wow. atheists like to talk about how right winging christians are always vote botting down evolution videos, and when one user tries to defend himself from thunderfoot's allegations, a mob of angry atheists come down on this video like theyre carrying the will of the messiah. and yes, if you suscribe to HTWW, it will ask you if you want to suscribe to his friends' accounts. When i come back here seeing a -5 besides my post i will facepalm so hard..
"I'm just gonna prove this to you in a second.... this is a real subscriber... this.. this is a real subscriber these are ALL REAL SUBSCRIBERS!"
Wow! That's what I call proof! I didn't know if you just keep repeating something louder, and more sternly it makes it true and proven. You may just be the next Bill O'Riely or something, a bright future indeed.
@LearnTheFactsFirst I don't think hate is specific to any group, be they liberal or atheist. I know lots of Christian fundamentalists who don't mind being shitty people when it suits them. It's not so black and white man.
I can't find the post this is replying to, so I don't really know how to answer. Obviously though, people do stupid things. Why anyone would pay real money for money to use in a video game is beyond me. I guess they really enjoy the game and think it's worth it.
just how your subscribers, if somebody wants there subscriptions hidden, they can just do that on there Chanel, but by the looks of it they don't spend that much time on youtube, so i don't think they will care much if there names are shown.
The evidence is mounting up against you, Lee. All it would take now is for someone to ask the youtube admins to check the ip addresses of those "real" subscribers.
the evidence TF is showing in the case is very damming, granted damming evidence is not proof. It would not win a criminal case on it's own would be more then enough to win a civil case. If you go through the people TF subscribes to only two of them exact same number of subscriptions and none subscribe to all channels that everyone else does. I don't know what chances of finding two people with exact same subscriptions but my guess would be very low.
thunderfoot is a pretty famous youtuber. the guy that made the video is not nearly as popular as thunderfoot and would not spread howtheworldworks name around youtube as effectively
and thats how the world works .... yep thats how the world works alright. if thats what you refer to as proof then it is pretty clear how you got to be as confused as you are
Methodologically reductional material fundamentalist, possibly.
Fundamentalism is belief in a strict adherence to a set of basic principles; reduction is taking things down to their parts so as to better understand them; materialism is the assertion that we can only investigate that which we can access - that is, the material; the methodology being the scientific method, which has a few basic principles to which one can adhere.
That's the only fundamenalism you can stick on an atheist.
Thunderappendage is such a mumbling moron anyway. In between youtube uploads he's probably out taking craps in nature or doing some other hippie thing. Maybe making hemp sweaters for the top members of his enviroMENTAL club. Ha!
Thunderfoot is a whiney liberal jerk, hes jealous because u actually have a job, and are active in politics ect, when he went to debate Ray Comfort on creationism/evolution, he clamed up like a 12 yo girl with a scraped knee, it was priceless, IDK why u even care that hes lying about u though, I dont think too many people take him seriously...
The interesting thing is HTWW usually covers interesting issues and various people like Thunderhead go way, way out of their way to defame it. Sort of the style of the AmazinglyBoringAtheist's page, where all he talks about is what current thing he think sucks.
even if you did use sock accounts im sure if chris had the time to go through all ur subbers he would name more then 10, and one of those sock accounts made a video saying he wasnt so, lets say you did sock 9 accounts who cares you still beat your 10k goa, thunderf00t is not a guru hes a bully
Lee, the liberal morons act you personally because they can not attack you any other way. the fact that you piss them off so bad is proof you are succeeding in showing the lunacy of the liberal worldview.
I'll make two observation, with the full expectation that Lee will remove the comment and duck my challenges, again, as he did months ago.
The first is that we have an annotation that Thunderf00t took down the allegedly defamatory video. That video is still there and featured.
Second, the idea that a YouTube Partner with "branding privileges" doesn't seem to fly. Why would someone ASKED to subscribe do it in so many numbers?
I hear what your saying, but I think I'll need more info from your side. The other guy did give a good number of accounts and the odds of all of them having the same info and page layouts is strange. To me it looked like those accounts where all made on the same day, by like minded people who think the same exactly. I do not think the odds work in you favor.
Lee, if i could post u a physical comment, it would be a punch in ur mouth! !!..SOOOOoo rate thisvideo even if youhate itput ithefidjfdjjdksdkfsdFUCK u r annoying!
Dprjones is an intellectual property rights lawyer who can NOT practice in the US (don't let him intimidate you! (he himself is in heaps of s*it now)
I say sue em' Contact a lawyer to subpoena YT for their info, and SUE em' for defamation, libel, or false light. Contact YT for their harassing behavior, and let YT know of your impending legal actions.
howtheworldworks: take the cease and desist message in this video and deliver it by YT message (certified email if you can too) to those who are defaming you. Give them a time frame to remove. Keep every single negative message you get. It's proves their misconduct led to your reputation in the community. You can also claim "false light" it's easier to sue on.
your argument proves nothing. i have no idea that these accouts are sock puppets but all you're saying here is that those other channels are easier to subscribe to if they happen to subscribe to you. a sign of a "good" sock puppet is if they pad out their page so they look just like a regular account.
sock puppets and fake accounts are rife all over the internets and protesting that all your subsribers are real is a foolish move on your part.
Fuck off, HTWW, you stinking little cunt. If anyone uses defamation, ASSHOLE, then it's YOU. You need to stop your fucking whining and grow a penis, Eunuch.
You do realize that you didn't help "refute" anything, but rather made a rationalization that people are supposed to take or leave?
You could meet up with the challenge of showing all your subscribers though.
Oh, and by the way... although it may not be total proof of you having sock accounts watching you, it certaintly does support said idea when the knowledge of what those accounts look like combines with the knowledge of your consistent dishonesty.
That didnt have anything to with thunder foot directly, since PCS was doing probable illegal actions, and was actually doing it once, with the forever win apologies to the internet video.
The problem with your 'proof' is that the subscriptions aren't automatic. You have to click subscribe twice to be added to the branded people. So unless everyone does that, I have to say BS.
thunderfoot is not defaming you man. Tfoot just hates propagandists and you are a propagandists. if you weren't you wouldn't censor people. what he's doing to you is no worse than what you are doing to americans that are too poor to pay for healthcare.
Another video started with 'I really didn't want to make this video, but...'.
If you don't want to make any videos, Lee, perhaps you shouldn't be on Youtube. One less source of useless, bullshit, rightwing rhetoric will never be a bad thing.
You might think you know 'how the world works', Lee, but you sure as shit don't know how Youtube works.
Shit i wish someone would sew your mouth shut, you talk too much, too fast and even in your sleep your mouth must keep blabbering. How do you eat food without biting your tongue off?
Linking to defamatory content is not now, nor ever has been illegal or actionable in any way, and has been set in several judicial precedents in the last few years.
Hell, even the Canadians figured this one out last week.
On top of that, you wont be able to prove defamation on the part of that original video.
Be a man, stop crying a river about mean 'ol bullies here on youtube.
I understand defending yourself HTWW. You have a valid point. Having a tantrum like this is just stupid though. There are much better ways to handle yourself.
HA HA HA! You stupid douche! You finally got yours! Go cry into your wheaties, you whiny bitch. It's the internet, "defamation" is a staple here,get used to it. Go ahead and try to do something about it.
BOO HOOO, THUNDERFOOT IS MAKING FUN OF ME!!! WAAAAHHH!!
I don't understand how the reference to those friends channels is supposed to be proof that HTWW doesn't have sock accounts.
If anything, I would think that the fact that so many consistently decide to subscribe to those accounts, and so few decide not to subscribe to those accounts is evidence against HTWW
I don't however understand how a person is supposed to discern between sock accounts and non-sock accounts.
Nice ad hominem. I would just like to know the explanation of why there are absolutely no fossil records of transitional organisms that would prove evolution.
I by no means state as fact that a supreme being created life, but conversely I don't support the 'theory' that life was somehow planted on this planet by alien meteors (yes, that is a theory of evolution), or that it spontaneously arose from carbon without any proof of the actual evolution.
Thunderf00t not just featured that video made by "cristoballs" AGIAN, but he just made his own video about all this at 5:35PM PST (8:35 EST) as of Sun. 9/20/2009.
I'm not saying weather or not this is good or bad, I'm only saying this to let everyone know who is reading this comment.
Yup Thunderf00t still has the video up. Saying he has taken it down is just as viable a defamation case for him as is your claim he defamed you. People throw around "defamation" like it's a threat. Thunderfoot could use the "fair comment on a matter of public interest" defense and you'd be left with nothing.
Thunderf00t did NOT take that feature down. In fact, he featured ANOTHER video like the first. STOP lying Howtheworld[doesn't]work. You are a lying idiot.
You seem to be confused-- Thunderf00t's video is still up.
Your rebuttal to allegations that the subscribers in question are fake is simply telling us that "these are real subscribers", as if emphasizing the word "real" proves the point. You proved nothing.
Thunderf00t not just featured that video made by "cristoballs" AGIAN, but he just made his own video about all this just now at 5:35PM PST (8:35 EST) as of Sun. 9/20/2009.
I'm not saying weather or not this is good or bad, I'm only saying this to let everyone know who is reading this comment.
LOL!!! You are actually trying to explain away all those sock accounts? Are you serious?? Several people don't all join up within a few weeks and subscribe to your - and only your - inner circle all at once. Just because you shout REAL REAL REAL doesn't make it so.
"REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS!"
Bollocks.
Yes, there are links to recommended accounts upon subscribing, but... you forgot to mention how easy it might be for one to create an account then quickly subscribe to all these associated accounts in a few minutes. Perhaps they do it in order to make the account come across as authentic. Bet you didn't think of that one did you, numbskull.
Thunderf00t did not actually make the video, and does not use defamation...
Now, my Law degree may only be valid in Guam... But by my understanding, you claiming that he uses defamation when you are aware that he does not is in itself defamation... how has thunderf00t himself defamed you? or is this just you trolling for more subs by attacking big you-tubers AGAIN? i suppose fred will be your next "victory"?
So...someone else made a video talking smack about you, and thunderf00t is the bad guy? Just because he featured it? Honestly, are you *that* easy to rough-up?
After your last series regarding thunderf00t, you said you'd not talk about him again. How long did that last? Five-six months? Good job going against your word and wasting your time.
I love how he gave his demands to TF and then quickly afterwards did his usual end-of-video schpiel (spelling?). Sorta reminded me of those disclaimers at the end of car ads on the radio.
I have only recently begun watching your videos in order to broaden my understanding of the political discourse on the conservative stances. Sufficet to say, I may not agree with you but enjoy your arguments and also find you to be a very intellgient, passionate and caring individual. However these latest videos are aan embarrassment. I think you are capable of much more than this bickering between, especially with users who you shouldn't waste your time on.
Why would you lie and say thunderfoot took down the video? It really undermines my ability to believe what you say when you tell lies that can disproved by one click of my mouse. That video is still featured on his account. Why did you lie?
It has come to the attention of a number of YouTubers, including myself, that you are in the habit of censoring and banning others who disagree with you.
Rush can't make it to the circle jerk tonight, so it's just going to be you, Hannity, O'Reilly and Satan. Bill asks that you please bring the cherry lube you were telling him about.
LOL, you are going to try and sue thunderf00t for defamation? Accusing somebody of having sock accounts isn't defamation. You pseudo-conservatives crack me up. One minute, you are whining about a litigious society, but as soon as you get your feeling hurt, you threaten to sue.
HWW, you haven't been around for long, and you've built up a large subscriber base. You have a different political perspective from most popular YouTube channels. That alone is sufficient for most here to launch fraudulent smear campaigns against you.
You wanted no one to see that video, because it is not true. And you just decided to make a video about that video, pointing out and screaming towards thunderf00t's featured video about you having sock accounts. I didn't even knew about this, untill I saw this vid. And thanks to you, I now know you have sock accounts here on yt. Many ! Thanks for the info. You rock, blah blah blah now leave me alone.
Yes I watched the video all the way through. But he didn't prove anything. He just said why those sock accounts subscribe to the same peoples. But they are still sock accounts because they all have 5-6 videos watched, and haven't been on for like a week or so. I mean really, who makes a youtube account, watches 10 videos, subscribes to HTWW, then never again comes on that account !? Come on, you're a preacher, you know some peoples are harder to manipulate than others. Most of us are not stupid
TF should seriously lay off. cuz i think this guy's gonna start crying like a lil girl. lol. and y'all are doing a great job sucking on his dick. it's important to comfort your own and stick together.
People liek thunderf00t are idiots. You do great work don't let one rotten apple bother you. I believe us subscriber stand behind your work. God Bless
Nobody cares what those losers say... just keep putting out the good word. Their comments are fogotten as soon as they are done speaking. Don't waste too much time on them
Liberals are immoral backstabbers. They lie to no end to get what they want. They demonize with the most ridiculously unethical tactics possible like for example Joe Wilson "racism" ... we ALL know that was not racism. Liberals are pure evil and honestly anyone who aligns with them is truly siding with pure evil. Conservatives don't need to demonize already evil people, but the devils themselves accuse the saints as it were.
So there are 10+ people out there to whom you were the first person they subscribed, and they went on to all subscribe to 100% of the recommended users that came up which they have never watched, and never subscribed to another person after that point?
Please enable subscriber views so individuals can verify themselves you subscriber list.
Also you may want to clarify that the issue with your known accounts wasn't that you had other accounts, the issue was you seem to be subscribing to your own channel, making friends of yourself and favoriting your own videos. Seems a bit bizarre.
You're gonner get this because you are voice for freedom and they will try to wind you up, etc. Don't worry about it, keep you head high and remmeber you represent something now that is bigger than you. Love your channel.
Defamation of character involves written or spoken harm to a person or organization's reputation. Defamation of character includes libel and slander. Libel is written defamation of character. Slander is spoken defamation of character.
A better question would be, "can you prove that they are not real?" Burden of proof doesn't fall on the accused, brah. It would be absolutely ridiculous to expect HTTW to dispute every falsehood in every attack that comes his way. There just aren't enough hours in the day for that.
HTWW, you are great, I have subscribed, watched, and greatly enjoyed your vids, but you are just as guilty of defamation by that definition. Sorry dude but you are gunna lose this one,
You make more people aware of this guy by mentioning him. Also you bring ridicule on yourself when you beat your chest and threaten "to take further action" -- such as?
Honestly, I didn't know about the guy fucking with your videos, I doubt a lot of people did. He doesn't have many views and few subs; I know about him now though.
Ignore his ass, you are successful on your own merits.
Actually i am not. Though i do not have a lawyer degree, you can easily do the research and see that no laws were broken. The person making the video did not violate any DMCA laws, no did he violate any civil liberties. Thunderf00t can not be prosecuted under any court system, for his featuring can not be shown as a malicious attempt to defame HTWW's character. now if TF made a video promoting the video already in question, then thats a whole different story.
The reason why that old lady won that law suit is because she burnt her upper lip when she was drinking their hot coffee. The only reason why she won was because as a place of business, a company has to label all possiblilities that someone can get hurt. ie. wet floor, low ceillings, hot surface signs...
McDonald's lost that suit because they failed to comply with health and safety standards regulated by OASHA.. Which is why the court settled with the old lady who burnt herself trying to drink "HOT" coffee from a cup that wasnt labeled "HOT"
Did you say "You Idiot" @1:54
cartoeratos 1 year ago
I would ignore them personaly but this is more entertaining.
rangergxi 1 year ago
yeah it is difficult to prove or disprove either way.tbh if someone is accusing you, ignore it and get on with it. slow news day?
rsolgtp 2 years ago
I am a sock account. Prove me wrong.
cmbmachine 2 years ago
wow. atheists like to talk about how right winging christians are always vote botting down evolution videos, and when one user tries to defend himself from thunderfoot's allegations, a mob of angry atheists come down on this video like theyre carrying the will of the messiah. and yes, if you suscribe to HTWW, it will ask you if you want to suscribe to his friends' accounts. When i come back here seeing a -5 besides my post i will facepalm so hard..
Lobotomick 2 years ago
"I'm just gonna prove this to you in a second.... this is a real subscriber... this.. this is a real subscriber these are ALL REAL SUBSCRIBERS!"
Wow! That's what I call proof! I didn't know if you just keep repeating something louder, and more sternly it makes it true and proven. You may just be the next Bill O'Riely or something, a bright future indeed.
Weezer220 2 years ago
@TheAngryHillbilly Comment removed by author....hmmm,...
chivaking 2 years ago
sorry but I got to ask what is with the music in this video?
happycan107 2 years ago
everyone who's commented on this video so far has pretty much proved a point i've made before about how hateful liberals and atheists are.
LearnTheFactsFirst 2 years ago
@LearnTheFactsFirst I don't think hate is specific to any group, be they liberal or atheist. I know lots of Christian fundamentalists who don't mind being shitty people when it suits them. It's not so black and white man.
Tripo1iSamson 1 year ago
@LearnTheFactsFirst I take it then that you've made absolutely sure that all the comments YOU find hatefull are coming from liberals and atheists?
tyroblogger 1 year ago
Using real money to buy virtual gold to use in online RPGs does make sense to a lot of people either.
Vamavid 2 years ago
I can't find the post this is replying to, so I don't really know how to answer. Obviously though, people do stupid things. Why anyone would pay real money for money to use in a video game is beyond me. I guess they really enjoy the game and think it's worth it.
christo930 2 years ago
just how your subscribers, if somebody wants there subscriptions hidden, they can just do that on there Chanel, but by the looks of it they don't spend that much time on youtube, so i don't think they will care much if there names are shown.
CannibalRich666 2 years ago 2
I guess that "how the world works" LOL
gamegfan1990 2 years ago 4
The evidence is mounting up against you, Lee. All it would take now is for someone to ask the youtube admins to check the ip addresses of those "real" subscribers.
ThatAngryHillbilly 2 years ago 6
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ThatAngryHillbilly 2 years ago
the evidence TF is showing in the case is very damming, granted damming evidence is not proof. It would not win a criminal case on it's own would be more then enough to win a civil case. If you go through the people TF subscribes to only two of them exact same number of subscriptions and none subscribe to all channels that everyone else does. I don't know what chances of finding two people with exact same subscriptions but my guess would be very low.
maciolek1980 2 years ago
I blinked so i think i missed the proof... no wait i watched again, no proof.
You lie, you fail, no1 cares.
superchimp 2 years ago
Agreed, weakest defence ever.
raizumichin 2 years ago
I'm just curious as to why you are only mentioning TF when it isnt even his video. Why are you not mentioning the Vidios maker??
Calypso1138 2 years ago 3
because hes a fame whore.
thunderfoot is a pretty famous youtuber. the guy that made the video is not nearly as popular as thunderfoot and would not spread howtheworldworks name around youtube as effectively
cant make money if your not known on youtube
xkingcutx 2 years ago
what farther action are you talking about?
dropping a moab on his house?
explosive vest?
DudeWithTheBling 2 years ago
and thats how the world works .... yep thats how the world works alright. if thats what you refer to as proof then it is pretty clear how you got to be as confused as you are
culinarythug 2 years ago
jaw dropped @ 2:22 !! wow, what an appropriate to promote yourself
chaband 2 years ago
HowTheWorldWorks,
Got for it! Take action against Thunderf00t. Call his bluff. Show him you mean business, and make him an example.
Best wishes.
4u2b1ib12 2 years ago
Real subscribers...real subscribers...real subscribers...real subscribers
jtrubilla 2 years ago 5
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MudHut67 2 years ago
Thunderfoot is one of those fundamentalist leftist hippies.
hewpiedawg 2 years ago
*snrk*
Methodologically reductional material fundamentalist, possibly.
Fundamentalism is belief in a strict adherence to a set of basic principles; reduction is taking things down to their parts so as to better understand them; materialism is the assertion that we can only investigate that which we can access - that is, the material; the methodology being the scientific method, which has a few basic principles to which one can adhere.
That's the only fundamenalism you can stick on an atheist.
Fordi 2 years ago
Exactly why is it that HTWW needs to prove anything?
Cristoball is making an accusation, where's his proof to back it up?
BigDaddyBongos 2 years ago
Thunderappendage is such a mumbling moron anyway. In between youtube uploads he's probably out taking craps in nature or doing some other hippie thing. Maybe making hemp sweaters for the top members of his enviroMENTAL club. Ha!
zzx2847 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Thunderfoot is a whiney liberal jerk, hes jealous because u actually have a job, and are active in politics ect, when he went to debate Ray Comfort on creationism/evolution, he clamed up like a 12 yo girl with a scraped knee, it was priceless, IDK why u even care that hes lying about u though, I dont think too many people take him seriously...
PsychoticSpasm 2 years ago
The interesting thing is HTWW usually covers interesting issues and various people like Thunderhead go way, way out of their way to defame it. Sort of the style of the AmazinglyBoringAtheist's page, where all he talks about is what current thing he think sucks.
Tripo1iSamson 2 years ago
WEEE your gonna look bad.
UsernameClayton 2 years ago
Thunderf00t is a joke.
manwiththeplan25 2 years ago
even if you did use sock accounts im sure if chris had the time to go through all ur subbers he would name more then 10, and one of those sock accounts made a video saying he wasnt so, lets say you did sock 9 accounts who cares you still beat your 10k goa, thunderf00t is not a guru hes a bully
1signmein 2 years ago
* you're
salmonking007 2 years ago
Lee, the liberal morons act you personally because they can not attack you any other way. the fact that you piss them off so bad is proof you are succeeding in showing the lunacy of the liberal worldview.
newstar77 2 years ago
what's a sock account ?
mosniper831 2 years ago
I'd assume the term comes from "sock puppet" saying that Lee's subscribers are puppet accounts.
Either way, it's a little sad that someone would go out of their way making videos about stuff they can't prove.
salmonking007 2 years ago
those subscribers look fake to me
shakaenjb 2 years ago 5
further action plz!
skinnydipper16 2 years ago 2
Links in the sidebar as usual, huh?
Tiem625 2 years ago 3
Butthurt much? /ragequit
killgroup 2 years ago 5
Idiot. That is all
Brenho 2 years ago
wow, butthurt as hell. what will the further action be?
23rice23 2 years ago
I'll make two observation, with the full expectation that Lee will remove the comment and duck my challenges, again, as he did months ago.
The first is that we have an annotation that Thunderf00t took down the allegedly defamatory video. That video is still there and featured.
Second, the idea that a YouTube Partner with "branding privileges" doesn't seem to fly. Why would someone ASKED to subscribe do it in so many numbers?
nascentatheist 2 years ago
Yep never took the annotation down, lying is pretty childish especially infron of audiances of about 50k.
weefraze06 2 years ago 4
I hear what your saying, but I think I'll need more info from your side. The other guy did give a good number of accounts and the odds of all of them having the same info and page layouts is strange. To me it looked like those accounts where all made on the same day, by like minded people who think the same exactly. I do not think the odds work in you favor.
ronaldec7 2 years ago 2
Lee, if i could post u a physical comment, it would be a punch in ur mouth! !!..SOOOOoo rate thisvideo even if youhate itput ithefidjfdjjdksdkfsdFUCK u r annoying!
DonatiAlfaYed 2 years ago
Thunderf00t never took down the video, why the hell did you claim he did that ?
DonatiAlfaYed 2 years ago 5
Dprjones is an intellectual property rights lawyer who can NOT practice in the US (don't let him intimidate you! (he himself is in heaps of s*it now)
I say sue em' Contact a lawyer to subpoena YT for their info, and SUE em' for defamation, libel, or false light. Contact YT for their harassing behavior, and let YT know of your impending legal actions.
freeamerika00 2 years ago
Fail
gj75845 2 years ago
howtheworldworks: take the cease and desist message in this video and deliver it by YT message (certified email if you can too) to those who are defaming you. Give them a time frame to remove. Keep every single negative message you get. It's proves their misconduct led to your reputation in the community. You can also claim "false light" it's easier to sue on.
freeamerika00 2 years ago 2
It's assholes like you that makes the world stop spinning. But you should know that.
Robbaz 2 years ago
Hey bitch! Why don't you chill out!!
th3w01fv2 2 years ago
your argument proves nothing. i have no idea that these accouts are sock puppets but all you're saying here is that those other channels are easier to subscribe to if they happen to subscribe to you. a sign of a "good" sock puppet is if they pad out their page so they look just like a regular account.
sock puppets and fake accounts are rife all over the internets and protesting that all your subsribers are real is a foolish move on your part.
Raedan23 2 years ago
WTF Thunderf00t never took down the video, why the hell did you claim he did that ?
warcraft9944 2 years ago 6
Fuck off, HTWW, you stinking little cunt. If anyone uses defamation, ASSHOLE, then it's YOU. You need to stop your fucking whining and grow a penis, Eunuch.
MarshallKutuzov 2 years ago 6
Mate, just show all your subscribers? Problem solved for you, and you have better argument against Thunderf00t and co!
gerjaison 2 years ago
You do realize that you didn't help "refute" anything, but rather made a rationalization that people are supposed to take or leave?
You could meet up with the challenge of showing all your subscribers though.
Oh, and by the way... although it may not be total proof of you having sock accounts watching you, it certaintly does support said idea when the knowledge of what those accounts look like combines with the knowledge of your consistent dishonesty.
sonic8005 2 years ago 3
Do you know what happened to the last guy that threatened Thunderf00t?
You look as though you are going down the same dark road as PCS and if you are smart you will stop so that you do not end up in the same place.
Jugglingbuffoon 2 years ago
His mom and dad spanked him?
That didnt have anything to with thunder foot directly, since PCS was doing probable illegal actions, and was actually doing it once, with the forever win apologies to the internet video.
misterwigggles 2 years ago
The problem with your 'proof' is that the subscriptions aren't automatic. You have to click subscribe twice to be added to the branded people. So unless everyone does that, I have to say BS.
DiesteDestroyer 2 years ago 2
thunderfoot is not defaming you man. Tfoot just hates propagandists and you are a propagandists. if you weren't you wouldn't censor people. what he's doing to you is no worse than what you are doing to americans that are too poor to pay for healthcare.
keep up the good work.
Kafka1479 2 years ago 3
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Kafka1479 2 years ago
I wonder what 'further action' you think you can take?
LOL, silly little boy.
rhettboy 2 years ago
Another video started with 'I really didn't want to make this video, but...'.
If you don't want to make any videos, Lee, perhaps you shouldn't be on Youtube. One less source of useless, bullshit, rightwing rhetoric will never be a bad thing.
You might think you know 'how the world works', Lee, but you sure as shit don't know how Youtube works.
rhettboy 2 years ago 4
Shit i wish someone would sew your mouth shut, you talk too much, too fast and even in your sleep your mouth must keep blabbering. How do you eat food without biting your tongue off?
blade004 2 years ago 3
Linking to defamatory content is not now, nor ever has been illegal or actionable in any way, and has been set in several judicial precedents in the last few years.
Hell, even the Canadians figured this one out last week.
On top of that, you wont be able to prove defamation on the part of that original video.
Be a man, stop crying a river about mean 'ol bullies here on youtube.
mwhitetail 2 years ago 6
I understand defending yourself HTWW. You have a valid point. Having a tantrum like this is just stupid though. There are much better ways to handle yourself.
supersoulfly 2 years ago 2
HA HA HA! You stupid douche! You finally got yours! Go cry into your wheaties, you whiny bitch. It's the internet, "defamation" is a staple here,get used to it. Go ahead and try to do something about it.
BOO HOOO, THUNDERFOOT IS MAKING FUN OF ME!!! WAAAAHHH!!
Eat a dick.
cstrand31 2 years ago
I don't understand how the reference to those friends channels is supposed to be proof that HTWW doesn't have sock accounts.
If anything, I would think that the fact that so many consistently decide to subscribe to those accounts, and so few decide not to subscribe to those accounts is evidence against HTWW
I don't however understand how a person is supposed to discern between sock accounts and non-sock accounts.
perditiontheelder 2 years ago
stupid shit, your going after Tfoot when ur beef is with the other guy, go hug a speeding car.
buddha420christ 2 years ago 3
Do you have any idea of what action you can actually take?
You're a moron, with no fucking clue of 'how the world works'.
Fucking cretin. Grow up and get over yourself.
hackenbollox 2 years ago
Suck a dick, HTWW.
lanz0r4tehwin 2 years ago
Thunderf00t kicked your ass.
lordwindowlicker 2 years ago
stop crying you dumbass, just asmit you are a moron!
vince19811981 2 years ago
Thunderf00t called his bluff, LOL.
gregrutz 2 years ago
The video is still up.
YOU LIE! (free speech hater is what you are)
CrystalFarm 2 years ago
Bitch ass motherfucker, thunderf00t still has the video up. SUCK A COCK BIIITCH
treesapa 2 years ago
lol, You're a Creationist.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago 3
Nice ad hominem. I would just like to know the explanation of why there are absolutely no fossil records of transitional organisms that would prove evolution.
I by no means state as fact that a supreme being created life, but conversely I don't support the 'theory' that life was somehow planted on this planet by alien meteors (yes, that is a theory of evolution), or that it spontaneously arose from carbon without any proof of the actual evolution.
It is a great theory, but open for debate
spike8088 2 years ago
That is a GROSS over-simplification. And that is ABIOGENESIS! NOT evolution. Learn to science!
southparkgtaca 2 years ago 22
Wow ... just ... wow
TheDeadApple 2 years ago
Thunderf00t not just featured that video made by "cristoballs" AGIAN, but he just made his own video about all this at 5:35PM PST (8:35 EST) as of Sun. 9/20/2009.
I'm not saying weather or not this is good or bad, I'm only saying this to let everyone know who is reading this comment.
mbarrera47 2 years ago 3
Yup Thunderf00t still has the video up. Saying he has taken it down is just as viable a defamation case for him as is your claim he defamed you. People throw around "defamation" like it's a threat. Thunderfoot could use the "fair comment on a matter of public interest" defense and you'd be left with nothing.
lordboojum 2 years ago
I can;t tell if those are real subs or not. You should explain that part more.
AsmiustheVampire 2 years ago
By the way, saying they are REAL subscribers does not prove they are real. Christ, are you 12?
mancrushonhanksnow 2 years ago 5
This has been flagged as spam show
Lol good point =P
CrystalFarm 2 years ago
hmm, your banner says Thunderf00t took down the video, but as of today (Sep 20), it's still there
hmmm
FAIL
atheistcunuk 2 years ago 5
Lol I'm eager to see your "further action."
mancrushonhanksnow 2 years ago 4
I have an idea. How about you stop acting like a child. You have further action? Take it.
Whining will get you nowhere. Man up.
Rundvelt 2 years ago 2
Hm, caught red handed in a lie. What a loser.
seriouslymatsteele 2 years ago 2
watch?v=4JHwZXQ8Hv4
Thunderfoot fed you your ass.
TheRichDarkEarth 2 years ago 6
Thunderf00t did NOT take that feature down. In fact, he featured ANOTHER video like the first. STOP lying Howtheworld[doesn't]work. You are a lying idiot.
flygirlhandm 2 years ago 5
You seem to be confused-- Thunderf00t's video is still up.
Your rebuttal to allegations that the subscribers in question are fake is simply telling us that "these are real subscribers", as if emphasizing the word "real" proves the point. You proved nothing.
I'd suggest you calm down and stop calling names.
burpen 2 years ago 7
Oh. They are "real subscribers?"
Well NOW I believe you! So long as you say it.
CeraSeptem 2 years ago 3
I find it funny that the 1st 2 accounts he called 'real subscribers' were the same one.
bAcHnEsSmOnStA 2 years ago 5
Featuring a video is not defamation. You can't stop people from featuring a video. Are you mental?
MrBrainmold 2 years ago 5
Thunderf00t not just featured that video made by "cristoballs" AGIAN, but he just made his own video about all this just now at 5:35PM PST (8:35 EST) as of Sun. 9/20/2009.
I'm not saying weather or not this is good or bad, I'm only saying this to let everyone know who is reading this comment.
mbarrera47 2 years ago 2
LOL!!! You are actually trying to explain away all those sock accounts? Are you serious?? Several people don't all join up within a few weeks and subscribe to your - and only your - inner circle all at once. Just because you shout REAL REAL REAL doesn't make it so.
eggkunt 2 years ago 7
Um, Tfoot DIDN'T take down the video
...
You can see it for yourself if you'd like
And if they are all real people, why are they ONLY SUBSCRIBED TO YOU, JUST YOU, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE 2007
HAVE YOU NO SHAME?
nhmllr725 2 years ago 4
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paulo101 2 years ago
"REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS, REAL SUBSCRIBERS!"
Bollocks.
Yes, there are links to recommended accounts upon subscribing, but... you forgot to mention how easy it might be for one to create an account then quickly subscribe to all these associated accounts in a few minutes. Perhaps they do it in order to make the account come across as authentic. Bet you didn't think of that one did you, numbskull.
paulo101 2 years ago 4
Defamation?
More like you got busted.
jnjoblon 2 years ago 4
...oh and since you demanded to have the video removed, it will be posted and featured 10 fold.
jnjoblon 2 years ago 4
Thunderf00t did not actually make the video, and does not use defamation...
Now, my Law degree may only be valid in Guam... But by my understanding, you claiming that he uses defamation when you are aware that he does not is in itself defamation... how has thunderf00t himself defamed you? or is this just you trolling for more subs by attacking big you-tubers AGAIN? i suppose fred will be your next "victory"?
BrightRaven0 2 years ago 2
"Sub to me for proof!"
That just made me laugh, so frickin' hard.
MelodeathAddict 2 years ago 9
"sub to me for hot sex!"
BrightRaven0 2 years ago
So...someone else made a video talking smack about you, and thunderf00t is the bad guy? Just because he featured it? Honestly, are you *that* easy to rough-up?
After your last series regarding thunderf00t, you said you'd not talk about him again. How long did that last? Five-six months? Good job going against your word and wasting your time.
ZOMGBananas 2 years ago 4
Cough*venomvangx*cough
BrightRaven0 2 years ago 4
I lol'd :D
ChairmanKiel 2 years ago 2
i think it's defamatory enough for u to just view ur channel from time to time ... no need for second hand intervention ....
symelian 2 years ago
oh yes i almost forgot ... this is my REAL perpetuum mobile!
Q. E. D. :)
symelian 2 years ago
I love how he gave his demands to TF and then quickly afterwards did his usual end-of-video schpiel (spelling?). Sorta reminded me of those disclaimers at the end of car ads on the radio.
kommisar 2 years ago
Lee,
I have only recently begun watching your videos in order to broaden my understanding of the political discourse on the conservative stances. Sufficet to say, I may not agree with you but enjoy your arguments and also find you to be a very intellgient, passionate and caring individual. However these latest videos are aan embarrassment. I think you are capable of much more than this bickering between, especially with users who you shouldn't waste your time on.
xXxPKw00txXx 2 years ago
Why would you lie and say thunderfoot took down the video? It really undermines my ability to believe what you say when you tell lies that can disproved by one click of my mouse. That video is still featured on his account. Why did you lie?
nadiaTeeze 2 years ago
Asking (politely) that Thunderf00t take down a video after you've proven it wrong: acceptable
Asking youtube to remove a video that exercises free speech: unacceptable
Mustex4 2 years ago
Dear Mr. Lee Doren aka HTTW:
It has come to the attention of a number of YouTubers, including myself, that you are in the habit of censoring and banning others who disagree with you.
Would you care to comment on this? ☺
upsilon054 2 years ago
What a wiener. This guy doesn't have the good sense of a sock.
judgemartiniz 2 years ago
I absolute love you for this video.
GoodGuy4life199 2 years ago
Just ignor guys like that, they aint shit if they defamin you from YT, just fuck them and move on.
MSNIMSM 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Lee,
Rush can't make it to the circle jerk tonight, so it's just going to be you, Hannity, O'Reilly and Satan. Bill asks that you please bring the cherry lube you were telling him about.
Thx
abstracht 2 years ago 2
LOL, you are going to try and sue thunderf00t for defamation? Accusing somebody of having sock accounts isn't defamation. You pseudo-conservatives crack me up. One minute, you are whining about a litigious society, but as soon as you get your feeling hurt, you threaten to sue.
dlhitch2007 2 years ago 5
"Accusing somebody of having sock accounts isn't defamation. "
Genius, having a sock account is fraudulently inflating your influence on YouTube.
He's accusing him of fraud.
You're telling a lawyer what is and isn't defamation.
For your next trick you will explain quantum physics to Stephen Hawking and Richard Feynman.
Idiot.
ariesvids 2 years ago
He has every right to "defame". If it's not harassment or offensive, then according to YouTube, it's fair game.
You can't fight everyone who claims that you have a sixth toe.
CopperGaut 2 years ago
"Genius, having a sock account is fraudulently inflating your influence on YouTube."
It's not a crime, and no DA in the world would take you to court having sock accounts on Youtube.
A successful lawsuit requires that actual damages have occurred.
"You're telling a lawyer what is and isn't defamation."
Lee is a lawyer? He must not be a very good one. He's doing this for a living instead.
Perhaps he will sue me for defamation now. I'm scared!!!!
dlhitch2007 2 years ago
HWW, you haven't been around for long, and you've built up a large subscriber base. You have a different political perspective from most popular YouTube channels. That alone is sufficient for most here to launch fraudulent smear campaigns against you.
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago
Wait a minute....A liberal is lying, and you are surprised?
hoppinglark 2 years ago
I'm one of Lee Doren's sock accounts.
Watch as I mark down people who don't agree with me.
CaptainFaceMans 2 years ago
So let me get this straight :
You wanted no one to see that video, because it is not true. And you just decided to make a video about that video, pointing out and screaming towards thunderf00t's featured video about you having sock accounts. I didn't even knew about this, untill I saw this vid. And thanks to you, I now know you have sock accounts here on yt. Many ! Thanks for the info. You rock, blah blah blah now leave me alone.
Yamakoto120 2 years ago
What?!?? Your post stops making sense halfway through. How does this convince you he has sock accounts? Did you watch the video all the way through?
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago
Yes I watched the video all the way through. But he didn't prove anything. He just said why those sock accounts subscribe to the same peoples. But they are still sock accounts because they all have 5-6 videos watched, and haven't been on for like a week or so. I mean really, who makes a youtube account, watches 10 videos, subscribes to HTWW, then never again comes on that account !? Come on, you're a preacher, you know some peoples are harder to manipulate than others. Most of us are not stupid
Yamakoto120 2 years ago 3
well, if you actually opened your eyes, youd see that these subscribers have hundreds of watched videos
HooverBeast 2 years ago
Well, it's more complicated than I originally thought, so maybe I shot my mouth off too soon. I apologize and retract my original comment to you.
GlorifiedTruth 2 years ago
Buhuu,
someone defames you on YT ?
Get over it.
KtBdOKW 2 years ago
the lie was out there long enough for the damage to be done. their drones' brains are washed and never cleansed.
liberalviewer and thunderfoot are the most dishonest and disingenuous accounts on youtube.
amagilly 2 years ago
You spend a lot of time alone as a child?
myrmecia1977 2 years ago 2
@myrmecia1977, No sir, I was not alone a lot as a child.
gregarganda 2 years ago
Then what went wrong?
myrmecia1977 2 years ago
Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
TylerNutify 2 years ago
owned
pizzafrenzyman 2 years ago
TF should seriously lay off. cuz i think this guy's gonna start crying like a lil girl. lol. and y'all are doing a great job sucking on his dick. it's important to comfort your own and stick together.
DUPERMAN99 2 years ago 3
People liek thunderf00t are idiots. You do great work don't let one rotten apple bother you. I believe us subscriber stand behind your work. God Bless
MrRonnierams 2 years ago
Nobody cares what those losers say... just keep putting out the good word. Their comments are fogotten as soon as they are done speaking. Don't waste too much time on them
shawno66 2 years ago
Liberals are immoral backstabbers. They lie to no end to get what they want. They demonize with the most ridiculously unethical tactics possible like for example Joe Wilson "racism" ... we ALL know that was not racism. Liberals are pure evil and honestly anyone who aligns with them is truly siding with pure evil. Conservatives don't need to demonize already evil people, but the devils themselves accuse the saints as it were.
leonheart00 2 years ago
Does anyone even watch thunderfoot anymore?
zzx2847 2 years ago
Where is the video you claim thunderf00t made to defame you? There are no links in the side bar.
thedefenceman 2 years ago 5
how the world works has a huge conservative dick that all the little libs are afraid of!
Pull0utBoy 2 years ago
thunder foot is a total douche bag piece of shit liberal faggot!
Pull0utBoy 2 years ago
So there are 10+ people out there to whom you were the first person they subscribed, and they went on to all subscribe to 100% of the recommended users that came up which they have never watched, and never subscribed to another person after that point?
Yarcofin 2 years ago 5
Who?
Dasllama01 2 years ago
Please enable subscriber views so individuals can verify themselves you subscriber list.
Also you may want to clarify that the issue with your known accounts wasn't that you had other accounts, the issue was you seem to be subscribing to your own channel, making friends of yourself and favoriting your own videos. Seems a bit bizarre.
chaogenus 2 years ago 6
Lee, you won't be able to stop the juicebox mafia. This is seriously their credo. Make up stuff. Spread it Repeat it. Listserv themselves. Recycle.
brennan59 2 years ago
You're gonner get this because you are voice for freedom and they will try to wind you up, etc. Don't worry about it, keep you head high and remmeber you represent something now that is bigger than you. Love your channel.
AmazingTheGaytheist 2 years ago
ummm, thunderfoot didnt make the video, twat.
samus1225 2 years ago
ooohhhh its on!!! its on like donkey kong!!!! Go on lee kick ass and take names.
Jkl9559 2 years ago
Hey HTWW
Check this out.
Defamation of character involves written or spoken harm to a person or organization's reputation. Defamation of character includes libel and slander. Libel is written defamation of character. Slander is spoken defamation of character.
personal-injury-info,net/defamation-of-character,htm
To open the link, replace the commas with periods.
Get a lawyer & sue his ass
BuckFarack 2 years ago
''I demand the video is removed immediately, since it is untrue.''
I lold. The world does not work this way mr HowTheWorldWorks.
CreationDebunked 2 years ago
If he doesn't take the video down we should gang up and cook up something to defame him in response.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
A better question would be, "can you prove that they are not real?" Burden of proof doesn't fall on the accused, brah. It would be absolutely ridiculous to expect HTTW to dispute every falsehood in every attack that comes his way. There just aren't enough hours in the day for that.
jhayemdoubleyou 2 years ago
HTWW, you are great, I have subscribed, watched, and greatly enjoyed your vids, but you are just as guilty of defamation by that definition. Sorry dude but you are gunna lose this one,
saylerz21 2 years ago
Seriously? This is your defense? Good luck with that. ;>
pyrite13 2 years ago
BAAAWW
You make more people aware of this guy by mentioning him. Also you bring ridicule on yourself when you beat your chest and threaten "to take further action" -- such as?
Honestly, I didn't know about the guy fucking with your videos, I doubt a lot of people did. He doesn't have many views and few subs; I know about him now though.
Ignore his ass, you are successful on your own merits.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago
Dude, Download & screen save everything, Get a lawyer & sue his ass
BuckFarack 2 years ago
actually no laws have been broken when it comes to both the person who created the video and thunderf00t.
Making such a suit would be a waste of time and money.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Are you a lawyer ?
BuckFarack 2 years ago
Actually i am not. Though i do not have a lawyer degree, you can easily do the research and see that no laws were broken. The person making the video did not violate any DMCA laws, no did he violate any civil liberties. Thunderf00t can not be prosecuted under any court system, for his featuring can not be shown as a malicious attempt to defame HTWW's character. now if TF made a video promoting the video already in question, then thats a whole different story.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Ryoka242
Really ?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I remember a lady suing McDonald's for a million dollars cause she burnt herself with coffee.
HTWW, Go see a Lawyer.
BuckFarack 2 years ago
The reason why that old lady won that law suit is because she burnt her upper lip when she was drinking their hot coffee. The only reason why she won was because as a place of business, a company has to label all possiblilities that someone can get hurt. ie. wet floor, low ceillings, hot surface signs...
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Really ?
HTWW, Go see a Lawyer.
BuckFarack 2 years ago
McDonald's lost that suit because they failed to comply with health and safety standards regulated by OASHA.. Which is why the court settled with the old lady who burnt herself trying to drink "HOT" coffee from a cup that wasnt labeled "HOT"
Ryoka242 2 years ago
You shouldn't bother dignifying them with a response. Some people just like getting under someone's skin.
waste234 2 years ago