one of the best scene in my book even know that i don`t understand quite a thing but hey it`s David Lynch but goddam this scence is great and creepy at the same time
Does anybody else make comparisons between this scene and the Winkie's scene in Mulholland Drive? Seems to be something Lynch must find particularly scary, a recurring nightmare coming true...
"Generally speaking, a ghastly place, reeking of virtue's sour smell. Engorged with the whispered prayers of kneeling mothers, mewling newborns, and fools, young and old, compelled to do good without reason."
all evil for real, is caused by & done by those same idiots that split themselves, into dark & light. that is why things on this planet / this reality concerning people are so fucked up, the only real people are the ones not part of that dumbass conspiracy, they are the 'blues' or equivalent of such. that's why folks like me baulk when those other types 'explain' things with shite lies about being your own worst enemy etc - it only applies to fakes, not to real people like me. we don't harm us.
re. lot of comments here about BOB being Cooper, why? i recall the series was pretty clear that Lelund was BOB (it seemed pretty explicit once it finished, plus other clues like when Mike (one-armed guy) etc pulled up alongside him & were angry cause of what he used the Lodge for), so is that as well as being Cooper according to comments here, or have they just not seen the series?..
@JustSomePerson888 Think back to the show and movie: Bob is an entity that possesses mortal men to have them commit heinous crimes so he can feed off the pain those crimes bring about. He jumps from person to person. At the end of Twin Peaks he jumps from Leland to (doppelganger) Coop.
Have you seen the series and the film in their full?
@richcapo - i don't remember him jumping into coop at the end of the series, i did watch it all - when it was first broadcast, i was in high school at the time. so i may just have forgotten what happens in it after leyland is shown to have been bob / possessed by bob.
those entities are real, there's a bob that stalks me online, it has 1000s of channels or it just controls all the idiots that have those channels. same thing either way.
i also don't recall coop having an evil-twin in this.
@richcapo - what i recall of the series' end is - we find out leyland killed laura, the focus of the entire series having been about who killed her.
coop is a blude lodge, so he isn't a dark lodge nor a white. he isn't in the polarity fake thing, he's outside of that, which is why he is able to see it for what it really is.
so it's like blue velvet again - all along the town knows they are into evil shit, but there's denial of it and abuse of the occult going on.
@JustSomePerson888 You need to watch the series and the movie again, JSP. You've got it all wrong. The Twin Peaks saga ends just as I said it does. Also, there's no Blue Lodge; just the Red Room, the White Lodge, and the Black Lodge.
@richcapo - idiot, what i wrote is what happens in it. of couse there's a fucking blude lodge, it's what lots of the stories other allusions hinted towards, plus it's stated out right "dale is in the blude lodge". it's just like in real life, eg indigo's and 'blue' aliens = good.
when i wrote what i remembered, i didn't mean i am unsure those things happened - as i made clear, i wrote there's likely things i forgot happened - such as this doppelganger coop and bob jumping into him.
It's the White Lodge, not the Blue Lodge. Here's a description of the White Lodge:
"Once upon a time, there was a place of great goodness, called the White Lodge. Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy, laughing spirits. The sounds of innocence and joy filled the air. And when it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused one's heart with a desire to live life in truth and beauty."
@JustSomePerson888 And here are two nice descriptions of the Black Lodge, which is the opposite of the WHITE, not BLUE, lodge:
"The legend says that every spirit must pass through there on the way to perfection. There, you will meet your own shadow self. My people call it 'The Dweller on the Threshold' ... But it is said, if you confront the Black Lodge with imperfect courage, it will utterly annihilate your soul."
"But, I am happy to point out that our story does not end in this wretched place of saccharine excess. For there's another place, its opposite: A place of almost unimaginable power, chock full of dark forces and vicious secrets. No prayers dare enter this frightful maw. The spirits there care not for good deeds or priestly invocations, they're as likely to rip the flesh from your bone as greet you with a happy 'good day.'"
"And if harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled screams and broken hearts would offer up a power so vast that its bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking."
@richcapo - Dale is blue lodge. it says that in the series. the movie takes place BEFORE the series, though it was filmed & released afterwards.
the white lodge is the black lodge, it's the same as real life. they split themselves into an evil part and good part, and keep the stupid fake drama going. that's why even though they all know who / what killed laura palmer all along, they pretend to be normal and not part of the stuff she got involved with, or they are denying it out of shame etc.
@JustSomePerson888 No, I'm sorry, but that's not correct. There is no Blue Lodge, just the White Lodge, the Black Lodge, and the Red Room. As for the movie: it is both a prequel and a sequel -- it treats time non-linearly, though most of it is in the past. Hence Laura's admission to the White Lodge (the angel scene) and the appearance of young, good Dale prior to Dale's arrival to Twin Peaks; hence also Annie's appearance in Laura's bed on the day of Laura's death.
@richcapo - cunt i didn't imagine them saying in the tv series that dale is blue lodge. you're saying that cause you're a black-white fake in real life. even if i watched the whole series again and it wasn't in it this time - all that'd prove is that you satanists removed it. just like your cult removes trees and noise-pollutes while you do so.
fuck off phoney white-black lodge polarity-mind tards, you ruined this whole fucking reality and made it hell on earth with all your capitalist non-gaian evil. and in this fictional version you put major briggs on a wheel, cause he's a blue book ufo guy (and why he was in the original stargate tv show later as the same character). kill yourself.
@richcapo - i just wonder as well, how do you honestly suppose it's possible to honestly find peace here? even if you find somewhere to live that is free of scum that cause hell, that doesn't change the fact that lots of other people (presumably as good as me, since i can't possibly be the only real human here) will still be having their world made hell, so ergo - for me to claim i found peace would be a lie, as i'd be ignoring the facts of what continues to go on elsewhere to others.
@richcapo - i just checked you channel - no wonder you are trying to deny things about this, looks like you're a real life black-white lodge evil, with all that freemason crap at your channel.
the usual, distortions of the real meaning of anything that offers a path out of the evil of polarity consciousness and it's s&m dynamic, of being the cause of its own suffering.
@JustSomePerson888 I have no idea what you're talking about: Deny things about the show and movie? The show ends with Bob in possession of Dale's doppleganger. And the quotes are: "I'm in the Black Lodge with Dale Cooper" and, from the movie, "My name is Annie. I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
watch the backwards talk lessons on the DVD boxsets :) It's incredibly hard to actually do esp on film as youve to form the mouth shapes backwards as well!
@help4343 - it's like a Philadeliphia Experiment type thing, Bowie plays Tesla in that film Prestige, and the whole 'mythos' behind that (stuff like Montauk Project) is about messing with spacetime, and it leaving people phasing in and out of reality in ways like in this movie here, FWWM.
obviously linearly Prestige wasn't out then, but that's a bit like the point of story arcs like this, also in Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway. for some, at the time, they'd have known of future-films.
Coop's destiny has always been to be trapped in the Black Lodge for 25 years. This places his excape c. 2016. But I ask who is President Coop? Does Obama win by the slimmest of margings or the does the Black Lodge win, with President Perry atop the throne, Bush 3.0.....Fire Walk With Me.
This scene was shot originally 20 minutes long but Lynch cut it down to 4. Hopefully the rest of it is released with deleted scenes because it's one of the best parts of the film.
From the closed captions and some of the scripts floating around on the InterWebz, and stuff I read over a decade ago, it seems that "Elga" is the mystery word Jeffries is using here.
Question: Do you think The Giant was from the White Lodge or was he just an extension of The Man From Another Place? I remember him saying "One and the same".
@TraverseTown123X It will always be up for debate but I always reckoned that it was the elderly bellhop the Giant was referring to when he says 'one and the same'.
@TraverseTown123X "Do you think The Giant was from the White Lodge or was he just an extension of The Man From Another Place? I remember him saying "One and the same"."
He was referring to him and Senor Droolcup being the same person. Along with MIKE, I believe the Giant is a White Lodger.
If I'm interpreting this correctly based on the full shot seen at around 2:01 where you can see the entire meeting, the Black Lodge entities are from left to right: The Jumping Man, The Electrician, Mrs. Tremond-Chalfont, Pierre Tremond-Chalfont, Two Woodsmen (one on the couch and one on the far right). In front is The Man From Another Place, and BOB.
Missing is MIKE, because he left the Black Lodge and became a roaming spirit or joined the White Lodge. The Man From Another Place is his arm.
Garmonbozia is "pain and suffering", which is seemingly a powerful force within the Black Lodge. It takes the form of creamed corn when it is in the "real" physical world, our world. It's in the show and in Fire Walk With Me.
Well,maybe everything after 0:20 is Cooper's dream,that he he told Cole about.Just the viewer is kept to believe that this is really happening.It might be just a flashback to Cooper's dream.
It really is the best scene :) Love Twin Peaks, it's nothing more confusing than an everyday life could be, you just have to look at it in a specific way...I mean who knows...maybe we do live inside of a dream...
Jeffries is frightened at the sight of Coop because he's just been in the Black Lodge. Coop's doppelganger resides in the Black Lodge. Nothing to do with with time travel.
Also, the ring mentioned in this scene is the very same that will save Laura's soul and prevent BOB from harvesting her "garmonbozia"/pain and suffering.
according to the time line and when Twin Peaks actually went off the air, Dale Cooper should be getting out of the Black Lodge about 4 and a half years from now. They (Mark Frost and David Lynch) should finish it. The only scenes that relay info pertaining past season two, is this one and when Annie appears bloodied in Laura's bed, telling her to write the time line in her diary.
It's gratuitously weird. That is, it gets plaudits for being 'so baffling it must be genius' Throw a dwarf, a rock god and a few masks against the screen and voila Fellini is born.
@desertrun speak for yourself. not everybody missed it's context in the twin peaks movie and series. makes a lot of sense when you consider the spirits this story is about and who/what they're supposed to represent.
@countturrack I'm not exactly sure because he's yelling & mumbling his words together, but it sounds like, "Oh god, baby damn no!" and then he says "I found something."
@coleon8 - stairway, yes, it sounds like the lost timeline of real camelot does that music (and the lyrics being based on Sitchin's books of the same title also - says it all really), where nobody would claim the aethers didn't exist and nature-spirits weren't real things...
Philip Jefferies ran afoul of the Black Lodge (as did the other two FBI agents who got close to BOB, Desmond and Coop) The weird scene is some kind of civil tribunal among Lodge entities. BOB, after being released from thralldom by the conversion of MIKE, started bogarting the Garmonbozia. TLMFAP (i.e. MIKE's arm) didn't appreciate that shit one little bit. It was resolved at "the formica table of the convenience store (which I don't interpret as being in this world.) BOB later gives it back.
After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that this may be an actual meeting of the FBI. An embarrassing group of people. Complete fucking morons.
@corporatewarrior Yah, also since time isn't linear in the black lodge (how else could Cooper be trapped in there from the end of the series in the prequel? also remember the man from another place tells him the gum he likes is going to come back in style... lol) they probably freeze time in a way for when they cross over. Gotta wonder who Judy is though.
This is a great scene highlighted by Bowie acting in it but it's just David Lynch fucking with the audience, I doubt he had a finite storyline figured out.
It's the purposefulness of Jeffries' walk, the sound editing that comes on when he walks down the hall, and the sheer panic in Cooper's voice that sets this apart. Lynch is often dumping his sub-conscious on the screen but this also shows his technical ability reaching great heights.
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When Phillip points to Cooper and says "who do you think this is?" is he referring to BOB, since BOB is inside Cooper at the end of the series.. despite that this is before the series, I personally think that the black lodge exists out of time and space, therefore Phillip considering Cooper as BOB because that is Coop's destiny.
@dawntwist david lynch put that line in there to get people like u to mention it and think about it. after the series. i dont think lynch has any idea how to resolve the twin peaks story.
@dawntwist Maybe your right but david lynch specified that the movie can place before and after the series for some reason.... i did stop triying to understand him by now
@dawntwist interesting, never saw it that way but there are some other places in the movie where it's both before and after the series(coops "girlfriend" showing up in lauras bed) so it could be...mhm...damn you lynch!
@dawntwist He points to Coop, asks "Who do you think this is?" and then the image of the Jumping Man is superimposed over Cooper for a good while. In my opinion, the Jumping Man is Good Dale under the control of Bob. Notice that he stops moving when Bob claps.
People can say all they want about one armed men, log ladies, and backwards talking small men as being freaky, but for me the the sound editing is the most profoundly messed up thing about his movies and TV.
Isn't the boy in the mask listed in the credits as the "Magician"? I think he's the "Magician Who Longs To See" and he and the old lady ferry people between the real world and the black lodge.
Here, all the gang are gathered in the room above the convenience store; the Magician dances and chants and the Black Lodge appears.
Awesome scene, never get tired of it. Sends chills down my spine every time.
As for the interpretation, Phillip Jeffries manages to slip out of Black Lodge for a moment (possibly due to Chester Desmond being kidnapped there) and returns to his old FBI headquarters. Time moves differently in Black Lodge and he knows already what will happen to Cooper ("Who do you think..."). The rest is usual Black Lodge scary shit, Dale & the others get a glimpse of the spiritworld (or whatever).
@ZaireBetter A norwegian newspaper (Morgenbladet) made the same point. In their review, they noted how relatively conventional and straightforward the dreamscapes were, and imagined how amazing the material could be under Lynch's direction
@mundanewarrior ha ha, couldn't agree with you more, he could of given that movie some real depth and meaning but the average audience would be completely baffled by it
I loved the tv show but this movie was wonderfully boring and stupid. We didn't need prequel. No wonder it was a big Flop in the box office.. Even phenomenally brilliant Sheryl Lee's acting couldn't save this movie. And why the hell they ignored Sherilyn Fenn here? She was the most beautiful, charming and mysterious character in Twin Peaks.
Can't believe they are making Alien prequel. It will be another flop
I don't bother with interpretations, no disrespect. I watch, and am transported into whatever scenic vista of sublime surrealism Mr. Lynch wants to take me. YES, it is art. It is up to us to make our own meaning. He even says some scenes are gibberish to him. Ah...but see? That's the sign of a good storyteller...keeping you guessing. What's real? What's a dream? And what the heck just happened? (This film haunted me for years; still does.)
@mellowdude68 I agree. I think that those looking for/insisting on an intellectual "explanation" lack the ability or willingness to sit back and enjoy a bona fide abstract cinematic experience.
The electricity. All goes in a stream. Lynch always use electricity that connects the known world and the hidden Logde. Sometimes there is a mailfunction. Desmond, Philip and Cooper interfers the balance of these world and got punished. The known world is static, frame by frame, like inside a dream it never changes. But the hidden world is all opposite of everything we wish to be aware of (and not be aware of).
Lynch can put in motion some sides of your perception that don't use logic to understand things, and then you feel lost but aware at the same time as a result.
Bunch of demons / gods hanging out in a creepy location between dimensions.
DBCOOPER888 21 hours ago
Fucking hell. Twin Peaks AND David Bowie. I just came
fuckweed 1 day ago
That's funny, February 16th is my birthday.
travisnealtodd70 2 weeks ago
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necropulseband 3 weeks ago
I really want to see the longer version of the scene in the convinience store.
Labyrinthman 1 month ago
2:26 Happy Gilmore's Grandma was forced to do this film to keep Shooter McGavin from buying her house.
fishman017 1 month ago 2
Now we are not going to talk about Judy...
evanisgay11 1 month ago
Kids, don't do drugs m'kay. Drugs are bad, m'kay. Just watch Twin Peaks instead, m'kay.
TheMrBlinx 1 month ago
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Diane, I've just met David Bowie. Damn fine singer.
GodfatherAl102892 1 month ago
one of the best scene in my book even know that i don`t understand quite a thing but hey it`s David Lynch but goddam this scence is great and creepy at the same time
DEADSHADOW777 2 months ago
Does anybody else make comparisons between this scene and the Winkie's scene in Mulholland Drive? Seems to be something Lynch must find particularly scary, a recurring nightmare coming true...
DistantJ 2 months ago
thats it, this place is polluted with strange shit.......j'm calling in an airsttrike. all i need is the co-ordinates.........
spooksixsix 3 months ago
WHITE Lodge (not BLUE) con't:
"Generally speaking, a ghastly place, reeking of virtue's sour smell. Engorged with the whispered prayers of kneeling mothers, mewling newborns, and fools, young and old, compelled to do good without reason."
_Windom Earle
richcapo 3 months ago
all evil for real, is caused by & done by those same idiots that split themselves, into dark & light. that is why things on this planet / this reality concerning people are so fucked up, the only real people are the ones not part of that dumbass conspiracy, they are the 'blues' or equivalent of such. that's why folks like me baulk when those other types 'explain' things with shite lies about being your own worst enemy etc - it only applies to fakes, not to real people like me. we don't harm us.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
the detective is physic
hapbeyguano 3 months ago
I'm going to watch this the next time I'm tripping.
michelleyy13 4 months ago
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re. lot of comments here about BOB being Cooper, why? i recall the series was pretty clear that Lelund was BOB (it seemed pretty explicit once it finished, plus other clues like when Mike (one-armed guy) etc pulled up alongside him & were angry cause of what he used the Lodge for), so is that as well as being Cooper according to comments here, or have they just not seen the series?..
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Think back to the show and movie: Bob is an entity that possesses mortal men to have them commit heinous crimes so he can feed off the pain those crimes bring about. He jumps from person to person. At the end of Twin Peaks he jumps from Leland to (doppelganger) Coop.
Have you seen the series and the film in their full?
richcapo 3 months ago
@richcapo - i don't remember him jumping into coop at the end of the series, i did watch it all - when it was first broadcast, i was in high school at the time. so i may just have forgotten what happens in it after leyland is shown to have been bob / possessed by bob.
those entities are real, there's a bob that stalks me online, it has 1000s of channels or it just controls all the idiots that have those channels. same thing either way.
i also don't recall coop having an evil-twin in this.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@richcapo - what i recall of the series' end is - we find out leyland killed laura, the focus of the entire series having been about who killed her.
coop is a blude lodge, so he isn't a dark lodge nor a white. he isn't in the polarity fake thing, he's outside of that, which is why he is able to see it for what it really is.
so it's like blue velvet again - all along the town knows they are into evil shit, but there's denial of it and abuse of the occult going on.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 You need to watch the series and the movie again, JSP. You've got it all wrong. The Twin Peaks saga ends just as I said it does. Also, there's no Blue Lodge; just the Red Room, the White Lodge, and the Black Lodge.
richcapo 3 months ago
@richcapo - idiot, what i wrote is what happens in it. of couse there's a fucking blude lodge, it's what lots of the stories other allusions hinted towards, plus it's stated out right "dale is in the blude lodge". it's just like in real life, eg indigo's and 'blue' aliens = good.
when i wrote what i remembered, i didn't mean i am unsure those things happened - as i made clear, i wrote there's likely things i forgot happened - such as this doppelganger coop and bob jumping into him.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 "of couse there's a fucking blude lodge"
It's the White Lodge, not the Blue Lodge. Here's a description of the White Lodge:
"Once upon a time, there was a place of great goodness, called the White Lodge. Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy, laughing spirits. The sounds of innocence and joy filled the air. And when it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused one's heart with a desire to live life in truth and beauty."
CON'T
richcapo 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 And here are two nice descriptions of the Black Lodge, which is the opposite of the WHITE, not BLUE, lodge:
"The legend says that every spirit must pass through there on the way to perfection. There, you will meet your own shadow self. My people call it 'The Dweller on the Threshold' ... But it is said, if you confront the Black Lodge with imperfect courage, it will utterly annihilate your soul."
_Deputy Hawk
CON'T
richcapo 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Black Lodge CONT:
"But, I am happy to point out that our story does not end in this wretched place of saccharine excess. For there's another place, its opposite: A place of almost unimaginable power, chock full of dark forces and vicious secrets. No prayers dare enter this frightful maw. The spirits there care not for good deeds or priestly invocations, they're as likely to rip the flesh from your bone as greet you with a happy 'good day.'"
CONT
richcapo 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Black Lodge CONT No. 2
"And if harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled screams and broken hearts would offer up a power so vast that its bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking."
_Windom Earle
richcapo 3 months ago
@richcapo - Dale is blue lodge. it says that in the series. the movie takes place BEFORE the series, though it was filmed & released afterwards.
the white lodge is the black lodge, it's the same as real life. they split themselves into an evil part and good part, and keep the stupid fake drama going. that's why even though they all know who / what killed laura palmer all along, they pretend to be normal and not part of the stuff she got involved with, or they are denying it out of shame etc.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 No, I'm sorry, but that's not correct. There is no Blue Lodge, just the White Lodge, the Black Lodge, and the Red Room. As for the movie: it is both a prequel and a sequel -- it treats time non-linearly, though most of it is in the past. Hence Laura's admission to the White Lodge (the angel scene) and the appearance of young, good Dale prior to Dale's arrival to Twin Peaks; hence also Annie's appearance in Laura's bed on the day of Laura's death.
richcapo 3 months ago
@richcapo - cunt i didn't imagine them saying in the tv series that dale is blue lodge. you're saying that cause you're a black-white fake in real life. even if i watched the whole series again and it wasn't in it this time - all that'd prove is that you satanists removed it. just like your cult removes trees and noise-pollutes while you do so.
kill yourself.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@richcapo = rich fake-mafioso parasite.
fuck off phoney white-black lodge polarity-mind tards, you ruined this whole fucking reality and made it hell on earth with all your capitalist non-gaian evil. and in this fictional version you put major briggs on a wheel, cause he's a blue book ufo guy (and why he was in the original stargate tv show later as the same character). kill yourself.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Be well, my friend. Find peace.
richcapo 3 months ago
@richcapo - i just wonder as well, how do you honestly suppose it's possible to honestly find peace here? even if you find somewhere to live that is free of scum that cause hell, that doesn't change the fact that lots of other people (presumably as good as me, since i can't possibly be the only real human here) will still be having their world made hell, so ergo - for me to claim i found peace would be a lie, as i'd be ignoring the facts of what continues to go on elsewhere to others.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@richcapo - i just checked you channel - no wonder you are trying to deny things about this, looks like you're a real life black-white lodge evil, with all that freemason crap at your channel.
the usual, distortions of the real meaning of anything that offers a path out of the evil of polarity consciousness and it's s&m dynamic, of being the cause of its own suffering.
JustSomePerson888 3 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 I have no idea what you're talking about: Deny things about the show and movie? The show ends with Bob in possession of Dale's doppleganger. And the quotes are: "I'm in the Black Lodge with Dale Cooper" and, from the movie, "My name is Annie. I've been with Laura and Dale. The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave. Write it in your diary."
And so on.
richcapo 3 months ago
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So is what follows :19 the dream, or did it really happen?
help4343 4 months ago
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help4343 4 months ago
This movie is soo under-rated. One of the top horror/suspense/mystery movies ever made.
TonyAKA30 4 months ago
watch the backwards talk lessons on the DVD boxsets :) It's incredibly hard to actually do esp on film as youve to form the mouth shapes backwards as well!
toejamontoast 4 months ago
garmonbozia
cpsmalley 4 months ago in playlist twin peaks 3
... Did David have some weird accent? O.e
FlyingTurtletastic 4 months ago
Any idea what the mouth says (backwards) between 2:50 and 2:54?
richcapo 5 months ago
@richcapo I don't know about backwards, but fowards the mouth says "electricity"
LODGE4444 5 months ago
@richcapo Electricity.
celse7en 5 months ago
@richcapo "electricity"
rohaneowyn 4 months ago
This is almost identical to the "Poop Goblin" scene in Mulholland Drive.
Ichiboy900 5 months ago
watching this out of context is interesting to say the least :D
SprocketTalker 5 months ago
@SprocketTalker
It doesn't make much more sense in context.
help4343 4 months ago
@help4343 - it does, they show a shot of the Liberty Bell in Philly before it.
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
@JustSomePerson888
How does that make it make more sense?
help4343 4 months ago
@help4343 - it's like a Philadeliphia Experiment type thing, Bowie plays Tesla in that film Prestige, and the whole 'mythos' behind that (stuff like Montauk Project) is about messing with spacetime, and it leaving people phasing in and out of reality in ways like in this movie here, FWWM.
obviously linearly Prestige wasn't out then, but that's a bit like the point of story arcs like this, also in Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway. for some, at the time, they'd have known of future-films.
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
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@JustSomePerson888
Sorry, you are not making any more sense.
help4343 4 months ago
With David Lynch, thw word "weird" looses it's meaning.
ACruelPicture 5 months ago 3
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ACruelPicture 5 months ago
Well, I'm not gonna talk about Judy, in fact ... we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna keep her out of it.
bluemurderjazz 5 months ago 3
Coop's destiny has always been to be trapped in the Black Lodge for 25 years. This places his excape c. 2016. But I ask who is President Coop? Does Obama win by the slimmest of margings or the does the Black Lodge win, with President Perry atop the throne, Bush 3.0.....Fire Walk With Me.
justincmm 5 months ago 2
This scene was shot originally 20 minutes long but Lynch cut it down to 4. Hopefully the rest of it is released with deleted scenes because it's one of the best parts of the film.
necropulseband 5 months ago 6
@necropulseband Amen.
richcapo 5 months ago
Great. Amazing. Best art eveer. Lynch is a genius
uzaycooper 6 months ago
Interesting. Not the first time I've heard David Bowies southern accent. Strange shit!
NoDestinyLive4Now 6 months ago
Don't you think putting "WEIRD" in the title is a little redundant?
DoltSimpleton 7 months ago
is feb 22 the day she died?
r0yalgate 7 months ago
I reccomend every Twin Peaks fan to read the scripted version of this scene. I has been completely mangled by editing
eirikwegga 7 months ago
@eirikwegga Where can i find it?
1khandk 6 months ago
omg this is so trippy what is this craziness?!
elliechristine10 7 months ago
fantastic series of scenes!
lindsaysw 8 months ago
Scariest movie ever
Yungsoprano81 8 months ago 18
WTF!!!!!
KiwiJeevas 8 months ago
What a brilliant disturbing scene. Shows what you can do without invoking glamorous special effects.
Gadgets7777777 9 months ago 4
Jeffries says:
"Well, now. I'm not going to talk about Judy. In fact, we're not going to talk about Judy at all. We're going to keep her out of it.
Who do you think this is there?
I sure as hell want to tell you everything.
Oh, believe me. I followed. It was a dream. We live inside a dream.
The ring... [echo] ring. It was above a convenience store.
Listen, all. Listen carefully. I've been to one of their meetings. Elga, baby! Damn! No, I found something! And then there they were. Aah! Aah!"
tronbrain2 9 months ago
From the closed captions and some of the scripts floating around on the InterWebz, and stuff I read over a decade ago, it seems that "Elga" is the mystery word Jeffries is using here.
tronbrain2 9 months ago
Question: Do you think The Giant was from the White Lodge or was he just an extension of The Man From Another Place? I remember him saying "One and the same".
TraverseTown123X 9 months ago
@TraverseTown123X It will always be up for debate but I always reckoned that it was the elderly bellhop the Giant was referring to when he says 'one and the same'.
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@TraverseTown123X "Do you think The Giant was from the White Lodge or was he just an extension of The Man From Another Place? I remember him saying "One and the same"."
He was referring to him and Senor Droolcup being the same person. Along with MIKE, I believe the Giant is a White Lodger.
richcapo 3 months ago
If I'm interpreting this correctly based on the full shot seen at around 2:01 where you can see the entire meeting, the Black Lodge entities are from left to right: The Jumping Man, The Electrician, Mrs. Tremond-Chalfont, Pierre Tremond-Chalfont, Two Woodsmen (one on the couch and one on the far right). In front is The Man From Another Place, and BOB.
Missing is MIKE, because he left the Black Lodge and became a roaming spirit or joined the White Lodge. The Man From Another Place is his arm.
TraverseTown123X 9 months ago
Would have loved to have seen more David Bowie...
ThePrinceII 10 months ago
Garmonbozia is "pain and suffering", which is seemingly a powerful force within the Black Lodge. It takes the form of creamed corn when it is in the "real" physical world, our world. It's in the show and in Fire Walk With Me.
LodgeMemphis23 10 months ago
@LodgeMemphis23 Garmonbozia is the pain and suffering of murder victims. It's what the Black Lodge guys feed off.
LH270677 9 months ago
so what is Garmonbozia?
frablukur 10 months ago
@frablukur It's booze
dentaljeremie 10 months ago
I thought that Jefferies looked a calendar and was amazed that it was 1989. When did that happen? Isn't this the only time Jefferies appears?
mrsbuttsack 10 months ago
Well,maybe everything after 0:20 is Cooper's dream,that he he told Cole about.Just the viewer is kept to believe that this is really happening.It might be just a flashback to Cooper's dream.
evakar24 10 months ago
angelo baladamenti is a genius, i love this soundtrack
planetfunk69 10 months ago 4
incredible sound design !
WadabawSleeve 10 months ago
Ziggy played guitar
FredFuchs77 10 months ago
I don't get this.........
meNtor890 10 months ago
Anyone know where I can find a mask like the jumping man? I would like to use it for a costume contest :)
suspekt29 10 months ago
@suspekt29 make one for heaven's sake. maybe take another one and modify it. not everything can be found in stores.
meNtor890 10 months ago
It really is the best scene :) Love Twin Peaks, it's nothing more confusing than an everyday life could be, you just have to look at it in a specific way...I mean who knows...maybe we do live inside of a dream...
CalypsoU2fan 11 months ago 4
So which part is the dream, and which part really happened? This is a very confusing scene.
help4343 11 months ago
read the script, this part was much longer and even weirder if u can believe that.
kortick50 11 months ago
@corporatewarrior thanks. :)
countturrack 11 months ago
"He's gone! Albert, call the front desk!"
"I've got the front desk now, he was never here!"
Brock2097 11 months ago 5
So mysteriously beautiful. One of the best scenes in FWWM. And to not talk about the music, sooo nice. Love this!!!
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waistnotime 11 months ago
Meet the long lost Philip Jeffries! One of my all-time favorite scenes. God, this shit is creepy.
rijstevlaai 11 months ago
well that was fucking retarded...how could you think that's genius? just cause it's unique? ...stupid
bjwiebe123 11 months ago
Jeffries is frightened at the sight of Coop because he's just been in the Black Lodge. Coop's doppelganger resides in the Black Lodge. Nothing to do with with time travel.
Also, the ring mentioned in this scene is the very same that will save Laura's soul and prevent BOB from harvesting her "garmonbozia"/pain and suffering.
StevenLloyd95 1 year ago
according to the time line and when Twin Peaks actually went off the air, Dale Cooper should be getting out of the Black Lodge about 4 and a half years from now. They (Mark Frost and David Lynch) should finish it. The only scenes that relay info pertaining past season two, is this one and when Annie appears bloodied in Laura's bed, telling her to write the time line in her diary.
CHRUSTATIONATION821 1 year ago
hahahahahahahahaha. Bowie's fake acent. XD
elzashan 1 year ago
Thanks David Lynch, now let my nightmares begin.
SoaringTrumpet 1 year ago
It's gratuitously weird. That is, it gets plaudits for being 'so baffling it must be genius' Throw a dwarf, a rock god and a few masks against the screen and voila Fellini is born.
desertrun 1 year ago
@desertrun speak for yourself. not everybody missed it's context in the twin peaks movie and series. makes a lot of sense when you consider the spirits this story is about and who/what they're supposed to represent.
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desertrun 1 year ago
What is Philip Jeffries saying at 3:06? The first part of right before "I found something.."
countturrack 1 year ago
@countturrack I'm not exactly sure because he's yelling & mumbling his words together, but it sounds like, "Oh god, baby damn no!" and then he says "I found something."
FatMat426 1 year ago
that's David Lynch, isn't it? the guy with the hearing aid
mircea1910 1 year ago 4
@mircea1910
Sure is.
thot4 1 year ago
Yep...if you see a bustle in a hedgerow...
coleon8 1 year ago
@coleon8 - stairway, yes, it sounds like the lost timeline of real camelot does that music (and the lyrics being based on Sitchin's books of the same title also - says it all really), where nobody would claim the aethers didn't exist and nature-spirits weren't real things...
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
who the hell is that pinochio meet's the joker guy?
masondarko 1 year ago
who the hell is that at 1:58 and that guy at 2:48 wth?
mcSNAKe187 1 year ago
what does the little man say at 2:04?
mcSNAKe187 1 year ago
@mcSNAKe187 Garmonbozia :)
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mcSNAKe187 1 year ago
@mcSNAKe187 "Garmonbozia" (Pain and Suffering)
DistantJ 1 year ago
@DistantJ Cracked it 3 weeks ago :D No matter thx anyways :D
mcSNAKe187 1 year ago
don't search for too much logic in david lynch movies you wont find it ;)
mcSNAKe187 1 year ago
Its hard to tell but for those who don't know, when the kid takes the mask off and it shows his face its him, when he does it again its a monkey.
Epicness456 1 year ago
in your face LOST!
leorubin25 1 year ago 5
if the FBI was really like this, I think I would join up.
turtlewings 1 year ago
Philip Jefferies ran afoul of the Black Lodge (as did the other two FBI agents who got close to BOB, Desmond and Coop) The weird scene is some kind of civil tribunal among Lodge entities. BOB, after being released from thralldom by the conversion of MIKE, started bogarting the Garmonbozia. TLMFAP (i.e. MIKE's arm) didn't appreciate that shit one little bit. It was resolved at "the formica table of the convenience store (which I don't interpret as being in this world.) BOB later gives it back.
Hoopermazing 1 year ago 3
After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that this may be an actual meeting of the FBI. An embarrassing group of people. Complete fucking morons.
johntyler4 1 year ago
@johntyler4
Lol someone's on their period.
BelfastAtheist 1 year ago
If David Lynch ever wanted to do a collaboration I'd say he should collaborate with Darren Aronofsky or Christopher Nolan.
AuronTsubaki85 1 year ago
NORMAL
ralphcifaretto1 1 year ago
Is there anybody in there?
call the frontdesk!
They dont know?
theIlluminous1 1 year ago
A thousand different explanations just for one scene, that is Lynch's quality. Nice comments as well, at last a video free of Youtube cancer
MarauderU 1 year ago 2
@corporatewarrior Yah, also since time isn't linear in the black lodge (how else could Cooper be trapped in there from the end of the series in the prequel? also remember the man from another place tells him the gum he likes is going to come back in style... lol) they probably freeze time in a way for when they cross over. Gotta wonder who Judy is though.
DistantJ 1 year ago
@DistantJ I remember reading the script a while ago. Judy was Josie Packard's sister that lived in Buenos Aires and she owned a convenience store...
sargeyboy 1 year ago
@sargeyboy - Josey Packard (bell ring-ring) - Trouble At The Mill...
JustSomePerson888 4 months ago
This is a great scene highlighted by Bowie acting in it but it's just David Lynch fucking with the audience, I doubt he had a finite storyline figured out.
blackadder3 1 year ago
It's the purposefulness of Jeffries' walk, the sound editing that comes on when he walks down the hall, and the sheer panic in Cooper's voice that sets this apart. Lynch is often dumping his sub-conscious on the screen but this also shows his technical ability reaching great heights.
bombers7878 1 year ago
I wish the backwards talking was subtitled like in the TV show.
kdito 1 year ago
It goes like:
I want my Garmonbozia..
(Pain and sorrow)
People's garmonbozia is collected and eaten by the demonic beings who inhabit the Black Lodge, and visually resembles creamed corn.
This is farmica table,green is its colour.
Feel a victim..
With this ring,i thee wed...
Electricity
elfiotik 1 year ago
*** SPOILER ALERT DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SERIES ***
When Phillip points to Cooper and says "who do you think this is?" is he referring to BOB, since BOB is inside Cooper at the end of the series.. despite that this is before the series, I personally think that the black lodge exists out of time and space, therefore Phillip considering Cooper as BOB because that is Coop's destiny.
dawntwist 1 year ago 51
@dawntwist david lynch put that line in there to get people like u to mention it and think about it. after the series. i dont think lynch has any idea how to resolve the twin peaks story.
oshman4 1 year ago
@dawntwist Maybe your right but david lynch specified that the movie can place before and after the series for some reason.... i did stop triying to understand him by now
DEADSHADOW777 1 year ago
@DEADSHADOW777 because the movie finale is the series finale as well
putabuela 11 months ago
@dawntwist interesting, never saw it that way but there are some other places in the movie where it's both before and after the series(coops "girlfriend" showing up in lauras bed) so it could be...mhm...damn you lynch!
merd86 11 months ago
@dawntwist LOL I read this without ever seeing this movie and lemme just say I still have no fucking clue what this means haha! Spoiler proof
xgodlostx 9 months ago
@dawntwist He points to Coop, asks "Who do you think this is?" and then the image of the Jumping Man is superimposed over Cooper for a good while. In my opinion, the Jumping Man is Good Dale under the control of Bob. Notice that he stops moving when Bob claps.
richcapo 7 months ago
@dawntwist
Id agree with that.
Zodas79 5 months ago
People can say all they want about one armed men, log ladies, and backwards talking small men as being freaky, but for me the the sound editing is the most profoundly messed up thing about his movies and TV.
FrumpyShakes 1 year ago
@FrumpyShakes true, the sound effects in this scene are thorougly disturbing!
mangobanan 1 year ago
Isn't the boy in the mask listed in the credits as the "Magician"? I think he's the "Magician Who Longs To See" and he and the old lady ferry people between the real world and the black lodge.
Here, all the gang are gathered in the room above the convenience store; the Magician dances and chants and the Black Lodge appears.
jlim2397 1 year ago
@jlim2397 No, the boy is listed as "Mrs. Tremond's grandson." There is, however, a character in Mulholland Drive who's called "The Magician."
Trademarc1977 1 year ago
Awesome scene, never get tired of it. Sends chills down my spine every time.
As for the interpretation, Phillip Jeffries manages to slip out of Black Lodge for a moment (possibly due to Chester Desmond being kidnapped there) and returns to his old FBI headquarters. Time moves differently in Black Lodge and he knows already what will happen to Cooper ("Who do you think..."). The rest is usual Black Lodge scary shit, Dale & the others get a glimpse of the spiritworld (or whatever).
HCLayliainen 1 year ago 3
Imagine if David Lynch directed Inception? Wow!
ZaireBetter 1 year ago 112
@ZaireBetter A norwegian newspaper (Morgenbladet) made the same point. In their review, they noted how relatively conventional and straightforward the dreamscapes were, and imagined how amazing the material could be under Lynch's direction
eirikwegga 1 year ago
@ZaireBetter If David Lynch directed Inception, it would be an extraordinarily better film, but nobody would have seen it.
mundanewarrior 1 year ago 3
@mundanewarrior ha ha, couldn't agree with you more, he could of given that movie some real depth and meaning but the average audience would be completely baffled by it
fleamarket3000 1 year ago
@ZaireBetter IT WOULD BE FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!
DEADSHADOW777 1 year ago
@ZaireBetter He did it's called Mulholland Drive.
DragonFire365 8 months ago 9
@ZaireBetter except inception is shit!
toto0114 5 months ago
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I loved the tv show but this movie was wonderfully boring and stupid. We didn't need prequel. No wonder it was a big Flop in the box office.. Even phenomenally brilliant Sheryl Lee's acting couldn't save this movie. And why the hell they ignored Sherilyn Fenn here? She was the most beautiful, charming and mysterious character in Twin Peaks.
Can't believe they are making Alien prequel. It will be another flop
Magnolia296 1 year ago
I don't bother with interpretations, no disrespect. I watch, and am transported into whatever scenic vista of sublime surrealism Mr. Lynch wants to take me. YES, it is art. It is up to us to make our own meaning. He even says some scenes are gibberish to him. Ah...but see? That's the sign of a good storyteller...keeping you guessing. What's real? What's a dream? And what the heck just happened? (This film haunted me for years; still does.)
mellowdude68 1 year ago 4
@mellowdude68 I agree. I think that those looking for/insisting on an intellectual "explanation" lack the ability or willingness to sit back and enjoy a bona fide abstract cinematic experience.
Trademarc1977 1 year ago
The electricity. All goes in a stream. Lynch always use electricity that connects the known world and the hidden Logde. Sometimes there is a mailfunction. Desmond, Philip and Cooper interfers the balance of these world and got punished. The known world is static, frame by frame, like inside a dream it never changes. But the hidden world is all opposite of everything we wish to be aware of (and not be aware of).
malelion 1 year ago
i didn't even know stuff like this existed in the world.
TheViolenceIsCool 1 year ago 3
So truly evocative.
Lynch can put in motion some sides of your perception that don't use logic to understand things, and then you feel lost but aware at the same time as a result.
thesandband 1 year ago 4
David Lynch has acid for brains. xD
ThePieIsLie 1 year ago
Damn them for cutting the show. More than 2 seasons were needed, wanted, desired and loved......bastards!
joel474 1 year ago 2
where is chester desmond?
MillaHead 1 year ago
I would like to point out that Josie was never once said to be part of the 3rd season. I hate when people make this shit up.
liquidlevel2007 1 year ago
lynch like bosch paintings.
5150zombie 1 year ago
this is my favorite part i mean this entire whole scene to the end for some reason is my favorite and i don't know why.
leakesonasucs 1 year ago