalhorse101@aol.com and I'd be more than happy to help you with your presentation. Chuck & Kids
Lady, Able, Sundance, Boss & Combustion
( And Rebel & Nikki )
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@HeartofEquus thank you so much can i ask you a quick question i have a horse who chews alot shes highstrung and i just got her not even a year ago do you know any tips she seems like she had quite the hard life before do you know how i can start her?
AppaLoosa25 1 year ago
@AppaLoosa25 " thank you so much"
You're more than welcome!
"can i ask you a quick question"
Sure!
i have a horse who chews alot shes highstrung and i just got her not even a year ago do you know any tips she seems like she had quite the hard life before do you know how i can start her?
There are countless reasons why she may appear to be 'highstrung.' Go to the website and read the articles. Then email me. I'd be happy to help all that I can.
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@AppaLoosa25
And that is what is so difficult for some horse owners to understand. They look for gentler methods of 'training' without realizing that WE actually cause the 'problems,' not the horse.
If we first concentrate on Reciprocal trust and understanding and communication BEFORE we 'mount up,' all those 'bad horse problems' disappear, leaving a very happy horse and rider and an extremely harmonious mounted relationship.
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@AppaLoosa25 We develop a method of 'talking' to our horse using both our hand and our voice for specific 'request/responses.' Then using positive reinforcement we interact with them in a completely OPEN area where they do not feel forced or restricted. This develops into a level of interspecies friendship and intimacy that needs no talking to be understood. It is neither horse nor human language, but one we both easily understand.
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@AppaLoosa25
But it starts with learning more about the horse's mental, emotional, instinctual and physical needs. And a desire to 'first do no harm' by teaching our horse we are 'different' from any other human they have ever met. Different because we want more than anything in the world to be their friend. That helps to erase and nullify all the negative experiences they have had with other humans.
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@AppaLoosa25
It seems to be human nature to want to 'jump on and ride.' But without first establishing the deepest possible levels of Reciprocal communication, understanding and intimacy on the ground leads to all those 'bad horse behavioral problems' we see on Internet lists and forums. When in reality, it is our present day management, care and 'training' that is the cause of all those 'bad horse problems.'
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@HeartofEquus i agree i have looked for a method like this for ages because i really just want to be with my horse and make her happy i would love to be able to communicate in a non stressful way with them and i also agree all people want to do is ride they never just do some groundwork or just go brush them or talk to them
AppaLoosa25 1 year ago
@Kulan2010" Goes t show you wha tI try to tell people it takes time, consistancy and patience..."
And love. Lots of Love. /;-)
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
Do you offer a transcription of your closing commentary? If so I would love to post as my status on FB. So eloquent! This entire vid is a total reflection of our own journey, which is far from complete, but we are both happy and happier every day. And at the end of the day that is all I want for Prophet, to be happy. By the way, one sure can see the King breeding in 'your' stallion! ("your", like we "own" them or something, what a silly idea):)
myprophet1 1 year ago
@myprophet1" Do you offer a transcription of your closing commentary? If so I would love to post as my status on FB."
Sure! Be happy too! Email me at: naturalhorse101@aol.com
Did you see the
'Horse Hugs and Kisses video' yet?
HeartofEquus 1 year ago
@Kulan2010" I am very impressed, he really loves you and its not forced YAY!!! He is choosing to be with you which is so awseome. Goes t show you wha tI try to tell people it takes time, consistancy and patience..."
And the word, (or thought) "leadership' never entered my mind or was used.
HeartofEquus 1 year ago