@DBKTube Taking time and moving cleco's every other hole is good practice with a home build. whats teh news on the build? I see comments from 3 years ago.
I'm a novice with tools and I've been wondering if setting rivets is the same as setting studs? For Halloween, I need to set dome studs and other decorative types into pieces of leather and metal. I'm afraid that I'll buy the wrong tool for the job. Firstly, can they be done with the same tool and what types or brands should I look for? I can't spend a lot, so a manual version, as opposed to electric tools, would be best for my budget. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. TY
Why don't you put cleco's in every hole or every other hole? Sure would speed up your riveting, only having to pull a cleco to open a hole for riveting. Not having to reinstall a cleco for every hole.
Good question. It depends on the situation. On most structures you do exactly what you suggested, cleco every other or every third hole. The rule I follow is that there should be a cleco (or rivet) in at least the hole next to the one that is being riveted. In this case the room inside is so restricted that I could not get to the front rivets with the whole seam clecoed down. So I "walked" the cleco down the seam as I riveted.
@MrChaoturban The wing skins are put on in smaller sections, and much like the first portion of the video, they just bend the skin out of the way a little to get the bucking bar in there. There are also access holes all through the wing that they can use as well, and when the wing is completed, they screw a plate of these holes. They can then open those back up when its time for the annual inspection.
@callujah Yes, it is a temporary fastener that holds the parts firmly together while building. It is called a "cleco" (cleek-oh) a wonderful invention.
Never rush the work, this is normal speed, and I am sure there are many who can do it must faster. Riveting is only the finishing step, much more time is spent cutting, bending, fitting, drilling, deburring, dimpling, and corrosion prevention.
the key to not boncing the hell all over the place is to brace your arm with all you got, then rivet.5x guns can destroy the work instantly if you dont do this. push hard, listen(for the bucking bar coming off). oh yes the best advice.use the finger below your pointing finger as your regulator. stuff it between the trigger bottom and the base of the gun. squish it in between and slowly squish your finger out. this way you cant go full blast and dent your work. your finger is now the regulator.
i can buck 20 rivets in 30 secs. dont try and race. your building a home built and not in a production environment. hint, put a few clecos in space them out every 3rd hole, ream, rivet, remove clecos, ream and then rivet.moving the cleco back after every rivet bucked is counter productive.
everytime i Use the countersink rivet gun it bounces everywhere on top of the aircraft skin, how did you buck the tails so quickly , i have to sit tehre pounding the hell out of the rivet before I get the right shop head dimensions, especially for MS20426AD4-5 's
omg ur amazing NOT ha ha why dont u pin the skin down then load the holes wit riets and tape them in and then blast them ha a could hit 20 rivets in 40 seconds ha u make it look hard also where is ur fray sealant u will have alot of static elec cuming from ur product because u dont have a sealant between both mateing skins . ur funny
Do you see how you wrote "your a idiot"? It's 'you're (as in you are) an (not a) idiot. I was just kidding Moron, and yes, he is just riveting two pieces of metal together.
@anooseholay yes I did see how I put your and I thought about fixing it but I didn't think anyone would notice and yes he is riveting to things together but he isn't doing it just for the sake of doing it
None this time, I was not rushing it, this is normal speed for me. There are may who are much faster. After a few thousand rivets you get the feel for it, after finishing I look at the buck tails and sometimes need to fix one or two. On my first plane I did have to drill out some, but experiance is a good teacher and this is my third project.
The pegs are called clecos (kleekos) Best thing since sliced bread. The special pliers extend the tip so it can be put in the hole. A spring retracts the tip which spreads to lock it and pull the parts together. Don't know how they built planes before they came along.
what kind of rivet gun is that? in the market, and dont really know what brands to avoid or are good per say
Duckyistrippin 6 months ago
This is normal speed, I never rush anything on my airplane work.
DBKTube 1 year ago
@DBKTube Taking time and moving cleco's every other hole is good practice with a home build. whats teh news on the build? I see comments from 3 years ago.
aeromech99 1 year ago
I've got a question, is it really wise to try and do that stuff as fast as possible?
rva16 1 year ago
I'm a novice with tools and I've been wondering if setting rivets is the same as setting studs? For Halloween, I need to set dome studs and other decorative types into pieces of leather and metal. I'm afraid that I'll buy the wrong tool for the job. Firstly, can they be done with the same tool and what types or brands should I look for? I can't spend a lot, so a manual version, as opposed to electric tools, would be best for my budget. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. TY
ruinsatiable2 1 year ago
those must be a rivets to be soft enough to drive by hand. i havnt seen many of those in the past few years.
camochannel1 1 year ago
Why don't you put cleco's in every hole or every other hole? Sure would speed up your riveting, only having to pull a cleco to open a hole for riveting. Not having to reinstall a cleco for every hole.
sergeantsailorman 1 year ago
Good question. It depends on the situation. On most structures you do exactly what you suggested, cleco every other or every third hole. The rule I follow is that there should be a cleco (or rivet) in at least the hole next to the one that is being riveted. In this case the room inside is so restricted that I could not get to the front rivets with the whole seam clecoed down. So I "walked" the cleco down the seam as I riveted.
DBKTube 1 year ago
Hmmm, never seen tiny rivets like these. In my old metal shop we used long rivets.
madjimms 1 year ago
im curious, how do you rivert the inner parts of the wing since there is no place to place a buckling bar
MrChaoturban 1 year ago
@MrChaoturban The wing skins are put on in smaller sections, and much like the first portion of the video, they just bend the skin out of the way a little to get the bucking bar in there. There are also access holes all through the wing that they can use as well, and when the wing is completed, they screw a plate of these holes. They can then open those back up when its time for the annual inspection.
rubber314chicken 1 year ago
what are you useing for a "buck bar"??
mpflyer94 1 year ago
lol at the breathing noises. I remember that sound from watching Union members staring at the clock. Nice plane though.
aeromech99 1 year ago
wtf? you hold the camera with your mouth? you sound like darth vader
DunkelStern 1 year ago 2
the metal peice u put in the hole before the rivet, is that just to keep the next hole lined up?
callujah 1 year ago
@callujah Yes, it is a temporary fastener that holds the parts firmly together while building. It is called a "cleco" (cleek-oh) a wonderful invention.
DBKTube 1 year ago
i dnt undertsand how it works
itfben 2 years ago
dude, this is something i wouldnt rush.
gumimalac 2 years ago
Never rush the work, this is normal speed, and I am sure there are many who can do it must faster. Riveting is only the finishing step, much more time is spent cutting, bending, fitting, drilling, deburring, dimpling, and corrosion prevention.
DBKTube 2 years ago
@DBKTube
we are doing this in shop class great job with the clecos and rivets
i recommend putting tape around the rivet set to reduce the definition of dents and scrapes left by it
monimstarfox 1 year ago
Skin warping?
Do you have a buck on the backside?
MrMindfucker 2 years ago
What is the point to this video?
Rinon20 2 years ago
the key to not boncing the hell all over the place is to brace your arm with all you got, then rivet.5x guns can destroy the work instantly if you dont do this. push hard, listen(for the bucking bar coming off). oh yes the best advice.use the finger below your pointing finger as your regulator. stuff it between the trigger bottom and the base of the gun. squish it in between and slowly squish your finger out. this way you cant go full blast and dent your work. your finger is now the regulator.
cramer604 2 years ago
i can buck 20 rivets in 30 secs. dont try and race. your building a home built and not in a production environment. hint, put a few clecos in space them out every 3rd hole, ream, rivet, remove clecos, ream and then rivet.moving the cleco back after every rivet bucked is counter productive.
cramer604 2 years ago
simon u should not have to "pound the hell" out of a ms20426ad4-5 eighth rivets do not need alot of hitting.
Brickktopp 3 years ago
everytime i Use the countersink rivet gun it bounces everywhere on top of the aircraft skin, how did you buck the tails so quickly , i have to sit tehre pounding the hell out of the rivet before I get the right shop head dimensions, especially for MS20426AD4-5 's
simon3456789 3 years ago
omg ur amazing NOT ha ha why dont u pin the skin down then load the holes wit riets and tape them in and then blast them ha a could hit 20 rivets in 40 seconds ha u make it look hard also where is ur fray sealant u will have alot of static elec cuming from ur product because u dont have a sealant between both mateing skins . ur funny
Brickktopp 3 years ago
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laurelizabuff 3 years ago
My grandfather invented Astro Glide and because of him you can have a lot mor fun than riveting two pieces of metal together.
anooseholay 2 years ago
@anooseholay your a idiot your grand father did not invent anything and he isn't just riveting two pieces of metal together
toad773 1 year ago
Do you see how you wrote "your a idiot"? It's 'you're (as in you are) an (not a) idiot. I was just kidding Moron, and yes, he is just riveting two pieces of metal together.
anooseholay 1 year ago
@anooseholay yes I did see how I put your and I thought about fixing it but I didn't think anyone would notice and yes he is riveting to things together but he isn't doing it just for the sake of doing it
toad773 1 year ago
@laurelizabuff your grand father didn't event anything
toad773 1 year ago
Yup, 20 rivets in 4 mins, how many rivets did yo have to drill out cause you rushed it and stuffed the tails?
unapro3 3 years ago
None this time, I was not rushing it, this is normal speed for me. There are may who are much faster. After a few thousand rivets you get the feel for it, after finishing I look at the buck tails and sometimes need to fix one or two. On my first plane I did have to drill out some, but experiance is a good teacher and this is my third project.
DBKTube 3 years ago
what is the big thing you put in at the start? im about to build a hummel.
joshs088008 3 years ago
How is the BK flyer? It looks like an incredible design. Isnt it using a VW boxer engine?
the1bigace 3 years ago
they're monologue pins!
They stop the two surfaces from moving apart when the rivet is reacted, also locates the drilled holes so u can actually get the rivet in.
slipstream86 3 years ago
The pegs are called clecos (kleekos) Best thing since sliced bread. The special pliers extend the tip so it can be put in the hole. A spring retracts the tip which spreads to lock it and pull the parts together. Don't know how they built planes before they came along.
DBKTube 3 years ago
what are those peg looking things for? i wanna learn how to do this now haha. i want to mak a plane. looks fun to do in the garage
j5drumr 3 years ago
You CAN do it.
1veeduber 4 years ago