Your analogy fails miserably. If Jesus told the Jews that a general sat on the witness stand and said "you can't handle the truth" and then He went to North America and told the Nephites that a general sat on the stand in Jerusalem and said "you can't handle the truth" we would expect two written accounts of what Jesus said to be similar if not the same. Give up and repent. Quit dreaming up ways to fight against God's true Church.
"This video is an ABSOLUTE fallacy. No ONE has the original Bible manuscripts"
I'm curious, does the LDS church have the actual original Book of Mormon transcripts from Joseph Smith or are they property of the RLDS, Community of Christ?
But the "golden plates" was not written in greek.... I believe that the Book of mormon also plagiarised "View of the hebrews" - you can read it online - google it. It was published in 1823, and is a story about jews coming over to america
That's exactly what the Walnut Creek Stake President 3/4 weeks ago about the FLDS during Stake Conference at the Temple in Oakland,CA.
Both groups claim to follow Joseph Smith. The FLDS believe that the LDS fell away from the true teachings of Smith and Young when the church abandoned polygamy in the 1890s. FLDS teaches that polygamy is necessary for complete salvation. Where as the LDS believe in the practice of polygamy in the after life.
The FLDS focus more on BY since polygamy wasn't started until 1852. they follow the LDS prophets until they were excommunicated by Heber Grant in the 1930's. They don't consider themselves Mormon.
Considering yourself Mormon is not the question. The roots of both groups are from SMITH and Young. It is kind of hard to distinguish the two as different. If anything the FLDS or fundamentalist Mormons are the true followers of Mormonism.
No - because mormonisms doctrine is almost as it was when Smith was murdered for polygamy - fundamentalist mormon vs mormon = both mormons. Its like christians vs fundamentalist christians =both christians
Would you be angry if someone who called himself a prophet of God married your wife? Polyandry/polygamy was illegal in when Joseph practiced it... and thank God, it still is...
Ohh.... Check out FAMILYSEARCH (dot) ORG and find your prophet Joseph Smith.... What is Emma supposed to accept in D&C 132? - (other women).. Joseph got that convenient revelation when Emma had discovered that Joseph had married other women.... And if she did not accept them - terrible things would happen to her...
you can read many good books on that - even by LDS historians... But have you heard that Joseph was a polygamist by anyone of your LDS family or friends?
my D&C intro talks here about eternal marriage AND PLURAL MARRIAGE and adds a reference from History of the church 5;501-507. (translated) - verse 52-54 and 61-62... It was a revelation given to Joseph and written down 12. july 1843
I am Mormon and education is very important to us. Mormons are some of the MOST educated people in America. I forget others don't share in our pursuit of knowledge.
Yeah, dont the leaders stress that? My first thought on that is that the members get better jobs - so they earn more money - so the LDS church get more money... But thats just my opinion....
This video is an ABSOLUTE fallacy. No ONE has the original Bible manuscripts so how can you say he translated it incorrectly. I grow tired of the BS.
First the BOM is plagiarized and then it isn't. You can't even make up your mind in the same video.
That is the problem with the ANTImormon movement you are throwing around accusations hoping something with stick. There is NO honesty or integrity in that.
Good points made Shawn. Book of Mormon so obviousely plagiarised from the KJV (and various 19th century works popular in the day). Shame many LDS are unwilling to see the obvious. 5*
How could anyone believe the Mormon church was true? It is sooo obvious that Joseph Smith plagiarized from the Bible.
rotturbrain 3 years ago 4
Your analogy fails miserably. If Jesus told the Jews that a general sat on the witness stand and said "you can't handle the truth" and then He went to North America and told the Nephites that a general sat on the stand in Jerusalem and said "you can't handle the truth" we would expect two written accounts of what Jesus said to be similar if not the same. Give up and repent. Quit dreaming up ways to fight against God's true Church.
billsoule 3 years ago
Have you been born again trough faith in Jesus? If you die tonight, would you live with God?
testskriftene 3 years ago
omiolo-
"This video is an ABSOLUTE fallacy. No ONE has the original Bible manuscripts"
I'm curious, does the LDS church have the actual original Book of Mormon transcripts from Joseph Smith or are they property of the RLDS, Community of Christ?
MistyAnn0414 3 years ago
But the "golden plates" was not written in greek.... I believe that the Book of mormon also plagiarised "View of the hebrews" - you can read it online - google it. It was published in 1823, and is a story about jews coming over to america
testskriftene 3 years ago
You're slick,Rick, I'll have to admit that!
Hoot96 3 years ago
If I wrote a story about a guy named Shawn, who went around persecuting the Church, would that make me a plagiarist?
analoguetom 3 years ago
You see this show as persecution?
testskriftene 3 years ago
I see a parallel with Paul and Alma the younger.
analoguetom 3 years ago
thats right - directly plagiarised
testskriftene 3 years ago
That's exactly what the Walnut Creek Stake President 3/4 weeks ago about the FLDS during Stake Conference at the Temple in Oakland,CA.
Both groups claim to follow Joseph Smith. The FLDS believe that the LDS fell away from the true teachings of Smith and Young when the church abandoned polygamy in the 1890s. FLDS teaches that polygamy is necessary for complete salvation. Where as the LDS believe in the practice of polygamy in the after life.
uSoBayArea 3 years ago
USOBAYAREA,
The FLDS focus more on BY since polygamy wasn't started until 1852. they follow the LDS prophets until they were excommunicated by Heber Grant in the 1930's. They don't consider themselves Mormon.
omiolo 3 years ago
Considering yourself Mormon is not the question. The roots of both groups are from SMITH and Young. It is kind of hard to distinguish the two as different. If anything the FLDS or fundamentalist Mormons are the true followers of Mormonism.
uSoBayArea 3 years ago
USOBAYAREA,
based on that argument, we can't distinguish if JEWS, MUSLIMS and CHRISTIANS are any different since they all say their roots stem from ABRAHAM!
omiolo 3 years ago
Clearly the BofM is your chosen WORD.
uSoBayArea 3 years ago
I don't even know what that means!
omiolo 3 years ago
No - because mormonisms doctrine is almost as it was when Smith was murdered for polygamy - fundamentalist mormon vs mormon = both mormons. Its like christians vs fundamentalist christians =both christians
testskriftene 3 years ago
murdered for polygamy??
WTF??
you have been reading way way too much ANTImormon literature. Do you know it makes your eyes go cross?
omiolo 3 years ago
Would you be angry if someone who called himself a prophet of God married your wife? Polyandry/polygamy was illegal in when Joseph practiced it... and thank God, it still is...
testskriftene 3 years ago
testy,
way way too much ANTImormon literature. JS didn't practice polygamy let alone polyandry.
Joseph actually fought polygamy and excommunicated people who practiced it. BY and EMMA both denied he practiced it.
omiolo 3 years ago
Ohh.... Check out FAMILYSEARCH (dot) ORG and find your prophet Joseph Smith.... What is Emma supposed to accept in D&C 132? - (other women).. Joseph got that convenient revelation when Emma had discovered that Joseph had married other women.... And if she did not accept them - terrible things would happen to her...
testskriftene 3 years ago
familysearch is a wiki type entering system. I can put that you are a polygamist wife of the bearded wonder here, would that make it true?
omiolo 3 years ago
you can read many good books on that - even by LDS historians... But have you heard that Joseph was a polygamist by anyone of your LDS family or friends?
testskriftene 3 years ago
testy,
yes, I have heard that JS was a polygamist by my less educated friends.
I like other researchers have done the research and have the evidence to indicate JS wasn't a polygamist. Polygamy started in 1852!!!
omiolo 3 years ago
Ohh... keep searching - its pretty much evidence that Joseph Smith was a polygamist - what did Emma have to accept in D&C 132?
testskriftene 3 years ago
testy,
please quote for me exactly where it says JS WAS a polygamist in DC 132? This is a trick question.
Also, when was 132 announced? When was 132 first published?
omiolo 3 years ago
my D&C intro talks here about eternal marriage AND PLURAL MARRIAGE and adds a reference from History of the church 5;501-507. (translated) - verse 52-54 and 61-62... It was a revelation given to Joseph and written down 12. july 1843
testskriftene 3 years ago
testy,
are you saying that the Westboro baptist church is christian?
Are you saying the KKK is christian also?
omiolo 3 years ago
KKK does not see the Biblical message - and about the other - I dont know - I live in Norway
testskriftene 3 years ago
KKK considered themselves FUNDAMENTALISTIC christian. Christian Crusaders if you will.
do a google search for the westboro baptist church, they are VERY well known in AMERICA.
omiolo 3 years ago 2
why would I do that?
testskriftene 3 years ago
testy,
I am Mormon and education is very important to us. Mormons are some of the MOST educated people in America. I forget others don't share in our pursuit of knowledge.
omiolo 3 years ago
Yeah, dont the leaders stress that? My first thought on that is that the members get better jobs - so they earn more money - so the LDS church get more money... But thats just my opinion....
testskriftene 3 years ago
"why would I do that?"
another reason is because the Westboro Baptist Church is one of the reasons Americans DETEST EVANGELICALS
omiolo 3 years ago
Ok. We dont have them in Norway - so I dont care that much
testskriftene 3 years ago
This video is an ABSOLUTE fallacy. No ONE has the original Bible manuscripts so how can you say he translated it incorrectly. I grow tired of the BS.
First the BOM is plagiarized and then it isn't. You can't even make up your mind in the same video.
That is the problem with the ANTImormon movement you are throwing around accusations hoping something with stick. There is NO honesty or integrity in that.
omiolo 3 years ago
I wouldnt worry about Mormons so much, they r not like Baptists that abduct children and put them in the texas pedaphile foster care system.
video
Texas Baptists rescue abused flds children
Ecothearcy 3 years ago
First of all they weren't Mormons. They were FLDS
Second, all baptists do is propagate HATE.
i.e the WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH and others
you really shouldn't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
omiolo 3 years ago
They have found older manuscripts that clarify some words - that Joseph plagiarised (the wrong words).
If the church is not true - would you want to know?
testskriftene 3 years ago
Let me understand this. You don't like the Book of Mormon because it is too much like the Bible?
Yet, you like the Bible??
WTF???
omiolo 3 years ago
I love the Bible - this only shows that Joseph plagiarised from the Bible - yet another evidence that the Book of mormon is not true
testskriftene 3 years ago
Testy,
If you believed that is true you should love the Book of Mormon, since according to you it is a word for word copy of the Bible.
Since you don't believe that, you know the BOM wasn't plagiarized.
omiolo 3 years ago
No - not word for word - some passages are word for word - you should take your time and check them out.. and some of the stories are plagiarised...
testskriftene 3 years ago
Yawn....
AlexM65 3 years ago
Good points made Shawn. Book of Mormon so obviousely plagiarised from the KJV (and various 19th century works popular in the day). Shame many LDS are unwilling to see the obvious. 5*
Shazoolo 3 years ago