When it comes down to it parents are going to discipline they way they see fit. It is my belief that parents need to focus on their children and give them the time and individual attention they deserve rather than focusing on what they've heard works for everyone else. After all, us as parents are the ones who get frustrated and act out, not our children, so if they learn that from us, wouldn't we be the reason for their aggressive behavior?
Spanking kids is in no way overrated or outdated. Too many kids today are given the freedom to do whatever they want, and get anyTHING they want. Of course you don't go overboard with it but you can spank your kid without being aggressive. I was spanked as a child and I'm the opposite of aggressive; I've never even been in a fight. Scientists really piss me off somtimes
Spanking is not a freaking sin people. I got spankings as a kid and I'm completely not aggressive at all! And people need to relies that not too long ago they did in schools! GET OVER IT!
Oh yeah and I'm probably one of the few conservatives who can say that I'm completely against corporal punishment. We need a law to make this abusive behavior illegal!!
I have always and will always be completely against spanking or ANY form of corporal punishment. Many families have brought up GREAT kids without ever hitting them. Because that's what spanking is. HITTING. If you slap someone in the face they are going to say you hit them. It doesn't matter where you do it. Its hitting. It hurts. It's wrong. Children aren't animals. And you shouldn't even hit animals either. If you KNOW there's a way to bring up your kids the right way without hitting them and
I live in Asia and EVERYONE "spanks" their kids (not like, violently with a paddle. More like a rough pat on the butt). So far, I haven't seen anyone getting fucked up by that. In reality, most people here are so timid, they cry at every flipping thing that happens to them.
@foojuice101 Yes, but you forget that people being people who are usually stupid and irrational will take things to extreme.
They will not only spank you with an open palm, but will use various instruments like canes, paddles, wires, belts, whips and chains that will constitute torture and war crimes under international courts.
They do it because it's NOT about punishment or correction, but sadism, power and taking out your anger on somebody less able to defend themselves.
Get real people. I was spanked often. I turned out well and have never been arrested. I respect authority. I do not agree with beating but spanking. This is what's wrong with society now days as kids do not respect their elders. Our children in our society need more spankings.
When I was growing up my parents spanked me and my brother. Both of us turned out fine as well as many others who have been spanked during their childhood. I do believe that spanking should be the last resort and should not be done in anger but with a steady mindset. This is the difference between spanking and beating.
It is a parent's job to teach a child how to be social and react in a socially acceptable way. Hitting each other is not a socially acceptable way to teach or to problem solve or to get out frustrations. Your spanked child is more likely to spank my un-aggressive, non-spanked child. My child in response won't hit back because she knows if she does she will be punished as well as your child. She will go and talk to the teacher. When families are linked in this way, the way kids are discipline
Tinaw1969..... Time-outs work beautifully. Hitting children as a form of discipline never works the way discipline should work. For one, why would a parent want to teach their child that if someone smaller than them does something they don't like that they have permission to hit that smaller person? This is what is being taught. You model the behavior that your child acts out preferably away from you where he/she knows you can't get at him/her. Corporal punishment causing more aggression i
@Blulumin I am living proof that you are Wrong!! I was spanked. I knew I did wrong when I was spanked. Things that I have been told I am not allowed to do. I did not do things or act out when I was away from my parents. I am a wonderful person, wife, and mother. Time outs?? ooohhhh...the child sits in the corner then will do it again because whats t he worse that will happen?? Damn...I have to sit in the corner again! Please!!
spanking, as in the whole 'pull down the panties and smack their butts red' is nothing more than a fetish from the adults. There are hundreds of thousands of families that raise well mannered, successful people without it, so the fact that some choose to do that when you they don't need to is nothing more than a kink. And the fact that they would choose to have their child crying and sobbing while repeatedly smacking?...that's a kink as well as pretty sick in the head.
People are getting so rediculous these days!! There is nothing wrong with giving your child a swat on the buttocks to show them you're serious. Sitting or standing in the corner does nothing!!
@tinaw1969 Hmm... who do I trust: scientists who actually conducted the appropriate studies, or dipsht commenter on youtube talking out of his ass? Hmmmm...
@rnalithe00 Oh wow...yeah those scientists...they always know what the're talking about. The would never be wrong and they put in all variables when they do their tests. They are just so smart. I don't think so. Well ....smarter then you ...dipshit!
@tinaw1969 You owe your entire lifestyle to the fruits of science. I called you a dipshit because you have no respect for that fact and because people like you don't respect that, it holds society back as a whole. What's your reason for ME a dipshit?
@rnalithe00 Don't believe everything that is stated by these scientists...that is what makes you a dipshit. Do you believe everything that is told to you? I believe they are wrong when it comes to spanking. Spanking is good. As long as it is not made into beatings. That is wrong. I don't believe everything I hear. What kind of society would we have if we just believed everything we are told. People...even scientist....are not always right!
@tinaw1969 Did you read the study? No, so on what grounds do you have to reject their discoveries other than your own conservative prejudice? I get my science from scientists; you get it from biased news reporters. You're the idiot here, not me, and thats not up for discussion.
@rnalithe00 LOL..yeah..ok! What ever you say. You are the idiot along with this idiot that has a grudge against Fox!! He only shows what he wants you to see and people like you buy into it! This is the reason you are an idiot, not me. And that is what is NOT up for discussion! I'm done with you!
@tinaw1969 All you seem to be able to do is take whatever I say and respond with "no U ARE!" You are acting no different than a child, and you want me to believe spanking works? Say what you want about me, but it'll only be self defeating, because guess what: I was smacked as a child too.
Get a life people. If people wouldn't have fallen away from God they would know the answer to correcting a child. I got my tail whipped many times. I've never been in jail. I thank my parents for correcting me. Look at your world today, I think a few people could of used a "spanking". Also remember there's a big different in correcting children vs. those who beat and abuse children. Abuse should never happen.
Both permissive and authoritarian parenting styles have flaws. The key is to have an authoritative style. Acknowledge when one's child does good, punish them when they do bad (in a proportional, rational way, as one would with an adult), or wear a condom.
Wow. This is some dumb shit. Spank that fucking kid if he's acting like an asshole and he won't grow up thinking he can do whatever the hell he feels like.
Much of the support for spanking is based on the Biblical enjoinder saying "spare the rod and spoil the child". One minister wrote a book called "To Train Up a Child" based on Bronze Age Biblical morality which a couple from Washington followed to the letter and their 13 year old daughter died as a result. So you're right, they wont grow up thinking they can do whatever they feel like. They wont grow up at all.
@WorldTurnBlack Typical Conservative troll! I wonder what research you can cite to back up your claims about the effects of physical punishment upon children? Or is this your gut feeling, or what "the bah-buhl" says you should think?
life and all its ups and downs. I have to agree that my fathers degrading physical punishments caused me to grow up to be insecure and lash out at anyone who ever tried to discipline me. Which led to quite a lot of trouble in school. While I am older now and after being in therapy for the past few years I have improved. I still think that my life would be completely different if my father did not treat me the way he did.
While I was never actually spanked as a child my father did flick me in the forehead whenever I did somthing wrong. Like poor table manners, cursing, staying in my room. While some good did come of it (my table manners are imaculate lol) I have to say a lot worse came of it than anything else. Growing up I feared my father, so I spent most of my time in my room alone. As a child I was never very social because I was so insecure (still am somtimes). I don't feel like posting my entire
i was never spanked one time..and i was a good kid growing up thats why i believe a lot of these studies because im a calm person who isnt really aggressive..and i was never spanked and "put in my place" which it seems fox news thinks is good
The truth is, both tradition and science filter bad ideas imperfectly. Both can be wrong, especially about complex issues. Proponents of both tend to be blind to this.
For example, the study did NOT control for genetic inheritance. Aggression is heritable, meaning aggressive parents will have aggressive kids. If that's manifested after age 3, their controls are worthless.
"All the scientific evidence" isn't that great on this particular issue.
To answer your question, I think it's because they don't trust scientists. They trust tradition. To most democrats that just sounds stupid. But keep in mind points where tradition has been right and social science wrong:
- men and women's sexuality is different
- boys and girls raised the same will still be different
- communial childrearing sucks (see Israeli Kibbutz)
- attending to a baby's cry doesn't make it cry more (contra behaviorism)
The answer to the first question is easy: social conservatives don't give a crap about scientific evidence when it contradicts their ideologies to which they so fervently cling.
I think spanking is okay. I got spanked and i turned out more than fine. and as a little kid. It's a more effective punishment then telling a 6 year old " i'm disappointed in you, or i taught you better " because they don't understand. they respond more to physical actions like a smile or a hug so they know they did good or an angry face and a spank so they know they did bad. as they get older and understand and gain purpose for themselves is when you should use vocal punishment
@AmeliaPheonix So, you're basically saying your kids have the mentality of lab rats. You need'a SHOCK 'EM to get 'em to learn! Well, your child might recall that spank with much, much greater clarity than he'll remember any of your hugs or kisses. And possibly remember it clearly without recalling the cause. I can remember and list the 23 times my mother spanked me, but I don't remember A SINGLE HUG OR KISS, not ONE, though I know she was affectionate. Know what? Breaks my heart.
I will say, that I managed to learn right from wrong without it, and if i ever have kids I don't plan on using it. Anybody who has actually studied any psychology whatsoever knows that it is ultimately not an effective punishment and it has been condemmned by associations of child psychologists and social workers throughout the world.
If you smacked an adult on the ass, it's rape, but it's discipline if it's done to a defenseless child? Really stupid. Rape and assault are illegal, so spanking should be.
@rnalithe00 youre so full of shit. The moon is lighter during the solar cycle of Venus. I can make up unsubstantiated bullshit to discredit as well. The fact is kids are getting worse and dumber. I remember getting my ass whipped up by my mom. I also remember all the assistance and love over the years. I also appreciate now the no bullshit approach my parents took with me. Kids run wild. People like you make sure they are allowed to!
@goddimmus So did your mom whip your ass for swearing too? If spanking works, why does your comment contain 4 instances of cussing?
Look up "Correlation between high rates of corporal punishment in public schools and social pathologies", and then you'll know which one of us is truly full of shit. States that espouse spanking the most have the highest crime rates, highest teen pregnancy rates, highest school dropout rates, etc.
@rnalithe00 Hey. Look up "My dick in your mouth". I dont even bother arguing with your ilk. Believe whatever the fuck you want. By the way. Swearing is something I like to do because I like to do it. Not because my mom abused me and all that shit. I made a conscious decision to do so and will continue to do so of my own volition. See what I did there? TOOK RESPONSIBILITY. Something an entire generation doesnt know a goddamned thing about. Have a good fuck off!
@goddimmus No see that's the thing: I DON'T just believe whatever I want. Unlike the dumbass conservatives of the world, my beliefs are the product of EVIDENCE and LOGIC. Thats why when I look at Mississippi, the state with the highest corporal punishment rates, as well as the 3rd highest murder rate and 3rd highest teen pregnancy rate, I can conclude spanking is useless. Your beliefs are based on fantasies of having your dick in another man's mouth apparently, so you can get fucked.
@goddimmus By the way, you don't bother arguing with my "ilk"? You mean people people who use facts and reason in their arguments? Good decision. You could have saved yourself a ton of embarrassment if you only stuck to that policy.
At my Discipline Clinic in LA I spank naughty adult ladies and find it to be very effective at correcting bad behaviour and controlling bad habits. Let's face it, by the time someone is 21 it takes some serious discipline to lessen naughty behaviour.
i wonder if this looks how aggressive parents are when they spank the children. Because i believe you would have to look at more than just if the child is spanked or not but also the manner in which a parent does it.
Here is a simple question, why is it that if an adult pisses me off enough that I strike them it would be considered assault but if I spank my kind because they pissed me off that's considered 'good parenting' by some? If you argue that you can't reason with a kid then you're also saying that they apparently won't get why they're being spanked and only come away with 'it's fine to hit people if they make me mad'.
@Darkstar1484 I totally agree. I'm from the UK and corporal punishment in schools has been banned here since before I was even born! Can't believe it's still going on in the US!
The answer is that children are under the domain of their parents, while adults are free. If your brother punches someone you face no consequence. If your child does it, YOU can be sued. If you are responsible for children's behavior (and I imagine you agree) then you need to be given power over them.
As it is, parents get in trouble when their kids act out. But they're prevented from controlling their children with harsh discipline.
@TheAreyoucereal Good for you, but I'm sure there are also people who smoke semi-constantly and never get cancer, doesn't mean that we should encourage smoking or that smoking is a good thing.
@Darkstar1484 You are actually comparing punching someone in the face (or wherever) to spanking a child's buttocks? Really? Sometimes a child needs a swat on the butt to show them that you are serious. That time out crap doesn't work. Mother: "okay johnny..you didn't listen so you stand here in the corner" Wow..that will teach the kid! Don't think so.
@tinaw1969 Really? My parents never struck me and I'm not some wild man running around causing havoc and destruction to others.As I said, if you're going to say that a kid can;t be reasoned with then you're also saying that they apparently won't understand why they're being hit, other than maybe that they made their parents angry/annoyed. I just wonder why so many people are so eager to beat up their kids, maybe because someone their own size would fight back?
@Darkstar1484 Well, I don't know how old you are ...but I was spanked as a child and I am not running around causing havoc and destruction to others either. And how many times do you tell a child not to do something without any consequence for doing it?? Believe me...they understand a swat! Do you have children? You have to have them to understand!
@tinaw1969 Except consequences can be grounding, taking something away, time outs, whatever. And sure, beating a kid scares them but it's more likely you're just taking your anger out on someone that's too small and weak to fight back. Also, saying that I need to have kids to understand sounds to me like someone saying that you need to have a pet to understand why it's ok for them to harm said pet. Corporal punishment is frankly a sign of a parent that can't be bothered to do the right thing.
@Darkstar1484 Oh please! And by the way...I am not talking about "beating" a child. I'm talking about a swat on the butt! I have 2 kids, and when the swat came they knew I was serious and it stopped. My kids are older now and the taking away of things is what I use now. And you are right...you don't have to have kids to know that BEATing them is wrong and bad. I do not approve of beating a child. You do need to have kids to understand that talking doesn't always work when they are young.
@tinaw1969 Seemed to work fine for my folks. Plenty of others too. And I guess I'd ask this, where do we draw the line between a 'swat' and a 'beating'? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm trying to see where the line is drawn. A parent hitting in anger might hit a lot harder than they intend, and waiting long enough to cool down kind of takes away the immediacy you seem to want with a spanking.
@Darkstar1484 The way I see it is......The first smack is for the child...any smacks after that is for the anger of the parent. I always kept it to one swat on the backside. And it wasn't always necessary. Usually telling them not to do something was enough with the threat of punishment.
And I can tell you that time outs are rediculous. Oh wow...the child has to stand in the corner. Then what??They go back to doing the same thing and then what...put them back in the corner?
@tinaw1969 They don't always go back to what they did, in fact most of my extended family on my dads side avoid corporal punishment and we're fairly well behaved time outs work. I highly doubt that my family on my dads side is more moral than others inherently. And if the one smack is hard enough to bruise? Enough to injure? It just seems like the corporal punishment model is based off of fear more than anything else, and most authoritarian types seem to like corproal punishment.
An occasional spanking never hurt any kid.They should know that for their' actions that there's a reaction when they do wrong. I was spanked growing up, had a successful 20yr. military career and was taught self discipline. I'm 63, retired, and have no hang-ups. I know now that when my parents spanked, they had good reason.
Spankings are not abuse. any aprent who does not use spankings as a punishment will raise whiney undisciplined social pathic childern who have no respect for others. I cant stand these whiney wuss libs who think you can reason with a 3-5 year old. Their kids are what is wrong with this nation and its feminization and wussification. I equate the accurcy and dependability of these studies with hose of the global warming studies that were PROVED to be manufactured by people with an agenda.
When it comes to spanking,the parents should develop their own reasonable age limitation. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". However, use self control and communication with the punishment. It should NOT be a method of enjoyment, but as a last resort or saved for worse offenses.I personally believe that the extent/# of hits and clothes still on should depend on the area it takes place and the severity of the offense. My little brother got bare butt spanked more because he showed more resistance.
...sometimes kids need to get spanked. Not abused, not beat, not tortured, just spanked. I was spanked as a child, I'm fine. I know people who weren't spanked as children...a lot of them are adult brats. I think reasoning or sticking kids in a corner only really works with extroverted kids. These are my opinions. I honestly think the question of spanking should be left to individual parents as opposed to broadly maligned in either direction.
I love how a majority of people got spanked until the last hundred years or so, and all of a sudden it's harmful and creates violent children. There have always been "good people" and "bad people." I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with spanking. Sometimes you cannot reason with a child. You have to show them.
Because Chistain "conservatives" (as opposed to real conservatives) don't value science. Given that a great deal of them are creationists, what else do you expect? OTOH, I was spanked and I am an extremely passive and non-violent person.
Well this is a historic occasion. The first time I have EVER agreed with Fox on ANYTHING!!! Spanking worked fine for years. Obviously it must be used carefully. If taken too far it becomes abuse. Not far enough just doesn't work. It's also important to talk to your kids, not just hit them. When used properly, spanking is a perfectly acceptable and highly effective means of disciplining kids.
@rhunter42dragon No, it is NOT a 'perfectly acceptable' means of disciplining. You're HITTING SOMEONE. You're using deliberately inflicted bodily pain to communicate. That is not only an act of violence, it is a degradation and a violation of another person's body, regardless of age. If your child develops a chronic painful disease don't think he won't remember how he was once pain-free and you gave him something to feel. Pain is for malfunction and disease, not for parental exploitation.
@SpinBoyZach Let me see if I have this straight. You're suggesting that spanking a child may cause them to develop "a chronic painful disease"?!? Might I ask where you dreamed up this nonsense?
@rhunter42dragon You don't have it straight. I did not suggest a link between hitting a child and future chronic painful disease. Merely that times where intentional pain was given by a parent can be resented during the event of suffering pain from a future disease process. Spanking a child exploits another human being's physical pain system. What right have you to cause another that pain? If pain = punishment, then, when I get arthritis pain, why am I being 'punished' for no crime?
@rhunter42dragon Hey. I WILL add that spanking a child may most DEFINITELY cause them to develop a sexual fetish for the act! Just do a search on spanking and see how many 'erotic spanking' sites come up. Talk to the many people afflicted. I'll bet you think it's a taste that's acquired only in adulthood. Guess again. Real spanking fetishists start masturbating to the mental vision of spanking at age six and seven and the obsession with it stays with them forever. It can happen to anyone.
I was spanked as a child and I must say it did work. I believe that before a child can conceive wrongdoing that spanking is a way to demonstrate bad behavior. It is also the parents job to explain why you would do such things. If you just beat ur kid with no reason given it gives the impression it is ok. My father practiced this and I respected him "did not fear" because I understood y it was being done.
Well not all spanking works but that depends on how you do it. If you spank your children in a manner consistent with sound Pavlovian science then spanking can be a very efficient tool: watch?v=OtFpT5-dCCc
Hitler was a psycho and whether or not he was 'spanked' as a child has no bearing on history, but thanks for insinuating that to spank your is to risk creating a monster. Corporal punishment and child abuse are two different things and don't forget it.
The 'scientific studies' are intended for only one outcome and that is a crock of bull. Bottom line is that each parent is unique in his or her approach to discipline and children are also unique in their response to discipline. I don't believe personally that every child should be reproved by use of spankings, nor do I believe that every parent should use the method. It is the choice of the parents to incorporate the tool as required. I would never advocate the government to remove that option
Sure it's their choice, but why would you choose to perform an act that the balance of evidence suggests will cause long-term harm to your child? Seems like a selfish choice to me.
I was spanked as a child when I did bad things, I turned out fine. Most people that I've known who were not spanked as children are pansies who can't stand up for themselves, probably as a result of it. Take your studies and stick it where the sun don't shine.
and how many kids were "studied" for this "scientific" study? I dont believe in scientific studies because they are one sided studies. Until the people who did this study studies more than a few kids, then we will talk about how my reasoning is invalidating science.
It's obvious why they come out in favour of spanking; they're authoritarians. Do as I say or I'll fucking hit you it their idea of appropriate parenting. It comes out in everything they 'report'. It's why they hate groups like the ACLU. The ACLU tries to help people assert their rights and the FOX people hate empowered people because they can't bully them as easily.
Leave spanking to consenting adults where it should be. ;)
I used to get spanked all the time. Don't know whether it was good or bad. I don't have kids yet, at 27, but when I do, I don't think I'll use this as punishment.
spanking doesnt cause violent traits in a child. not being parents and not using standards causes violence. I got spanked and glad I did. I have never been more violent than the next guy. I was raised with standards and I live by those standards.
@yoshi5522 You're right that not setting standards is also a problem, but no standards is not the only alternative to spanking. Also, are you denying the scientific evidence that shows that spanking does, on average, create more violence? This doesn't mean that all spanked kids are more violent than nonspanked kids, there are other factors contributing to this, too, and the authors of the study are aware of this. It means that spanking is one contributing factor to a kid's overall violence.
This is demonstrably incorrect. You can assert it until the cows come home, but we know what effects spanking has on children. You're falling into the "I am the World" trap. Just because you were spanked and happened to turn out okay does not invalidate the scientific evidence.
LiberalViewer,you talk about FoxNews being biased.You are doing exactly what you intend to "out".I'm sure your argument is that Fox has an obligation to provide fair&balanced coverage because people trust them.I watch FoxNews & there are plenty of liberals on to debate their side.However, your videos lack that, your videos are biased, your videos are defamatory & absent of unbiased truth.Your name says it all,you see through the world through a liberal lens.A lens that is perpetually fogged.
@JoeTheRock7 hey dumbass, watch a documentary call "Outfoxed" its about Fox News with ppl who used to work at Fox. They have liberals on but dont u notice they get very intelligent big name right wingers and very unintelligent no name liberals. Its all a strategy to throw spin and cast doubt on the other side
@wehs09 Can we at least both agree that there is a distinction between different segments on FOX NEWS? The hard news hours lay out stories like a regular broadcast would and then the opinion shows,do just that, they give their opinion. O'Reilly, Hannity and Susteren are not the people you should have a problem with, because they are not hard news shows. And honestly dude if u r a liberal I hope you realize that MSNBC and CNN got uninteligent people to represent the Tea Party as a whole.
In favor of spanking: Some parents (who were themselves spanked) have read and believe their kids development will be stunted if spanked. Therefore, they dont spank, but instead of disciplining in other ways, decide to 'avoid the issue of discipline'. I think that spanking less harmful to a child than no discipline. However, any other disciplinary measures (once used correctly) are more effective than spanking. So I'm in favor of spanking for parents who do not know how to parent any other way.
@allypopsthecorn except who could honestly claim to not know any other way in this day and age? If you don't know what to do and can't be bothered to read a few books or articles on parenting you probably shouldn't be a parent.
@CareerKnight By the sounds of these responses, it sounds like many people really don't have any other ideas. How can the alternative to spanking be eg grounding? Grounding children is also stupid. Any delayed punishment doesn't work very well. In fact, punishment as a whole is not very effective. The best principle is to reinforce good behaviours as soon as they happen on a variable ratio schedule (at random intervals) instead of ignoring your kid until they go wrong in the first place.
Jobs, jobs, jobs! Where are the jobs? Oh, and by the way, where is the accounting for where the stimulus money went? Didn't Obama promise transparency? But you go right on talking about spanking. The adults (thank God) are voting in November.
spanking is perfectly fine... all these idiots overreact about it... kids need to be put in their place or your kids will be those loud annoying ones everyone wishes they could hit
@Gokuderakun i am an adult and have learned from my wrongs as a child from spankings... if i got a out of line and did something bad i was punished ... so i dont go around being a little hooligan... but yeah sure if i make an ass out of myself you can come to where i live and hit me.. guarantee you youll end up leaving with an ass beating.. i also wasnt raised to be a pussy
Spanking is bad? The problem with society is everyone has been coddled and spoiled and get away with everything. I will spank my kids when they do wrong so they learn that they don't do it and end up like all the stoners at my school. My parents spanked the hell out of me and it made me better. No wonder each passing generation gets weeker, more perverted, and our society is declining rapidly. Because we coddle the hell out of kids and don't teach them how to be responsible, respectful, adults.
@panzerkilla If you think society is undergoeing degradation, you should really go back to the 1900s with segregation, a lack of sexual equality and homophobia. Why do you fear less aggressive (weaker? no), more sexually open (perverted? no) and a more accepting society (declining? no.) This is the future. Wake up and accept it!
@XtremeGoose I guess we will find out how long a corrupt culture lasts. Obviously it looks pretty good right now. More sexually open is perverted.. When I see a viagra commercial on cartoon network at 4:00 pm I do believe that there is a problem with our society. This nation was built on moral standars, natural law. Now we have almost completely fallen from it.. But I suppose those guys were old thinkers and are not relevent anymore.
I love Fox news, and I have never spanked any of my children, although, I got my butt busted as a kid...it did not make me overly aggressive. I do believe though that there are times when it is necessary.
Though I'm not full on for setting your child on the lap and spanking the crap out of them, a little physical aggression is necessary to establish dominance with your children. When I was a child, I was only "beat" once, and that was a few raps on the butt with a wooden spoon. I never disrespected my parents again, and when they pulled out that spoon and told me to stop misbehaving, I sure as hell started behaving properly!
Fox is incredibly biased, but unfortunately so is this video.
I'm a liberal and although I'm not for spanking, per se, I am for light physical punishment, such as a pop in the mouth for talking back or a slap on the wrists for taking a cookie. Things like that. There are just some things that can't be done with grounding. That's what I believe at least.
The older I get and more experiences I look back on, the more I realize the help and answers I needed in life, in all areas, are found in the Bible. And that If I would have followed what it said all along, I would have a lot fewer regrets now on why I didn't do things differently. Follow what the creator says and you will do much better in life then by following what the creation suggest, in all things.
The narrator of this clip is a self indulgent putz who, obviously, should have been spanked more as a child. I'd be willing to bet that he'd have trouble finding a single conservative position broadcast on FNC with which he agrees....and that's just the way it is with our "tolerant" liberal friends.
@es347 Do you have something to say in response to the arguments he made or the scientific reports cited? Do any of you right wingers EVER have any substantial arguments in response to ours?
Maybe spanking wouldn't be so bad if it was a simple pop on the butt to get them to stop tantruming and listen... but there are too many people who have too many issues to leave it so simple. I'm not aggressive, but I'm very flinchy, probably thanks to being belt-beaten and spanked over anything. :\ (Was left in bad care while mom worked.)
I don't think spanking should be the first step, ever. Really, anything, slapping and yanking, included, like that...
I hate Fox News as much as the next guy- but this is bullshit! Robert Larzelere pointed out these studies as scientifically unsound and have pointed out methodological flaws in how they were conducted, as well as the conclusions drawn...
The first scientifically sound research to suggest corporal punishment has a negative effect on children came out 3 months ago. Janet C. Rice, PhD wrote a piece on it.
Also, it entirely depends on the society and intricate culture norms.
You used the phrase they hate.......SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!
Scientific evidence is what tells them the earth is over 10,000 years old, it tells them that animals evolved and were not created and it tell them their bible is a heap of crap, so anything that has that label has to be discredited, even if it has nothing to do with their christian beliefs.
@swiftmachine1515 Its funny that you mention that. Because in Albert Speer's (minister for armanents) book he talked about how Hitler described severe beatings from his father and he also called it the making of him. Put you off corporal punishment? Yes? No? Anyone?
Whether or not it 'works' to control behavior, or leads to aggression, spanking is still a DEGRADING VIOLATION OF ANOTHER PERSON'S BODY. You are using a form of TOUCH to punish. A touch that is painful is just as unwelcome, and is just as much of a bodily violation, as a touch that it sexual. Stop flaunting the excuse that this was the norm generations ago. Civilized man keeps advancing and becoming enlightened to the reality of his past mistakes. That's why we no longer own slaves.
@AmeliaPheonix Sorry you didn't pass your history class; maybe you can take it again, dear. But there actually WAS a major moral issue included in the abolishment of slavery as well.
I agree with chibicat13 in that I was spanked as a child, and believe I am 100% better off for it, given I had friends who were not disciplined like I was who got into considerable amounts more trouble and were definitely more violent.
I am one of the least violent people I know, I don't break the law, I have a respect for the rules and I respect my parent's decision to physically punish me because it worked and most of the time, they were right.
I was spanked as a kid, I would only be spanked if I did something wrong... after the spanking, I did not do the wrong deed again... I would be too afraid of being spanked again.
I turned out ok, I am not violent, I don't break the law, ect.
Why is it that today's generation of kids are so fragile, yet years ago where spanking was the norm, those kids still turned out fine?
Spanking does NOT lead to aggressive behavior!! My father believed in spanking only as a last resort but by the occasional spank, we---me, my brother and sister, turned out pretty well ie. no attitude problems, no drugs, no screwed-up lives in general. Spanking in excess might be debated but some corporal discipline needs to be enforced in situations which might otherwise lead to poor family structure and tyrannical and abusive children.
A rational argument, Sure and here it is....Thats right the bible says to spank the child and drive foolishness from them. You can believe a man or the creator of the universe. You choose. Its actually aimed at obstinate children. The best tool to show right and wrong is the parents example.
I believe you show a child right from wrong by explaining my what they did was wrong, and if you cant find a reason its wrong, then the rule is arbitrary, thus acceptable to break.
"Question everything, or shut up and be a victim of authority"- Green Day
if only life was as simple as you want it to be. We could all skip hand in hand down the merry path. Yes,that would be a nice place. JUST EXPLAIN URSELF, and all is well.and if Johnny wants to smoke pot at 12 years old,then let him . After all ,we don't want to impose our values on little Johnny do we. A good spanking might offend little Johnny. And when he tells u to "take a shit for urself',dont get angry . He's only questioning authority. Thank God for Greenday.
@nick451 Well, you seem to be mistaking the notion that anti-spanking is anti-discipline, it's not. There are alternative means to discipline a child that does not require physical abuse such as positive reinforcement which has shown to be extremely effective in modifying behavior. As for not trusting research what would you trust? Sociological and psychological research provides a scientific method to understand the human experience.
trust your mother ,she actually gives a dam about you. 99% of the time . The govt.,and researchers, don't really give a dam about anything but money they can filch,for their own personal wants. It's always funny when a man tells you he has the better way.
Research is a springboard ,a thinking place. Not an absolution on what's right and wrong. Those who follow research blindly ,usually get what they deserve. A swift kick in the teeth. "and the mighty big bang theory"
@nick451 Yes, well you're assuming people are the same, tell that to mothers and fathers that abuse their children out of love or kill their children out of love. A mom may believe that spanking is the appropriate method of rearing a child without knowing the harm that it does. Research provides evidentiary support allowing parents to understand the harm of spanking and alternative methods to discipline a child without physically harming the child with greater results.
Yes 99% of mothers are rotten bastards,how could i not know that. And murdering children too!!
Researchers,have no reason to lie.They just want to help. AND THEY ARE,never wrong.Wonderful people.I got it now.Sorry, for the generations of "harmed" children that surely must be the dregs of society today. They built this nation,but let's not let facts get in the way of good liberal research. Just enjoy the view of your daughter's ass as she walks down the street. That's reality.
@nick451 Wow, I don't know where you got 99% of mothers being rotten bastards but what I was discussing earlier were parents do not fall under your assumption of following a set of codes but merely stating they do not understand the effects of passing down previous forms of punishments and not truly/fully understanding their effects. Spanking is done out of learned behavior not because it's effective.
I got it,"they do not understand".It seems to be the progressive mantra.I hear it enough from Obama "they just do not understand,health care,and don't exhale all that carbon dioxide"Over ,and over ,like a broken record.Mommy is to stupid to know what works in her own home,and how to handle her own children.She needs"big brother" to teach her.Hey big brother ,as soon as you arrive, break up the family.That is just what's happening. It's just "learned behavior".
When it comes down to it parents are going to discipline they way they see fit. It is my belief that parents need to focus on their children and give them the time and individual attention they deserve rather than focusing on what they've heard works for everyone else. After all, us as parents are the ones who get frustrated and act out, not our children, so if they learn that from us, wouldn't we be the reason for their aggressive behavior?
JASA593 3 weeks ago
I dont agree with spanking children but I believe its the level of the spankings/beatings that can cause harm towards the child in any way.
Crystallee112 3 weeks ago
Spanking kids is in no way overrated or outdated. Too many kids today are given the freedom to do whatever they want, and get anyTHING they want. Of course you don't go overboard with it but you can spank your kid without being aggressive. I was spanked as a child and I'm the opposite of aggressive; I've never even been in a fight. Scientists really piss me off somtimes
GordoDustin 3 weeks ago
@SmexiPicklesTV yes most people who get spanked turn out ok, but they are more likely to be screwed up adults.
gorillas400 1 month ago
Spanking is not a freaking sin people. I got spankings as a kid and I'm completely not aggressive at all! And people need to relies that not too long ago they did in schools! GET OVER IT!
SmexiPicklesTV 1 month ago
Oh yeah and I'm probably one of the few conservatives who can say that I'm completely against corporal punishment. We need a law to make this abusive behavior illegal!!
LinweDorthonion1 1 month ago
I have always and will always be completely against spanking or ANY form of corporal punishment. Many families have brought up GREAT kids without ever hitting them. Because that's what spanking is. HITTING. If you slap someone in the face they are going to say you hit them. It doesn't matter where you do it. Its hitting. It hurts. It's wrong. Children aren't animals. And you shouldn't even hit animals either. If you KNOW there's a way to bring up your kids the right way without hitting them and
LinweDorthonion1 1 month ago
Unfortunately, conservatives see science as many atheistic liberals view the Bible.
AMNESTYMANIAC 2 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
I live in Asia and EVERYONE "spanks" their kids (not like, violently with a paddle. More like a rough pat on the butt). So far, I haven't seen anyone getting fucked up by that. In reality, most people here are so timid, they cry at every flipping thing that happens to them.
foojuice101 2 months ago
@foojuice101 Yes, but you forget that people being people who are usually stupid and irrational will take things to extreme.
They will not only spank you with an open palm, but will use various instruments like canes, paddles, wires, belts, whips and chains that will constitute torture and war crimes under international courts.
They do it because it's NOT about punishment or correction, but sadism, power and taking out your anger on somebody less able to defend themselves.
technatezin 2 weeks ago in playlist Liberalism
I'm seriously starting to think conservatives are allergic to science (and perhaps honesty and intelligence in general).
rnalithe00 2 months ago
Get real people. I was spanked often. I turned out well and have never been arrested. I respect authority. I do not agree with beating but spanking. This is what's wrong with society now days as kids do not respect their elders. Our children in our society need more spankings.
nicnlac 2 months ago
@nicnlac Apparently the spanking never improved your ability to LISTEN.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
When I was growing up my parents spanked me and my brother. Both of us turned out fine as well as many others who have been spanked during their childhood. I do believe that spanking should be the last resort and should not be done in anger but with a steady mindset. This is the difference between spanking and beating.
cd64803 2 months ago
It is a parent's job to teach a child how to be social and react in a socially acceptable way. Hitting each other is not a socially acceptable way to teach or to problem solve or to get out frustrations. Your spanked child is more likely to spank my un-aggressive, non-spanked child. My child in response won't hit back because she knows if she does she will be punished as well as your child. She will go and talk to the teacher. When families are linked in this way, the way kids are discipline
Blulumin 3 months ago
Tinaw1969..... Time-outs work beautifully. Hitting children as a form of discipline never works the way discipline should work. For one, why would a parent want to teach their child that if someone smaller than them does something they don't like that they have permission to hit that smaller person? This is what is being taught. You model the behavior that your child acts out preferably away from you where he/she knows you can't get at him/her. Corporal punishment causing more aggression i
Blulumin 3 months ago
@Blulumin I am living proof that you are Wrong!! I was spanked. I knew I did wrong when I was spanked. Things that I have been told I am not allowed to do. I did not do things or act out when I was away from my parents. I am a wonderful person, wife, and mother. Time outs?? ooohhhh...the child sits in the corner then will do it again because whats t he worse that will happen?? Damn...I have to sit in the corner again! Please!!
tinaw1969 2 months ago
spanking, as in the whole 'pull down the panties and smack their butts red' is nothing more than a fetish from the adults. There are hundreds of thousands of families that raise well mannered, successful people without it, so the fact that some choose to do that when you they don't need to is nothing more than a kink. And the fact that they would choose to have their child crying and sobbing while repeatedly smacking?...that's a kink as well as pretty sick in the head.
LunarX100 3 months ago
People are getting so rediculous these days!! There is nothing wrong with giving your child a swat on the buttocks to show them you're serious. Sitting or standing in the corner does nothing!!
tinaw1969 3 months ago
@tinaw1969 Hmm... who do I trust: scientists who actually conducted the appropriate studies, or dipsht commenter on youtube talking out of his ass? Hmmmm...
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 Oh wow...yeah those scientists...they always know what the're talking about. The would never be wrong and they put in all variables when they do their tests. They are just so smart. I don't think so. Well ....smarter then you ...dipshit!
tinaw1969 2 months ago
@tinaw1969 You owe your entire lifestyle to the fruits of science. I called you a dipshit because you have no respect for that fact and because people like you don't respect that, it holds society back as a whole. What's your reason for ME a dipshit?
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 Don't believe everything that is stated by these scientists...that is what makes you a dipshit. Do you believe everything that is told to you? I believe they are wrong when it comes to spanking. Spanking is good. As long as it is not made into beatings. That is wrong. I don't believe everything I hear. What kind of society would we have if we just believed everything we are told. People...even scientist....are not always right!
tinaw1969 2 months ago
@tinaw1969 Did you read the study? No, so on what grounds do you have to reject their discoveries other than your own conservative prejudice? I get my science from scientists; you get it from biased news reporters. You're the idiot here, not me, and thats not up for discussion.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 LOL..yeah..ok! What ever you say. You are the idiot along with this idiot that has a grudge against Fox!! He only shows what he wants you to see and people like you buy into it! This is the reason you are an idiot, not me. And that is what is NOT up for discussion! I'm done with you!
tinaw1969 2 months ago
@tinaw1969 All you seem to be able to do is take whatever I say and respond with "no U ARE!" You are acting no different than a child, and you want me to believe spanking works? Say what you want about me, but it'll only be self defeating, because guess what: I was smacked as a child too.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
James Dobson has got to be some sort of secret S&M Freak, I'm guessing he's a big ol' submissive bottom who enjoys a good thrashing.
Jwend392 4 months ago
Get a life people. If people wouldn't have fallen away from God they would know the answer to correcting a child. I got my tail whipped many times. I've never been in jail. I thank my parents for correcting me. Look at your world today, I think a few people could of used a "spanking". Also remember there's a big different in correcting children vs. those who beat and abuse children. Abuse should never happen.
Tide12NC 4 months ago
@WorldTurnBlack
Both permissive and authoritarian parenting styles have flaws. The key is to have an authoritative style. Acknowledge when one's child does good, punish them when they do bad (in a proportional, rational way, as one would with an adult), or wear a condom.
gamerunknown 4 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
Wow. This is some dumb shit. Spank that fucking kid if he's acting like an asshole and he won't grow up thinking he can do whatever the hell he feels like.
peteellenson 5 months ago
@peteellenson
Much of the support for spanking is based on the Biblical enjoinder saying "spare the rod and spoil the child". One minister wrote a book called "To Train Up a Child" based on Bronze Age Biblical morality which a couple from Washington followed to the letter and their 13 year old daughter died as a result. So you're right, they wont grow up thinking they can do whatever they feel like. They wont grow up at all.
gamerunknown 4 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
@WorldTurnBlack Typical Conservative troll! I wonder what research you can cite to back up your claims about the effects of physical punishment upon children? Or is this your gut feeling, or what "the bah-buhl" says you should think?
1337isdead 5 months ago
Damn you and your misleading titles... ;)
1337isdead 5 months ago
life and all its ups and downs. I have to agree that my fathers degrading physical punishments caused me to grow up to be insecure and lash out at anyone who ever tried to discipline me. Which led to quite a lot of trouble in school. While I am older now and after being in therapy for the past few years I have improved. I still think that my life would be completely different if my father did not treat me the way he did.
XxSequndaEtapaXx 5 months ago
While I was never actually spanked as a child my father did flick me in the forehead whenever I did somthing wrong. Like poor table manners, cursing, staying in my room. While some good did come of it (my table manners are imaculate lol) I have to say a lot worse came of it than anything else. Growing up I feared my father, so I spent most of my time in my room alone. As a child I was never very social because I was so insecure (still am somtimes). I don't feel like posting my entire
XxSequndaEtapaXx 5 months ago
i was never spanked one time..and i was a good kid growing up thats why i believe a lot of these studies because im a calm person who isnt really aggressive..and i was never spanked and "put in my place" which it seems fox news thinks is good
xBecka88x 6 months ago
WWJD? Jesus would abuse his children XD
Motherandpokemonw00t 7 months ago
(part 2)
The truth is, both tradition and science filter bad ideas imperfectly. Both can be wrong, especially about complex issues. Proponents of both tend to be blind to this.
For example, the study did NOT control for genetic inheritance. Aggression is heritable, meaning aggressive parents will have aggressive kids. If that's manifested after age 3, their controls are worthless.
"All the scientific evidence" isn't that great on this particular issue.
darwinkilledgod 7 months ago
To answer your question, I think it's because they don't trust scientists. They trust tradition. To most democrats that just sounds stupid. But keep in mind points where tradition has been right and social science wrong:
- men and women's sexuality is different
- boys and girls raised the same will still be different
- communial childrearing sucks (see Israeli Kibbutz)
- attending to a baby's cry doesn't make it cry more (contra behaviorism)
... and so on.
darwinkilledgod 7 months ago
conservatives just hate science and facts.
InWeedWeTrust420 7 months ago
The answer to the first question is easy: social conservatives don't give a crap about scientific evidence when it contradicts their ideologies to which they so fervently cling.
GimmieUtoob 8 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
I think spanking is okay. I got spanked and i turned out more than fine. and as a little kid. It's a more effective punishment then telling a 6 year old " i'm disappointed in you, or i taught you better " because they don't understand. they respond more to physical actions like a smile or a hug so they know they did good or an angry face and a spank so they know they did bad. as they get older and understand and gain purpose for themselves is when you should use vocal punishment
AmeliaPheonix 8 months ago
@AmeliaPheonix So, you're basically saying your kids have the mentality of lab rats. You need'a SHOCK 'EM to get 'em to learn! Well, your child might recall that spank with much, much greater clarity than he'll remember any of your hugs or kisses. And possibly remember it clearly without recalling the cause. I can remember and list the 23 times my mother spanked me, but I don't remember A SINGLE HUG OR KISS, not ONE, though I know she was affectionate. Know what? Breaks my heart.
SpinBoyZach 7 months ago
fox news loves spanking, look up "Spanking on Fox 13" on here.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 8 months ago
I will kick the shit out of anyone who lays a hand on my kids.
LLOYD19851012 9 months ago
I will say, that I managed to learn right from wrong without it, and if i ever have kids I don't plan on using it. Anybody who has actually studied any psychology whatsoever knows that it is ultimately not an effective punishment and it has been condemmned by associations of child psychologists and social workers throughout the world.
pontaven12 9 months ago
And @richlsalas my parents never spanked me, and I turned out fine. And about this femininazation thing, is there anything wrong with females?
AltPunkMetal 10 months ago
If you smacked an adult on the ass, it's rape, but it's discipline if it's done to a defenseless child? Really stupid. Rape and assault are illegal, so spanking should be.
AltPunkMetal 10 months ago
Spanking is out dated like liver and fallout shelters
gleekflaglue6345789 10 months ago 5
@gleekflaglue6345789 People spank less and less yet there are more and more problems with children. Connection? I think so.
goddimmus 3 months ago
@goddimmus Crime rates are lower in parts of the world where spanking is not accepted, so your claim is false.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 youre so full of shit. The moon is lighter during the solar cycle of Venus. I can make up unsubstantiated bullshit to discredit as well. The fact is kids are getting worse and dumber. I remember getting my ass whipped up by my mom. I also remember all the assistance and love over the years. I also appreciate now the no bullshit approach my parents took with me. Kids run wild. People like you make sure they are allowed to!
goddimmus 2 months ago
@goddimmus So did your mom whip your ass for swearing too? If spanking works, why does your comment contain 4 instances of cussing?
Look up "Correlation between high rates of corporal punishment in public schools and social pathologies", and then you'll know which one of us is truly full of shit. States that espouse spanking the most have the highest crime rates, highest teen pregnancy rates, highest school dropout rates, etc.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 Hey. Look up "My dick in your mouth". I dont even bother arguing with your ilk. Believe whatever the fuck you want. By the way. Swearing is something I like to do because I like to do it. Not because my mom abused me and all that shit. I made a conscious decision to do so and will continue to do so of my own volition. See what I did there? TOOK RESPONSIBILITY. Something an entire generation doesnt know a goddamned thing about. Have a good fuck off!
goddimmus 2 months ago
@goddimmus No see that's the thing: I DON'T just believe whatever I want. Unlike the dumbass conservatives of the world, my beliefs are the product of EVIDENCE and LOGIC. Thats why when I look at Mississippi, the state with the highest corporal punishment rates, as well as the 3rd highest murder rate and 3rd highest teen pregnancy rate, I can conclude spanking is useless. Your beliefs are based on fantasies of having your dick in another man's mouth apparently, so you can get fucked.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@goddimmus By the way, you don't bother arguing with my "ilk"? You mean people people who use facts and reason in their arguments? Good decision. You could have saved yourself a ton of embarrassment if you only stuck to that policy.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
@rnalithe00 oooo boogah boogah youre trash I dont give a shit. Have a good life and thanks for further polluting the gene pool.
goddimmus 2 months ago
I do it but rarely. Very rarely and not too hard but very loving.
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rhinohippo 11 months ago
i wonder if this looks how aggressive parents are when they spank the children. Because i believe you would have to look at more than just if the child is spanked or not but also the manner in which a parent does it.
145446ss 11 months ago
Here is a simple question, why is it that if an adult pisses me off enough that I strike them it would be considered assault but if I spank my kind because they pissed me off that's considered 'good parenting' by some? If you argue that you can't reason with a kid then you're also saying that they apparently won't get why they're being spanked and only come away with 'it's fine to hit people if they make me mad'.
Darkstar1484 1 year ago 12
@Darkstar1484 I totally agree. I'm from the UK and corporal punishment in schools has been banned here since before I was even born! Can't believe it's still going on in the US!
thebutttunes 1 year ago
@Darkstar1484 Your question bothers me.
The answer is that children are under the domain of their parents, while adults are free. If your brother punches someone you face no consequence. If your child does it, YOU can be sued. If you are responsible for children's behavior (and I imagine you agree) then you need to be given power over them.
As it is, parents get in trouble when their kids act out. But they're prevented from controlling their children with harsh discipline.
darwinkilledgod 7 months ago
@Darkstar1484 omg i was spanked as a child and it didnt bother me
TheAreyoucereal 6 months ago in playlist Fox News Bias
@TheAreyoucereal Good for you, but I'm sure there are also people who smoke semi-constantly and never get cancer, doesn't mean that we should encourage smoking or that smoking is a good thing.
Darkstar1484 6 months ago
@Darkstar1484 You are actually comparing punching someone in the face (or wherever) to spanking a child's buttocks? Really? Sometimes a child needs a swat on the butt to show them that you are serious. That time out crap doesn't work. Mother: "okay johnny..you didn't listen so you stand here in the corner" Wow..that will teach the kid! Don't think so.
tinaw1969 3 months ago
@tinaw1969 Really? My parents never struck me and I'm not some wild man running around causing havoc and destruction to others.As I said, if you're going to say that a kid can;t be reasoned with then you're also saying that they apparently won't understand why they're being hit, other than maybe that they made their parents angry/annoyed. I just wonder why so many people are so eager to beat up their kids, maybe because someone their own size would fight back?
Darkstar1484 3 months ago
@Darkstar1484 Well, I don't know how old you are ...but I was spanked as a child and I am not running around causing havoc and destruction to others either. And how many times do you tell a child not to do something without any consequence for doing it?? Believe me...they understand a swat! Do you have children? You have to have them to understand!
tinaw1969 3 months ago
@tinaw1969 Except consequences can be grounding, taking something away, time outs, whatever. And sure, beating a kid scares them but it's more likely you're just taking your anger out on someone that's too small and weak to fight back. Also, saying that I need to have kids to understand sounds to me like someone saying that you need to have a pet to understand why it's ok for them to harm said pet. Corporal punishment is frankly a sign of a parent that can't be bothered to do the right thing.
Darkstar1484 3 months ago
@Darkstar1484 Oh please! And by the way...I am not talking about "beating" a child. I'm talking about a swat on the butt! I have 2 kids, and when the swat came they knew I was serious and it stopped. My kids are older now and the taking away of things is what I use now. And you are right...you don't have to have kids to know that BEATing them is wrong and bad. I do not approve of beating a child. You do need to have kids to understand that talking doesn't always work when they are young.
tinaw1969 3 months ago
@tinaw1969 Seemed to work fine for my folks. Plenty of others too. And I guess I'd ask this, where do we draw the line between a 'swat' and a 'beating'? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm trying to see where the line is drawn. A parent hitting in anger might hit a lot harder than they intend, and waiting long enough to cool down kind of takes away the immediacy you seem to want with a spanking.
Darkstar1484 3 months ago
@Darkstar1484 The way I see it is......The first smack is for the child...any smacks after that is for the anger of the parent. I always kept it to one swat on the backside. And it wasn't always necessary. Usually telling them not to do something was enough with the threat of punishment.
And I can tell you that time outs are rediculous. Oh wow...the child has to stand in the corner. Then what??They go back to doing the same thing and then what...put them back in the corner?
tinaw1969 3 months ago
@tinaw1969 They don't always go back to what they did, in fact most of my extended family on my dads side avoid corporal punishment and we're fairly well behaved time outs work. I highly doubt that my family on my dads side is more moral than others inherently. And if the one smack is hard enough to bruise? Enough to injure? It just seems like the corporal punishment model is based off of fear more than anything else, and most authoritarian types seem to like corproal punishment.
Darkstar1484 3 months ago
@Darkstar1484 Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. You don't think it's right for a butt smack, and I do. So we will leave it there!
tinaw1969 3 months ago
For one thing, he agreed with both because he said spanking can cause violent futures OR the violence started before the spankings
kirby123ization 1 year ago
what the hell is wrong with spanking kid ?
kattaplay 1 year ago
An occasional spanking never hurt any kid.They should know that for their' actions that there's a reaction when they do wrong. I was spanked growing up, had a successful 20yr. military career and was taught self discipline. I'm 63, retired, and have no hang-ups. I know now that when my parents spanked, they had good reason.
Chuck41148 1 year ago
Some people have a little too much time on their hands.
tv035 1 year ago
Spankings are not abuse. any aprent who does not use spankings as a punishment will raise whiney undisciplined social pathic childern who have no respect for others. I cant stand these whiney wuss libs who think you can reason with a 3-5 year old. Their kids are what is wrong with this nation and its feminization and wussification. I equate the accurcy and dependability of these studies with hose of the global warming studies that were PROVED to be manufactured by people with an agenda.
richlsalas 1 year ago
@richlsalas You all wanted to know what the harm is in spanking? My answer: look how this moron turned out.
rnalithe00 2 months ago
When it comes to spanking,the parents should develop their own reasonable age limitation. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". However, use self control and communication with the punishment. It should NOT be a method of enjoyment, but as a last resort or saved for worse offenses.I personally believe that the extent/# of hits and clothes still on should depend on the area it takes place and the severity of the offense. My little brother got bare butt spanked more because he showed more resistance.
MONOPOLY35 1 year ago
Spanking is barbaric
cp1054 1 year ago
...sometimes kids need to get spanked. Not abused, not beat, not tortured, just spanked. I was spanked as a child, I'm fine. I know people who weren't spanked as children...a lot of them are adult brats. I think reasoning or sticking kids in a corner only really works with extroverted kids. These are my opinions. I honestly think the question of spanking should be left to individual parents as opposed to broadly maligned in either direction.
JNDarkness 1 year ago
Because it makes me feel stronger than the child ^. X Ouchy! Ouchy!
Debating4n00bs 1 year ago
I love how a majority of people got spanked until the last hundred years or so, and all of a sudden it's harmful and creates violent children. There have always been "good people" and "bad people." I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with spanking. Sometimes you cannot reason with a child. You have to show them.
PrimaDonna814 1 year ago
Because Chistain "conservatives" (as opposed to real conservatives) don't value science. Given that a great deal of them are creationists, what else do you expect? OTOH, I was spanked and I am an extremely passive and non-violent person.
christo930 1 year ago
the sad part is is that we shouldn't even need studies to prove that beating kids is wrong. It should be as simple as 1 + 1 = 2.
DevilWomanCake 1 year ago 2
Well this is a historic occasion. The first time I have EVER agreed with Fox on ANYTHING!!! Spanking worked fine for years. Obviously it must be used carefully. If taken too far it becomes abuse. Not far enough just doesn't work. It's also important to talk to your kids, not just hit them. When used properly, spanking is a perfectly acceptable and highly effective means of disciplining kids.
rhunter42dragon 1 year ago
@rhunter42dragon No, it is NOT a 'perfectly acceptable' means of disciplining. You're HITTING SOMEONE. You're using deliberately inflicted bodily pain to communicate. That is not only an act of violence, it is a degradation and a violation of another person's body, regardless of age. If your child develops a chronic painful disease don't think he won't remember how he was once pain-free and you gave him something to feel. Pain is for malfunction and disease, not for parental exploitation.
SpinBoyZach 7 months ago
@SpinBoyZach Let me see if I have this straight. You're suggesting that spanking a child may cause them to develop "a chronic painful disease"?!? Might I ask where you dreamed up this nonsense?
rhunter42dragon 7 months ago
@rhunter42dragon You don't have it straight. I did not suggest a link between hitting a child and future chronic painful disease. Merely that times where intentional pain was given by a parent can be resented during the event of suffering pain from a future disease process. Spanking a child exploits another human being's physical pain system. What right have you to cause another that pain? If pain = punishment, then, when I get arthritis pain, why am I being 'punished' for no crime?
SpinBoyZach 7 months ago
@rhunter42dragon Hey. I WILL add that spanking a child may most DEFINITELY cause them to develop a sexual fetish for the act! Just do a search on spanking and see how many 'erotic spanking' sites come up. Talk to the many people afflicted. I'll bet you think it's a taste that's acquired only in adulthood. Guess again. Real spanking fetishists start masturbating to the mental vision of spanking at age six and seven and the obsession with it stays with them forever. It can happen to anyone.
SpinBoyZach 7 months ago
I was spanked as a child and I must say it did work. I believe that before a child can conceive wrongdoing that spanking is a way to demonstrate bad behavior. It is also the parents job to explain why you would do such things. If you just beat ur kid with no reason given it gives the impression it is ok. My father practiced this and I respected him "did not fear" because I understood y it was being done.
wehs09 1 year ago
when will fox news readers just read the news instead of making us listen to a load of ignorant conservative bullshit
MultiFagman 1 year ago 2
Well not all spanking works but that depends on how you do it. If you spank your children in a manner consistent with sound Pavlovian science then spanking can be a very efficient tool: watch?v=OtFpT5-dCCc
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
glad to see im not the only one with common sense
yoshi5522 1 year ago
Hitler was a psycho and whether or not he was 'spanked' as a child has no bearing on history, but thanks for insinuating that to spank your is to risk creating a monster. Corporal punishment and child abuse are two different things and don't forget it.
barnacle1brad 1 year ago
The 'scientific studies' are intended for only one outcome and that is a crock of bull. Bottom line is that each parent is unique in his or her approach to discipline and children are also unique in their response to discipline. I don't believe personally that every child should be reproved by use of spankings, nor do I believe that every parent should use the method. It is the choice of the parents to incorporate the tool as required. I would never advocate the government to remove that option
barnacle1brad 1 year ago
@barnacle1brad
Sure it's their choice, but why would you choose to perform an act that the balance of evidence suggests will cause long-term harm to your child? Seems like a selfish choice to me.
twholland1 1 year ago
@twholland1 ,
Evidence also shows that abortion is harmful to children - who is selfish?
barnacle1brad 1 year ago
@barnacle1brad
If you think that an embryo is the same as a child I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
twholland1 1 year ago
@twholland1 Well abortions are done in fetal children not embryos. The embryo stage is too early for surgical abortions.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
@twholland1 meant to vote up, sorry.
Veganbookworm 1 year ago
I was spanked as a child when I did bad things, I turned out fine. Most people that I've known who were not spanked as children are pansies who can't stand up for themselves, probably as a result of it. Take your studies and stick it where the sun don't shine.
hellsunicorn 1 year ago
and how many kids were "studied" for this "scientific" study? I dont believe in scientific studies because they are one sided studies. Until the people who did this study studies more than a few kids, then we will talk about how my reasoning is invalidating science.
yoshi5522 1 year ago
It's obvious why they come out in favour of spanking; they're authoritarians. Do as I say or I'll fucking hit you it their idea of appropriate parenting. It comes out in everything they 'report'. It's why they hate groups like the ACLU. The ACLU tries to help people assert their rights and the FOX people hate empowered people because they can't bully them as easily.
Leave spanking to consenting adults where it should be. ;)
Textra1 1 year ago 7
@Textra1 i wholeheartedly agree.
Veganbookworm 1 year ago
I used to get spanked all the time. Don't know whether it was good or bad. I don't have kids yet, at 27, but when I do, I don't think I'll use this as punishment.
Benvana4 1 year ago
somebody should spank you if you show up to work a minute early..shame on you
1988scottcarey 1 year ago
Wanna spank your kids...don't have kids then i dunno how some of you idiots get women and inpregnet them willingly
1988scottcarey 1 year ago
spanking doesnt cause violent traits in a child. not being parents and not using standards causes violence. I got spanked and glad I did. I have never been more violent than the next guy. I was raised with standards and I live by those standards.
yoshi5522 1 year ago
@yoshi5522 You're right that not setting standards is also a problem, but no standards is not the only alternative to spanking. Also, are you denying the scientific evidence that shows that spanking does, on average, create more violence? This doesn't mean that all spanked kids are more violent than nonspanked kids, there are other factors contributing to this, too, and the authors of the study are aware of this. It means that spanking is one contributing factor to a kid's overall violence.
orkenekro 1 year ago 2
@yoshi5522
"spanking doesnt cause violent traits in a child"
This is demonstrably incorrect. You can assert it until the cows come home, but we know what effects spanking has on children. You're falling into the "I am the World" trap. Just because you were spanked and happened to turn out okay does not invalidate the scientific evidence.
Textra1 1 year ago
Using violence on a child could lead to more violence... Who'd have thought it?
Spanking only teaches a child that my parents have no ideas and resort to hitting me...
Slave2Reason 1 year ago
LiberalViewer,you talk about FoxNews being biased.You are doing exactly what you intend to "out".I'm sure your argument is that Fox has an obligation to provide fair&balanced coverage because people trust them.I watch FoxNews & there are plenty of liberals on to debate their side.However, your videos lack that, your videos are biased, your videos are defamatory & absent of unbiased truth.Your name says it all,you see through the world through a liberal lens.A lens that is perpetually fogged.
JoeTheRock7 1 year ago
@JoeTheRock7 hey dumbass, watch a documentary call "Outfoxed" its about Fox News with ppl who used to work at Fox. They have liberals on but dont u notice they get very intelligent big name right wingers and very unintelligent no name liberals. Its all a strategy to throw spin and cast doubt on the other side
wehs09 1 year ago
@wehs09 Can we at least both agree that there is a distinction between different segments on FOX NEWS? The hard news hours lay out stories like a regular broadcast would and then the opinion shows,do just that, they give their opinion. O'Reilly, Hannity and Susteren are not the people you should have a problem with, because they are not hard news shows. And honestly dude if u r a liberal I hope you realize that MSNBC and CNN got uninteligent people to represent the Tea Party as a whole.
JoeTheRock7 1 year ago
In favor of spanking: Some parents (who were themselves spanked) have read and believe their kids development will be stunted if spanked. Therefore, they dont spank, but instead of disciplining in other ways, decide to 'avoid the issue of discipline'. I think that spanking less harmful to a child than no discipline. However, any other disciplinary measures (once used correctly) are more effective than spanking. So I'm in favor of spanking for parents who do not know how to parent any other way.
allypopsthecorn 1 year ago
@allypopsthecorn except who could honestly claim to not know any other way in this day and age? If you don't know what to do and can't be bothered to read a few books or articles on parenting you probably shouldn't be a parent.
CareerKnight 1 year ago
@CareerKnight By the sounds of these responses, it sounds like many people really don't have any other ideas. How can the alternative to spanking be eg grounding? Grounding children is also stupid. Any delayed punishment doesn't work very well. In fact, punishment as a whole is not very effective. The best principle is to reinforce good behaviours as soon as they happen on a variable ratio schedule (at random intervals) instead of ignoring your kid until they go wrong in the first place.
orkenekro 1 year ago
72 ppl are masoquists
7raib 1 year ago
Jobs, jobs, jobs! Where are the jobs? Oh, and by the way, where is the accounting for where the stimulus money went? Didn't Obama promise transparency? But you go right on talking about spanking. The adults (thank God) are voting in November.
gore53 1 year ago
spanking is perfectly fine... all these idiots overreact about it... kids need to be put in their place or your kids will be those loud annoying ones everyone wishes they could hit
itsTHEFIREDOG 1 year ago
@itsTHEFIREDOG Fine then, so every time you make an ass out of yourself I can beat you?
Gokuderakun 1 year ago
@Gokuderakun i am an adult and have learned from my wrongs as a child from spankings... if i got a out of line and did something bad i was punished ... so i dont go around being a little hooligan... but yeah sure if i make an ass out of myself you can come to where i live and hit me.. guarantee you youll end up leaving with an ass beating.. i also wasnt raised to be a pussy
itsTHEFIREDOG 1 year ago
You are biased idiots! Maybe they get spanked more because they are bad and bad kids turn in to bad people?
trwhittaker 1 year ago
Spanking is bad? The problem with society is everyone has been coddled and spoiled and get away with everything. I will spank my kids when they do wrong so they learn that they don't do it and end up like all the stoners at my school. My parents spanked the hell out of me and it made me better. No wonder each passing generation gets weeker, more perverted, and our society is declining rapidly. Because we coddle the hell out of kids and don't teach them how to be responsible, respectful, adults.
panzerkilla 1 year ago
@panzerkilla If you think society is undergoeing degradation, you should really go back to the 1900s with segregation, a lack of sexual equality and homophobia. Why do you fear less aggressive (weaker? no), more sexually open (perverted? no) and a more accepting society (declining? no.) This is the future. Wake up and accept it!
XtremeGoose 1 year ago
@XtremeGoose I guess we will find out how long a corrupt culture lasts. Obviously it looks pretty good right now. More sexually open is perverted.. When I see a viagra commercial on cartoon network at 4:00 pm I do believe that there is a problem with our society. This nation was built on moral standars, natural law. Now we have almost completely fallen from it.. But I suppose those guys were old thinkers and are not relevent anymore.
panzerkilla 1 year ago
I love Fox news, and I have never spanked any of my children, although, I got my butt busted as a kid...it did not make me overly aggressive. I do believe though that there are times when it is necessary.
califgirl11 1 year ago
Though I'm not full on for setting your child on the lap and spanking the crap out of them, a little physical aggression is necessary to establish dominance with your children. When I was a child, I was only "beat" once, and that was a few raps on the butt with a wooden spoon. I never disrespected my parents again, and when they pulled out that spoon and told me to stop misbehaving, I sure as hell started behaving properly!
Fox is incredibly biased, but unfortunately so is this video.
VoradoMusic 1 year ago
I'm a liberal and although I'm not for spanking, per se, I am for light physical punishment, such as a pop in the mouth for talking back or a slap on the wrists for taking a cookie. Things like that. There are just some things that can't be done with grounding. That's what I believe at least.
DaltonMan321 1 year ago
The older I get and more experiences I look back on, the more I realize the help and answers I needed in life, in all areas, are found in the Bible. And that If I would have followed what it said all along, I would have a lot fewer regrets now on why I didn't do things differently. Follow what the creator says and you will do much better in life then by following what the creation suggest, in all things.
randho8 1 year ago
The narrator of this clip is a self indulgent putz who, obviously, should have been spanked more as a child. I'd be willing to bet that he'd have trouble finding a single conservative position broadcast on FNC with which he agrees....and that's just the way it is with our "tolerant" liberal friends.
es347 1 year ago
@es347 Do you have something to say in response to the arguments he made or the scientific reports cited? Do any of you right wingers EVER have any substantial arguments in response to ours?
rnalithe00 2 months ago
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Liberal douche, thats all you are
noble60 1 year ago
Maybe spanking wouldn't be so bad if it was a simple pop on the butt to get them to stop tantruming and listen... but there are too many people who have too many issues to leave it so simple. I'm not aggressive, but I'm very flinchy, probably thanks to being belt-beaten and spanked over anything. :\ (Was left in bad care while mom worked.)
I don't think spanking should be the first step, ever. Really, anything, slapping and yanking, included, like that...
KellieWellieBear 1 year ago
Faux News LOL
Dailybabble 1 year ago
I hate Fox News as much as the next guy- but this is bullshit! Robert Larzelere pointed out these studies as scientifically unsound and have pointed out methodological flaws in how they were conducted, as well as the conclusions drawn...
The first scientifically sound research to suggest corporal punishment has a negative effect on children came out 3 months ago. Janet C. Rice, PhD wrote a piece on it.
Also, it entirely depends on the society and intricate culture norms.
Don't FOX the facts!
sypin 1 year ago
I weep at the fact that this is even being debated.
zoidberg1201 1 year ago 2
You used the phrase they hate.......SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!
Scientific evidence is what tells them the earth is over 10,000 years old, it tells them that animals evolved and were not created and it tell them their bible is a heap of crap, so anything that has that label has to be discredited, even if it has nothing to do with their christian beliefs.
wordavee 1 year ago
Hhhhhmmmmm....... I wonder if Hitler got spanked a lot when he was a child (and as an adult?) thumbs up if you agree! :)
swiftmachine1515 1 year ago 18
@swiftmachine1515 Lets try beaten.....
HUSKY57887 1 year ago
@swiftmachine1515 Its funny that you mention that. Because in Albert Speer's (minister for armanents) book he talked about how Hitler described severe beatings from his father and he also called it the making of him. Put you off corporal punishment? Yes? No? Anyone?
Kdanc86 1 year ago
@Kdanc86 I generally don't make my decisions by looking at what Hitler did. He was also a vegetarian and an animal lover.
darwinkilledgod 7 months ago
@swiftmachine1515 According to historical accounts, Hitler received harsh thrashings from his father.
GeorgiaKev 1 year ago
Whether or not it 'works' to control behavior, or leads to aggression, spanking is still a DEGRADING VIOLATION OF ANOTHER PERSON'S BODY. You are using a form of TOUCH to punish. A touch that is painful is just as unwelcome, and is just as much of a bodily violation, as a touch that it sexual. Stop flaunting the excuse that this was the norm generations ago. Civilized man keeps advancing and becoming enlightened to the reality of his past mistakes. That's why we no longer own slaves.
SpinBoyZach 1 year ago 22
@SpinBoyZach That's very true, and it's rediculous that there are still a fair amount of peopl who do not seem to realize this.
DevilWomanCake 1 year ago
@SpinBoyZach we don't own slaves anymore because it was effecting our economy in a bad way. apparently someone didn't pass their history class :/
AmeliaPheonix 8 months ago
@AmeliaPheonix Sorry you didn't pass your history class; maybe you can take it again, dear. But there actually WAS a major moral issue included in the abolishment of slavery as well.
SpinBoyZach 7 months ago
I agree with chibicat13 in that I was spanked as a child, and believe I am 100% better off for it, given I had friends who were not disciplined like I was who got into considerable amounts more trouble and were definitely more violent.
I am one of the least violent people I know, I don't break the law, I have a respect for the rules and I respect my parent's decision to physically punish me because it worked and most of the time, they were right.
I can't speak for everyone, but spanking helps.
bleacherbum420 1 year ago
I was spanked as a kid, I would only be spanked if I did something wrong... after the spanking, I did not do the wrong deed again... I would be too afraid of being spanked again.
I turned out ok, I am not violent, I don't break the law, ect.
Why is it that today's generation of kids are so fragile, yet years ago where spanking was the norm, those kids still turned out fine?
chibicat13 1 year ago
Spanking does NOT lead to aggressive behavior!! My father believed in spanking only as a last resort but by the occasional spank, we---me, my brother and sister, turned out pretty well ie. no attitude problems, no drugs, no screwed-up lives in general. Spanking in excess might be debated but some corporal discipline needs to be enforced in situations which might otherwise lead to poor family structure and tyrannical and abusive children.
HerrEllsworth 1 year ago
You are an idiot and oviously have a severe bias for fox news and want to nit pick at any little thing they say of do.
TheHepinstall 1 year ago
A rational argument, Sure and here it is....Thats right the bible says to spank the child and drive foolishness from them. You can believe a man or the creator of the universe. You choose. Its actually aimed at obstinate children. The best tool to show right and wrong is the parents example.
IHLGA 1 year ago
I believe you show a child right from wrong by explaining my what they did was wrong, and if you cant find a reason its wrong, then the rule is arbitrary, thus acceptable to break.
"Question everything, or shut up and be a victim of authority"- Green Day
amateursurgeon1107 1 year ago
@amateursurgeon1107
if only life was as simple as you want it to be. We could all skip hand in hand down the merry path. Yes,that would be a nice place. JUST EXPLAIN URSELF, and all is well.and if Johnny wants to smoke pot at 12 years old,then let him . After all ,we don't want to impose our values on little Johnny do we. A good spanking might offend little Johnny. And when he tells u to "take a shit for urself',dont get angry . He's only questioning authority. Thank God for Greenday.
nick451 1 year ago
@nick451 Well, you seem to be mistaking the notion that anti-spanking is anti-discipline, it's not. There are alternative means to discipline a child that does not require physical abuse such as positive reinforcement which has shown to be extremely effective in modifying behavior. As for not trusting research what would you trust? Sociological and psychological research provides a scientific method to understand the human experience.
JMason1984 1 year ago
@JMason1984
trust your mother ,she actually gives a dam about you. 99% of the time . The govt.,and researchers, don't really give a dam about anything but money they can filch,for their own personal wants. It's always funny when a man tells you he has the better way.
Research is a springboard ,a thinking place. Not an absolution on what's right and wrong. Those who follow research blindly ,usually get what they deserve. A swift kick in the teeth. "and the mighty big bang theory"
nick451 1 year ago
@nick451 Yes, well you're assuming people are the same, tell that to mothers and fathers that abuse their children out of love or kill their children out of love. A mom may believe that spanking is the appropriate method of rearing a child without knowing the harm that it does. Research provides evidentiary support allowing parents to understand the harm of spanking and alternative methods to discipline a child without physically harming the child with greater results.
JMason1984 1 year ago
@JMason1984
Yes 99% of mothers are rotten bastards,how could i not know that. And murdering children too!!
Researchers,have no reason to lie.They just want to help. AND THEY ARE,never wrong.Wonderful people.I got it now.Sorry, for the generations of "harmed" children that surely must be the dregs of society today. They built this nation,but let's not let facts get in the way of good liberal research. Just enjoy the view of your daughter's ass as she walks down the street. That's reality.
nick451 1 year ago
@nick451 Wow, I don't know where you got 99% of mothers being rotten bastards but what I was discussing earlier were parents do not fall under your assumption of following a set of codes but merely stating they do not understand the effects of passing down previous forms of punishments and not truly/fully understanding their effects. Spanking is done out of learned behavior not because it's effective.
JMason1984 1 year ago
@JMason1984
I got it,"they do not understand".It seems to be the progressive mantra.I hear it enough from Obama "they just do not understand,health care,and don't exhale all that carbon dioxide"Over ,and over ,like a broken record.Mommy is to stupid to know what works in her own home,and how to handle her own children.She needs"big brother" to teach her.Hey big brother ,as soon as you arrive, break up the family.That is just what's happening. It's just "learned behavior".
LEARN IT MY WAY.
nick451 1 year ago