Did Flight 93 really crash in Shanksville? (Part Two)

[donaldstafford]

iserial did it nwo

[333burwi]

gov. tom ridge !!!!!!!

[EagleIntuition]

Debris? Let's get real.....don't you see them panning over the site over and over again to try to find SOMETHING to show the viewers?

[TheProfessional53]

a 757 crash leaving a very small hole in the ground and a bunch of pieces of debris everywhere? im sorry, i dont buy it

[khalid6591]

and that small hole was there even befor the crash ???

[TheProfessional53]

hell it could have been...but either way a giant passenger jet such as flight 93 could NOT in any possible way have caused such a small crater in the ground after a head on crash

[xxJoeCrookxx]

I'm mad confused i thought they found 95% of the plane at the site? and what happend to all those people?

[utubelurkr]

maybe it was blasted into atoms LOL

[utubelurkr]

It's fun to watch these bone heads trying to make themselves believe the shit thay are saying saying

[updougdown]

(1) A large crater in the ground.

(2) No real amount of debris.

(3) Surrounding buildings all undamamged.

[Denierbud11]

"(2) No real amount of debris."

Lie

[godsfiddler]

The video itself says there's very little debris.

[Denierbud11]

Little does not equal no debris

Gee, a plane dives into the ground at 500 mph - what do you think will happen?

[muzicmaker2001]

here's some other plane dives at over 500 mph for a comparison:

killtown*911review*org/flight9­3/crash-comparisons*html

[Denierbud11]

M&M

Are you a killtown sock puppet?

[muzicmaker2001]

killtown, 911myths, popular mechanics. What does it matter, right? Just showing a reference used to base logic on.

[Denierbud11]

yeah - I can see how the Lockerbie plane that exploded in mid air can be compared to Shanksvile

[muzicmaker2001]

I thought what we were comparing was the impact, the speed at which the plane impacted and the amount of debris found? No?

[Denierbud11]

An intact plane striking the ground at 500 mph will not produce the same debri field as a plane that blows up 10,000 feet in the air

[muzicmaker2001]

You're only referencing one example. Using logic, more than one example should be used for a comparison.

[Denierbud11]

It came from the page you referenced me to ... its your example

[muzicmaker2001]

There are a total of 6 examples of plane crashes of that page. Did you miss the other 5? Plus those into your logic equation....

[godsfiddler]

Yeah, but doesn't it make you wonder why they could identify most or all of the passengers on the other planes, yet they haven't found any bodies in this case?

[Denierbud11]

What the hell are you talking about, they identified every one on the plane with DNA??

Who the hell told you that lie?

[muzicmaker2001]

Yes, nothing but small specs left from the plane, but they found the DNA from all the passengers? Can you post that DNA report or haven't you actually seen it? Please start using your head.

[Denierbud11]

Have you ever seen any actual DNA report? Not everything is posted on the internet - if you want to SEE it, try a FOIA request

[muzicmaker2001]

It just seems that there are alot of blind assumptions related to 911 with no actual evidence seen.

[vengencefrom1979]

@muzicmaker2001 dont you know that the federal goverment keeps dna files on all possible victims of terroists attacks?

[godsfiddler]

I thought they hadn't been able to find any DNA. They may have used the passenger list to determine who was on that plane, but I haven't heard a thing about them finding their bodies. Unless you can post a link stating that they identified all or almost all of them. I would be willing to read it. Like I said, not saying the plane never existed, but I do wonder what happened to all of them.

[Denierbud11]

Its been reported many times

I sent you a link from an article in 2006!

[Denierbud11]

Don't fit.

[thedayitriedtodie]

i don't understand what's ur opinion....

[Denierbud11]

The ravine from the 1994 image runs north to south - the impact crater runs more east to west and is not identical

its not the same

[thedayitriedtodie]

well, a smarter argument from u, would be to ask me how do we know it's 94??? we don't...

just like u can't tell the direction, but it did look the same....

i'l check it out....

[Denierbud11]

"would be to ask me how do we know it's 94??? "

Do you think they (whoever you may think they may be) would post a fake photo and label it 1994? If so, why even leave a ravine in the photo?

You aren't very good at this are you?

It did not look the same -- and you can tell the direction by looking at the road, which did not change

[thedayitriedtodie]

mmmm,, i see

[thedayitriedtodie]

can u link me, pls?

i cant find it!

[Denierbud11]

Google image flight 93 crash site

[thedayitriedtodie]

i've seen it, now, it's on the right here....

yes, it does look diferent...

Do you think they (whoever you may think they may be) would post a fake photo and label it 1994? If so, why even leave a ravine in the photo?

what did u mean?

[Denierbud11]

"would be to ask me how do we know it's 94"

Why did you ask how do we know its from 1994 when its clearly labeled on the photo its from 1994?

Either the satelite photo is valid and authentic or its not

[thedayitriedtodie]

my point is that someone wrote it's 94 in the video, there's no date there...it could be a lie, that's what i mean.

that's why i thought u were gonna argument over the autenticity of the date

i see what u mean now...

[thedayitriedtodie]

the date distracts u from the picture, because ur first instinct is to doubt the date.

[Denierbud11]

Ok then, at the end of the day, the older image is immaterial, it does NOT show that the hole or scars from the plane were present prior to the crash.

[dalllas71]

Just for fun, go look at satellite images of Shanksville sight well before 9-11-01. Those "wing marks" are actually a ravine that's always been there. The sad truth is that some people just can't see the stop sign right in front of their face. The best place to hide something really is in plain sight I guess. Then again hiding it works as well.

[Denierbud11]

"Just for fun, go look at satellite images of Shanksville sight well before 9-11-01. Those "wing marks" are actually a ravine that's always been there"

This is a lie

[muzicmaker2001]

"This is a lie "

I just glanced at it, but here it is:

terraserver-usa*com/image*aspx­?T=1&S=10&Z=17&X=3393&Y=22177&­W=1

[dalllas71]

What many do not understand is that there's so much footage of airplane crashes and yet these wackos think that actual and recorded photography has somehow been altered in some way. Further, the almost complete omission of any live footage of Shanksville lends further curiosity to the fact that we weren't supposed to get a very good look at it in the first place. Same thing in D, no airplane ever found.

[johnnygroover]

every one knows

if you hit something at high speed

you will vaporize

[sa3atsky]

for sure! makes sense they all vaporized disintegrated into tiny fragments not visible to the naked eye .. thats how far our understanding of science and physics got us..

[Denierbud11]

Guys go for those strawman arguments huh? Why not try to do some original research on the crash site?

[sa3atsky]

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

[Denierbud11]

Yep - and describes your attack on the vaporized theory -- unless you can show part of NIST or the 911 Commission in which they talk about vaproized remains

[Cyanic814]

Sorry, go look up what a real plane crash looks like.

[Denierbud11]

I have and Shanksville matches other plane crashes - the ones you will not find on your twoofer sites

But you would not know this would you?

[Cyanic814]

Now I know you're partial, because what you just said is pure fucking bullshit, kid. And how does a plane CRASH and LEAVE A CRATER when the debris is spread over a 4-mile radius? Where's the fire from the fuel? Where's the twisted metal?  Oh, right.

Why were the engines found at the Pentagon smaller than a 757? Why did WTC7 fall just as the others? Why did it fall, period?

I don't visit twoofer sites.

[Denierbud11]

Funny how you make this comment

"pure fucking bullshit"

then go through all the truther bullshit about 4 mile radius, fire, etc.

[Cyanic814]

Yeah, "truther bullshit".... Because you're government is looking out for you, right? Because they're for the general good, right?

You want to debate me on this? Are you that partial and convinced? Second-hand info-fed American. Suck in that TV you zombie. Your Steelers will be on soon enough.

I'll reiterate.... How does a plane CRASH and LEAVE A CRATER when the WHOLE of the plane is spread over a 4-mile radius? It doesn't.

Are you busy drinking your anti-depressant water and

[thedayitriedtodie]

can u link me some???

[Cyanic814]

Irrelevant sources.

[thedayitriedtodie]

lol, as if u have read it, urself, u clown...Denierbud11...

notice how the anchor, in the very end realizes, herself, when she says «no bigger than a phonebook» check it....now, can u realize it too???

stop being an idiot.

[Denierbud11]

"stop being an idiot"

It takes a special degree in stupid to be a no planer

[MarCavalier23]

This guy below me is a complete idiot!!

I can see it, a 2 yr old can see it, a small crater on the floor but no Boeing 757??

Made up passengers, no executions!! why? BECAUSE THERE WERE 0 FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE AIRPORT WAITING FOR THERE LOVED ONES!!!!

[richardcameron]

So from this I gather the government is holding or has executed over 200 passengers?

Gee, if that's your conclusion, do you stop there? This fucker did. Because a few simple phone calls would immediately uncover all Delta passengers, alive and well. But apparently, this guy didn't have time to make those calls.

He only had time to make this video.

This dishonors the great American heros who forced this flight down.

Want the real story?

See: 9/11 Debunked: 95% of United 93 found

[jetplane2006]

Any (yankee) engineer or physicist will tell you. There is no such thing as 'debris' or 'wreckage' and it is unamerican to think so!

[TheWebMagician]

This whole conspiracy theory was started by a bunch of uneducated bored kids who have no respect for the families of the victims. Everyone should be appalled & outraged at this nonsense. It would be great if these kids weren't trying to advance themselves financially on the misfortune of others. If only these young kids would use their time to invent things to make the world a better place. There are so many problems that need solving in the world.

[gothetruth]

Looks like you have no respect for the families of the victims. I want to get to those who is responsible for this!

[briandben]

Ok i live in Shanksville i was in school when it went down. i heard and felt the shake and the noise and saw the smoke. i was in 4th grade. one of the high school teachers which was on the top floor of my high school saw 2 planes flying behind flight 93 if they shot it down or not we don't know. but there are people who saw it go down say it was shot down it is something we will never find out for sure or not.

[notdumdum1]

@briandben YEAH! I belive you, but where are the bodies, baggages, the plane? for goodness sake. WHERE?

[CherryColorado]

I freakin'agree-yo!

[ZedProductionZZ]

i can make that crash site easy! all i need is about 10 bars of C4 inside a metal dusbin.

[ColonelAllan]

lol well said.

[GARY171064]

Tragic that people have to die to prove a point but todays english newspapers are full of photos of a incident that happened yesterday.

A twin-engined Cessne jet crashed into two houses on a estate killing all 5 people on board. Witnesses saw a massive fireball as the plane crashed, a la pentagon.

The pictures in the papers and the news footage clearly show plane wreckage.....

This was obviously a REAL plane and not one of those flimsy 757's that evapourated at the pentagon/shanksville on 911

[ianlondeo]

They are probably in Iron Mountain.

[ianlondeo]

I think the government killed the passengers after it landed, or has them imprisoned somwhere.

[rseveran]

They found nothing larger than a phone book.

Wouldn't it take a significant part of the plane to make that big hole in the ground?

Apparently the government wants us to believe that 2+2=0. It doesn't take a genius to see that something is very wrong with this story.

watch?v=-59kouBgO_s

[rushfan9thcmd]

something is very wrong with that hole!!

[EGol712]

You do know that the terrorists were carrying a bomb on board as well as planning to crash the building somewhere else, don't you?

[rushfan9thcmd]

and you know they were carrying it because??

[Rhein222]

So if the plane never crashed and landed in Ohio wtf did they do with the people on board?

[DavidLynch007]

They probably killed them, sadly.

[Me4678]

Then what happend in Shanksville, a missle hit the ground? Shut up with this crap about "Flight 93 landing in Ohio" and "explosives made the WTC's collapse." I didn't even bother to watch this video. All these videos are a waste of time.

[jakoxn]

sinkholes like you are impossible to convince. 9/11 was an inside job, and you will see in time

[marine9681]

we will never see such things like this. we still cant get answers about area 51. imagine what effect that would have on America to know that our government will purposely put us in danger.CHAOS. A major break down. but no matter what America stays divided on things like this at home for a second. remember the mike moore movie. it stirred up some shit but that was it. what we believe is in the hands of the media not the government.

[TertiusOculusOris]

It's a job for Mythbusters...

[DavidLynch007]

No, because it's not a myth. All you have to do is LOOK! 9/11 was an inside job!!!

[DavidLynch007]

You will see VERY soon (within the next decade) that 9/11 was an inside job. They did it TO US!

[muzicmaker2001]

Hmm?

youtube[dot]com/watch?v=5sfyUU­z-rD4&mode=related&search

youtube[dot]com/watch?v=_gliHO­hXYFQ&mode=related&search=

[DR3HACK]

I can't believe you people who think that flt.93 didn't crash in PA.What a disgrace to the victims.Are you people crash experts?The truth is that we Americans are HATED and Loved around the world.We were attacked by HATERS.If you would use your brains and look at the crash site photos you will see that all the trees just beyond the impact are completely burnt.Obvoiusly from a huge fireball caused by the explosion on impact.The real truth they HATE you too.

[lifime]

how stupid r u!

look at the facts fool!

[JamesCoelho]

Watch you tube's 9/11 coincidences, I never thought that these "rumors" were true, but watch that and look at the science of everything put in front of you. Irrefutable evidence from real science experts.

[Yerizzo]

LoL, and how do you know it's flight 93? Just because they told you it was? If you went there not knowing anything, you wouldn't even consider a plane had crashed there. Besides, the supposed "wing" damage on the ground was already there. Sattelite pictures from 1994 proves it. Common sense and critical thinking, learn how to use it.

[Sheehan45]

I believe all of this, this had to be an inside job. How is it possible for a plane to crash into the god damn Pentagon and only cause a 16 foot wide hole in the side. And how is it that a jet engine just dissapears. I believe everything in this video but the one thing I want to know is if United 93 didn't crash, where are the people being kept?

[mowgli1469]

Being kept...?...they're ash...funny how DNA testing was used to "identify" the victims and perps of WTC and Pentagon...What about the dirt in Shanksville...?...any DNA story there...?...not likely

[mjwible27]

@Sheehan45 yeah, and what the was Class Bravo airspace, which is restricted for civilian aircraft to enter, but magically flight 77 got thru it unscathed, while flying over 100 knots of it's max operating speed as well.

[fpsarman]

i am so sick of these ass holes who keep trying to make themselves look like geniuses by trying to prove that 9/1 was fake/an inside job get a life

[DavidLynch007]

That's because you've never taken the time to consider the other side's opinions/facts. You will see VERY soon that 9/11 was an inside job!!! YOU get a life! America Is Doomed!

[muzicmaker2001]

"The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells. So far, no contamination has been discovered." Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman (10/03/01)

Where did the jet fuel go? There was supposedly 5,500 gals of fuel on board at the time of impact?

[muzicmaker2001]

Al-Nami was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 93. Al-Nami said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."

[muzicmaker2001]

Saeed Alghamdi, was identified by the FBI of being a hijacker of Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. Alghamdi was "shocked and furious" to learn this three days after the attack, noting that his name, place of residence, date of birth, and occupation matched those described by the FBI. "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive," said Alghamdi, who considered legal action against the FBI

[daviddoyler2323]

Maybe The Plane was shot down and blown to bits by the CIA ?

[josephkrolikowski]

Interesting collection of facts....however I would think that the victim's families would have raised some hell on this by now.

[muzicmaker2001]

Search any of the following: "jersey girls, Justice for 911, 911 press for truth, Spitzer, Mindy Kleinberg, David Potorti, Ellen Mariani and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

[Lungyao1]

I think the victims families have spoken out on these and other issues.