Trask, what a professional victim, all these assholes do is bitch about the evil haole and then stick their hand out. They’ve never fought for their owner queens land and never will. Get this sorry ass island of whiners off of the fed tit and out of the US.
Greed? I’m not the one sponging off the government. I work for a company that competes on the global market and wins. It does this while it and I pay the taxes so that fools like her can sit on their ass and bitch and whine. Hawaii has no industry and imports everything including 90% of their food. They are a parasite on this country and the sooner the US cuts them loose the better.
And by inbred do you mean like the Hawaiian Aliʻi? What a fucking clueless twit.
In response to this, nonwhites have been mainly defensive. At this point I have exhausted my feedback on this page. Ironically, none of the posts reflected the topic in the video. For those who stumble upon this page, I suggest checking out the past posts. You may find them interesting. Anyway. Aloha. Ano ai.
Also in her book, again I paraphrase since I can't find the quote, Trask I think said that nonwhites peoples have never committed violence. If so this is wrong. Examples: Native American intertribal warfare, Imperial Japan's violence against the Chinese/the Koreans, even pre1778 Hawaiians w/ at least periodic warfare. But for the about the last 700 yrs white racism/ violence has been on a worldwide "offensive" first w/ European colonialism & later w/ U.S. imperialism.
In Trask' book, From a Native Daughter, I think she said that U.S. whites share in the blame in the continuing occupation of Hawai'i. I'm paraphrasing her since as yet I can't find the quote. If so, she's right & wrong. Whites w/ institutional power have no doubt contributed. Common whites w/o that power have done less so or not at all. Regardless racial supremacy have "endowed" whites w/ social status based on skin color, e.g.
is characterized by verbal violence. I emphasize the word verbal. To compare, we have had actual violence repeatedly committed in the name of U.S. imperial interests w/ massive deaths of local/indigenous populations worldwide. Then we have this poem. Do I really have to say which is worse?
Racist White Woman: In the early 1990s Haunani Trask came out with a poem called Racist White Woman. Of course there were responses. In UH's Ka Leo, e.g., a cartoon was published showing Trask as a psychotic stalker of a white woman while chanting verses of her poem. I recently saw it & it wasn't as bad as I thought, previously thinking it contained a racist slur against Trask. But despite the attempted satire, ANYONE would be offended if they were described this way. The poem itself...
@Radetzky I'm obviously not THE spokesperson or "puppetmaster." Others involved know more than I do. It's easy/convenient for its detractors to dismiss it coming from the status quo. They insidiously expect perfection & obviously that's not gonna happen, being that humans are imperfect. If you still can't understand all that's been said here, I can't help you buddy. But to rieterate: Hawaiian sovereignty isn't going away.
@Radetzky I would add the scenario of nonHawaiians probably inevitably having some participation in gov. I wouldn't doubt that there would be the promoting of equality. But Hawaiians have led the way in various struggles incidentally because they've been the ones most affected. The UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights clearly states that indigenous peoples have rights that include holding power in a Native gov. I've provided my take on Hawaiian sovereignty....
I'll add that Carter's equation of haole & "nigger" are not accurate. For haole, see my previous posts. Contrary to the use of the term haole, "nigger" was used as a way to impose racial supremacy, to dehumanize slaves in the early U.S., to justify treating them as property. The whole "Carter" incident launched a controversy, but in the end UH's Dean of Students Tom Gething said "I have found no evidence that Dr. Trask, who has never met or spoken with Mr. Carter, discriminated against him..."
This is true, although class & gender have also played a part. Class especially, given that most are regular people trying to get by, regardless of race. She said that Carter will always be haole. Well, it's not expected that he'll morph into an African princess or a martian. She added he should leave. It was his right to stay, but if he was continuing to have problems, maybe he should have left.
The Joey Carter incident: In 1990 a white student, newly arrived in Hawai'i from Louisiana had a letter published in UH's newspaper Ka Leo. Briefly: He articulately provided his take on racial matters, e.g., the use of the word haole. He resented its use, e.g., the term "haoledominated" & equated it w/ the term "nigger." Among the responses was one by Haunani Trask. She basically said that "haoles" have been privileged in inheriting a society forged, eg., by racial domination.
@revolution123ize Ok, I'll ask a 4th time since you are obviously a numbnut. Maybe you can get it right this time? I did not ask you about the Carter situation and how the term haloe is used... I asked you the main objectives of the hawaii sovereignty movement. If you cannot do that then it is a complete joke....
@Radetzky19 Still craving attention? My info of the Carter incident & the term haole wasn't addressed to you, shit-for-brains. Main objectives? You've already decided for yourself what they are: a scenario of a vast racist conspiracy w/ "uneducated" & "drug induced" Hawaiians bent on, in Trask's case anyway, deportation & ethnic cleansing; & incompetence. Check your posts. Still don't get why I'm not taking you seriously? Lose the closemindedness & proto-racism. If not, then you are a joke.
@Radetzky19 Still craving attention? My info of the Carter incident & the term haole wasn't addressed to you, shit-for-brains. Main objectives? You've already decided for yourself what they are: a scenario of a vast racist conspiracy w/ "uneducated" & "drug induced" Hawaiians bent on, in Trask's case anyway, deportation & ethnic cleansing; & incompetence. Check your posts. Still don't get why I'm not taking you seriously? Lose the closemindedness & proto-racism. If not, then you are a joke.
@revolution123ize LOL Why are you stalling? is it because you are all talk? I repeatedly asked you a question to which I will respond in a more professional manner but you seem to not care. I'm starting to think you do not know the consensus or main objectives at all... so I'll rephrase the question I know have asked five times. What do you hope is to be achieved for Hawaii? What does the movement mean to you and what do you hope it accomplished? It's funny how you stall.
@Radetzky19 LOL. I've already proven I'm not all talk via the Trask argument. Thus your switching to another topic. All talk? You should know better than that. Tell you what. Since you showed a glimmer of civility, here's my take on the goals of the sovereignty movement: It's also known as selfdetermination. I think the terms are used interchangably, but Mililani Trask, e.g., would know better than I. I would also call it a recovery process from obvious past injustices...
@Radetzky19 most notably, the illegal overthrow that precisely stole away Hawaiians' governing powers that were rightly based on them being a "first nation," i.e., indigenous rights that were established over generations in Hawai'i to form their version of a civilization. Plus, this nation was recognized internationally, e.g., in the 1890s at the time of the overthrow. The gov. didn't contain just Hawaiians however. There were, e.g., whites.
@Radetzky19 But some of them over time eroded Native governing powers based on racism, classism, & profiteering. Hawaiians were "unfit for selfgov." even though they governed their native lands for centuries. Their culture, language & very identity were viewed as "savage." Naturally, many Hawaiians today are angry about this but determined. Thus the sovereignty movement. I see it & support it as a way to in some degree "take back their nation," i.e., ...
@revolution123ize. (#3). In each house of Parliament. House of Nobels and House of Representives. The nation of Hawaii was not run by race. It was run by law. Everyone was equal in society. Unlike America, everyone was divided. In Hawaii, anyone regardless of their race, was an equal with equal rights. That the Spirit of Aloha.
@Radetzky19 forging an entity w/ some degree of economic, political & governing powers based on not only the very indigenous rights that were long there before 1778, but especially on recovery from the very inequality, racism & profiteering that stole them in the first place. I'll give another example: Rome occupied Britainnia. Did the natives remain forever occupied? No. They fought back eventually reestablishing their indigenous rights. In the process was there anger? Of course.
@revolution123ize. (#2) to the people of Hawaii entirly in terms of psychology. You see, everyone, regardless of their race, that live in Hawaii, have something in common with the soverignity movement: They've been brainwashed and indoctranated. So we all have something in common. Also, the national government of Hawaii did contain Hawaiians. Because Hawaiian is define as a nationality and not by race. If you mean by Native Hawaiians, they're were actually plenty of them in government!
@Radetzky19 Rome during its occupation probably didn't see the natives as selfgoverning, calling them barbarians. Let's just say the natives had their version of a sovereignty movement at one point facing major odds. But they preservered. Of course these examples aren't exactly the same. But they have fundamental similarities. Hawaiian sovereignty, while a continuing struggle, like it or not, won't go away. The U.S. to not properly address it I find almost criminal. That's my take guy.
@Radetzky19 I'm doubting that a Hawaiian selfgovernment will TOTALLY take over the whole islands, especially Oahu. I think its main body could be situated on one of the neighboring islands, e.g., the Big Island. There could be various branches throughout the islands w/ lands that have already been ceded to Native Hawaiians to begin with. NonHawaiians would inevitably be included as participants. As a U.S. citizen myself, I would still favor a model...
@Radetzky19 based on Hawaiians having some degree of indigenous power. What does this mean? Hawaiians having basic control over their own government. I've already mentioned the reasons for this. Especially given their small #s, I would think this would be even more crucial. If not, they would be inevitably eclipsed from power & thus it would be business as usual. Thus no proper redress of, e.g., the overthrow. The crime is allowed to continue...
@Radetzky19 There are other examples of sovereignty operating in the U.S. w/ Native American tribes. Their #s are small (due to past genocidal campaigns) compared w/ the total U.S. population & yet they have indigenous control of their govs, e.g., where I live-the Pequots & the Mohegans. I've heard of no complaints. The U.S. gov could properly redress the Hawaiian situation in a similar way, e.g., nation-w/in-a-nation. But Hawaiians are continuing to sort out a model...
@Radetzky19 & it's mainly their decision, again based on reasons I've mentioned. Another example, but unrelated: Affirmative Action as a redress of past inequalities giving African Americans a more level playing field. I also mention this based on the U.S. founders instituting a white quota system of property ownership, race, class & gender, despite whatever degree of democracy. There has to be a proper redress of sovereignty. If not, it could get worse & Hawaiians won't take it lying down.
@revolution123ize. (#1) Actually, the soverignity movement's goal is to have Hawaii an independent nation again, but little do they know that Hawaii is actually an independent nation presently. The government is just in exile right now. But some people are now getting that message. And to me, of the way the soverignity movement is wanting "independence" for Hawaii. Or the actual word is "restoration" in this case, their doing it, to me, the wrong way. I wonder if they realize of what has happen
@UniteHawaii The gov. is in exile: Interesting way of putting it. As you must know, Queen Liliuokalani never relinquished Hawaiian sovereignty, only yielded temporarily under force, looking to see that justice would eventually prevail. She was right...temporarily. U.S. Democratic president Grover Cleveland, after studying the Blount report, had the balls to admit that the overthrow was illegal, calling it "an act of war." Further he concluded that Liliuokalani be restored, & thus the nation.
@revolution123ize. #1. Yes, I do know about that. Her Majesty did not surrender Hawaii. She yielded Her authority and transfered it to the U.S. President to undo what their U.S. Ambassador had done. And, yeah, when President Cleveland came into power, he launched an invistigation and concluded that because the U.S. Ambassador conspired against a foreign nation, not to mention used military force to aid Hawaiian citizens who commited treason. (BTW, Hawaiian is a nationality), it was an Act of War
@UniteHawaii Unfortunately, Cleveland wasn't reelected. A Republican, Mckinley, being elected, apparently scrapped the decision, favoring annexation & in turn imperialism. I know that the Hawaiian gov. mainly contained Hawaiians,as alluded to in a previous post. It makes sense, being that they were governing as indigenous people long before 1778.
@revolution123ize. (#2) Yes. He did ordered Her Majesty and Her government to be restored. They made a treaty in 1897 called the "Cleavland-Liliuokalani Exective Agreements," which requires the U.S. President and their sucessors in office to administer Hawaiian Kingdom Law and to restore the government. Those agreements are still active to this present day! But, yeah, when President Mckinley came into power, he denied it existed!
The Joey Carter incident: In 1990 a white student, newly arrived in Hawai'i from Louisiana had a letter published in UH's newspaper Ka Leo. Briefly: He articulately provided his take on racial matters, e.g., the use of the word haole. He resented its use, e.g., the term "haoledominated" & equated it w/ the term "nigger." Among the responses was one by Haunani Trask. She basically said that "haoles" have been privileged in inheriting a society forged, eg., by racial domination.
@Radetzky19 BTW, arrogant shit, DO NOT try to intimidate someone else who's posting, e.g., UniteHawaii. How ironic, this may result in a haole calling a haole a fucking haole.
Another thing re. the term haole: David Stannard,a haole, & Trask's partner, in an interview w/ Honolulu mag (1989) said: "This sensitivity to the word haole is of very recent vintage-it's a response to Hawaiian cultural assertiveness. What's going on is classic: white people are happy to define others, but outraged at having other people define them."
@revolution123ize Again, I;m going to ask you a third time..... What is the general consensus of the Sovereignty movement.... what is the main objective? Tell me this and I will respond in the most sane way possible that is fair. But now I feel like you can;t answer my question because there is no main objective or framework to the sovereignty movement...I'm speculating but just answer the question now
@Radetzky19 Again, I mentioned the tendencies in the movement; the disagreements, etc. It's a struggle in the process of trying to forge an eventual official model. There are different models. I've mentioned one. Re. main objective, you appear to have attempted unintentionally to answer your own question. But given your previous posts, why take you seriously? You still haven't shown a quote from Trask supporting ethnic cleansing (see earlier post). Again, why take you seriously?
In itself, it has been used strictly based on color itself in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily. But not neccessarily based on racism when there's no myths of racial supremacy involved.
Is the user, e.g., a Native Hawaiian, expressing a show of racial supremacy based on his/her skin color & culture? I've never heard Hawaiians express it in this way. Rather, it usually expresses an anger FOCUSED ON past & present injustices. Of course, Haunani Trask has used it derogatorily sometimes. But she's never said or implied that she's superior to others based on her color/culture (based on what I've seen & heard).
Re. the term haole: I've heard that it originally meant foreigner &/or "no breath." So, it can describe whites, but nonwhites a well. Perhaps it became associated w/ whites because of the historical racial dominance/influence of that group in Hawai'i over the last 100 yrs or so. I've heard it being used in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily, regardless of race. But when used in a derogatory manner, does that neccessarily constitute racism?
Re. the term haole: I've heard that it originally meant foreigner &/or "no breath." So, it can describe whites, but nonwhites a well. Perhaps it became associated w/ whites because of the historical racial dominance/influence of that group in Hawai'i over the last 100 yrs or so. I've heard it being used in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily, regardless of race. But when used in a derogatory manner, does that neccessarily constitute racism?
@revolution123ize you mate suffer from an"asshole and asslicker"complex.
If all the whites left Hawaii,you lot would soon burn ugly old bitches like this one when you aint got no cars,food and nice lifestyle provided by the white man.
Clearly this fug ugly old moggy aint getting no dick and she is probably cruising the uni campus using her position to lick pussy.all her breed is good for is moaning and dancing like idiots with coconuts on their tits,while white folk changed the world!.Fact!
@rockcityaudio Next you'll be calling me a race traitor. Rants of a Nazi? If only your verbal barbarism was a sick joke. Re: Barbarism-e.g., The Romans called those in occupied provinces in Northern Europe barbarians, similar to your "sermon" about Hawaiians, e.g., Northern European women "getting fucked" and "tending the hut." You know, (do you?), Romans bringing "civilization" to them? Being an asslicker for myths of Aryan "supremacy," I don't expect you to learn from history.
@revolution123ize she is a nutcase She calls for the removal of all those who are not hawaiian from hawaii. If she wants this, she is no better than the American colonizer by violating the rights of ppl who were born and raised on the island and were exiled only because they did not belong to a certain ethnic group. She is such a poor excuse of an academic and need to let go of that hate. Does her ethnic cleansing scheme even apply to those who are half hawaiian? She not full even hawaiian
@Radetzky19 Sometimes a "firebrand," but above all, Trask has directly spoke of truths that U.S. status quo would prefer to ignore. Being formerly of the soverignty movement, I've never heard her say she favors "exiling" other groups. Besides, it's impossible. Her anger is reflective of being part of an ethnic group that has been overwhelmed overall since 1778. A population of 800,000 now down to 5,000 pure Hawaiians, & many part; sounds like ethnic cleansing. The anger is justified overall.
@revolution123ize lol I'm not a firebrand, this woman genuinely said all other ethnic groups should leave hawaii. Yeah, it doesnt make sense because she is a crazy hatemonger. LOL!! So her anger is justified to the point of exporting all other races because of the terrible things americans did? I dont agree with what the Americans did but she is extreme. Two wrongs dont make a right. She sounds like the Texans who are constantly in fear that the whites are being overrun by hispanics. racist
@Radetzky19 Again, Trask is sometimes a "firebrand," sometimes rhetorical. But she has, along w/ other Hawaiians, brought out truths that cannot be denied. The anger is justified, & human, regarding the illegal overthrow, racist threats to language, culture, identity itself. Again, I've never heard her say that about other groups. ONE wrong doesn't make a right. The Trask/Texan comparison isn't really accurate: Whites invaded that part of Mexico, stealing it. Hawaiians haven't invaded.
@revolution123ize Ok so you agree that all non Hawaiians hall be exported? That's a UN violation of human rights by the way and if anything that would undermine Hawaiian security and sovereignty even more. It's funny how she does not understand hawaiians are also dying out naturally by falling in love with ppl of other races and thus their children becoming "mixed". That is their choice.
@Radetzky19 Researched your claim; found nothing. No quotes, no implications. Even her detractors don't mention it (from what I saw). I checked her book, From a Native Daughter: Nothing. She was a member of Ka Lahui Hawai'i, which proposed a nation-within-a-nation model, i.e, a Hawaiian nation w/in a U.S. nation, an obvious indication of not favoring exiling; plus, Ka Lahui accepted nonHawaiian members. So, you think you know UN law, eh? Her & her sister Mililani have studied it. (Cont.)
@Radetzky19 Studied it, especially re. indigenous rights. And don't put words in my mouth, like you're doing w/ Trask. She's not exempt from criticism, but her fervent detractors seem obsessed w/ pure demonization, e.g., your "ethnicity" & "antiwhite" claims. I would think that having a "haole" partner would show she isn't racist. Plus, she's worked w/ & quoted haole sources. Not pure Hawaiian? Are you implying that only pure Hawaiians be involved? No part, no nonHawaiians? Exiling?
@Radetzky19 Studied it, especially re. indigenous rights. And don't put words in my mouth, like you're doing w/ Trask. She's not exempt from criticism, but her fervent detractors seem obsessed w/ pure demonization, e.g., your "ethnicity" & "antiwhite" claims. I would think that having a "haole" partner would show she isn't racist. Plus, she's worked w/ & quoted haole sources. Not pure Hawaiian? Are you implying that only pure Hawaiians be involved? No part, no nonHawaiians? Exiling?
@Radetzky19 Re. mixing: diseases ravaged the Hawaiian population, no immunity. Perhaps because of that, & their level of culture shock, their aloha, they mixed, perhaps to keep some degree of their ethnicity alive in future generations. But you'll have none of that, will you? Similar to some haole historians, e.g., there's a nonchalant, lament of a group, inevitably doomed to "extintion." From that, a defeatist lament of the futility of soverignty itself? If so, that's racist. Some choice.
@revolution123ize LOL you are a fucktard. I do not wish for the hawaiians to go extinct you asshole. You are putting words into my mouth. How can Trask herself properly represent the hawaiian community trying to preserve hawaiian ethnic group when hawaiians themselves are choosing to mix with ppl of other nationalities and thus having offspring of different races? What she wants is impossible.
@Radetzky19 Asswipe, I didn't say you wished it. But you displayed an "Oh well" attitude about it. Are you putting words into her mouth implying she wants ethnic purity as a condition for being Hawaiian? Understand, dipshit, this is a question. Obviously, individual choice is a factor regarding mixing. However, it's inevitably connected to collective, social conditions that just as much molds a person. Thus, w/ Hawaiians w/ their particular, historical conditions. (Contd)
@Radetzky19 I actually hope that the pure Hawaiian population can increase, & w/ part Hawaiians establish a sovereign model w/ nonHawaiian participation. Do you favor something like this? Again, dipshit, this is a question. Instead of wasting your time w/ obsessive demonizing & nonchalant laments, perhaps you could provide some positives regarding the Hawaiian sovereignty movement? Again, a question.
@revolution123ize LOL that's not an easy question to answer especially since there has to be an objective outlook on who is considered Hawaiian... just the pure Hawaiians? how about 3/4 hawaiian? What kind of sovereignty framework would it be? If it is too much against the status quo noone is going to go for it. And just the fact that you do not see Trask as an angry, nonsensical, hardlined ethnic nationalist really shows your irrationality.
@Radetzky19 Of course it's not easy to answer. It's a struggle going against the current of a currently strong status quo. There are tendencies, models. W/ nonHawaiian involvement, e.g., the question of Hawaiian % may or may not be an issue. There are disagreements, conflicts, as w/ any movement. Despite the odds, they will go on; a part of human struggle. Your B/W obsession w/ Trask borders on the pathological. Rabid namecalling but no thinking, Biff.
@revolution123ize Sorry but when someone who has a PhD tries to say that "I wouldn;t understand because I'm white" is very simplistic and not worth listening to.Just because I'm white, that does not mean I cannot understand certain social relationships,
@Radetzky19 Another B/W claim, & in quotes. Did she tell you that directly? Regardless, she doesn't condemn EVERY "haole." Only a simpleton would assume that. She does have the intelligence to scrutinize, dissect. It's a shame I even have to clarify this. You make one B/W claim after another, but beyond that no content. I've given info countering your "exiling" & "antiwhite" claims. You haven't backed them up, among your other claims. As they say in Missouri, show me.
@Radetzky19 If there's accurate quotes/indications re., e.g., "exiling," I WOULD disagree w/ her on that. Regardless, it won't happen anyway. You have the obvious right to your private opinion about Trask; as do I, including saying that you're full of shit, but based seeing various factors, cause & effect, etc. rather than a B/W complex. As a haole, I've researched & attempted to keep an open mind about Trask. In my brief exchanges w/ her, she didn't show disrespect.
@Radetzky19 Your last statement is an absurd generalization. No one said that you can't understand social relationships. This isn't just about you, moron. Politically-speaking, why don't you fucking grow up? BTW your colonizer/Trask comparison isn't accurate either. U.S. invaded, Hawaiians were invaded. Trask, knowing Hawaiian history, responds based on cause & effect. She hasn't expressed superiority based on her skin color/ culture, etc. Instead of pulling claims out of your ass, provide info.
@Radetzky19 Your last statement is an absurd generalization. No one said that you can't understand social relationships. This isn't just about you, moron. Politically-speaking, why don't you fucking grow up? BTW your colonizer/Trask comparison isn't accurate either. U.S. invaded, Hawaiians were invaded. Trask, knowing Hawaiian history, responds based on cause & effect. She hasn't expressed superiority based on her skin color/ culture, etc. Instead of pulling claims out of your ass, provide info.
@revolution123ize Its not absurd..it's true and I doubt you actually checked all sources to see if they were false. I'm sorry you are just out of the loop. There is no excuse for her radicalism that fuels racism against whites on this island. There is no excuse for hawaiians treating me like shit for thing i did not do to them; if you think they should then you are the immature, fucktard who needs to shut the hell up.
@Radetzky19 I'm doubting you checked any sources at all. You shapeshift your argument again, but w/o content. I'm still waiting for you to back up your "exiling" claim. Perhaps you had a bad experience w/ a Hawaiian individual. I have too. It does suck. But, I try to keep an open mind & not stereotype the whole group. The idea to understand historical events directly, & connections to the present. It's evident you don't do this. You cling to your antiTrask complex. (Contd)
@Radetzky19 Thus, depriving you of your potential ability to think re. the Hawaiian issue. You don't seem to want to focus on the events that fucked over Native Hawaiians. Rather, you blame Trask for everything. Perhaps you simply don't give a damn, when it comes down to it? Perhaps you unconsciously cling to the cliche of the "white man's burden"? I don't know. I do know I've given info refuting your claims (so far). Now, re. your "exiling," claim: Show me buttfuck.
@Radetzky19 Mahalo for info sent to my email. Discover the Networks's version of Trask is informative, but its bottom line is your's: Demonize the "evil racist" Trask. Not surprising, given it's a Right wing "think tank" trying to "pychoaynalize" the Left, while ignoring the Right's own "psychoses." The Right comes from an historical advantage of being in the U.S. status quo, & rants against those who would dare to even criticize it. It takes full advantage of, well, its advantage. (Contnd)
@Radetzky19 Mahalo for info sent to my email. Discover the Networks's version of Trask is informative, but its bottom line is your's: Demonize the "evil racist" Trask. Not surprising, given it's a Right wing "think tank" trying to "pychoaynalize" the Left, while ignoring the Right's own "psychoses." The Right comes from an historical advantage of being in the U.S. status quo, & rants against those who would dare to even criticize it. It takes full advantage of, well, its advantage. (Contnd)
@Radetzky19 While it generally demonizes it opponents, it nonchalanlty or coldly ignores its own contributions to blatant racism, ultranationalism, cold-throat capital that have precisely, e.g., put Hawaiians, as a group, into a position of historical subservience as "Americans." Historically, Hawaiians supported their nation. W/ the U.S. invasion, it was stolen; w/ that institutional power w/ white racism contributing to it, & thus certain historical advantages based on racial preference.
@Radetzky19 "Subjection and deportation of nonethnic Hawaiians;" First, the source, wherever it came from, didn't quote Trask, for something that you & it regard as very important. What about an indication? It's a blanket statement & contradicts her nation-w/in-a-nation position(see previous post). Although I wouldn't doubt that she, at least in her heart, thinks of independence, perhaps as many Hawaiians do. Again, checked her book: Nothing supporting this. But...(contnd)
@Radetzky19 But some mention of nonHawaiians coming as "uninvited guests." Still, no quote, or indication, that she has come out in support of "exiling." Re. Conklin: He's apparently antisovereignty saying its "racist." Isn't this blatant hypocrisy, given the history & its consequences? Conklin cooly supports the treaty of annexation, of which the illegal overthrow paved the way for. He cites sovereign "rights" of the U.S. to do this (!?). He seems to think its OK for a white dominated gov.....
@revolution123ize 2) It is not the best philosophy for you to say that "hate is justified". Hate is hate. And for you to say that makes me never want to see you in power. It is plausible that someone as extreme as Trask would advocate ethnic deportation (not that it could ever happen even if she wanted to). She is impractical and so hateful and she calls herself a prestigious academic calling us haoles in a derogatory sense? Please get a new role model..this on has sand in her vagina
@Radetzky19 to take away Hawaiian sovereignty. W/ this taking away, the excuses of the perpetrators, i.e., the myth Hawaiians were "unfit for selfgovernment." Conklin doesn't focus on this, as though it didn't exist. He acts like we should all move on, disregarding that present conditions are the result of past actions. He wants us all to be shiny & happy people, as though white racism,e.g., has entirely disappeared. He seems not to allow Hawaiians to assert justifiable gripes. (Contd)
@revolution123ize There is gaps in Conklin's arguments but in comparison to Trask, he is the most sane and is not a hatemonger. Someone like Trask goes over the top and encourages hawaiians to treat white ppl and others like crap. Sorry no excuse for that. If anyone did that to me, I would put them in their place and claim among other things that I did not take over their island, nor imprison their queen and them to presumptuous enough to think I'm a bad person is laughable and naive.
@Radetzky19 I wouldn't call Conklin sane when his supports U.S. sovereign "rights" to violate Hawaiian sovereignty. And along w/ that is the very racism that helped to commit that act. That is insane. You repeat the same claims in different form. What you provided doesn't prove that Trask is a mindless racist. I refer to my previous posts. She rhetorically refers to RACIST haoles. But you'll overlook this maybe even denying that white racism exists. Again, this isn't just about you.
@Radetzky19 You think I said hate is justified & you quote it? Now I can call you an outright liar, & rather insane. Check previous posts. Hawaiians never really had a choice of who would get into power w/ the illegal overthrow. Again, no proof of "exiling." You're spinning your wheels. The term haole has been used derogatorily, but is it racist, the idea of superiority based on skin color/culture? I've never heard Hawaiians express this.
@revolution123ize 2) IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT SHE COULD HOLD SUCH EXTREMIST VIEWS. I dont agree with what americans did, but her anecdote is a waste of time and unrealistic. Truthfully, if Hawaiians and only hawaiians had their own govt and legislative seats, Hawaii would become a third world country. Not to mention, alot of hawaiians on this island have become meth addicts. so much for sustainability. Not to mention, the population is so small to begin with and Hawaii ranks 48 in public educ
@revolution123ize 2) IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT SHE COULD HOLD SUCH EXTREMIST VIEWS. I dont agree with what americans did, but her anecdote is a waste of time and unrealistic. Truthfully, if Hawaiians and only hawaiians had their own govt and legislative seats, Hawaii would become a third world country. Not to mention, alot of hawaiians on this island have become meth addicts. so much for sustainability. Not to mention, the population is so small to begin with and Hawaii ranks 48 in public educ
@revolution123ize 3) YOU SAID THE HATE WAS JUSTIFIED YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!! Look: "Again, Trask is sometimes a "firebrand," sometimes rhetorical. But she has, along w/ other Hawaiians, brought out truths that cannot be denied. The anger is justified, & human, regarding the illegal overthrow, racist threats to language, culture, identity itself." YOU ARE SUCH AN ANNOYING TROLL LOLOLOL
@revolution123ize 4) since hawaii ranks 48 in education, sadly, how many hawaiians would actually be truly qualified to run a state in a globalized world? Oh and how will they come up with a good excuse to never allow any other race run for office? HM? Sounds racist to me, sounds like the UN would even get sick to their stomachs. I'm sorry I know my modernist view is more reliable and more realistic than yours and trask will ever be. Get a life.
@Radetzky19 Trask isn't my goddess. And it's not just about her. Others have contributed to sovereignty just as much. Her sister, Mililani e.g. But Haunani Trask is targeted for demonization because she's the loudest. Why don't you read the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples? That will shatter some of your illusions. Your last remark is a cheap shot. Not the sign of an intelligent person. But fanaticism doesn't require reason as you have proven repeatedly.
@Radetzky19 Trask isn't my goddess. And it's not just about her. Others have contributed to sovereignty just as much. Her sister, Mililani e.g. But Haunani Trask is targeted for demonization because she's the loudest. Why don't you read the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples? That will shatter some of your illusions. Your last remark is a cheap shot. Not the sign of an intelligent person. But fanaticism doesn't require reason as you have proven repeatedly.
@revolution123ize Hey troll how about you stop stickingup for Trask and recognizing that she HAS NO FUCKING EXCUSE TO GENERALIZE AND CALL EVERY WHITE PERSON A HAOLE YOU ASSHOLE. You must be some old fart hawaiian who is not educated and you only want to see a part of trask you want to see. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. This is so hilarious. Why don't you read a book about reality? Trask is demonized because she is overly judgmental you dumbass. Why do you care about her so much? LOLOLOLOLOL
@Radetzky19 Your last posts have indeed revealed more about you. Not being able to justify your argument, you resort to reactionary attacks. Never mind LOL, lose the cocksure pretentiousness. It makes you sound fucking pathetic. Given your latest take on Hawaiians, you not only sound close-minded, you've revealed your own racism. I said the anger was justified, given the injustices. That dosn't neccessarily translate into blind hate, based on racism. Of course you take the quote out of context.
@Radetzky19 You dig yourself further into a hole. You further insult Native Hawaiians, not seeing the gray areas that are evident in any human situation. Worse, your attitude reflects the racist myth that they're not fit for selfgovernment, the very thing used by the "American colonizers" whom you claim you disagree w/. Orwellian-like hypocrisy. You dabble in a "Hawaiian conspiracy" where the "natives" will get too "restless" & totally go on some blind rampage.
@revolution123ize you have not countered my claims because you have yet to tell me what exactly the hawaiians want...what "autonomy" do they want? After that I'm going to send you a very long, long message. And sadly sir, most hawaiians are vastly uneducated.
@Radetzky19 You're now contradicting your intitial argument, which was about Trask herself. Plus, in your latest posts, your weren't concerned about what Hawaiians wanted. Why should you be now? Rather, you generally stereotyped them. Besides, I've made refererence to the tendencies in the movement & the disagreements in the process of forging a model; & I've given one example: nation-w/in-a-nation. Regarding your previous posts: Please remove head from ass before speaking.
@Radetzky19 To beat a dead horse: Early on, you used the term ethnic cleansing re. Trask. So, you're saying there's going to be mass slaughter? A historically oppressed minority slaughtering a majority? That is a stretch. Again, showing the general failure of your argument. But admit it, your latest "interest" in the movement is probably another example of cocksure pretentiousness. I'll try not to waste my time any further.
@Radetzky19 Dammit, something else: You used the term "Third World" country re. Hawaiians (see a previous post). But the U.S. gov, w/ its 2 capitalist parties, especially the Repubs, are potentially putting the U.S. on a path to "Third World" status: runaway corps. seeking cheap/slave labor, many layoffs, threats to labor rights, Wall St corruption, increasing struggle for many. So shall I say that whites, e.g., are unfit for self gov? No. But you really can't blame Native Hawaiians for this.
@Radetzky19 Further you think that Hawaiians are not capable, never would be capable, of understanding globalization & modernization; & you're implying they're all drug addicts? You belong back in the 19th century. I'm haole living in Connecticut where the Pequot & Mohegan tribes have sovereignty. So why not Hawaiians? I used to live in Hawai'i. I've countered your claims & thus you initial argument. You finally provided info. The problem is that the sources are already, decidedly...
@Radetzky19 antiTrask & antisovereignty. Worse, they disregard, ignore or maybe even deny the inequality & racism that helped put Hawaiians, as a group, into their eventual present position, while implying or saying they support equality. The previous posts are there to see. To repeat myself over & over would not only be nonsensical, but mad. Generally, you've failed in your argument. But maybe I'll stick around to provide other info, trying to show B/W & gray areas.
@Radetzky19 BTW, I'll simply delete your emails. Why read them, especially at this point? It won't make sense, given your B/W "fanaticism," & a lack of direct understanding.
@revolution123ize No no no no no..all I hear from you is protest.... what is the consensus of what hawaiians want? And if you delete my emails after hearing fully the position of the hawaiian ppl, you will deprive yourself of the most sense I will make. What is the consensus if there is any, on what hawaiian sovereignty is in practice and what it would entail... this shall be interesting
@Radetzky19. So sorry to intervene in you're two's arguements, but seeing how I have to say something. First of all, Hawaiians are not racist. Nor is anyone else who lives in Hawaii. Everyone has just been victimized from the person who made it SEEM like Hawaiians are racist. And, no, its not haoles (BTW, haoles means a foreigner who's bad) Its the U.S. government! Secondly, Hawaiians we're very inteligent people! And lastly, "Hawaiian" is actually a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Just saying.
@UniteHawaii If Hawaiian is a nationality and not an ethnicity why does the movement only pertain to ethnic hawaiians? For example, Japanese-Americans who live here are not considered "hawaiian" in the sense of proclaiming self-determination; but they may be called hawaiian in reference to the fact they live in Hawaii state. Second, I know plenty of ppl who experienced racism for hawaiians. end of story.
@Radetzky19. What movement? The soverignity movement? Umm. "Hawaiian" itself does not refer to one specific group. It refers to anyone reguardless of their race who is a citizen of the Hawaiian Kingdom nation. Its a nationality like "American." You can be American, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Because Hawaiian is a nationality. And in Hawaiian nationality, theres no racism. And BTW, no one in Hawaii is racist. Everyone has just been taught some bad things.
@UniteHawaii LOL you are pointless because you are very ignorant to what ppl like Trask say...most ppl would disagree with you. Sorry. you interrupting the conversation was pointless
@Radetzky19. What I'm talking about is what "Hawaiian" and what the people of Hawaii are! And I'll tell you what the people of Hawaii are not: Racist. No one in Hawaii is racist. Not even Trask! Even though they may talk that way, the way they talk is the way everyone in Hawaii has been misunderstood upon! Victimized upon!
@UniteHawaii yeah they are... sorry you are ignorant but there are many stories of hawaiians being hostile to white ppl who are actually minding their own business, esp at UH. Sorry no use trying to say there is no fervent racism with the hawaiian ppl cause there are!!!!!!!!!!
@Radetzky19. The reason why they are is because they have been victimized by the U.S. Government! They wern't born racist! No one is! Ever since the Hawaiian Kingdom has been militarly occupied by the U.S, Hawaii has been racially divided. If you study your history, you would know that the U.S. was racist back then. That idea was incorporated upon in Hawaii. And has not gone away! So Hawaiians are just victims, along with the people of Hawaii. And once again, "Hawaiian" is a nationality.
@UniteHawaii 1) I never said ppl are born racist. 2) Two wrongs do not make a right, and hawaiians arbitrarily being racist to me and other white ppl who had nothing to do with the occupation is inexcusable. I do know my history, you however do not understand logic and make excuses for hawaiians to be racist. You must understand, I already know WHY they are racist but that does not mean they should be because then it undermines their credibility.
@Radetzky19. That's is understadable. And indeed two wrongs do not make a right! But don't blame Hawaiians for this, nor the people of Hawaii. They don't realize what has happen to their psyche and everyone elses too. They do not know any better is because everyone has been victumized by the U.S. Government who is occupying Hawaii.
@UniteHawaii Don;t blame hawaiians for willingly act racist against white ppl? Ppl should be held responsible for their actions and hawaiians need to be held responsible for the racism against those who had done no harm to them; the ppl of today did not overthrow hawaii. Yeah, they do not know any better because Haunani Trask spews her vitriol over the radio waves and indirectly encourages such racism.
@Radetzky19. I refuse to believe that! The reason why no one knows any better is because of American indoctranation! You need to understand that everyone has been victimized in Hawaii psychology! No one in Hawaii is not bad people. They just have been taught some bad things! And no! Its not Trask! Its U.S. indoctration!
@UniteHawaii I'm sorry but that's pathetic. They are indoctrinated and do not know any better. Ok this is not an extreme case like North Korea so for you to make up an excuse for adults who are perfectly able to think and make connections, use logic and rationality is pitiful. Oh the US indoctrination indoctrinates hawaiians to hate them? Really? The US wants hawaiians to hate them? You are either a POE or a troll
@revolution123ize I dont have time for ppl like you that have no understanding of what I just said and why a government strictly made up of hawaiians i doomed to fail...crystal meth, a lack of education in a globalized, modernized world, will just leave hawaii to want to collaborate with those "haoles" again...it is common sense for anyone who understands politics and development..you not seeing that is laughable, pathetic and shows how irrationally idealistic you are. you are uneducated
@Radetzky19 But you've already proven your inability to directly understand the issue. Modernist view? How cocksure of yourself, & how Orwellianly hypocritical. (Sorry to use the complicated word.) And don't refer to the UN if you don't have a clue on its laws re. indigenous rights. Again, pathetic. I've already said I'm haole, not Hawaiian. Of course, blinded by your hysteria, you overlooked this. Now back to Trask: Back up your claim of exiling. Better be quick, you have a lot of claims.
@revolution123ize Back up why you give a shit about traskl she is hateful and improperly represents hawaiians I talked to many ppl at UH and everyone thinks shes a wackjob...yeah what a great leader she is -_-.
@revolution123ize Back up why you give a shit about traskl she is hateful and improperly represents hawaiians I talked to many ppl at UH and everyone thinks shes a wackjob...yeah what a great leader she is -_-.
@revolution123ize 2) if trask wants to draw the line at ethnicity and be so anti-white maybe she shouldn;t have married a white man and maybe she should realize that she is not pure hawaiian and has no credibility for alot of the things she says. Her hatred is no better than the hatred of the colonizers over a century ago. She's an embarrassment; everybody else is wrong except her? Yeah ok trask, you need to go check into bellevue
@revolution123ize lol I'm not a firebrand, this woman genuinely said all other ethnic groups should leave hawaii. Yeah, it doesnt make sense because she is a crazy hatemonger. LOL!! So her anger is justified to the point of exporting all other races because of the terrible things americans did? I dont agree with what the Americans did but she is extreme. Two wrongs dont make a right. She sounds like the Texans who are constantly in fear that the whites are being overrun by hispanics. racist
I was in Hawaii recently and traveled all over the Islands and yes some parts are amazingly beautiful,but its just an Island and there are many just as beautiful but cheaper.The food and communications in Hawaii are a joke!.The prices for everything in Hawaii is far more than the place is worth.People should stop going to Hawaii and spending money,sadly its a dump mostly now full of rich tourists and full of jealous locals boring Japanese and tourist idiots.Over priced and over hyped.
@rockcityaudio There's a lot of truth in what you say about Hawaii.Especially Honolulu.Which only gets worse over time. Nice maybe for a week,but thats it. But as for rich tourists,they can chose from tropical vacation spots all over the world.No need to chose Hawaii.
@derwentalia ,Dude shutup who cares?most of your people are butt ugly honestly,Ive only met a few which are really beautiful.Most of your people are seriously ugly ass mofoes with more rolls than a bakery!.you can still see Hawaiians living like right apes with iron sheets for roofs living in mosquito infested dumps and eating spam. Without the white man you Hawaiians would be like the apes on Gibraltar waiting for peanuts! Muahahaha.
@rockcityaudio You suffer from a "superiority complex;" crudely implying you have a private monopoly on civilization. Humans don't work that way, Adolf. Not only is your racism 19th century, you're unintentionally proving that you have not even the potential to really think. So it goes with racist "haoles," among other racists.
Your blind hatred for Haunani Trask is based on the fact that she doesn't fit the mold of the docile, friendly native. You hate that she broke the mold.
@painlessreturns I call her names because she is a moaning old bitter bitch.
If she had her way,her so called great culture would be running things in Hawaii and without the white man they would be running it from mud huts built from iron sheets for roofs/ and she would not be opening her mouth because she would not have had any education for a start,she would have been just doing what native women do,get fucked and look after the mud hut!,she may have been less screwed up as well,dumb bitch.
Look at it like this,the strong take everything hell your lucky that any of you are left alive to bitch and moan,this ugly ass of whore would be gang raped and put in her place then she might not be so mouthy.a good beating would shut her ugly mouth.
even the american Indians would kill other weaker tribes and take their women(but not this bitch)they would just kill her she is not worth a shit.
its like if ALIENS landed here,they would take what we got and fry our asses!hehehe
@derwentalia, u dont know what u r talking about, u bragging about your college degrees, what an idiot, that shows how retarded u r. what does your degree has to do with the truth about our history. Majority of the people on the globe dont know the details of our history period. U r full of it, the hatred, perverting, misery pride foolishness ignorant, what an insult for u, very disrespectful, u really need to get a life, u sound like u dont have one, u need to throw that rubbish out of your hea
Too many people r very ignorant about our history, and i love to repeat, we r not africans or europeans, our ancesters (The Native Americans) settled the Islands before the Europeans and the Africans discovered our Islands, so, u all need to leave it or get a life.
Man lets face it,you Hawaiians are on the whole but with a few exceptions fucking butt ugly fat lazy fucks.Look at this ugly ass bitch in the video, shit she cant even be bothered to dye her ugly ass hair,for sure she loves pussy more than dick.
@rockcityaudio Yep you are most likely very right about that hate filled old gross woman. She is Haulani Trask Professor for Life at UH. Salary is paid for by the state and she is untouchable. She's living good while her "people" languish in homelessness. She is the rabid mouthpiece for the poor Hawaiians (part white herself) and has and never will do anything for them.Just collects a fat salary from UH.Her religion is herself. The politicians suck up to her also.
The fact is Hawaiians weren't indigenous to these islands. Scientific and Anthropologic evidence shows they migrated from other islands in Polynesia. So in reality, they're "haoles" just like the rest of us.
Oh, and to those of filipino, portuguese, japanese, chinese, tongan, samoan and of other descents outside of Hawaii...guess what? YOU'RE HAOLES!!!
@xximsmarterthanuxx the fact is youre an ignorant asshole who clearly doesnt understand what indigenous means to indgenous people. it means, dickhead, we have been here for so long that no one can remember anymore when we originally arrived. this "anthropologic evidence" (i got my undergrad degree as a sociology/anthropology double major btw) of which you speak is incomplete at best and consistently disregards oral histories....let alone provide a reliable date.
@derwentalia Unfortunately, i dont have a computer at home, i just have the chance to be at the library and now i got your message, ok, its ok when your very ignorant about the truth of (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints), which is the only true church. Before God the Father and Goddess the Mother, (our Heavenly Parents) created the universe, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints (was) so, and the Book of Mormon is indeed the word of our Heavenly Parents, so, get a life.
@derwentalia The truth is, i know my history, we r not africans or europeans, we r the desendants of the (Native Americans), Africans and Europeans r know mixed with our people (The Islanders). Native Americans settled the Islands before the Slave Trade, so now, in the Islands, African&European culture, tradition& language r blending into our culture,tradition&language, and its the same as the U.S.A. and other countries. So, i hope this truth will at least enlightened u & u bcareful w/pride.
@derwentalia I cant tell that u have a serious problem and no one can change that, but u. so, your rebelliousness will not going to do any good for u, but it will suffer u with misery and destruction so if u receive this message get it thru your head, u r just making a damn fool out of yourself.
my point being that hawaiians have been there for longer than your white ancestors decided to move out of their dank caves in central europe. my point being that hawaiians are native and indigenous to their tribal homelands for far longer than rome or greece can lay claim to their respective areas. my point being, you puke, that we are talking 10s of thousands of years not a few thousand. but, like the racist puke you are, you will continue to think you have a case to make. sad sad sad.
actually, shes very different (god, do i really have to spell it out?). hitler was a european dude. he believed in the lie of a master race (whites). he killed 6 million jews and a few million others including catholics, homosexuals, political dissidents, members of his own junta. haunani is a hawaiian woman. speaks out against the lie of a master race (whites). and has not killed 6 million jews and a few million others. learn. history.
@xximsmarterthanuxx You are correct about Trask.Don't forget to add that she also cheered the 9/11 terrorists ! No doubt she will someday discover the missing link between Islam and Polynesia.Really she has a lot in common with Professor David Duke ( Ukraine University of Hatred) . If only we could put these two shitheads in a ring together and watch them try to kill each other.
@justcallmeassinine your choice of words towards someone that offers a different opinion than you is what I mean. But that is not what you said. Your comment appears that "you" know some link between polynesians and Islam and that she doesn't. As if you know something she doesn't.
@justcallmeassinine the status of the comment is not the question...(you responded to it). So what she cheered the 9/11 terrorists. I believe that is why you criticize her. I'm no fan of no one. I wonder why people attack others for what they do. Your reason for even commenting on this video probably means you are of the LDS faith and that you intend to draw some conspiratorial conclusion between her beliefs about mormonism and her beliefs about 9/11. Kind of bias if you ask me.
@painlessreturns Glad to hear you are no fan of that washed up witch of political correctness Hawaiian style. And no I wish to have nothing to do with the Marmots and their fairy tales,so you are wrong about my faith.
Lamanites=Niggers is what this theology comes down to. Us polynesians are not cursed! Bunch of lies by a polygamous group in the wild wild west. We are of asian origin not native american. LDS god is a white man by their own theology. the white puritan missionaries from america were bunch of snakes and vipers. watch out for them wolves polynesian people. that conoe does not look like an isrealite boat as shown in the book of mormon. we are of asian origin, not native amercan or semite.
all the book of mormon is, is more white supremacist insanity. they are a sick culture concerned only with oppression, abuse, lies and hypocrisies. if i didnt know any better i would say they are the satan their religion speaks about (beware false prophets, wolves in sheeps clothing, and the prince of lies and all of that). they fit the bill alright.
if da egyptians R black, n Ethopians R black, then what colour r Jews- Israelites - 1 million of them scattered intoo africa, where they were sold as Bond men n woman, who were they sold 2. Egyptians R africans 2day.. do not mix a African and a Black American, u can tell the spirits n there features r not da same. One question. if Israelites lost there right 2 b over all nations - and God gave authority 2 Esau - then what is the greatest way to DECEIVE the world. its destroying ones history.
if u dnt know wats happening. God in da beginning made everything, wat u might not know - God choose a nation 2 be over all other nations n that nation was ISRAEL - Israel disobeyed, n 4 dat - God banished them, put them in2 slavery - cursed them, wif poverty, n they will not see there homeland again, until the 2nd coming of CHRIST - Issac had 2 sons - Rebecca - had 2 nations- Esau & Jacob - Jacob was normal - but esau came out Red - when u get a white man shamed, wat happens. - Egyptians r blak
U can call me racist, mayb i am, let me ask u this - If Colour wasnt the issue, then why was the IMAGE of Jesus (YAHAWSHI) and MOSE and all the prophets changed from different shades of Brown to White (Red skin-crackers) - I'm sick of people telling me, well its not about the COLOUR - then why is it so - that when u ask what is Jesus colour they go Black - but if Jesus is black n is a Jew then who are these white caucausians in Israel today, n why did missionaries kill many 2 potrait dis image.
Mormon is KKK undercover. Joseph Smith is just another white bastid, who thinks its ok to live on blood land stolen by his forefathers. Prepare for slaughter Esau - U N your wicked empire will fall - WHAT is the difference between the Catholics White supremist group and the Mormon KKK - they want 2 brain wash the native, and change the Statues and the images of God and Jesus - Jesus came for the Lost sheep of ISRAEL, Mose came 4 Israel - God choose Jacob over Esau the father of White devils.
Pure bullshit/fiction!!!!! What a joke! We proud natives know God is the only truth. The creator of all peoples not just mormons. The creator of our world ,the sun, the stars, the universe. God has the sun rise for everyone not just mormons. Take back your land my proud native brothers and sisters. mormon=religion, god=truth
Trask is right here, although I've noticed she uses the word prostitute and it's variations a lot in her works. Did anyone else read her book 'From a Native Daugther"?
@voglbop Actually, Haunani-Kay is 3/4 Hawaiian. She is a descendant of Hawaiians chiefs from both sides of her ancestry. The only mix in her is because her grandfather from her father's side was white if I recall correctly. I had to opportunity to meet her one time and I have to say I was really moved to see a Hawaiian who wasn't afraid of other's opinions and a Hawaiian who spoke out against American colonialism and oppression in Hawaii and the Pacific Islands in general. Ku'e, ku'e ku'e!!!
why not both indian and asian?fuccin either way we are from the tribe of mannaseh or ephraim.the enemies are the gentiles and all those who oppose the church.fucc em.
I wont set myself on fire but i will crush your skull and bones into a fine powder and feed it to my dogs.fuck native Hawaiians,the japs would have stuck your ugly baby's on a bayonet,you should all be wiped out anyway.
most of you so called Hawaiians are lazy ugly fat pigs and half breeds on welfare.
Will all the white trash please stand up.
MSW121185 3 weeks ago
Trask, what a professional victim, all these assholes do is bitch about the evil haole and then stick their hand out. They’ve never fought for their owner queens land and never will. Get this sorry ass island of whiners off of the fed tit and out of the US.
SkipHawaii 2 months ago
@SkipHawaii - another piece of right-wing American white trash. Typical. Greed, greed, greed is all you and your inbred lot care about.
MSW121185 3 weeks ago
@MSW121185
Greed? I’m not the one sponging off the government. I work for a company that competes on the global market and wins. It does this while it and I pay the taxes so that fools like her can sit on their ass and bitch and whine. Hawaii has no industry and imports everything including 90% of their food. They are a parasite on this country and the sooner the US cuts them loose the better.
And by inbred do you mean like the Hawaiian Aliʻi? What a fucking clueless twit.
SkipHawaii 3 weeks ago
In response to this, nonwhites have been mainly defensive. At this point I have exhausted my feedback on this page. Ironically, none of the posts reflected the topic in the video. For those who stumble upon this page, I suggest checking out the past posts. You may find them interesting. Anyway. Aloha. Ano ai.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
Also in her book, again I paraphrase since I can't find the quote, Trask I think said that nonwhites peoples have never committed violence. If so this is wrong. Examples: Native American intertribal warfare, Imperial Japan's violence against the Chinese/the Koreans, even pre1778 Hawaiians w/ at least periodic warfare. But for the about the last 700 yrs white racism/ violence has been on a worldwide "offensive" first w/ European colonialism & later w/ U.S. imperialism.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
In Trask' book, From a Native Daughter, I think she said that U.S. whites share in the blame in the continuing occupation of Hawai'i. I'm paraphrasing her since as yet I can't find the quote. If so, she's right & wrong. Whites w/ institutional power have no doubt contributed. Common whites w/o that power have done less so or not at all. Regardless racial supremacy have "endowed" whites w/ social status based on skin color, e.g.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
is characterized by verbal violence. I emphasize the word verbal. To compare, we have had actual violence repeatedly committed in the name of U.S. imperial interests w/ massive deaths of local/indigenous populations worldwide. Then we have this poem. Do I really have to say which is worse?
revolution123ize 3 months ago
Racist White Woman: In the early 1990s Haunani Trask came out with a poem called Racist White Woman. Of course there were responses. In UH's Ka Leo, e.g., a cartoon was published showing Trask as a psychotic stalker of a white woman while chanting verses of her poem. I recently saw it & it wasn't as bad as I thought, previously thinking it contained a racist slur against Trask. But despite the attempted satire, ANYONE would be offended if they were described this way. The poem itself...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky I'm obviously not THE spokesperson or "puppetmaster." Others involved know more than I do. It's easy/convenient for its detractors to dismiss it coming from the status quo. They insidiously expect perfection & obviously that's not gonna happen, being that humans are imperfect. If you still can't understand all that's been said here, I can't help you buddy. But to rieterate: Hawaiian sovereignty isn't going away.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky I would add the scenario of nonHawaiians probably inevitably having some participation in gov. I wouldn't doubt that there would be the promoting of equality. But Hawaiians have led the way in various struggles incidentally because they've been the ones most affected. The UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights clearly states that indigenous peoples have rights that include holding power in a Native gov. I've provided my take on Hawaiian sovereignty....
revolution123ize 3 months ago
I'll add that Carter's equation of haole & "nigger" are not accurate. For haole, see my previous posts. Contrary to the use of the term haole, "nigger" was used as a way to impose racial supremacy, to dehumanize slaves in the early U.S., to justify treating them as property. The whole "Carter" incident launched a controversy, but in the end UH's Dean of Students Tom Gething said "I have found no evidence that Dr. Trask, who has never met or spoken with Mr. Carter, discriminated against him..."
revolution123ize 3 months ago
This is true, although class & gender have also played a part. Class especially, given that most are regular people trying to get by, regardless of race. She said that Carter will always be haole. Well, it's not expected that he'll morph into an African princess or a martian. She added he should leave. It was his right to stay, but if he was continuing to have problems, maybe he should have left.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
The Joey Carter incident: In 1990 a white student, newly arrived in Hawai'i from Louisiana had a letter published in UH's newspaper Ka Leo. Briefly: He articulately provided his take on racial matters, e.g., the use of the word haole. He resented its use, e.g., the term "haoledominated" & equated it w/ the term "nigger." Among the responses was one by Haunani Trask. She basically said that "haoles" have been privileged in inheriting a society forged, eg., by racial domination.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize Ok, I'll ask a 4th time since you are obviously a numbnut. Maybe you can get it right this time? I did not ask you about the Carter situation and how the term haloe is used... I asked you the main objectives of the hawaii sovereignty movement. If you cannot do that then it is a complete joke....
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Still craving attention? My info of the Carter incident & the term haole wasn't addressed to you, shit-for-brains. Main objectives? You've already decided for yourself what they are: a scenario of a vast racist conspiracy w/ "uneducated" & "drug induced" Hawaiians bent on, in Trask's case anyway, deportation & ethnic cleansing; & incompetence. Check your posts. Still don't get why I'm not taking you seriously? Lose the closemindedness & proto-racism. If not, then you are a joke.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Still craving attention? My info of the Carter incident & the term haole wasn't addressed to you, shit-for-brains. Main objectives? You've already decided for yourself what they are: a scenario of a vast racist conspiracy w/ "uneducated" & "drug induced" Hawaiians bent on, in Trask's case anyway, deportation & ethnic cleansing; & incompetence. Check your posts. Still don't get why I'm not taking you seriously? Lose the closemindedness & proto-racism. If not, then you are a joke.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize LOL Why are you stalling? is it because you are all talk? I repeatedly asked you a question to which I will respond in a more professional manner but you seem to not care. I'm starting to think you do not know the consensus or main objectives at all... so I'll rephrase the question I know have asked five times. What do you hope is to be achieved for Hawaii? What does the movement mean to you and what do you hope it accomplished? It's funny how you stall.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 LOL. I've already proven I'm not all talk via the Trask argument. Thus your switching to another topic. All talk? You should know better than that. Tell you what. Since you showed a glimmer of civility, here's my take on the goals of the sovereignty movement: It's also known as selfdetermination. I think the terms are used interchangably, but Mililani Trask, e.g., would know better than I. I would also call it a recovery process from obvious past injustices...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 most notably, the illegal overthrow that precisely stole away Hawaiians' governing powers that were rightly based on them being a "first nation," i.e., indigenous rights that were established over generations in Hawai'i to form their version of a civilization. Plus, this nation was recognized internationally, e.g., in the 1890s at the time of the overthrow. The gov. didn't contain just Hawaiians however. There were, e.g., whites.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 But some of them over time eroded Native governing powers based on racism, classism, & profiteering. Hawaiians were "unfit for selfgov." even though they governed their native lands for centuries. Their culture, language & very identity were viewed as "savage." Naturally, many Hawaiians today are angry about this but determined. Thus the sovereignty movement. I see it & support it as a way to in some degree "take back their nation," i.e., ...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize. (#3). In each house of Parliament. House of Nobels and House of Representives. The nation of Hawaii was not run by race. It was run by law. Everyone was equal in society. Unlike America, everyone was divided. In Hawaii, anyone regardless of their race, was an equal with equal rights. That the Spirit of Aloha.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 forging an entity w/ some degree of economic, political & governing powers based on not only the very indigenous rights that were long there before 1778, but especially on recovery from the very inequality, racism & profiteering that stole them in the first place. I'll give another example: Rome occupied Britainnia. Did the natives remain forever occupied? No. They fought back eventually reestablishing their indigenous rights. In the process was there anger? Of course.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize. (#2) to the people of Hawaii entirly in terms of psychology. You see, everyone, regardless of their race, that live in Hawaii, have something in common with the soverignity movement: They've been brainwashed and indoctranated. So we all have something in common. Also, the national government of Hawaii did contain Hawaiians. Because Hawaiian is define as a nationality and not by race. If you mean by Native Hawaiians, they're were actually plenty of them in government!
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Rome during its occupation probably didn't see the natives as selfgoverning, calling them barbarians. Let's just say the natives had their version of a sovereignty movement at one point facing major odds. But they preservered. Of course these examples aren't exactly the same. But they have fundamental similarities. Hawaiian sovereignty, while a continuing struggle, like it or not, won't go away. The U.S. to not properly address it I find almost criminal. That's my take guy.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize ok now I will respond through message
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 I'm doubting that a Hawaiian selfgovernment will TOTALLY take over the whole islands, especially Oahu. I think its main body could be situated on one of the neighboring islands, e.g., the Big Island. There could be various branches throughout the islands w/ lands that have already been ceded to Native Hawaiians to begin with. NonHawaiians would inevitably be included as participants. As a U.S. citizen myself, I would still favor a model...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 based on Hawaiians having some degree of indigenous power. What does this mean? Hawaiians having basic control over their own government. I've already mentioned the reasons for this. Especially given their small #s, I would think this would be even more crucial. If not, they would be inevitably eclipsed from power & thus it would be business as usual. Thus no proper redress of, e.g., the overthrow. The crime is allowed to continue...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 There are other examples of sovereignty operating in the U.S. w/ Native American tribes. Their #s are small (due to past genocidal campaigns) compared w/ the total U.S. population & yet they have indigenous control of their govs, e.g., where I live-the Pequots & the Mohegans. I've heard of no complaints. The U.S. gov could properly redress the Hawaiian situation in a similar way, e.g., nation-w/in-a-nation. But Hawaiians are continuing to sort out a model...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 & it's mainly their decision, again based on reasons I've mentioned. Another example, but unrelated: Affirmative Action as a redress of past inequalities giving African Americans a more level playing field. I also mention this based on the U.S. founders instituting a white quota system of property ownership, race, class & gender, despite whatever degree of democracy. There has to be a proper redress of sovereignty. If not, it could get worse & Hawaiians won't take it lying down.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize. (#1) Actually, the soverignity movement's goal is to have Hawaii an independent nation again, but little do they know that Hawaii is actually an independent nation presently. The government is just in exile right now. But some people are now getting that message. And to me, of the way the soverignity movement is wanting "independence" for Hawaii. Or the actual word is "restoration" in this case, their doing it, to me, the wrong way. I wonder if they realize of what has happen
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii The gov. is in exile: Interesting way of putting it. As you must know, Queen Liliuokalani never relinquished Hawaiian sovereignty, only yielded temporarily under force, looking to see that justice would eventually prevail. She was right...temporarily. U.S. Democratic president Grover Cleveland, after studying the Blount report, had the balls to admit that the overthrow was illegal, calling it "an act of war." Further he concluded that Liliuokalani be restored, & thus the nation.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize. #1. Yes, I do know about that. Her Majesty did not surrender Hawaii. She yielded Her authority and transfered it to the U.S. President to undo what their U.S. Ambassador had done. And, yeah, when President Cleveland came into power, he launched an invistigation and concluded that because the U.S. Ambassador conspired against a foreign nation, not to mention used military force to aid Hawaiian citizens who commited treason. (BTW, Hawaiian is a nationality), it was an Act of War
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii Unfortunately, Cleveland wasn't reelected. A Republican, Mckinley, being elected, apparently scrapped the decision, favoring annexation & in turn imperialism. I know that the Hawaiian gov. mainly contained Hawaiians,as alluded to in a previous post. It makes sense, being that they were governing as indigenous people long before 1778.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize. (#2) Yes. He did ordered Her Majesty and Her government to be restored. They made a treaty in 1897 called the "Cleavland-Liliuokalani Exective Agreements," which requires the U.S. President and their sucessors in office to administer Hawaiian Kingdom Law and to restore the government. Those agreements are still active to this present day! But, yeah, when President Mckinley came into power, he denied it existed!
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
The Joey Carter incident: In 1990 a white student, newly arrived in Hawai'i from Louisiana had a letter published in UH's newspaper Ka Leo. Briefly: He articulately provided his take on racial matters, e.g., the use of the word haole. He resented its use, e.g., the term "haoledominated" & equated it w/ the term "nigger." Among the responses was one by Haunani Trask. She basically said that "haoles" have been privileged in inheriting a society forged, eg., by racial domination.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 BTW, arrogant shit, DO NOT try to intimidate someone else who's posting, e.g., UniteHawaii. How ironic, this may result in a haole calling a haole a fucking haole.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
Another thing re. the term haole: David Stannard,a haole, & Trask's partner, in an interview w/ Honolulu mag (1989) said: "This sensitivity to the word haole is of very recent vintage-it's a response to Hawaiian cultural assertiveness. What's going on is classic: white people are happy to define others, but outraged at having other people define them."
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize Again, I;m going to ask you a third time..... What is the general consensus of the Sovereignty movement.... what is the main objective? Tell me this and I will respond in the most sane way possible that is fair. But now I feel like you can;t answer my question because there is no main objective or framework to the sovereignty movement...I'm speculating but just answer the question now
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Again, I mentioned the tendencies in the movement; the disagreements, etc. It's a struggle in the process of trying to forge an eventual official model. There are different models. I've mentioned one. Re. main objective, you appear to have attempted unintentionally to answer your own question. But given your previous posts, why take you seriously? You still haven't shown a quote from Trask supporting ethnic cleansing (see earlier post). Again, why take you seriously?
revolution123ize 3 months ago
In itself, it has been used strictly based on color itself in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily. But not neccessarily based on racism when there's no myths of racial supremacy involved.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
Is the user, e.g., a Native Hawaiian, expressing a show of racial supremacy based on his/her skin color & culture? I've never heard Hawaiians express it in this way. Rather, it usually expresses an anger FOCUSED ON past & present injustices. Of course, Haunani Trask has used it derogatorily sometimes. But she's never said or implied that she's superior to others based on her color/culture (based on what I've seen & heard).
revolution123ize 3 months ago
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Re. the term haole: I've heard that it originally meant foreigner &/or "no breath." So, it can describe whites, but nonwhites a well. Perhaps it became associated w/ whites because of the historical racial dominance/influence of that group in Hawai'i over the last 100 yrs or so. I've heard it being used in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily, regardless of race. But when used in a derogatory manner, does that neccessarily constitute racism?
revolution123ize 3 months ago
Re. the term haole: I've heard that it originally meant foreigner &/or "no breath." So, it can describe whites, but nonwhites a well. Perhaps it became associated w/ whites because of the historical racial dominance/influence of that group in Hawai'i over the last 100 yrs or so. I've heard it being used in a matter-of-fact-way & derogatorily, regardless of race. But when used in a derogatory manner, does that neccessarily constitute racism?
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize you mate suffer from an"asshole and asslicker"complex.
If all the whites left Hawaii,you lot would soon burn ugly old bitches like this one when you aint got no cars,food and nice lifestyle provided by the white man.
Clearly this fug ugly old moggy aint getting no dick and she is probably cruising the uni campus using her position to lick pussy.all her breed is good for is moaning and dancing like idiots with coconuts on their tits,while white folk changed the world!.Fact!
rockcityaudio 4 months ago
@rockcityaudio Next you'll be calling me a race traitor. Rants of a Nazi? If only your verbal barbarism was a sick joke. Re: Barbarism-e.g., The Romans called those in occupied provinces in Northern Europe barbarians, similar to your "sermon" about Hawaiians, e.g., Northern European women "getting fucked" and "tending the hut." You know, (do you?), Romans bringing "civilization" to them? Being an asslicker for myths of Aryan "supremacy," I don't expect you to learn from history.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize she is a nutcase She calls for the removal of all those who are not hawaiian from hawaii. If she wants this, she is no better than the American colonizer by violating the rights of ppl who were born and raised on the island and were exiled only because they did not belong to a certain ethnic group. She is such a poor excuse of an academic and need to let go of that hate. Does her ethnic cleansing scheme even apply to those who are half hawaiian? She not full even hawaiian
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Sometimes a "firebrand," but above all, Trask has directly spoke of truths that U.S. status quo would prefer to ignore. Being formerly of the soverignty movement, I've never heard her say she favors "exiling" other groups. Besides, it's impossible. Her anger is reflective of being part of an ethnic group that has been overwhelmed overall since 1778. A population of 800,000 now down to 5,000 pure Hawaiians, & many part; sounds like ethnic cleansing. The anger is justified overall.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize lol I'm not a firebrand, this woman genuinely said all other ethnic groups should leave hawaii. Yeah, it doesnt make sense because she is a crazy hatemonger. LOL!! So her anger is justified to the point of exporting all other races because of the terrible things americans did? I dont agree with what the Americans did but she is extreme. Two wrongs dont make a right. She sounds like the Texans who are constantly in fear that the whites are being overrun by hispanics. racist
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Again, Trask is sometimes a "firebrand," sometimes rhetorical. But she has, along w/ other Hawaiians, brought out truths that cannot be denied. The anger is justified, & human, regarding the illegal overthrow, racist threats to language, culture, identity itself. Again, I've never heard her say that about other groups. ONE wrong doesn't make a right. The Trask/Texan comparison isn't really accurate: Whites invaded that part of Mexico, stealing it. Hawaiians haven't invaded.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize Ok so you agree that all non Hawaiians hall be exported? That's a UN violation of human rights by the way and if anything that would undermine Hawaiian security and sovereignty even more. It's funny how she does not understand hawaiians are also dying out naturally by falling in love with ppl of other races and thus their children becoming "mixed". That is their choice.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Researched your claim; found nothing. No quotes, no implications. Even her detractors don't mention it (from what I saw). I checked her book, From a Native Daughter: Nothing. She was a member of Ka Lahui Hawai'i, which proposed a nation-within-a-nation model, i.e, a Hawaiian nation w/in a U.S. nation, an obvious indication of not favoring exiling; plus, Ka Lahui accepted nonHawaiian members. So, you think you know UN law, eh? Her & her sister Mililani have studied it. (Cont.)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Studied it, especially re. indigenous rights. And don't put words in my mouth, like you're doing w/ Trask. She's not exempt from criticism, but her fervent detractors seem obsessed w/ pure demonization, e.g., your "ethnicity" & "antiwhite" claims. I would think that having a "haole" partner would show she isn't racist. Plus, she's worked w/ & quoted haole sources. Not pure Hawaiian? Are you implying that only pure Hawaiians be involved? No part, no nonHawaiians? Exiling?
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Studied it, especially re. indigenous rights. And don't put words in my mouth, like you're doing w/ Trask. She's not exempt from criticism, but her fervent detractors seem obsessed w/ pure demonization, e.g., your "ethnicity" & "antiwhite" claims. I would think that having a "haole" partner would show she isn't racist. Plus, she's worked w/ & quoted haole sources. Not pure Hawaiian? Are you implying that only pure Hawaiians be involved? No part, no nonHawaiians? Exiling?
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Re. mixing: diseases ravaged the Hawaiian population, no immunity. Perhaps because of that, & their level of culture shock, their aloha, they mixed, perhaps to keep some degree of their ethnicity alive in future generations. But you'll have none of that, will you? Similar to some haole historians, e.g., there's a nonchalant, lament of a group, inevitably doomed to "extintion." From that, a defeatist lament of the futility of soverignty itself? If so, that's racist. Some choice.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize LOL you are a fucktard. I do not wish for the hawaiians to go extinct you asshole. You are putting words into my mouth. How can Trask herself properly represent the hawaiian community trying to preserve hawaiian ethnic group when hawaiians themselves are choosing to mix with ppl of other nationalities and thus having offspring of different races? What she wants is impossible.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Asswipe, I didn't say you wished it. But you displayed an "Oh well" attitude about it. Are you putting words into her mouth implying she wants ethnic purity as a condition for being Hawaiian? Understand, dipshit, this is a question. Obviously, individual choice is a factor regarding mixing. However, it's inevitably connected to collective, social conditions that just as much molds a person. Thus, w/ Hawaiians w/ their particular, historical conditions. (Contd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 I actually hope that the pure Hawaiian population can increase, & w/ part Hawaiians establish a sovereign model w/ nonHawaiian participation. Do you favor something like this? Again, dipshit, this is a question. Instead of wasting your time w/ obsessive demonizing & nonchalant laments, perhaps you could provide some positives regarding the Hawaiian sovereignty movement? Again, a question.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize LOL that's not an easy question to answer especially since there has to be an objective outlook on who is considered Hawaiian... just the pure Hawaiians? how about 3/4 hawaiian? What kind of sovereignty framework would it be? If it is too much against the status quo noone is going to go for it. And just the fact that you do not see Trask as an angry, nonsensical, hardlined ethnic nationalist really shows your irrationality.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Of course it's not easy to answer. It's a struggle going against the current of a currently strong status quo. There are tendencies, models. W/ nonHawaiian involvement, e.g., the question of Hawaiian % may or may not be an issue. There are disagreements, conflicts, as w/ any movement. Despite the odds, they will go on; a part of human struggle. Your B/W obsession w/ Trask borders on the pathological. Rabid namecalling but no thinking, Biff.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize Sorry but when someone who has a PhD tries to say that "I wouldn;t understand because I'm white" is very simplistic and not worth listening to.Just because I'm white, that does not mean I cannot understand certain social relationships,
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Another B/W claim, & in quotes. Did she tell you that directly? Regardless, she doesn't condemn EVERY "haole." Only a simpleton would assume that. She does have the intelligence to scrutinize, dissect. It's a shame I even have to clarify this. You make one B/W claim after another, but beyond that no content. I've given info countering your "exiling" & "antiwhite" claims. You haven't backed them up, among your other claims. As they say in Missouri, show me.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 If there's accurate quotes/indications re., e.g., "exiling," I WOULD disagree w/ her on that. Regardless, it won't happen anyway. You have the obvious right to your private opinion about Trask; as do I, including saying that you're full of shit, but based seeing various factors, cause & effect, etc. rather than a B/W complex. As a haole, I've researched & attempted to keep an open mind about Trask. In my brief exchanges w/ her, she didn't show disrespect.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Your last statement is an absurd generalization. No one said that you can't understand social relationships. This isn't just about you, moron. Politically-speaking, why don't you fucking grow up? BTW your colonizer/Trask comparison isn't accurate either. U.S. invaded, Hawaiians were invaded. Trask, knowing Hawaiian history, responds based on cause & effect. She hasn't expressed superiority based on her skin color/ culture, etc. Instead of pulling claims out of your ass, provide info.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Your last statement is an absurd generalization. No one said that you can't understand social relationships. This isn't just about you, moron. Politically-speaking, why don't you fucking grow up? BTW your colonizer/Trask comparison isn't accurate either. U.S. invaded, Hawaiians were invaded. Trask, knowing Hawaiian history, responds based on cause & effect. She hasn't expressed superiority based on her skin color/ culture, etc. Instead of pulling claims out of your ass, provide info.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize Its not absurd..it's true and I doubt you actually checked all sources to see if they were false. I'm sorry you are just out of the loop. There is no excuse for her radicalism that fuels racism against whites on this island. There is no excuse for hawaiians treating me like shit for thing i did not do to them; if you think they should then you are the immature, fucktard who needs to shut the hell up.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 I'm doubting you checked any sources at all. You shapeshift your argument again, but w/o content. I'm still waiting for you to back up your "exiling" claim. Perhaps you had a bad experience w/ a Hawaiian individual. I have too. It does suck. But, I try to keep an open mind & not stereotype the whole group. The idea to understand historical events directly, & connections to the present. It's evident you don't do this. You cling to your antiTrask complex. (Contd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Thus, depriving you of your potential ability to think re. the Hawaiian issue. You don't seem to want to focus on the events that fucked over Native Hawaiians. Rather, you blame Trask for everything. Perhaps you simply don't give a damn, when it comes down to it? Perhaps you unconsciously cling to the cliche of the "white man's burden"? I don't know. I do know I've given info refuting your claims (so far). Now, re. your "exiling," claim: Show me buttfuck.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Mahalo for info sent to my email. Discover the Networks's version of Trask is informative, but its bottom line is your's: Demonize the "evil racist" Trask. Not surprising, given it's a Right wing "think tank" trying to "pychoaynalize" the Left, while ignoring the Right's own "psychoses." The Right comes from an historical advantage of being in the U.S. status quo, & rants against those who would dare to even criticize it. It takes full advantage of, well, its advantage. (Contnd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
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@Radetzky19 Mahalo for info sent to my email. Discover the Networks's version of Trask is informative, but its bottom line is your's: Demonize the "evil racist" Trask. Not surprising, given it's a Right wing "think tank" trying to "pychoaynalize" the Left, while ignoring the Right's own "psychoses." The Right comes from an historical advantage of being in the U.S. status quo, & rants against those who would dare to even criticize it. It takes full advantage of, well, its advantage. (Contnd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 While it generally demonizes it opponents, it nonchalanlty or coldly ignores its own contributions to blatant racism, ultranationalism, cold-throat capital that have precisely, e.g., put Hawaiians, as a group, into a position of historical subservience as "Americans." Historically, Hawaiians supported their nation. W/ the U.S. invasion, it was stolen; w/ that institutional power w/ white racism contributing to it, & thus certain historical advantages based on racial preference.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 "Subjection and deportation of nonethnic Hawaiians;" First, the source, wherever it came from, didn't quote Trask, for something that you & it regard as very important. What about an indication? It's a blanket statement & contradicts her nation-w/in-a-nation position(see previous post). Although I wouldn't doubt that she, at least in her heart, thinks of independence, perhaps as many Hawaiians do. Again, checked her book: Nothing supporting this. But...(contnd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 But some mention of nonHawaiians coming as "uninvited guests." Still, no quote, or indication, that she has come out in support of "exiling." Re. Conklin: He's apparently antisovereignty saying its "racist." Isn't this blatant hypocrisy, given the history & its consequences? Conklin cooly supports the treaty of annexation, of which the illegal overthrow paved the way for. He cites sovereign "rights" of the U.S. to do this (!?). He seems to think its OK for a white dominated gov.....
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize 2) It is not the best philosophy for you to say that "hate is justified". Hate is hate. And for you to say that makes me never want to see you in power. It is plausible that someone as extreme as Trask would advocate ethnic deportation (not that it could ever happen even if she wanted to). She is impractical and so hateful and she calls herself a prestigious academic calling us haoles in a derogatory sense? Please get a new role model..this on has sand in her vagina
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 to take away Hawaiian sovereignty. W/ this taking away, the excuses of the perpetrators, i.e., the myth Hawaiians were "unfit for selfgovernment." Conklin doesn't focus on this, as though it didn't exist. He acts like we should all move on, disregarding that present conditions are the result of past actions. He wants us all to be shiny & happy people, as though white racism,e.g., has entirely disappeared. He seems not to allow Hawaiians to assert justifiable gripes. (Contd)
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize There is gaps in Conklin's arguments but in comparison to Trask, he is the most sane and is not a hatemonger. Someone like Trask goes over the top and encourages hawaiians to treat white ppl and others like crap. Sorry no excuse for that. If anyone did that to me, I would put them in their place and claim among other things that I did not take over their island, nor imprison their queen and them to presumptuous enough to think I'm a bad person is laughable and naive.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 I wouldn't call Conklin sane when his supports U.S. sovereign "rights" to violate Hawaiian sovereignty. And along w/ that is the very racism that helped to commit that act. That is insane. You repeat the same claims in different form. What you provided doesn't prove that Trask is a mindless racist. I refer to my previous posts. She rhetorically refers to RACIST haoles. But you'll overlook this maybe even denying that white racism exists. Again, this isn't just about you.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 You think I said hate is justified & you quote it? Now I can call you an outright liar, & rather insane. Check previous posts. Hawaiians never really had a choice of who would get into power w/ the illegal overthrow. Again, no proof of "exiling." You're spinning your wheels. The term haole has been used derogatorily, but is it racist, the idea of superiority based on skin color/culture? I've never heard Hawaiians express this.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize 2) IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT SHE COULD HOLD SUCH EXTREMIST VIEWS. I dont agree with what americans did, but her anecdote is a waste of time and unrealistic. Truthfully, if Hawaiians and only hawaiians had their own govt and legislative seats, Hawaii would become a third world country. Not to mention, alot of hawaiians on this island have become meth addicts. so much for sustainability. Not to mention, the population is so small to begin with and Hawaii ranks 48 in public educ
Radetzky19 4 months ago
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@revolution123ize 2) IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT SHE COULD HOLD SUCH EXTREMIST VIEWS. I dont agree with what americans did, but her anecdote is a waste of time and unrealistic. Truthfully, if Hawaiians and only hawaiians had their own govt and legislative seats, Hawaii would become a third world country. Not to mention, alot of hawaiians on this island have become meth addicts. so much for sustainability. Not to mention, the population is so small to begin with and Hawaii ranks 48 in public educ
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@revolution123ize 3) YOU SAID THE HATE WAS JUSTIFIED YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!! Look: "Again, Trask is sometimes a "firebrand," sometimes rhetorical. But she has, along w/ other Hawaiians, brought out truths that cannot be denied. The anger is justified, & human, regarding the illegal overthrow, racist threats to language, culture, identity itself." YOU ARE SUCH AN ANNOYING TROLL LOLOLOL
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@revolution123ize 4) since hawaii ranks 48 in education, sadly, how many hawaiians would actually be truly qualified to run a state in a globalized world? Oh and how will they come up with a good excuse to never allow any other race run for office? HM? Sounds racist to me, sounds like the UN would even get sick to their stomachs. I'm sorry I know my modernist view is more reliable and more realistic than yours and trask will ever be. Get a life.
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Trask isn't my goddess. And it's not just about her. Others have contributed to sovereignty just as much. Her sister, Mililani e.g. But Haunani Trask is targeted for demonization because she's the loudest. Why don't you read the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples? That will shatter some of your illusions. Your last remark is a cheap shot. Not the sign of an intelligent person. But fanaticism doesn't require reason as you have proven repeatedly.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Trask isn't my goddess. And it's not just about her. Others have contributed to sovereignty just as much. Her sister, Mililani e.g. But Haunani Trask is targeted for demonization because she's the loudest. Why don't you read the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples? That will shatter some of your illusions. Your last remark is a cheap shot. Not the sign of an intelligent person. But fanaticism doesn't require reason as you have proven repeatedly.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@revolution123ize Hey troll how about you stop stickingup for Trask and recognizing that she HAS NO FUCKING EXCUSE TO GENERALIZE AND CALL EVERY WHITE PERSON A HAOLE YOU ASSHOLE. You must be some old fart hawaiian who is not educated and you only want to see a part of trask you want to see. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. This is so hilarious. Why don't you read a book about reality? Trask is demonized because she is overly judgmental you dumbass. Why do you care about her so much? LOLOLOLOLOL
Radetzky19 4 months ago
@Radetzky19 Your last posts have indeed revealed more about you. Not being able to justify your argument, you resort to reactionary attacks. Never mind LOL, lose the cocksure pretentiousness. It makes you sound fucking pathetic. Given your latest take on Hawaiians, you not only sound close-minded, you've revealed your own racism. I said the anger was justified, given the injustices. That dosn't neccessarily translate into blind hate, based on racism. Of course you take the quote out of context.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize Sorry you are a racist hawaiian who needs to get a life and needs to realize extremism doesnt work in this case...end of story
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 You dig yourself further into a hole. You further insult Native Hawaiians, not seeing the gray areas that are evident in any human situation. Worse, your attitude reflects the racist myth that they're not fit for selfgovernment, the very thing used by the "American colonizers" whom you claim you disagree w/. Orwellian-like hypocrisy. You dabble in a "Hawaiian conspiracy" where the "natives" will get too "restless" & totally go on some blind rampage.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize you have not countered my claims because you have yet to tell me what exactly the hawaiians want...what "autonomy" do they want? After that I'm going to send you a very long, long message. And sadly sir, most hawaiians are vastly uneducated.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 You're now contradicting your intitial argument, which was about Trask herself. Plus, in your latest posts, your weren't concerned about what Hawaiians wanted. Why should you be now? Rather, you generally stereotyped them. Besides, I've made refererence to the tendencies in the movement & the disagreements in the process of forging a model; & I've given one example: nation-w/in-a-nation. Regarding your previous posts: Please remove head from ass before speaking.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 To beat a dead horse: Early on, you used the term ethnic cleansing re. Trask. So, you're saying there's going to be mass slaughter? A historically oppressed minority slaughtering a majority? That is a stretch. Again, showing the general failure of your argument. But admit it, your latest "interest" in the movement is probably another example of cocksure pretentiousness. I'll try not to waste my time any further.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Dammit, something else: You used the term "Third World" country re. Hawaiians (see a previous post). But the U.S. gov, w/ its 2 capitalist parties, especially the Repubs, are potentially putting the U.S. on a path to "Third World" status: runaway corps. seeking cheap/slave labor, many layoffs, threats to labor rights, Wall St corruption, increasing struggle for many. So shall I say that whites, e.g., are unfit for self gov? No. But you really can't blame Native Hawaiians for this.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 Further you think that Hawaiians are not capable, never would be capable, of understanding globalization & modernization; & you're implying they're all drug addicts? You belong back in the 19th century. I'm haole living in Connecticut where the Pequot & Mohegan tribes have sovereignty. So why not Hawaiians? I used to live in Hawai'i. I've countered your claims & thus you initial argument. You finally provided info. The problem is that the sources are already, decidedly...
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 antiTrask & antisovereignty. Worse, they disregard, ignore or maybe even deny the inequality & racism that helped put Hawaiians, as a group, into their eventual present position, while implying or saying they support equality. The previous posts are there to see. To repeat myself over & over would not only be nonsensical, but mad. Generally, you've failed in your argument. But maybe I'll stick around to provide other info, trying to show B/W & gray areas.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 BTW, I'll simply delete your emails. Why read them, especially at this point? It won't make sense, given your B/W "fanaticism," & a lack of direct understanding.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize No no no no no..all I hear from you is protest.... what is the consensus of what hawaiians want? And if you delete my emails after hearing fully the position of the hawaiian ppl, you will deprive yourself of the most sense I will make. What is the consensus if there is any, on what hawaiian sovereignty is in practice and what it would entail... this shall be interesting
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. So sorry to intervene in you're two's arguements, but seeing how I have to say something. First of all, Hawaiians are not racist. Nor is anyone else who lives in Hawaii. Everyone has just been victimized from the person who made it SEEM like Hawaiians are racist. And, no, its not haoles (BTW, haoles means a foreigner who's bad) Its the U.S. government! Secondly, Hawaiians we're very inteligent people! And lastly, "Hawaiian" is actually a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Just saying.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii If Hawaiian is a nationality and not an ethnicity why does the movement only pertain to ethnic hawaiians? For example, Japanese-Americans who live here are not considered "hawaiian" in the sense of proclaiming self-determination; but they may be called hawaiian in reference to the fact they live in Hawaii state. Second, I know plenty of ppl who experienced racism for hawaiians. end of story.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. What movement? The soverignity movement? Umm. "Hawaiian" itself does not refer to one specific group. It refers to anyone reguardless of their race who is a citizen of the Hawaiian Kingdom nation. Its a nationality like "American." You can be American, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Because Hawaiian is a nationality. And in Hawaiian nationality, theres no racism. And BTW, no one in Hawaii is racist. Everyone has just been taught some bad things.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii LOL you are pointless because you are very ignorant to what ppl like Trask say...most ppl would disagree with you. Sorry. you interrupting the conversation was pointless
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. Begging your pardan, but what are you talking about? "Most people would disagree with me?" For what?
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii More important question: What are YOU talking about?
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. What I'm talking about is what "Hawaiian" and what the people of Hawaii are! And I'll tell you what the people of Hawaii are not: Racist. No one in Hawaii is racist. Not even Trask! Even though they may talk that way, the way they talk is the way everyone in Hawaii has been misunderstood upon! Victimized upon!
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii yeah they are... sorry you are ignorant but there are many stories of hawaiians being hostile to white ppl who are actually minding their own business, esp at UH. Sorry no use trying to say there is no fervent racism with the hawaiian ppl cause there are!!!!!!!!!!
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. The reason why they are is because they have been victimized by the U.S. Government! They wern't born racist! No one is! Ever since the Hawaiian Kingdom has been militarly occupied by the U.S, Hawaii has been racially divided. If you study your history, you would know that the U.S. was racist back then. That idea was incorporated upon in Hawaii. And has not gone away! So Hawaiians are just victims, along with the people of Hawaii. And once again, "Hawaiian" is a nationality.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii 1) I never said ppl are born racist. 2) Two wrongs do not make a right, and hawaiians arbitrarily being racist to me and other white ppl who had nothing to do with the occupation is inexcusable. I do know my history, you however do not understand logic and make excuses for hawaiians to be racist. You must understand, I already know WHY they are racist but that does not mean they should be because then it undermines their credibility.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. That's is understadable. And indeed two wrongs do not make a right! But don't blame Hawaiians for this, nor the people of Hawaii. They don't realize what has happen to their psyche and everyone elses too. They do not know any better is because everyone has been victumized by the U.S. Government who is occupying Hawaii.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii Don;t blame hawaiians for willingly act racist against white ppl? Ppl should be held responsible for their actions and hawaiians need to be held responsible for the racism against those who had done no harm to them; the ppl of today did not overthrow hawaii. Yeah, they do not know any better because Haunani Trask spews her vitriol over the radio waves and indirectly encourages such racism.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19. I refuse to believe that! The reason why no one knows any better is because of American indoctranation! You need to understand that everyone has been victimized in Hawaii psychology! No one in Hawaii is not bad people. They just have been taught some bad things! And no! Its not Trask! Its U.S. indoctration!
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@UniteHawaii I'm sorry but that's pathetic. They are indoctrinated and do not know any better. Ok this is not an extreme case like North Korea so for you to make up an excuse for adults who are perfectly able to think and make connections, use logic and rationality is pitiful. Oh the US indoctrination indoctrinates hawaiians to hate them? Really? The US wants hawaiians to hate them? You are either a POE or a troll
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@revolution123ize I dont have time for ppl like you that have no understanding of what I just said and why a government strictly made up of hawaiians i doomed to fail...crystal meth, a lack of education in a globalized, modernized world, will just leave hawaii to want to collaborate with those "haoles" again...it is common sense for anyone who understands politics and development..you not seeing that is laughable, pathetic and shows how irrationally idealistic you are. you are uneducated
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@Radetzky19 But you've already proven your inability to directly understand the issue. Modernist view? How cocksure of yourself, & how Orwellianly hypocritical. (Sorry to use the complicated word.) And don't refer to the UN if you don't have a clue on its laws re. indigenous rights. Again, pathetic. I've already said I'm haole, not Hawaiian. Of course, blinded by your hysteria, you overlooked this. Now back to Trask: Back up your claim of exiling. Better be quick, you have a lot of claims.
revolution123ize 3 months ago
@revolution123ize Back up why you give a shit about traskl she is hateful and improperly represents hawaiians I talked to many ppl at UH and everyone thinks shes a wackjob...yeah what a great leader she is -_-.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
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@revolution123ize Back up why you give a shit about traskl she is hateful and improperly represents hawaiians I talked to many ppl at UH and everyone thinks shes a wackjob...yeah what a great leader she is -_-.
Radetzky19 3 months ago
@revolution123ize 2) if trask wants to draw the line at ethnicity and be so anti-white maybe she shouldn;t have married a white man and maybe she should realize that she is not pure hawaiian and has no credibility for alot of the things she says. Her hatred is no better than the hatred of the colonizers over a century ago. She's an embarrassment; everybody else is wrong except her? Yeah ok trask, you need to go check into bellevue
Radetzky19 4 months ago
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@revolution123ize lol I'm not a firebrand, this woman genuinely said all other ethnic groups should leave hawaii. Yeah, it doesnt make sense because she is a crazy hatemonger. LOL!! So her anger is justified to the point of exporting all other races because of the terrible things americans did? I dont agree with what the Americans did but she is extreme. Two wrongs dont make a right. She sounds like the Texans who are constantly in fear that the whites are being overrun by hispanics. racist
Radetzky19 4 months ago
The BOM is FICTION. There was never a Lamanite people in the Americas. Never a Nephite people.
ESETAPOLKADOTS 5 months ago
I was in Hawaii recently and traveled all over the Islands and yes some parts are amazingly beautiful,but its just an Island and there are many just as beautiful but cheaper.The food and communications in Hawaii are a joke!.The prices for everything in Hawaii is far more than the place is worth.People should stop going to Hawaii and spending money,sadly its a dump mostly now full of rich tourists and full of jealous locals boring Japanese and tourist idiots.Over priced and over hyped.
rockcityaudio 8 months ago
@rockcityaudio There's a lot of truth in what you say about Hawaii.Especially Honolulu.Which only gets worse over time. Nice maybe for a week,but thats it. But as for rich tourists,they can chose from tropical vacation spots all over the world.No need to chose Hawaii.
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
@derwentalia ,Dude shutup who cares?most of your people are butt ugly honestly,Ive only met a few which are really beautiful.Most of your people are seriously ugly ass mofoes with more rolls than a bakery!.you can still see Hawaiians living like right apes with iron sheets for roofs living in mosquito infested dumps and eating spam. Without the white man you Hawaiians would be like the apes on Gibraltar waiting for peanuts! Muahahaha.
rockcityaudio 8 months ago
@rockcityaudio You suffer from a "superiority complex;" crudely implying you have a private monopoly on civilization. Humans don't work that way, Adolf. Not only is your racism 19th century, you're unintentionally proving that you have not even the potential to really think. So it goes with racist "haoles," among other racists.
Your blind hatred for Haunani Trask is based on the fact that she doesn't fit the mold of the docile, friendly native. You hate that she broke the mold.
revolution123ize 4 months ago
@painlessreturns I call her names because she is a moaning old bitter bitch.
If she had her way,her so called great culture would be running things in Hawaii and without the white man they would be running it from mud huts built from iron sheets for roofs/ and she would not be opening her mouth because she would not have had any education for a start,she would have been just doing what native women do,get fucked and look after the mud hut!,she may have been less screwed up as well,dumb bitch.
rockcityaudio 8 months ago
Look at it like this,the strong take everything hell your lucky that any of you are left alive to bitch and moan,this ugly ass of whore would be gang raped and put in her place then she might not be so mouthy.a good beating would shut her ugly mouth.
even the american Indians would kill other weaker tribes and take their women(but not this bitch)they would just kill her she is not worth a shit.
its like if ALIENS landed here,they would take what we got and fry our asses!hehehe
rockcityaudio 9 months ago
@rockcityaudio why do you call her such names?
painlessreturns 8 months ago
@derwentalia, u dont know what u r talking about, u bragging about your college degrees, what an idiot, that shows how retarded u r. what does your degree has to do with the truth about our history. Majority of the people on the globe dont know the details of our history period. U r full of it, the hatred, perverting, misery pride foolishness ignorant, what an insult for u, very disrespectful, u really need to get a life, u sound like u dont have one, u need to throw that rubbish out of your hea
CWMaua12 9 months ago
Too many people r very ignorant about our history, and i love to repeat, we r not africans or europeans, our ancesters (The Native Americans) settled the Islands before the Europeans and the Africans discovered our Islands, so, u all need to leave it or get a life.
CWMaua12 9 months ago
sO is this bitch saying that dark people are evil.. lol she sounds like a idiot to me.
vaea46 9 months ago
Man lets face it,you Hawaiians are on the whole but with a few exceptions fucking butt ugly fat lazy fucks.Look at this ugly ass bitch in the video, shit she cant even be bothered to dye her ugly ass hair,for sure she loves pussy more than dick.
rockcityaudio 9 months ago
@rockcityaudio Yep you are most likely very right about that hate filled old gross woman. She is Haulani Trask Professor for Life at UH. Salary is paid for by the state and she is untouchable. She's living good while her "people" languish in homelessness. She is the rabid mouthpiece for the poor Hawaiians (part white herself) and has and never will do anything for them.Just collects a fat salary from UH.Her religion is herself. The politicians suck up to her also.
justcallmeassinine 9 months ago
The fact is Hawaiians weren't indigenous to these islands. Scientific and Anthropologic evidence shows they migrated from other islands in Polynesia. So in reality, they're "haoles" just like the rest of us.
Oh, and to those of filipino, portuguese, japanese, chinese, tongan, samoan and of other descents outside of Hawaii...guess what? YOU'RE HAOLES!!!
xximsmarterthanuxx 10 months ago
@xximsmarterthanuxx the fact is youre an ignorant asshole who clearly doesnt understand what indigenous means to indgenous people. it means, dickhead, we have been here for so long that no one can remember anymore when we originally arrived. this "anthropologic evidence" (i got my undergrad degree as a sociology/anthropology double major btw) of which you speak is incomplete at best and consistently disregards oral histories....let alone provide a reliable date.
derwentalia 9 months ago
@derwentalia Unfortunately, i dont have a computer at home, i just have the chance to be at the library and now i got your message, ok, its ok when your very ignorant about the truth of (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints), which is the only true church. Before God the Father and Goddess the Mother, (our Heavenly Parents) created the universe, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints (was) so, and the Book of Mormon is indeed the word of our Heavenly Parents, so, get a life.
CWMaua12 9 months ago
@derwentalia The truth is, i know my history, we r not africans or europeans, we r the desendants of the (Native Americans), Africans and Europeans r know mixed with our people (The Islanders). Native Americans settled the Islands before the Slave Trade, so now, in the Islands, African&European culture, tradition& language r blending into our culture,tradition&language, and its the same as the U.S.A. and other countries. So, i hope this truth will at least enlightened u & u bcareful w/pride.
CWMaua12 9 months ago
@derwentalia I cant tell that u have a serious problem and no one can change that, but u. so, your rebelliousness will not going to do any good for u, but it will suffer u with misery and destruction so if u receive this message get it thru your head, u r just making a damn fool out of yourself.
CWMaua12 9 months ago
my point being that hawaiians have been there for longer than your white ancestors decided to move out of their dank caves in central europe. my point being that hawaiians are native and indigenous to their tribal homelands for far longer than rome or greece can lay claim to their respective areas. my point being, you puke, that we are talking 10s of thousands of years not a few thousand. but, like the racist puke you are, you will continue to think you have a case to make. sad sad sad.
derwentalia 9 months ago
Haunani-Kay Trask is a racist, hate mongering bigot and is no different than Hitler.
xximsmarterthanuxx 10 months ago
actually, shes very different (god, do i really have to spell it out?). hitler was a european dude. he believed in the lie of a master race (whites). he killed 6 million jews and a few million others including catholics, homosexuals, political dissidents, members of his own junta. haunani is a hawaiian woman. speaks out against the lie of a master race (whites). and has not killed 6 million jews and a few million others. learn. history.
derwentalia 9 months ago
@xximsmarterthanuxx You are correct about Trask.Don't forget to add that she also cheered the 9/11 terrorists ! No doubt she will someday discover the missing link between Islam and Polynesia.Really she has a lot in common with Professor David Duke ( Ukraine University of Hatred) . If only we could put these two shitheads in a ring together and watch them try to kill each other.
justcallmeassinine 9 months ago
@justcallmeassinine and what link would that be?
painlessreturns 8 months ago
@painlessreturns I said Ms Trask will provide it in one of her writings or talks if she has not already done so. Read my comment again.
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
@justcallmeassinine your choice of words towards someone that offers a different opinion than you is what I mean. But that is not what you said. Your comment appears that "you" know some link between polynesians and Islam and that she doesn't. As if you know something she doesn't.
painlessreturns 8 months ago
@painlessreturns I don't know how you get that out of my old comment,but so you a fan of Trask are you ?
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
@justcallmeassinine the status of the comment is not the question...(you responded to it). So what she cheered the 9/11 terrorists. I believe that is why you criticize her. I'm no fan of no one. I wonder why people attack others for what they do. Your reason for even commenting on this video probably means you are of the LDS faith and that you intend to draw some conspiratorial conclusion between her beliefs about mormonism and her beliefs about 9/11. Kind of bias if you ask me.
painlessreturns 8 months ago
@painlessreturns Glad to hear you are no fan of that washed up witch of political correctness Hawaiian style. And no I wish to have nothing to do with the Marmots and their fairy tales,so you are wrong about my faith.
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
@justcallmeassinine great...have a good one.
painlessreturns 8 months ago
@painlessreturns u2
justcallmeassinine 8 months ago
Lamanites=Niggers is what this theology comes down to. Us polynesians are not cursed! Bunch of lies by a polygamous group in the wild wild west. We are of asian origin not native american. LDS god is a white man by their own theology. the white puritan missionaries from america were bunch of snakes and vipers. watch out for them wolves polynesian people. that conoe does not look like an isrealite boat as shown in the book of mormon. we are of asian origin, not native amercan or semite.
aloha!
hamogunjafarmer 11 months ago
@hamogunjafarmer aloha, I know where you are.
SFOgrunt 11 months ago
all the book of mormon is, is more white supremacist insanity. they are a sick culture concerned only with oppression, abuse, lies and hypocrisies. if i didnt know any better i would say they are the satan their religion speaks about (beware false prophets, wolves in sheeps clothing, and the prince of lies and all of that). they fit the bill alright.
derwentalia 9 months ago
if da egyptians R black, n Ethopians R black, then what colour r Jews- Israelites - 1 million of them scattered intoo africa, where they were sold as Bond men n woman, who were they sold 2. Egyptians R africans 2day.. do not mix a African and a Black American, u can tell the spirits n there features r not da same. One question. if Israelites lost there right 2 b over all nations - and God gave authority 2 Esau - then what is the greatest way to DECEIVE the world. its destroying ones history.
vaea46 1 year ago
if u dnt know wats happening. God in da beginning made everything, wat u might not know - God choose a nation 2 be over all other nations n that nation was ISRAEL - Israel disobeyed, n 4 dat - God banished them, put them in2 slavery - cursed them, wif poverty, n they will not see there homeland again, until the 2nd coming of CHRIST - Issac had 2 sons - Rebecca - had 2 nations- Esau & Jacob - Jacob was normal - but esau came out Red - when u get a white man shamed, wat happens. - Egyptians r blak
vaea46 1 year ago
making up shit doesnt make it real. you believing in shit, doesnt make it real. claiming to be an expert in shit, however, is beyond argument.
derwentalia 9 months ago
U can call me racist, mayb i am, let me ask u this - If Colour wasnt the issue, then why was the IMAGE of Jesus (YAHAWSHI) and MOSE and all the prophets changed from different shades of Brown to White (Red skin-crackers) - I'm sick of people telling me, well its not about the COLOUR - then why is it so - that when u ask what is Jesus colour they go Black - but if Jesus is black n is a Jew then who are these white caucausians in Israel today, n why did missionaries kill many 2 potrait dis image.
vaea46 1 year ago
Mormon is KKK undercover. Joseph Smith is just another white bastid, who thinks its ok to live on blood land stolen by his forefathers. Prepare for slaughter Esau - U N your wicked empire will fall - WHAT is the difference between the Catholics White supremist group and the Mormon KKK - they want 2 brain wash the native, and change the Statues and the images of God and Jesus - Jesus came for the Lost sheep of ISRAEL, Mose came 4 Israel - God choose Jacob over Esau the father of White devils.
vaea46 1 year ago
Pure bullshit/fiction!!!!! What a joke! We proud natives know God is the only truth. The creator of all peoples not just mormons. The creator of our world ,the sun, the stars, the universe. God has the sun rise for everyone not just mormons. Take back your land my proud native brothers and sisters. mormon=religion, god=truth
beone011 1 year ago
Trask is right here, although I've noticed she uses the word prostitute and it's variations a lot in her works. Did anyone else read her book 'From a Native Daugther"?
humanistheart 1 year ago
Haunani-Kay Trask is a hypocritical half white want a be racist. A true nut job that teaches hate.
It's sad that so many listen to this bitter loveless old maid.
voglbop 1 year ago
@voglbop Actually, Haunani-Kay is 3/4 Hawaiian. She is a descendant of Hawaiians chiefs from both sides of her ancestry. The only mix in her is because her grandfather from her father's side was white if I recall correctly. I had to opportunity to meet her one time and I have to say I was really moved to see a Hawaiian who wasn't afraid of other's opinions and a Hawaiian who spoke out against American colonialism and oppression in Hawaii and the Pacific Islands in general. Ku'e, ku'e ku'e!!!
fijikid80 1 year ago
jealousy is SO unattractive.
derwentalia 9 months ago
why not both indian and asian?fuccin either way we are from the tribe of mannaseh or ephraim.the enemies are the gentiles and all those who oppose the church.fucc em.
3 nephi 20:13
gaddiantonrobber 1 year ago
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joshua81em 2 years ago
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joshua81em 2 years ago
I wont set myself on fire but i will crush your skull and bones into a fine powder and feed it to my dogs.fuck native Hawaiians,the japs would have stuck your ugly baby's on a bayonet,you should all be wiped out anyway.
most of you so called Hawaiians are lazy ugly fat pigs and half breeds on welfare.
its rare to see a good