A lot of Kung Fu schools (notably Praying Mantis styles) taught a great deal of groundfighting.
Wanna know a secret? It looks exactly like BJJ. It's just a few centuries older.
Fighting has existed since the dawn of mankind. Nearly everything out there has been found and practiced by someone, and used. Kung Fu isn't outdated, people just don't notice the important things because they're too distracted by the forms.
The forms are just conditioning. When we want to train fighting, we fight.
@Ruben1994OL I found your video. It's probably the only "BJJ vs style" YT video I've seen where the BJJ guy lost. BUT the karate guy did not "get up and knock him out" the BJJ guy had a cut on his head and they discontinued the match after the first round.
wow its gay how every one basis their comments off only things theyve seen on youtube they alwayse show the worst kung fu people against the best bjj people because best kung fu people dont have to believe that they r better by beating beginners i do wing chun ive beat three bjj people
@FistoftheIronDragon People base their comments on Youtube videos because things which you can actually see are more convincing than unverifiable, anonymous claims of having won fights. The people in this video are hardly the best or worst in their respective styles, they're more or less middling. And in this case (Along with many others) it was the kung-fu guy who made the challenge in the first place.
the kung fu guy stopped actively training at yellow belt.I know i trained with him.Also hes out weighed by over a 100 pounds.no excuses but it was like muggin a girl soory shawn.big win BJJ
@amazingdany Search Karate vs Jiu Jitsu (Not JJJ, in the vid it's BJJ). A black karate dude manages to get up and knocks the guy out. It's in the octagon, and I am sure you'll find it if you look for it ;)
I practice karate and i realize that karate is not a means to all ends but as a former bouncer i realize that being on the floor is not a place where you want to be.
If it comes to it then we fight on the floor but standing allows you to do more in regards to defending ones self. If i am wrong i would love to witness it. Even if it was in theory, I think BJJ is good but still vvery raw looking almost schoo yard fighting, football player who learn how to do jujustu, thats what i see.
that guy isn't a Kung Fu practitioner, he doesn't even hold a fighting stance or guard position. let alone anything resembling Kung Fu. I think they just gave a guy some chinese clothes and had him throw a weak ass move
Bjj been around since 1921 see i learn something new, but it will not last long because as soon as somebody comes along and starts figuring out a a way to whole sale knock or stop these football player from doing there all or nothing attack then it will be put to the waist unfornately. I feel bjj has its place just not on center street because it taking away from the beauty of jujustu which in my opinion is self defense. Is BJJ effective yeah when u fight somebody with no balls, yeah if is
@thugnast BJJ is good for street defense, your thinking only submissions when bjj fighters are on the street, Im taking it right now at Katy BJJ for the proof, I'm gonna be thinking a throw and if he dosent have his bodys around or I have mine with me then Im gonna break his arm, or say hes a good wrestler and takes me down or I trip or whatever, Im gonna be thinking sweep, reversal and up to my feet again, Im not ignorant on the streets and if the dude has a knife/gun I'm gonna run or call 911
if you didnt know any better one would think that BJJ is the best fighting art out and that the other arts need to incorporate bjj into there system. Bjj is a fad at the most because MMA has always been around we never called it MMA becasue there was no need to call it that, this is just another way for gus to make money. Think about karate it is a very esocoteric, electic arts form the same with tai chi and other styles of martial arts bjj is not 100 years old and they represnt MMA. LOL
@thugnast how is BJJ a fad? its been around since 1921, and its just a different take on judo putting more emphasis on ground (ne waza) and less on throws and judo has been around since the 1800's.Judo is from Jujutso which has been around forever.Its not a young martial art, dont be stupid. Its popular because its one of the styles used frequently in UFC so fan boys all want to do it, but people like that quit after a few months once they realise its hard work. Its popular because it works.
It always amazes me when i see these clips bjj vs and the bjj huys is just working the other guy over, when the other fighter never uses his style like they practice bjj for some strange reason and they start wrestling with the guys lol.
Excluding the eyes gouging headbutting and nut slapping on the kung fu guys part because there no need for that the bjj guy could go there also and then it would just be a survival thing and see where your art stands. he is fighting the other mans fight
People are forgetting that the most effective form of Kung Fu is with the use of weapons. Give a kung fu master a sword and a BJJ master a sword and the BJJ fighter would be dead well within half a minute.
@BountyUFC And swords involve more? So your point is that Kung Fu is useless in modern day, as I can hardly think carrying a sword around is ok? Anyway the most effective form of sword fighting is not kung fu, but an art that concentrates on swords and/or blades, like kali/escrima/arnis, western sword stuff or kendo/aido/other asian stuff.
Cont. Kung fu could learn somethings from BJJ, but it goes the same from BJJ as well, especially when it comes to self defense and multiple attackers. You can't go to the ground when your oppenent is more than one person because you'll just wind up getting kicked in back or worse. You got to stay on you feet and be agile with a lot of quick striking reponses in those situations. Its no wonder that in Red Belt there were a lot of escrima moves used as well in the self defense scene as well.
Please post a video of any Martial Artist that can effectively fight against fully resisting multiple attackers. Their is only one martial art that can. It's caled Running Fu.
@JoeJiuJitsu Ha ha ha! Running Fu! I don't disagree and will add not getting into that situation is even better than having to runaway. I think everyone will agree with that, but there are times when you may find yourself in a situation you have to fight your way out of. There is no perfect martial art, but in those situations it is advisable to stay on your feet and keep moving. A great deal of fights go to the ground, but that's because people don't know how to prevent it from doing so.
I agree with Universal Standards. Sean had a serious weight and strength disadvantage and little to no grappling skills. You could almost tell where the match was going to go from the beginning. Anyway JBHooyah, kungfu is an excellent martial art and way to diverse to ignore it. There are many forms of chinese grappling that can hold up against bjj, which I think is a great martial art also. I think if you are going up against someone who knows some BJJ, you better know how to grapple though.
Only reason everybody on youtube drools over MMA is because youtube is infested with UFC fanboys who like to reassure themselves that their "sport" is better than traditional martial arts. One is a sport, the other is a MARTIAL ART, they will never be on the same level.
Most real fights (not involving weapons or multiple opponents which is a completely different kettle of fish) end up on the floor, where does BJJ/MMA teach you to fight? Oh yeah, on the floor. I've seen people try all kinds of karate kicks and bullshit touch of death strikes that didn't work and then get their asses kicked.
@HueyLewisRocks Most of the people in real fights don't know how to fight. Therefore the fight ends up on the floor. There are those people who know how to fight and go to the floor (BJJ practitioners), but that doesn't mean that being on the floor is going to be an inevitable thing. Of course it's important to know grappling just in case, but you shouldn't make it a plan to end up on the floor. People that aren't able to make kicking and striking work are just not properly trained.
@WhirlwindWerewolf - I see your point but most people, if they're trained, are likely to be trained in a striking martial art so again it's to your advantage to take it to the ground. Besides Jujitsu (traditional) also teaches stand up control (We call it Hanbo) and MMA teaches clinch work, both viable alternatives to keeping range for strikes and very useful if you can't keep range or go to the floor.
@HueyLewisRocks I am trained in traditional Jiu-Jitsu, that is my base. It still seems that whenever you decide to grab the opponent, you're leaving yourself open to a strike. I've not heard of this term as you use it Hanbo, the closest thing to it that I've heard is a weapon that we have that is shorter than a jo-staff, but longer than an escrima stick. I don't know if this concept is just a term to describe the techniques of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, please show me a vid of it or something.
@WhirlwindWerewolf - Don't know if such a video exists, when we drill it it's like rolling but standing up, the idea is to control your opponent but without finishing, so no throws. It's not realistic, it's just to drill the techniques that you might use so there's no strength or power involved but it teaches you to close down and control an opponent stood up, they shouldn't be able to strike if you're doing it correctly. If I control someone, it's hard for them to get power in a strike.
Take a look to the right hand side of this screen all you kung fu boys, I don't see a single video of kung fu raping anyone, just a bunch of karate / kung fu boys getting taken down and submitted, oh, except for the 'kiai master $5k challenge' where he just got battered on his feet LOL, too used to his students falling over for him, fuckwit.
I'm not sure how successful the BJJ is in this example. A lot of rolling around with your shirt off. In actual combat he would find it much more difficult pinning someone's arm as they're digging a thumb into his eye socket or tearing his ear off like a piece of toilet paper.
@MrSuperbombastik - Wierd, I got in a fight a couple of weeks ago and put the guy to sleep, guess I got lucky. If he'd tried to eye gouge me I'd have broken his fucking arm. You're right about the venues though, they fight in a cage where no one can run away, guess that favours MMA (??) and as for eye gouging, anyone can do that shit, you think jujtitsu doesn't include that shit? Bet you've never done it and you're talking about your ass like most toob heroes..
@HueyLewisRocks : you must have a really pitifully small penis that you're trying to compensate for; or you're under 5'7". And don't assume that because you beat someone up that they represent 98% of humanity. You have a lot of growing up to do, which IS something that a real martial art does, that MMA doesn't. Go grow up a little there muffin, you're not actually the center of the universe.
@MrSuperbombastik - You've never done any of this stuff have you, never competed or used it in actual self defence, you're just a keyboard warrior, insulting people on youtube and posting wanky comments on their profiles. You're a troll and I've always thought the best way to deal with trolls is to cut off their oxygen so this is my last reply, later hero.
That's what happens when you actually believe what you see on "black belt theater"!
Real fights, with few exeptions end up very quickly as a grappling match, with the winner performing a ground and pound. If you aren't training for this senario then you are either an idiot, delusional or both.
What a pantload. Typical representation of BJJ. Get some fool that is half your size and wearing a ridiculous outfit. That's why guys like J Coleman the olympic roman grecco wrestler beat all these fools. Plus, a good martial arts practitioner has moves and strikes to avoid grapples and shoot fighters.
@MrSuperbombastik - Funny, that's the opposite of what Royce Gracie did, he found a bunch of guys twice his size and beat them all. If people have take down defence now you can thank BJJ for that. I guess what you're saying is Kung Fu only works against people the same size as you or smaller then? LMAO
@HueyLewisRocks : actually pole-smoker I don't know how you interpreted any of that. Gracie was 6' 1". AND they created a venue with rules that favor his style. There are PLENTY of BJJers that lose; commonly due to poor stand up skills. There are plenty of KF moves designed to maim or kill that are illegal in ufc. Bruce's style incorporated wrestling with boxing and fencing. Gracie didn't invent anything. Pankrase 648 BC look it up fool.
This or any other sport fight will never demonstrate the effectiveness of kung fu for one reason... You aren't allowed to kill your opponent. If you think kung fu in general is ineffective then you are living in a dream world. Put any of your MMA fellas up against a master in Kung Fu San Soo and witness his life ending within seconds. MMA is a sport. Kung Fu is for self defense. Which is why Kung Fu to its fullest extent isn't even allowed in MMA.
Any MMA fighter or BJJ guy can kill just as effectively as any kung-fu master. Don't hide behind the whole "Well, it's cause they can't do this". Anything you say about gouging eyes, hitting the groin, throat or anything like that a MMA fighter knows it just as well. Muay Thai can't be used to the full extent in MMA either, nor can BJJ because it poses the same "problem". Kung-fu just can't cut it anymore brother. Accept it.
@jbhooyah you got it brother. i got some kung fu guy sending me personal messages saying kung fu is for REAL FIGHTING and that bjj and muay thai is only for SPORT. guy is crazy delusional and well get his ass killed someday but i don't think he will have the balls to really fight tho.
@jbhooyah I mean it's not that BJJ guys don't know about the illegal moves, it's more of a matter that the BJJ moves leave them more susceptible to them. That's why BJJ would not fare as well the Kung Fu on the street.
@WhirlwindWerewolf ONE of the BEST posts I have seen yet!!. BJJ followers still don't get it. they leave a LOT open going for their submissions! does not matter if they know illegal moves or nor. when they commit their limbs to go for a sub, how can they do an illegal strike, bjj is supplemental at best on the street.
@biiloblue5 - I do full MMA rolling, totally different to pure BJJ I swiftly learned not to leave myself open to strikes and to use them. Yes it's not great on concrete or against multiple opponents (no martial art is) but I'll still take a hands on full body control system over some touch of death striking system any day. Add eye gouging, throat strikes, groin attacks or whatever to the UFC and the jujitsu fighters would still win more than anyone else. We learn that shit too you know.
@jbhooyah If anyone would be good at eye gauging, and groin attacks, and that sort of thing, it's definitely a BJJ practitioner. If anyone would be good at stopping that stuff, it's also a BJJ practitioner.
@jbhooyah - Im waiting to see the video of this guy taking on 2 or more people with this crap, out on the nice hard parking lot. This guy clearly was no master, & rushing in it a stupid thing to do with an Experienced striker. I know, cause to date, Ive Knocked out 3 blackbelt level grapplers who tried. Fanboyism -vs- Realism. Realism is that BJJ is incomplete BS that very well could get you killed on the streets. And its clearly lacking in any form of standup, negating means to take on +2..
BJJ is a whole new genre in fighting that other styles did not develop over the years. If anything BJJ is the first sophisticated system in fighting on the ground. It is no wonder it can beat all other styles that are used to fighting while standing, once it takes transitions the fight onto the ground. I've seen a Muay Thai guy beat a BJJ by knockout because he didn't let the guy take him down thanks to his clinch. In heat of that fight, the clinch had the advantage initscircumstance
@jbhooyah It doesn't matter what art it is, it depends on the skill of the practitioner. The problem is is that there are too many McDojo's out there that teach poorly and give people a false sense of security. To say one martial art "doesn't cut it anymore" is just as bad as saying one martial art is superior than the other.
listen up you anti mma guys.. this is how it goes.. if you've got a fighting style that you think works best, you can actually use that in mma. unless it's like krav maga or something lol..
but still you never see those crazy styles like kung fu in mma.. wierd huh?..nahhahaha
If you check the first two seconds of the video, you can see the the man in black does not know how to stand correctly and his hands are by his waists.
From this and the two other videos on youtube of the same white dude getting smoked by the same guy and a few fights on tv, you are going to say kung fu does not work?
You mma stans stay losing with this "mma>God" mentality.
Yeah, kung fu doesnt work in real fights, and someone not trained in all aspects of fighting would not last many mma matches before he gets defeated, if any. Especially if youre a standup fighter. If your backround is purely jiu jitsu or wreslting you might make it out of the first match or two, if you face shitty opponents. But as a pure striker (kung fu, karate, kickboxing, muay thai, boxing etc) you willl surely get taken down and submitted. Thats's been very clearly proven.
O engraçado é que outro vídeo igualzinho a esse diz "MMA x Kung fu". Triste quem se baseia apenas por esse vídeo do Youtube para formar suas conclusões e mais triste ainda é quem acredita que esse vídeo é autêntico.
Academia "fundo de quintal" tentando denegrir a imagem de outras artes para se promover, onde um lutador experiente luta outro ainda menos experiente ou que talvez treinou em academia clandestina. Triste de quem fez esse vídeo e de quem acredita nesse charlatão.
Yes he did. I remember talking to these guys before the fight happened. The attitude of the San Soo guys was very humble afterwards. John Marsh and company looked at it as a way to make some money and nothing else. By the way, $5000 was on the line.
To be honest with you, I don't think he would've tapped. He was going for the guy's eyes and all of that other good stuff. He simply didn't have the sensitivity to make up for his size and weight disadvantage though. Here's the thing. .John Marsh weighs 230 lbs. and Sean only weighs 140. It was a losing battle for Sean from the very beginning. Size, speed and strength mean a hell of a lot more than people in MA give it credit for IMO.
@UniversalStandards - You saying kung fu only works against guys your own size? Shit, I watched Royce Gracie tap Akebono who outweighed him by 200 pounds...... Size does matter, but technique that actually works in real fights matters too...
@UniversalStandards with bjj if you learn it well size pwoer and speed dont mean anything helio gracie wasnt phisicaly gifted at all thats why he made bjj
@UniversalStandards To be honest, you are correct, but that is the problem with learning these other martial arts, is that they aren't always practicle against bigger faster stronger opponents. BJJ is DESIGNED to work against people of all sizes
I dont know much about bruce lee. but someone here said, "And no one even knows if he was that great of a martial artist either". now chuck norris (who I never met) worked with lee, has a great love of martial arts, won tournaments in his day and later learned bjj from the machado brothers (which is a style I have taken). chuck would have an idea how good bruce was. that doesnt help you or me find out but there are living people who can say if he had skill. I myself let the dead rest in piece.
The Kung Fu guy is not skilled at all and the BJJ guy is being coached the whole time. This fight is a joke. BJJ is good but it's not the supreme art of all arts like it is made out to be. BJJ is ring sport fighting. It depends heavily on rules to execute most of its techniques. But here is a ring example of how to deal with a BJJ takedown.
The BJJ fighter clear outmuscles the other guy. Also, the kung fu guy sucks. He started with no stance and went in with a very poorly executed and telegraphed kick.
what I dont get is how this guys is a rep for gung fu. He is clearly, not in the same weight class as the other guy, and not as physically strong. I am not sure if the guy even studies gung fu, cept for the Bruce lee suit.
Its is quite obvious that if you go in there thinking you are going to be able to use kung fu on someone who is not going to stand there and to willingly exchange kung fu techniques is actually going to get his ass beat unless if it is someone who knows nothing about the arts of fighting. My opinion is that Brazilian JuJitsu is clearly the best way to go in self defense! Throw in some boxing lessons with
how easy is it to bite or eye gouge a mothafucka when hes on top of you? and street fighting, lets not forget, contains no rules... which means biting, eye gouging, and other dirty techniques are completely accpetable.
in addition, if they're multiple opponents and u try some jui jitsu shit... ur getting ur ass stomped out the instant u got ur opponent in a lovely hold.
Brazilan ju jitsu was developed by the gracies and they developed it by doing real street fighting. Let me put it this way, they know how to choke you out with using your shirt collar against you.
The Kung Fu guy was trying to goug his eyes you dumb ass. Search Karate master vs BJJ the guy was trying to Bite and scratch and eye gouge you dumb shit. I've been in and seen plenty of street and BJJ will destroy any Kung Fu or Karate fighter.
And if you don't believe challenge a BJJ guy to a fight and put it up on youtube.
ppl who go around insulting other ppls martial arts r prolly just lazy ass fuks who sits at home n watch 2 much ufc who doesnt even train n u dun gouge ppls eyes when they r standing u hit em with strikes if they get u in sum kind of hold u gouge the eyes to get out youtube fights r bullshit almost all these ppl r just students who started practicing for a few months these fights dun prove shit most likly they r just challenging newbies to fights
if you try kung fu shit with ONE person you are gunna get beat unconsios! let alone more than one! and wat makes you think think the ju-jitsu guy isnt gunna bite back? or eye gouge?if you bite a BJJ guy all its gunna do is make him stomp your head a few times after hes choked you out.if thes multiple oponats you run,boxing or muay thai are the best standup arts, learn them not this kung fu rubish.
Well yeh it was never made for the "streets" though it was just a form of fighting a soldier would use if he ever needed to. Its kind of stupid when ppl talk about fighting styles in the streets i dont no why people always bring it up. Im mostly about sport. I beleive if in a real unexpected street fight i dont think any styles would work. If its really a life or death situation id do w.e i can to live not just follow a fighting style.
agreed, i think people just can't accept that bbj is the best fighting style ever, it may not look spectacular or be good for a movie but it works the best. And now let me say something that will really piss people off. Bruce Lee was great, but he is also highly overrated, and so is jit li and jackie chan and all the other movie fighters, if they are so awesome, how come they don't enter the UFC and prove it? i'll tell you why, because they would get their asses kicked, and so would've bruce lee
WOW....well said sir well said. I couldnt agree with you more. I cant even explain how annoying it is when ppl bring up bruce lee and how great he was. There isnt even evidence or a video of him proving he was that good.
i know, just a bunch of edited, choriographed fight scenes in MOVIES, it's like a fish story, it gets bigger each time it's told. Me, I like bruce lee films, but he still never proved himself. I know, people are gonna say "I bet he would've kicked your ass". Maybe... but not if he would've locked up with me
Yeh i no i really dont understand why everyone thinks he was that great. Yeh his movies are fun to watch but its not like he was a great actor or anything. And no one even knows if he was that great of a martial artist either. he gets too much credit with out proof
He was an undefeated boxer, and defeated martial arts black belts from many styles. he was a proven badass well before he was kato. how do you think he got the part?
Who bruce lee? all the undefeated stuff is bull shit. he wasnt a big time boxer and he wasnt a big time martial artist. he wasnt a proven badass. If he is show me a video of him in an actual competition fight. how about all those titles he won show me a video of him winning one. Until then im sorry but i cant say he was a good fighter.
chill out, kid. just look it up yourself no need for me to do it 4 u. sheesh. but remember, we're talking about 1960's China, not 1960's USA. Vids might be hard to find, but they r out there. before videos, people used to keep whats called "written records" weird stuff, u should look into it.
yeh i no what writen records are and ive also heard of to much street fighting myths....I must of said it a billion times i know bruce lee was good but is entirely overated from the glamour of his movies. People like you say he was the best ever and could beat anyone today. Even in his books he said he wasnt that great. and has even admitted he wasnt that great and jeet kune do. Everyone gets all hyped on his movies as if there real fights or something.
"people like me"? when did i ever say that? I understand what u r saying, he was overrated, but so was mike tyson, so is anderson silva. but that doesn't mean any of those people don't deserve respect for pushing themselves to such great heights. all im saying is he was an undefeated boxer. not saying hes undefeatable. but he does deserve respect for everything hes done for the martial arts, both traditionally and in Jeet Kune Do. BEFORE he was Kato. All I'm saying.
Well yeh ofcourse and he does get reconition. it gets me very angry though when people even mention bruce lee because to me it seems hes completely over used. Anderson silva isnt overrated yet but he deffently will be. I mean if you think hes overrated now im sure it will get much worse.
@PankrationGod wow do some researc for you make such a bod statment as Bruce Lee never being in a real fight he won the International tournament in long beach back in the day it was full contact and made a statment that he could beat anyone in under a min. even the hollywood movire producerssaid he would get in random street fights.
@Sifujohns - Lee was the exception to the rule, he had the physical attributes to make kung fu work but the average guy on the street can't do that. BJJ works for everyone, you don't have to be Bruce lee.
@HueyLewisRocks while the point is valid that bjj doent require nearly the athletic talent as does kung fu and yes everyone can do bjj - it is still limited with hard streets, closed spaces, weapons, multi attackers etc. especially fighting from guard, can get your skull cracked by a clever opponent
@Sifujohns : you are correct. Lee was quite well known for fighting when he was young. He also was challenged often by people on the sets of his movies. This is all documented.
but idk if you can call bjj the best because idk there isnt really a best style. but i will say it is a very excellent style because it can be meshed so easily with lots of other styles. and since its big on leverage and technique it makes it even better
i think there shouldnt be so many styles, the only one that should exist is MMA. Learning all aspects of fighting will always dominate one single style.
Yes thats a good take on things. I like to think of fighting as fighting and not seperate it to much. I only use styles to categorize the moves and techniques basically.
how well do bjj fighter do against karate,kung fu, or other arts that know BJJ very well. is a striker with good bjj skills better then a pure grappler?
depends anything can happen. a striker can get submitted and a submission artist can get knocked out.i would think being well rounded is the best though.
dude the kung fu guy is an idiot. if you are going to fight against a BJJ guy in advance learn some BJJ stuff. Im taking some BJJ/grappling classes from my kempo DoJO (our instructor knows BJJ) and Im amazed how the basic rookie stuff could really help or make the fight look better
if anyone thinks kung fu is useless look up sifu rudy. he will clear up any misconceptions trust me. but really look him up. i would appreciate the effort to learn because i am also a learner. thanks
Maybe they should try to actually spar against a skilled kung-fu person. I can honestly say that I have never been taken to the ground by one of these guys. I do Kung-Fu and you just have to know the right defense techniques. I like it when people shoot in, its just more of an advantage to you.
Maybe not to you, but is to me. As soon as they shoot in they're risking everything. They're off balance and they're head is right by your legs and knees. I've been taught shaolin grappling, so I'm not a total idiot when it comes to ground fighting.
Your not going to be able to knee someone in the head when they have a good shot on you. when someone shoots in on you your not suppose to know about it. Also even if you know counter techniques there not going to work everytime. This video proves it.
This video proves nothing more than the kung-fu gentleman isn't skilled in the art of ground fighting. I didn't post this comment for an argument. I don't know how you can say I'm not going to be able to knee somebody when they shoot in. I've done it many times before. I'm not saying shooting doesn't work for people because it obviously works for many. I've never been taken to the ground by a wrestler or by someone in Jiu Jitsu, and I've sparred many. I just know what works for me, so I use it.
The arm thing was a bit excessive. It was clear who the winner was without having to break an arm. Honestly, people like that are what consistently scare people away from martial arts. Rather than being able to go to a place where you learn to defend yourself, it's a place that you may meet peopl who would take advantage of someone's vulnerable position (even during practice!) and hurt them. Fact is, due to BJJ's nature it's more easy for a jerk to hurt someone more severely than in other arts.
WellI think we all expected BJJ tohand KF its ass but the wrestler really was an Ass hole for breaking the stupid kid's arm. Tere are a lot of BJJ academies where some dick head seems to be hell bent on sending even his classmates to the hospital. They will try to jerk the technique so you don't have a chance to tap out. Most of the time if evenly matched you can tap out since you can delay a few seconds. But this guy is definitelly an ass hole
Are dojo bullies restricted to BJJ? Not at all. Besides, back in the day, challenging someone of anoher art was taken very seriously. If you walked into a dojo and laid down a challenge in front of the students, and were also cokcy and disrespectful, you ran the risk of getting roughed up badly.
I can't tell but I believe this is the video I was told about where the Kung Fu practitioner tried biting. If that is the case, he deserved to have his arm snapped.
Profound question grasshoper... no ass holes are not limited to BJJ in fact I will have to say I have found more ass holes in other dojos. For that matter you can expect to find assholes in all paths this life may take you. I woud not doubt the Kung Fu guy tried to bite. I do think it is lame to have a big muscle guy take on the punny Kung Fu kid. That's what made BJJ so impressive you had a lenky brasileiro kicking a beefed up fighters ass with no effort
I always believed assholery was a prerequisite for fighting.
Yes it was impressive watching some 150lb bicep challenged runt destroy anabolic meatsack after anabolic meatsack. One doesn't even have to be that athletically gifted to be effective at BJJ.
BTW I don't typo flame but grassHOPER was pretty funny. My name isn't Bud "Smokey" Green.
Neither of them should have been fighting. Was that kid doing the kung fu even beyond the first 3 months of training? He showed such poor form in his one kick that I could have sworn he's just started training. As for the MMA fighter, he didn't have the control to properly do his arm lock without injuring the kid. If I was either of their instructors, I'd have said not to bother with such a ridiculous fight. Neither one was ready for competition. They were both lacking in skill.
How the fuck does he suck as a grappler because he broke the kung fu guys arm? He problably is a dick, but we cant say shit, what about if the kung fu guy called him out first? Wither way, nice fucking shoulder crunch.
How the fuck does he suck as a grappler because he broke the kung fu guys arm? He problably is a dick, but we cant say shit, what about if the kung fu guy called him out first? Wither way, nice fucking shoulder crunch.
I hope that sound was a special effect and the BJJ guy didn't break the guys arm. There's an unwritten rule in this sort of thing that we fight but don't set out to permantly cripple each other.
A lot of Kung Fu schools (notably Praying Mantis styles) taught a great deal of groundfighting.
Wanna know a secret? It looks exactly like BJJ. It's just a few centuries older.
Fighting has existed since the dawn of mankind. Nearly everything out there has been found and practiced by someone, and used. Kung Fu isn't outdated, people just don't notice the important things because they're too distracted by the forms.
The forms are just conditioning. When we want to train fighting, we fight.
ZomBLord 1 month ago
@Ruben1994OL I found your video. It's probably the only "BJJ vs style" YT video I've seen where the BJJ guy lost. BUT the karate guy did not "get up and knock him out" the BJJ guy had a cut on his head and they discontinued the match after the first round.
TCThundercat 1 month ago
wow its gay how every one basis their comments off only things theyve seen on youtube they alwayse show the worst kung fu people against the best bjj people because best kung fu people dont have to believe that they r better by beating beginners i do wing chun ive beat three bjj people
FistoftheIronDragon 3 months ago
@FistoftheIronDragon People base their comments on Youtube videos because things which you can actually see are more convincing than unverifiable, anonymous claims of having won fights. The people in this video are hardly the best or worst in their respective styles, they're more or less middling. And in this case (Along with many others) it was the kung-fu guy who made the challenge in the first place.
ThePinkMan 2 months ago
the kung fu guy stopped actively training at yellow belt.I know i trained with him.Also hes out weighed by over a 100 pounds.no excuses but it was like muggin a girl soory shawn.big win BJJ
porschethor 7 months ago
Damn, snapped that arm like a twig.
stopcicles 7 months ago
wing tsun is useless against MMA fighters or brazilian jiu jitsu.
BluePittbull666 7 months ago
Is there a bjj vs video here on YT where the bjj fighter actually LOSES?
amazingdany 8 months ago 2
@amazingdany Search Karate vs Jiu Jitsu (Not JJJ, in the vid it's BJJ). A black karate dude manages to get up and knocks the guy out. It's in the octagon, and I am sure you'll find it if you look for it ;)
Ruben1994OL 8 months ago
Brutal Kimora, sounds like he breaks it in two places!!!
joekelly1305 9 months ago
I practice karate and i realize that karate is not a means to all ends but as a former bouncer i realize that being on the floor is not a place where you want to be.
If it comes to it then we fight on the floor but standing allows you to do more in regards to defending ones self. If i am wrong i would love to witness it. Even if it was in theory, I think BJJ is good but still vvery raw looking almost schoo yard fighting, football player who learn how to do jujustu, thats what i see.
thugnast 10 months ago
Plenty of bouncers do BJJ or Judo or similar. Bjj is chess my firend. Take a class and you'll see what I mean. There is no one answer.
mattymojo911 9 months ago
that guy isn't a Kung Fu practitioner, he doesn't even hold a fighting stance or guard position. let alone anything resembling Kung Fu. I think they just gave a guy some chinese clothes and had him throw a weak ass move
83dannyphantom 10 months ago
It all depends on the person not the style
83dannyphantom 10 months ago
Was this fake? What kind of Jim Carey kungfu was this
newbielives 10 months ago
Bjj been around since 1921 see i learn something new, but it will not last long because as soon as somebody comes along and starts figuring out a a way to whole sale knock or stop these football player from doing there all or nothing attack then it will be put to the waist unfornately. I feel bjj has its place just not on center street because it taking away from the beauty of jujustu which in my opinion is self defense. Is BJJ effective yeah when u fight somebody with no balls, yeah if is
thugnast 11 months ago
@thugnast BJJ is good for street defense, your thinking only submissions when bjj fighters are on the street, Im taking it right now at Katy BJJ for the proof, I'm gonna be thinking a throw and if he dosent have his bodys around or I have mine with me then Im gonna break his arm, or say hes a good wrestler and takes me down or I trip or whatever, Im gonna be thinking sweep, reversal and up to my feet again, Im not ignorant on the streets and if the dude has a knife/gun I'm gonna run or call 911
parks2000 10 months ago
if you didnt know any better one would think that BJJ is the best fighting art out and that the other arts need to incorporate bjj into there system. Bjj is a fad at the most because MMA has always been around we never called it MMA becasue there was no need to call it that, this is just another way for gus to make money. Think about karate it is a very esocoteric, electic arts form the same with tai chi and other styles of martial arts bjj is not 100 years old and they represnt MMA. LOL
thugnast 11 months ago
@thugnast how is BJJ a fad? its been around since 1921, and its just a different take on judo putting more emphasis on ground (ne waza) and less on throws and judo has been around since the 1800's.Judo is from Jujutso which has been around forever.Its not a young martial art, dont be stupid. Its popular because its one of the styles used frequently in UFC so fan boys all want to do it, but people like that quit after a few months once they realise its hard work. Its popular because it works.
GracieBarraMofo 11 months ago
It always amazes me when i see these clips bjj vs and the bjj huys is just working the other guy over, when the other fighter never uses his style like they practice bjj for some strange reason and they start wrestling with the guys lol.
Excluding the eyes gouging headbutting and nut slapping on the kung fu guys part because there no need for that the bjj guy could go there also and then it would just be a survival thing and see where your art stands. he is fighting the other mans fight
thugnast 11 months ago
is this a cong-fu fighter? I didn't know
when you fight with someone capable to break your bone with one-inch punch, you will know that you BJJ is just gay
veryhotguy97 11 months ago
Come on here...what was this Kung Fu guy thinking. I don't even think he knew Kung Fu not that it mattered. This was just sad to watch period.
TIKOMIX 1 year ago
People are forgetting that the most effective form of Kung Fu is with the use of weapons. Give a kung fu master a sword and a BJJ master a sword and the BJJ fighter would be dead well within half a minute.
BountyUFC 1 year ago
@BountyUFC Why not give them both guns then?
Noppatoppa 1 year ago
@Noppatoppa Because that would be defeating the purpose of Martial arts. Guns dont involve martial arts at all lol
BountyUFC 1 year ago
@BountyUFC And swords involve more? So your point is that Kung Fu is useless in modern day, as I can hardly think carrying a sword around is ok? Anyway the most effective form of sword fighting is not kung fu, but an art that concentrates on swords and/or blades, like kali/escrima/arnis, western sword stuff or kendo/aido/other asian stuff.
Noppatoppa 1 year ago
jbhooyah. TROLL
muteki91 1 year ago
Ouch!
TheChessNinja2718 1 year ago
Crack!
Flavioxeneize 1 year ago
Thats the most lame attack ever done by the kungfu dude...look at his stance ? look at that lame kick ? what does he think it would do anyway !?
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Cont. Kung fu could learn somethings from BJJ, but it goes the same from BJJ as well, especially when it comes to self defense and multiple attackers. You can't go to the ground when your oppenent is more than one person because you'll just wind up getting kicked in back or worse. You got to stay on you feet and be agile with a lot of quick striking reponses in those situations. Its no wonder that in Red Belt there were a lot of escrima moves used as well in the self defense scene as well.
YRivera1 1 year ago
@YRivera1
Please post a video of any Martial Artist that can effectively fight against fully resisting multiple attackers. Their is only one martial art that can. It's caled Running Fu.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago 2
@JoeJiuJitsu Ha ha ha! Running Fu! I don't disagree and will add not getting into that situation is even better than having to runaway. I think everyone will agree with that, but there are times when you may find yourself in a situation you have to fight your way out of. There is no perfect martial art, but in those situations it is advisable to stay on your feet and keep moving. A great deal of fights go to the ground, but that's because people don't know how to prevent it from doing so.
YRivera1 1 year ago
@JoeJiuJitsu there have been videos of that:
youtube dot com/watch?v=C2DirtL7JBg
youtube dot com/watch?v=96BekJxApsA
those videos have been around for years. where have you been? the defenders in those videos did not run, they stick and move.
gagongromy 11 months ago
I agree with Universal Standards. Sean had a serious weight and strength disadvantage and little to no grappling skills. You could almost tell where the match was going to go from the beginning. Anyway JBHooyah, kungfu is an excellent martial art and way to diverse to ignore it. There are many forms of chinese grappling that can hold up against bjj, which I think is a great martial art also. I think if you are going up against someone who knows some BJJ, you better know how to grapple though.
YRivera1 1 year ago
i think its funny how people pick such unfair fighting partners.
raymondfong92 1 year ago
Only reason everybody on youtube drools over MMA is because youtube is infested with UFC fanboys who like to reassure themselves that their "sport" is better than traditional martial arts. One is a sport, the other is a MARTIAL ART, they will never be on the same level.
BMunich16 1 year ago
Most real fights (not involving weapons or multiple opponents which is a completely different kettle of fish) end up on the floor, where does BJJ/MMA teach you to fight? Oh yeah, on the floor. I've seen people try all kinds of karate kicks and bullshit touch of death strikes that didn't work and then get their asses kicked.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@HueyLewisRocks Most of the people in real fights don't know how to fight. Therefore the fight ends up on the floor. There are those people who know how to fight and go to the floor (BJJ practitioners), but that doesn't mean that being on the floor is going to be an inevitable thing. Of course it's important to know grappling just in case, but you shouldn't make it a plan to end up on the floor. People that aren't able to make kicking and striking work are just not properly trained.
WhirlwindWerewolf 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf - I see your point but most people, if they're trained, are likely to be trained in a striking martial art so again it's to your advantage to take it to the ground. Besides Jujitsu (traditional) also teaches stand up control (We call it Hanbo) and MMA teaches clinch work, both viable alternatives to keeping range for strikes and very useful if you can't keep range or go to the floor.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@HueyLewisRocks I am trained in traditional Jiu-Jitsu, that is my base. It still seems that whenever you decide to grab the opponent, you're leaving yourself open to a strike. I've not heard of this term as you use it Hanbo, the closest thing to it that I've heard is a weapon that we have that is shorter than a jo-staff, but longer than an escrima stick. I don't know if this concept is just a term to describe the techniques of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, please show me a vid of it or something.
WhirlwindWerewolf 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf - Don't know if such a video exists, when we drill it it's like rolling but standing up, the idea is to control your opponent but without finishing, so no throws. It's not realistic, it's just to drill the techniques that you might use so there's no strength or power involved but it teaches you to close down and control an opponent stood up, they shouldn't be able to strike if you're doing it correctly. If I control someone, it's hard for them to get power in a strike.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
Take a look to the right hand side of this screen all you kung fu boys, I don't see a single video of kung fu raping anyone, just a bunch of karate / kung fu boys getting taken down and submitted, oh, except for the 'kiai master $5k challenge' where he just got battered on his feet LOL, too used to his students falling over for him, fuckwit.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
I'm not sure how successful the BJJ is in this example. A lot of rolling around with your shirt off. In actual combat he would find it much more difficult pinning someone's arm as they're digging a thumb into his eye socket or tearing his ear off like a piece of toilet paper.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
@MrSuperbombastik - Wierd, I got in a fight a couple of weeks ago and put the guy to sleep, guess I got lucky. If he'd tried to eye gouge me I'd have broken his fucking arm. You're right about the venues though, they fight in a cage where no one can run away, guess that favours MMA (??) and as for eye gouging, anyone can do that shit, you think jujtitsu doesn't include that shit? Bet you've never done it and you're talking about your ass like most toob heroes..
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@HueyLewisRocks : you must have a really pitifully small penis that you're trying to compensate for; or you're under 5'7". And don't assume that because you beat someone up that they represent 98% of humanity. You have a lot of growing up to do, which IS something that a real martial art does, that MMA doesn't. Go grow up a little there muffin, you're not actually the center of the universe.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
@MrSuperbombastik - You've never done any of this stuff have you, never competed or used it in actual self defence, you're just a keyboard warrior, insulting people on youtube and posting wanky comments on their profiles. You're a troll and I've always thought the best way to deal with trolls is to cut off their oxygen so this is my last reply, later hero.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
That's what happens when you actually believe what you see on "black belt theater"!
Real fights, with few exeptions end up very quickly as a grappling match, with the winner performing a ground and pound. If you aren't training for this senario then you are either an idiot, delusional or both.
talon115 1 year ago
What a pantload. Typical representation of BJJ. Get some fool that is half your size and wearing a ridiculous outfit. That's why guys like J Coleman the olympic roman grecco wrestler beat all these fools. Plus, a good martial arts practitioner has moves and strikes to avoid grapples and shoot fighters.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago 2
@MrSuperbombastik - Funny, that's the opposite of what Royce Gracie did, he found a bunch of guys twice his size and beat them all. If people have take down defence now you can thank BJJ for that. I guess what you're saying is Kung Fu only works against people the same size as you or smaller then? LMAO
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@HueyLewisRocks : actually pole-smoker I don't know how you interpreted any of that. Gracie was 6' 1". AND they created a venue with rules that favor his style. There are PLENTY of BJJers that lose; commonly due to poor stand up skills. There are plenty of KF moves designed to maim or kill that are illegal in ufc. Bruce's style incorporated wrestling with boxing and fencing. Gracie didn't invent anything. Pankrase 648 BC look it up fool.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
BJJ guys looks huge compared to this little KF guy.
jcfromap 1 year ago
If some guy goes for my eyes I"d break his fucking arm off too.
SuperSneakySteve 1 year ago 2
LE FRACTURO LA MANO??
gerardomartinu 1 year ago
did he do what I think he done, damn man that kung fu guy is an idiot for not tapping
AbhiB 2 years ago
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It's also 30 kg more of muscle vs. kung fu. I doubt it would have made much of a difference if they both weighed the same.
Elbiatch 2 years ago
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Elbiatch 2 years ago
que burro, morreu na americana...
chuck009br 2 years ago
This or any other sport fight will never demonstrate the effectiveness of kung fu for one reason... You aren't allowed to kill your opponent. If you think kung fu in general is ineffective then you are living in a dream world. Put any of your MMA fellas up against a master in Kung Fu San Soo and witness his life ending within seconds. MMA is a sport. Kung Fu is for self defense. Which is why Kung Fu to its fullest extent isn't even allowed in MMA.
isthisadream2012 2 years ago
always the same bullshit...... you cant kill a mma guy using kung fu blablabla
why dont you look at the facts???
do you think the mma guy will let you "kill him"
WTF LMAO
try to "kill" fedor in the street
maybe if youre mas oyama you can kill someone , but , be serious , who trains like that nowadays????
sachamord 2 years ago
Any MMA fighter or BJJ guy can kill just as effectively as any kung-fu master. Don't hide behind the whole "Well, it's cause they can't do this". Anything you say about gouging eyes, hitting the groin, throat or anything like that a MMA fighter knows it just as well. Muay Thai can't be used to the full extent in MMA either, nor can BJJ because it poses the same "problem". Kung-fu just can't cut it anymore brother. Accept it.
jbhooyah 2 years ago 40
@jbhooyah you got it brother. i got some kung fu guy sending me personal messages saying kung fu is for REAL FIGHTING and that bjj and muay thai is only for SPORT. guy is crazy delusional and well get his ass killed someday but i don't think he will have the balls to really fight tho.
roninpainbringer 1 year ago
@jbhooyah I mean it's not that BJJ guys don't know about the illegal moves, it's more of a matter that the BJJ moves leave them more susceptible to them. That's why BJJ would not fare as well the Kung Fu on the street.
WhirlwindWerewolf 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf ONE of the BEST posts I have seen yet!!. BJJ followers still don't get it. they leave a LOT open going for their submissions! does not matter if they know illegal moves or nor. when they commit their limbs to go for a sub, how can they do an illegal strike, bjj is supplemental at best on the street.
biiloblue5 1 year ago
@biiloblue5 - I do full MMA rolling, totally different to pure BJJ I swiftly learned not to leave myself open to strikes and to use them. Yes it's not great on concrete or against multiple opponents (no martial art is) but I'll still take a hands on full body control system over some touch of death striking system any day. Add eye gouging, throat strikes, groin attacks or whatever to the UFC and the jujitsu fighters would still win more than anyone else. We learn that shit too you know.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@jbhooyah If anyone would be good at eye gauging, and groin attacks, and that sort of thing, it's definitely a BJJ practitioner. If anyone would be good at stopping that stuff, it's also a BJJ practitioner.
TheGodFatherChair 11 months ago
@jbhooyah - Im waiting to see the video of this guy taking on 2 or more people with this crap, out on the nice hard parking lot. This guy clearly was no master, & rushing in it a stupid thing to do with an Experienced striker. I know, cause to date, Ive Knocked out 3 blackbelt level grapplers who tried. Fanboyism -vs- Realism. Realism is that BJJ is incomplete BS that very well could get you killed on the streets. And its clearly lacking in any form of standup, negating means to take on +2..
xiaou2 9 months ago
@jbhooyah
BJJ is a whole new genre in fighting that other styles did not develop over the years. If anything BJJ is the first sophisticated system in fighting on the ground. It is no wonder it can beat all other styles that are used to fighting while standing, once it takes transitions the fight onto the ground. I've seen a Muay Thai guy beat a BJJ by knockout because he didn't let the guy take him down thanks to his clinch. In heat of that fight, the clinch had the advantage initscircumstance
AimingFist 9 months ago
@jbhooyah well BJJ is the gentle fist so the whole point of it is to not kill or maim.
Karascool 4 months ago
@jbhooyah It doesn't matter what art it is, it depends on the skill of the practitioner. The problem is is that there are too many McDojo's out there that teach poorly and give people a false sense of security. To say one martial art "doesn't cut it anymore" is just as bad as saying one martial art is superior than the other.
chrisfromoh 4 months ago 2
@isthisadream2012 LMAO, what bull, kung fu, particulary san shou is in MMA. Those guys do well, but they cant kill in seconds. thats all myths.
Cambative kung fu is effective, but only as effective as the guy that uses it. Same could be said with all arts-hence why most are in MMA.
ikcjjtt 1 year ago 2
listen up you anti mma guys.. this is how it goes.. if you've got a fighting style that you think works best, you can actually use that in mma. unless it's like krav maga or something lol..
but still you never see those crazy styles like kung fu in mma.. wierd huh?..nahhahaha
23runner4 2 years ago
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isthisadream2012 2 years ago
Fuck, he broke his wrist!!!!
yamasnik 2 years ago
Does he break his wrist or elbow at the end....was this a real fight
stevoe1000 2 years ago
That guys arm got Jacked up!! He's going to be hurting for a long time.
npfragger 2 years ago
This guy has no idea how to fight.
If you check the first two seconds of the video, you can see the the man in black does not know how to stand correctly and his hands are by his waists.
From this and the two other videos on youtube of the same white dude getting smoked by the same guy and a few fights on tv, you are going to say kung fu does not work?
You mma stans stay losing with this "mma>God" mentality.
joe6041887 2 years ago
Yeah, kung fu doesnt work in real fights, and someone not trained in all aspects of fighting would not last many mma matches before he gets defeated, if any. Especially if youre a standup fighter. If your backround is purely jiu jitsu or wreslting you might make it out of the first match or two, if you face shitty opponents. But as a pure striker (kung fu, karate, kickboxing, muay thai, boxing etc) you willl surely get taken down and submitted. Thats's been very clearly proven.
roycegracie2 2 years ago
no.
im only bored to hear 2 i can poke your eye in ground"
sachamord 2 years ago
bjj zzz
tfsiow 2 years ago
Did I just hear some thing crack at the end of the video?
cuongnhu246 2 years ago
and it ended with a quick kimura :)
aa3gunner 2 years ago
as moiçolas brigando que viadagem vai ora sô
michaelpysc 3 years ago
there was no way tht the kung fu guy would have won he couldnt even move so imagine what he would do to him if it was a real fight
DIEGO197929 3 years ago
O engraçado é que outro vídeo igualzinho a esse diz "MMA x Kung fu". Triste quem se baseia apenas por esse vídeo do Youtube para formar suas conclusões e mais triste ainda é quem acredita que esse vídeo é autêntico.
Academia "fundo de quintal" tentando denegrir a imagem de outras artes para se promover, onde um lutador experiente luta outro ainda menos experiente ou que talvez treinou em academia clandestina. Triste de quem fez esse vídeo e de quem acredita nesse charlatão.
Corvusdotensis 3 years ago
kkkkkkkkkk!
recebeu um americano =O
kakaparkour 3 years ago
did he break his arm?
wysiwygbandit 3 years ago
Yes he did. I remember talking to these guys before the fight happened. The attitude of the San Soo guys was very humble afterwards. John Marsh and company looked at it as a way to make some money and nothing else. By the way, $5000 was on the line.
UniversalStandards 3 years ago
isn't it abit harsh that he just snapped his arm?
lyk the kung fu guy didn't even get time to tap
wysiwygbandit 3 years ago
To be honest with you, I don't think he would've tapped. He was going for the guy's eyes and all of that other good stuff. He simply didn't have the sensitivity to make up for his size and weight disadvantage though. Here's the thing. .John Marsh weighs 230 lbs. and Sean only weighs 140. It was a losing battle for Sean from the very beginning. Size, speed and strength mean a hell of a lot more than people in MA give it credit for IMO.
UniversalStandards 3 years ago 13
@UniversalStandards - You saying kung fu only works against guys your own size? Shit, I watched Royce Gracie tap Akebono who outweighed him by 200 pounds...... Size does matter, but technique that actually works in real fights matters too...
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@UniversalStandards with bjj if you learn it well size pwoer and speed dont mean anything helio gracie wasnt phisicaly gifted at all thats why he made bjj
saberman41 1 year ago
@UniversalStandards To be honest, you are correct, but that is the problem with learning these other martial arts, is that they aren't always practicle against bigger faster stronger opponents. BJJ is DESIGNED to work against people of all sizes
johnedlin7 8 months ago
I dont know much about bruce lee. but someone here said, "And no one even knows if he was that great of a martial artist either". now chuck norris (who I never met) worked with lee, has a great love of martial arts, won tournaments in his day and later learned bjj from the machado brothers (which is a style I have taken). chuck would have an idea how good bruce was. that doesnt help you or me find out but there are living people who can say if he had skill. I myself let the dead rest in piece.
bikerchrish 3 years ago 3
The Kung Fu guy is not skilled at all and the BJJ guy is being coached the whole time. This fight is a joke. BJJ is good but it's not the supreme art of all arts like it is made out to be. BJJ is ring sport fighting. It depends heavily on rules to execute most of its techniques. But here is a ring example of how to deal with a BJJ takedown.
Takanori Gomi Vs Ralph Gracie(6 sec knock out!!)
Lejay415 3 years ago
I like to mix BJJ and Muay Thai. I think thw two of them toghether are deadly.
higgs03 3 years ago 2
lol... so, where's the proof that this man does really kung fu?
Mudjin 3 years ago
wow the kung fu guy does the pecking duck technique at 0:09..lol
gangjuju 3 years ago
The BJJ fighter clear outmuscles the other guy. Also, the kung fu guy sucks. He started with no stance and went in with a very poorly executed and telegraphed kick.
ChinoLatino89 3 years ago
it is a piece of shit, I hate this kind of fight very much. idiot fight child style!
phk0529 3 years ago
Jiu Jitsu good for one on one self defense...not three on one!... or four on one!....but still effective..
xchargerOUx 3 years ago
i fucking heard that one
freddiefernandez 3 years ago
what I dont get is how this guys is a rep for gung fu. He is clearly, not in the same weight class as the other guy, and not as physically strong. I am not sure if the guy even studies gung fu, cept for the Bruce lee suit.
djchangsta 3 years ago
nice Kimura!
joselopez112 3 years ago
rigourous stretching and you will become a well rounded formidable opponent that can take any martial arts expert out of commision.
joselopez112 3 years ago
Its is quite obvious that if you go in there thinking you are going to be able to use kung fu on someone who is not going to stand there and to willingly exchange kung fu techniques is actually going to get his ass beat unless if it is someone who knows nothing about the arts of fighting. My opinion is that Brazilian JuJitsu is clearly the best way to go in self defense! Throw in some boxing lessons with
joselopez112 3 years ago
jujitsu is SHIT for self defense.
how easy is it to bite or eye gouge a mothafucka when hes on top of you? and street fighting, lets not forget, contains no rules... which means biting, eye gouging, and other dirty techniques are completely accpetable.
in addition, if they're multiple opponents and u try some jui jitsu shit... ur getting ur ass stomped out the instant u got ur opponent in a lovely hold.
dscity100 3 years ago
Brazilan ju jitsu was developed by the gracies and they developed it by doing real street fighting. Let me put it this way, they know how to choke you out with using your shirt collar against you.
nemisis0 3 years ago
And Gracie losses from Matt Hughes.
DoradoGate 3 years ago
YOU'RE A DUMB ASS!!!!!
The Kung Fu guy was trying to goug his eyes you dumb ass. Search Karate master vs BJJ the guy was trying to Bite and scratch and eye gouge you dumb shit. I've been in and seen plenty of street and BJJ will destroy any Kung Fu or Karate fighter.
And if you don't believe challenge a BJJ guy to a fight and put it up on youtube.
Ninjuggalo 3 years ago 2
ppl who go around insulting other ppls martial arts r prolly just lazy ass fuks who sits at home n watch 2 much ufc who doesnt even train n u dun gouge ppls eyes when they r standing u hit em with strikes if they get u in sum kind of hold u gouge the eyes to get out youtube fights r bullshit almost all these ppl r just students who started practicing for a few months these fights dun prove shit most likly they r just challenging newbies to fights
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
if you try kung fu shit with ONE person you are gunna get beat unconsios! let alone more than one! and wat makes you think think the ju-jitsu guy isnt gunna bite back? or eye gouge?if you bite a BJJ guy all its gunna do is make him stomp your head a few times after hes choked you out.if thes multiple oponats you run,boxing or muay thai are the best standup arts, learn them not this kung fu rubish.
TheChimeMan 3 years ago
rite thats y ur sittin on ur ass on youtube insulting other martial arts instead of practicing sumthin urself
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
imma kickboxer... thanx bitch.
dscity100 3 years ago
uh i wasnt aiming at u i was aiming at that joselopez guy
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
Look up BlackTaoist. Watch his videos. He will show you real Kung Fu and how it works.
girlsilver999 3 years ago
Yeh i no what you mean but oddly enough jiu jitsu was originally made for self defence in war.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
its a very affective art, but it works best 4 one on one, which oddly enuff, doesnt happen 2 often on the streets.
dscity100 3 years ago
Well yeh it was never made for the "streets" though it was just a form of fighting a soldier would use if he ever needed to. Its kind of stupid when ppl talk about fighting styles in the streets i dont no why people always bring it up. Im mostly about sport. I beleive if in a real unexpected street fight i dont think any styles would work. If its really a life or death situation id do w.e i can to live not just follow a fighting style.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
agreed, i think people just can't accept that bbj is the best fighting style ever, it may not look spectacular or be good for a movie but it works the best. And now let me say something that will really piss people off. Bruce Lee was great, but he is also highly overrated, and so is jit li and jackie chan and all the other movie fighters, if they are so awesome, how come they don't enter the UFC and prove it? i'll tell you why, because they would get their asses kicked, and so would've bruce lee
humblelongboards 3 years ago
mma > bjj
OuterDrake7000 3 years ago
WOW....well said sir well said. I couldnt agree with you more. I cant even explain how annoying it is when ppl bring up bruce lee and how great he was. There isnt even evidence or a video of him proving he was that good.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
i know, just a bunch of edited, choriographed fight scenes in MOVIES, it's like a fish story, it gets bigger each time it's told. Me, I like bruce lee films, but he still never proved himself. I know, people are gonna say "I bet he would've kicked your ass". Maybe... but not if he would've locked up with me
humblelongboards 3 years ago 2
Yeh i no i really dont understand why everyone thinks he was that great. Yeh his movies are fun to watch but its not like he was a great actor or anything. And no one even knows if he was that great of a martial artist either. he gets too much credit with out proof
PankrationGod 3 years ago
He was an undefeated boxer, and defeated martial arts black belts from many styles. he was a proven badass well before he was kato. how do you think he got the part?
kaptainkingofkobras 3 years ago
Who bruce lee? all the undefeated stuff is bull shit. he wasnt a big time boxer and he wasnt a big time martial artist. he wasnt a proven badass. If he is show me a video of him in an actual competition fight. how about all those titles he won show me a video of him winning one. Until then im sorry but i cant say he was a good fighter.
PankrationGod 3 years ago 2
chill out, kid. just look it up yourself no need for me to do it 4 u. sheesh. but remember, we're talking about 1960's China, not 1960's USA. Vids might be hard to find, but they r out there. before videos, people used to keep whats called "written records" weird stuff, u should look into it.
kaptainkingofkobras 3 years ago
yeh i no what writen records are and ive also heard of to much street fighting myths....I must of said it a billion times i know bruce lee was good but is entirely overated from the glamour of his movies. People like you say he was the best ever and could beat anyone today. Even in his books he said he wasnt that great. and has even admitted he wasnt that great and jeet kune do. Everyone gets all hyped on his movies as if there real fights or something.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
"people like me"? when did i ever say that? I understand what u r saying, he was overrated, but so was mike tyson, so is anderson silva. but that doesn't mean any of those people don't deserve respect for pushing themselves to such great heights. all im saying is he was an undefeated boxer. not saying hes undefeatable. but he does deserve respect for everything hes done for the martial arts, both traditionally and in Jeet Kune Do. BEFORE he was Kato. All I'm saying.
kaptainkingofkobras 3 years ago
Well yeh ofcourse and he does get reconition. it gets me very angry though when people even mention bruce lee because to me it seems hes completely over used. Anderson silva isnt overrated yet but he deffently will be. I mean if you think hes overrated now im sure it will get much worse.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
yeah , im sure it will
kaptainkingofkobras 3 years ago
@PankrationGod wow do some researc for you make such a bod statment as Bruce Lee never being in a real fight he won the International tournament in long beach back in the day it was full contact and made a statment that he could beat anyone in under a min. even the hollywood movire producerssaid he would get in random street fights.
Sifujohns 1 year ago
@Sifujohns - Lee was the exception to the rule, he had the physical attributes to make kung fu work but the average guy on the street can't do that. BJJ works for everyone, you don't have to be Bruce lee.
HueyLewisRocks 1 year ago
@HueyLewisRocks while the point is valid that bjj doent require nearly the athletic talent as does kung fu and yes everyone can do bjj - it is still limited with hard streets, closed spaces, weapons, multi attackers etc. especially fighting from guard, can get your skull cracked by a clever opponent
biiloblue5 1 year ago
@Sifujohns : you are correct. Lee was quite well known for fighting when he was young. He also was challenged often by people on the sets of his movies. This is all documented.
MrSuperbombastik 1 year ago
but idk if you can call bjj the best because idk there isnt really a best style. but i will say it is a very excellent style because it can be meshed so easily with lots of other styles. and since its big on leverage and technique it makes it even better
PankrationGod 3 years ago 2
i think there shouldnt be so many styles, the only one that should exist is MMA. Learning all aspects of fighting will always dominate one single style.
paisteorgy 3 years ago
Yes thats a good take on things. I like to think of fighting as fighting and not seperate it to much. I only use styles to categorize the moves and techniques basically.
PankrationGod 3 years ago 2
how well do bjj fighter do against karate,kung fu, or other arts that know BJJ very well. is a striker with good bjj skills better then a pure grappler?
2brianj 3 years ago
depends anything can happen. a striker can get submitted and a submission artist can get knocked out.i would think being well rounded is the best though.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
almost... but i think its backwards. a grappler with good striking skills always wins
linkous5 3 years ago
very true
PankrationGod 3 years ago
dude the kung fu guy is an idiot. if you are going to fight against a BJJ guy in advance learn some BJJ stuff. Im taking some BJJ/grappling classes from my kempo DoJO (our instructor knows BJJ) and Im amazed how the basic rookie stuff could really help or make the fight look better
2brianj 3 years ago
if anyone thinks kung fu is useless look up sifu rudy. he will clear up any misconceptions trust me. but really look him up. i would appreciate the effort to learn because i am also a learner. thanks
DymeHixson 3 years ago
oh snap
bitchfacejones 3 years ago
Maybe they should try to actually spar against a skilled kung-fu person. I can honestly say that I have never been taken to the ground by one of these guys. I do Kung-Fu and you just have to know the right defense techniques. I like it when people shoot in, its just more of an advantage to you.
blueslover777 3 years ago
its not more advantage to you if you have no ground skill like the kung fu fighter in this video.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
Maybe not to you, but is to me. As soon as they shoot in they're risking everything. They're off balance and they're head is right by your legs and knees. I've been taught shaolin grappling, so I'm not a total idiot when it comes to ground fighting.
blueslover777 3 years ago
Your not going to be able to knee someone in the head when they have a good shot on you. when someone shoots in on you your not suppose to know about it. Also even if you know counter techniques there not going to work everytime. This video proves it.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
This video proves nothing more than the kung-fu gentleman isn't skilled in the art of ground fighting. I didn't post this comment for an argument. I don't know how you can say I'm not going to be able to knee somebody when they shoot in. I've done it many times before. I'm not saying shooting doesn't work for people because it obviously works for many. I've never been taken to the ground by a wrestler or by someone in Jiu Jitsu, and I've sparred many. I just know what works for me, so I use it.
blueslover777 3 years ago
well thats why its different from you and the guy in the video hes being tooken down by a person who knows wrestling.
PankrationGod 3 years ago
The arm thing was a bit excessive. It was clear who the winner was without having to break an arm. Honestly, people like that are what consistently scare people away from martial arts. Rather than being able to go to a place where you learn to defend yourself, it's a place that you may meet peopl who would take advantage of someone's vulnerable position (even during practice!) and hurt them. Fact is, due to BJJ's nature it's more easy for a jerk to hurt someone more severely than in other arts.
ninpomasta111 3 years ago
wow. that kung fu guy totally went in with his hands down and everything!!! horrible
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
beside the fact that both of them arent skilled enough yet, the kung fu guy looked so small compared to the BJJ guy
wusta34 3 years ago
WellI think we all expected BJJ tohand KF its ass but the wrestler really was an Ass hole for breaking the stupid kid's arm. Tere are a lot of BJJ academies where some dick head seems to be hell bent on sending even his classmates to the hospital. They will try to jerk the technique so you don't have a chance to tap out. Most of the time if evenly matched you can tap out since you can delay a few seconds. But this guy is definitelly an ass hole
bigtimepimpin666 3 years ago 3
Yeah i hate those guys.
Raging5 3 years ago 2
Are dojo bullies restricted to BJJ? Not at all. Besides, back in the day, challenging someone of anoher art was taken very seriously. If you walked into a dojo and laid down a challenge in front of the students, and were also cokcy and disrespectful, you ran the risk of getting roughed up badly.
I can't tell but I believe this is the video I was told about where the Kung Fu practitioner tried biting. If that is the case, he deserved to have his arm snapped.
nowayjose470 3 years ago
Profound question grasshoper... no ass holes are not limited to BJJ in fact I will have to say I have found more ass holes in other dojos. For that matter you can expect to find assholes in all paths this life may take you. I woud not doubt the Kung Fu guy tried to bite. I do think it is lame to have a big muscle guy take on the punny Kung Fu kid. That's what made BJJ so impressive you had a lenky brasileiro kicking a beefed up fighters ass with no effort
bigtimepimpin666 3 years ago
I always believed assholery was a prerequisite for fighting.
Yes it was impressive watching some 150lb bicep challenged runt destroy anabolic meatsack after anabolic meatsack. One doesn't even have to be that athletically gifted to be effective at BJJ.
BTW I don't typo flame but grassHOPER was pretty funny. My name isn't Bud "Smokey" Green.
nowayjose470 3 years ago
The kung fu guy had a $5000 open challenge. This was a real fight. Pure and simple.
dbertube 3 years ago
Ya but this arent real street fight conditions neither, coz on the streets kung-fu guy could ran away :) j/k
greenG0S 3 years ago
Ya but this arent real street fight conditions neither, coz on the streets kung-fu guy could ran away :) j/k
greenG0S 3 years ago
Neither of them should have been fighting. Was that kid doing the kung fu even beyond the first 3 months of training? He showed such poor form in his one kick that I could have sworn he's just started training. As for the MMA fighter, he didn't have the control to properly do his arm lock without injuring the kid. If I was either of their instructors, I'd have said not to bother with such a ridiculous fight. Neither one was ready for competition. They were both lacking in skill.
xlanciferionx 4 years ago
How the fuck does he suck as a grappler because he broke the kung fu guys arm? He problably is a dick, but we cant say shit, what about if the kung fu guy called him out first? Wither way, nice fucking shoulder crunch.
AZTEC1MAYA4LIFE 4 years ago
How the fuck does he suck as a grappler because he broke the kung fu guys arm? He problably is a dick, but we cant say shit, what about if the kung fu guy called him out first? Wither way, nice fucking shoulder crunch.
AZTEC1MAYA4LIFE 4 years ago
I hope that sound was a special effect and the BJJ guy didn't break the guys arm. There's an unwritten rule in this sort of thing that we fight but don't set out to permantly cripple each other.
SeeingBeauty 4 years ago