gary chaffee "5-7-4 / 5-4-7" patterns

[glisnake]

D= Down stroke

U= Up stroke

T= Tap

F= Full or Free stroke

These are the sticking levels.

[cchhiittoo]

i have a question which book are you using in this video because gary has 4 books

[jdjbarnat]

great usage of these fills, but for the love of god please tighten that snare! XD

[thesyllekattacks]

Ex. 5 played with the first 6 notes played as a paradiddlediddle is really fun and actually not to difficult, though admittedly it does change the flow of the fill a bit.

[joesfph]

in gary chaffee's book from the pattern series titled 'stickings', there are lines underneath the right/left stickings that are notated with D, T, U, or F. I have no idea what they signify.

[JulianFernandez]

Down, Tap, Up and Full! Strokes motions... :)

[joesfph]

could someone explain to me what the D T U T T stuff in gary chaffee's stickings is supposed to mean???

[jackbarrie1]

@joesfph Hey dude, D U T F, are in reference to the Moeller technique, where D means a down stroke, U means up stroke, T means a tap stroke, and F means a full stroke.

[giosmrbig]

yes its the MOELLER TECHNIQUE, to be onest i've never learned MOELLER, i know its great but i just not able to do it... maybe some day... who knows...

[TheRabidBoy]

well the moeller techique just put a motion wich is supposed to be natural to a "academic way"

There' s nothing very hard about it, it is just practice, as it is used to erased some bad habit in the stick motion and stuff... :)

[DavidPartay]

@joesfph It is explained in Sticking Patterns and briefly in Technique Patterns... I haven't seen his other books.

Basically, a Down stroke is when you start high and end low, an Up stroke you start low and end high, a Tap stroke starts and ends low, and a Full stroke starts and ends high.

Hence, Down = D, Up = U, Tap = T, Full = F

[dnivdyn]

Downstroke, Tap, Upstroke, Tap, Tap

Downstroke (hold your stick up, hit the head downwards, keep your stick a few millimeters above the head), Upstroke (hit the head and raise your stick up, don't make it rebound), Tap (a mere stroke, starting from a few millimeters above the head and ending the same way)

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

Incorrect. You said "Upstroke (hit the head and raise your stick up, don't make it rebound" the upstroke is intended to start low and end higher than the previous stroke began....the exact specifics are all dependent on what dynamics you are playing in, but the upstroke is intended for increasing volume so you DO want to make it rebound.

Hope this helps.

[dnivdyn]

@PositivelyBored Does the upstroke rely on the bounce only - and your hand just follows the upward movement - or is your hand more active and lifts the stick up ?

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

what I learned is apply pressure down/push slightly and turn wrist with the "doorknob" motion. allow the stick to naturally come backwards. Then it is all fingers and hand to catch the stick, depending upon the volume of the next note.

The key for me was mastering the full stroke. Once you get the feeling your hand is being left down (and relaxed) while stick is up 90 degrees on rebound, minimal lifting, all of the other motions seem to come naturally.

[PositivelyBored]

@dnivdyn

Sorry, I gave you bad advice.

The upstroke is several motions. Part 1:  a tap ( you can choose technique), followed by a quick finger grab, then loosening of the fulcrum back to relaxed.- Part 2: lifting of your arm like you are shaking off a towel or blanket. LIft your arm up (very relaxed) and the stick, from the tap, will allow the arm to be in a natural position for the next full-volume stroke.

This is from a lesson I had a couple hours ago, I asked directly

[dnivdyn]

@PositivelyBored First, a tap then you lift your stick up : this is roughly what my teacher told me, but I had doubts concerning the way your hand and fingers are involved... You were right about the rebound, but I gave up squeezing my sticks on my drumheads for such a long time that I forgot this detail.

Thanks for answering, anyway.

[bteniswood]

@joesfph It's not to do with the Moeller. That is about using accents within a natural stroke motion and getting more out of one stroke. The Down, Tap, Up strokes are just basic foundation strokes more to do with control and accuracy of stick heights. An Up stroke for example, is started anywhere (low or high) but is brought back up to the full stroke position. Tap starts low and ends low, and Down starts high and ends low. A DTUTT is the first side of a paradiddle with an accent on the D.

[PositivelyBored]

@bteniswood

Mostly correct, but I would like to add that by Garys definition, an upstroke is a stroke that starts from low position and ends high, in preperation for f / ff. You said it is started anywhere, which is "possible" but by Garys coursework, the U does indicate starting from low position.

[wolowolowolo]

@joesfph Down,Tap Up stroke

[angelgroover]

@joesfph

DTUTT means D- downstroke; T - tap U - upstroke etc...F- fullstroke, it's just to help you get correct form and stick placement during an exercise, eventually it becomes second nature and you don't have to think about it.

[CaptainDozak]

@joesfph In the moeller technique it has to do with the type of stroke you are using in your hand. D=down stroke T=tap U=up stroke. Down stroke stick starts high ends low, tap stroke stick starts low and ends low, up stroke stick starts low and ends high. Last one that is not mentioned is full F= stick starts high and ends high. Hope this helps.

[gypsocalypsy]

great stuff man,above all you play with feel.

I studied under Gary about 20 years back for a short stint.He made an enormous daifference.I still employ much of his system to this day.

I use those same stickings your using with typical 1/16th note alternating feet[HH/KICK,not DOUBLE BASS] as well as the Baion feet patterns.Works great for soloing.

[ironcobra8]

nice work. Chaffee's material is limitless.

[ChadwickSesame]

Sorry for the lack of clarity on my part. But I'm going to go try all those things you mentioned. I use powerstroke 3 clear and coated. I have to switch them so the clear is on the batter side, I feel like that may help but over all I think I have to find the right tension.

[giosmrbig]

if you want, you can use TAMA TENSION WATCH to see how tight is the DRUMHEAD.

i suggest you to NOT , tight too much your instrument.

try to use the same tension on BOTH sides.

you can also use a MUFFLE with the REMO EMPEROR it sound pretty good.

let me know ok ?

bye

[ChadwickSesame]

Thank you very much, I'll try that!

[drummerkingmike]

ChadwickSesame - It could be your reso head doesnt have a porthole in it? If it doesnt try sticking one in it (or buy a new head with one in). Usually makes a big difference in this!

[ChadwickSesame]

Great video man, thanks a ton. Hey I had a quick question I was hoping you could answer since you're obviously very experienced. My question has to do with bass pedal technique.

When I use the heel up style of "burying" the pedal in the head(Jeff Porcaro style) the beater vibrates against the head and makes an awful choked vibration sound. I don't hear that on anyone else who uses this technique. Is there a way to lessen the effect of that? Thanks!

[giosmrbig]

i dont undestand very well what are you trying to say... any way.. first of all what kind of DRUM HEAD do you use ?

i suggest you the new REMO POWER SONIC, i think this is the best for your problem.

or you can use POWER STROKE drum head.

try to set you pedal in a way that does not make that sound, and try to tune the BASS DRUM in the best way you can ok ?

bye

joseph

[backbeatbobby]

thnx man ill work on the sticking for the first bar as the sticking for the second bar i have down sort of lol

[giosmrbig]

ok.. lets explain:

you can play around the kit as you want ok ?

first 4 BARS:

(play as quads) RLRLL (5) RLRR (4) LRLRRLL (7)

[giosmrbig]

second 4 BARS

(play as quads) RLLRR (5) LRRLLRR (7) LRLL (4)

as you can see the STICKING changes the "5" or the "7" is not the same on every bars.

[backbeatbobby]

ok its nice dude butwats the sticking??no very helpful

[giosmrbig]

what do you mean ? i dont undestand

[backbeatbobby]

sorry i mean its a group of 5 7 and 4 but how are u playing it? whats the pattern rllrl for example

[giosmrbig]

the patterns are always the same but played different on every group of 4 bars. just one example : RLLRR (5) LRRLLRR (7) LRLL (4) (played as quads)

undestand ?

[backbeatbobby]

so the pattern is the same being the sticking i.e rllrr. and its played different meaning moving it around the kit but you lost me when u say playing it as quads? what do u mean playing it as quads lol?

[giosmrbig]

the patterns are always 5 or 7 or 4 , but i changed the order, you can find this material in gary chaffie book.

[backbeatbobby]

ok but how are you playing them as quads when the pattern is 5 7 4??

[giosmrbig]

yes , 5 notes + 7 notes + 4 notes = 16

4 quads are 16 notes, so its the same.

if you play 4 quads you play 16 notes, the same as the pattern.

very cool dont you think ?

[backbeatbobby]

argh great idea buddy im going to work on this concept straight away,also thnx for taking the time to explain it to me in detail much appreciated and great drumming!

[backbeatbobby]

ok whats the pattern(or sticking) your using here dude? ive tried Rllrr Lrrllrr Lrll :)

[azvaks]

which gary chaffee book? he has 5 of them.

[sinchrostick]

"Time functioning patters" is the most useful Gary's book that I've tried to learn,it's amazing!!!! IT'LL OPEN YOUR MIND! It's 3 in one book and is WORTH A PATIENCE!!!

Good luck!

[giosmrbig]

try this first TWO LINES, then i will explain the REST of the exercise ok ?

i hope you enjoy !!

[drummer420]

*Yawn*

[jazzowacko]

nice man, i tried it too ! really usefull.

[streetsoftheblues]

Joseph sei sempre un grande

[johnpgray]

very nice!!!