@TheDonerKebap Genocide was done that is proven fact my family on both sides are survivors. And yes the Ottomans are the ones guilty. But the republic of Turkey is the Successor state and they still follow the rules and regulations for denial of this genocide in order to protect the turkish name. They never once said sorry for what happened to innocent people. People think this is all fun and games and hollywood but this is real life, people suffered, they killed our babies.
If they cared as much for the actual state Armenia like they do for a 100 years old genocide, ten thousands of Armenians wouldn't have to leave their poor country and work illegally in evil Turkey. But who cares for the living. The whole thing just degenerated to a big pathetic show.
By the way, how could the Armenian Genocide go on untill 1923, if the Ottoman Empire lost the Wold War and was occupied by enemy forces in 1918?
@ArmeniaOnline yes, the "real" history is of course your armenian version ;) i have a good knowledge about this part of history and believe me there is no innocent side in this conflict, even if armenians claim to be just victims. i'm of north caucasian descent and know very well what genocide is, but this kind of "genocide remembrance culture" mixed with hatred against anything turkish is really pathetic. by the way, why don't you actually hate kurds, who mainly massacred and plundered you?
@durdukyeretahrik Stupid dick sucking turk. You clearly don't know shit about the Genocide or anything that happend there. It is genocide, stop listening to the propoganda they taught you in turk school and listen to what everyone else who isn't a genocide denying piece of shit says. The Kurds attacked Armenia over 1500 years ago and the Armenians fought them off and killed more of them thaurds did Armenians. Again, you don't know SHIT. Pig face turk.
@crowley0312 you surely know better how to suck dicks, it's apparently the only thing you do in your life. i don't give a shit about you and your pathetic armenian fairytails. only completely retarded people live for the past, so my advice for you and other dumb armenians like you is to pull your heads out of your hairy asses and to take a look at the calendar: we have the year 2011 and not 1915. stop annoying people of today with problems of the past you whiny sissies.
@durdukyeretahrik Go hang yourself fuck yourself, turk pig. If it's just the past, then why are stupid turks taught about how 'millions of innocent turks' were 'mercilisly slaughtered.' Which DIDN'T HAPPEN. We won't stop until every country in the world accepts what happend, even pig-face turkey. Between the Armenian, Greek and Assiryan's massacres, Turks got away with killing over 3.5 million people in a couple years. You don't do something that terrible and get away with it, you little bitch.
@durdukyeretahrik How can you hear about all these terrible war crimes and just laugh at them? Most German people are disgusted by the Holocaust. Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin are looked down at by their countrys today. Yet this is this funny to you and most turks? That is why the genocide must be accepted. We cannot move into the future unless we accept the past.
@crowley0312 as long as armenians keep seeing themselves as completely innocent victims of so-called racist armenian-hating turks, who according some genocide-supporting "historians" entered the WW just to get rid of the armenians (!), there is nothing to talk about. You said hitler, stalin, etc. are now looked down at by their countries, just as the young turks are now in turkey. but do armenians look down at hunchaks and tashnaks who organized mass murder of turkish/kurdish civilists...
@durdukyeretahrik As long as turks see themselves as completly innocent planners of mass murder, there is plenty to talk about. In Germany and Italy, denying the Holocaust is a crime and the governments are very sorry and ashamed of what they did. In turkey, genocide denial, ignorance and lies are highly incouraged. Once again, you prove how stupified your government has made you. Hunchaks and Tashnaks were peacful parties that the turks wanted to destroy.
@crowley0312 so the tashnaks and hunchaks have been peaceful parties? are you kidding me? let me guess: during WW rebellious armenian bands peacefully demonstrated for independent armenia. the evil ottomans, whose empire was crumbling under the immens burdens of the war and losing territories on all fronts decided that it was the most important thing to exterminate the peaceful and poor armenians, because their peaceful resistance was the greatest threat to the empire and of course...
@durdukyeretahrik The Tashnaks and Hunchaks were peacful parties that were protesting for freedom, but did nothing violent. The turk leader gave police forces permission to do whatever they wanted. The turks attacked them in protests and any of them that lost their lives did because the protesters defended themselves.
... because the envious and jealous ottoman turkish pigs really hated the armenians and always wanted to destroy them, but unfortunately in their six centuries long history they never found the right time to do that. the great world war, which threatened the very existence of the empire, was of course the best opportunity to execute their evil turkish plans.
as one can easily notice, this sounds completely idiotic, but i think that's what armenians teach their children in school.
@crowley0312 ... and supported russian troops like in the capture of the city of Van and the following massacre on it's muslim population (which all took place before the deportation of armenians). the answer is no, on the contrary there are celebrated as heroes of armenian liberation. why do you think the armenian government is against an independent examination of the events? because the armenian side doesn't want to lose it's image as innocent victim and to be seen as backstabbing traitors.
@durdukyeretahrik You're clearly one of those turks who was taught these supposed massacre of millions of turks before the genocide. It's not your fault. It's your governments for feeding lies. Outside sources say that it's the turks that are against examination. Historians in hundreds of countrys, including Turkey, confirm the genocide took place. Yet turkey seems to be the only one that remembers their massace. I'm pretty open-minded, show me proof that turks were killed and I'll believe you.
@crowley0312 hahaha, you have no idea. i don't live in turkey, i have never seen a turkish school from the inside and no one "taught" me this in school, i studied turkish and middle-eastern history myself. No turk denies the deportation of the armenians and that many thousands of them died. that is the historical fact, the rest is interpretation. claims that the aim of the deportation was the murder or the "extinction of the armenian race" as some armenians would say are more than unlikely....
@durdukyeretahrik ...at least imho there has to be the intent to kill, if it is murder = genocide, which also could never been proven. i never spoke of millions of killed turks, that would be an extreme exaggeration just like the death toll on the armenian side. the number of 1.5 million deaths is complete nonsense, the estimated number of all armenians on ottoman territory was about that number, which is complete fiction. Actually there are more survivors of the deportation than casualties.
@durdukyeretahrik Once again, if you have any documented proof that shows turks being slaughtered from a conflict that they did not provoke, please show me. If you can't find anything (because they don't exist), then shut the fuck up.
@durdukyeretahrik Yes they do, they deny it to this very day. Talaat admitted himself afterward that he intended to eliminate every Armenian there was. You clearly don't know shit about the conflict.
@crowley0312 Do you think it's very difficult to exterminate unarmed civillians? Do you think the most effective, quick and cheap way to kill helpless people, who can't hide anywhere, is to organize a long journey directed to syria?
Take a look at some reports about the conquest of Van in 1915 (I think even Wikipedia will do it), there are also some interesting eyewitness accounts of russian officers about armenian atrocities, in case you understand Russian.
@durdukyeretahrik Not the most effective, quick or cheap way. But the most painful and tourterous way, yes. They wanted to enjoy killing a lot of innocent cililians slowly.
HOLY SHIT! The Armenians are defending themselves from being slaughtered?! How DARE they want to live!
"However, the decisions of deportation and extermination were made before the Van resistance"
@crowley0312 you still didn't get the point, don't you? I said most of the armenians survived the deportation, the rest mainly died due to hunger and diseases from which not only armenians but also hundreds of thousands of turks died. we are speaking about a situation in which many turkish soldiers even didn't have shoes to wear, while their is an armenian uprising behind the ottoman army fightin russia, which also had armenian regiments in it's rows...
@durdukyeretahrik Pfffhahaha! Saying Armenians died of hungar and disease would be like a Nazi saying the Jews caught fire and died. Incase your turkish brain didn't get the comparison, it's the Turk's/Nazi's fault they died. I see no evidence of hundreds of thousands of turks dieing. Where did you get that from? Armenians joined the Russians ranks once the genocide started so they could take up arms against the invading turks. Any turks that lost their lives during the genocide deserved to die.
@crowley0312 so you can't see any evidence turks died in WW I? you are completly right, no one died during the war excepet our poor armenians... oh wait, i can't also see any evidence that armenians died. there are only a bunch of awkward people who keep repeatedly telling this.
hoewever, you are actually the perfect proof for the armenian ignorance and fanaticism concerning their so-called genocide. the funny thing is that at the same time armenians blame turks to be ignorant deniers ^^
@durdukyeretahrik Well, there are only two places I can see you getting these dead turks from. One is the Turkish-Armenian war, in which turkey went on a ruthless onslaught too completly take over Armenia. If Armenia didn't stand their ground and fight them off in Yerevan, they wouldn't be on the map. The second place is turkey fighting other countries.
Why are you even watching this video? You realize System of a Down are huge Armenian activists, right? Your kind isn't welcome here, muslim.
@crowley0312 the information in wikipedia is false (no surprise taner akcam is cited). the decision was taken about one month after the Van incident (can be found in wikipedia too). But what do you say about the incident itself? do you recognize the massacres carried out by armenians? Is it true or not that armenians collaborated with russia or are they still completely innocent victims, who had nothing to do with violence?
@durdukyeretahrik So now it's false? Gone? Didn't happen? Clearly you're a turk. You realize Akcam is a turk, right? Plans for the massive elimination of Armenians were already being planned before the 20th century (Can be found on wikipedia). And, of course the Van incident wasn't the first conflict. There's also beforehand conflicts, like Adana (100% turks fault). Russia helped Armenia against the aggressive turkey. I still can't find any massacre Armenia commited, only self-defense victories.
@crowley0312 1. Akcam is a kurd not a turk and is paid by armenian genocide campaigners, that's why no real historian can take him serious. there is not single proof for the claims that plans for a genocide existed before or even after the 20th century. if you think russia helped armenians you are really really stupid. in fact russia used armenians for it's own aims, motivating and supporting armenians for an uprising against russia's old enemy the ottomans.
@durdukyeretahrik Akcam was born in turkey, so he is a turk. I see no proof that he was bribed, but it would be a shame if he was. I was starting t think there might be one decent turk in the world. Russia and Armenia took sides against a common enemy, nothing more complicated than that. Stalin didn't care about them, but he was a very evil man that his country looks down at today. It's not only writen on wikipedia, but also overall obvious that the turks had wanted to kill all Armenians.
@crowley0312 2. armenian legions in the russian and also french armies were established long before the WW started. with the start of the war ottoman armenians sabotaged the turkish supply lines, attacked the ottoman army from the back and even massacred entire villages, mostly women and children since every capable men had to join the army. your armenian heroes also took over the city Van raped, pillaged and massacred it's entire muslim population.
@durdukyeretahrik Ok, you are offically deluded and retarded. I have been doing research on the events in the middle east for years and I have never once heard anything of Armenians massacring entire villages nor raping and pillaging Van. Prove that or shut the fuck up already.
@crowley0312 it doesn't surprise me that you an most armenians never heard of such things. they won't teach you such things in school, because such things are not wanted in cleaned up official history. Maybe you are more likely to believe, if an armenian tells you about these things.
read "The Armenian Revolutionary Federation has Nothing to do Anymore" written by Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first president of the democratic rep. of armenia (1918-1919)
@durdukyeretahrik It's amazing how every time you press the 'post' button, you prove you're a complete idiot. That book was published in the capital of turkey. The turks publishing it edited any proof about the genocide. In other words...
"The Lie of 'Armenian Genocide' in Armenian Documents"
@crowley0312 sorry buddy, but you are total ignorant dumbfuck. it's a complete waste of time to even try to discuss with such armenian morons. waste your life being a pathetic whiny pseudo-genocide victim, obviously armenians like to see themselves as victims, because that is the only thing you have. but you will gain nothing from it.
At least you have a nice spare time activity remembring the genocide and hating turks. sounds like great fun for dumb morons. Serj Dumbian for president!!!
@durdukyeretahrik I decided debating with you was a waste of time awhile ago. But I kept at it because you kept on making up dumber and funnier stories. Now that the turk fairytales are proven wrong, it looks like you finally snapped.
Whine like a little bitch all you want. Just proves how stupid turks are. You couldn't kept up a single argument. The Genocide, without question, happend. One day the rest of the world will also have no choice but to recognize the truth.
@crowley0312 hahaha, you are pretty funny for a teeange douchebag. i enjoyed myself, too =) i don't know why, but i like arguing with ignorant boneheads, who think they are clever. armenians are always ideal partners for such arguments. i appreciate it.
and please armenians keep fighting for the recognition of the the genocide, don't give up, cuz it's so funny to watch.
"please, please turks. recognize the genocide" - the gayest and most pathetic thing ever XD XD XD
@durdukyeretahrik You're clearly a little pussy who has nothing better to do. And you wanted me to think you spent years studying the events from turkish eyes? Sucks for you, what a waste of life. You could learn more spending ten minutes on wikipedia. But explain how I'm ignorant, when you can't even hold one argument. Little monkey bitch.
First you say the Genocide didn't happen, then you admit something happend but it was exagerated, and now you're just offending homosexuals? Sad little cunt
@crowley0312 "...and now you're just offending homosexuals?" you are completely right, i didn't want to compare gay people with stupid armenian genocide activists. i have to apologize, sorry gay people =)
i said there was no genocide, i never said that nothing happened, so where do you get that from? none of the information i mentioned is false. unlike most armenians i don't tell people lies and fictional stories.
@durdukyeretahrik So there is no genocide. Okay. The official defenition of genocide is, "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group." The turks systematicly intended to destroy, in whole, all ethnic Armenians and religious Christians. Therefore, there was a genocide. So nothing you said was false, you just can't prove it. I'm still waiting for you to show me an event where turks were systematicly killed by Armenians.
@crowley0312 1. "the deliberate and systematic destruction" - the only thing you can call somehow "deliberate and systematic" was the deportation. deportation is NOT equal to destruction. if there had been some desctruction camps waiting in syria or somewhere, this would be a clear intent to kill the people, but there wasn't. in fact ottomans didn't know what to do with the armenians and they had no time or means to plan something properly.
@durdukyeretahrik Lets see, the turks had a system of plans to kill Armenians for years and deliberately deported them. Deportation, in the sense people are being moved AND killed, is destruction. They didn't know what to do with them? Uhh, how about march them for miles and miles until they collapse and leave them for dead (Geico guy: So easy, a turk can do it). Historians in every country, including turkey, label this genocide. Are you saying you're more qualified to answer this than they are?
@crowley0312 3. they held the city until the russian forces arrived and took over the city from their armenian friends like it has been planned before. this all happened before the ottoman government decided to deport the armenians from east anatolia. is this what you call self-defence? this was long planned treason organized by your "peaceful" hunchak and tashnak rebell commitees led by caucasian armenians, who by the way started their terrorist activities already in the late 20th century .
@durdukyeretahrik The Hunchaks and Tashnaks only wanted to get the Armenians equal citizenship and the turks treated them with violence. I have never once heard of either of those groups killing someone in non-self defense. What happend before all this were other massacres, including Adana. It's so painfully clear that the turks wanted to eliminate them. I love how you abandon stuff you just said like the Van rapes. The smallest amount of research can prove turk propoganda wrong.
@crowley0312 2. they just wanted to get the armenians, which they couldn't trust anymore, out of east-anatolia (armenians in west-anatolia and istanbul haven't been deported) as quick as possible. armenians who reached syria were just left there by the soldiers. to say that this is a planned and systematic destruction is ridiculous.
you repeatedly keep asking for an example of systematic ethnic cleansings carried out by armenians and i already said a dozen times: VAN.
@durdukyeretahrik Just left there? Yeah, that's complete bullshit. As I have said a dozen times, Van was self-defense against turks. I see no atrocities done by the Armenians there. Of course your going to ignore this and act like Van was a massacre anyway.
@crowley0312 you are really a total bonehead, aren't you? you're still coming up with the self-defense bullshit in Van. tell me, since when massacring innocent people who didn't attack you is considered self-defense? as i told you before these treacherous armenian bastards collaborated with the russians BEFORE the deportation (this is historical fact). so if come in your house rape your wife, kill your kids, cut off their heads and put them on stakes, you would call it self-defense i suppose.
@crowley0312 how do you think a massacre is carried out? do they knock on the door and invite the turks to their own killing? it is undisputed that it happened. even biased wikipedia mentions it.
@durdukyeretahrik I see no mention of wikipedia of this bullshit. It's funny how you call wikipedia biased then say that they mention it. Prove it or shut up already.
@crowley0312 i just checked the english wikipedia and the article changed very much since the last time i read it. not a single word is said about any muslim victims and casualties. the article is very biased anyway as i can even tell by the used literature.
"The Armenian Rebellion at Van" by Justin McCarthy gives a detailed account of the events.
@durdukyeretahrik It's funny, Wikipedia used to be considered a very unrealible source but now it has improved alot and has a better reputation.
That Irish SOB McCarthy has wouldn't know shit about middle east history. All his information comes from what he learned in turkey, it's clearly biased. The IAGS called him an idiot. Many historians consider him pro-turkish. He uses the same reasons as in Holocaust denial. This guy is an idiot, his work is only accepted in turkey (gasp).
@crowley0312 "turkey threatens USA to cut them off" - really, cut them off from what? what happened e.g. to the relations with france, which accepted the genocide? nothing.
"That Irish SOB McCarthy has wouldn't know shit about middle east history. All his information comes from what he learned in turkey," - where else should he do his research? in nigeria maybe? McCarthy is an expert in the field of ottoman demographics and especially his demographic works are commonly used references.
@durdukyeretahrik My bad, I was out of characters. What I meant was: Whenever the US comes close to accepting the Armenian genocide, turkey threatens to take away all their political support in the middle east and cancel trade between the countries. I doubt they'd do the second one, but lately we have had some terrible presidents.
As for McCarthy, maybe he could do some reasearch at a place that ISN'T turkish biased? That's why many colleagues consider him a fool.
@crowley0312 you say all the "smart" and "honest" historians accept the genocide. i always wonder who these known historians are and how many of them have personally researched the events. only few international historians actually do research about the ottoman empire, even if you read western literature about WW I ottomans are barely mentioned (even in german literature). i personally think that the vast majority of those historians actually knows shit about what happened.
@durdukyeretahrik Yes smart and honest historians accept this view but i dont need them to tell me what i already know, it was 100% fact my great granparents all dissapeared in to the desert we have no clue of them. I believe in peace between both nations but not once did those coward apologize for killing my great grandparents because it would hurt the turkish name.
@durdukyeretahrik Of course you can ask me anything as long as it is a sincere question. My grandparents grew up in orphanages on both sides of my family. My mothers father is originally from Adana historic Armenia, modern day turkey. They were secretely protected by friendly arabs in syria.
@crowley0312 do you really think every historian is supporting your position? many known international historians are against the genocide thesis. some are therefore even threatened by armenian extremists. it can be very dangerous for someone to take stand against the armenian claims. many fear repressions and don't want to take the risk to become a persona non grata. just because armenians can't accept their views it doesn't mean they don't exist.
@durdukyeretahrik Every smart and honest historian in the world accepts the Armenian genocide. I don't see the problems historians would face otherwise. If anything it's risky to say that the genocide happend. turkey uses threats all the time against countrys that are aiming to accept the genocide. Historians are immune to politics and can say what they want, exactly why so many historians acknowledge the genocide, even in places like turkey.
@crowley0312 so a historian who supports your view is "smart" and "honest" and a historian supporting the turkish view is a stupid lier, or what? who the fuck are you to decide, which historian is smart and honest? what measures did turkey take against countrys, who accepted the genocide claims? they did nothing.
historians are in no way immune against political and social pressure. not many historians would risk their carreers by supporting unpopular positions, not to forget the armenian lobby
@durdukyeretahrik Well, I'd consider historians from many different countries that decide the same thing (genocide happend) are smart and honest, while historians only from a select group that agree (turks or pro-turks) retards. turkey threatens USA to cut them off if they accept the genocide.
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@baris66 you're from Kars and you can suck my dick you fucking monkey. You have drank armenian cum all your life to become the scum which you are today, so stop hating Armenians you piece of shit.
@LesMogol Everytime I meet someone who happens to be a Turk, they find out I'm Armenian and start kissing ass and sucking my dick for me to consider them a human being you piece of shit. You are another fucking Monkey, if you were great in any way Europe would accept you and your own muslim brothers wouldnt disown you- you piece of shit... when America lets you go, no one is going to protect you and your shitty backstabbing country you moron...which means your mothers will be fucked in the ass.
@LesMogol And go study more English you piece of shit... if you go through youtube carefull you can see how educated Armenians are when they type their comments compared to you fucking ape's who cant spell or type for shit. Which basically explains that you are brainless fucking goat fucking faggots.... Respect for the Turks who accept us as brothers, and fuck all other Turks who are nothing but dirt... sort of like you and the damned family that raised you... faggot...
FFS people, this is soad stuff, the band against hate! Yet you sit here idly hating one another like hate doesn't breed hate! You're all the bloody same, stop arguing.
@Carbonite2008 АРМЯНСКИЕ ПРОСТИТУТКИ ГОЛОВНАЯ БОЛЬ ТУРЕЦКИХ ВЛАСТЕЙ.....ВВЕДИТЕ ЭТО В ПОИСКУВУЮ СИСТЕМУ,ВАША армянская ПРЕССА САМА ПРИЗНАЛАСЬ ОБ ЭТОМ ))))))))))))))
Serj is my hero and i support him 100%, but calling all turks monsters makes you no beter then them. There are good and bad everywhere so don't judge A group of people for what only some of them did.
the thing that have allowed wars to go on is people to stupid to qoustion things and just do what theire told. like RATM said Fuck u I wont do what u tell me!
The Turks even tried to settle it with Armenia for once and for all! They wanted to search it together and after all the evidence that they have found, they would go to a court. But Armenia denied, several times. hmmm... i wonder why? And please don't say that the Turks denied to search together, Erdogan even said it into the face of the president of armenia when they were around alot of people. search up: TURKISH PRIME MINISTER TALKS ABOUT ARMENIAN "GENOCIDE"
Being armenian i want to the recognition happen so badly but the US government and the turkish government are so ignorant its not even funny. And i hope that the FBI tags this message.
Turkey and Azerbaycan has to unite, as soon as possible to wipe these lying arManiacs from the worl-map...
For 3 Mio. Armenia, we just need 30 minutes, and together with our Azeri brothers it'll take us at least 15 minutes and we'll take back the occupied Azeri-Karabag!
It's so shameful to see what's written in so many of these comments. The truth is that the Armenian genocide did happen. It cannot be denied, but that doesn't make Muslims murderers, or Turks murderers either. Remember Rwanda? Their genocide happened from their own people. What about the Circassians? They were killed by the Russians because they were Muslim. People kill. It has nothing to do with religion.
@xXElMananaXx I agree religion has nothing to do with it. It was all politics back then. But we have an obligation to recognize the murder of people and to be a witness to suffering. This was political opportunizism much like rwanda was and it deserves to be noticed.
@xXElMananaXx You are wrong my friend. War happens because of religion and differents belief, but other causes too. If you don't believe this look, at the war, in Iraq. The country hates Christians and The Western Style of life. They are the only ones who want to be known for killing Christians. All we can do is pray and hope nothing bad happens. The Armenian Genocide happened because of jealousy towards the Armenian People. I know this because I am, Armenian. We will forgive but never forget.
@HarutJanJan War can happen for religious reasons, but that is not the only cause for war. Beliefs are not always related to religion, my friend. They go beyond that. Have you ever heard of civil war? Don't you think in the situation of civil war people usually share the same religious beliefs but differ in other beliefs?
@HarutJanJan I hate to say this, but you seem to harbor some amount of hatred against Muslims to say that people of an entire country hate christians and the western style of life. I'm sorry, but is the western lifestyle connected in any way to christianity? I think you'd find it does not. Yeah, keep thinking how you think. You'll go places.
@xXElMananaXx АРМЯНСКИЕ ПРОСТИТУТКИ ГОЛОВНАЯ БОЛЬ ТУРЕЦКИХ ВЛАСТЕЙ.....ВВЕДИТЕ ЭТО В ПОИСКУВУЮ СИСТЕМУ,ВАША армянская ПРЕССА САМА ПРИЗНАЛАСЬ ОБ ЭТОМ ))))))))))))))
Deportation took place because of our jerk union and progress party . But the reason was not jelauy , it was taschnak comitee. Which was still wrong. Yet the answer is not jelaousy.
And about Iraq. Again wrong they hate west simply because their country is invaded by the west . How can you find so childih reaons to identify things?
Turkey and Azerbaycan has to unite, as soon as possible to wipe these lying arManiacs from the worl-map...
For 3 Mio. Armenia, we just need 30 minutes, and together with our Azeri brothers it'll take us at least 15 minutes and we'll take back the occupied Azeri-Karabag!
@bozkurdi so you want to wipe out us armenians. i'd like to see you fucking try it. you would have the US army on ur ass so fast it will make your fucking head spin.
I know this is a very important issue, but it shouldn't divide these countries.
Taz and AtalayTurk, did either of you live in 1915? I understand that you're passionate about your opinions, and that's good, I guess, but you shouldn't hate one another for something that happened between your ancestors.
I think you should hate that your side isn't well represented, and seek to represent it in a non-violent, non-prejudiced way that is HONEST.
I know you are in a conversation with another person, however I feel I must interfere.
My father's grandfather's family was slaughtered during the genocide and he is only 49 years old, so this did not happen that long ago. It might have been nearly a century since it began, but it is far from having affected only our ancestors. My great grandfather(who I have had the privilege of meeting) had to suffer through this crisis.
I'm genuinely sorry to hear that that happened. I'm not trying to minimize the horrible impact the killing had on so many families. People died, and that is terrible. I understand that it was less than 100 years ago, but I just don't see why it has to separate people as much as it does. In the end, not all Turks killed all Armenians, or the other way around. I just don't see why some people say they hate all Turks or they hate all Armenians.
@MsUsgirl Hah. I don't think I'm an idiot. I have a lot of compassion for those who died in the genocide, I just don't hate all Turkish people. I think blind hate led to the genocide, and to continue to use blind hate can't bring love...I guess.
You are right that I can never understand exactly what it feels like, though. I'll give you that.
@ManderFrogizmo if you dont think you are, then open a couple of BOOKS, if you what i mean, and read about genocide. and btw...read not armenian books, in order to understand who the f*** are turks and kurds.
Listen armenian rats.. be little human ! instead of crying like a little bitch, accept the offer..Open your archives..under the super vision of an international committee of hostorians..(not politicians that your fathers feed).. along with the archives of Syria, Russia, France & USA.. Why are you running away RATS?? I know why.. This is your only source of money.. Other wise you will eat each other in your fucking small land ;) CLOWNS.. CRY ! AND TEAR YOUR ASSES!!!
Listen armenian rats.. be little human ! instead of crying like a little bitch, accept the offer..Open your archives..under the super vision of an international committee of hostorians..(not politicians that your fathers feed).. along with the archives of Syria, Russia, France & USA.. Why are you running away RATS?? I know why.. This is your only source of money.. Other wise you will eat each other in your fucking small land ;) CLOWNS.. CRY ! AND TEAR YOUR ASSES!!!
@AtalayTurk Your an Idiot... it's funny how Turks get so loud over youtube but when you meet them in real life they shit in their pants everytime they question "are you turkish?"..."no man I'm armenian"..."oh!".....then they wish they had a smoke bomb they could use to get away from you, fearing a nut sack slowly tea bagging them to misery.
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hey listen everybody genocide was done by turkey and this is fact
7777Xboy 3 months ago
If genocide was done, that was Ottoman's genocide, not Turkish... it's like punish the Italians and not Romans for their legendary cruelty...
TheDonerKebap 3 months ago
@TheDonerKebap Genocide was done that is proven fact my family on both sides are survivors. And yes the Ottomans are the ones guilty. But the republic of Turkey is the Successor state and they still follow the rules and regulations for denial of this genocide in order to protect the turkish name. They never once said sorry for what happened to innocent people. People think this is all fun and games and hollywood but this is real life, people suffered, they killed our babies.
Vicious90x 3 months ago
the ethnic cleansing should be recognized by Turkey
PurpleHeart1 4 months ago
17 dislikes!!! must be congressmen.
Metal666Blade 6 months ago 9
If they cared as much for the actual state Armenia like they do for a 100 years old genocide, ten thousands of Armenians wouldn't have to leave their poor country and work illegally in evil Turkey. But who cares for the living. The whole thing just degenerated to a big pathetic show.
By the way, how could the Armenian Genocide go on untill 1923, if the Ottoman Empire lost the Wold War and was occupied by enemy forces in 1918?
durdukyeretahrik 7 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik poor turk, learn your own real history before taking..
ArmeniaOnline 6 months ago
@ArmeniaOnline yes, the "real" history is of course your armenian version ;) i have a good knowledge about this part of history and believe me there is no innocent side in this conflict, even if armenians claim to be just victims. i'm of north caucasian descent and know very well what genocide is, but this kind of "genocide remembrance culture" mixed with hatred against anything turkish is really pathetic. by the way, why don't you actually hate kurds, who mainly massacred and plundered you?
durdukyeretahrik 6 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Stupid dick sucking turk. You clearly don't know shit about the Genocide or anything that happend there. It is genocide, stop listening to the propoganda they taught you in turk school and listen to what everyone else who isn't a genocide denying piece of shit says. The Kurds attacked Armenia over 1500 years ago and the Armenians fought them off and killed more of them thaurds did Armenians. Again, you don't know SHIT. Pig face turk.
crowley0312 4 months ago
@crowley0312 you surely know better how to suck dicks, it's apparently the only thing you do in your life. i don't give a shit about you and your pathetic armenian fairytails. only completely retarded people live for the past, so my advice for you and other dumb armenians like you is to pull your heads out of your hairy asses and to take a look at the calendar: we have the year 2011 and not 1915. stop annoying people of today with problems of the past you whiny sissies.
durdukyeretahrik 4 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Go hang yourself fuck yourself, turk pig. If it's just the past, then why are stupid turks taught about how 'millions of innocent turks' were 'mercilisly slaughtered.' Which DIDN'T HAPPEN. We won't stop until every country in the world accepts what happend, even pig-face turkey. Between the Armenian, Greek and Assiryan's massacres, Turks got away with killing over 3.5 million people in a couple years. You don't do something that terrible and get away with it, you little bitch.
crowley0312 4 months ago
@crowley0312 well, have a nice time trying, kiddie :)
and don't forget: you are what you eat, you little pork eating armenian :P
durdukyeretahrik 4 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik How can you hear about all these terrible war crimes and just laugh at them? Most German people are disgusted by the Holocaust. Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin are looked down at by their countrys today. Yet this is this funny to you and most turks? That is why the genocide must be accepted. We cannot move into the future unless we accept the past.
crowley0312 4 months ago
@crowley0312 as long as armenians keep seeing themselves as completely innocent victims of so-called racist armenian-hating turks, who according some genocide-supporting "historians" entered the WW just to get rid of the armenians (!), there is nothing to talk about. You said hitler, stalin, etc. are now looked down at by their countries, just as the young turks are now in turkey. but do armenians look down at hunchaks and tashnaks who organized mass murder of turkish/kurdish civilists...
durdukyeretahrik 4 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik As long as turks see themselves as completly innocent planners of mass murder, there is plenty to talk about. In Germany and Italy, denying the Holocaust is a crime and the governments are very sorry and ashamed of what they did. In turkey, genocide denial, ignorance and lies are highly incouraged. Once again, you prove how stupified your government has made you. Hunchaks and Tashnaks were peacful parties that the turks wanted to destroy.
crowley0312 4 months ago
@crowley0312 so the tashnaks and hunchaks have been peaceful parties? are you kidding me? let me guess: during WW rebellious armenian bands peacefully demonstrated for independent armenia. the evil ottomans, whose empire was crumbling under the immens burdens of the war and losing territories on all fronts decided that it was the most important thing to exterminate the peaceful and poor armenians, because their peaceful resistance was the greatest threat to the empire and of course...
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik The Tashnaks and Hunchaks were peacful parties that were protesting for freedom, but did nothing violent. The turk leader gave police forces permission to do whatever they wanted. The turks attacked them in protests and any of them that lost their lives did because the protesters defended themselves.
crowley0312 3 months ago
... because the envious and jealous ottoman turkish pigs really hated the armenians and always wanted to destroy them, but unfortunately in their six centuries long history they never found the right time to do that. the great world war, which threatened the very existence of the empire, was of course the best opportunity to execute their evil turkish plans.
as one can easily notice, this sounds completely idiotic, but i think that's what armenians teach their children in school.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@crowley0312 ... and supported russian troops like in the capture of the city of Van and the following massacre on it's muslim population (which all took place before the deportation of armenians). the answer is no, on the contrary there are celebrated as heroes of armenian liberation. why do you think the armenian government is against an independent examination of the events? because the armenian side doesn't want to lose it's image as innocent victim and to be seen as backstabbing traitors.
durdukyeretahrik 4 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik You're clearly one of those turks who was taught these supposed massacre of millions of turks before the genocide. It's not your fault. It's your governments for feeding lies. Outside sources say that it's the turks that are against examination. Historians in hundreds of countrys, including Turkey, confirm the genocide took place. Yet turkey seems to be the only one that remembers their massace. I'm pretty open-minded, show me proof that turks were killed and I'll believe you.
crowley0312 4 months ago
@crowley0312 hahaha, you have no idea. i don't live in turkey, i have never seen a turkish school from the inside and no one "taught" me this in school, i studied turkish and middle-eastern history myself. No turk denies the deportation of the armenians and that many thousands of them died. that is the historical fact, the rest is interpretation. claims that the aim of the deportation was the murder or the "extinction of the armenian race" as some armenians would say are more than unlikely....
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik ...at least imho there has to be the intent to kill, if it is murder = genocide, which also could never been proven. i never spoke of millions of killed turks, that would be an extreme exaggeration just like the death toll on the armenian side. the number of 1.5 million deaths is complete nonsense, the estimated number of all armenians on ottoman territory was about that number, which is complete fiction. Actually there are more survivors of the deportation than casualties.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Once again, if you have any documented proof that shows turks being slaughtered from a conflict that they did not provoke, please show me. If you can't find anything (because they don't exist), then shut the fuck up.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Yes they do, they deny it to this very day. Talaat admitted himself afterward that he intended to eliminate every Armenian there was. You clearly don't know shit about the conflict.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 Do you think it's very difficult to exterminate unarmed civillians? Do you think the most effective, quick and cheap way to kill helpless people, who can't hide anywhere, is to organize a long journey directed to syria?
Take a look at some reports about the conquest of Van in 1915 (I think even Wikipedia will do it), there are also some interesting eyewitness accounts of russian officers about armenian atrocities, in case you understand Russian.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Not the most effective, quick or cheap way. But the most painful and tourterous way, yes. They wanted to enjoy killing a lot of innocent cililians slowly.
HOLY SHIT! The Armenians are defending themselves from being slaughtered?! How DARE they want to live!
"However, the decisions of deportation and extermination were made before the Van resistance"
- Wikipedia
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 you still didn't get the point, don't you? I said most of the armenians survived the deportation, the rest mainly died due to hunger and diseases from which not only armenians but also hundreds of thousands of turks died. we are speaking about a situation in which many turkish soldiers even didn't have shoes to wear, while their is an armenian uprising behind the ottoman army fightin russia, which also had armenian regiments in it's rows...
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Pfffhahaha! Saying Armenians died of hungar and disease would be like a Nazi saying the Jews caught fire and died. Incase your turkish brain didn't get the comparison, it's the Turk's/Nazi's fault they died. I see no evidence of hundreds of thousands of turks dieing. Where did you get that from? Armenians joined the Russians ranks once the genocide started so they could take up arms against the invading turks. Any turks that lost their lives during the genocide deserved to die.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 so you can't see any evidence turks died in WW I? you are completly right, no one died during the war excepet our poor armenians... oh wait, i can't also see any evidence that armenians died. there are only a bunch of awkward people who keep repeatedly telling this.
hoewever, you are actually the perfect proof for the armenian ignorance and fanaticism concerning their so-called genocide. the funny thing is that at the same time armenians blame turks to be ignorant deniers ^^
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Well, there are only two places I can see you getting these dead turks from. One is the Turkish-Armenian war, in which turkey went on a ruthless onslaught too completly take over Armenia. If Armenia didn't stand their ground and fight them off in Yerevan, they wouldn't be on the map. The second place is turkey fighting other countries.
Why are you even watching this video? You realize System of a Down are huge Armenian activists, right? Your kind isn't welcome here, muslim.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 the information in wikipedia is false (no surprise taner akcam is cited). the decision was taken about one month after the Van incident (can be found in wikipedia too). But what do you say about the incident itself? do you recognize the massacres carried out by armenians? Is it true or not that armenians collaborated with russia or are they still completely innocent victims, who had nothing to do with violence?
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik So now it's false? Gone? Didn't happen? Clearly you're a turk. You realize Akcam is a turk, right? Plans for the massive elimination of Armenians were already being planned before the 20th century (Can be found on wikipedia). And, of course the Van incident wasn't the first conflict. There's also beforehand conflicts, like Adana (100% turks fault). Russia helped Armenia against the aggressive turkey. I still can't find any massacre Armenia commited, only self-defense victories.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 1. Akcam is a kurd not a turk and is paid by armenian genocide campaigners, that's why no real historian can take him serious. there is not single proof for the claims that plans for a genocide existed before or even after the 20th century. if you think russia helped armenians you are really really stupid. in fact russia used armenians for it's own aims, motivating and supporting armenians for an uprising against russia's old enemy the ottomans.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Akcam was born in turkey, so he is a turk. I see no proof that he was bribed, but it would be a shame if he was. I was starting t think there might be one decent turk in the world. Russia and Armenia took sides against a common enemy, nothing more complicated than that. Stalin didn't care about them, but he was a very evil man that his country looks down at today. It's not only writen on wikipedia, but also overall obvious that the turks had wanted to kill all Armenians.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 2. armenian legions in the russian and also french armies were established long before the WW started. with the start of the war ottoman armenians sabotaged the turkish supply lines, attacked the ottoman army from the back and even massacred entire villages, mostly women and children since every capable men had to join the army. your armenian heroes also took over the city Van raped, pillaged and massacred it's entire muslim population.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Ok, you are offically deluded and retarded. I have been doing research on the events in the middle east for years and I have never once heard anything of Armenians massacring entire villages nor raping and pillaging Van. Prove that or shut the fuck up already.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 it doesn't surprise me that you an most armenians never heard of such things. they won't teach you such things in school, because such things are not wanted in cleaned up official history. Maybe you are more likely to believe, if an armenian tells you about these things.
read "The Armenian Revolutionary Federation has Nothing to do Anymore" written by Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first president of the democratic rep. of armenia (1918-1919)
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik It's amazing how every time you press the 'post' button, you prove you're a complete idiot. That book was published in the capital of turkey. The turks publishing it edited any proof about the genocide. In other words...
"The Lie of 'Armenian Genocide' in Armenian Documents"
-Turkish Documents
Dumbass...
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 sorry buddy, but you are total ignorant dumbfuck. it's a complete waste of time to even try to discuss with such armenian morons. waste your life being a pathetic whiny pseudo-genocide victim, obviously armenians like to see themselves as victims, because that is the only thing you have. but you will gain nothing from it.
At least you have a nice spare time activity remembring the genocide and hating turks. sounds like great fun for dumb morons. Serj Dumbian for president!!!
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik I decided debating with you was a waste of time awhile ago. But I kept at it because you kept on making up dumber and funnier stories. Now that the turk fairytales are proven wrong, it looks like you finally snapped.
Whine like a little bitch all you want. Just proves how stupid turks are. You couldn't kept up a single argument. The Genocide, without question, happend. One day the rest of the world will also have no choice but to recognize the truth.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 hahaha, you are pretty funny for a teeange douchebag. i enjoyed myself, too =) i don't know why, but i like arguing with ignorant boneheads, who think they are clever. armenians are always ideal partners for such arguments. i appreciate it.
and please armenians keep fighting for the recognition of the the genocide, don't give up, cuz it's so funny to watch.
"please, please turks. recognize the genocide" - the gayest and most pathetic thing ever XD XD XD
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik You're clearly a little pussy who has nothing better to do. And you wanted me to think you spent years studying the events from turkish eyes? Sucks for you, what a waste of life. You could learn more spending ten minutes on wikipedia. But explain how I'm ignorant, when you can't even hold one argument. Little monkey bitch.
First you say the Genocide didn't happen, then you admit something happend but it was exagerated, and now you're just offending homosexuals? Sad little cunt
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 "...and now you're just offending homosexuals?" you are completely right, i didn't want to compare gay people with stupid armenian genocide activists. i have to apologize, sorry gay people =)
i said there was no genocide, i never said that nothing happened, so where do you get that from? none of the information i mentioned is false. unlike most armenians i don't tell people lies and fictional stories.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik So there is no genocide. Okay. The official defenition of genocide is, "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group." The turks systematicly intended to destroy, in whole, all ethnic Armenians and religious Christians. Therefore, there was a genocide. So nothing you said was false, you just can't prove it. I'm still waiting for you to show me an event where turks were systematicly killed by Armenians.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 1. "the deliberate and systematic destruction" - the only thing you can call somehow "deliberate and systematic" was the deportation. deportation is NOT equal to destruction. if there had been some desctruction camps waiting in syria or somewhere, this would be a clear intent to kill the people, but there wasn't. in fact ottomans didn't know what to do with the armenians and they had no time or means to plan something properly.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Lets see, the turks had a system of plans to kill Armenians for years and deliberately deported them. Deportation, in the sense people are being moved AND killed, is destruction. They didn't know what to do with them? Uhh, how about march them for miles and miles until they collapse and leave them for dead (Geico guy: So easy, a turk can do it). Historians in every country, including turkey, label this genocide. Are you saying you're more qualified to answer this than they are?
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 3. they held the city until the russian forces arrived and took over the city from their armenian friends like it has been planned before. this all happened before the ottoman government decided to deport the armenians from east anatolia. is this what you call self-defence? this was long planned treason organized by your "peaceful" hunchak and tashnak rebell commitees led by caucasian armenians, who by the way started their terrorist activities already in the late 20th century .
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik The Hunchaks and Tashnaks only wanted to get the Armenians equal citizenship and the turks treated them with violence. I have never once heard of either of those groups killing someone in non-self defense. What happend before all this were other massacres, including Adana. It's so painfully clear that the turks wanted to eliminate them. I love how you abandon stuff you just said like the Van rapes. The smallest amount of research can prove turk propoganda wrong.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 2. they just wanted to get the armenians, which they couldn't trust anymore, out of east-anatolia (armenians in west-anatolia and istanbul haven't been deported) as quick as possible. armenians who reached syria were just left there by the soldiers. to say that this is a planned and systematic destruction is ridiculous.
you repeatedly keep asking for an example of systematic ethnic cleansings carried out by armenians and i already said a dozen times: VAN.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Just left there? Yeah, that's complete bullshit. As I have said a dozen times, Van was self-defense against turks. I see no atrocities done by the Armenians there. Of course your going to ignore this and act like Van was a massacre anyway.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 you are really a total bonehead, aren't you? you're still coming up with the self-defense bullshit in Van. tell me, since when massacring innocent people who didn't attack you is considered self-defense? as i told you before these treacherous armenian bastards collaborated with the russians BEFORE the deportation (this is historical fact). so if come in your house rape your wife, kill your kids, cut off their heads and put them on stakes, you would call it self-defense i suppose.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Show me where I can find evidence of Armenians marching into turk homes and committing rape and murder. Simple as that.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 how do you think a massacre is carried out? do they knock on the door and invite the turks to their own killing? it is undisputed that it happened. even biased wikipedia mentions it.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik I see no mention of wikipedia of this bullshit. It's funny how you call wikipedia biased then say that they mention it. Prove it or shut up already.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 i just checked the english wikipedia and the article changed very much since the last time i read it. not a single word is said about any muslim victims and casualties. the article is very biased anyway as i can even tell by the used literature.
"The Armenian Rebellion at Van" by Justin McCarthy gives a detailed account of the events.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik It's funny, Wikipedia used to be considered a very unrealible source but now it has improved alot and has a better reputation.
That Irish SOB McCarthy has wouldn't know shit about middle east history. All his information comes from what he learned in turkey, it's clearly biased. The IAGS called him an idiot. Many historians consider him pro-turkish. He uses the same reasons as in Holocaust denial. This guy is an idiot, his work is only accepted in turkey (gasp).
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 "turkey threatens USA to cut them off" - really, cut them off from what? what happened e.g. to the relations with france, which accepted the genocide? nothing.
"That Irish SOB McCarthy has wouldn't know shit about middle east history. All his information comes from what he learned in turkey," - where else should he do his research? in nigeria maybe? McCarthy is an expert in the field of ottoman demographics and especially his demographic works are commonly used references.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik My bad, I was out of characters. What I meant was: Whenever the US comes close to accepting the Armenian genocide, turkey threatens to take away all their political support in the middle east and cancel trade between the countries. I doubt they'd do the second one, but lately we have had some terrible presidents.
As for McCarthy, maybe he could do some reasearch at a place that ISN'T turkish biased? That's why many colleagues consider him a fool.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 you say all the "smart" and "honest" historians accept the genocide. i always wonder who these known historians are and how many of them have personally researched the events. only few international historians actually do research about the ottoman empire, even if you read western literature about WW I ottomans are barely mentioned (even in german literature). i personally think that the vast majority of those historians actually knows shit about what happened.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Yes smart and honest historians accept this view but i dont need them to tell me what i already know, it was 100% fact my great granparents all dissapeared in to the desert we have no clue of them. I believe in peace between both nations but not once did those coward apologize for killing my great grandparents because it would hurt the turkish name.
Vicious90x 3 months ago
@Vicious90x may I ask how your grandparents survived the events?
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Of course you can ask me anything as long as it is a sincere question. My grandparents grew up in orphanages on both sides of my family. My mothers father is originally from Adana historic Armenia, modern day turkey. They were secretely protected by friendly arabs in syria.
Vicious90x 3 months ago
@crowley0312 do you really think every historian is supporting your position? many known international historians are against the genocide thesis. some are therefore even threatened by armenian extremists. it can be very dangerous for someone to take stand against the armenian claims. many fear repressions and don't want to take the risk to become a persona non grata. just because armenians can't accept their views it doesn't mean they don't exist.
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Every smart and honest historian in the world accepts the Armenian genocide. I don't see the problems historians would face otherwise. If anything it's risky to say that the genocide happend. turkey uses threats all the time against countrys that are aiming to accept the genocide. Historians are immune to politics and can say what they want, exactly why so many historians acknowledge the genocide, even in places like turkey.
crowley0312 3 months ago
@crowley0312 so a historian who supports your view is "smart" and "honest" and a historian supporting the turkish view is a stupid lier, or what? who the fuck are you to decide, which historian is smart and honest? what measures did turkey take against countrys, who accepted the genocide claims? they did nothing.
historians are in no way immune against political and social pressure. not many historians would risk their carreers by supporting unpopular positions, not to forget the armenian lobby
durdukyeretahrik 3 months ago
@durdukyeretahrik Well, I'd consider historians from many different countries that decide the same thing (genocide happend) are smart and honest, while historians only from a select group that agree (turks or pro-turks) retards. turkey threatens USA to cut them off if they accept the genocide.
crowley0312 3 months ago
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ataryify 7 months ago
@ataryify that made absolutely no sense.
Thompinator 6 months ago 2
Serj you are amazing. we love SOAD.
ThePlanetlove 7 months ago
You know, 1.5 million ppl wiped out is nothing, this is a little genocide : D .
kqzeugyf 7 months ago
@kqzeugyf 1.5million people but INOCENT PEOPLE !
HellOfTheSeason 6 months ago
13 ppl are turks
zheka1780 7 months ago
@zheka1780 nope i'm turkish and fan of soad.
kqzeugyf 7 months ago
I thought about something, his hair kinda look like Dio's :P
MayenSoaD 8 months ago
damn she can't say armenians to save her life...
leaf98 9 months ago
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Fuck all Armenians !
I'm from Kars and I kill you fucking armenians !
baris66 9 months ago
@baris66
Aw, too bad you already are killed everywhere. Turks.
Chapelier 9 months ago
@baris66 shut up the one who be kill is you !! and i swear too you going to hell
LoveCherryNo6 9 months ago
@baris66 you're from Kars and you can suck my dick you fucking monkey. You have drank armenian cum all your life to become the scum which you are today, so stop hating Armenians you piece of shit.
hbadalyan 9 months ago
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LesMogol 8 months ago
@LesMogol Everytime I meet someone who happens to be a Turk, they find out I'm Armenian and start kissing ass and sucking my dick for me to consider them a human being you piece of shit. You are another fucking Monkey, if you were great in any way Europe would accept you and your own muslim brothers wouldnt disown you- you piece of shit... when America lets you go, no one is going to protect you and your shitty backstabbing country you moron...which means your mothers will be fucked in the ass.
hbadalyan 8 months ago
@LesMogol And go study more English you piece of shit... if you go through youtube carefull you can see how educated Armenians are when they type their comments compared to you fucking ape's who cant spell or type for shit. Which basically explains that you are brainless fucking goat fucking faggots.... Respect for the Turks who accept us as brothers, and fuck all other Turks who are nothing but dirt... sort of like you and the damned family that raised you... faggot...
hbadalyan 8 months ago
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LesMogol 8 months ago
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@baris66 HEY FUCK YOU MAN! YOU STUPID SHIT! FUCK OFF LITTLE CUNT, WHAT THE HELL MAN!? JUST FUCK OFF YOU STUPID SHIT!
CheyenneDepp1 8 months ago
Fuck Turks . God bless u system of down . We will never forget 1915 .
vrejian 10 months ago 9
11 people are retarded for disliking
superrunscape2 10 months ago
Vote Serj Tankian for President!
Sixxinarow6 11 months ago 69
@Sixxinarow6 Correction: SOAD for President
MrNomSauce 8 months ago
@Sixxinarow6 If u Vote him for president all turks would get killed in usa.
HerrPunkt 8 months ago
ZOMG, learn to say armenian right, its armeanyen, not armeane en
leaf98 1 year ago
wie heist das lied wahts the name of this song?
jojoba108 1 year ago
@jojoba108 SOAD-Arials
ArabianStyle13 1 year ago
АРМЯНСКИЕ ПРОСТИТУТКИ ГОЛОВНАЯ БОЛЬ ТУРЕЦКИХ ВЛАСТЕЙ.....ВВЕДИТЕ ЭТО В ПОИСКУВУЮ СИСТЕМУ,ВАША армянская ПРЕССА САМА ПРИЗНАЛАСЬ ОБ ЭТОМ ))))))))))))))
Sepultura0607 1 year ago
weird they have no song devoted to Armenia
BeautySavesWorld 1 year ago
@BeautySavesWorld they have one song, it' s called holy mountains.
sotimalli 1 year ago
@sotimalli
ah, that one, thanks ;-)
BeautySavesWorld 1 year ago
@BeautySavesWorld most of their songs reference the genocide though
MeYouDisgust 1 year ago
FFS people, this is soad stuff, the band against hate! Yet you sit here idly hating one another like hate doesn't breed hate! You're all the bloody same, stop arguing.
Carbonite2008 1 year ago
@midleground bloody hell you're twisted, you can't have listened to soad much
Carbonite2008 1 year ago
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@Carbonite2008 АРМЯНСКИЕ ПРОСТИТУТКИ ГОЛОВНАЯ БОЛЬ ТУРЕЦКИХ ВЛАСТЕЙ.....ВВЕДИТЕ ЭТО В ПОИСКУВУЮ СИСТЕМУ,ВАША армянская ПРЕССА САМА ПРИЗНАЛАСЬ ОБ ЭТОМ ))))))))))))))
Sepultura0607 1 year ago
fuck all the turks in the world
MultiChris1219 1 year ago
Serj is my hero and i support him 100%, but calling all turks monsters makes you no beter then them. There are good and bad everywhere so don't judge A group of people for what only some of them did.
JakeRulzDude 1 year ago
S.O.A.D. is the best group forever!!
PS: Visit our Profile
BeautifulBlackANB 1 year ago 18
we love u serj!!! we love whatever u sing!!
justme92able 1 year ago 3
the thing that have allowed wars to go on is people to stupid to qoustion things and just do what theire told. like RATM said Fuck u I wont do what u tell me!
miwerton 1 year ago
that was at leaf98
Taunt61 1 year ago
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The Turks even tried to settle it with Armenia for once and for all! They wanted to search it together and after all the evidence that they have found, they would go to a court. But Armenia denied, several times. hmmm... i wonder why? And please don't say that the Turks denied to search together, Erdogan even said it into the face of the president of armenia when they were around alot of people. search up: TURKISH PRIME MINISTER TALKS ABOUT ARMENIAN "GENOCIDE"
boMbiLi 1 year ago
fuck murderers' successors!!!!!!! a prayer to victims of Genocide
HaykazBagrat 1 year ago 2
First of all you turks and azers will be punished by the GOD
and then all of world's countries will fuck you!!!
go to hell deamons
barevhayerable 1 year ago 2
@barevhayerable fuck off
WilliamBroichYAY 1 year ago
FUCK YOU!!! TURKS
TheMsgarik 1 year ago
@TheMsgarik fuck off
WilliamBroichYAY 1 year ago
Being armenian i want to the recognition happen so badly but the US government and the turkish government are so ignorant its not even funny. And i hope that the FBI tags this message.
leaf98 1 year ago 2
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Turkey and Azerbaycan has to unite, as soon as possible to wipe these lying arManiacs from the worl-map...
For 3 Mio. Armenia, we just need 30 minutes, and together with our Azeri brothers it'll take us at least 15 minutes and we'll take back the occupied Azeri-Karabag!
bozkurdi 1 year ago
@bozkurdi
I got two words for you: FUCK YOU!
MrRAMMSTEINER95 1 year ago
@bozkurdi so sweet, little dreamer
TheDarthnick 1 year ago
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TRUTH is:
The whole world knows that this so-called-armeniyan-genocide never happened, it is in every archieve of every Nation in the World (E; F, R...)!
Turks WILL make your dreams of a 'REAL' Genocide come true, lying-subhuman-arManiacs!
Just wait and see...
C
...C
C
By the way...how can a human being be that ugly, like Serjiyan?
God doesn't like liars, you can see it in his face...fucking non-believing satanist!
bozkurdi 1 year ago
@bozkurdi fuckkin turkishshit
this is your heaven just wait till judgment day
zodyou1 1 year ago
It's so shameful to see what's written in so many of these comments. The truth is that the Armenian genocide did happen. It cannot be denied, but that doesn't make Muslims murderers, or Turks murderers either. Remember Rwanda? Their genocide happened from their own people. What about the Circassians? They were killed by the Russians because they were Muslim. People kill. It has nothing to do with religion.
xXElMananaXx 1 year ago 2
@xXElMananaXx Yeah i agree with you, what are these people thinking?
SecretSoadFan 1 year ago
@xXElMananaXx I agree religion has nothing to do with it. It was all politics back then. But we have an obligation to recognize the murder of people and to be a witness to suffering. This was political opportunizism much like rwanda was and it deserves to be noticed.
mrfinn9 1 year ago
@xXElMananaXx You are wrong my friend. War happens because of religion and differents belief, but other causes too. If you don't believe this look, at the war, in Iraq. The country hates Christians and The Western Style of life. They are the only ones who want to be known for killing Christians. All we can do is pray and hope nothing bad happens. The Armenian Genocide happened because of jealousy towards the Armenian People. I know this because I am, Armenian. We will forgive but never forget.
HarutJanJan 1 year ago
@HarutJanJan War can happen for religious reasons, but that is not the only cause for war. Beliefs are not always related to religion, my friend. They go beyond that. Have you ever heard of civil war? Don't you think in the situation of civil war people usually share the same religious beliefs but differ in other beliefs?
xXElMananaXx 1 year ago
@HarutJanJan I hate to say this, but you seem to harbor some amount of hatred against Muslims to say that people of an entire country hate christians and the western style of life. I'm sorry, but is the western lifestyle connected in any way to christianity? I think you'd find it does not. Yeah, keep thinking how you think. You'll go places.
xXElMananaXx 1 year ago
@xXElMananaXx АРМЯНСКИЕ ПРОСТИТУТКИ ГОЛОВНАЯ БОЛЬ ТУРЕЦКИХ ВЛАСТЕЙ.....ВВЕДИТЕ ЭТО В ПОИСКУВУЮ СИСТЕМУ,ВАША армянская ПРЕССА САМА ПРИЗНАЛАСЬ ОБ ЭТОМ ))))))))))))))
Sepultura0607 1 year ago
@HarutJanJan
Deportation took place because of our jerk union and progress party . But the reason was not jelauy , it was taschnak comitee. Which was still wrong. Yet the answer is not jelaousy.
vakasim 1 year ago
@HarutJanJan
And about Iraq. Again wrong they hate west simply because their country is invaded by the west . How can you find so childih reaons to identify things?
vakasim 1 year ago
Darfur didn't happen either, man....it was all cartoons and shit. Real talk.
AlexTheMusicPhene 1 year ago
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TRUTH is:
The whole world knows that this so-called-armeniyan-genocide never happened, it is in every archieve of every Nation in the World (E; F, R...)!
Turks WILL make your dreams of a 'REAL' Genocide come true, lying-subhuman-arManiacs!
Just wait and see...
C
...C
C
By the way...how can a human being be that ugly, like Serjiyan?
God doesn't like liars, you can see it in his face...fucking non-believing satanist!
bozkurdi 1 year ago
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AlexTheMusicPhene 1 year ago
@bozkurdi fuck muslims muslims are all terrorists
HeyItsAQuad 1 year ago
какой нахуй азербджан!!! вашу пазорную пароду ебал! вашу гнилую турецкую крорвь ебал! ваши пустые души ебал !!!!!!!!!!!
LEVA3030 1 year ago
VIVA AZERBAYCAN Y LOS AZERIES
Milesmex 1 year ago
Turkey and Azerbaycan has to unite, as soon as possible to wipe these lying arManiacs from the worl-map...
For 3 Mio. Armenia, we just need 30 minutes, and together with our Azeri brothers it'll take us at least 15 minutes and we'll take back the occupied Azeri-Karabag!
bozkurdi 1 year ago
@bozkurdi DUDE FUCK YOU DOG azeris and turcks ITS OUR LOAND AND WE TOOK IT BACK SO FUCK OFF U SO CALLED HUMAN
HeyItsAQuad 1 year ago
@bozkurdi so you want to wipe out us armenians. i'd like to see you fucking try it. you would have the US army on ur ass so fast it will make your fucking head spin.
leaf98 1 year ago
excuse me, but this is the sorriest answer i have ever heard given to a stupid racist comment.
Taunt61 1 year ago
@bozkurdi Fuck you!! first 3 letters of you name already tell us what kind of person you are (for non-Armenains - boz means Bitch :D:D)
andranik3949 1 year ago
Relocation to other Ottoman state can not be a genocide.
What happened to you is because of misscalculations of your nationalist leaders.
Blame them instead.
Zulum75 1 year ago
Saying the Armenian Genocide is fake is like saying the color black is the brightest color of all.
Its Stupid.
RetroZombieee 1 year ago
It's totally getting all Zohan up in here.
NotreDameSentiento 1 year ago
Also, maybe try to look into the other side of the story, both of you! Try to learn about something you've never tried to learn about.
Consider if killing is ever justified, and what both countries did to the other before this tragic event in history.
I think the most important thing is to understand the WHOLE truth about what happened, and learn from history.
No matter what, thousands of Armenians died, and that's not okay. Just consider that, too, if you will.
ManderFrogizmo 1 year ago 2
I know this is a very important issue, but it shouldn't divide these countries.
Taz and AtalayTurk, did either of you live in 1915? I understand that you're passionate about your opinions, and that's good, I guess, but you shouldn't hate one another for something that happened between your ancestors.
I think you should hate that your side isn't well represented, and seek to represent it in a non-violent, non-prejudiced way that is HONEST.
ManderFrogizmo 1 year ago 2
@ManderFrogizmo
I know you are in a conversation with another person, however I feel I must interfere.
My father's grandfather's family was slaughtered during the genocide and he is only 49 years old, so this did not happen that long ago. It might have been nearly a century since it began, but it is far from having affected only our ancestors. My great grandfather(who I have had the privilege of meeting) had to suffer through this crisis.
coolio1467 1 year ago
@coolio1467
I'm genuinely sorry to hear that that happened. I'm not trying to minimize the horrible impact the killing had on so many families. People died, and that is terrible. I understand that it was less than 100 years ago, but I just don't see why it has to separate people as much as it does. In the end, not all Turks killed all Armenians, or the other way around. I just don't see why some people say they hate all Turks or they hate all Armenians.
ManderFrogizmo 1 year ago
@ManderFrogizmo ur an idiot!!! u wont understand!!!!!
MsUsgirl 1 year ago
@MsUsgirl Hah. I don't think I'm an idiot. I have a lot of compassion for those who died in the genocide, I just don't hate all Turkish people. I think blind hate led to the genocide, and to continue to use blind hate can't bring love...I guess.
You are right that I can never understand exactly what it feels like, though. I'll give you that.
I just wish there was more love, is all.
ManderFrogizmo 1 year ago
@ManderFrogizmo if you dont think you are, then open a couple of BOOKS, if you what i mean, and read about genocide. and btw...read not armenian books, in order to understand who the f*** are turks and kurds.
good luck
MsUsgirl 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
@818zTaz TEAR YOUR ASS BASTARD, TEAR YOUR ASS
AtalayTurk 1 year ago
@AtalayTurk dude really your coming on youtube saying this grow some balls and say it to these peoples faces.
yamaha85number17 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
@818zTaz racist
ronnie346 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
FUCK TURKS
818zTaz 1 year ago
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Listen armenian rats.. be little human ! instead of crying like a little bitch, accept the offer..Open your archives..under the super vision of an international committee of hostorians..(not politicians that your fathers feed).. along with the archives of Syria, Russia, France & USA.. Why are you running away RATS?? I know why.. This is your only source of money.. Other wise you will eat each other in your fucking small land ;) CLOWNS.. CRY ! AND TEAR YOUR ASSES!!!
AtalayTurk 1 year ago
Listen armenian rats.. be little human ! instead of crying like a little bitch, accept the offer..Open your archives..under the super vision of an international committee of hostorians..(not politicians that your fathers feed).. along with the archives of Syria, Russia, France & USA.. Why are you running away RATS?? I know why.. This is your only source of money.. Other wise you will eat each other in your fucking small land ;) CLOWNS.. CRY ! AND TEAR YOUR ASSES!!!
AtalayTurk 1 year ago
@AtalayTurk Your an Idiot... it's funny how Turks get so loud over youtube but when you meet them in real life they shit in their pants everytime they question "are you turkish?"..."no man I'm armenian"..."oh!".....then they wish they had a smoke bomb they could use to get away from you, fearing a nut sack slowly tea bagging them to misery.
hbadalyan 1 year ago