Bilawal IS NOT a bhutto.. BILAWAL IS A ZARDARI ..and he knows who killed his mom but DOES NOT CARE!!... He couldn't care then.. he will never do anything good for Pakistan.. he will turn Pakistan into ruins. ...but that shouldn't e surprising since HE IS A ZARDARI!
How is this democracy ? 19 year old kid to lead pakistan.. all becuase he is the son of benizer bhutto ... and yet all you hear PPP is speak about democraacy.
where is Guinness world record collector?? here is another world record holder waiting for you youtube per sub se ziyada Galiyaan khane walla Mota Pig!! non other then Bilawan Zardari + Sharmila Farooqi + Molvi!!!
A dog is barking nothing more.Who gave you right to talk about Pakistan.Baster you have your everything abroad.You never lived in Pakistan.Even you do,t know how to live in Islamic society . do u know how to pay bills in Pakistan? do you know how to admit a child in school? etc. these are very minor things (sale) you do,t know anything about ground realities in Pakistan. how you ll lead people of Pakistan? its better for u to live in London or go hel to ur selfish Grandfather, Mother and uncles.
Bilawal: 1. That harvard education didn't get you anywhere 2. There is NO VOICE for the poor, you obviously haven't talked to the poor. 3. Learn some damn urdu. 4. You look like an evil harry potter. 5. Get a hair-cut.
Lul leni da. Phuddi k pehle Urdu ka aakcent tu seekh lay. Lanti k bachaay Parhtay England America mein hain, Bolte English Hain aand Madarchod Pakistan ki baat karte hain. OYE KISI Behnchod kay bachaay Bund mein daal apni PPP And Fucking Bastaard Benezeir Bhutto... Revolution is Coming...
Jaysa BAAP whysa beta,,,,,,,,,,,PPP sirf Azeem Bhutoo ki thi ab..........sab KUTTY hain es main.....Benzir ko marwa k Zardari Sadar bana........Sadar ban k KUTTA Pakistan ki ma behn ek kar raha hai..........es Kutty ka Pilla Bil (Bilawal) Pakistan aya too ye bi SALA boly ga PAKISTAN KHAPPY KHAPPY KHAPPY...........so Zardari Pakistan pey KEHAR ban k aya hai hum nahi chahty k es ka Pilla Bilawal b es Pak zameen ka khoon choosny aye..........Jooty maro salon ko......Pakistan Zindaabad
Whole Bhutto family was born just to rule us and nearly all of them dead and now this khinzeer and khinzeer jo puttar has taken over the party. None of them lived or educated in Pakistan and none of them can speak urdu properly.
Son of a Cunt..... Mother fucker..................... He will do more corruption than his mother and father..... He's educated and definitely he knows more ways to swindle..... Why don't you just die with your dad and give us lil bit peace.
we are not slaves of the these feudal lords we will not be ruled by them if all of us vote sensibly and for the right person people like this can't come in power
OMG Worst urdu, its like hes taking the piss out of pakistani's in front of them....
I dont think PPP will win in next election unless pakistani are dumb enough to do vote for them. Pakistan didnt have problems before such as raise in food,petrol,crime like violence etc when Parvez Musaraf was in preseident seat. People say he killed Nazir bhutto but zardari didnt even investigate on his wife, why is that? - did he kill her? - Only he who done it knows and Allah (s.w.t) Knows. Peace 2all salaam
inshallah you will not become a pakistani president or PM,no more no more zardari curropt blood,,you and your dad should find of your mom and wife killer,,zardari enjoy presidentship on wife blood ,,shame on you
how dare he say Bismillah. That entire elite family in Pakistan is satanic and they now it. He's a terrible speaker and person. And his urdu sucks. And his English makes him sound gay.
being a chairman of PPP, this Brat didn't even visit pak when pakistan was struck by this catastrophe (flood). why should a british be caring of pak nation,he was bought up in palaces of dubai and UK,he dont even know the names of cities in pakistan, he can't even speak urdu properly,and he is trying to prove that he is a patriot. this boy is a FAKE bhutto,,and gonna make pak even worst as what his EVIL father is currently doing,,SWISS banks ki tijoriyan bharo or wapis england nikal lo.
CANT SPEECH URDU. . HE WILL GOING TO LEAD THE COUNTRY. .Pakistani are the biggest fool. .Do he know what is the problems of the country. .Wake up guys. .They dnt deserve even a penny supoort. .
@htowndesi1 Wow, it gave pleasure to my dick that you are still remembering me. Come on my darling this time I will use some lubricant before inserting in your glorious ass… (And also use condom now) By the way why should I look at Zardari and family? you may fuck their asses as long as you can!!! But your glorious is only for me... I heard the rumors that you are offering your ass to every Pathan, if this is true then very bad… please don’t do that my darling! Did I not satisfy you earlier?
@htowndesi1 hahahaheha..... you told your own story dude.... remember me i was the man who fucked you hard and since then you become HIV positive.... now you are justifing your AIDS issue like that as you said.......... chikney come to me again now you will be fucked by talban.... hahahahahaha
you and your faimly even doesnt love pakistan's [P] this is our country not your if i found you in england you wont be able to speak fucker,your mother/father fucked our country now its enough this day wont come that you are dreaming for,we wear two shoes in our feets,you will give roti/kapra/makan this is an old dialogue of your grand dad, i am so sorry to ZA bhutto,he was the man,a petriot,person who loved pakistan,you fucker are hipocrate
You retards don't deserve to be "self-proclaimed" chairmans' of the PPP
The only person that PPP truly belonged to was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto! I feel sorry that Zufiqar worked so hard for Pakistan and to build this party, only, to see it in ruins now!
Zardari & Bilawal need to make a new party of their own called PLP (Pakistan's Lying Party)
LOL Bilawal, you need to stop over-reacting! You can't be like Zulfiqar, not even .1% close to him!!!!
politics aside, Bilawal beyta, are u muslim? it is pronounced Bismillah ir Rehman ir Raheem. and it is Bhayon, not payon. Learn how to say Bismillah first before attempting to rule the biggest and most powerful Islamic nation on Earth.
i want to hit my computer screen to stop this stupid kid, he is goin to be a murderer robber and seller of PAKISTAN's people we need revolution to overthrow these black sheeps.I WANT BRITIAN TO TAKEOVER DIEING PAKISTAN amin
when benzair spoke with her...weird urdu all paakistani thought , she was cute...but buddy bilawal...you are ruining the show.. at least start speaking urdu with neutral Pakistani accent....you sound so dam mummy dady.....and fuit cake !!
All of them are a bunch of liars and faggots!!!in pakistan politics is carried on by names only,like the bhutto family.
And wud like to add one more thing,the british or american born pakistanis are the worst ,thing they can change ,but first wud ve to change themselves.
to kia ab is chutiya ne bhi bari leni hy pakistanio ko lootney ki, in gandoonon ko yehi qaum mili hy kia? waisey pakistanio ka bhi ilag hy, pehley in ghaleez dhokey baaz bazari logo ko kandhey pe uttha kar phirtey hain aur baad main ser pe haath rakh ker rotey hain. is stage secerty ko to dekho koi bandey aur khotey ki darmiyani si nasal lagti hy. in ko na urdu aati hy aur na yeh pakistani hain lekun yeh hum per kakumat karen ge ye teh hy. Allah hamarey gunah muaf farma.. Ameen
Remember, in this life u can play as u want, but in the next life ..good luck .
Next, learn ur mother's tongue becuz u don't know how to speak urdu clearly.
Next, don't forget ur haloween parties with whites bitches wah ji wah !! we will have a cool prime minister who kisses the bitches in toilet ! Ass hole
Think before u act stupid moronic !
pakistan can risk now becuz of u & ur father & ur party
first of all, no one can't be like the first prime minister of our country : Muhammad Ali Jinnah (Allah bless him)
who are u ? u even don't know anything about life . U don't care about pakistan , just u trying to replace ur mother's place , if u caring about pakistan so try to stay without waters, foods, gas, without home ,electricity, jobs & etc..
From my experiences from Pakistan, it is a country not worth pissing on, let alone living. Yeah that's harsh, but blunt. Pakistanis settled overseas are quick to favor Pakistan over the country that provides them everything that Pakistan does not. I only wish that US, UK and Europe throw these idiots out. 20 years from now, Pakistan will remain a corrupt country, poor will be poorer and rich will be richer. No wonder that a large number are keen on migrating to western countries.
The judicial system is screwed up, and the only people who vote are the underpriviliged ones. The priviliged do not even see it worth their while to vote. Moreover, the religion has to be separated from politics. Turkey is a good example of that and it is a Muslim country. Unless the income disparity between the poor and rich is diminished, there will be the vulutures of politics will benefit themselves and there remains no accountabaility.
On a separate note, what is wrong with Bilawal having a good time as a 21 year old? I do not see him fit for being a leader of Pakistan, but then again who in Pakistan is really fit to be a leader? Zardari? Benazir? Sharif Clan? Elahi Clan? Musharraf? Imran Khan? MQM? Do you see the problem? The power system in Pakistan is lope-sided. Human capital prefers to get out of the country and take better opportunities. People of Pakistan continue to elect these clans, they deserve poverty and misery.
Absolutely nothing wrong with him having a good time if he was a normal teenager (as in no one would give a damn)
As someone who has hopes to rule Pakistan, if he has: zero contact with Pakistanis, doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the culture, has non-Pakistani friends, has been educated outside Pakistan...
Do you see the problem? Pakistan may be in a poor state, it doesn't mean we don't try to improve ourselves and criticise our leaders.
I am not doubting anything you say about Bilawal and his attendance of social or religious events. I am just wondering what in the world makes you think that you are an elite? Is this only because you are attending Oxford? Honestly, who cares?
Frankly, the likes of Oxford and Cambridge produce plenty of intellectual waste along with the intellectual capital. I suggest you recheck the Oxford Complex. It will serve you well when you enter the real world outside of academia.
You presume I intended arrogance when I called the Muslims/Pakistanis at Oxford the elites of our societies - there was none intended. For me, Islam is the most important thing in my life, and Allah tells us that he who exhibits arrogance will not even be given another look on the Day of Judgement.
Let's be frank: my point here wasn't that we have an inherent superiority about us. It was about saying that yes, in worldly terms with regards to education, connections and future prospects ...
Oxfordians are generally better poised to become leaders of their societies, with the Will of Allah for nothing happens without it. Elite in worldly terms, yes. That's not to say others don't have the capability to achieve greatness - most of my best friends don't study at Oxford, and some can easily put the 'intellectual waste' here to shame. But, the track record of British (and Pakistani) premiers and leaders who have studied here shows...
... that yes, Oxbridge does produce an "elitist" class of people. That's a neutral adjective. Furnish a better one that still encompasses what I'm trying to say if you can.
So yes, elite in worldly terms. Few would argue with that. Elite in moral and spiritual terms? No. Only God is the judge of that.
I extended that point by saying if Bilawal isn't willing to communicate with any of the Pakistanis here, what hope do 180 million in Pakistan have of earning his compassion?
You assume arrogance when your post reeks of disdain. Maybe you've met unpleasant people from Oxford, there certainly are arrogant ones, but the fact youd generalise that & assume were all from rich backgrounds with a free ticket into the university & know nothing of the world shows that youre the one with the complex.
Most of us worked our way in. I wont be apologetic. It is a fantastic university, one of the best in the world. I thank God every day that Ive been given the privilege.
Mali- Stop sugar coating things. You are in a fortunate position to be born in a family that is probably at least a middle class to upper middle class, and hence a shot at Oxford.
Leaving religion alone, the elite Oxfordion politicians you speak of have raped Pakistan left and right. Hopefully, you will change the recent track record. I am not picking on your institution, simply the mindset that it promotes and subconsciously you become part of this so-called elitism, as you put it.
I was fortunate enough to be born in a family where my parents pushed me from childhood and instilled in me a responsibility to always try harder - stop being a moron and assuming things about me. I have very humble origins, and as I said, I thank Allah every day for giving me the amazing opportunity to study where I am.
People like you justify their inability to get into top universities by assuming only posh, upper-class people stand a shot.
With regards to Oxfordian politicians, my course has nothing whatseoever to do with politics. And I don't have any intentions of being a politician. But I will echo your sentiments and hope the same Insh'Allah. I hope Bilawal and other people at Oxford hoping to be politicians learn that the millions of people they may one day lead are not cattle.
From where I'm standing, reservoid, you're the one with the superiority complex here... I don't see myself as better than anyone else. You, on the other hand, find sport in passing moment-by-moment judgements on someone you've never met... So sad.
Oh God! Oh how old are you? Not that it matters, I have an undergrad and postgrad from Harvard and and last time I checked it seems to be quite a reputable institution. I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling.
And now you refer to your humble beginnings and yet refer yourself subtly to be posh. See, I assume you grew up in Pakiland and I can sense the slave mentality. You prove my point, plenty of inetellectual waste is produced by Oxford.
On a quick note, I just laughed so hard when you referred to my inability to enter a top uni. I could not help but to stare at y diplomas hanging from the wall reminding me that I, too was part of that elite clan. Lol! Thank you for reminding me that I am an elite, too. I have the biggest cheesiest smile on my face.
I am glad politics is not your line of work. You will suck at it, you cannot even write half a page without contradictions.
Glad to see you went to Harvard and have diplomas hanging on the wall. I'm wondering why you think you felt the need to mention diplomas? Saying you went to Harvard would have been enough. But I know that wouldn't have been possible on your own merit. Obviously, you come from an advantageous family background which facilitated your entry into Harvard: I would say middle or upper class? You're fortunate that allowed you to get into Harvard.[/sarcasm]
Imagine if I was being serious? That would, from where I'm standing, be one of the most irritating things someone could say to me. Particularly because I know how hard I have worked to get to this University. For some stranger to then automatically assume things about my background and how my entry into it wasn't due to my own merit but my family circumstances would be enough to inflame anyone.
This is one of the reasons why seeing Bilawal at Oxford annoys me.
Then you started with further assumptions: my background, of which you know nothing about. You used that to make still FURTHER assumptions, after I'd specifically told you: please stop assuming! 'I assume you grew up in Pakiland' (NB: It's PakiSTAN).
The way to win any sort of debate or argument isn't by assuming things and then basing your arguments and conclusions off those assumptions (particularly when I've told you they aren't true).
You may feel I have a slave mentality: and yet, from where I'm sitting, you're the one who feels they have to prove they have diplomas (pluralised?) hanging from the wall and they're a Harvard graduate. Why's that? The ONLY reason I mentioned I'm an Oxford student was so I could tell the Pakistanis here who are supporting Bilawal that he doesn't give a damn about them. That he doesn't mix with any Pakistani in Oxford. That he drinks, goes clubbing and has never been seen within a mile...
... of a mosque or Friday prayers. If he's hoping to lead the ISLAMIC Republic of PAKISTAN, he really, really needs to change his habits and attitude.
Finally, please don't bring the age difference here. You may be 30, and I may be 19, but trust me, you've not written ONE SENTENCE from a position of any sort of added wisdom or moral superiority. I've called names. And you've been deeply offensive by suggesting silly things about which you have no knowledge.
And finally, I don't refer to myself as posh anywhere reservoid. I said people like *YOU* assumed I'm posh and that's why I'm at Oxford. Not for any other reason (like my own brain!). Realistically, as a 30 year old Harvard graduate, why do on earth do you keep assuming things? It's deeply arrogant (something you accused me of earlier). I've not even assumed that you're a Pakistani, and here you're assuming nonsense about my entire life and background? Are you really 30?
Please, do point out the *contradictions* in anything I've said. I have humble backgrounds and I am where I am through the grace of God and my hard work. If I *was* a contradictory person, I would make an excellent politician. Or do you believe they're all honest?
Kiddo! Politicians are diplomatic, not necessarily contradictory. I was right, you act like an imbecile. Let's see, my family is filthy rich, I was born in US, I went to private schools vs. public schools and all of that played a part in my admission to Harvard. I am an investment banker that makes more than 80% of American population. You assumed that I would have never gotten into Oxford.
The fact is anyone with money can get in these institutions.
Moreover, I am certain you went to a private school in Pakiland. Your parents probably did send you to an expensive private school by Pakistani standards. They were able to do that because they could afford it.
Some poor kid from village, especially in Pakistan did'nt have the same opportunities or the exposure. In the US, you can be poor but still have a shot at Ivy league schools. In Pakiland, if you are poor, forget Oxford, you be lucky to have high school diploma.
One more thing, stop bringing religion in everything. When states and religion are intermingled, you get a disaster. About Bilawal, he is not better than any one of you in Pakistan. He is also an elite, just like you are.
As soon as you are back in Pakiland, the corrupt system will not let you get ahead. Though Bilawal is an inexperienced kid, why are you so hung up on his religious affairs? Hopefully, Oxford will help your grow up.
Excuse my sarcasm on the matter before. It turns out I was right without meaning to be: YOU did get into Harvard because of your family. But just because YOU did, don't assume EVERYONE else did. I won't lay out my whole personal life story out for your inspection; my experiences and perspectives are wholly different than yours. I told you, the most important factors for me getting into University was the grace of God and my upbringing which had always instilled in me the desire to be the best.
My environment, believe it or not, is not similar to yours: my family isn't filthy rich, I wasn't born in the UK, and I didn't spend my childhood in private schools.
So, for some stranger to then automatically assume their situation applies to everyone suggests insecurity I'm afraid, or a perceived lack of intelligence in themselves. Are you threatened by those people who made it into a top university on their own merits and not because of their family background?
Does that make you feel less intelligent because you feel if it wasn't for your family's wealth, you wouldn't be in Harvard? Does it shake the foundations of your self-esteem reservoid?
I would urge you to stop generalising and assume someone's experiences always fit the stereotype. Fortunately, it isn't true, and moreover, it makes you look naive. What I am is the sum total of my experiences, beliefs and values. Those are totally different than your experiences, beliefs and values.
You can't assume yours apply to me, or to anyone else just because I'm in a similar position to you.
Lastly: Islam is a source of strength for me. So I won't stop bringing religion into everything. Secondly, this isn't a religious issue. It's a legal issue. Pakistan is an Islamic country, with Islamic laws and Islamic traditions. Its Constitution stiuplates that its leader must be a good Muslim (and avod a specific bunch of sins). Moreoever, its raison d'être is Islam.
A secular nation is not something that the majority of its population want. If Bilawal was a normal person, I wouldn't care about him. But he has hopes to rule Pakistan, and so, these aspects of his life are important with regards to his ability to administer an Islamic nation: if he has already exhibited corruption, if he has already shown that he can drink himself silly, and won't associate with Pakistanis/Muslims I'm afraid that's incompatible with being the PM/Premier of Pakistan.
Yeah, you are right, I am an idiot, who would have not made it to any higher institution. You, on the other hand, have single-handedly defied all the odds and got admitted to Holy grail Oxford. Lol!
It is retards like you that I hate hiring as assistants. You obviously do not admit or deny your middle/upper middle class background. You are right, God did play a part, you were born in a family that was able to afford you a decent education. I'll cut you a slack, you are young and stupid, Its ok.
"I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling."
And now, you're pretty much dishing out the insults. Have I really offended you that much? Or are you a bit flustered at how I have categorically pointed out how blatantly wrong you are? Because one who has nothing else to say quickly resorts to insults, which is what you are doing.
Fortunately, I am not as immature as you place me to be.
In an argument with a 30 year old, it's the 19 year old who's managed to stay civil. Never mind. I expect little else from you: you see, from the very start, everything you've done has been extremely arrogant.
I have a deep connection with Pakistan, and I hope, Insh'Allah that it will rise above the problems it currently faces. When I think of someone like Bilawal in the pipelines of the Presidency, it makes me shudder.
Bilawal personifies everything that is wrong with Pakistan's leaders: he has zero connection with the people, he doesn't speak the language, doesn't appreciate the culture, religion or mindset of the people. If he were to ever rule Pakistan, he would always have one foot outside the country, much like his father does.
For me, it is important to make people aware of what this individual is like. Many people post on these videos thinking that Bilawal is in Oxford representing Pakistan...
... Or that he has an affinity with his country and people. It isn't the case! Unfortunately for these people, they will continue to believe what they do because they cannot see what I have seen.
That was my aim in posting on this video. Otherwise, what possible reason do I have in speaking about him? Otherwise, what possible reason do I have in speaking about him? I have zero interest in spreading false lies and rumours, and nor would it do me any good, particularly from a religious POV.
But, from where I'm standing, it is absolute agony thinking that we may end up with another incompotent leader in the future; maybe if I post something here, it changes one person's mind. They go and don't vote for PPP. I still think my effort will have been worthwhile.
You saw my comment, and it deeply affected you in some way. This is absolutely obvious from the way you picked up on ONE sentence in a long post, and have spent the last week going round and round in circles with me.
Your very first post was laden with insult - you automatically judged me, assumed you knew my entire life story based on the fact that I attended Oxford, and from a position of extreme weakness and stubbornness, continued to defend your stance and insist you knew things about my life when you don't even know the most BASIC things about me. When I refuted each of your claims, you became more and more aggressive, angrier and abusive.
You need to sit down and examine why you have such a problem with what I'm saying. Is it really because I won't lie to you, and tell you I'm filthy rich? Or is it, actually, maybe because there ARE some people in the world who can achieve the same things you have from a background which is lower than yours?
The fact of the matter is, I don't know you - you seriously cannot expect me to lay out my whole life story in front of you. I have already told you enough.
I *have* CATEGORICALLY said that I am NOT from a filthy rich family. I have told you, I wasn't born in the UK, and I haven't spent my entire childhood in some private school.
My position in life is extremely different from yours. Yes, in relative terms, I am far more privileged than a poor person in Pakistan, Mash'Allah, but the type of elite and upper class you are trying to lump me in is SERIOUSLY not true for me. Try and understand this.
Compared to poor Pakistanis, yes, as I said before, I'm VERY fortunate, Mash'Allah, but even the POOREST person in the UK would be more fortunate than the poor in Pakistan (in terms of material wealth). From the viewpoint of BRITISH Society though, I have absolutely worked my way to Oxford. Allah blessed me, my parents supported me, and my own hard work and perseverance got me where I am.
I didn't 'single-handedly' defy the odds; I had things going my way; I was fortunate in many regards. But it still doesn't detract from the fundamental issue:
If money and being upper class was all it took, you'd see 100% of people in Oxford//Cambridge/Harvard with that background. That isn't the case (at least not in Oxford and Cambridge).
There are many people who went through the state system who have got in on their own merit. It's ironic because you were accusing me of being arrogant, having an 'Oxford complex' but in reality, you have a very arrogant streak in you. You are seemingly incapable of comprehending that someone from a low background can also make their way to the top!
For cyring out loud, kid. This is not the end of the world, stop writing essays. You still cannot admit one thing, and that is the fact that since you are bit more priviliged over a poor Pakistani. That bit of a privilege provides an edge. There is nothing wrong with it, you will be stupid if you do not use that edge. My god! why most of the kids who grow up in Pakiland suffer from tunnel vision? It usually takes a decade for someone like you to see the light. You will, its matter of time.
Of course it's not the end of the world, but you keep replying and it's curious because I almost get the feeling
Before I do say something else, please explain:
1) Why do you keep saying Pakiland? That's an offensive and derogatory term. You're an investment banker, Harvard graduate, 30-year old individual, who has grown up in the USA. So why on earth are you being deliberately and repeatedly offensive to a nation of 180 million people? The correct term is Pakistan.
The connotations associated with 'Pakiland' are deliberately insulting.
2) The contradictions in anything I'm saying (you accused me of being contradictory a few days ago, and then mysteriously side-stepped the subject when I proved nothing I'd said was contradictory).
3) Explain to me why you're being offensive and are name-calling when you say a few days ago to me:
"I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling."
I have said that I am more fortunate than many people, but whereas you are suggesting the sole reason for my getting into University was my privileged background, I am fiercely denying that and stating my roots are very humble from the perspective of British society (from the Pakistani POV, even having three meals on your table is fortunate, so that's a silly comparison to make).
In the US, American born Pakistani's refer to Pakistan as Pakiland as a slang or in a way that a parent may nickname their child. As you never lived here, you would'nt know. You can continue to take everything I say out of context and I am amused by your tantrum. You are trying so hard to win an argument which does not even exist. To be brief, Pakiland is not an offensive term so stop being dramatic. On a brighter note, you learned something new. Instead of writing an essay, try being succinct.
Do you typically use US slang in your conversations? Because I'm sure you could then fill your conversation with slang to make it nearly incomprehensible for me... Instead you keep using 'Pakiland'...
Anyway never mind. I'm not trying hard to win anything reservoid. I'm tring to get answers (which is why I ask about a million questions in my posts that you overlook).
You've accused me of a few things, contradicted yourself on a few others and have maintained a dialogue for the last week, which wouldn't be the case if you're really as blasé about the whole conversation as you make out to be...
What's really curious is that you keep replying (maybe to have the last word), but won't touch upon the numerous inconsistencies you have shown... Strange and sad.
I speak the way I speak. When I say Pakiland, I figured most would know what I am referring to. I am not sure what questions you are posing? I did not see anything particularly worth answering. Frankly, I knew after two posts that you grew up in Pakiland. It is always easy to tell the difference between the ones who grew up there, it is the way you folks conversate and argue. To answer you question, my parents are Pakistani. I consider myself American first with Pakistani heritage.
Honestly, I get a kick out of this. You take great pains to go and copy and paste my comments and try to somehow prove a point. Seriously, who gives a crap? Hate it or love it, Pakistan will be a worse place than in 20 years. Sure, I admire your Paki patriotism, but without US and world Aid, Pakistan is a failed state. Just make sure you have a foreign passport to flee if it ever comes to it. A million dollar advice for free. I reply cuz in a sick way I enjoy your kiddish tantrums. They amuse me
For a 30 year old Harvard graduate, you make a lot of mistakes, contradictions, assumptions and inconsistencies. You're right: no one gives a crap; probably why you're wasting your time here...
Usually, I feel sad listening to people complain about Pakistan as if it's the worst country on earth. But, in a strange way, I'd rather you DID dissociate from it. It's a wonderful country, with beautiful people, and certainly doesn't need patriots like you who don't have even a shred of respect for the 180 million people ('not worth pissing on?') who call it their home.
There are plenty of others, including myself, who are eager to take it forward without your approval =)
Well, it is your home, not mine so you should continue on with it. I am a patriot, I will bear arms for the United States in a minute. I am an American before anything else so I do not need to distance myself from something I was never attached to. Btw, stop addressing me as a 30 year old, I never said that I was 30. Anyway, I am certain if US opened its doors today, more than half of Pakistan will migrate. I do not blame em. Oh well!!!
What is your age then? (You have 30 on your profile page). I address you with information YOU make publicly available (unlike you, who approach me with assumptions based on your whims).
Anyhow, it's good you love your country. I have lived in 5-6 countries, and I love them all (ESPECIALLY Britain) but Pakistan is in my blood, and I pray for it everyday Insh'Allah. As I said before, you insult Pakistan with the filthiest terms so I am glad you have nothing to do with it.
One day, you may realise the value of that country and culture which you think is not even worth 'pissing on, and perhaps it'll be too late, but I sincerely do hope you do repent from the arrogance and scorn you have shown here.
By the way, you complimented Turkey before - nothing to complement here. They have drifted too far the OTHER way (i.e. wearing a hijab in government buildings is illegal). That's equally bad for democracy and human rights as a Taliban style mentality.
I notice that you continue to put a religious twist in everything. Do you know that Islamically, culture really does not even count for anything? Everyone is under Muslim Ummah? Now I said that Pakistan aint worth pissing on, in terms of living. I stand behind that statement, and why are you such a hardliner? Why do you think that I should value something that you value, such as Pakistan. If you value it so much, stop spending your money in tuition and boarding in UK, go back to Pakiland
and spend your money in a Pakistani institution so it can be a contributory factor. It is easy to talk, but hard to walk the walk. When you say Turkey has gone the other way, at least they apply the law equitably. The President's wife wears Hijab and is not to enter state gala's. Imagine if law was equitable in Pakistan? It will never happen. I can go back and buy a fake degree, a cop and the law. Is this the value set I want my kids exposed to? Definitely, NOT!
Islamically, I believe there is brotherhood amongst all Muslims. That's not to say culture is irrelevant. But if I started being jingoistic and feeling superior just because I am Pakistani, that is problematic because it breeds arrogance & segregation.
Also, I said I'm GLAD you have nothing to with Pakistan. Your secular views & rejection of Pakistani/Islamic values ("what is wrong with Bilawal having a good time as a 21 year old?") is as cancerous to Pakistan as a Taliban style mentality.
You've said you don't think Pakistan is likely to improve, which is why I'm glad you don't have anything to do with Pakistan. You should stick to the US: in 20 years time, your kids may have grown up into ideal American citizens with American values. Look forward to that.
Turkey applies *injustice* equitably. It is unjust to tell your people what they can & cannot wear if you proclaim yourself to be secular (and Turks can't even use the 'against our culture' argument that France uses).
Dude, I can totally see you blowing up planes and trains. I think we have a fundamentalist in making. What do you know about American Values? You make it seem like Pakistani Values are the best. Who are you to judge values or even Bilawal. Thanks for labelling me a secular. You can label Bilalwal as a bad Muslim. Do you see a trend here? In real life, are you really this thick headed? Do you feel that you can label and impose your opinions on others? Ok kid, I am done here. Intellectual Waste!
I condemn the Taliban as cancerous. Also, where did I judge American values? I made a neutral comment, your paranoid mind assumed I was being offensive. In fact, you're the one who came up with the "Is this the value set I want my kids exposed to?" rubbish. YOU insulted the values of MY country - I did NOT say ANYTHING about yours.
I didn't label you as secular, you did: "stop bringing religion in everything. When states and religion are intermingled, you get a disaster."
... PARTIES, DOESN'T MINGLE WITH PAKISTANIS & DOESN'T KNOW URDU OR PAKISTANI CULTURE. My argument is about him being incompatible with ruling Pakistan & NOT the depth of his iman.
Finally, I have not imposed anything. Rather I have freely told you to follow YOUR value set. I have NOT criticised your country. I have NOT criticised your values. YOU started with the 'fundamentalist' 'imbecile' 'imposing opinions' nonsense.
You are quick to accuse & judge & then resort to insults when proven wrong
Hold on, when I say factually true things about Pakistan, it is an insult? If truth is an insult, then let it be. I was not going to reply but I could not resist the temptation. The way I see it, you cannot name one and I mean one single politician in Pakistan who is fit to be a ruler and supposedly a good Muslim, that you want Bilawal to be. I personally sat down in Paki embassy in DC and saw Mr. Sharif and Gilani having some expensive wine. It is easier for you to pinpoint Bilawal, because he
he is close in age with you and goes to same campus. With the exception of not speaking Urdu with fluency, he is not better than any other leader. It is admirable for you to be patriotic, but it is foolish to not accept the facts. If it acts like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, you call it a duck. I say it again, if given the opportunity a large majority of Pakistanis will leave Pakistan in a heart beat and I know that you have at least this much sense to accept that. Y is that?
When you say 'Pakistan isn't worth pissing on' that is an insult. You nitpicked a few bad things about Pakistan & said that these values aren't ones you'd expose your kids to. Why even go there? Have I said anything negative about American values? You accused me of being judgemental but which one of us has been insulting?
But, I agree with you. Currently, no leader of Pakistan is a good Muslim. I like Imran Khan, because he's better than the rest, but even he isn't perfect. I recognise that.
You see, Pakistan is not in a sorry state now. It has been in a sorry state since it's very creation. It is a country that is Islamic only when it needs to be. Every leader from Jinnah, Ayub Khan, Bhutto and Musharraf all drank to say the least. I insist that things that I mentioned is not nitpicking. How is a country worth living when you do not even have safety of your life. Mark my words, Pakistan is now a puppet country. They can never contain Taliban. The lack the resources and the will.
As for the awareness in youth, it looks good on paper but they are too busy fucking whores and drinking too. I was a visiting speaker at LUMS. Again, I admire anyone who has love for their country, as they should. But wake up, the poor has remained poor and the rich has remained rich since Pakistan's creation. This is not progress.
Even the youth like yourself prefer to go overseas. You said in your posts that there are any Pakis that went to government schools and made it to Oxford or Ivy leagues. What are the statistics? Does an Aithcisonian, LUMS alumni, LGS or the likes stand a better chance? Absolutely. Now 80% of Pakistanis cannot afford that sort of education. How is one to be admitted, if he cannot even pass ESL? I know you are smart enough to understand this.
Therefore, money, the ultimate granddaddy of the capitalistic world did play a part in both of our lives, whether you admit it or not. You write eloquently, your vocab is pretty decent for a 19 year old. Yes, I am actually complienting you, but please be smart enough to recognize things as they are. Majority of us are selfish, its animalistic nature. Most of us will do what is best for us, it is easy to beat the patriot drum. A lot hard to dance to the beat of that drum. I'm jst glad to be in NY
Lastly, you say, that if leaders are bad doesnt mean you accept them. Hello!!! For last 63 years, you have been accepting them, how else did they get in power? The only way you move forward is to empower the poor through education. You and I know damn well, we would not be bending over backwards to send our servants kids to private schools for them. Do you get it? This is all unislamic, Pakistan is a big fat lie when it comes to Islam. Just be glad that you are in UK and enjoy the ride.
Perhaps I should clarify: I've spent about two years of my life in Pakistan on a permanent basis. Apart from that, I go back every year. The rest of my life has been spent in various countries. So you see, I am not one of those people who isn't thankful for being in this great place that I am now. I told you this from day 1. I am not a hypocrite who blasts Britain and still derives benefit from it. I love this country.
I have absolutely admitted there is a problem: there has been a problem since its inception. If Jinnah had lived a few more years, perhaps he could have left a more expansive infrastructure after him. What else shall I say? Yes, no leader has been a true Muslim. Nor is Pakistan's foreign policy reflective of Islam. Nor is the way its leaders run the country, or its people treat each other reflective of Islam. You're right.
What do we do then? Do we sit and twiddle our thumbs? I won't.
I also know several students (some of them grad. students who were born in America) here at Oxford who love Pakistan. I know several others, international students from various cities in Pakistan who have the most passionate desire to go back and lend their skill-set to various uplift projects (many of them female!).
Yes - there is a significant portion of youth who lives for Star Plus, who screw around, who look on their culture and Pakistaniat as backwards and want to be White.
But, there is also a significant portion that does not - Pakistan has a vibrant media, even the poorest knows what is going on. It has an informed populace, a judiciary that is for once showing some backbone. You may not see it but I definitely do.
As I said, you are free to shrug off Pakistan - I won't. I look at Pakistan, and in terms of infrastructure, development, GDP and other indicators it is better than many other countries which have had a LOT more to work with.
Clearly, Pakistanis are a resourceful people if given the right stimulus. A few years ago, I was in Baag-e-Jinnah in Lahore. I saw a man who had made his own 1/4 scale HELICOPTER flying it in with a remote control. It sounds ludicrous, but you don't think that type of intelligence can be harnessed? It's not as if the potential/ability isn't there.
I just got back from Pakiland after a brief trip. Wow! that place has hit the shitpot. It is is much terrible shape that I originally thought it to be. I spoke with some influential politicans as I am advising the government of Pakistan on financial matters. The policy makers were more worried about how it would benefit them in revoting vs. the public. I said it before, I say it again, I am appalled and I see absolutely no future for Pakistan. I only feel bad for the people.
How can this KID whose only qualification is his parentage talk about democracy? He is the heir of a dynasty who has never experienced the lack of roti, kapda or makaan due to his parents' raping of the national resources. Not to mention the hypocrisy of him talking about Pukhtunkhwa when his family never broke the "proud tradition" of governing Pashtuns under the oppressive rules of the British. Shame on the PPP! Only when parties get internal democracy will Pakistan get real democracy.
BILAWAL BHUTTO ZARDARI, EITHER WAY ALL MOTHERFUCKERS.
SHAHEED SHAHEED SHAHEED i AM REALLY SICK OF PEOPLE WHO USE THIS WORD FOR WRONG PEOPLE.
NONE OF THEM DIED FOR ANYTHING, BUT THEIR OWN GREED.
ALL PAKISTANI POLITICIANS ARE KILLING MY HOMELAND, IF WE ALL LISTEN TO THEIR BULLSHIT, THERE WILL BE NOTHINGLEFT AND THESE BASTARDS WILL BE GONE LIVING IN COUNTRIES, WHERE THEY HID OUR STOLEN MONEY.
PAKISTAN WILL BE LUCKY IF ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE OUT
AUR KITINI GAAND MAARNI HE PAKISTAN KI, AUR AWAM KI. ENOUGH BULL SHIT, CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE.
Bilwal FIRST LEARN YOUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE, IN WHICH YOU CAN COMMUNICATE MASSES, ALSO COME DOWN TO OUR LEVEL SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR REAL PROBLEMS.
WE HAD ENOUGH , HOW MUCH MORE, KUCH TO KHUDA KA KHAUF KARO.
THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN MY HOME LAND, HOW MUCH MORE YOU GUYS WANT TO FUCK.
kiya ho raha he o kiya hoga pakistan ka yaar....bilawal tumhe kiya ye pata he ke jume (friday) ki nimaaz me rakaat kitnay hotay he?? leave yaar these politictions are just increasing their accounts zero nothing duing anything 4 pakistan
i agree with u Amirkhan122 :( wat hardship ? in ramzan there was no electricity from sehri till iftar ??? and he is talking abt " we inherited the party or power " ... go live outside pakistan go go go
Ary yar tumjey tu urdu tak nahi ati,,,tujay hamary culture ka kiya pata,,,tu hamary problem ko kiya janay ga,,,, tu roti kapray makan ki baat kar raha hain,,,, edher pakistan may tu sugar atta tak nahi meltha,,,,,
jitna pakistan ko lotna ta lot liya aab bus bhi karo....kub tak awam ko khoon chostay raho gay,,,,
i agree with u Amirkhan122 :( wat hardship ? in ramzan there was no electricity from sehri till iftar ??? and he is talking abt " we inherited the party or power " ... go live outside pakistan go go
Bilawal IS NOT a bhutto.. BILAWAL IS A ZARDARI ..and he knows who killed his mom but DOES NOT CARE!!... He couldn't care then.. he will never do anything good for Pakistan.. he will turn Pakistan into ruins. ...but that shouldn't e surprising since HE IS A ZARDARI!
Abby12356789 1 month ago
How is this democracy ? 19 year old kid to lead pakistan.. all becuase he is the son of benizer bhutto ... and yet all you hear PPP is speak about democraacy.
aimalkhan123 2 months ago
@aimalkhan123 - u're so RIGHT!
Abby12356789 1 month ago
Bunch of faggots
bombaclaat 2 months ago
This is embarrassing ...ufffff A donkey !
mianmitthu 3 months ago
Please leave Mr.Bhutto alone.
For how long you will befool people in the name of Bhutto.
PPP has done nothing for Pakistan in last 4 years.
PPP could not lodge an FIR in Benazir murder case.
PPP is simply anti-Pakistan.
GET PPP HELL OUT OF PAKISTAN
drtahir76 3 months ago
IMRAN KHAN ZINDABAD
hudeen 3 months ago
what a disgrace
hudeen 3 months ago
urdu bhi bolna na ati......
papermanmusic 3 months ago
where is Guinness world record collector?? here is another world record holder waiting for you youtube per sub se ziyada Galiyaan khane walla Mota Pig!! non other then Bilawan Zardari + Sharmila Farooqi + Molvi!!!
786yousufkhan 3 months ago
A dog is barking nothing more.Who gave you right to talk about Pakistan.Baster you have your everything abroad.You never lived in Pakistan.Even you do,t know how to live in Islamic society . do u know how to pay bills in Pakistan? do you know how to admit a child in school? etc. these are very minor things (sale) you do,t know anything about ground realities in Pakistan. how you ll lead people of Pakistan? its better for u to live in London or go hel to ur selfish Grandfather, Mother and uncles.
MrPakistanfirst 4 months ago
Kutttay ka beta bhi kuttta hi hota ahi thakuurrrrrrrrr
feelthepush 4 months ago
STOP REFERRING TO HIM AS BHUTTO!
FGS call him Zardari!
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Jahanzebification 5 months ago
Bilawal: 1. That harvard education didn't get you anywhere 2. There is NO VOICE for the poor, you obviously haven't talked to the poor. 3. Learn some damn urdu. 4. You look like an evil harry potter. 5. Get a hair-cut.
MsKapeesh 6 months ago
he's an IDIOT.... asshole!!
sophia432 6 months ago
aaaa bawla apne bap se poch k ALI SUNARA kon tha !!!! tery bap ki munch urai the LOL , kanjar ki olad MURTAZA k qatil ki olad , randi ka bacha
jo9y1 7 months ago
Lul leni da. Phuddi k pehle Urdu ka aakcent tu seekh lay. Lanti k bachaay Parhtay England America mein hain, Bolte English Hain aand Madarchod Pakistan ki baat karte hain. OYE KISI Behnchod kay bachaay Bund mein daal apni PPP And Fucking Bastaard Benezeir Bhutto... Revolution is Coming...
kanja0091 8 months ago
Wah boss WAh... kutai kai bacahy tu bhe Pakistan ki MAA chodai gaa..
lau re bhaaio aik aur kutti ka luttaira aa gaya..
yeh kya pakstan ka PM banai ga jisko Urdu he bolni nahe aati yeh kya krai ga pakistan..
farig insan ko kya pata poor people ko kis kis cheez ki zarurat hoti hai jis nai kabhe bhook dakhi naa ho..
zardari sahb boht achaa ustaad rakha hai is kai liye..
TheToqeer111 9 months ago
Jaysa BAAP whysa beta,,,,,,,,,,,PPP sirf Azeem Bhutoo ki thi ab..........sab KUTTY hain es main.....Benzir ko marwa k Zardari Sadar bana........Sadar ban k KUTTA Pakistan ki ma behn ek kar raha hai..........es Kutty ka Pilla Bil (Bilawal) Pakistan aya too ye bi SALA boly ga PAKISTAN KHAPPY KHAPPY KHAPPY...........so Zardari Pakistan pey KEHAR ban k aya hai hum nahi chahty k es ka Pilla Bilawal b es Pak zameen ka khoon choosny aye..........Jooty maro salon ko......Pakistan Zindaabad
mianapka 9 months ago
You suck the pig fat.
roboboogienights 1 year ago
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faisalraza787 4 months ago
Whole Bhutto family was born just to rule us and nearly all of them dead and now this khinzeer and khinzeer jo puttar has taken over the party. None of them lived or educated in Pakistan and none of them can speak urdu properly.
Zardaris and Bhuttos r all khinzeers.
keepadmiring 1 year ago 4
Son of a Cunt..... Mother fucker..................... He will do more corruption than his mother and father..... He's educated and definitely he knows more ways to swindle..... Why don't you just die with your dad and give us lil bit peace.
crackingguy123 1 year ago 5
hadith k mutabik owlad ko us k baap k nam sey pokaro yeh madarchod korsi k liye apney nana kee gand mar raha hai
davebeckham 1 year ago
we are not slaves of the these feudal lords we will not be ruled by them if all of us vote sensibly and for the right person people like this can't come in power
lashari123 1 year ago
OMG Worst urdu, its like hes taking the piss out of pakistani's in front of them....
I dont think PPP will win in next election unless pakistani are dumb enough to do vote for them. Pakistan didnt have problems before such as raise in food,petrol,crime like violence etc when Parvez Musaraf was in preseident seat. People say he killed Nazir bhutto but zardari didnt even investigate on his wife, why is that? - did he kill her? - Only he who done it knows and Allah (s.w.t) Knows. Peace 2all salaam
QaisarB8 1 year ago
inshallah you will not become a pakistani president or PM,no more no more zardari curropt blood,,you and your dad should find of your mom and wife killer,,zardari enjoy presidentship on wife blood ,,shame on you
iatajik 1 year ago
one word for this great leader of a lost nation... WANKER
keitatamaoki 1 year ago
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scarlet4045 1 year ago
@scarlet4045 agreed... can't believe this wanker who can't even speak your language and speaks as if he's in a court drama... fool
keitatamaoki 1 year ago
how dare he say Bismillah. That entire elite family in Pakistan is satanic and they now it. He's a terrible speaker and person. And his urdu sucks. And his English makes him sound gay.
buru44 1 year ago
abayyyyyyy yeh koi hindi ya hollywood movie nhe salay kuttay nikal yahan se..kuttay
jamalkhan12345 1 year ago
being a chairman of PPP, this Brat didn't even visit pak when pakistan was struck by this catastrophe (flood). why should a british be caring of pak nation,he was bought up in palaces of dubai and UK,he dont even know the names of cities in pakistan, he can't even speak urdu properly,and he is trying to prove that he is a patriot. this boy is a FAKE bhutto,,and gonna make pak even worst as what his EVIL father is currently doing,,SWISS banks ki tijoriyan bharo or wapis england nikal lo.
1984dawood 1 year ago
tattay, pehley urdu bolni toh seekh.
khoomadee 1 year ago
apnaa khoooon say !!! hahahhah
Loser !
imagine having this dimwit as a prezy !
shaheed?????? do you even know what the notion implies?
She was a corrupt wh*re!!!!!!!!!!!!
fadrayman 1 year ago
haHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
simzed 1 year ago
what a loser!!!
henbees 1 year ago
CANT SPEECH URDU. . HE WILL GOING TO LEAD THE COUNTRY. .Pakistani are the biggest fool. .Do he know what is the problems of the country. .Wake up guys. .They dnt deserve even a penny supoort. .
shams231 1 year ago
@htowndesi1 Wow, it gave pleasure to my dick that you are still remembering me. Come on my darling this time I will use some lubricant before inserting in your glorious ass… (And also use condom now) By the way why should I look at Zardari and family? you may fuck their asses as long as you can!!! But your glorious is only for me... I heard the rumors that you are offering your ass to every Pathan, if this is true then very bad… please don’t do that my darling! Did I not satisfy you earlier?
KounHey 1 year ago
@htowndesi1 hahahaheha..... you told your own story dude.... remember me i was the man who fucked you hard and since then you become HIV positive.... now you are justifing your AIDS issue like that as you said.......... chikney come to me again now you will be fucked by talban.... hahahahahaha
KounHey 1 year ago
you and your faimly even doesnt love pakistan's [P] this is our country not your if i found you in england you wont be able to speak fucker,your mother/father fucked our country now its enough this day wont come that you are dreaming for,we wear two shoes in our feets,you will give roti/kapra/makan this is an old dialogue of your grand dad, i am so sorry to ZA bhutto,he was the man,a petriot,person who loved pakistan,you fucker are hipocrate
asimkhanalizai 1 year ago
jeay PPP jeay zardari jeay bialawal gud bialwal
drghulammurtazamemon 1 year ago
You retards don't deserve to be "self-proclaimed" chairmans' of the PPP
The only person that PPP truly belonged to was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto! I feel sorry that Zufiqar worked so hard for Pakistan and to build this party, only, to see it in ruins now!
Zardari & Bilawal need to make a new party of their own called PLP (Pakistan's Lying Party)
LOL Bilawal, you need to stop over-reacting! You can't be like Zulfiqar, not even .1% close to him!!!!
amightube 1 year ago 19
His father is Mr 10 % and he is a silly Mr 5 %
topdome 1 year ago
May Allah have mercy on pakistan
blackhawk799 1 year ago
@blackhawk799 MAY ALLAH DESTROY ALL DEOBANDI TALBANS SO THAT PAKISTAN PROCEED TO VICTORY AGAINST TALBANI MASTERS HINDU
KounHey 1 year ago
i wonder how many people understood his speech after 2 minutes?
alihasan1997 1 year ago
politics aside, Bilawal beyta, are u muslim? it is pronounced Bismillah ir Rehman ir Raheem. and it is Bhayon, not payon. Learn how to say Bismillah first before attempting to rule the biggest and most powerful Islamic nation on Earth.
osamaz 1 year ago
i want to hit my computer screen to stop this stupid kid, he is goin to be a murderer robber and seller of PAKISTAN's people we need revolution to overthrow these black sheeps.I WANT BRITIAN TO TAKEOVER DIEING PAKISTAN amin
thebirdofheavens 1 year ago
when benzair spoke with her...weird urdu all paakistani thought , she was cute...but buddy bilawal...you are ruining the show.. at least start speaking urdu with neutral Pakistani accent....you sound so dam mummy dady.....and fuit cake !!
raheelzahid1 1 year ago
All of them are a bunch of liars and faggots!!!in pakistan politics is carried on by names only,like the bhutto family.
And wud like to add one more thing,the british or american born pakistanis are the worst ,thing they can change ,but first wud ve to change themselves.
TheKhurram11 1 year ago
to kia ab is chutiya ne bhi bari leni hy pakistanio ko lootney ki, in gandoonon ko yehi qaum mili hy kia? waisey pakistanio ka bhi ilag hy, pehley in ghaleez dhokey baaz bazari logo ko kandhey pe uttha kar phirtey hain aur baad main ser pe haath rakh ker rotey hain. is stage secerty ko to dekho koi bandey aur khotey ki darmiyani si nasal lagti hy. in ko na urdu aati hy aur na yeh pakistani hain lekun yeh hum per kakumat karen ge ye teh hy. Allah hamarey gunah muaf farma.. Ameen
CharsiAfghan 2 years ago
hey honey dis urdu does n t suit u,neither dat dress,so plz don t try hard ,u cn nt do it baby
sta11one 2 years ago
if sombody feel proud about this then the only thing is to take pity on that person
zahrabatool22 2 years ago
great speach blawal. just great. If there somting for us to be proudful as being pakistanis, that is Bhutto family.
ammadammad 2 years ago
DAJJAL KA PUTAR !!!!
worldshame 2 years ago 18
@worldshame HAHAHAHAH BEST COMMENT THUSFAR.
buru44 7 months ago
pakistan losing the ethnics bcz of u harami's!
but tell me why u screaming in front of ur microphone? don't think that u'll wake ur mother by this way !
LOSER BASTERD !!!
worldshame 2 years ago
Remember, in this life u can play as u want, but in the next life ..good luck .
Next, learn ur mother's tongue becuz u don't know how to speak urdu clearly.
Next, don't forget ur haloween parties with whites bitches wah ji wah !! we will have a cool prime minister who kisses the bitches in toilet ! Ass hole
Think before u act stupid moronic !
pakistan can risk now becuz of u & ur father & ur party
sharam kiya karo for god sake !!
the kids & the families r starving .
worldshame 2 years ago
salam alaykum mere tarf se ...
what can i say here ....
first of all, no one can't be like the first prime minister of our country : Muhammad Ali Jinnah (Allah bless him)
who are u ? u even don't know anything about life . U don't care about pakistan , just u trying to replace ur mother's place , if u caring about pakistan so try to stay without waters, foods, gas, without home ,electricity, jobs & etc..
u see , u can't do it.
worldshame 2 years ago
From my experiences from Pakistan, it is a country not worth pissing on, let alone living. Yeah that's harsh, but blunt. Pakistanis settled overseas are quick to favor Pakistan over the country that provides them everything that Pakistan does not. I only wish that US, UK and Europe throw these idiots out. 20 years from now, Pakistan will remain a corrupt country, poor will be poorer and rich will be richer. No wonder that a large number are keen on migrating to western countries.
reservoid 2 years ago
The judicial system is screwed up, and the only people who vote are the underpriviliged ones. The priviliged do not even see it worth their while to vote. Moreover, the religion has to be separated from politics. Turkey is a good example of that and it is a Muslim country. Unless the income disparity between the poor and rich is diminished, there will be the vulutures of politics will benefit themselves and there remains no accountabaility.
reservoid 2 years ago
On a separate note, what is wrong with Bilawal having a good time as a 21 year old? I do not see him fit for being a leader of Pakistan, but then again who in Pakistan is really fit to be a leader? Zardari? Benazir? Sharif Clan? Elahi Clan? Musharraf? Imran Khan? MQM? Do you see the problem? The power system in Pakistan is lope-sided. Human capital prefers to get out of the country and take better opportunities. People of Pakistan continue to elect these clans, they deserve poverty and misery.
reservoid 2 years ago
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mali2129 2 years ago
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Absolutely nothing wrong with him having a good time if he was a normal teenager (as in no one would give a damn)
As someone who has hopes to rule Pakistan, if he has: zero contact with Pakistanis, doesn't speak the language, doesn't know the culture, has non-Pakistani friends, has been educated outside Pakistan...
Do you see the problem? Pakistan may be in a poor state, it doesn't mean we don't try to improve ourselves and criticise our leaders.
mali2129 2 years ago
fuck this piece of shit dramaybaaz. PPP fucking Bullshit party. and all the people in PPP fucking Hired tattus.
manimastermind 2 years ago
I'm a student at Oxford University. Khuda ki qasm, this Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has NOT ONCE attended a SINGLE event
organised by the OU Islamic Society or the OU Pakistani Society. I have NEVER seen him at Jumuah or any Pakistani/Islamic
event. Nor does he EVER associate with Pakistani/Muslim students of the University, even though there are many, Mash'Allah.
What makes this so painful is that we, as Muslims and Pakistanis at Oxford, are the elite of our societies...
mali2129 2 years ago
It just goes to
show that if he considers himself above the Muslims/Pakistanis at OXFORD, on what basis does he have hopes to identify with
the 180 million poor awaam of Pakistan?
My non-Muslim friends tell me they see him at night clubs & bars drinking alcohol all night. God save Pakistan from this
person, who cannot even speak Urdu and has ALREADY been involved in corruption:
Just Google: "Union president in new row (From Oxford Mail)"
mali2129 2 years ago
Mali-
I am not doubting anything you say about Bilawal and his attendance of social or religious events. I am just wondering what in the world makes you think that you are an elite? Is this only because you are attending Oxford? Honestly, who cares?
Frankly, the likes of Oxford and Cambridge produce plenty of intellectual waste along with the intellectual capital. I suggest you recheck the Oxford Complex. It will serve you well when you enter the real world outside of academia.
reservoid 2 years ago
You presume I intended arrogance when I called the Muslims/Pakistanis at Oxford the elites of our societies - there was none intended. For me, Islam is the most important thing in my life, and Allah tells us that he who exhibits arrogance will not even be given another look on the Day of Judgement.
Let's be frank: my point here wasn't that we have an inherent superiority about us. It was about saying that yes, in worldly terms with regards to education, connections and future prospects ...
mali2129 2 years ago
Oxfordians are generally better poised to become leaders of their societies, with the Will of Allah for nothing happens without it. Elite in worldly terms, yes. That's not to say others don't have the capability to achieve greatness - most of my best friends don't study at Oxford, and some can easily put the 'intellectual waste' here to shame. But, the track record of British (and Pakistani) premiers and leaders who have studied here shows...
mali2129 2 years ago
... that yes, Oxbridge does produce an "elitist" class of people. That's a neutral adjective. Furnish a better one that still encompasses what I'm trying to say if you can.
So yes, elite in worldly terms. Few would argue with that. Elite in moral and spiritual terms? No. Only God is the judge of that.
I extended that point by saying if Bilawal isn't willing to communicate with any of the Pakistanis here, what hope do 180 million in Pakistan have of earning his compassion?
mali2129 2 years ago
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You assume arrogance when your post reeks of disdain. Maybe you've met unpleasant people from Oxford, there certainly are arrogant ones, but the fact youd generalise that & assume were all from rich backgrounds with a free ticket into the university & know nothing of the world shows that youre the one with the complex.
Most of us worked our way in. I wont be apologetic. It is a fantastic university, one of the best in the world. I thank God every day that Ive been given the privilege.
mali2129 2 years ago
Mali- Stop sugar coating things. You are in a fortunate position to be born in a family that is probably at least a middle class to upper middle class, and hence a shot at Oxford.
Leaving religion alone, the elite Oxfordion politicians you speak of have raped Pakistan left and right. Hopefully, you will change the recent track record. I am not picking on your institution, simply the mindset that it promotes and subconsciously you become part of this so-called elitism, as you put it.
reservoid 2 years ago
I was fortunate enough to be born in a family where my parents pushed me from childhood and instilled in me a responsibility to always try harder - stop being a moron and assuming things about me. I have very humble origins, and as I said, I thank Allah every day for giving me the amazing opportunity to study where I am.
People like you justify their inability to get into top universities by assuming only posh, upper-class people stand a shot.
mali2129 2 years ago
With regards to Oxfordian politicians, my course has nothing whatseoever to do with politics. And I don't have any intentions of being a politician. But I will echo your sentiments and hope the same Insh'Allah. I hope Bilawal and other people at Oxford hoping to be politicians learn that the millions of people they may one day lead are not cattle.
mali2129 2 years ago
From where I'm standing, reservoid, you're the one with the superiority complex here... I don't see myself as better than anyone else. You, on the other hand, find sport in passing moment-by-moment judgements on someone you've never met... So sad.
mali2129 2 years ago
Oh God! Oh how old are you? Not that it matters, I have an undergrad and postgrad from Harvard and and last time I checked it seems to be quite a reputable institution. I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling.
And now you refer to your humble beginnings and yet refer yourself subtly to be posh. See, I assume you grew up in Pakiland and I can sense the slave mentality. You prove my point, plenty of inetellectual waste is produced by Oxford.
reservoid 2 years ago
On a quick note, I just laughed so hard when you referred to my inability to enter a top uni. I could not help but to stare at y diplomas hanging from the wall reminding me that I, too was part of that elite clan. Lol! Thank you for reminding me that I am an elite, too. I have the biggest cheesiest smile on my face.
I am glad politics is not your line of work. You will suck at it, you cannot even write half a page without contradictions.
reservoid 2 years ago
Touched a nerve? Yes I think I did.
Glad to see you went to Harvard and have diplomas hanging on the wall. I'm wondering why you think you felt the need to mention diplomas? Saying you went to Harvard would have been enough. But I know that wouldn't have been possible on your own merit. Obviously, you come from an advantageous family background which facilitated your entry into Harvard: I would say middle or upper class? You're fortunate that allowed you to get into Harvard.[/sarcasm]
mali2129 2 years ago
Imagine if I was being serious? That would, from where I'm standing, be one of the most irritating things someone could say to me. Particularly because I know how hard I have worked to get to this University. For some stranger to then automatically assume things about my background and how my entry into it wasn't due to my own merit but my family circumstances would be enough to inflame anyone.
This is one of the reasons why seeing Bilawal at Oxford annoys me.
mali2129 2 years ago
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mali2129 2 years ago
Then you started with further assumptions: my background, of which you know nothing about. You used that to make still FURTHER assumptions, after I'd specifically told you: please stop assuming! 'I assume you grew up in Pakiland' (NB: It's PakiSTAN).
The way to win any sort of debate or argument isn't by assuming things and then basing your arguments and conclusions off those assumptions (particularly when I've told you they aren't true).
mali2129 2 years ago
You may feel I have a slave mentality: and yet, from where I'm sitting, you're the one who feels they have to prove they have diplomas (pluralised?) hanging from the wall and they're a Harvard graduate. Why's that? The ONLY reason I mentioned I'm an Oxford student was so I could tell the Pakistanis here who are supporting Bilawal that he doesn't give a damn about them. That he doesn't mix with any Pakistani in Oxford. That he drinks, goes clubbing and has never been seen within a mile...
mali2129 2 years ago
... of a mosque or Friday prayers. If he's hoping to lead the ISLAMIC Republic of PAKISTAN, he really, really needs to change his habits and attitude.
Finally, please don't bring the age difference here. You may be 30, and I may be 19, but trust me, you've not written ONE SENTENCE from a position of any sort of added wisdom or moral superiority. I've called names. And you've been deeply offensive by suggesting silly things about which you have no knowledge.
mali2129 2 years ago
And finally, I don't refer to myself as posh anywhere reservoid. I said people like *YOU* assumed I'm posh and that's why I'm at Oxford. Not for any other reason (like my own brain!). Realistically, as a 30 year old Harvard graduate, why do on earth do you keep assuming things? It's deeply arrogant (something you accused me of earlier). I've not even assumed that you're a Pakistani, and here you're assuming nonsense about my entire life and background? Are you really 30?
mali2129 2 years ago
Please, do point out the *contradictions* in anything I've said. I have humble backgrounds and I am where I am through the grace of God and my hard work. If I *was* a contradictory person, I would make an excellent politician. Or do you believe they're all honest?
mali2129 2 years ago
Kiddo! Politicians are diplomatic, not necessarily contradictory. I was right, you act like an imbecile. Let's see, my family is filthy rich, I was born in US, I went to private schools vs. public schools and all of that played a part in my admission to Harvard. I am an investment banker that makes more than 80% of American population. You assumed that I would have never gotten into Oxford.
The fact is anyone with money can get in these institutions.
reservoid 2 years ago
Moreover, I am certain you went to a private school in Pakiland. Your parents probably did send you to an expensive private school by Pakistani standards. They were able to do that because they could afford it.
Some poor kid from village, especially in Pakistan did'nt have the same opportunities or the exposure. In the US, you can be poor but still have a shot at Ivy league schools. In Pakiland, if you are poor, forget Oxford, you be lucky to have high school diploma.
reservoid 2 years ago
One more thing, stop bringing religion in everything. When states and religion are intermingled, you get a disaster. About Bilawal, he is not better than any one of you in Pakistan. He is also an elite, just like you are.
As soon as you are back in Pakiland, the corrupt system will not let you get ahead. Though Bilawal is an inexperienced kid, why are you so hung up on his religious affairs? Hopefully, Oxford will help your grow up.
reservoid 2 years ago
Excuse my sarcasm on the matter before. It turns out I was right without meaning to be: YOU did get into Harvard because of your family. But just because YOU did, don't assume EVERYONE else did. I won't lay out my whole personal life story out for your inspection; my experiences and perspectives are wholly different than yours. I told you, the most important factors for me getting into University was the grace of God and my upbringing which had always instilled in me the desire to be the best.
mali2129 2 years ago
My environment, believe it or not, is not similar to yours: my family isn't filthy rich, I wasn't born in the UK, and I didn't spend my childhood in private schools.
So, for some stranger to then automatically assume their situation applies to everyone suggests insecurity I'm afraid, or a perceived lack of intelligence in themselves. Are you threatened by those people who made it into a top university on their own merits and not because of their family background?
mali2129 2 years ago
Does that make you feel less intelligent because you feel if it wasn't for your family's wealth, you wouldn't be in Harvard? Does it shake the foundations of your self-esteem reservoid?
I would urge you to stop generalising and assume someone's experiences always fit the stereotype. Fortunately, it isn't true, and moreover, it makes you look naive. What I am is the sum total of my experiences, beliefs and values. Those are totally different than your experiences, beliefs and values.
mali2129 2 years ago
You can't assume yours apply to me, or to anyone else just because I'm in a similar position to you.
Lastly: Islam is a source of strength for me. So I won't stop bringing religion into everything. Secondly, this isn't a religious issue. It's a legal issue. Pakistan is an Islamic country, with Islamic laws and Islamic traditions. Its Constitution stiuplates that its leader must be a good Muslim (and avod a specific bunch of sins). Moreoever, its raison d'être is Islam.
mali2129 2 years ago
A secular nation is not something that the majority of its population want. If Bilawal was a normal person, I wouldn't care about him. But he has hopes to rule Pakistan, and so, these aspects of his life are important with regards to his ability to administer an Islamic nation: if he has already exhibited corruption, if he has already shown that he can drink himself silly, and won't associate with Pakistanis/Muslims I'm afraid that's incompatible with being the PM/Premier of Pakistan.
mali2129 2 years ago
Yeah, you are right, I am an idiot, who would have not made it to any higher institution. You, on the other hand, have single-handedly defied all the odds and got admitted to Holy grail Oxford. Lol!
It is retards like you that I hate hiring as assistants. You obviously do not admit or deny your middle/upper middle class background. You are right, God did play a part, you were born in a family that was able to afford you a decent education. I'll cut you a slack, you are young and stupid, Its ok.
reservoid 2 years ago
This is what you said a few days ago:
"I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling."
And now, you're pretty much dishing out the insults. Have I really offended you that much? Or are you a bit flustered at how I have categorically pointed out how blatantly wrong you are? Because one who has nothing else to say quickly resorts to insults, which is what you are doing.
Fortunately, I am not as immature as you place me to be.
mali2129 2 years ago
In an argument with a 30 year old, it's the 19 year old who's managed to stay civil. Never mind. I expect little else from you: you see, from the very start, everything you've done has been extremely arrogant.
I have a deep connection with Pakistan, and I hope, Insh'Allah that it will rise above the problems it currently faces. When I think of someone like Bilawal in the pipelines of the Presidency, it makes me shudder.
mali2129 2 years ago
Bilawal personifies everything that is wrong with Pakistan's leaders: he has zero connection with the people, he doesn't speak the language, doesn't appreciate the culture, religion or mindset of the people. If he were to ever rule Pakistan, he would always have one foot outside the country, much like his father does.
For me, it is important to make people aware of what this individual is like. Many people post on these videos thinking that Bilawal is in Oxford representing Pakistan...
mali2129 2 years ago
... Or that he has an affinity with his country and people. It isn't the case! Unfortunately for these people, they will continue to believe what they do because they cannot see what I have seen.
That was my aim in posting on this video. Otherwise, what possible reason do I have in speaking about him? Otherwise, what possible reason do I have in speaking about him? I have zero interest in spreading false lies and rumours, and nor would it do me any good, particularly from a religious POV.
mali2129 2 years ago
But, from where I'm standing, it is absolute agony thinking that we may end up with another incompotent leader in the future; maybe if I post something here, it changes one person's mind. They go and don't vote for PPP. I still think my effort will have been worthwhile.
You saw my comment, and it deeply affected you in some way. This is absolutely obvious from the way you picked up on ONE sentence in a long post, and have spent the last week going round and round in circles with me.
mali2129 2 years ago
Your very first post was laden with insult - you automatically judged me, assumed you knew my entire life story based on the fact that I attended Oxford, and from a position of extreme weakness and stubbornness, continued to defend your stance and insist you knew things about my life when you don't even know the most BASIC things about me. When I refuted each of your claims, you became more and more aggressive, angrier and abusive.
You need to introspect, my friend.
mali2129 2 years ago
You need to sit down and examine why you have such a problem with what I'm saying. Is it really because I won't lie to you, and tell you I'm filthy rich? Or is it, actually, maybe because there ARE some people in the world who can achieve the same things you have from a background which is lower than yours?
The fact of the matter is, I don't know you - you seriously cannot expect me to lay out my whole life story in front of you. I have already told you enough.
mali2129 2 years ago
I *have* CATEGORICALLY said that I am NOT from a filthy rich family. I have told you, I wasn't born in the UK, and I haven't spent my entire childhood in some private school.
My position in life is extremely different from yours. Yes, in relative terms, I am far more privileged than a poor person in Pakistan, Mash'Allah, but the type of elite and upper class you are trying to lump me in is SERIOUSLY not true for me. Try and understand this.
My roots are absolutely very humble.
mali2129 2 years ago
Compared to poor Pakistanis, yes, as I said before, I'm VERY fortunate, Mash'Allah, but even the POOREST person in the UK would be more fortunate than the poor in Pakistan (in terms of material wealth). From the viewpoint of BRITISH Society though, I have absolutely worked my way to Oxford. Allah blessed me, my parents supported me, and my own hard work and perseverance got me where I am.
mali2129 2 years ago
I didn't 'single-handedly' defy the odds; I had things going my way; I was fortunate in many regards. But it still doesn't detract from the fundamental issue:
If money and being upper class was all it took, you'd see 100% of people in Oxford//Cambridge/Harvard with that background. That isn't the case (at least not in Oxford and Cambridge).
mali2129 2 years ago
There are many people who went through the state system who have got in on their own merit. It's ironic because you were accusing me of being arrogant, having an 'Oxford complex' but in reality, you have a very arrogant streak in you. You are seemingly incapable of comprehending that someone from a low background can also make their way to the top!
mali2129 2 years ago
For cyring out loud, kid. This is not the end of the world, stop writing essays. You still cannot admit one thing, and that is the fact that since you are bit more priviliged over a poor Pakistani. That bit of a privilege provides an edge. There is nothing wrong with it, you will be stupid if you do not use that edge. My god! why most of the kids who grow up in Pakiland suffer from tunnel vision? It usually takes a decade for someone like you to see the light. You will, its matter of time.
reservoid 2 years ago
Of course it's not the end of the world, but you keep replying and it's curious because I almost get the feeling
Before I do say something else, please explain:
1) Why do you keep saying Pakiland? That's an offensive and derogatory term. You're an investment banker, Harvard graduate, 30-year old individual, who has grown up in the USA. So why on earth are you being deliberately and repeatedly offensive to a nation of 180 million people? The correct term is Pakistan.
mali2129 2 years ago
The connotations associated with 'Pakiland' are deliberately insulting.
2) The contradictions in anything I'm saying (you accused me of being contradictory a few days ago, and then mysteriously side-stepped the subject when I proved nothing I'd said was contradictory).
3) Explain to me why you're being offensive and are name-calling when you say a few days ago to me:
"I can tell that you are rather young, as you quickly retrieved to name calling."
mali2129 2 years ago
4) Explain to me why you aren't reading what I'm saying and still posting the same things?
As in, I HAVE ADMITTED ON MORE THAN ONCE OCCASION THAT I AM MORE FORTUNATE THAN A POOR PAKISTANI!!!!!!!!!!!!
The poorest person in England would be more fortunate than a poor Pakistani. Why do you keep on repeating the same things?
When I say that I am not an upper class individual I meant that from the perspective of living in Britain.
mali2129 2 years ago
Just like you said:
"My family is filthy rich, I was born in US, I went to private schools vs. public schools and all of that played a part in my admission to Harvard."
You're talking about your life in the US. I'm doing the same. Living in Britain, I am in no more a privileged position than millions of other people.
mali2129 2 years ago
I have said that I am more fortunate than many people, but whereas you are suggesting the sole reason for my getting into University was my privileged background, I am fiercely denying that and stating my roots are very humble from the perspective of British society (from the Pakistani POV, even having three meals on your table is fortunate, so that's a silly comparison to make).
mali2129 2 years ago
In the US, American born Pakistani's refer to Pakistan as Pakiland as a slang or in a way that a parent may nickname their child. As you never lived here, you would'nt know. You can continue to take everything I say out of context and I am amused by your tantrum. You are trying so hard to win an argument which does not even exist. To be brief, Pakiland is not an offensive term so stop being dramatic. On a brighter note, you learned something new. Instead of writing an essay, try being succinct.
reservoid 2 years ago
Do you typically use US slang in your conversations? Because I'm sure you could then fill your conversation with slang to make it nearly incomprehensible for me... Instead you keep using 'Pakiland'...
Anyway never mind. I'm not trying hard to win anything reservoid. I'm tring to get answers (which is why I ask about a million questions in my posts that you overlook).
mali2129 2 years ago
You've accused me of a few things, contradicted yourself on a few others and have maintained a dialogue for the last week, which wouldn't be the case if you're really as blasé about the whole conversation as you make out to be...
What's really curious is that you keep replying (maybe to have the last word), but won't touch upon the numerous inconsistencies you have shown... Strange and sad.
Btw, are you a Pakistani/of Pakistani heritage?
mali2129 2 years ago
I speak the way I speak. When I say Pakiland, I figured most would know what I am referring to. I am not sure what questions you are posing? I did not see anything particularly worth answering. Frankly, I knew after two posts that you grew up in Pakiland. It is always easy to tell the difference between the ones who grew up there, it is the way you folks conversate and argue. To answer you question, my parents are Pakistani. I consider myself American first with Pakistani heritage.
reservoid 2 years ago
Honestly, I get a kick out of this. You take great pains to go and copy and paste my comments and try to somehow prove a point. Seriously, who gives a crap? Hate it or love it, Pakistan will be a worse place than in 20 years. Sure, I admire your Paki patriotism, but without US and world Aid, Pakistan is a failed state. Just make sure you have a foreign passport to flee if it ever comes to it. A million dollar advice for free. I reply cuz in a sick way I enjoy your kiddish tantrums. They amuse me
reservoid 2 years ago
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mali2129 2 years ago
I wasn't brought up in Pakistan...
For a 30 year old Harvard graduate, you make a lot of mistakes, contradictions, assumptions and inconsistencies. You're right: no one gives a crap; probably why you're wasting your time here...
mali2129 2 years ago
Usually, I feel sad listening to people complain about Pakistan as if it's the worst country on earth. But, in a strange way, I'd rather you DID dissociate from it. It's a wonderful country, with beautiful people, and certainly doesn't need patriots like you who don't have even a shred of respect for the 180 million people ('not worth pissing on?') who call it their home.
There are plenty of others, including myself, who are eager to take it forward without your approval =)
mali2129 2 years ago
Well, it is your home, not mine so you should continue on with it. I am a patriot, I will bear arms for the United States in a minute. I am an American before anything else so I do not need to distance myself from something I was never attached to. Btw, stop addressing me as a 30 year old, I never said that I was 30. Anyway, I am certain if US opened its doors today, more than half of Pakistan will migrate. I do not blame em. Oh well!!!
reservoid 2 years ago
What is your age then? (You have 30 on your profile page). I address you with information YOU make publicly available (unlike you, who approach me with assumptions based on your whims).
Anyhow, it's good you love your country. I have lived in 5-6 countries, and I love them all (ESPECIALLY Britain) but Pakistan is in my blood, and I pray for it everyday Insh'Allah. As I said before, you insult Pakistan with the filthiest terms so I am glad you have nothing to do with it.
mali2129 2 years ago
One day, you may realise the value of that country and culture which you think is not even worth 'pissing on, and perhaps it'll be too late, but I sincerely do hope you do repent from the arrogance and scorn you have shown here.
By the way, you complimented Turkey before - nothing to complement here. They have drifted too far the OTHER way (i.e. wearing a hijab in government buildings is illegal). That's equally bad for democracy and human rights as a Taliban style mentality.
mali2129 2 years ago
I notice that you continue to put a religious twist in everything. Do you know that Islamically, culture really does not even count for anything? Everyone is under Muslim Ummah? Now I said that Pakistan aint worth pissing on, in terms of living. I stand behind that statement, and why are you such a hardliner? Why do you think that I should value something that you value, such as Pakistan. If you value it so much, stop spending your money in tuition and boarding in UK, go back to Pakiland
reservoid 2 years ago
and spend your money in a Pakistani institution so it can be a contributory factor. It is easy to talk, but hard to walk the walk. When you say Turkey has gone the other way, at least they apply the law equitably. The President's wife wears Hijab and is not to enter state gala's. Imagine if law was equitable in Pakistan? It will never happen. I can go back and buy a fake degree, a cop and the law. Is this the value set I want my kids exposed to? Definitely, NOT!
reservoid 2 years ago
Islamically, I believe there is brotherhood amongst all Muslims. That's not to say culture is irrelevant. But if I started being jingoistic and feeling superior just because I am Pakistani, that is problematic because it breeds arrogance & segregation.
Also, I said I'm GLAD you have nothing to with Pakistan. Your secular views & rejection of Pakistani/Islamic values ("what is wrong with Bilawal having a good time as a 21 year old?") is as cancerous to Pakistan as a Taliban style mentality.
mali2129 2 years ago
You've said you don't think Pakistan is likely to improve, which is why I'm glad you don't have anything to do with Pakistan. You should stick to the US: in 20 years time, your kids may have grown up into ideal American citizens with American values. Look forward to that.
Turkey applies *injustice* equitably. It is unjust to tell your people what they can & cannot wear if you proclaim yourself to be secular (and Turks can't even use the 'against our culture' argument that France uses).
mali2129 2 years ago
Dude, I can totally see you blowing up planes and trains. I think we have a fundamentalist in making. What do you know about American Values? You make it seem like Pakistani Values are the best. Who are you to judge values or even Bilawal. Thanks for labelling me a secular. You can label Bilalwal as a bad Muslim. Do you see a trend here? In real life, are you really this thick headed? Do you feel that you can label and impose your opinions on others? Ok kid, I am done here. Intellectual Waste!
reservoid 2 years ago
I condemn the Taliban as cancerous. Also, where did I judge American values? I made a neutral comment, your paranoid mind assumed I was being offensive. In fact, you're the one who came up with the "Is this the value set I want my kids exposed to?" rubbish. YOU insulted the values of MY country - I did NOT say ANYTHING about yours.
I didn't label you as secular, you did: "stop bringing religion in everything. When states and religion are intermingled, you get a disaster."
Bilawal DRINKS...
mali2129 2 years ago
... PARTIES, DOESN'T MINGLE WITH PAKISTANIS & DOESN'T KNOW URDU OR PAKISTANI CULTURE. My argument is about him being incompatible with ruling Pakistan & NOT the depth of his iman.
Finally, I have not imposed anything. Rather I have freely told you to follow YOUR value set. I have NOT criticised your country. I have NOT criticised your values. YOU started with the 'fundamentalist' 'imbecile' 'imposing opinions' nonsense.
You are quick to accuse & judge & then resort to insults when proven wrong
mali2129 2 years ago
Hold on, when I say factually true things about Pakistan, it is an insult? If truth is an insult, then let it be. I was not going to reply but I could not resist the temptation. The way I see it, you cannot name one and I mean one single politician in Pakistan who is fit to be a ruler and supposedly a good Muslim, that you want Bilawal to be. I personally sat down in Paki embassy in DC and saw Mr. Sharif and Gilani having some expensive wine. It is easier for you to pinpoint Bilawal, because he
reservoid 2 years ago
he is close in age with you and goes to same campus. With the exception of not speaking Urdu with fluency, he is not better than any other leader. It is admirable for you to be patriotic, but it is foolish to not accept the facts. If it acts like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, you call it a duck. I say it again, if given the opportunity a large majority of Pakistanis will leave Pakistan in a heart beat and I know that you have at least this much sense to accept that. Y is that?
reservoid 2 years ago
When you say 'Pakistan isn't worth pissing on' that is an insult. You nitpicked a few bad things about Pakistan & said that these values aren't ones you'd expose your kids to. Why even go there? Have I said anything negative about American values? You accused me of being judgemental but which one of us has been insulting?
But, I agree with you. Currently, no leader of Pakistan is a good Muslim. I like Imran Khan, because he's better than the rest, but even he isn't perfect. I recognise that.
mali2129 2 years ago
But just because all of our leaders are bad doesn't mean we accept them. If we don't criticise how do we move forward?
I agree again with your last assertion. Pakistan is in a sorry state. But where you see little hope, I am optimistic.
I have seen a gradual awakening amongst the youth of Pakistan, a feeling of responsibility & obligation. It should bear fruit, Insh'Allah.
You may think Pakistan sucks, but it is only 63 years old. Compare it with many other countries & it has achieved a lot.
mali2129 2 years ago
You see, Pakistan is not in a sorry state now. It has been in a sorry state since it's very creation. It is a country that is Islamic only when it needs to be. Every leader from Jinnah, Ayub Khan, Bhutto and Musharraf all drank to say the least. I insist that things that I mentioned is not nitpicking. How is a country worth living when you do not even have safety of your life. Mark my words, Pakistan is now a puppet country. They can never contain Taliban. The lack the resources and the will.
reservoid 2 years ago
As for the awareness in youth, it looks good on paper but they are too busy fucking whores and drinking too. I was a visiting speaker at LUMS. Again, I admire anyone who has love for their country, as they should. But wake up, the poor has remained poor and the rich has remained rich since Pakistan's creation. This is not progress.
reservoid 2 years ago
Even the youth like yourself prefer to go overseas. You said in your posts that there are any Pakis that went to government schools and made it to Oxford or Ivy leagues. What are the statistics? Does an Aithcisonian, LUMS alumni, LGS or the likes stand a better chance? Absolutely. Now 80% of Pakistanis cannot afford that sort of education. How is one to be admitted, if he cannot even pass ESL? I know you are smart enough to understand this.
reservoid 2 years ago
Therefore, money, the ultimate granddaddy of the capitalistic world did play a part in both of our lives, whether you admit it or not. You write eloquently, your vocab is pretty decent for a 19 year old. Yes, I am actually complienting you, but please be smart enough to recognize things as they are. Majority of us are selfish, its animalistic nature. Most of us will do what is best for us, it is easy to beat the patriot drum. A lot hard to dance to the beat of that drum. I'm jst glad to be in NY
reservoid 2 years ago
Lastly, you say, that if leaders are bad doesnt mean you accept them. Hello!!! For last 63 years, you have been accepting them, how else did they get in power? The only way you move forward is to empower the poor through education. You and I know damn well, we would not be bending over backwards to send our servants kids to private schools for them. Do you get it? This is all unislamic, Pakistan is a big fat lie when it comes to Islam. Just be glad that you are in UK and enjoy the ride.
reservoid 2 years ago
Perhaps I should clarify: I've spent about two years of my life in Pakistan on a permanent basis. Apart from that, I go back every year. The rest of my life has been spent in various countries. So you see, I am not one of those people who isn't thankful for being in this great place that I am now. I told you this from day 1. I am not a hypocrite who blasts Britain and still derives benefit from it. I love this country.
But what do you want me to say about Pakistan?
mali2129 2 years ago
I have absolutely admitted there is a problem: there has been a problem since its inception. If Jinnah had lived a few more years, perhaps he could have left a more expansive infrastructure after him. What else shall I say? Yes, no leader has been a true Muslim. Nor is Pakistan's foreign policy reflective of Islam. Nor is the way its leaders run the country, or its people treat each other reflective of Islam. You're right.
What do we do then? Do we sit and twiddle our thumbs? I won't.
mali2129 2 years ago
I also know several students (some of them grad. students who were born in America) here at Oxford who love Pakistan. I know several others, international students from various cities in Pakistan who have the most passionate desire to go back and lend their skill-set to various uplift projects (many of them female!).
Yes - there is a significant portion of youth who lives for Star Plus, who screw around, who look on their culture and Pakistaniat as backwards and want to be White.
mali2129 2 years ago
But, there is also a significant portion that does not - Pakistan has a vibrant media, even the poorest knows what is going on. It has an informed populace, a judiciary that is for once showing some backbone. You may not see it but I definitely do.
As I said, you are free to shrug off Pakistan - I won't. I look at Pakistan, and in terms of infrastructure, development, GDP and other indicators it is better than many other countries which have had a LOT more to work with.
mali2129 2 years ago
Clearly, Pakistanis are a resourceful people if given the right stimulus. A few years ago, I was in Baag-e-Jinnah in Lahore. I saw a man who had made his own 1/4 scale HELICOPTER flying it in with a remote control. It sounds ludicrous, but you don't think that type of intelligence can be harnessed? It's not as if the potential/ability isn't there.
mali2129 2 years ago
I just got back from Pakiland after a brief trip. Wow! that place has hit the shitpot. It is is much terrible shape that I originally thought it to be. I spoke with some influential politicans as I am advising the government of Pakistan on financial matters. The policy makers were more worried about how it would benefit them in revoting vs. the public. I said it before, I say it again, I am appalled and I see absolutely no future for Pakistan. I only feel bad for the people.
reservoid 2 years ago
zardari kutta hai hai
bilawal kameena hein hein
omega1maestro 2 years ago
How can this KID whose only qualification is his parentage talk about democracy? He is the heir of a dynasty who has never experienced the lack of roti, kapda or makaan due to his parents' raping of the national resources. Not to mention the hypocrisy of him talking about Pukhtunkhwa when his family never broke the "proud tradition" of governing Pashtuns under the oppressive rules of the British. Shame on the PPP! Only when parties get internal democracy will Pakistan get real democracy.
SuperFabila 2 years ago 2
bilawal bhutto is best ppp is the best and u all idiots go to hell pakistan zindababad ppp zindababad jo ppp ka kalaf hai woh kadar hai
rizwankhan4girl 2 years ago
ppp is the best as best party why u tell like this u idiots ppp zindababad from rizwan
rizwankhan4girl 2 years ago
Tradition of CORRUPTION, Legacy of CORRUPTION and FREEDOM TO STEAL FROM THE HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN!
mitsujh 2 years ago
BILAWAL BHUTTO ZARDARI, EITHER WAY ALL MOTHERFUCKERS.
SHAHEED SHAHEED SHAHEED i AM REALLY SICK OF PEOPLE WHO USE THIS WORD FOR WRONG PEOPLE.
NONE OF THEM DIED FOR ANYTHING, BUT THEIR OWN GREED.
ALL PAKISTANI POLITICIANS ARE KILLING MY HOMELAND, IF WE ALL LISTEN TO THEIR BULLSHIT, THERE WILL BE NOTHINGLEFT AND THESE BASTARDS WILL BE GONE LIVING IN COUNTRIES, WHERE THEY HID OUR STOLEN MONEY.
PAKISTAN WILL BE LUCKY IF ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE OUT
YA ALLAH RAHIM KER.
LAZYBEE3224 2 years ago 5
YAAR KHUDA KA WASTA, PAKISTAN KI JAAN CHOR DO.
AUR KITINI GAAND MAARNI HE PAKISTAN KI, AUR AWAM KI. ENOUGH BULL SHIT, CANNOT TAKE ANY MORE.
Bilwal FIRST LEARN YOUR NATIONAL LANGUAGE, IN WHICH YOU CAN COMMUNICATE MASSES, ALSO COME DOWN TO OUR LEVEL SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR REAL PROBLEMS.
WE HAD ENOUGH , HOW MUCH MORE, KUCH TO KHUDA KA KHAUF KARO.
THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN MY HOME LAND, HOW MUCH MORE YOU GUYS WANT TO FUCK.
JUST THINK OF IT.. BILAWAL
LAZYBEE3224 2 years ago 2
kiya ho raha he o kiya hoga pakistan ka yaar....bilawal tumhe kiya ye pata he ke jume (friday) ki nimaaz me rakaat kitnay hotay he?? leave yaar these politictions are just increasing their accounts zero nothing duing anything 4 pakistan
sahil24uk 2 years ago
i agree with u Amirkhan122 :( wat hardship ? in ramzan there was no electricity from sehri till iftar ??? and he is talking abt " we inherited the party or power " ... go live outside pakistan go go go
yumna2009 2 years ago
i agree with ameloona85
asmat68 2 years ago
Ary yar tumjey tu urdu tak nahi ati,,,tujay hamary culture ka kiya pata,,,tu hamary problem ko kiya janay ga,,,, tu roti kapray makan ki baat kar raha hain,,,, edher pakistan may tu sugar atta tak nahi meltha,,,,,
jitna pakistan ko lotna ta lot liya aab bus bhi karo....kub tak awam ko khoon chostay raho gay,,,,
Pakistan Zindabad
Amirkhan122 2 years ago
i agree with u Amirkhan122 :( wat hardship ? in ramzan there was no electricity from sehri till iftar ??? and he is talking abt " we inherited the party or power " ... go live outside pakistan go go
yumna2009 2 years ago
We miss u Benazir Bhutoo
Zulfiqar Ali bhutoo
Bacha Khan Baba
Bacha Khan says rigth that "we respect are leader after their death" ." key Hum murda parast hain"
ameloona85 2 years ago
please tell me what have the PPP except ZAB have done for pakistan?? and none of this dictator rubbish pls
omega1maestro 2 years ago