to quote a much better known band from the same era:"Freedom *from* choice is what you want". Folks, look at the context.. It's 1981, four years after the Sex Pistols released Anarchy in the UK and you're surrounded by punk bands espousing "anarchy" with Circle-A symbols plastered everywhere, what could be more punk than rejecting anarchy? (or the by-then mindless definition of it). It's reactionary *and* it's poetic. As close as they ever came to addressing the "scene", albeit in an obtuse way
I bought this album based on the song A HUMAN CERTAINTY that i discovered on THE BLASTING CONCEPT compliation album years ago. These guys were WAY before thier time in my opinion! Very artistic, philosopical band. What ever became of them?
@mrfilmnoir68 They're still active! Their style has changed a lot though, so don't expect the same sound. And yeah, this record is great. It's artistic punk WITHOUT losing the level of agression. I love it
btw @fakeis751 , just putting the last part of what i wrote is a bit confusing ... as it is saying more about the self-critic than the main theme ... but no harm done , nobody listen to that anyway ( speaking of wich , thanks for posting that song ... as you said , it should be played more often , specially nowdays ...)
i agree , it's a punk song isen't it ? but what i meant is that it isen't just partisan's talk , it contains self-critiscism ... there also that bit "we don't need actors , rockstars" , as for media(ie rulers) there suppose to represent freedom .... thats a lie still in use, representation of freedom is no freedom ... they act , fake freedom, and live the ideal representation so you don't need to live it yourself ... (but thats a guy sitting behind his screen telling you that , haha)
"i think he's expressing the point of view of a cynical ruler", yes, but as criticism of such rulers like those who control the country. could be interpreted partly as a criticism of anarchists, but saying "we only want farmers and soldiers" i can see that as something someone who may limit freedom (i.e. oppressive ruler) would say due to anarchists' view of freedom usually being pacifistic. its more of a criticism of people who wish for no freedom than those who wish for complete freedom, IMO
it is a way to sum up arguments made by the ruling class against anarchy and self-managed societies.
it might also address to anarchists (or so-called anarchists) , warning them that to have a free society with no written laws or rules , it will take self discipline , care and respect ...thats not just chaos and dog eat dog ...
real freedom is a complex thing .... if youre not up to it , you might be happier as a slave.
i think he's expressing the point of view of a cynical ruler of our society, telling us we are too stupid to deserve freedom , that without his rules we would behave like animals and hurt ourselves and be enslaved by our instincs
"Freedom is what ruined your brain
With creativity drugs and pain
Freedom is what let you run wild
Explain freedom to your fatherless child"
so were better off being slaves , with a bit of comfort , food and security "All we'll want is farmers and soldiers"
Just my interpretation here, rachelle464, is that the song writer took a look at the freedom our society enjoys presently, and that we may not be doing the best job we can with that freedom. The one possible outcome is a future where we enjoy none of these freedoms and either have it taken from us, or we agree to give it up. A warning actually? Again, just my opinion. But it's one of my favorite songs based solely on the music arrangements alone.
@rachelle464 Well, though some parts seem ironic, some also seem quite serious... but i'm pretty sure the song's not sending a message about christianity.
to quote a much better known band from the same era:"Freedom *from* choice is what you want". Folks, look at the context.. It's 1981, four years after the Sex Pistols released Anarchy in the UK and you're surrounded by punk bands espousing "anarchy" with Circle-A symbols plastered everywhere, what could be more punk than rejecting anarchy? (or the by-then mindless definition of it). It's reactionary *and* it's poetic. As close as they ever came to addressing the "scene", albeit in an obtuse way
cubistblues 2 months ago
I bought this album based on the song A HUMAN CERTAINTY that i discovered on THE BLASTING CONCEPT compliation album years ago. These guys were WAY before thier time in my opinion! Very artistic, philosopical band. What ever became of them?
mrfilmnoir68 5 months ago
@mrfilmnoir68 They're still active! Their style has changed a lot though, so don't expect the same sound. And yeah, this record is great. It's artistic punk WITHOUT losing the level of agression. I love it
fakeis751 5 months ago
btw @fakeis751 , just putting the last part of what i wrote is a bit confusing ... as it is saying more about the self-critic than the main theme ... but no harm done , nobody listen to that anyway ( speaking of wich , thanks for posting that song ... as you said , it should be played more often , specially nowdays ...)
idontwantfreedom 6 months ago
i agree , it's a punk song isen't it ? but what i meant is that it isen't just partisan's talk , it contains self-critiscism ... there also that bit "we don't need actors , rockstars" , as for media(ie rulers) there suppose to represent freedom .... thats a lie still in use, representation of freedom is no freedom ... they act , fake freedom, and live the ideal representation so you don't need to live it yourself ... (but thats a guy sitting behind his screen telling you that , haha)
idontwantfreedom 6 months ago
"i think he's expressing the point of view of a cynical ruler", yes, but as criticism of such rulers like those who control the country. could be interpreted partly as a criticism of anarchists, but saying "we only want farmers and soldiers" i can see that as something someone who may limit freedom (i.e. oppressive ruler) would say due to anarchists' view of freedom usually being pacifistic. its more of a criticism of people who wish for no freedom than those who wish for complete freedom, IMO
DilbertHernandez 8 months ago
it is a way to sum up arguments made by the ruling class against anarchy and self-managed societies.
it might also address to anarchists (or so-called anarchists) , warning them that to have a free society with no written laws or rules , it will take self discipline , care and respect ...thats not just chaos and dog eat dog ...
real freedom is a complex thing .... if youre not up to it , you might be happier as a slave.
idontwantfreedom 9 months ago 2
@idontwantfreedom I figured out it'd be about something like that. This song should be played to so many people these days.
fakeis751 9 months ago
@idontwantfreedom finally someone who knows what thier talking about ,thank you....cheers from canada...(A)///(E)
804safety 6 months ago
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@804safety well ... what you don't know is that i am under treatment in a mental hospital ... food for thaughts right ? (bleak future)
idontwantfreedom 5 months ago
i think he's expressing the point of view of a cynical ruler of our society, telling us we are too stupid to deserve freedom , that without his rules we would behave like animals and hurt ourselves and be enslaved by our instincs
"Freedom is what ruined your brain
With creativity drugs and pain
Freedom is what let you run wild
Explain freedom to your fatherless child"
so were better off being slaves , with a bit of comfort , food and security "All we'll want is farmers and soldiers"
idontwantfreedom 9 months ago
Just my interpretation here, rachelle464, is that the song writer took a look at the freedom our society enjoys presently, and that we may not be doing the best job we can with that freedom. The one possible outcome is a future where we enjoy none of these freedoms and either have it taken from us, or we agree to give it up. A warning actually? Again, just my opinion. But it's one of my favorite songs based solely on the music arrangements alone.
5050NM 11 months ago
Thanks for these posts Brah.
thegoatnazi 1 year ago
@thegoatnazi Yer welcome, dude.
fakeis751 1 year ago
Is this song being ironic and sending a message about Christianity or preaching against free will?
rachelle464 1 year ago
@rachelle464 Well, though some parts seem ironic, some also seem quite serious... but i'm pretty sure the song's not sending a message about christianity.
fakeis751 1 year ago