@DrWhoFreak100 No, the rules clearly state that the whole of the ball should have to cross the line. Though technically, the only thing that makes a goal truly count is the referee and linesman saying so. End of.
@DrWhoFreak100 The most forensic examinations show it was not quite fully over, but we're 1-1 with the Germans now anyway, so I think we should all just shut up about the whole thing forever. (Instead, let's get Mr. Rooney's handball skills worked out for when we play Argentina in 2014.)
braininahat and Nuttybot you're both right and wrong. Yes, Hunt though it crossed the line as did all trhe English and so he began celebrating rather than tapping the ball in (Personally I would have tapped it in anyway just to be safe but whatever), but the truth is, it was not a goal. It's hard to make out becasue of the goalkeeper blocking our view but there was some study about it which concluded that the ball was 6cm away from fully crossing the line, so therefore no goal.
@musicbruv the 3rd goal was not a goal, the 4th goal had english fan running onto the pitch destructing the german defenders which lead to a goal and 4th the FIFA president was english, 5th it was held in england hence the ref and official bias.
@chof0319 The ref awarded a goal thererfore it was a goal since that made the score 3-2, FIFA president was English! I dont know if he was but if he was how did he influence the game? if the ref was biased why did he award Germany a free kick in the last minutes of normal time from which the Germans scored to make it 2-2, and turn down a English appeal for handball? as for the pitch invasion it was as good as won anyway, even if we did not score the 4th we would have still won.
@chof0319 I am not talking crap and lieing about the Germans, as the ref awarded a goal then it WAS a goal, everything I said is FACT if you cannot handle that then that is your problem
The England Number 21 turns and celebrates after the ball hits the ground and bounces back towards him. You don't do that if there is any doubt the ball is still in play when you are playing in the final of a world cup and the game is tied.
@braininahat what the fuck would you know you american prick? you only stole 1 measily poin against england recently because our keeper fumbled it. That performance was englads worst for years and you yanks still couldn't even claim a convincing draw let alone a win. And what are you bassing your "worst wold cup 1966" about?
oh, and one more thing its soccer. not only did we invent the language but also the sport and both say soccer.
@Jswan500 (1) Every England game was in Wembley Stadium. (2) The German referee (Germany had tied 0-0 with Argentina earlier and was playing in the other semifinal game) ejected the Argentine captain for "violence of the tongue". LOL...the captain is who gets to talks to the ref, but not in England. (3) The ref awarded England the decisive 3rd goal versus Germany in the final, when it wasn't a goal. (4) The 4th goal came with seconds to play and with fans on the field already. JOKE title
4-2 makes it seem like it didn't matter? LOL...You realize the 4th goal was scored while English fans were running on the pitch and the referee let the play continue anyway?
The German referee ejected the Argentine captain ejected in the game versus England because of "violence of the tongue". England played all its games in Wembley Stadium. And it has never won a WC other than in 1966. You feel like it didn't cross the line? The evidence is clear that it didn't. England cheated.
@Jswan500 3-2? Hahaha. The 4th goal was allowed in the last seconds of the game while English fans were running on the pitch. Basically, it was the equivalent of a hockey team pulling its goalie and the other team scoring a meaningless goal. England were outplaye that day, and weren't better than Argentina that year either, but you bought your title, so enjoy it. Just don't expect others to ignore how you got it.
How exactly did England "cheat"? Do you even understand what the word means? In sport, "cheating" means gaining an advantage by deliberately playing outside of the rules. England did not do that here. The English players clearly thought the ball had crossed the line, otherwise Roger Hunt would have simply nodded in the rebound, rather than turning away to celebrate a goal. If it didn't cross the line, it was a refereeing error...but there was no "cheating".
@Nuttybott I do understand what 'cheating' means, which is why I didn't say this is where England cheated. It's a putative belief, except in England and Germany, that the German referee gave the Argentinian captain a red card for basically nothing in their quarter final game versus England. Neither England nor Germany were as good as Argentina that year, and the only chance Germany had of winning was to face England in the final, and the only chance England had was collusion.
@Nuttybott And your analysis is wrong too. The German player comes in after he does and has to jump to head it over the bar. Basically, you're claiming that the English player could have jumped higher than the German, headed the ball higher in the air than the German, and headed the ball in a higher spot (to head it into goal) than the German --- all without the advantage of as good a running start and while being closer to the ball. He raised his hand because he couldn't score it.
@braininahat No, that is not correct. If you watch the video closely Roger Hunt (No 21) arrives BEFORE the German defender, and could easily have reached the ball and headed it in as it rose from the goal-line. That is what you would normally expect a striker to do. But he didn't even TRY to do that...because he believed the ball had already crossed the line, he checked his run, stopped, and turned to celebrate the goal.
And WHERE exactly is your proof of this "collusion"???
but, the germans will say if that hadnt been allowed, it may have been different (even though england were playing extremely well in the final and probably would have won anyway) and us english will say if lampards goal had been given on june the 27th 2010 it could have been a different game...but we all know, eventually, both games would have had the same outcome, but thats football for you
@Arsenalgunner27 your really funny mate, "Germany outplayed england that day?", yeah mate thats why it was 4-2. dont bother bull-shitting anymore or i will delete te comments. also the whole world know we won it, only you think we "bought it"
as an englishman, I dont feel as if that crossed the line...I actually feel like a traitor but I wouldnt like to win a world cup by cheating, undeserved. But then again, the fact it was 4-2 does make it seem like it doesnt matter...however if that hadnt gone in it could have been a different game....but then again, the fact that a goal for england (which was a goal no doubt) was dissallowed in knockout game does kinda make this feel justified.
@Arsenalgunner27 it think your right mate, unfortunately. I saw a programme recently where they used computer generators and part of the ball was still on the line. not sure how accurate the computer was, maybe made by a german? lol
It was a payback ,in 1966 England had a allowed goal that should have been disallowed and now England had a disallowed goal that should have been a goal against Germany.
Why didn't Roger Hunt throw himself at the ball to make sure it cross the line so there be no debate?
MightyRoos 1 month ago
it was more over the line than not, which counts as a goal. end of
DrWhoFreak100 2 months ago
@DrWhoFreak100 No, the rules clearly state that the whole of the ball should have to cross the line. Though technically, the only thing that makes a goal truly count is the referee and linesman saying so. End of.
kisbie 2 months ago
@kisbie its weird coz at one angle it is fully over the line but at another its on the line. so to me its still inconclusive
DrWhoFreak100 2 months ago
@DrWhoFreak100 The most forensic examinations show it was not quite fully over, but we're 1-1 with the Germans now anyway, so I think we should all just shut up about the whole thing forever. (Instead, let's get Mr. Rooney's handball skills worked out for when we play Argentina in 2014.)
kisbie 2 months ago
@kisbie we play argentina in 2014? good really coz they havent beaten england at all since 1998.
DrWhoFreak100 2 months ago
braininahat and Nuttybot you're both right and wrong. Yes, Hunt though it crossed the line as did all trhe English and so he began celebrating rather than tapping the ball in (Personally I would have tapped it in anyway just to be safe but whatever), but the truth is, it was not a goal. It's hard to make out becasue of the goalkeeper blocking our view but there was some study about it which concluded that the ball was 6cm away from fully crossing the line, so therefore no goal.
elijahhandley 2 months ago
The england man should of slotted that ball home to make sure instead of turning around fucking looking at the ref.
UKHecks98 7 months ago
english cheats
chof0319 1 year ago
@chof0319 LOML how can that be cheating? the ref awarded the goal, so how was the English cheating?
musicbruv 8 months ago
@musicbruv Cheating
chof0319 8 months ago
@chof0319 Please explain your "cheating" comment, how was this cheating acheived??
musicbruv 8 months ago
@musicbruv the 3rd goal was not a goal, the 4th goal had english fan running onto the pitch destructing the german defenders which lead to a goal and 4th the FIFA president was english, 5th it was held in england hence the ref and official bias.
chof0319 8 months ago
@chof0319 The ref awarded a goal thererfore it was a goal since that made the score 3-2, FIFA president was English! I dont know if he was but if he was how did he influence the game? if the ref was biased why did he award Germany a free kick in the last minutes of normal time from which the Germans scored to make it 2-2, and turn down a English appeal for handball? as for the pitch invasion it was as good as won anyway, even if we did not score the 4th we would have still won.
musicbruv 8 months ago
@musicbruv dont talk crap and lie about germans. u did not score a legit goal.
chof0319 8 months ago
@chof0319 I am not talking crap and lieing about the Germans, as the ref awarded a goal then it WAS a goal, everything I said is FACT if you cannot handle that then that is your problem
musicbruv 8 months ago
and since then a referee has never been on our side
stoopid335 1 year ago
The England Number 21 turns and celebrates after the ball hits the ground and bounces back towards him. You don't do that if there is any doubt the ball is still in play when you are playing in the final of a world cup and the game is tied.
agband 1 year ago
@braininahat not in the top 30? yeah thats why fifa rank us 7th
Jswan500 1 year ago
@braininahat what the fuck would you know you american prick? you only stole 1 measily poin against england recently because our keeper fumbled it. That performance was englads worst for years and you yanks still couldn't even claim a convincing draw let alone a win. And what are you bassing your "worst wold cup 1966" about?
oh, and one more thing its soccer. not only did we invent the language but also the sport and both say soccer.
Jswan500 1 year ago
@Jswan500 football even, ha not soccer
Jswan500 1 year ago
@Jswan500 (1) Every England game was in Wembley Stadium. (2) The German referee (Germany had tied 0-0 with Argentina earlier and was playing in the other semifinal game) ejected the Argentine captain for "violence of the tongue". LOL...the captain is who gets to talks to the ref, but not in England. (3) The ref awarded England the decisive 3rd goal versus Germany in the final, when it wasn't a goal. (4) The 4th goal came with seconds to play and with fans on the field already. JOKE title
braininahat 1 year ago
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Mickolboy1 1 year ago
4-2 makes it seem like it didn't matter? LOL...You realize the 4th goal was scored while English fans were running on the pitch and the referee let the play continue anyway?
The German referee ejected the Argentine captain ejected in the game versus England because of "violence of the tongue". England played all its games in Wembley Stadium. And it has never won a WC other than in 1966. You feel like it didn't cross the line? The evidence is clear that it didn't. England cheated.
braininahat 1 year ago
@braininahat ok it wasn't in. 3-2
Jswan500 1 year ago
@Jswan500 3-2? Hahaha. The 4th goal was allowed in the last seconds of the game while English fans were running on the pitch. Basically, it was the equivalent of a hockey team pulling its goalie and the other team scoring a meaningless goal. England were outplaye that day, and weren't better than Argentina that year either, but you bought your title, so enjoy it. Just don't expect others to ignore how you got it.
braininahat 1 year ago
@braininahat "England cheated"
How exactly did England "cheat"? Do you even understand what the word means? In sport, "cheating" means gaining an advantage by deliberately playing outside of the rules. England did not do that here. The English players clearly thought the ball had crossed the line, otherwise Roger Hunt would have simply nodded in the rebound, rather than turning away to celebrate a goal. If it didn't cross the line, it was a refereeing error...but there was no "cheating".
Nuttybott 7 months ago
@Nuttybott I do understand what 'cheating' means, which is why I didn't say this is where England cheated. It's a putative belief, except in England and Germany, that the German referee gave the Argentinian captain a red card for basically nothing in their quarter final game versus England. Neither England nor Germany were as good as Argentina that year, and the only chance Germany had of winning was to face England in the final, and the only chance England had was collusion.
braininahat 7 months ago
@Nuttybott And your analysis is wrong too. The German player comes in after he does and has to jump to head it over the bar. Basically, you're claiming that the English player could have jumped higher than the German, headed the ball higher in the air than the German, and headed the ball in a higher spot (to head it into goal) than the German --- all without the advantage of as good a running start and while being closer to the ball. He raised his hand because he couldn't score it.
braininahat 7 months ago
@braininahat No, that is not correct. If you watch the video closely Roger Hunt (No 21) arrives BEFORE the German defender, and could easily have reached the ball and headed it in as it rose from the goal-line. That is what you would normally expect a striker to do. But he didn't even TRY to do that...because he believed the ball had already crossed the line, he checked his run, stopped, and turned to celebrate the goal.
And WHERE exactly is your proof of this "collusion"???
Nuttybott 7 months ago
but, the germans will say if that hadnt been allowed, it may have been different (even though england were playing extremely well in the final and probably would have won anyway) and us english will say if lampards goal had been given on june the 27th 2010 it could have been a different game...but we all know, eventually, both games would have had the same outcome, but thats football for you
Arsenalgunner27 1 year ago 4
@Arsenalgunner27 your really funny mate, "Germany outplayed england that day?", yeah mate thats why it was 4-2. dont bother bull-shitting anymore or i will delete te comments. also the whole world know we won it, only you think we "bought it"
Jswan500 1 year ago
as an englishman, I dont feel as if that crossed the line...I actually feel like a traitor but I wouldnt like to win a world cup by cheating, undeserved. But then again, the fact it was 4-2 does make it seem like it doesnt matter...however if that hadnt gone in it could have been a different game....but then again, the fact that a goal for england (which was a goal no doubt) was dissallowed in knockout game does kinda make this feel justified.
Arsenalgunner27 1 year ago
@Arsenalgunner27 it think your right mate, unfortunately. I saw a programme recently where they used computer generators and part of the ball was still on the line. not sure how accurate the computer was, maybe made by a german? lol
Jswan500 1 year ago
@Jswan500 lol, no way mate, that ball was clearly over the line. not to be standing up for england or anything but it was over the line.
Arsenalgunner27 1 year ago
It was a payback ,in 1966 England had a allowed goal that should have been disallowed and now England had a disallowed goal that should have been a goal against Germany.
gracjan12344 1 year ago
Karma is a bitch!
ExpertDude13 1 year ago
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Holy crap this is what exactly happen today. But this time the ball did cross the line but it the goal was disallowed.
centenosparky 1 year ago
Holy crap this is what exactly happen today. But this time the goal was disallowed.
centenosparky 1 year ago
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centenosparky 1 year ago
Karma...oh beautifull karma
espalexi666 1 year ago
Expect this video to get some hits today if we talk about karma....
tommytransformer 1 year ago