Joanna Lumley and the Gurkhas' Blade - Friday Night With Jonathan Ross - BBC One

[cloudbusterman]

The Magna Carta Clause 51 calls for all foreign knights and mercenaries to leave the realm. And that would include the Gurkhas. Ooops.

[18bidu]

motherfucker think its funny...punk ass bitch

[tunghonglimbu]

@18bidu wtf nagen?? lol 

[Suckto1]

Jonathan Ross are u fucking mentally retarded just cuz u have gun u dont go killing people do u. Fucking tawt just as some1 said educated man with pussy mind or simple he got no comonsence

[ROCKSOLID19]

@Suckto1 The cunt will shit himself if he saw action in Afghanistan. 

[Suckto1]

@Kampfer1445 u must be 1 of those BMW racist political parties suppoters dont just see what Britian have gave Gurkhas see what Gurkha have gave to britian u fucking ignorent cunt u dont even know bit of History behind Gurkhas and tallk yor chatty mouth in old Time They were forced to be Gurkhas just to fight for u and save your country from other countries like in falkland war and world war 2 u dont even know a shit about it and u act as if u know eveything if not for Gurkhas U wud not be Here.

[diliprai]

@Suckto1 yes of course i have respect for gurkhas religion. gurkha are either buddhist(Buddhism) or kiratist(Kiratism). so you and other viewers may wonder what is Kiratism?

well Kiratism is a prayer of mother earth and nature. In short this religion is animistic in nature just like native Americans in USA.

watch this video --> KIRATISM: Prayer of Earth And Nature

and you have better understanding of most ancient religion.

[TheFord323]

Jonathan its 21st century are u still asking this kinda ??in history its true has to taste blood before u return it now its 21st century i feel like u are educated stupid man in the world asking this kinda ?the blade help ur country and fought many war ..and u are insulting it have some respect ...its not fooling around my dear you can try to any gurkha they still can do ... blood makes our blade more strong and brave living in this present world history is like a lie .....

[MrStewart149]

nice to see the Gurkha mercenary's being given so much air time by the b b c

[latescarface21]

@kampfer1445 40 or 45 is not so old u still can do many things but when 60 to above, their wound during gurkha war or training make them sick at that time...but still uk said they had no strong documents to be in uk...hahahaha they treat them like illegal immigrants...well bro, to be gurkha, for some one might be for money but for many its still pride to society at NEPAL...well but this issuing pass is making nepal empty...thats what i hate!!!

[latescarface21]

@kampfer1445 i dont know but u are right,am nepalese too but u are correct. my family members were also in gurkha but they didnt claim for uk residence...i dont know why others are. my, ex-gurkha, when they start thinking about money more than pride, they are no longer warrior...lol but that old man is correct...but my complain is though they fight along side with you, why they dont care abt gurkhas at the old age...i mean at too old...am i making clear??? coz u retire at 40 or 45(cont)

[buzzYNWA]

Kampfer 1445: I am a Nepali and No, we don't join British Army just for Money, there's a history, culture and a legend to it .

[0sujan]

though nepal is poor and small. though we have no new weapons and all those things. but we nepali(gorkhali) are so brave and strong that we are still capable to fight with our khukuri. Because we dont fight with our mind we fight with our lions' heart.

[Kampfer1445]

Thus while I would be delighted to allow retired Gurkhas to receive very special consideration when applying to live in the UK, it must not be automatic; the problem I have is the entitlement aspect, not the fact of their being able to live in the UK. My argument is not one of denying Gurkhas entry, but of the necessity of maintaining the Brigade of Gurkhas as an elite and exceptionally motivated fighting outfit. Spongers aren't exceptionally motivated warriors so I reject the entitlement logic.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 @Kampfer1445 ... do you know why the Nepalese youth join the Gurkhas? they don't join to save the Queen, due to their admiration of Britain but to feed their families and build a better future for them. Saving the Queen and Britain is secondary. this does not mean that when they are in the army, they do not give their best for the welfare of britain.

[Kampfer1445]

You don't know the Gurkhas or their history very well; their loyalty and regard for the British monarch is absolute and is a legacy of the Raj. They join out of a desire to participate in a historic and glorious military tradition. And yes they join to send money home and help their families, but for you to imply that that is their only motivation is a grave slur on those warriors. Also if hypothetically what you said was true that would be much less reason to give them residency.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 have you been to nepal and have you spent time with the Gurkhas and their families? do that first and start talking.

[Kampfer1445]

@reality480 Perhaps you ought to learn something about the Gurkhas and military matters in general before you continue to run your mouth.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 i disagree with your argument about Gurkha Spongers and the situation in Nepal being wholesome. Its not easy to become a Gurkha and the competition is FIERCE. look from their perspective, any person would want their family to be in a place that is relatively peaceful that the place they are actually at . Do some SERIOUS research about Nepal and if its possible try going there during your winter break. Reality is way different

[Kampfer1445]

You obviously have a) no comprehension of military reality and b) difficulty reading. No one said that the situation in Nepal was 'wholesome', I said that that is the reality of the Third World in general and Nepal in particular; that is their homeland. That is no moral imperative for Britain to import the population of Nepal. I did not say that the Gurkhas were spongers, I said that if you recruit men on the basis of giving them benefits you will get the wrong sort.

[Kampfer1445]

They remain Nepalese citizens and most return home to their country, which their pay helps to support. As I said previously I have no objection to most or all Gurkha veterans being allowed to live in the UK, whether they served before or after 1947; my point is that it is not an entitlement. If entry to the British Army is seen as simply a conduit for immigration then we will get soldiers joining for the wrong reasons, which would undermine the caliber of the British Army's enlisted men. (contd)

[Kampfer1445]

Those Gurkhas who fought in the World Wars fought for the British Empire, certainly, but not in the British Army, which was a separate army. Nowhere have native colonial troops been entitled to live in the mother country after their service. Thus only Gurkha troops who have served since 1947 should have any potential entitlement to live in Britain. Nevertheless the Brigade of Gurkhas is not a foreign legion, and the Gurkhas join to fight for the Queen, not for a passport. (contd.)

[Kampfer1445]

You obviously know as little about the history of British India as you do about the Gurkhas. India was a separate entity of the British Empire, with a separate army, administration and government (although of course ruled by whites, it was nevertheless a separate administration, as was Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand). There were no Gurkha units in the British Army prior to 1947. The British Indian Army split in 1947 to become the Indian and Pakistani Armies. (contd.)

[leemeires]

once its out they mean bissness ? lol god bless the gurkhas for fighting for are queen and country

[jesoby]

she's as posh as the British Gurkha officers

[ShaggerMuffin]

Is the full interview on Youtube?

[trigga1uk]

Any person who is proud to be british and respect this nation will in turn respect the gurkhas.

[TheFord323]

thats true and dont make fun of it dont u think u are not respecting the people who save ur queen and ur people in return what they have have nothing ....///// everywhere british but who were the real british at the time ???british is the one who had a guns and everything and nepal got nothing at that time but still fight back and british is the one who asked the gurkhas to join with them and use them as scapegoat

[harryforu11]

what grave injustice to a people who served the british army , fought when the british queen slept in peace and then pay them less and then give them a one way ticket back to the shithole.

The british flag says it all ----- 'DOUBLE CROSSERS'

[trigga1uk]

@harryforu11 well im not sure the gurkhas lads would like to hear their nation refered to as 'the shithole'.

[diliprai]

Nepal need to annex UK.

Fcuking disgusting British who did not even bother to return back Nepal 2/3 land after it gave Independence to India and left for good.

Jai Nepal

[willobi]

god bless the gurkhas.

[Kampfer1445]

The Gurkhas know the conditions when they join up. They are following in a proud military tradition, they are not joining for the benefits. Past service in the British Army should be a major bonus on someone's application for British residency or citizenship, but it should never be automatic. The Brigade of Gurkhas has always been and must always be an elite unit; not simply a bridge for Nepalese immigration. That would simply undermine everything that has made the Brigade of Gurkhas great.

[Kampfer1445]

This issue is typical of popular reaction to an issue; for a long time ignorance, then an emotional overreaction. The Gurkhas are brilliant warriors, volunteer soldiers following a proud two hundred year tradition of the British Indian Army. To deny any Gurkha veteran with medical problems residency and treatment in the UK is simply immoral. However the Brigade of Gurkhas is not a foreign legion, it should not be an automatic route to a British passport.

[bakerj02]

I disagree. It should be a right of the gurkha, to have once served the UK, to be offered a passport which he can then take or refuse. Let the choice be theirs. To deny these men the very rights and freedoms they protect for a non-sovereign country is an insult to me as a UK citizen and to them as honourable soliders. The bureaucracy and red tape that is called to defend such an injustice is simply not the British way. It is the way of petty, successive governments and civil servant clap trap.

[Kampfer1445]

I see where you are coming from, but that would simply erode the professionalism of the British Army. Like the French Foreign Legion, it would then be simply a route to an EU passport for many migrants. I don't believe that a single 3 year stint should be sufficient to entitle one to a passport, it would want to be a significant amount of service. A problem is that it can't just apply to the Gurkhas, such a measure would have to apply to all foreigners trying to join the British Army.

[bakerj02]

However not just any foreigner can join the British Army so I feel that makes your point redundant and as far as I know there are no other regiment in the British Army that is made up of foreign nationals and there are certainly no plans to do so.

These people over 100s of years have made the ultimate sacrifice - not only their lives but the hearts of their families and the souls of their ancestors. That they still do this is what the Americans call 'the right stuff' and it should be rewarded

[Kampfer1445]

Not so. Anyone from any British Commonwealth country and Ireland can join the British Army, which amounts to a lot of potential foreign immigrants. Long and distinguished service should be rewarded, not simply signing up. That leads to the danger of having Britain's fighting done by foreigners. Citizens of the British Commonwealth can join any Regiment or Corps of the British Army, so the issue stands. The British Army must not be reduced to a fast-track for citizenship.

[bakerj02]

Which is why I said 'not JUST any foreigner'..please do read the replies. However I would most definitely support a British Passport for those people who have served in our military regardless of birth nationalilty

[Kampfer1445]

As do I. But it should never be automatic. There is a difference between soldiers who give honorable and distinguished service receiving a passport and a passport being a recruiting incentive, which is what it would become.

[bakerj02]

I doubt if it was automatic on completion of service that it would be abused. let's say for instance that an Australian served then I suspect he wouldn't to give up his nationality anyway just to get a British passport.

[Kampfer1445]

True but again I am thinking more of the Indian sub-continent and parts of Africa as a potential source of mercenary applicants.

[reality480]

Now when their country is in trouble and they want to go to a place where they can provide a stable environment for their family. Go and learn about what is happening in Nepal at present

[Kampfer1445]

Nepal is not in any particular trouble now. It is also their native country! I don't have any problem with the Gurkhas but my point is that having the Brigade of Gurkhas or any other part of the British Army as a guaranteed ticket to UK residency will see lots of foreigners joining the army for the wrong reasons and undermine the caliber of its recruits; the point being that you can't have special residency rules for Gurkhas, it is all or nothing with foreigners in the army.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 ... Nepal is not in any particular trouble now! Seriously dude??? go and do some research. Nepal doesn't even have a written constitution! its pretty much lawless. abductions and kidnapping for ransom are on the rise along with theft, violence and the emergence of gangs. talking about the political situation, it does not even have a prime minister right now. the seat is vacant and a tug of war is taking place between political parties

[Kampfer1445]

As I said Nepal is in no particular trouble; neither its lawlessness or poverty is any different to any previous period. Maoist insurgency etc. has been there for decades.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 And people like you try to create barriers. Despicable. Remember that your country is where it is because of the sacrifices made by people like them. a 100 billion pounds in AID to Nepal and the Gurkhas can not even cover the debt that you own them. more than 50000 gurkhas gave up their lives fighting for you during the two world wars. imagine their families.Open you heart and be generous like them. What they are asking for is not a big deal. Jesus

[Kampfer1445]

I don't know what you are talking about; you are both incoherent and emotionalist. I would be perfectly happy if most or all of those who served in the Brigade of Gurkhas in the British Army were allowed to settle in Britain; my point is that it must not be automatic, like the French Foreign Legion. The Gurkhas are proud to serve in the British Army and fight out of loyalty to the Queen and adherence to a strong fighting tradition; not for welfare. That is a ridiculous view.

[bakerj02]

Most commonwealth citizens who choose to fight in the British Army is because A theirs doesn't offer the most of what they are looking for and B the British is widely accepted as being one of the best (if not the best) army around and so the chance to work and train in it is an opportunity. Ultimately the amount of non-uk passing selection for a regiment or the gurkhas would be minimal and so the passport's exclusiivity would remain intact

[Kampfer1445]

It's not a matter of numbers, its a matter of fighting spirit and morale. The numbers would probably be small. Nevertheless as I have said before the Gurkhas can not be given separate eligibility from the rest of the Army, so what applies to them would have to apply army wide, which may result in considerable numbers of people applying with less favorable motives than service.

[bakerj02]

I know it's not a matter of numbers I was just trying placate the issue which you raised regarding the flood of passports going out. Thankfully the Gurkhas have been give the privilege as they are neither commonwealth and are exclusively a foreign national unit so, as with many things in life, exceptions have to be made but that doesn't mean that people can't campaign for other non-commonwealth, exclusive non uk, regiments in our forces..just can't think of any.

[bakerj02]

What we also have to bear in mind is that the Gurkhas do really come from a subsistance farming background repleat with poverty and hardship - I think they deserve a break.

[reality480]

@Kampfer1445 @Kampfer1445 give us the Gurkhas. America and the American Army would be enriched by these people, their outlook on life and culture. We would gladly accommodate them and give them the respect they deserve. you seriously need to get your head straight. they have been your oldest allies, been with you for nearly 2 centuries, fought for you for low pay, never betrayed you or questioned your motive for waging wars

[Kampfer1445]

The Gurkhas have no interest in serving in the US military nor would the arrogant, culturally insensitive and over-bureaucratic US military be able to handle them; they know that the British Army is the best in the world. Their loyalty is to the Queen. The Gurkhas aren't Britain's oldest allies, the Portuguese are. Until 1947 Gurkhas were not part of the British Army but the Indian Army; that is no entitlement to UK residency.

[Kampfer1445]

The Gurkha tradition in the British Army is a warrior tradition, not a mercenary one. A free passport and free residency in the UK would simply make the army one more welfare organization. It mustn't be that way, and that is why I don't believe that short-serving Gurkhas, or anyone else should get an automatic passport; the army will simply be a route for sponging immigrants. Military service should certainly greatly help towards a passport application, but it must never be automatic.

[bakerj02]

I'm glad they won that very important batlle and for me if they came to this country in their 1000s I would be happy to pay extra taxes to accommodate or fund them. Too many times now the UK is the home of sponging, greedy, slimy people, all too ready to milk the system and cheat and lie to gain citizenship. Let's give it to the people who really deserve it.

[lopzilla]

Joanna Lumley, an excellent self publicist. Over 12,000 gurkhas and their families are heading this way, the majority penniless putting a tremendous strain on military charities. The devastating affect of this meddling will be a sad end to many Nepal communities and villages. Stupid Lumley.

[Jo7welder]

Brave men, but at the end of the day they are and were Volunteers in the British army just like many others. The Gurkha has always had a tradition of been proud and priviliged to serve with the British army ever since battalions were raised by the British after the Gurkha war 1814-16.

They have always proved their worth in battle, but they are very willing volunteers, not like some of the British army in the past who were conscripted and even more so unfairly treated after leaving the service.

[Asimagar]

By this video ...

I like to say

first It is "Khukuri" not blade as Joanna Lumleysaid .

and second ,

It is very sharp and cuts us .

So, it is said that it needs blood after taking it out to make us aware of it .

When i was small i also cut my hand with it .

[samholdsworth]

the best thing to happen for years is the gurkhas finally getting citezenship! they should of had it from the word go without questions they are just as british as me!

[grobo11]

The problem was, was that there were so many immigrants coming in that there was just no room. Glad that they have their citizenship now thoguh.

[radzroka]

hahaha bobzilla where did u get this ??

[duchessofyou]

bravo joanna, bravo gurkhas

[diliprai]

Now Gurkhas have got the UK citizenship, it's time to demand for "Greater Nepal".

British never gave back Nepal's territories when it left India. Nepal should be 3 times the present size.

[demondissector]

nepal doesn't need another civil war. and that's never going to happen. india give their land over...would any nation in this day and age??

[radzroka]

hahhha dherai nai mageko jasto bhayena ra dilip ??

[grobo11]

We can't give it back to you sorry. There are Indian residents now and you cannot just ask them to pack their bags and leave. It is unfair how we treated you and your country in the past however, we cannot do anything about it now. I fear that force may result in a short war which will end badly for both sides.

[JongeMatador]

Lol, love Ross's nervous laugh :) "Ahahahaha...shit they're going to slit my throat..."

[BlueStateDigitalUK]

Nice thought.

We would have alot less money to pay the BBC tv licence if they did.

[maheshgrg4]

i m proud to be gukhaliiiii

[bobzilla211]

"If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or he is a Gurkha"

[AnglOsAxOn2]

@bobzilla211 What a fantastic saying, thanks for posting that

[KOGR11]

@bobzilla211 Sham Manekshaw.

[proudwesterner2]

@bobzilla211 What about suicide bombers?

[DressxToxDepress]

this is ssooooo not fair!i wish these shows was in the us!

i found to many bbc shows on the network,and i gotta say,im hooked!

the shows in america are pretty much shit!

[baalkta]

Yes ree ani pachi No ree haha hasayo yar..

[jamierourketen]

55second uploads! shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

[vulgarhead]

despite their bravery durin the world wars its a matter of gr8 disappointment that still in some parts of bt they rnt recognised....................­.jai gurkhaaazzzz

[uniqueboy375]

aayo gorkhali!!!!!!!!!!!!! proud to be called gorkha""

[hammerandclaw]

and you're just some jealous prick making obnoxious comments for peoples attention. I'd rather have Joanna as an MP than any of the corrupt bastards in parliament.

[MutingSociety]

Nope, this isn't jealousy or attention grabbing, this is genuinely how i feel.

I agree that parliament is full of crap members, but i don't think Joanna could solve the problem. She has no damn experience for a start and though she may stand up for peoples rights, i doubt she could run a country.

[digiphonic]

Your right about one thing, she is a fucking dick

[jamierourketen]

probably better than cunty brown

[Deathsupon]

JOANNA FOR PM

[toeblarone]

go on lick his balls

[Johindes]

What she did was outstanding, I love the Gurkhas, my dad was in the army and met some of them. Awesome amazing guys they deserve to stay here and not have to had to fight for that privelege> We owe the Gurkas more than we can ever repay x

[parabat7]

The have more V.C's than any other regiment in the British Army including my old regiment - South Wales Borders (Zulu).

[shreddudedill]

Cant bear to watch Ross for more than a second. Ut Jo Lumley is Good. I have a photo my dad took during The Burma campaign WW2 Gurkhas beheading Bullocks in a demonstartion I think it was some Gurkha initiation rite. The old man loved the Gurkhas as did all the guys who were with them in India/Burma against the japanese

[bertubus]

It isn't just Ross who's an arsehole, it's the BBC also. And then again it's the thick fuckers who watch him. Just like all the twats who buy the Sun and perpetuate the misery we are subject to by all the gravy-train freeloaders. The answer lies with the public at large, start thinking for yourselves and take responsibility for your lives. No politician gives a shit, they all put themselves first.

What else do they have to do to get you off your lazy arses? They are laughing at you all.

[HiredGunz]

page 3 and sunsport>>> your life

[BlastEMFF]

was very lucky i work with the Gurkha back in 1994. outstanding guys.

Joanna thank you for helping them,

please stand as MP you have my vote and a lot more.

[chrissesmissis]

I love Joanna Lumley. I had the privilege of staying on a Royal Gurkha base a few years ago. Really cool guys... good laugh :)

[TheCelticmaori]

@chrissesmissis did u try their goat curry?

[sheps999]

Ross is a bit of a cunt, but Jonanna is awesomes ^_^

[alpuretim]

Really dislike Ross too. But she is a class act.

You know, the wierd thing with Ross, he's not that likeable, he tries to hard, seems a false with his guests, I don't think the questions he asks are particularly inspired. I just don't get why he's at the top of the bbc presenter pyramid, even before the whole russel brand scandal, I always thought Ross to be really CRAP.

[Charmredux]

Love her! <3

[ECTBWHO]

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