There are ( in my opinion ) a few things A.A could very well stand changing. The main one is allowing Judges and parole officers to "FORCE" people to go to A.A
Most of those who are forced to go, do not, and will not even try to stop the behavior.
Because A.A was started as a "PRIVATE" and self supporting group....what gives the city, are State government to right to use it as a means of avoiding punishment?
@vidiosdave AA not only allows mandated attendance, it depends upon it for a steady stream of potential indoctrinees. If court orders stop, AA becomes much smaller. Mike BD
Without AA I would be dead. AA is not suppost to be for the general public. It is for people who have driven to hell, looked into the eyes of satan, then done a U-turn. If you dont like it because of its old traditions, lack of change, etc..., then go back and take a longer look into satans eyes or create a different type of AA for everyone else.
@OurHavenStuart This channel isn't really for the general public, either, or people who are happy with their AA experiences. Thanks for the additional insight, though. Mike BD
AA meetings and a good sponsor helped me get and stay sober. I've been sober six years and was in AA the first two. I'm atheist but never caught any flak for it. Of course it's not perfect, but I had a completely positive experience there. A Cult? Bullshiiiiiiiiiiiit...
I just left AA after being a member since 2003. While there, I served as president to their Alano Club, served on the board of directors, cleaned their bathrooms many times over, did shopping for the club's groceries, decorated it for the holidays, etc. After finding a newcomer man in the backyard in a compromising position with the 9 year old child of a member-I tactfully confided in a senior member. He not only told everyone-but I was threatened-stalked-and riduculed beyond belief.
@peggygenoway Yes, I too was chided for pointing out the inappropriate behaviors of a convicted rapist. I'm hoping you consider reporting the crime to the real authorities. Mike BD
@willbond He was a man in the program who had 40+ years sober. I always thought this guy was like a dad to me, and I knew his wife too. The way he betrayed my confidence was very painful and caused a lot of grief for me. I ran out of characters earlier-so just put senior member. I am aware there is no one that ranks differently.
@OurHavenStuart 12-step membership actually peaked around 1992, and has been gradually declining ever since. As for efficacy, we cover that on other videos. Mike BD
@OurHavenStuart Sure, if you call 5-10% of the people there getting and staying sober a "success". I just left there. The big book is outdated beyond belief.
AA has a recipe that works. In the early years when AA was followed closly, they had a recovery rate of 75%. As the years have gone on, this rate has gone way down as people have strayed from the original recipe. In a lot of cases the person not wanting to follow the AA recipe is in denial. Everything in the world is constant, it only our understanding of it that is changing.
@sglenna The cherry-picked 75% rate is just that. See our videos "Rarely Have We Seen Alcoholics Work" and "Alcoholics Anonymous Attrition Rates" for further expansion. Mike BD
You have a resentment about AA because AA is helping alcoholics stay sober for 75 years and how is that a bad thing. If alcoholics stay sober whay do you care so much. It's because maybe your one yourself and your not surrendered enough to let it work. I find the 12 steps work in all kinds of recovery programs so many have benifited. This all seems very strang that you would target AA and you seem to be going to great lengths to put it down.
Be a nobody by turning your "will" over to God. Be somebody by keeping and strengthening your will in God's light. My God does not want me to turn my will over to him. My God wants me to have a strong mind, will, and spirit by being a complete person in his image. God gave me "free will", and God never asked for it back.
Fisrt thing they need to change is allowing smoking outside of the meetings. Also in their literature at the begining of the NA book it says "alcohol and marijuana are also drugs and cause a great many people to relapse"(paraphrased). Well nicotine has psychoactive properties just lik alcohol and marijuana. nicotine is addictive and effects dopamine and the reward system in the brain just like alcohol, opioids, cocaine, meth. Marijuana can be habit forming but it is not as addictive asnicotine
@rp11112 alcohol and tobacco kill far more people than all illegal drugs combined.Yet there is no mention of tobacco in the book yet most people smoke outside of the meeting and the book also mentions abstinence from all mood(or mind?) altering substances yet they supply coffee and nobody really frowns upon tobacco uses because there is no stigma. Yes coffee is even a psychoactive mood/mind altering substance. Caffeine overdose is quite nasty and causes delirium,
continue: I know there's alot of positive things about AA but like most things out there, it's not open to change. Changing the program is "not" a part of the process but it should be. We're smart enough today to realize that our ideas can always be challenged and improved. When we look at the past we're amazed at the igorance of our fore fathers yet we think "we've arrived"? Really? We have all these fancy programs and mental health "professionals" yet look around ! We're not doing so great.
Continued:with "that is the best theory we have so far".That is what real open mindedness is.People who react defensively when someone challenges their beliefs are not open to the posibility that their beliefs can either be wrong,or partly wrong. If you think about it, these programs, religions etc tell you to focus on personal growth and that it's a never ending process [yet] the program is perfect? It doesn't need to grow? When you challenge the programs "perfection" you are accused of denial.
I'm just stepping into the conversation here so i'm open to different ideas. After studying human evolution and the progress we've made in technology/ space etc for the last little while, i was really impressed with this video because it was the "exact" same conclusion i came up with. I didn't think about AA but more or less all programs, all systems.the bottom line is that wether it's a self help program or a space program, all knowledge we write down or talk about should always be concuded
Hi mike... Its me again. the book Alcoholics Anonymous has sold over 30 million copys since original publishing In the late 1930s and is on the list for "best selling books of All Time"! oh... And everything will destroy its self eventualy, even our Sun.
@ogaextreme2035 Which list, specifically? I used to tell that lie, too, until I actually checked. It has indeed sold millions, yet the program still can manage only single-digit retention rates. Mike BD
maybe you're right. funny though how experts (not lay critiques) are presently closing in on theories based on some fairly weighty stats that could make the AA book one of the most important books written...EVER!! these are not members of AA! these are scholars that are making these predictions. is that why the original manuscript of the book is currently commanding extremely large sums of dollars... like in excess of 60 grand on climbing? i predict fakes will surface soon Mike!
@blamethenile no i don't care to, and that doesn't change that it's fact. you're the one bashing AA.. the burden to ride this out is yours, not mine. Your grillcheese theory comparison is lame as that was a tabloid rumor to began with, and it didn't start a following of millions (cruising towards billions) all over the world with all time best selling book (AA uncounted) spreading exponentially and irreversibly throughout the entire world and literally shaping human history and consciousness.
@blamethenile A link? I tell ya what...Run out in the street and start blaming everyone you see and claim you are a high end Mensa. How can anyone disagree?
Mike, it's common for people with an intelectually elite complex to completely abandon common sense. Who are you trying to reach? Alcoholics and addicts trying to grab their 1st breath? This would put most of them asleep faster than a Baptist preacher. Are you trying to reach people that have had some success with sobriety through a 12 step program? What's your motive?
justification/rationalization, maybey to keep yourself a victum of your iner termoil and unrest, i understand i do it all the time, resentments are like eating poison and waiting for the other person to die... Tom.B, proud A.A member.
So many live resentful bc they cannot quit drinking and want to blame AA, their parents, their society, etc... etc. What people forget is that AA doesn't recruit or put themselves out there to increase membership. The only goal is to quit drinking and learn to live in sobriety.
@jose8a2007 Wonderful response, if only any of it were true. Wilson himself admitted AA's real goal is to be of maximum service to God. AA has put itself in courts, treatment centers, prisons and HHS agencies, and has ALWAYS courted the press, the clergy and the medical community to send it new members. Keep telling yourself that non and ex-AAs are resentful at and jealous of your capacity to drink the Koolade. Mike BD
@blamethenile Right but that "higher power" refers to each member how it is conceived. I know guys who's higher power is "light"(no Jesus or Allah). As long as you BELIEVE in a higher power. AA doesn't preach actual religion. And just to be clear.. MOST alcoholics are resentful people to begin with. The ones who recover better are the ones who admit it(along with whatever character flaws they have) and dig deep into WHY they drink. Very personal stuff. To each their own.
@jose8a2007 Steppism IS a religion, complete with a watchful, favor-dispensing God who allows you to call or not Him or it whatever you choose, as long as you go to meetings, work steps, pray a lot, and spread the 12-step toxin. Your stereotypical description of "most alcoholics" is just that, and has basis only in the nonsensical text and dogma of the 12-step movement. It certainly does nothing to address the complex mal-adaptive behaviours which constitute substance abuse/addiction. Mike BD
@blamethenile SO I guess overeater's annonymous are really them damn religion people also at work with their evil plan to rule us? lol Dude relax. Maybe you need a drink... lol I love to hear what you gotta say about Obama... Let me get a seat and some popcorn. This is gonna be good! XD
@blamethenile lol Guys like you live in constant fear. I would actually be stupid of me to convince you that AA, the government, your local chuch ,or whatever the topic is not going to take your kids away.(that's even if you have any). You live off that. Besides, why take away your cute smirk?(it's all you got) LOL
@blamethenile- The ignorant claim that (AA) "does nothing to address the complex mal-adaptive behaviours which constitute substance abuse/addiction" is undeniably false.If you have read the literature/experienced the program as delineated, you would realize that the fellowship and spiritual program address maladaptive behaviours in their totality- addressing not just the substance but all of the complex cognitions, traumas and behavioural tendencies which perpetuate selfharm
@soepea Sorry, but "don't drink, go to meetings, and read the Bigbook" does not address anything in its totality, let alone the spectrum of difficulties which comprise addiction. Mike BD
@blamethenile -- The suggestion sets a foundation for rigorous work, including seeking professional treatment, cognitive and behavioural coping strategies, practical support. Empirical studies have demonstrated that 12-step programmes, namely AA, provide a wealth of psychological benefits resulting in more than successful substance use cessation. I am in this field of study; so mind you, I do not say this ignorantly.
@blamethenile If you have a copy of the original manuscript, then you can see that it was edited before publication. One of your tube videos says the book was never edited. That's what i was referring to. The Book That Started It All: The Original Working Manuscript of Alcoholics Anonymous, sold by Hazelton, shows all of the edited markings before it became published. My point, again, goes back to herbert spencer, "...contempt prior to investigation..."
@Hummelins We know the bigbook has been edited numerous times, so are not sure which video you are talking about. If you want to play gotcha, you should improve your game. Like many things bigbook, the Herbert Spencer quote is bogus. William Paley is the one who credible sources cite as the originator of the now-famous quote. Mike BD
I see Mr Blamethenile is still posting his videos which attempt to dis-credit Alcoholics Anonymous. Is this the same chap who claims to be an ex-alcoholic? The same chap who could not stop and stay stopped drinking by his own willpower and knowledge? The very same chap that walked through the doors of A.A because he was powerless over alcohol and used and needed A.A to stop drinking? who now see's fit to deny others that chance by posting videos dis-crediting the same fellowship which saved you!
@07henrik There are two of us who write and produce these videos, BlaMe and Mike Blamedenial. One is from the US and the other from the UK. For Mike's drinking abstinence experience, see our video "Spontaneous Remission". Hope that helps. Thanks for stopping by. Mike BD
AA saved my life so please try it if you feel you have a problem with alcahole. It is so sad that this video may incourage some one to not go who could also be helped by AA and there for prolong their suffering. I would be ashamed to post a distructive video like this.
@heaveho94 LOL, keep comin back, whoever posted this insane v is in fact unintellectual trying to sound intelligent by using scientific words, tard flake if i ever knew one.!! AA to all you who visit this site and any other posts or blogs that bashes AA , listen closely, it will never ever END.. its grown over the planet !!! if your an alcoholic, we can help you with your booze problem period, this is not directed at people who enjoy booze and are not alcoholic ok ?? make sense? yea i knew it
@blamethenile welcome , accept it's my experience not an opinion, the program works, and its free, and a humble place, those big hospitals for the movie stars and hospitals want huge money to pamper people, which leads to more bs. detox is needed though, but the practical program of action and study is what works, for the true alcoholic, i think some folks may be ex-problem drinkers, their still social drinkers, they can back off it with will power, not the real alcoholic and addict ,its fact.
@frankenboston Your experience and opinions of AA are vastly different than ours, as can be clearly seen in our videos. I'm an ex-alcoholic, however you want to dance with it. That's a fact. Mike BD
Wow this dude really hates AA. Why don't you write your own book, start your own alternative program and let us know about it. That video was funny!!1
@jimmiespeed Who needs a book when there are more than five hours of videos available right here on a multitude of 12-step-critical topics, all free? Who needs an alternative to smoke, mirrors, and mumbo-jumbo? Mike BD
AA ideology HAS changed. According to this video, it's impossible for it NOT to change.
Take the concept of "codependence". It didn't exist before 1980.
It "comes directly out of Alcoholics Anonymous, part of a dawning realization that the problem was not solely the addict, but also the family and friends who constitute a network for the alcoholic" (Davis, 2008).
Indeed, it has escaped the confines of 12 step ideology and spread into psychoanalysis as "co-narcissism" & "inverted narcissism".
AA has worked like a charm for me.... got a sponsor right away took three weeks to five weeks to go through and learn all the steps and put program into action...never looked back....amazing changed my life have not had a drink in nine years....love it!!!
'mike bd ... is that the best you can do ? haha. you sit tere posting dirt all day putting down other fellowships and yet you cant answer any questions aout the 12 step programme . its alot easier to be a sceptic than an optomist mike .. :)) happy , joyous and free, that I am... xxx
@ MIKE BD .. cmon man. lmao. wtf is this type of tripe you are posting ? if you dont like AA dont go to it. simple. we dont put any other fellowship down dude. why should you ? maybe do a little work on self dude. get a life man . get out from behind you screen and help someone , rather than sitting there all day ranting about other self help groups... hahahaha, it dont make sence dude .
@ BLAMETHE NILE. you my child are a very bitter bitter man ... so what if you have been to AA and didny like it ... i go there and i love it. im still sober, happy , joyous and free from addiction . once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic bro.. resentment is the number 1 offender my friend, i will kill you. get yourself a sponsor and do some work on self ...if anything it will give you an indepth knowledge about yur make up .. painfull stuff i bet ...lol
@irishraver38 Again, if you are so happy in AA, why are you watching all these videos? Your sobriety rants aren't what we would expect from a calm, serene person. Mike BD
interesting angle, the video values insight over knowledge, yet the end criticises the method rather than the outcome. 12/s multifaceted and organic process seems to evolve a challenging and removing of redundant belief systems as challenges and fears are confronted. The need for a higher awareness and therefore greater insight into the objective truth of a situation in order to overcome entrenched belief systems seems to be well understood. Everyone has their dogma, none are so blind....
@LoveCamouflage Does someone have to have been adversely affected by any issue in order to legitimately formulate a passionate, well-founded and researched opinion regarding that issue? We aren't trying to scare you, or even sway you. Enjoy your meeting. Mike BD
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This video is nonsense. I will never understand why some are so vehemently against AA. If AA helps even just one person, it's valuable. No one is forced to join or stay in AA. If you don't agree with it, just leave.
Hey I heard there is no such thing as "static" ideas and beliefs, well what about yours? I can agree that there is likely other paths to sobriety yet also that AA has historically been the most successful and has saved likely millions of lives. How many have you saved before you critize a system that has accomplished more than you have.
@RehabTampaFlorida Any facts to back up your assertions? Nearly 80% of all who quit drug/alcohol abuse do so on their own. Even one of AA's greatest advocates admitted that the 12-step approach does nothing to alter the natural outcomes of alcohol abuse. Mike BD
@blamethenile Mike what dishonesty and deceptiveness? Not the people, but AA as a whole. You also claim AA will not survice, but when is that decline going to happen. Anyone can state that something is going to end if they don't have to give a time frame. I can state that democracy or capitalism is going to end, but when?
@tomhabs Hey, Tom, Long-time, no-see. AA is institutionally dishonest regarding its history, methods, outcomes, religiosity and recruitment tactics. As far as its demise, about five years after the coerced membership ends. Mike BD
Okay then, here's my suggestion... Find someone who has lost everything to alcohol and/or drugs and is considering going to AA and steer them away from it. Then, take them in to your home and feed and clothe them until they're all better. Make sure to play them LOTS of pretentious ambient/shoe gazer music. Share with them your solution to their problem, and let me know how that works out for ya.
For someone who dosnt need AA you sure spend ALOT of time resenting it. I hope you find peace somehow mike bd. however you find it is your choice..but yours seems like a misserable way 2 live.
What I hate is how the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY has infected 12 step programs and it has become routine to prescribe dangerous unhealthy ADDICTIVE drugs to people in recovery. Bill Wilson knew he was setting up something that would challenge the huge industry of drug and alcohol addiction. Most "treatment" centers are designed to fail.
@my12steptruth Most treatment centers are based on the 12-step model, so yes, they are designed to fail. Which drugs are you specifically referring to? Mike BD
@blamethenile -- It is standard to prescribe the drugs Stevie Nicks said, "ruined my life" -- 12 Step addresses the root of all mental illness -- narcissism -- which most find threatening unless they are TRULY ready to want to GET out of the misery of addiction. That 12 Step lasted a day is a miracle! Getting TRULY healthy is threatening to many big powerful businesses that have brain washed us all since birth with powerful subliminal advertising. AA SETS YOU FREE and it WORKS IF YOU WORK IT~
We may evolve to the point where human behaviors are no longer driven by the (fear based) reptilian brain and alcohol and drugs are no longer sought to relieve the terror that drives the alcoholic. But until then I am grateful for the twelve steps of AA that have helped me enjoy a life with less fear and more joy for the last 32 years.
"Experience has taught me that the stronger the denial the less the reason to believe it" From Miles to Go by Richard Paul Evans
Wisdom is where we find it.
I've lost faith in traditional religion but can still find great knowledge from that source. With AA you don't have to believe what I believe to get relief from the disease of alcoholism.
@6lbhead You deny the religiosity of 12-steppism, yet plead your faith in it. Without AA, one can find relief from alcohol abuse without jumping through any of its self-contradicting hoops and the life-long commitment to the disease nonsense. Mike BD
Most programs for addiction use the simple 12 step system. Rehab is a huge multi-million $ business. AA helped me to stay sober since 1977. I stay sober "one day at a time". An alcoholic is never "safe" we will be tempted, without knowledge gained from the "fellowship" of AA, I would have no defense. Cancer victims join together to share their experience, strength and hope. It's the same concept as AA. Do you have a problem with cancer support groups? Mormons are a cult, not AA.
@6lbhead When I need support, I lean against a tree. Be very careful. Mormons outnumber 12-step practitioners about seven to one in this country, and they tend to take much better care of themselves than do the cigarette-smoking, coffee-swilling alpha walruses at the Thursday nite beegbook meeting. Mike BD
I am a fully-recovered alcoholic ~ transformed by the simple design for living outlined in simple steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Living this Way life on a daily basis creates personal transformation ~ a psychic change. Self-awareness and emotional intelligence increase and grow exponentially. Thinking becomes clear and inspired. Navigating challenging life events is successfully done because the mind operates from a place of calm. Meditation is key. Love and Service, AA works if you work it.
AA is a bunch of people with something in common who get together once or twice a week have a coffee and support each other. No one has ever tryed to get me to believe or disbelieve anything. Unlike this video. Who is the sanctimonious one here?
Like any group it has its share of nutbars and fanatics. Big deal...I dont associate with them. It helps remind me why I cant drink anymore. It is a lot more pleasant place than prison..perhaps you should do a video on prisons...lol
A.A. helps people. It really doesn't affect anybody who isn't in A.A. wanting to get rid of A.A. is like wanting to ban Gay marraige. It doesn't affect you in any way, it makes other people happy, why be a dick about it? Go find a cause that matters.
@blamethenile it's not that the institutions have anything in common. it's that the people who feel the need to try and ban them do. why try to ban something that doesn't affect you?
hellz yeah the steps proved my belief system was wrong... Its against AA traditions to have opinions on outside issues (10th tradition) thats why assume AA hasnt endorsed alternatives. AAs who have had a spiritual awakening wont ridicule challenges to the steps, in fact I usually say if it works for you, hell yeah brother! i've never told anyone they were in denial or they have to stop drinking or say you have to take the steps. We have no monopoly on recovery, thats obvious haha :)
12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people. Citizens are cult members. They support the violence used against them like Battered wife syndrome
@blamethenile...I would like to say one last thing (although I can't promise I won't think of something else later.)
Many people have a problem with AA's first step, which says "we are powerless over alcohol" (you can replace alcohol with anything such as marijuana, cocaine, heroine, gambling, etc..).
Powerless does not mean we do not make choices! People in AA have freedom of choice. Poweless means once we take one drink, one hit, one line...we can't stop which I have found to be true.
You are correct. If you have the realization you “cannot” drink then don’t drink. AA simply provides a support system (as do other means of recovery).
Got to love free speech though…I like debating this stuff, as clearly you do to.
Why did I choose to pick up that first drink and a drug (relapse you may call it)…because I’m very young and thought maybe I am not an alcoholic and addict. That R&D provided no return on my investment, while AA has.
There are ( in my opinion ) a few things A.A could very well stand changing. The main one is allowing Judges and parole officers to "FORCE" people to go to A.A
Most of those who are forced to go, do not, and will not even try to stop the behavior.
Because A.A was started as a "PRIVATE" and self supporting group....what gives the city, are State government to right to use it as a means of avoiding punishment?
vidiosdave 2 days ago
@vidiosdave AA not only allows mandated attendance, it depends upon it for a steady stream of potential indoctrinees. If court orders stop, AA becomes much smaller. Mike BD
blamethenile 2 days ago
Without AA I would be dead. AA is not suppost to be for the general public. It is for people who have driven to hell, looked into the eyes of satan, then done a U-turn. If you dont like it because of its old traditions, lack of change, etc..., then go back and take a longer look into satans eyes or create a different type of AA for everyone else.
OurHavenStuart 6 days ago
@OurHavenStuart This channel isn't really for the general public, either, or people who are happy with their AA experiences. Thanks for the additional insight, though. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 days ago
AA meetings and a good sponsor helped me get and stay sober. I've been sober six years and was in AA the first two. I'm atheist but never caught any flak for it. Of course it's not perfect, but I had a completely positive experience there. A Cult? Bullshiiiiiiiiiiiit...
willbond 6 days ago
@willbond And then you moved on, as it should be. Congrats, Mike BD
blamethenile 6 days ago
I just left AA after being a member since 2003. While there, I served as president to their Alano Club, served on the board of directors, cleaned their bathrooms many times over, did shopping for the club's groceries, decorated it for the holidays, etc. After finding a newcomer man in the backyard in a compromising position with the 9 year old child of a member-I tactfully confided in a senior member. He not only told everyone-but I was threatened-stalked-and riduculed beyond belief.
peggygenoway 6 days ago
@peggygenoway Yes, I too was chided for pointing out the inappropriate behaviors of a convicted rapist. I'm hoping you consider reporting the crime to the real authorities. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 days ago
@peggygenoway Told a senior member? Was he a police officer?
willbond 6 days ago
@willbond He was a man in the program who had 40+ years sober. I always thought this guy was like a dad to me, and I knew his wife too. The way he betrayed my confidence was very painful and caused a lot of grief for me. I ran out of characters earlier-so just put senior member. I am aware there is no one that ranks differently.
peggygenoway 5 days ago
AA works and is still growing at an amazing rate, dAA, NA, GA, OA, CA & SLAA
OurHavenStuart 1 week ago
@OurHavenStuart 12-step membership actually peaked around 1992, and has been gradually declining ever since. As for efficacy, we cover that on other videos. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 week ago
@OurHavenStuart Sure, if you call 5-10% of the people there getting and staying sober a "success". I just left there. The big book is outdated beyond belief.
peggygenoway 6 days ago
whats the song in the beginning?
SleepyDisso 1 week ago
That was horribly researched and terribly uninformative. Thank you for wasting four minutes and 9 seconds of my life.
VaqueroMuerte 1 week ago
AA has a recipe that works. In the early years when AA was followed closly, they had a recovery rate of 75%. As the years have gone on, this rate has gone way down as people have strayed from the original recipe. In a lot of cases the person not wanting to follow the AA recipe is in denial. Everything in the world is constant, it only our understanding of it that is changing.
sglenna 1 week ago
@sglenna The cherry-picked 75% rate is just that. See our videos "Rarely Have We Seen Alcoholics Work" and "Alcoholics Anonymous Attrition Rates" for further expansion. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 week ago
You have a resentment about AA because AA is helping alcoholics stay sober for 75 years and how is that a bad thing. If alcoholics stay sober whay do you care so much. It's because maybe your one yourself and your not surrendered enough to let it work. I find the 12 steps work in all kinds of recovery programs so many have benifited. This all seems very strang that you would target AA and you seem to be going to great lengths to put it down.
BigGregWalsh 1 week ago
@BigGregWalsh Interesting diagnoses. Are you really a doctor, or do you just play one in
AA meetings? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 week ago
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Be a nobody by turning your "will" over to God. Be somebody by keeping and strengthening your will in God's light. My God does not want me to turn my will over to him. My God wants me to have a strong mind, will, and spirit by being a complete person in his image. God gave me "free will", and God never asked for it back.
lakesrabner 2 weeks ago
Fisrt thing they need to change is allowing smoking outside of the meetings. Also in their literature at the begining of the NA book it says "alcohol and marijuana are also drugs and cause a great many people to relapse"(paraphrased). Well nicotine has psychoactive properties just lik alcohol and marijuana. nicotine is addictive and effects dopamine and the reward system in the brain just like alcohol, opioids, cocaine, meth. Marijuana can be habit forming but it is not as addictive asnicotine
rp11112 2 weeks ago
@rp11112 alcohol and tobacco kill far more people than all illegal drugs combined.Yet there is no mention of tobacco in the book yet most people smoke outside of the meeting and the book also mentions abstinence from all mood(or mind?) altering substances yet they supply coffee and nobody really frowns upon tobacco uses because there is no stigma. Yes coffee is even a psychoactive mood/mind altering substance. Caffeine overdose is quite nasty and causes delirium,
rp11112 2 weeks ago
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AA was and is a huge threat to BOTH the liquor AND the drug industry.
Excellent info about Vitamin B-3 and how it helps you stay sober too:
vitaminb-3therapy.blogspot.com
IF IT DOESN'T WORK WHY IS IT STILL AROUND?
my12steptruth 2 weeks ago
continue: I know there's alot of positive things about AA but like most things out there, it's not open to change. Changing the program is "not" a part of the process but it should be. We're smart enough today to realize that our ideas can always be challenged and improved. When we look at the past we're amazed at the igorance of our fore fathers yet we think "we've arrived"? Really? We have all these fancy programs and mental health "professionals" yet look around ! We're not doing so great.
cornwallacadian 3 weeks ago
@cornwallacadian Nothing to add to what you have said. Thanks for posting. Mike BD
blamethenile 2 weeks ago
Continued:with "that is the best theory we have so far".That is what real open mindedness is.People who react defensively when someone challenges their beliefs are not open to the posibility that their beliefs can either be wrong,or partly wrong. If you think about it, these programs, religions etc tell you to focus on personal growth and that it's a never ending process [yet] the program is perfect? It doesn't need to grow? When you challenge the programs "perfection" you are accused of denial.
cornwallacadian 3 weeks ago
I'm just stepping into the conversation here so i'm open to different ideas. After studying human evolution and the progress we've made in technology/ space etc for the last little while, i was really impressed with this video because it was the "exact" same conclusion i came up with. I didn't think about AA but more or less all programs, all systems.the bottom line is that wether it's a self help program or a space program, all knowledge we write down or talk about should always be concuded
cornwallacadian 3 weeks ago
a lot of interesting talk
SaraJan81 3 weeks ago
Hi mike... Its me again. the book Alcoholics Anonymous has sold over 30 million copys since original publishing In the late 1930s and is on the list for "best selling books of All Time"! oh... And everything will destroy its self eventualy, even our Sun.
ogaextreme2035 3 weeks ago
@ogaextreme2035 Which list, specifically? I used to tell that lie, too, until I actually checked. It has indeed sold millions, yet the program still can manage only single-digit retention rates. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 weeks ago
@blamethenile
maybe you're right. funny though how experts (not lay critiques) are presently closing in on theories based on some fairly weighty stats that could make the AA book one of the most important books written...EVER!! these are not members of AA! these are scholars that are making these predictions. is that why the original manuscript of the book is currently commanding extremely large sums of dollars... like in excess of 60 grand on climbing? i predict fakes will surface soon Mike!
ogaextreme2035 1 week ago
@ogaextreme2035 Care to cite any credible experts in particular? People pay big bucks for an image of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 week ago
@blamethenile no i don't care to, and that doesn't change that it's fact. you're the one bashing AA.. the burden to ride this out is yours, not mine. Your grillcheese theory comparison is lame as that was a tabloid rumor to began with, and it didn't start a following of millions (cruising towards billions) all over the world with all time best selling book (AA uncounted) spreading exponentially and irreversibly throughout the entire world and literally shaping human history and consciousness.
ogaextreme2035 1 week ago
@ogaextreme2035 In other words, you have nothing. Thanks. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 week ago
@ogaextreme2035 not mine to "have".
ogaextreme2035 1 week ago
I have finally found the dumbest video on YouTube. Now I can rest.
1millionscovilleclub 1 month ago
@1millionscovilleclub Care to post a link? The rest of us might like to see it, too. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile A link? I tell ya what...Run out in the street and start blaming everyone you see and claim you are a high end Mensa. How can anyone disagree?
1millionscovilleclub 1 month ago
@1millionscovilleclub You seem disturbed. Maybe if you watched a few more of our videos... Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile Im sure anyone who does not agree with you is "Disturbed."
1millionscovilleclub 1 month ago
@1millionscovilleclub Seems a bit stereotypical. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
Mike, it's common for people with an intelectually elite complex to completely abandon common sense. Who are you trying to reach? Alcoholics and addicts trying to grab their 1st breath? This would put most of them asleep faster than a Baptist preacher. Are you trying to reach people that have had some success with sobriety through a 12 step program? What's your motive?
1960wood 1 month ago
@1960wood One of our other videos, "Who this Channel is For? - Alcoholics Anonymous" answers all those questions. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@1960wood mikeee... we're all waiting?? i believe you've been asked a very reasonable and relevant question here.
ogaextreme2035 1 week ago
Good luck with that stupid thing. Period.
harrykrebs 1 month ago
@harrykrebs Good luck to you, as well. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
justification/rationalization, maybey to keep yourself a victum of your iner termoil and unrest, i understand i do it all the time, resentments are like eating poison and waiting for the other person to die... Tom.B, proud A.A member.
purrrfect7 1 month ago
@purrrfect7 Proud of what? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
So many live resentful bc they cannot quit drinking and want to blame AA, their parents, their society, etc... etc. What people forget is that AA doesn't recruit or put themselves out there to increase membership. The only goal is to quit drinking and learn to live in sobriety.
jose8a2007 1 month ago
@jose8a2007 Wonderful response, if only any of it were true. Wilson himself admitted AA's real goal is to be of maximum service to God. AA has put itself in courts, treatment centers, prisons and HHS agencies, and has ALWAYS courted the press, the clergy and the medical community to send it new members. Keep telling yourself that non and ex-AAs are resentful at and jealous of your capacity to drink the Koolade. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile Right but that "higher power" refers to each member how it is conceived. I know guys who's higher power is "light"(no Jesus or Allah). As long as you BELIEVE in a higher power. AA doesn't preach actual religion. And just to be clear.. MOST alcoholics are resentful people to begin with. The ones who recover better are the ones who admit it(along with whatever character flaws they have) and dig deep into WHY they drink. Very personal stuff. To each their own.
jose8a2007 1 month ago
@jose8a2007 Steppism IS a religion, complete with a watchful, favor-dispensing God who allows you to call or not Him or it whatever you choose, as long as you go to meetings, work steps, pray a lot, and spread the 12-step toxin. Your stereotypical description of "most alcoholics" is just that, and has basis only in the nonsensical text and dogma of the 12-step movement. It certainly does nothing to address the complex mal-adaptive behaviours which constitute substance abuse/addiction. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile SO I guess overeater's annonymous are really them damn religion people also at work with their evil plan to rule us? lol Dude relax. Maybe you need a drink... lol I love to hear what you gotta say about Obama... Let me get a seat and some popcorn. This is gonna be good! XD
jose8a2007 1 month ago
@jose8a2007 I take that to mean you have run out of on-topic things to say. Thanks for stopping by. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile lol Guys like you live in constant fear. I would actually be stupid of me to convince you that AA, the government, your local chuch ,or whatever the topic is not going to take your kids away.(that's even if you have any). You live off that. Besides, why take away your cute smirk?(it's all you got) LOL
jose8a2007 1 month ago
@jose8a2007 You got nothing, then? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile Don't take it personal... it is.. what it is! ;)
jose8a2007 1 month ago
@jose8a2007 No worries. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile- The ignorant claim that (AA) "does nothing to address the complex mal-adaptive behaviours which constitute substance abuse/addiction" is undeniably false.If you have read the literature/experienced the program as delineated, you would realize that the fellowship and spiritual program address maladaptive behaviours in their totality- addressing not just the substance but all of the complex cognitions, traumas and behavioural tendencies which perpetuate selfharm
soepea 1 month ago
@soepea Sorry, but "don't drink, go to meetings, and read the Bigbook" does not address anything in its totality, let alone the spectrum of difficulties which comprise addiction. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile -- The suggestion sets a foundation for rigorous work, including seeking professional treatment, cognitive and behavioural coping strategies, practical support. Empirical studies have demonstrated that 12-step programmes, namely AA, provide a wealth of psychological benefits resulting in more than successful substance use cessation. I am in this field of study; so mind you, I do not say this ignorantly.
soepea 1 month ago
@soepea Which study, specifically demonstrates any of your assertions? A six-month chip qualifies anybody to "be in this field of study". Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
The 164 pages of the big book have been edited. The original manuscript is now published by Hazelton. Do your homework bud :)
Hummelins 1 month ago 2
@Hummelins I have a copy of each edition of the bigbook, including the original manuscript, and have read them all. Your point? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile If you have a copy of the original manuscript, then you can see that it was edited before publication. One of your tube videos says the book was never edited. That's what i was referring to. The Book That Started It All: The Original Working Manuscript of Alcoholics Anonymous, sold by Hazelton, shows all of the edited markings before it became published. My point, again, goes back to herbert spencer, "...contempt prior to investigation..."
Hummelins 1 month ago
@Hummelins We know the bigbook has been edited numerous times, so are not sure which video you are talking about. If you want to play gotcha, you should improve your game. Like many things bigbook, the Herbert Spencer quote is bogus. William Paley is the one who credible sources cite as the originator of the now-famous quote. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
I see Mr Blamethenile is still posting his videos which attempt to dis-credit Alcoholics Anonymous. Is this the same chap who claims to be an ex-alcoholic? The same chap who could not stop and stay stopped drinking by his own willpower and knowledge? The very same chap that walked through the doors of A.A because he was powerless over alcohol and used and needed A.A to stop drinking? who now see's fit to deny others that chance by posting videos dis-crediting the same fellowship which saved you!
07henrik 1 month ago
@07henrik There are two of us who write and produce these videos, BlaMe and Mike Blamedenial. One is from the US and the other from the UK. For Mike's drinking abstinence experience, see our video "Spontaneous Remission". Hope that helps. Thanks for stopping by. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@07henrik With the above posted video theory in mind, can you please explain to me why after all these years the bible is still kicking around????
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frankenboston 1 month ago
AA saved my life so please try it if you feel you have a problem with alcahole. It is so sad that this video may incourage some one to not go who could also be helped by AA and there for prolong their suffering. I would be ashamed to post a distructive video like this.
triggerjo84 1 month ago
@triggerjo84 We appreciate your views, and your support. Thanks, Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
yawn, why the hate? keep coming back.
heaveho94 1 month ago
@heaveho94 Already gone...Sorry. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@heaveho94 LOL, keep comin back, whoever posted this insane v is in fact unintellectual trying to sound intelligent by using scientific words, tard flake if i ever knew one.!! AA to all you who visit this site and any other posts or blogs that bashes AA , listen closely, it will never ever END.. its grown over the planet !!! if your an alcoholic, we can help you with your booze problem period, this is not directed at people who enjoy booze and are not alcoholic ok ?? make sense? yea i knew it
frankenboston 1 month ago
@frankenboston Thanks for your opinion. MIke BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
@blamethenile welcome , accept it's my experience not an opinion, the program works, and its free, and a humble place, those big hospitals for the movie stars and hospitals want huge money to pamper people, which leads to more bs. detox is needed though, but the practical program of action and study is what works, for the true alcoholic, i think some folks may be ex-problem drinkers, their still social drinkers, they can back off it with will power, not the real alcoholic and addict ,its fact.
frankenboston 1 month ago
@frankenboston Your experience and opinions of AA are vastly different than ours, as can be clearly seen in our videos. I'm an ex-alcoholic, however you want to dance with it. That's a fact. Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
Wow this dude really hates AA. Why don't you write your own book, start your own alternative program and let us know about it. That video was funny!!1
jimmiespeed 1 month ago
@jimmiespeed Who needs a book when there are more than five hours of videos available right here on a multitude of 12-step-critical topics, all free? Who needs an alternative to smoke, mirrors, and mumbo-jumbo? Mike BD
blamethenile 1 month ago
AA ideology HAS changed. According to this video, it's impossible for it NOT to change.
Take the concept of "codependence". It didn't exist before 1980.
It "comes directly out of Alcoholics Anonymous, part of a dawning realization that the problem was not solely the addict, but also the family and friends who constitute a network for the alcoholic" (Davis, 2008).
Indeed, it has escaped the confines of 12 step ideology and spread into psychoanalysis as "co-narcissism" & "inverted narcissism".
Hammersley1967 2 months ago
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Hammersley1967 2 months ago
AA has worked like a charm for me.... got a sponsor right away took three weeks to five weeks to go through and learn all the steps and put program into action...never looked back....amazing changed my life have not had a drink in nine years....love it!!!
donlapcam 2 months ago
fuckin idiots.
rick10801 3 months ago
c'mon mike.. lol. you dontmak much sence . you refuse to answer my question and you stll carry on putting AA down .. why ? why ? why?... :))
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Ask better questions. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago 4
'mike bd ... is that the best you can do ? haha. you sit tere posting dirt all day putting down other fellowships and yet you cant answer any questions aout the 12 step programme . its alot easier to be a sceptic than an optomist mike .. :)) happy , joyous and free, that I am... xxx
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 "is that the best you can do?" over and over again the best you can do?
blamethenile 3 months ago 6
@ MIKE BD .. cmon man. lmao. wtf is this type of tripe you are posting ? if you dont like AA dont go to it. simple. we dont put any other fellowship down dude. why should you ? maybe do a little work on self dude. get a life man . get out from behind you screen and help someone , rather than sitting there all day ranting about other self help groups... hahahaha, it dont make sence dude .
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 You continually indicate you are laughing, yet your posts indicate a growing level of frustration. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago 6
i meant to sy : it will kill you..... not . i will :)))....
but then again your a happy recovered guy. im sure you can deal with it ... devil person...lol
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Either way, no worries. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago 3
@ BLAMETHE NILE. you my child are a very bitter bitter man ... so what if you have been to AA and didny like it ... i go there and i love it. im still sober, happy , joyous and free from addiction . once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic bro.. resentment is the number 1 offender my friend, i will kill you. get yourself a sponsor and do some work on self ...if anything it will give you an indepth knowledge about yur make up .. painfull stuff i bet ...lol
irishraver38 3 months ago
@irishraver38 Again, if you are so happy in AA, why are you watching all these videos? Your sobriety rants aren't what we would expect from a calm, serene person. Mike BD
blamethenile 3 months ago 3
interesting angle, the video values insight over knowledge, yet the end criticises the method rather than the outcome. 12/s multifaceted and organic process seems to evolve a challenging and removing of redundant belief systems as challenges and fears are confronted. The need for a higher awareness and therefore greater insight into the objective truth of a situation in order to overcome entrenched belief systems seems to be well understood. Everyone has their dogma, none are so blind....
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tough to be in a one sided pissing contest orange.. God Bless you my friend :-)
brucevoss 5 months ago
@brucevoss Yes, Much of what goes on in the rooms involves one-sided urination, and it is tough. God Bless you too, amigo. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago 4
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Just as I thought , boring.....
LoveCamouflage 5 months ago
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LoveCamouflage 5 months ago
@LoveCamouflage We tell the truth as we have come to perceive it about AA. Watch our other videos. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago 9
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LoveCamouflage 5 months ago
@LoveCamouflage You should have stuck to your original plan, and gone to a meeting. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago
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LoveCamouflage 5 months ago
@LoveCamouflage Does someone have to have been adversely affected by any issue in order to legitimately formulate a passionate, well-founded and researched opinion regarding that issue? We aren't trying to scare you, or even sway you. Enjoy your meeting. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago
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This video is nonsense. I will never understand why some are so vehemently against AA. If AA helps even just one person, it's valuable. No one is forced to join or stay in AA. If you don't agree with it, just leave.
sfmarklh 5 months ago
@sfmarklh It's an ex-AA thing. We don't expect you to understand. We did leave. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago 13
Hey I heard there is no such thing as "static" ideas and beliefs, well what about yours? I can agree that there is likely other paths to sobriety yet also that AA has historically been the most successful and has saved likely millions of lives. How many have you saved before you critize a system that has accomplished more than you have.
RehabTampaFlorida 6 months ago
@RehabTampaFlorida Any facts to back up your assertions? Nearly 80% of all who quit drug/alcohol abuse do so on their own. Even one of AA's greatest advocates admitted that the 12-step approach does nothing to alter the natural outcomes of alcohol abuse. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
@blamethenile r u sober?
pmi200911 6 months ago
@pmi200911 Drug and alcohol free since 1994. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
So you want to put a stop to AA because you disagree with it? Kind of hypocritical, no?
ATLBoy1229 6 months ago
@ATLBoy1229 No, we don't want to put a stop to AA, just its deceptiveness and dishonesty. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
@blamethenile Mike what dishonesty and deceptiveness? Not the people, but AA as a whole. You also claim AA will not survice, but when is that decline going to happen. Anyone can state that something is going to end if they don't have to give a time frame. I can state that democracy or capitalism is going to end, but when?
tomhabs 5 months ago
@tomhabs Hey, Tom, Long-time, no-see. AA is institutionally dishonest regarding its history, methods, outcomes, religiosity and recruitment tactics. As far as its demise, about five years after the coerced membership ends. Mike BD
blamethenile 5 months ago 2
Okay then, here's my suggestion... Find someone who has lost everything to alcohol and/or drugs and is considering going to AA and steer them away from it. Then, take them in to your home and feed and clothe them until they're all better. Make sure to play them LOTS of pretentious ambient/shoe gazer music. Share with them your solution to their problem, and let me know how that works out for ya.
37village 6 months ago
@37village Email me your address and I will give them bus-fare to your house. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
@blamethenile So, you're not trying to steer people away from AA? Your response makes no sense considering the subject matter of your video.
37village 6 months ago
For someone who dosnt need AA you sure spend ALOT of time resenting it. I hope you find peace somehow mike bd. however you find it is your choice..but yours seems like a misserable way 2 live.
2imyourdad 6 months ago
@2imyourdad Nope, about an hour a day at most, much less than I used to waste in AA. Thanks for the good wishes. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
What I hate is how the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY has infected 12 step programs and it has become routine to prescribe dangerous unhealthy ADDICTIVE drugs to people in recovery. Bill Wilson knew he was setting up something that would challenge the huge industry of drug and alcohol addiction. Most "treatment" centers are designed to fail.
my12steptruth 6 months ago
@my12steptruth Most treatment centers are based on the 12-step model, so yes, they are designed to fail. Which drugs are you specifically referring to? Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
@blamethenile -- It is standard to prescribe the drugs Stevie Nicks said, "ruined my life" -- 12 Step addresses the root of all mental illness -- narcissism -- which most find threatening unless they are TRULY ready to want to GET out of the misery of addiction. That 12 Step lasted a day is a miracle! Getting TRULY healthy is threatening to many big powerful businesses that have brain washed us all since birth with powerful subliminal advertising. AA SETS YOU FREE and it WORKS IF YOU WORK IT~
my12steptruth 6 months ago
@my12steptruth Narcissism causes schizophrenia? Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
We may evolve to the point where human behaviors are no longer driven by the (fear based) reptilian brain and alcohol and drugs are no longer sought to relieve the terror that drives the alcoholic. But until then I am grateful for the twelve steps of AA that have helped me enjoy a life with less fear and more joy for the last 32 years.
12MACKY 6 months ago
@12MACKY AA has its long-time adherents, no doubt about it. Thanks for the post. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
"Experience has taught me that the stronger the denial the less the reason to believe it" From Miles to Go by Richard Paul Evans
Wisdom is where we find it.
I've lost faith in traditional religion but can still find great knowledge from that source. With AA you don't have to believe what I believe to get relief from the disease of alcoholism.
6lbhead 6 months ago
@6lbhead You deny the religiosity of 12-steppism, yet plead your faith in it. Without AA, one can find relief from alcohol abuse without jumping through any of its self-contradicting hoops and the life-long commitment to the disease nonsense. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
Most programs for addiction use the simple 12 step system. Rehab is a huge multi-million $ business. AA helped me to stay sober since 1977. I stay sober "one day at a time". An alcoholic is never "safe" we will be tempted, without knowledge gained from the "fellowship" of AA, I would have no defense. Cancer victims join together to share their experience, strength and hope. It's the same concept as AA. Do you have a problem with cancer support groups? Mormons are a cult, not AA.
6lbhead 6 months ago
@6lbhead When I need support, I lean against a tree. Be very careful. Mormons outnumber 12-step practitioners about seven to one in this country, and they tend to take much better care of themselves than do the cigarette-smoking, coffee-swilling alpha walruses at the Thursday nite beegbook meeting. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
@blamethenile "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. " Will you drink to that? :)
6lbhead 6 months ago
@6lbhead I don't drink. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
Why change something that works? People's lifes are at stake...
sergeysegal 6 months ago
@sergeysegal It doesn't work, and lives are at stake, hence the videos. Mike BD
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ea1958 6 months ago
I love this video!!!! AA is a rhetoric driven, archaic stubborn & rigid program. It no longer is a fellowship. Thanks Mike & James
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inwood75 7 months ago
@inwood75 All true. Thanks for all you are doing to try to correct it. Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
@blamethenile you are so welcome. I would love to have you one my radio show again this fall!
inwood75 6 months ago
@inwood75 That would be great. Perhaps we could let our critics here know in advance so they might call in. Mike BD
blamethenile 6 months ago
I am a fully-recovered alcoholic ~ transformed by the simple design for living outlined in simple steps of Alcoholics Anonymous. Living this Way life on a daily basis creates personal transformation ~ a psychic change. Self-awareness and emotional intelligence increase and grow exponentially. Thinking becomes clear and inspired. Navigating challenging life events is successfully done because the mind operates from a place of calm. Meditation is key. Love and Service, AA works if you work it.
lcwest1 7 months ago
@lcwest1 no it doesnt. It filled with Predators stepinaa google stop13stepinaa
inwood75 7 months ago
@lcwest1 i agree 100 per cent it done the same for me !!! you put that well , thank god for a.a
MrMaurab 6 months ago
@lcwest1 anyone who claims a program to be perfect makes me immediately suspicious. what audacity!
defsownds 6 months ago
These anti-AA videos are so futile. It's really getting old.
deano584 7 months ago
@deano584 So change the channel. Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
@deano584 I love them. They are honest. I left AA after 36 years recently because of all the Bullshit
inwood75 7 months ago
@inwood75 Thanks. I, too left AA after nearly thirty years, for many of the same reasons. Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
AA is a bunch of people with something in common who get together once or twice a week have a coffee and support each other. No one has ever tryed to get me to believe or disbelieve anything. Unlike this video. Who is the sanctimonious one here?
Like any group it has its share of nutbars and fanatics. Big deal...I dont associate with them. It helps remind me why I cant drink anymore. It is a lot more pleasant place than prison..perhaps you should do a video on prisons...lol
timrscott 7 months ago
A.A. helps people. It really doesn't affect anybody who isn't in A.A. wanting to get rid of A.A. is like wanting to ban Gay marraige. It doesn't affect you in any way, it makes other people happy, why be a dick about it? Go find a cause that matters.
7blockpoets 7 months ago
@7blockpoets How is a faith-healing, self-denying religion connected to gay marriage? Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
@blamethenile it's not that the institutions have anything in common. it's that the people who feel the need to try and ban them do. why try to ban something that doesn't affect you?
7blockpoets 7 months ago
@7blockpoets We aren't trying to ban either institution. Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
@blamethenile the video says "it is time to put a stop to this nonsene."
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7blockpoets 7 months ago
Is that Dean Ornish speaking?
MrMichaelEdie 7 months ago
if aa is religion can you till me what it is ???
Mohdelamin69 7 months ago
@Mohdelamin69 Omnism. Mike BD
blamethenile 7 months ago
Ima 13th step u until u believe!!!!
chrissybear123 7 months ago
hellz yeah the steps proved my belief system was wrong... Its against AA traditions to have opinions on outside issues (10th tradition) thats why assume AA hasnt endorsed alternatives. AAs who have had a spiritual awakening wont ridicule challenges to the steps, in fact I usually say if it works for you, hell yeah brother! i've never told anyone they were in denial or they have to stop drinking or say you have to take the steps. We have no monopoly on recovery, thats obvious haha :)
brmillgr 7 months ago
AA attendence is the lowest in their history as a cult
karmalevel 7 months ago
12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people. Citizens are cult members. They support the violence used against them like Battered wife syndrome
mustaffa1611 8 months ago
@blamethenile...I would like to say one last thing (although I can't promise I won't think of something else later.)
Many people have a problem with AA's first step, which says "we are powerless over alcohol" (you can replace alcohol with anything such as marijuana, cocaine, heroine, gambling, etc..).
Powerless does not mean we do not make choices! People in AA have freedom of choice. Poweless means once we take one drink, one hit, one line...we can't stop which I have found to be true.
pepto21 8 months ago
@pepto21 So having found that truth, what could possibly motivate you to take one drink, hit, line, etc? Mike BD
blamethenile 8 months ago
@blamethenile
You are correct. If you have the realization you “cannot” drink then don’t drink. AA simply provides a support system (as do other means of recovery).
Got to love free speech though…I like debating this stuff, as clearly you do to.
Why did I choose to pick up that first drink and a drug (relapse you may call it)…because I’m very young and thought maybe I am not an alcoholic and addict. That R&D provided no return on my investment, while AA has.
pepto21 8 months ago