First of all, back to the wedding in Cana. John 2:4 reads, "Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come." Here is where you get the element of time. When he calls his mother "Woman," he does not mean any disrespect. If you watch my video, "The Peter Principle," you'll find out how Mary symbolizes the Holy Spirit.
Okay, there were six jugs filled with water. The six jugs are the 6 thousand year periods where the word would simply be "the word," or the promise. Their changing into wine would be their promise becoming their fulfilled...when they have the power to "intoxicate," that is, when they fill us all with the Holy Spirit. "Let us not be drunk with wine, but with the Holy Spirit." The 6,000 years are past, I believe, and now is the time to become "intoxicated," as it says in the Gospel of Thomas.
Okay, so at the last supper the cup of wine would be a symbol for the holy spirit, which is his blood? If a jug is a thousand years how many years is the cup symbolizing?
Also, in the Gospel of the Hebrews 4, Quote by Origen, Commentary on John 2, we read,"At that moment, my mother, the Holy Spirit took me, whisked me away by one of my hairs, and brought me to the great Mount Tabor. So if it is not his time YET, and he has "nothing to do with" her YET, then this points to a future time when he will "have to do with her." At the last supper he says of the bread, "Take this now and eat of it, for this is my body, which is offered up on your behalf.
After the supper, he took the cup as he had before, blessed it and offered it to them, saying, All of you, drink of it. And the disciples drank therefrom. This cup is the new covenant which is in my blood, which is poured out for your sakes (and) many others; that the sins of the many might be forgiven. I am telling you the truth, I will not again drink of the fruit of the vine until such time as I drink it again with you in my Fathers kingdom, the kingdom of God."
His Spirit is "poured out" for our sakes, but then we drink of it again in the kingdom. Now John tells us in 1:14 "...and the Word (LOGOS) became flesh. When he says of the bread, "This is my flesh," he means, "This is my WORD," (or the LOGOS)that is offered up..." Since his word was broken (-up-between canonical and apocryphal)the Holy Spirit was thus poured out. (out of his body came both water and blood, Father, into thy hands I commend my SPIRIT, etc. The Apostles drank of the first cup.
So, how does this tie in with the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish miracle? Are the loaves something to do with his word multiplying? What are the fishes representing?
Wow, you really want me to untie the Gordian Knot. First of all, you get the loaves and fishes story twice. The first time with 5 loaves, 2 fish and 12 baskets full of bits. The second starts with 7 loaves, a few small fish, and 7 leftover baskets. Now the loaves and the fishes are both his Word. Nortice that the 5 loaves were for the 5,000, so we have a correlation between 5 and 5,000.
These 5 loaves represent the fifth millenneum, the one they were currently in, with the two that have not yet come. The baskets that were filled were twelve in number, which fixes it symbolically as the apostolic millennium, or age. (The same as the first cup.) In the second case, we have seven loaves and an undisclosed number of fish. Since we have two more loaves, this is his word in the 7th millenneum.
This is corroborrated by the 7 baskets that were picked up--no longer the apostolic age, but God's. (The number 7.) As for the 4,000 years, this has to be subtracted from the2,000 years that have presumably passed (The 2 fish & the 2 extra loaves.) This puts it close to the 6,000 years. (A.D. 2000) 6,000 - 4,000 = 2000 B.C., or around the time of Moses. Since this period encompasses both the Jewish and Christian eras, these would be God's chosen people. These are those who inherit the kingdom.
The first picture is thus the kingdom as it stood at the time, the second was the kingdom as it will be, and they couldn't take any bread with them for the simple reason that you cannot take the "age" (the 2 loaves) with you across the age (the sea.) The fish in the second picture were indeterminate in number because no one knows the "day or the hour."
@Apocryphile1970 good video's, what are your views on the Eucharist? Do you think its just symbolic how most Protestants believe, do you believe that the host turns into blood and flesh of Jesus Christ in its complete divinity or do you believe neither?
@bigboyburnsy Strange to say, but I kind of believe it's both. Remember how when Jesus said, "Whenever two or more are gathered in my name, there I AM. Nothing was created without him, and it is his "substance" that we live in. Sure it's symbolic, but it's also real. If the one giving the Eucharist and the one receiving the Eucharist are 'together" in his name, so to speak, in other words in agreement, then there he is in their midst. If they both believe, then he is there and in it I believe.
Great job!!! Could you please provide the verses you were reading from throughout the videos?
777holysoulja 2 years ago
Okay thanks for your reply, very interesting. I'll watch more of your vids to get more insight.
Delishful 3 years ago
First of all, back to the wedding in Cana. John 2:4 reads, "Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come." Here is where you get the element of time. When he calls his mother "Woman," he does not mean any disrespect. If you watch my video, "The Peter Principle," you'll find out how Mary symbolizes the Holy Spirit.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
Okay, there were six jugs filled with water. The six jugs are the 6 thousand year periods where the word would simply be "the word," or the promise. Their changing into wine would be their promise becoming their fulfilled...when they have the power to "intoxicate," that is, when they fill us all with the Holy Spirit. "Let us not be drunk with wine, but with the Holy Spirit." The 6,000 years are past, I believe, and now is the time to become "intoxicated," as it says in the Gospel of Thomas.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
Okay, so at the last supper the cup of wine would be a symbol for the holy spirit, which is his blood? If a jug is a thousand years how many years is the cup symbolizing?
Delishful 3 years ago
Also, in the Gospel of the Hebrews 4, Quote by Origen, Commentary on John 2, we read,"At that moment, my mother, the Holy Spirit took me, whisked me away by one of my hairs, and brought me to the great Mount Tabor. So if it is not his time YET, and he has "nothing to do with" her YET, then this points to a future time when he will "have to do with her." At the last supper he says of the bread, "Take this now and eat of it, for this is my body, which is offered up on your behalf.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
After the supper, he took the cup as he had before, blessed it and offered it to them, saying, All of you, drink of it. And the disciples drank therefrom. This cup is the new covenant which is in my blood, which is poured out for your sakes (and) many others; that the sins of the many might be forgiven. I am telling you the truth, I will not again drink of the fruit of the vine until such time as I drink it again with you in my Fathers kingdom, the kingdom of God."
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
His Spirit is "poured out" for our sakes, but then we drink of it again in the kingdom. Now John tells us in 1:14 "...and the Word (LOGOS) became flesh. When he says of the bread, "This is my flesh," he means, "This is my WORD," (or the LOGOS)that is offered up..." Since his word was broken (-up-between canonical and apocryphal)the Holy Spirit was thus poured out. (out of his body came both water and blood, Father, into thy hands I commend my SPIRIT, etc. The Apostles drank of the first cup.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
That cup was "Poured out," so to speak, but we will drink of it again--in the kingdom.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
So, how does this tie in with the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish miracle? Are the loaves something to do with his word multiplying? What are the fishes representing?
Delishful 3 years ago
Wow, you really want me to untie the Gordian Knot. First of all, you get the loaves and fishes story twice. The first time with 5 loaves, 2 fish and 12 baskets full of bits. The second starts with 7 loaves, a few small fish, and 7 leftover baskets. Now the loaves and the fishes are both his Word. Nortice that the 5 loaves were for the 5,000, so we have a correlation between 5 and 5,000.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
These 5 loaves represent the fifth millenneum, the one they were currently in, with the two that have not yet come. The baskets that were filled were twelve in number, which fixes it symbolically as the apostolic millennium, or age. (The same as the first cup.) In the second case, we have seven loaves and an undisclosed number of fish. Since we have two more loaves, this is his word in the 7th millenneum.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
This is corroborrated by the 7 baskets that were picked up--no longer the apostolic age, but God's. (The number 7.) As for the 4,000 years, this has to be subtracted from the2,000 years that have presumably passed (The 2 fish & the 2 extra loaves.) This puts it close to the 6,000 years. (A.D. 2000) 6,000 - 4,000 = 2000 B.C., or around the time of Moses. Since this period encompasses both the Jewish and Christian eras, these would be God's chosen people. These are those who inherit the kingdom.
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
The first picture is thus the kingdom as it stood at the time, the second was the kingdom as it will be, and they couldn't take any bread with them for the simple reason that you cannot take the "age" (the 2 loaves) with you across the age (the sea.) The fish in the second picture were indeterminate in number because no one knows the "day or the hour."
Apocryphile1970 3 years ago
@Apocryphile1970 good video's, what are your views on the Eucharist? Do you think its just symbolic how most Protestants believe, do you believe that the host turns into blood and flesh of Jesus Christ in its complete divinity or do you believe neither?
bigboyburnsy 1 year ago
@bigboyburnsy Strange to say, but I kind of believe it's both. Remember how when Jesus said, "Whenever two or more are gathered in my name, there I AM. Nothing was created without him, and it is his "substance" that we live in. Sure it's symbolic, but it's also real. If the one giving the Eucharist and the one receiving the Eucharist are 'together" in his name, so to speak, in other words in agreement, then there he is in their midst. If they both believe, then he is there and in it I believe.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
What does it mean when Jesus turns water into wine. What does the word become?
Delishful 3 years ago