What do you think of 'show dogs'?

[bububububak]

the documentary was not about people not loving pedigree dogs( it was the other way round to be exact) but it was about BREEDERS who do tis for living and only care about the profit... and they DO exist and there is enough of them to be concerned....

[koala8]

i think we should slowly breed the domestic dog back with the dingos and the wolves and release them all back into the wild, give them back their natural independence

[bububububak]

@koala8 and how do you think it could be done? it's utopia...

[59newt]

Your Daschound is extremely cute, but the breeder who bred him took no account of the back and leg problems, along with the paun and dysfunction they will cause. When your dog is in so much pain and has such grave disability that you have no choice but to euthanize him, your love of the breeder will wane. Sorry but it's true.

[MidnightMetro]

The documentary wasn't an attack against owners.

You wouldn't scold a child for doing something wrong when they aren't aware what they're doing is wrong.

It was made as a way to open owners and breeders eyes to the reasons WHY their beloved pets are sicker than their predecessors.

[KIBAfang90]

I would think no matter what you would love your dog. :) But some of the dogs have been bred so far off of what they are used for. :( That weimaraner. Anyways liberty the weimaraner says hi!

[lforsdyke]

most of the dogs are loved, but theres the odd bellend doing everything, i bred a litter litter of boxers a couple years ago, ridiculous amount of helth check's, home visits, and a lot of homes were refused pups coz i didnt trust the people, oh and none of em lost theyre tails coz its twisted cutting em off, so the one we kept would probably be worst in show coz hes natural. i dont dissagree with showing dogs but i do dissagree with some rules in the show standards.

[beaucerdog]

I don't understand what you're getting at here.

[corvaxxx]

Are your dogs health tested? Are they temperament tested? Are you aware of the health problems in double merle dogs and ensuring that your dachshund doesn't produce double merle litters? A lot more than just giving a dog personal attention goes into being a responsible breeder, cute pictures don't prove anything other than that you appear to treat your dogs kindly which is fantastic but says nothing about whether or not your dog should reproduce.

[loserella55]

Your dogs look lovely and are obviously well-cared for. The problem is not with breeders who are responsible and try to improve the breed: It's with the system that doesn't make sure the breeds are actually being made better and healthier, and bad breeders who only think about trophies and good looks in their animals.

[ANNODAM1968]

Should be BANNED!

[Denise3942]

I show Dalmatians and i wouldn't for the life of me harm them for losing! They get praise win or lose and every evening after a show(unleast its a two day show) they go the lake and get wet, dirty and rewarded for there performance!

I don't knopw about everyone else but my dogs are family, not machines!.

from

denise nd the dallies.xx

[AmberFaithChloe]

We show our dogs but not often. I witnessed many show dogs here in Malaysia are just treated as trophies. They are in their crates for the whole day except when they have to be in the ring. After they are shown win or not, they get chucked back in their crates with hardly water, food, not even a praise or a pat for doing well. Long haired breeds are not allowed to relief themselves for 12 whole hours. All their owners/handlers care if for them to win & win & win. That's all. It's a really sight.

[Denise3942]

Thats really sad:(:(

[AmberFaithChloe]

The dogs are forced to stand on the tables for hours. Some of the handlers bully their own dogs by grabbing it to scare it. I pity for that Husky. And surprisingly, not one we owner we saw picking up after their dogs. It was only us. So they may have good quality dogs but does they're not responsible owners are they? I was quite upset to see the show dog world & I feel extremely sad for all the dogs. I think the life of a show dog is not very exciting. Some of them just can't be REAL dogs.

[miaiscool2]

I personaly show dogs and we don't harm them in any way we care for them more than enything else in the world( I would kill myself for my dogs) when we breed we try to help inprove the breed standard.people who show in ukc need help they show dogs that are unhealthy and breed for no reason we shold stop them.we want them to be happy if i knew one of my dogs didn't want to show or wasn't having fun i would stop showing them and i would let them injoy something else that they want to do

[crakbook]

Anyone who can't see what the breeders are doing is fucked needs to examine themselves, and please stay indoors.

[foltano]

Agree with this.

[calc1987]

The scientific facts are speaking for themselves. People are choosing to ignore the genetic deformities that will eventually lead to the extinction of what was a healthy species. This is completely cosmetic. I own a shepherd who came from a responsible breeder but it is RARE - oh and by the way your choice of song doesnt help the stereotype : "i will try to fix you?" im sorry but dogs would be oh so much happier if they were the opposite of the kennel standard: healthy and sound.

[calc1987]

If you are a breeder and your goal is to help the animals you have control over then i commend you and thank you. If you know your animal is flawed take good care of him, but do not let him pass his genes onward.

[budavet26]

Thank you! people seem to have difficulty understanding that the 'breed standard' listed by the kennel club,the whole apperance that breeders are trying to achieve is the problem.This is creating weak and flawed dogs.

[calc1987]

Exactly. There seem to be a lot of defensive videos out there from owners and breeders about how much they love their dogs in spite of being purebred or inbred. That's fantastic and not the issue of that film. I have a GSD who is purebred of a good breeder and she is the exact opposite of the standard - but then that's what she breeds for - straight backs instead of sloped spine, hip soundness and a heart of gold. I don't understand this cosmetic obsession - its like beauty pagents for kids.

[budavet26]

It is just that, an obession. People are overlooking the pain and suffering that they are causing, all for the sake of a 'cute' dog.Only education can change that, but very few are willing to that as they already assume they know it all.

[budavet26]

They are the head of the sole organisation that governs dog breeding, if they are not respected, then owners and breeders alike should have a say in who is their figure head is. Responsible owners appear to be in the minority, that is what needs to change.

[randomdemon]

The clips were severely edited and all the talk about the hard work and responsible things people are doing to counteract the bad was cut as this does not make sensationalist tv.

And yes, I wholeheartedly agree that all people should only breed responsibly but when will that happen? What about the puppy farms and people who breed to line their pockets? They are the ones doing more damage than anyone else.

[budavet26]

The brain size does not change, just the cavity in which it it fits. You tried getting into a pair of jeans that just come out of the dryer? Imagine squeezing a brain into that everyday. Just a thought.

[budavet26]

This is not an argument for people to having between themselves. My thoughts are that if breeders can put their hands on their hearts and say that truly believe that dogs are better off, look better, perform better and lead happier, longer and healthier lives than before then ... that is up to you. But I urge people to consider the facts. You saw that documentary, did you really look at the conformational changes in JUST the skulls of some of those breeds?

[budavet26]

Responsible breeding? Was that not the HEAD of the Kennel Club and some of the 'most respected breeders' with regard different breeds that were interviewed? I take it that you do not believe that they are responsible breeders then. It is not a discussion of 'healthy breeds' or not, the issue is that dogs that have confirmed genetic problems and physical problems are being breed from.What that programme was trying to hi light was that people who are in positions of responsibility

[randomdemon]

No they were not the 'most regarded breeders' at all. This is what the programme led you to believe. A responsible breeder would never breed from a defective dog, a dog with health problem or cull any healthy puppies and people who do are in the vast minority.

[budavet26]

This was not about dog breeders not 'loving' their dogs, but being naive in the fact that what they deem ' correct' is actually causing the dogs pain and suffering. And for what exactly, because you think that they look 'cute'. Dogs have been interbreed for aesthetic purposes, and not for the betterment of the breed. They look the way they do because YOU want them to. Not because that is what is the best for them. Would you do that to another human being? So why do it to a helpless animal.

[randomdemon]

Clearly by stating this comment you have no IDEA what goes on in the world of RESPONSIBLE breeding! The programme did exactly as it intended to do, which was to brainwash those who didn't know any better.

Out of interest, what breed would you class as a healthy breed?

[budavet26]

are overlooking potential fatal genetic conditions, because the dog looks aesthetically 'perfect' on the outside.

Every breed has its faults, the point is not to exacerbate them by inbreeding and overlooking them. And for your information, my family breed winning Rhodesian Ridgebacks for nearly 20 years, along with the top breeding Connemara's for over 20years. I am now a Vet, I would consider myself qualified enough to be able to give some kind of an educated response on this topic.

[KIBAfang90]

I wouldnt say that to her as if she is the one that has caused all the pain that the bad breeders have. I bet if her daschund turned up with a hereditary disease she wouldnt breed him, and would work on breeding her healthier dogs.

[supercrazyandy]

i only just read about all this kerfuffle .I'm living in Japan and the whole cute and bag-sized miniature pet dog industry is way out of control.Over-breeding leads to thousands of unsold puppies being put to death every month.

[Jefrma]

there´s ´love´ and then there´s ´blind love´. For example the so called best dressagerider, anky with her rollkür.. she claimes she loves her horses, but her training methods look disgusting and I would never do to my horse what she does to them. What she says to her defence? "well it gave me enough advantage over the others" yeah and her fans remind of the medals.. but HOW were those wins achieved? :(

[marginallymental]

Wow! I went looking for vids of otterhounds and wolfhounds and stumbled on a British controversy! In America, the dog show world (and the nefarious breeders behind it) remain a mystery for most people. Instead, there's been a HUGE push for to adopt an animal from a shelter. Most (not all) people who buy pricey breeds are seen as effete. The mongrel, eye patch and whip tail, ears flopped over his face,is an American icon, showing up 80 years ago in Our Gang shorts and still with us today.

[Copperbat]

Your dogs are absolutely gorgeous and obviously loved as family.

It's been my experience that people who adopt purebred dogs from responsible breeders tend to be the most conscientious and responsible pet owners. Someone who takes the time to research, investigate, and endure the adoption process is more likely to be a better owner. Yes, we've all met those "dog show people" who have lost touch with the meaning and point of finishing/breeding exceptional dogs... but they are rare!

[Copperbat]

As far as the genetic "unsoundness" that crops up in purebreds, that's pure fail on the part of certain breeders who develop a too-specific taste for type and select prospective mates from a narrow line. It's always a bad thing when careless breeders push type extremes in the name of fashion instead of recognizing ideal type is more about overall balance than matching one or two conformation ideals. Nature strives for balance - that's why judges should be more mindful of balance and vitality!

[msretardpolice]

The video was not against 'show dogs,' just the standards and inbreeding that lead them to be that way. No way was it said that purebreds are 'unloved.' They are however bred to poorer health with each inbred generation.

I have a beagle and golden retriever. Both suffer from genetic conditions. my mixed dog is healthier because of not being inbred like most show dogs. Perhaps one should watch the video before responding?

[randomdemon]

Oh but I did watch the video. It made out that breeders and those who are involved in the show world used their dogs as a tool with no emotional attachment.

[Copperbat]

Mongrels are not healthier than purebreds. That is a myth. The statistics of "genetic diseases" are really only recorded by vets and breeders. Most unsoundness that occurs in purebreds comes from pushing extreme type, disregarding genetic factoring, etc. Basically idiots breeding dogs when they know nothing about how biology works. Guess what? Those same undesirable qualities occur when dogs with similar propensities cross. Crossing, or "making mongrels" does not eliminate genetic conditions.

[DeNovoApollyon]

"Mongrels are not healthier than purebreds. "

They show lower rates of genetic disease.

"Crossing, or "making mongrels" does not eliminate genetic conditions. "

In a single generation, no. The problem has resulted in breeding dogs with high levels of relation coefficients for a number of generations. This has reduced the genetic diversity of the breeds!

The pedigree dog system is flawed, fundamentally. You would have to be an idiot not to see this.

[Copperbat]

Yes, agreed. But, all "systems" are flawed. Any time you devise a system to control an outcome, you'll create problems. That's how things work. Overall, I debate the long held notion that purebred dogs are substantially less genetically sound than mongrels simply because they are pure bred. Non-purebred dogs are not, by virtue of lacking pedigrees, automatically genetically healthier than purebreds. Alternatively, allowing haphazard breeding is just as irresponsible as inbreeding.

[DeNovoApollyon]

"all "systems" are flawed."

There does not need to be a system which attributes value to a dog's lineage.

"I debate the long held notion that purebred dogs are substantially less genetically sound"

Of course it is, it is the "pure bred" part which has resulted in the problems!

Restricting genetic diversity in a population is dangerous, very dangerous!

Sexual reproduction evolved to gain genetic variation, why are we now preventing it for a species by forcing close mating!

[Denise3942]

Breeder should pay, not dog shows!!!

i have one show dog and i will have another next year!! its the breeder not the shows!!

xox

please, only breed for health and sound temperment!!

[beagleboy26]

I loved this video

[amambient1986]

my dog is a pedigree dog and i'm planning on showing him and prolly breeding too. BUT i think that people who just breed dogs and go to shows with them are not dog people at all. they just need some gratification. we do agility and obidience training with my dog, and the showing etc come waaay behind. not necissary, i think. and my dog is a pure breed poodle. i would never buy certain breeds because of all the inbreeding and health issues. for example the weird small dog shown on the video.

[xXxAshley24xXx]

Majority of show people breed dogs sensibly and deserve same respect as other dog owners. Currently there has been testing of miniature smooth dachshunds for PRA to try to eliminate the condition whilst maintaining a high level of health within the breed. A breeder will keep healthy dogs to breed from in the future. Breeding from your dog!!! Not a good idea as breeders carefully plan to determine the best mating and it sounds like you don't have enough knowledge about breeding to do this.

[CraigDirty]

Hey that "wierd small dog" just happens to be a lovable Daschund. They are good dogs too! Anyways, breeding is unhealthy and pointless anyways. I get ALL my dogs from the Humaine Society. They are all very healthy and live a looong time.

[davidcavill]

Good stuff - well done and thank you. Take no notice of Dorothy. Lovely lady though she undoubtably is, she is obsessed with the figures that the KC (who collected them) says should be treated with caustion on the basis that the responses would have been largely received from those who were affected

[abluechipstock]

i have show dogs and i love everyone of them, i do breed occasionally, you'll never see one of my dogs in a puppy mill or a shelter

[sitradino]

Some showdogs are oke, but some breeding standards are wrong, like the german sheppard. The original had a straight back, not like the showdogs now. The showdogs can't hardly walk and thats wrong. This breed and other breeds are in danger if the standards are not being changed. Afcourse there are breeders who are allright and love their dogs, but there are some who only see dollar signs. Some breeders are breeding with sick dogs and passes the illnesses. That's wrong. Think about that.

[nabihaharabians]

The main man behind the German shepherd those hundred odd years ago, had a vision of 'his' perfect dog. That was a shepherd with a sloping croup, which then allows the hind quarters to be over angulated so it can run all day without tiring. Unfortunately he died before it came to fruition. Yes the shepherd had a straight top line- we even owned one but it was not what was planned.

[kataishibas2]

That show was complely biased. It was made for an audience that already believes breeding dogs is evil.

It was disgusting propaganda.

[dorothysdog]

That Dachshund is a dwarf mutant and a merle mutant.

In the KC's own survey 47% of Weimaraners were affected by a health condition.

You do the maths!

[vinya12]

My dog is a show dog. But first off she is a pet and a friend. I do think we need change in some breeds to give them a better life. But it's not right to make people think all show dogs are miss treated. Only 1 in every 1000 people put showing before health, and if I ever meet that 1 I will be having words . Nice video :)

[promisecleandotcom]

Well said.  Thanks

[kellogscornsnake]

granted you are nice to the dogs, but ther are those who arent,

i personnally prefer work bred ones

[p0pular54]

Great video! Anybody that's owned a Weim knows there's no way to own one and not look at them as a member of the family!