John Piper - God is dangerous apart from Jesus Christ

[voyagersystem]

John Piper is correct. You must go through Jesus to get to God.

[abominableangel]

then why would Jesus give us the Fathers prayer to pray 3 times a day .. there is not mention of "in Jesus name" before you say amen in that prayer so this theory of yours piper is flawed

[777JesusDisciple]

ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD & MAN

[lutherangamer]

The thing is God doesn't exist apart from Jesus!

[lutherangamer]

No, Mr Piper, they will not be incinerated, they will be poked in their conscience to return to Jesus! This is an AWFUL video, which is a shame, because some other videos of yours are excellent.

[lutherangamer]

Wezde, take a grain of salt when listening to Piper, or many of the other celebrity pastors. God is not an angry God, He is firm, and sometimes strict, but it's never mixed with anger. The bible says God's anger lasts for but a moment, but His grace for a lifetime. Trust God as if He were your real life dad, if you had a good dad. He longs for you to do that, and then you will have everything you need. God is not a harsh master! He will save us all eventually!

[WEZDEZ303]

Have any of you felt like me!? Weak, weary, unable, lazy, bored, lil interest?! If u have felt like those emotions above then what did u do!? The Christian life is tOOOOOOOO hard for me! my heart rather wants to sin than follow Jesus! What do I do now!?? I suck at normal life anyway and I suck with living the Christian life! I think I failed most of my exams, and hav no hope for the future, really no goal no aspiration..I'm not looking forward to anything in life!

[kewlazpewp]

@WEZDEZ303 so will shall we suffer in this world for living in him, keep your eyes and heart fixated on Christ and the Kingdom, and you will have joy, before you sin, when you feel that old sinful feeling coming up immediately pray to the one who bought you, and you will be comforted and you will have victory for the Father knows best, trust and have faith in the Lord, i will pray for you

[WEZDEZ303]

Carrying on ---- trying to live for god is satisfying but it feels so DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW JESUS! and the sinning way is easy, but its destructive, depressing, just not nice! AND IT ENDS WITH HELL! I feel so in need of someone to help me! I feel disqualified from Gods grace...don't think I'm innocent! I have a gross wicked heart! I wish someone can b there next to me just helping me with carrying out this Christian life! I don't know! How on earth do pastors cope with their weaknesses, sin etc?!

[WEZDEZ303]

Please help or say something! I turned over to the Lord and asked him to come into my life, I felt hopeful, and new..i thought it went well with me and god for a week or so.. But then I started to get bored! I CBA to read bible, I was more interested in watching TV/sports etc! And lusting is a huge problem of mine! I just feel so UNABLE to live a Christian life I feel pressure to live this life! ITS WAY TO HARD! so I gave up..I went bak to eating lots, lusting lots, selfish! Trying to live for

[kewlazpewp]

@WEZDEZ303 You must understand when you gave yourself to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit entered you and resurrected you as a new creation, but its not perfect and holy as it will be in the kingdom. Your still in your sinful flesh, you must understand the old you died and you are a new creation in Christ, walk in him, walk in the Spirit, avoid all the old things you used to watch or do, and it will be easier to have victory over your sin, but being in Christ will never be easy.

[savana906]

God is Holy and we need to go to God through Jesus Christ, Amen!

[savana906]

God loves us but hate, HATES sin!

[kenfo0]

It looks as if my post was dropped. If you see a double, please mark one as spam.

This sermon is clearly, demonstrably wrong. So much so, I can't imagine how he arrived here. Easiest proof: The Lord's prayer. Jesus taught us how to pray TO THE FATHER (God). Next, Jesus taught all the time that God is NOT a nasty mean God. He wants good things for you...his laws are there to HELP, not harm you. Lastly, God so loved the world, that He sent his only, begotten Son...

[Superbee4401]

@kenfo0 However, we are not cleansed without Jesus. God may love us, but He hates sin.

[kenfo0]

@Superbee4401 JESUS gave us "the Lord's prayer". Hence, this point has been settled. Nowhere did I say Jesus is not an important part of our spiritual life. "What father whose son asks him for bread would give him a stone?". We are all God's children. Best wishes.

[Superbee4401]

@kenfo0 I agree with what you say, but praying to God without going through Christ is in vain.

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Going through Jesus is the only way to obtain salvation. There is no other way.

btw, he is an angry God because we have sinned against him. He still loves us all the same with an everlasting , but He hates sin. So without Christ to carry our sins we are lost. Luke 19:10.

God bless

[kenfo0]

@Superbee4401 I think you, like many, have a vastly incorrect understanding of Jesus, God, the Trininty and their relation. That's my opinion, you can choose to disagree. The quote you provide can easily be taken that "through me" (certainly your not saying you literally walk through Him) is "acting in my ways". Jesus gave us the Lord's prayer. In my interpretation, the prayer and the quote are in perfect accordance. You CANNOT reconcile the two in your view. Jesus misled you? Hardly.

[Superbee4401]

@kenfo0 No, not through him physically! lol

I mean as in believing that Christ came down and bore the wrath of God for my sins. Through acknowledging that Christ bore my sins so I am cleansed. Through placing my sins on Jesus so I may enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Through Jesus I have salvation.

I'm not saying the Lords Prayer is wrong, but as Piper said, it must be said while believing in Christ and going through Him.

[MyGodMyKing]

Wow :)

[UrukEngineer]

End the suffering now. Stop believing in this bollocks.

I find this fundementalist mind crontol scary. It is exactly the same world view that inspires young men to fly aircraft into buildings.

Piper is clear - only christians are right. In his world view could there ever be peace with muslims, hindus or indeed Atheists? His uncompromising bigotry will end in tears for us all - when the ones still left alive anyway.

[pixelsage]

@UrukEngineer - Unfortunately, ceasing in a belief does not negate its existence. This "world view" as you call it does not inspire young men to fly aircraft into buildings - the corruption of truth does so. To ask a Christian to compromise his beliefs to "get along" with others is to be hypocritical - you are imploring them to adopt your world view, the very thing you condemn them to do.

Will his "uncompromising bigotry" leave us in tears? No. I believe sin will be the cause for that.

[UrukEngineer]

@pixelsage "ceasing in a belief does not negate its existence" - are you sure? What about a belief in Zeus? God and religion exists in one place - the mind.

I am offended by many religiously ACTIONS. If the religious just kept their thoughts to themselves that would be fine. But they can't. Furthermore they feel threatened by alternative views and will not tolerate them = conflict. If religions can't live peacefully next to each other we are all in trouble. Don't you agree?

[pixelsage]

@UrukEngineer - I am very sure that ceasing in belief does not negate existence. The rock in my yard exists regardless of anyone's belief in it. Zeus was never a real entity, just a concept, so such an example does not apply. If you have solid proof that my God exists only in the mind, please present it!

By asking any religion to "keep to themselves," you promote your own doctrine and view of god, one you hold superior. That in itself creates conflict, the very thing you forbid others to do.

[UrukEngineer]

@pixelsage Reasons why you are utterly wrong:

1. Zeus was as real to the ancient greeks as your god is to you. They pointed to lightning, earthquakes, plagues, famines as evidence - just as chsristians still do. They murdered in his name - just as still christians do (eg abortion doctors).

2. You make the outrageous claim god exists, it is for you to prove - not me to disprove.

3. Either religions keep it to themselves or accept others are as valid, otherwise we have conflict.

[kenfo0]

@Uruk Wrong again. 1. Something "is" regardless of who, or how many, "believe" it is. 2. The 10 Commandments have remained remarkably unchanged. The 1st includes "you shall have no other god BEFORE ME".It could be there are other gods, and God is saying, "they are lesser, I am the Creator". Therefore zeus could exist in some odd way, yet not be our Creator, and not to be worshipped. Atheism is invalid if it doesn't proclaim that Christianity is valid. You said it, not me.

[UrukEngineer]

@kenfo0 "Atheism is invalid if it doesn't proclaim that Christianity is valid" - LOL

I suggest you use Wiki to read up on the definition of Atheism.

I am glad that you have found the part where Yahweh recognises that there are other gods. Christianity is based on an old Polytheistic cult.

If you really want to shoot me down, check out my sources and understand my argument.  Know your enemy as they say. Look up the videos on Evid3nc3's channel. I have a link on mine

[mahoganyrush300]

@UrukEngineer Christianity is built on the pauline gospel that taught that Jesus was the fullfilment of the jewish escatology. I studied the history for myself not the opinions of so called experts.

[UrukEngineer]

@mahoganyrush300 Absolutely, the details that were added, over time, to the Jesus-story do indeed point to a smoking gun of Jewish eschatology i.e. the Messiah saving the Jews at the end of days (e.g. hence the need for lineage from David etc)

The whole christian edifice is built upon sand (Matthew 7:26)

[mahoganyrush300]

@UrukEngineer Much of what is being called christianity today. Would have been looked upon as heretical to the early church. When I did my historical study on the early church, they had different views on the same things defined in different ways. They believe for instance in the trinity but did not define it as we do today. Communion had a different meaning to them as did baptism and other things. The practices of many modern churches would have been anathema to them.

[OttawaReformer]

Piper is hilarious at the 1 :55 mark

[Melchior40]

This man knows shit about God. He is deluded. God will have mercy on him because he is such a retard.

[loveryplease]

@Melchior40 Why would God have mercy on him if he is a retard? He speaks from the bible, and his theology and lifestyle is from what the bible states... So basically, your calling the bible retarded and deluded, which a unchristian would believe. But, I used to believe that, so i may understand how you live. May God have mercy on your soul as he had for me.

[Melchior40]

@loveryplease I did call him and his literal foolish interpretation of the Bible retarded, not the Bible itself. Preach only what you experienced yourself. Everything else is shit.

[elderaps]

@Melchior40 What if he experienced what the Bible literally says? Should he preach that?

[BrianJ1962]

@elderaps

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen." Matt 6:5-6

The bit you refer to is Vs 1 - referring to "acts of righteousness" (or 'charity')...

It was those who came after that formed "Christianity" - Jesus himself spoke of Jewish law.

[Melchior40]

@elderaps Yes, of course, but he hasn't.

[BrianJ1962]

Can I point out that "Coming to God through Jesus" does not, necessarily mean "Coming to God through Christianity"...

I'll explain why (before you all jump me I believe the validity of Jesus' message):

Jesus' words and his teachings are one thing. The highly manipulated, dogmatic 'mind control' of organised religion and its politically-motivated leaders is another.

Jesus even warns us of this and that our relationship with god should be kept private in Matthew 6 as prelude to the Lords Prayer.

[elderaps]

@BrianJ1962 Matthew 6 doesn't say to keep your relationship with God private - only to avoid praying publically for attention. You forget that the Bible commands Christians to meet together, to devote themselves to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching, to evangelization locally and globally. 1 & 2 Timothy talk about how things ought to be structured in the local church - in other words, there is Biblically prescripted organization to Christianity.

[BrianJ1962]

@elderaps

That's your interpretation - mine is just as valid & has support elsewhere in scripture.

I also draw a distinction between Jesus' actual words (as relayed through the gospels) and those of Paul (who never knew Jesus personally) & other followers - because, by definition, these are interpretations of his word. The 1st, perhaps, but interpretations nonetheless.

The majority of "prescribed organisation" comes from these followers in the century after his death; as with the Nicean 'edits'.

[JewishResearchGuy]

An intermediary requirement between man and God went back at least to the time of plato, who taught the expanse between man and God was so great, man required an intermediary to fill the gap. That may be acceptable for paganism, but it doesn't align with the Tanakh, and anyone who thinks it does is looking at it with christian/pagan bias. Sad sad. Hopefully you will all open your eyes one day and see with them, and open your ears and hear with them. :-(

[JewishResearchGuy]

John Piper has such passion, it's just too bad it's applied towards paganism like all the other spiritual leaders throughout history. Boy if He could just see that Yehovah (YHVH) is so against human sacrifice, and also that when you don't try to ignore or twist around the "prophecies" / requirements for the mashiach that is to come in the latter days, that all the claims in the christian testament are bologna.

[max2right]

There no evidence that gods exist. It's all a myth

[wellsbranchdude]

This god stuff and his son is totally true!!!

Honest !

[Chibithy]

Seriously, is this Piper guy a comedian?!

[oballazplaya2]

By repentance and faith according to His precepts.

Our repentance prayers don't even save us. He does. He reveals Himself to whom He will. He will have mercy and grace on whom He will.

[zephyr1827]

Did Jesus come to save us from his angry dad? Or did God the Father not love us as much as Jesus? Do they not have the same heart and love for us? I thought that was what John 3:16 meant when it said that God so loved the world. In Hebrews, Christ is the exact representation of the Father? I think the Father is much safer and loving than John P. is portraying here.

[nasipadang]

"Before Abraham was, I AM."

[woodowl003]

@nasipadang amen

[renovatio1988]

torresut simply stating your opinions doesn't create an argument. peace.

[buzzkilla12]

the artifacts were divers in origin but one of the main ones was the spear tip that killed Christ. so he must have believed in Christ. so he must have been a christian.

[whtjdwo]

your actions reflect your faith.

If he was a TRUE christian, he would not have believed that the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD should be wiped off the planet.

[buzzkilla12]

if you believe in a god you are a danger to the human race. Atheism is the next step in our evolution. imagine what could be accomplished if we leave the bronze age behind.

[winterphone]

if thats true the next step in evolution is mass genocide and a world without morals and love, thats something you have to talkto hitler, stalin, etc about. they were much more zealous than you but were on the same page.

[bluetube01]

Thank you for talking sense, winterphone. You are going sane in a crazy world :) I can;t say the same for buzz lightyear.

[buzzkilla12]

hitler was a christian. he killed the jews for jesus don't try to say he was atheist. hitler even tried to collect christian artifacts.

[AvidEngo1]

This is a bullshit lie. You obviously don't know your history. Hitler claimed to be a Catholic (which is the apostate church) AND also dabbled into the occult. This is fact. Therefore he WASNT a true Christian. "Thou shalt have no gods before me." Stop speaking filth it makes you look really stupid.

[max2right]

@AvidEngo1 Google the no true Scotsman fallacy. Y.ou are the one that looks stupid. 

[AvidEngo1]

@max2right Just because this logical fallacy exists, doesn't mean that I've committed it. Lets be honest here. So… no, I don't look stupid. You look biased though. ;)

[AvidEngo1]

@max2right Of course I understand. I don't think you are wrapping your mind around the logic correctly though. Yes the fallacy exists, but I haven't committed it. See, Christians are many things, but occultists they aren't. You can't be an occultist and be a true Christian because the "Christian" is not to be dabbling into occultism! Its like if I were to say I was a vegan, but I eat cheese pizza. So I understand the fallacy you've stated, but you're incorrect in saying that I've committed it.

[max2right]

@AvidEngo1 Denial and saying the rules of logic don't apply to you is unhealthy for the mind.

[max2right]

@max2right And yes i certainly am biased. The abrahamic religious death cults are evil and dangerous. They seek the political power to indoctrinate school children with cult dogma and to legislate that dogma in law thus forcing it onto us all. Followers of these cults look forward to the apocalyptic destruction of the planet as a means of visiting an imaginare god in an imaginary paradise. that's insanity and a danger to us all.

[AvidEngo1]

@max2right With earnest sincerity, I write this; your impression of the true Church of God has been skewed by Satan and I implore you to shed all your own desires and replace them with the creator of the universe's and YOU WILL BE BLESSED!

[max2right]

@AvidEngo1 Offer any independent evidence you have that gods or a satin exists. The true god? Which one of the thousands would that be. All cult followers believe their god is the true one and all others don't exist. There is no more evidence that the god you've chosen exists than there is for thor, ra or any of the others. I implore you to overcome the brain washing you were subjected to and think for yourself.

[bluetube01]

buzzkilla, sorry to say but you are a deluded mindslave of the humanist machine. You were pumped through the government run education system and taught what to think but not how to think. Your idiotic evolutionary indoctrination is what is dangerous. Learn your history. Nazi Germany, Mao Tzetung, Stalin. They spouted the same crap you are and millions of people are dead. Belief in God is not dangerous. Mankind is dangerous, especially their self-serving, humanistic philosophies.

[buzzkilla12]

humanist machine? the man is the machine the people are his enemys. the school system is not to blame for my atheism if thats what your saying. Mankind's belief in god is whats dangerous. through out history it has been a huge cause of conflict and blood shed. nun of you truly believe. if you are intelligent you know your turning off your brain at church. How many of you sit in the pew and just pretend to believe. i beat allot more of you are non believers then you are willing to admit.

[oceanburank]

jǝsus is the biggest criminal of history .

[bluetube01]

LOL. What a joke. He didn't break a single law in his life, LOL.

[oceanburank]

educate your self

[torresut]

So God has an anger issue and has to trick himself through Jesus. Mmm, I rather be incinerated.

[sixinchvoice]

no. God has a love for righteousness and justice "issue." and we all have trampled his beauty and worth down under our rebellion against him. The death of Christ was God's satisfying his totally merited wrath against sin or all who would recieve and embrace Jesus as their substitute. he lived in obedience for me. he bore my wrath and death. he rose and lives as my righteousness and mediator. (rom. 3/21-26) this is good news for you! receive him by faith. in the name of Jesus.

[torresut]

The god of the bible is rather a terrorist of the worst kind. Just think about the flood story. First in Gen. 1-3 he repeatedly said that everything was good, in gen. 6 like a bratty child says, no, no, all is evil. Oh, come on, what did the snail did? That bratty god saw everything as evil, just like a bratty bastard. Then, of all the ways to kill, he chose to drawn everything slowly. He is SADIST of the worst kind. The only book I need to become an atheist is the bible.

[vasiliosrigos]

no.If you followed His commandments you might receive His wisdom,for our widom comes from His laws. Do you know G-ds ten commandments ?If you lived your life following these laws you would have received the full armor of G-d , the devil can not touch. Trust me from personal experience Gods power is awesome and much more powerful thn the devil. The devil knows this and that is why He will use all of it against you.He does not want you know G-d

a hunmble slave to the Lord Jesus

[torresut]

"No. If you follow his commandments." That's exactly what a terrorist would say. I'm not a terrorist if you follow my commandments or orders. If you don't, I will chop your head off.  Wow, very impressive. At least with a terrorist, once your head is off, you're done. With the CELESTIAL terrorist, there is no end because the sinner will be tortured forever and ever, and ever. That's a long time! This revenge thirsty god will never be a peaced. Besides being a terrorist he is also a sick SADIST.

[Piros1987]

Everything was good before sin entered the world. He is the creator ! He knows what will become of you before you were born and determines when your life will end. Because of sin all creatures and nature had affected. He has the right to give life and take it away. Jesus did die for all but only those who believe in Him and repents gets eternal life. You are now out of the question. Knowing God for so long and left ? Unless God pity you, you are condemn like the rest of the unbelieving world.

[vasiliosrigos]

Man chose to be the terrorist when after being warned ,not to eat from the tree of life ,Eve went ahead anyway,therefore causing the death of man.G-d always gives do warning in any trial or tribulatin,for He is a G-d of love.

[torresut]

So eating from a fruit from the tree of life gives god permission to torture forever and ever, and ever. What kind of callous person are you? You don't see anything wrong with that picture? That is what is wrong with religion. It's followers become callous just like the god they have created for themselves. If you have a child and you warned him about certain rule, you would then torture your child, maybe burn his hands. Would you do that? Well, your god does barbaric things. Worship it? mm, sad

[bluetube01]

You don't understand the message of the Bible or the nature of God. You, as a created, finite being, cannot judge and infinite, perfect creator. The issue isn't eating fruit. The issue is rebelling against God and desiring to become our own gods. Any sin against an infinitely holy God is infinitely wicked. But the sin of eating the "forbidden fruit" was not a minor sin anyway. Mankind, in that instant, asked to be separated from God. God granted man's wish. Now we bear the consequences.

[torresut]

I think that we have the ability to make moral judgments, whether those judgments be judging the actions of Zeus, Allah, or Jehovah. As you read the bible you'll discover that Jehovah is the most despicable character in the bible. He is petty, jealous, short tempter, insecure, and with some serious temper issues. Side by side with Hitler, I stick with Hitler, since any punishment with Hitler is just momentary, but with this monster of the bible, it's forever. Peace.

[CBALLEN]

God CHOSE His people before time,not on the foreknowledge that they would accept Him,but through His soveriegn WILL.This includes Old testement and New testament SAINTS.

[vasiliosrigos]

..... in the name of the Lord Jesus Amen

[JSamShaw]

"You don't have to say it, but you better think it! And if you're thinking it—wouldn't hurt to say it...it's massively important that we come in Christ alone to ask the Father for favor. We won't get it any other way."

Man, I wonder how those poor Old Testament people got by...

[psk6565]

Believing in the Messiah. They understood it was through believing in the promise of the Messiah that they could come to God.

[Sogforever]

Amen, God never changes. He saved in the OT the same way He saves in the NT, by faith.

[YoungBoss08Major]

have you read the old testament

[Maxandrea]

biblically they were looking forward to the mesiah, as we in this generation are looking backwards, since it is tru faith in Jesus that we are save, same as the old testament people didnt meet Jesus but they looked forward to him and believed God will fulfil his promise tru him, we also have not met him... and yet we have faith in our God...

[trinislobo]

This is true, simply read the bible and you will see! Check what happened to men in the old testement who played the fool when entering the Holy of Holies. A rope was tied around a priests waist when he entered there, if he was playing the fool in the the slightest way he would in incinerated and they would have to pull him out. Thank God for Jesus! people take this position we have in Christ for granted... but men in the OT have died for the slightest error when approaching the holy of holies.

[wurstwasser72]

Certainly it is of serious matter to believe in Jesus as God's Son, but God is never dangerous to whom is loving him and the other way around. You have to accept Jesus, his ransom sacrifice, you have to thank God for this gift..

The talk is kind of crazy, it is not emphasising how lovingly God is acting..but the complete converse. His line of thought is too ramified.

[EMTRUE]

Crazy talk.

[kinodikin]

less fear, more love,

less presumption of God's thoughts,

more love for those not worthy of love,

if the best worldly father forgives his son, no matter what transgressions, how much more God our Father understands us, and loves us. Brother Piper needs to follow the actions of Jesus, and less of the actions of the followers of Jesus.

God loves us all, without exception!

[InHISWord2]

Truth!

[xChAn3lx]

ilikezappa,

God the father is an all consuming fire and what John is speakin about is true... we are unholy... very unholy and we cannot go to the father but thru Jesus because when we enter the presence of God thru Jesus he sees the righeousness of Jesus and deems us worthy

Why did u think the high priests in the old testament only went to the holy of holies once?? and with that they had to repent of all sin?? it was because they were unholy... God and sin dont mix

[thepsalmist348]

Yeah Glory to God this video was awesome!!!!!!!

[ilikezappa]

Yeah , he is a good speaker , even though everything he says is false and has no evidence to support it . Our God is the only one that`s real , all them other ones are just primitive superstition ! trust me ! I never studied science ,but I am a priest! What bollocks

[JDMeiser]

What? Lol

[christiangirl4Christ]

amen! Glory to Jesus

[Patternpop]

As a Jew...

I can tell you

God is scary without Jesus.

Thank God for his son.

[torresut]

That's exactly why you need to run away as fast as you can from that bastard prick.

[Patternpop]

G-d bless you.

Even the book of lamentations has blessing in it. God means to get you to see who you are then bring you to Him.

[jadams1972]

awesome

[vasiliosrigos]

It so sad that many people today are being told there are others ways to God besides Jesus. False teachers, relgious folk, oprah,all deceiving people away from God. The Bible is clear Jesus says 'The only way to my Father is through Me,Jesus.God give them the wisdom to realize this.

love peace wisdom faith

a servant

[torresut]

WHAT'S WRONG with you people, so hung up with a book of fiction! If you read carefully the bible, you'll discover that the main character is a selfish, capricious bastard. Now the issue of Jesus, what kind of god will kill his own son and require blood to forgive. Gosh, that is so primitive. You guys really don't make any use of your ability to think and discern fact from fiction. Your 3th grade teacher has done a pretty bad job teaching you that. Peace.

[vasiliosrigos]

You know your missing something, you just refuse to believe it .Your choice. You ever read Revelation, written thousands of years ago, well it is happening now.

G-d bless and may you find Jesus before it is to late. Tic Toc Tic Toc

[torresut]

Interpretation of the book of revelation, as you may know, change from denomination to denomination. Which one is the right one? The Catholic, the Pentecostal, yours? Revelation is not a book of predictions as you wrongly have come to believe. This same book was used to support the claim, for example, that Hitler was the anti-Christ. The book has been used and abused. Now, having said this, and assuming the book is god's inspired and your interpretation is the right one, just think about its

[torresut]

. . . content. The one that revealed the content of the book is god, right? The one that planned the whole scheme is god, right? The content of revelation would not be even in the most demonic mind. YET, it is in the mind of the Lord. In revelation God is the chief TERRORIST deriving pleasure from torturing his creation. Satan is just his pawn. He cannot compete with an almighty god. Has it occurred to you that the whole thing might be FICTION. That's what it is, fiction.

[torresut]

Just for your information, to let you know that you're not talking to a newbie. I was in the church for over 30 years, 15 years as pastor, 6 years as missionary, and the rest in all kinds of ministries. I left the church when finally I realize that whole thing is a BIG lie. You don't see it different because you have not learned to distinguish between fact and FICTION. The holy bible is fiction, from Genesis to Revelation. "God is dangerous" should be a clue for the wise to realize it's fiction.

[garrickbrim]

You can study doctrine and still not know the Truth

[torresut]

Exactly! The church doctrine is built on fiction. So you can know doctrine, that is, understand what the church teaches, however, not realize that what they are teaching you is fiction, NOT truth. It's very perceptive on your part to have come to realize this much. Good luck friend.

[bluetube01]

So you were a hypocrite? You just lied to yourself and everyone while you were a pastor and missionary? That is revealing about your motivation and character, perhaps, but nothing more. I was raised agnostic and encountered God later. I know the truth, and every area of science, sociology, psychology, archaeology, and every other field, simply confirms the Bible's teachings on history and the universe. You, my friend, are blind. Seek the truth in earnest and don't be so sure of yourself.

[torresut]

Hypocrite? I don't think so, just naive, and brain-washed like yourself. See,, even all you say about sociology, psychology, archeology shows that you convinced yourself to believe a lie. Are you a hypocrite? I don't think so, you're just deceived. You might be sincere, but you're sincerely wrong. Psychology, for example, just disproves that human consciousness is but a phenomenon of the brain. And as far as the god of the bible, I can confidently say that he or it is but a monster prick. Peace

[bluetube01]

The fact that you were in the church for so long and still don't understand the Bible's message is telling. And in that sense you are a newbie. Time spent in church is meaningless. You didn't realize Christianity was a lie; you bought into the lie of millions of years and evolution, and that led you to reject the Bible.

[Devaprakash777]

@vasiliosrigos -and the bible is a lie.

[Sanctum85]

Amen

[AvshalomTube]

Profound

[Patternpop]

May Hashem bless you

in Yeshua's

name amen.