Child - Pro Life Music Video - Prolife

[HowardSternn]

There are 250 Abortions a day

[Blackcat51292]

I want to watch the entire video. I went to that website, but I couldn't find it :(

[Blackcat51292]

nevermind

[Hammeron2M]

It stings to see this,to abort is unlawfull let alone illegal.We have a concience and the comments will show you that,wether you want to acknowledge yours or not.We all need to be forgiven,all have sinned...

[AGR04]

CLUMP...OF...CELLS!!!!!

[jualkyn]

@AGR04 we're all a clump of cells. every living thing is.

[boxoflunch93]

ok, would you rather have a kid suffer through a shitty life or have him not suffer at all, i think abortion is completley right because kids wont have to suffer through a shitty life, and thats why most people who get abortions do, because they know that the kid would have a bad life if it was ever born

[Cupcakekun]

12 times is the right statistic, however I cannot find the link to back it up. The link I am using says 10 times safer then childbirth, which is close enough.

[Cupcakekun]

rape

noun

4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

verb

7. to plunder (a place); despoil.

8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

verb (used without object)

[Cupcakekun]

"In February 2003, a panel of experts convened by the National Cancer Institute to evaluate the scientific data concluded that studies have clearly established that "induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk." Furthermore, comprehensive reviews of the data have concluded that a vacuum aspiration procedure in the first trimester poses virtually no risk to future reproductive health."

See....

[Cupcakekun]

And cervical cancer is not a result of abortion, there is no links between the two and "WASHINGTON - No high-quality study done to date can document that having an abortion causes psychological distress, or a "post-abortion syndrome," and efforts to show it does occur appear to be politically motivated, U.S. researchers said on Thursday."

Post-abortion syndrome pretty much doesn't exist.

[lizmov]

It does exist. and abortion is linked to breast-cancer... Abortion kills over 50% of those who experience the procedure..

[Cupcakekun]

If it does exist then prove it, I trust a high study before you and the second statistic is completely fabricated. Abortion is 12 times safer then childbirth. Abortion isn't linked to breast cancer at all, abortion went up and the consumption of cabbage went down, so could the lack of cabbage be causing it?

[lizmov]

Obviously you missed the point of my statement. And Rowen, is why abortion is wrong. There are kids like Rowen born each year, but people like you would rather see them die.

[Cupcakekun]

Abortion is actually safer the carrying a pregnancy to term. Abortion is also no way linked to breast cancer. You just openly made up statistics and posted false ones. You made no mention of "Rowen" or whoever.

[lizmov]

PAS exists, and abortion is linked to breast cancer. I just cant post the links because the youtube thing wont let me. and answer me this, what is the shortest length of time a mother can carry her baby and it be born alive?

[Cupcakekun]

You can post links you just have to type out the sitedotcom. The Washington Post has reconized that post-abortion syndrome does not exist. msnbcdotmsndotcom / id / 28050494 / from / ET /

Death occurs in 0.0006% of all legal surgical abortions (one in 160,000 cases). These rare deaths are usually the result of such things as adverse reactions to anesthesia, embolism, infection, or uncontrollable bleeding. In comparison, a woman's risk of death during pregnancy and childbirth is ten times greater

[lizmov]

You are an idiot. You keep missing the point and changing your statistics.. And my proof comes from abortionfacts(dot)com, ive tried typing it out adn with dot and it doesnt work and ive tried(dot) neither works.

[Cupcakekun]

You fail to understand law, society, and forensics. Do I really want to carry a rapists baby and be punished? When people get pregnant everyone talks about it: they call you a slut and make things up and gossip, I get punished. The rapist has no physical evidence and he can walk around in public without being ridiculed. And meanwhile the rape kit is just sitting there going untested.

[Cupcakekun]

Yea. They marked it as spam because they don't want people to know the truth.

[emeraldcreations]

Great Video!!! Well done.

[VictorShmoon]

Abortion is murder.Thou shalt not kill(Exodus 20:13)

[redfan45x]

oh realy but then in the bible it also says you can stone your kids to death....

[arlihama]

Which part was that? o_O

[Prolifegirl1110]

Pro-life is the only way. Great video

[Cupcakekun]

Pro-choice is the way for me!

[arlihama]

Pro-choice defeats its own purpose... because have you ever considered what the child's choice was?

[Cupcakekun]

Pro-life defeats itself over and over again? Why? Because it is hypocritical of itself. If something is allowed to live in my body against my will then rape would be legal and organ theft would also be made legal because forcing a woman to carry out an unwanted pregnancy against her will is the same thing.

[SanityFilms]

this is one of the most ridiculous arguments for pro-choice i have ever heard... it makes absolutely no sense... oh my...

[Cupcakekun]

It actually makes quite a bit of sense. Do you want someone to be allowed to invade your body against your will? The fetus is doing just that.

[Cupcakekun]

@SanityFilms

I am saying simply that being pro-life is hypocritical.

[arlihama]

If, for example, it was your child...because you were raped. Just an example. You get raped, get pregnant, have a baby, sue the man who raped you. Done. You don't have to kill the child and you don't give yourself cervical cancer, thanks. And does pro-choice really have to include killing the child? You can just give it to a more accepting family after it gets born. The choice to keep the child or not doesn't have to include abortion. It can be about giving it a different life.

Just an example.

[Cupcakekun]

I would refuse to carry a rapists child. There are tons of reasons why. Do you even know what a lawsuit includes? It has testifying and they try to make you look like a slut? Plus hundreds of rape kits go untested so it is likely impossible for the man who raped me to get punished, why should I be punished for his actions. It is my choice to have an abortion. It is your choice to keep it. End of story.

[arlihama]

So you're going to punish the child for a crime he did not commit? You'll take an innocent life knowingly? If you don't want to keep the child, give him to someone who has plans for him. Even if you can't punish the supposed father... There is no need to let a child taste the pain of hatred that you had for a rapist. Just end the cycle of hate. That's it.

[Cupcakekun]

I did end the cycle of hate, I got and abortion and I dealt with it. It was my choice. Well how can you punish a victim of rape with a child that she did not consent to having. She didn't want it and she never consented to sex in the first place. It won't taste any pain at all because abortions pretty much kill instantly. How can you punish a woman with a crime that she did not commit? How can you take her life away knowingly?

[lizmov]

"how can you take her life away knowingly?"

the exact same thing can be said for female babies, who are aborted."

[Cupcakekun]

No connection has been established between cervical cancer and abortion, no connection has been established between breast cancer and abortion. While breast feeding does reduce the chance of breast cancer abortion does absouletly nothing to it.

[lizmov]

Rape is not something living inside you. And organ theft, is taking something outside of your body against your will. How does that relate to abortion?

[Cupcakekun]

Rape is the unlawful act of invading ones body. If something is using your body against your will then it is rape. Organ theft would be having ones internal organs removed against their will. Rape is using someone's body against their will, organ theft is using someone's body against their will, and forced pregnancy is the exact same thing. It relates because of bodily domain which means that if something is invading my body against my will I can do whatever I want to remove it, under law.

[lizmov]

Rape is the unlawful act of sticking something somewhere unwanted for 30 seconds or more. The way you make it sound, then a tape worm would be raping you. And so would a baby.

[Cupcakekun]

Exactly, anything that is somewhere unwanted should not be there. Tape worms consume nutrients without my permission and fetuses do the same thing. It is a civil right to remove anything inside of your body that you do not want there.

[lizmov]

It is not a right to killa human, unless your life is in danger or it is the government executing a murderer. And teenager mothers, I am sorry but their lives most likely wont be in danger. You just confirmed tape worms are raping people, wow you truly are an idiot.

[Cupcakekun]

She is in danger. Hello, it is an unwanted baby and it is causing her harm and is not doing anything for her body. If she doesn't want to be pregnant she shouldn't have to be. The tape worms are seizing the nutrients as are the fetuses. The dictionary proves it. Their lives are very much in danger: they are more likely to die in childbirth, pregnant women are often targeted for attacks and society frowns upon them. I think that is pretty shitty. Your the moron you can't see the truth.

[lizmov]

In danger refers to the mother will die if she carries the baby to term. Abortion is not safer than childbirth, you keep changing from 10x times to 12x safer and back again. She CHOSE to have sex. Every mistake has a consequence. In rape, well only 1% of abortions are because of rape. Society doesn't from upon pregnant women, they open doors for them, ask how they are doing, ask" how is your BABY" etc.. An you're the idiot as you can't use you/you're correctly and think tapeworms rape people.

[Cupcakekun]

My friend got pregnant and people are talking about her like a slut. A lot of rapes go unreported so that statistic isn't really reliable. So if I walk across the street and I get hit by a car should they just let me die because it is my consequence? I posted a definition dear, perhaps you should read it. Rape is not always a sexual thing.

[lizmov]

Abortion clinics allow a lot of statutory rapes to go unreported. Getting hit by car, for crossing at a crosswalk, is not a mistake, if you j-walked, then your consequence is you are in the hospital and might die from internal injuries. You do know that since most abortions are pre-formed within the first 3 months, you can only compare those who dies within the first three months of pregnancy, right? And there is a big difference between 12 and 10 percent. a 20% difference.

[Cupcakekun]

There is something called Dr. Patient confidentiality. The clinic is powerless in that sort of situation and if they don't provide the girls with some sort of care there is a chance she may take a coathanger or seriously harm herself in order to induce a miscarriage. Plus you want them to stay pregnant even if they are victims of rape. I am not your human baby oven and consent to one thing does not equal consent to another.

[lizmov]

Doesn't apply in rape/abuse cases. I dont think that you should kill another human being that has done nothing wrong. Abortion ends a life. Consent to sex means you consent to all the consequences.

[Cupcakekun]

First off I can consent to one thing but not the other. Not all sex results in pregnancy. I can consent to certain sex acts but by consenting to one doesn't mean I consent to all the others. I do not think you should force your beliefs on others so there. I think that abortion is a perfectly acceptable way to deal with the consequences.

[lizmov]

It is not fine to KILL another human being, when it is more convenient for you, for the other human being to no longer exist.

[Cupcakekun]

It is not fine to force a woman into pregnancy no matter what the circumstances. It is easy for you to say you want abortion to be illegal yet the majority of women who get abortions say they should be illegal but then get one and go on saying that stuff. It's BS and it's stupid. 73% of women feel relief, for a small percentage to control over 73% of the female population is an abomination. My body my choice.

[lizmov]

73%, wheres that statistic from?? You are an idiot. You don't answer questions I ask you, or admit to what you find "fine". You EVERYONE who supports ABORTION has already been born. You never think about the CHILD'S choice. by your logic, men could go on and rape women, because it's their body, their choice.

[Cupcakekun]

Its from one of the news articles I sent you. You never think about the woman's choice. The fetus is incapable of rational thought and is in no position to make any decisions plus it is already breaking the law. Not even slightly true, you cannot force someone to claim rape or to testify in trial. You cannot do that. If it where up to you there would be 13 year olds on the stand and lawyers trying to say the seduced 30 year olds. Its her body her choice and if it was up to you....

[lizmov]

Saying evey child should be a wanted child, is saying life only matters when the mother of the child says it matters. you find infanticide just fine and dandy if it is not ok for the mother. Ok, babies aren't breaking the law. Babies, can't really think for them selves immediately when they are born. They don't reason, by your logic it should fine to kill babies until they are ten years old, when memory becomes easier and children can start to reason. the women's CHOICE was to have sex.

[lizmov]

*ten should be two typo..

[Cupcakekun]

It isn't infanticide, the infant is outside of the womb when infanticide occurs. Wow. Pro-lifers really need to get dictionaries. They are, they are in your body against your will. The act of getting an abortion is an act of self defense. The fetus is in her body against her will she has the right to remove it. Killing Newborns is illegal because they are not inside of your body and you can just leave them wherever. Consent to one thing does not equal consent to another.

[LisaRosaBella]

umm...excuse me but the only way the child got inside your body is if you had sex and less than 1% of abortions are because of rape or incest thus it is more than likely the case that the child is in your body by your choice to have sex. And in no way is abortion an act of self-defense when it will only cause your body more harm than having the child and giving it up for adoption

[Cupcakekun]

Excuse me but abortion does not harm your body at all. It is 12 times safer than pregnancy. Who cares if abortion is for the woman's convence, its her body therefore her choice. 82% of women who get abortions are thankful. 17% claim that they regret it. Just knowing what you believe and what you want is more healthy. If you don't like abortion then don't have one, but if I get pregnant I will have one. Simple as that.

[tommyk77]

The mortality rate in child birth is much higher than abortion operations. Plus, this video shows an ca.8 month old baby; abortions take place much earlier, before the fetus is aware, has a functioning brain, has a nervous system, has separate fingers, has skin...etc

Stop pretending this is for the good of society. You are being unfair to those affected, including the child. People should base their views on reality, not religion

[Cupcakekun]

bodies of dead women would be everywhere. You have no respect for women and if you can't trust a woman with a choice how can you trust her with a child. Anti-choice is a misogynist campaign funded mainly by men. Pro-family, pro-child, pro-choice. Every baby should be a wanted one.

[lizmov]

Men have a say as well, its also their child. You don't think of the child's choice. There are bodies of dead children everywhere with abortion. Children that will never cray, never see daylight, never feel the warmth of the sun, never have a funeral. Abortion is the death penalty for innocent infants.

[Cupcakekun]

Men have no rights over a woman's body. If they want a child so badly then they can run off and adopt one. They cannot and will not ever have control of my body. End of story. Actually dead fetuses are classified as medical waste and are either cremated or brought to toxic waste dumps. Abortion is not a death penalty what so ever because you cannot even prove that a fetus is alive.

[lizmov]

What is it, dead then? Is it an inanimate object? Alive means not dead. Dead means once alive, but no longer living. (ie desks are not dead) You contradicted yourself. Way to go. The child is a much the father's as it is the mother's. You have flawed logic. You dont ask a pregnant mother how is your fetus. Babies, don't choose to appear. Sex can lead to pregnancy, you know that going in. That being said, why should you end an innocent life because it's inconvenient for you.

[Cupcakekun]

life

noun

1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

Fetuses cannot reproduce therefore they are not alive. They do not meet all of this criteria.

[lizmov]

Children who haven't gone through puberty cant reproduce yet either. I am going to stop arguing with someone who doesn't know the horrors of abortion and infanticide (its the term used to define the women aborting their children in China because they want boys not girls). I have read the facts on PAS. It shows up years later. I know murder is wrong. I believe abortion is murder. I know life begins at conception. (any bio text book will tell you this).

[Cupcakekun]

If you wanna see flawed logic look in the mirror. You want to give men the right to control a woman's body. Which is yes indeed also defined as rape. There's a thing about sex though, I can consent to one sex act but not another, I can consent to heavy petting and not consent to intercourse mind you, that because I consent to one thing it does not mean I consent to another. The father has no rights over a woman's body and if he wants a fetus so bad transplant it into him.

[lizmov]

Men can't have babies, the lack a uterus. The child belongs to him as much as it does the mother. The mother has no right to kill her child because it's inconvenient for her. So i guess by your logic it is rape, for my dad to tell me I can't have a nose job. There is an example of a man controlling my body.

[Cupcakekun]

First off, he is not forcing himself on you and he is not taking anything from you. He is not controlling your body in any manner. That's what rape is. You don't need a nose job, there is nothing invading your body, a woman needs an abortion if she wants one because of mental and physical health reasons. Plus for almost all medical procedures (surgeries, etc.) you need parental permission. A friend of mine got pregnant and her dad beat the living shit out of her because she wanted an abortion.

[tommyk77]

A nose job is a little smaller an issue than letting a fetus grow into a child for dogmatic reasons, don't you think?

[lizmov]

Wow. You do realize that abortion stops a heartbeat right? And that there are more late-term abortions than pro-abortionists will actually tell you.

[tommyk77]

So? A heart beat makes no difference. We have gotten ourselves into a population crisis and abortion is the only option we face. Humans are too unreliable to simply limit how many kids they have, so we need abortion rights.

Even with a heart beat, the child is never aborted in full grown state (it's illegal) and the child hasn't got any relationships, opinions, stories to tell, world experiences. Abortion is the right way forward

[lizmov]

So kill those who will never have shot in the world because it's "too crowded" sounds more like convenience bullcrap to me. And a child can aborted legally up till the day it is born.

[tommyk77]

Erm, no you can't. How far will you take this crap? Should we save ever sperm too? That's a potential life too, you know

[7dolor]

Techically, the debate is that the fetus is a human life, not potentially one.

[tommyk77]

That claim is a little slippery. How do you define human life? A fetus can't even feel pain

[7dolor]

First, I was not making a claim; I was just explaining something.

Second, here's a claim. With that logic, we could murder anyone as long as we put them under anesthetic.

[stevienickslover]

where do you beleave it stops being a clump of cells? one of those who beleaves only whn theres a birth cert?

[Cupcakekun]

So far I have disproven everything you have had to say. You have no points and no scientic evidence supporting you and you just continue to dig yourself a deeper hole you are a moron if you can't even read links or read articles or even ask a girl who's had an abortion about how she feels. Do you even know someone who has had an abortion?

[tommyk77]

it's not even a fully functioning creature when it is aborted. billions of sperm die in sex, are they innocent too?

If the kid isn't going to have loving parents, then abort it. Population is out of control, and abortion offers the safest, most ethical way of dealing with it.

Oh, and China have so many abortions because there is a one child rule. Don't let things escalate to that!

And lastly, find me a science book that says "life begins at conception" please

[lizmov]

Adoption is an option. If you screw up, deal with the consequences.

[tommyk77]

Think about the child. That's a very irresponsible comment you gave

[lizmov]

You're a hypocrite. It's a human life at conception. And we should kill them because they MIGHT have a horrible childhood? So just kill them right then and now to and eliminate all chances to enjoy life?

[tommyk77]

False claim. You have no way of proving life starts at conception. It's more complicated than that. What we know, is that the nervous system, the brain, the eyes etc take months to form. The fetus isn't even aware until the third trimester.

Abortion is the best option we have for combating over-population. Look at reality. We nee to sort stuff out and you right wing nutcases are not helping

[stevienickslover]

where you live,is it over populated? please dont attack me,lol, just a random question

[tommyk77]

yes

[stevienickslover]

is that yes to your area being over populated?

[DebCat129]

So I guess you know something that all scientists across the world don't know. Because they all agree undisputedly that life begins at conception. Do your homework, and stop listening to people that expel falsehoods. Do your own research and think for yourself.

[tommyk77]

Um, where do any scientists say that? Sam Harris for certain says that it's much more complicated. The brain and nervous system take many weeks to form.

Sperms and female's eggs are technically alive as they are cells, but can you explain to me the mechanism that switches making it a full blown conscious life simply when the cells join?

Honestly, every paper I've ever read on this (by a scientist) says that it is far too complicated to put a time stamp on conception.

[KeybladeMaster33]

Wow, you're dumb. You claim to have looked into this but obviously only as far as supporting your Anti-Life beliefs. Science has proved again and again that life begins at conception. A lot of scientists that you would be looking into are hypocritical in that they always love to look at things all the way to the logical beginning, unless it becomes too inconvenient. It's black and white, the only logical time for life to have begun is at the beginning, the beginning is conception, clear as day.

[tommyk77]

@KeybladeMaster33 "Science has proved again and again that life begins at conception"

You seem so sure. Can you provide a source?

Besides, I've changed my view on abortion since I left these comments. Women should have the right to abort a child up to just before it's born. It's just an illogical knee-jerk reaction we have as humans to feel uncomfortable with abortion.

Infanticide is even fine if the baby is severely handicapped and the parents don't want to raise it.

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 well the reason life is considered to begin at the moment of conception is that thats when the life process begins the sperm by itself isnt in the process of growing neither is the egg but when they are joined the life has begun to develop and therefore keeping it from developing would be cutting the life short no matter what stage of development its at

[tommyk77]

@19afterain Why is it relevant? Growth has no intrinsic value, as far as I can see.

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 It's not the growth that matters it's te beginning of life and the life process. Any stopping or cutting short of that life is murder.

[tommyk77]

@19afterain Why is that relevant?

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 if life is not relevant than why is it wrong to murder someone its no different than taking the life of an unborn child its simply taking the life at a later date

[tommyk77]

@19afterain Obviously not. An adult has friends, interests, opinions, history, a job. You're insulting your own intelligence if you think a fetus' life has the same worth as an adult's

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 having friends does not make a person a person, also a fetus has interests they enjoy music, the sound of their mothers voice, they suck their thumbs, also opinions come with age a one year old baby has no real opinions, also an unborn fetus/child undergoes over 90% of the growth of cells before it is even born less than ten percent of cell growth occurs after birth so most "living" in the physical sense is done before your even born, also so a job makes a person a person then all

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 people who lose their jobs should be killed or treated like animals cuz theyre no longer people... that doesnt make any sense. Also a baby has a history it even has an impact on history that woman who got pregnant was pregnant it becomes a historical fact therefore the baby in merely existing changed part of history no matter how small of an impact it was. but how can we be the ones to choose how much of an impact it will have. it should have the right to makes its own history and life

[tommyk77]

@19afterain You dodge my points poorly. Can you actually provide any real-world reason why a fetus has the same rights as a human being? You are ignoring the fact that the child's impact is ahead of it. Simply being in a woman's womb is nothing compared to the £300,000 it takes to raise the average child.

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 i hardly was trying to dodge them i addressed every single one of your points. also why should a fetus being viewed as having less rights than any other human being. what does how much it costs to raise a child have to do with its rights as a human. The impact you make doesnt determine whether or not your human if that were true than people who accomplished more in life would have to be somehow more human than the person who lives a quiet life in some cottage in the hills somewhere

[tommyk77]

@19afterain The fallacy is that you are assume that a fetus has intrinsic rights.

These rights, you have failed to justify.

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 the fallacy is that you assume they dont have intrinsic rights till birth. what is it that magically happens when a child is born that suddenly give it the intrinsic right to be human?

[tommyk77]

@19afterain When did I say it gets rights after birth? I'd argue you could still abort it. The fact is that there is no magical line where rights ensue, but we must draw one nonetheless. You're line is unfounded and counter-ethical. I'm happy to admit that the issue is a little more complex in reality than in 19afterain land

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 You are saying my point is counter-ethical when you said that a child should be aborted post-birth??????? what could be more counter-ethical than being ok with the murder of a young and born infant. Explain why your "line" is ethical while mine is not.

[tommyk77]

@19afterain I didn't say "should". You need to learn how to argue ethics, as the words I use are very important.

Your argument is a dogmatic attempt to place value on something that has no senses, social connections, interests nor opinions. Nor does it have any discernible utility at this point.

My argument is that the line between human and flesh is a blurred cloud, that we should draw a practical line at around the third trimester. This line is different for disabled babies in my view.

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 how did i know you were going to address my use of the word should instead of could? this has nothing to do with what we're discussing just a different choice of words. Why the third trimester is there more discernible utility then, then there was two weeks earlier? A fetus most definitely has senses, and I am placing value not based on whether or not it has social connections, interests, or opinions those things dont matter (a baby does have the potential for those things however)

[tommyk77]

@19afterain Of course I was going to call you on your wording... it's important!

I knew you'd pounce on the word 'utility'. Didn't think you'd invoke Godwin's Law though.

A fetus has a nervous system by the third trimester and don't play the whole "how's it different to a few weeks ago" argument, as we've covered that.

Pregnancy is a potentially life-changing thing for many people and if it is not a good time to bring a child into the world, abortion can *save* lives from ruin

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 Of course id pounce on your use of the word utility its the word you used to determine the humanness of something. I dont even know what Godwin's Law is.

Why does a nervous system make a difference

So if a new life is inconvenient then you should just get rid of it is what your saying. Also if you dont want a baby its not that hard to not have sex when you know their period could be happening there are only certain days of the month girls can get pregnant

[tommyk77]

@19afterain Contraception is not 100% reliable. Besides, that's not the point. Of course, people should be using contraception if they don't want a child, but I just don't see why we have to give human rights to a life form that has no interests, is not self-aware, cannot feel pain yet and is not wanted.

Also, utility does not determine the "humanness" of something and Godwin's Law is on wikipedia.

[KatyKane]

@tommyk77 this LIFE form of which you speak has a heart beat at 17 days; brain function and feels pain. please educate yourself before you make such comments. Even if this child is not wanted by his/her birth mother of father, it IS wanted by somebody. In addition, women and men bear the scars of abortion for many years to come following the abortion of their babies. don't hate - educate. God bless.

[tommyk77]

@KatyKane It takes at least 4 weeks before the spinal cord and brain begin to form, actually. My point is that if no-one wants the fetus, then it it not wrong to abort it.

Also, putting 'life' in capitals does not give it magical, ethical weight. It just looks silly

[19afterain]

@tommyk77 You walk a fine line when you determine humanity based on discernible utility. You sound very much like Hitler when he argued that the Germans were a higher race and all others are lesser and therefore have less "discernible utility." If your argument is true then Hitler is justified in doing all of his atrocities. Because he was simply disposing of those with less discernible utility.

[JenniferPvlsh]

@Cupcakekun I don't understand what you mean. Can you clarify so I can understand you better and then maybe we can talk!

[redfan45x]

hahaha pathetic way

[arlihama]

And... why?