Listening to the General drinking the Kool-Aid makes me sad. He wised up, as president he learned. This war propaganda is filth. Hundreds of thousands of our men died and for what? Money. When will people in nations realize that war is something rich men conjure up and are battles between them that have nothing to do with nationality, nobility, or lofty causes?
I think Tom selleck did a good Job acting in his portrayal of Eisenhower just before he made the speech, look at the list to the "right". Ok, you may disagree and think his performance was lacking. That is ok, but don't criticize me for liking it. It is only two individuals exercising their likes. If DeGaulle gave a speech, and put favorable opinion on Youtube, I am not going to go on and on with them, that they are wrong, they are entitled to love DeGaulle, even though I non concur...OK?
@giannivee1 I haven't criticized you for liking the speech, I was just disagreeing with you about Eisenhower being a great orator. I dont see why you feel you need to go off on one because of a differance of opinion.
@11nytram11 Ahem....ok, lets agree that we disagree...You think that it isn't great oratory, and I think it is. You be happy in your bubble of criticism and I will be happy in mine of a man who was under tremendous stress to land all of those soldiers on Normandy.....agreed???? You go your way, and I go mine.
@11nytram11 I am not worked up about it at all. So let me start over...I really liked the Generals Speech, he possesses such great Oratorical skill, and his use of English is reflective of the public school system's high standards in turn of the Century USA circa 1900...God Bless...Gianni
Maybe your mom gave a "I am sorry I dropped him on his head the day he was born speech". Would that have been a good speech. Maybe I would have liked the speech, but someone says..."no, his mother wasn't a good orator"...but the doctor liked the speech, cause it shows "she was honest, and it wasn't his delivery that caused you to be this way speech" speech?...I think whoever posted this liked ike, liked the speech, and I just was giving my opinion as a red blooded american "comment"speech.
Or maybe you don't like the fact that I liked his speech. Which mans it isn't about Ike's speech, It is about who I think liked a speech. Example, When Captain Kangaroos signed off of CBS and gave his "It has been real fun" speech, I liked that. CPT Kangaroo wasn't a great orator in your opinion, but maybe it was still a good speech. Can we just go our separate ways. I think you are anal retentive... Ok, you disagree, but darn I still think it is a good speech, Lets ask Westpoint...hmmm?
How about the speech with the lady on the commercial: "where's the beef?" speech. Or maybe Kennedy's Innaguration speech. There are lots of great speeches delivered by people making a point LIke Ike, or Caesar given at key moments in History that we look at and admire these people for. Oh, I see you really don't admire Eisenhower, Ok, you are entitled to your opinion. What is wrong with you, your girlfriend didn't like you today, or the day i wrote that. Or do you have a girlfriend?.??
@giannivee1 I dont admire Eisenhower, actually. I have legitimate reasons for not thinking highly as a military man but that doesn't I cant recognize his better qualities as well as a his lesser ones. It doesn't matter if Eisenhower was a great talker or not, if he was able to do the job he had to an effective degree then being a good public speaker no bearing on the matter.
The fact the speech is on here is so that people like me who like the speech, or college historians can enjoy listening to the speech. Not so someone can say, you know, he really wasn't a good speaker, then defend their positions. You are entitled to your opinion, guess what..so am I. Do we now want to argue about that???? I think you are very weird...go away. bother someone else, or maybe agree or disagree with Nixon's Checkers speech, or Johnson's I am not seeking re-election speech!!
I still believe it is a wonderfully crafted speech, and at the moment of the landing has a certain genuiness that gives many people, like me and others, that goose bump feeling. Similar to Churchill's speech about fighting them on the beaches, fighting them in the fields and barns etc. I understand you don't think he is a good orator. You are entitled to your opinion. I am tired of discussing it. I don't agree with you ok??? and if isn't ok, i really don't care. OK? sheeeesh....
Lastly, about MacArthur, Eisenhower said he studied "dramtics" under MacArthur, although joking, it was true. Mac was a good General, very seasoned, but also aware of his own image, Ego was not far behind. But even at the end of his carreer, his Incheon landing bespeaks a determined leader who took the battle to the far rear of the Advancing North Koreans. He was a hero at the end of his carreer as much as in its season of blossom. He was very loved and respected..and fired...God Bless him.
An example, and their are many others, of the Alies grit on the Western front: "Bastogne" The Germans launch a lighning armor and infantry invasion against the West in hopes of taking Antwerp and separating the allies form supplies. One light infantry unit, 101 Airborne holds the vital intersection and town, dying and starving they don't give up, elements of Patton's Third Army relieves them in blistering cold marching 100 miles on foot. True, Valiant, decisive, on time!!!
My Dad spent his time in the Far east: China/Burma. My Uncle fought on the Western Front Battle of the Bulge, My other uncle fought in the Pacific "Biak". My Dad met my mom during Occupation of Germany 1946, they married a few months later under conditions of almost total negativity. Curtis Lemay gave final permission for my Dad to marry my Mom, I actualy have the permission granted with his signature. Thanks for the question.
And who was freed by Ike and MacArthur? First I would mention the Koreans, they had been under terrible Japanese Bondage since about 1911, longer than any other nation. Also the Phillippines, where many places are named for MacArthur and also many graves of US Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen, also, Guam, The solomons, the numerous other Islands, Taiwan. France, Italy, and Even West Germany itself, saved from Hitler by us. Many have given their thanks, lest we forget. Beware modern untruths!
@giannivee1 The American's contribution to the war in Europe was to firebomb German civilians while the Russians fought the actual wehrmacht. Once it was clear Germany was defeated they launched the D-day landings like mercenary cowards as the Russians had done the work. They abandoned Poland and hundreds of millions of other at the end of the European war. They did well in the pacific and must be very proud of dropping nuclear bombs on japan and killing untold women and children to end the war.
@Kadinkski The British firebombed Dresden yes, as a matter of fact my mother saw it from the ground up when it was intact, you didn't. My mom and her family were bombed day and night, living near Stettin. The Americans abandoned no one, a political decision was reached between Stalin and FDR, FDR was dying and dead by April 1945. Yes we are proud of the bombs dropped on Japan, it saved more Japanese lives than any other. So nice you can change history now.
@giannivee1 Yes, I know American troops made a huge difference in the Pacific (although I think MacArthur is an incompetent chest-beating gorilla that unnecessarily killed thousands of his men). My point is that American troops made zero difference in the European theatre. Even the American army in Italy that weren't part of the D-Day landings conceded this. America was just a huge manufacturing plant - no soldierly skill or grit...continued...
@Kadinkski You fail to see the significant strategic advantage once the Western front opened, it gave Germany a "two front" problem. If you follow the Russian advance it picks up speed once the Western Front opens. Of course the Russians lost millions compared to our thousands, they had been on the front alone for two years. America wasn't even in the war until late 1941. I will always be thankful to the Russians, although their government was as oppressive as Hitler's.
@giannivee1 Churchill often bemoaned the fact that the Brits and Americans in Europe had no courage or grit or initiative - he said the moment they encountered any resistance from the germans they dug in and waited for military support. I'm sorry but he was actually there - I take his word over yours any day. And how can you say the Germans loved Eisenhower?! Thats just madness - they were at war with him, very strange to be at war with someone you love!
@Kadinkski The Germans were the victims of Nazi Germany too. My family never supported Hitler, there was much anger of Versailles and the Post WWI restrictions on Germany. This all made Hitler's rise possible. Once in power, things swiftly changed to show them they were wrong. By the end of the War many Germans (Rommel is on the assination attempt) wanted Hitler gone and the war over. Yes they came to love Eisenhower, he saved them from Hitler. "Eisenhower" is a German name, it helped him.
@Kadinkski I cannot believe Churchill said this about the Americans the Western front was a difficult alliance, any nay saying by any leader would have been flirting with ruining the strength of the overall bond. Truth is the Tommies held on to England when everyone else was overrun "Battle of Britain" Monty steadfastly stood up to Rommel in the Desert, the USA and UK stood up to a professional army in the Huns. Never has so much been owed to so few by so many...Churchill.
Eisenhower was born in Texas of German American immigrants, grew up poor and educated on Bible and reading, writing, and arithmetic. To get a college education he studied for and passed the battery of exams necessary to become an cadet, he served as normal officer, progressed through the ranks and became great because of Histories course and his unchanging values which steered him along a narrow and certain course. He was American, gentle, strong, intelligent, and was a great leader.
It is clear that this film has been put on Youtube for those of us who admired or wished to know more about Eisenhower, or the horrible events of World War II. But even here, insulting persons, with no regard for decency have the audacity to point in our faces and say unkind and obviously biased and untrue things about our Hero. Eisenhower is probably the single most admired person that ever lived..eclipsing many, in particular, General MacArthur, also greatly loved by his country.
And for those of us who were the children of that "Greatest" Generation which shunned war, tried to remain Isolationist, yet were thrust upon the battlefields of the War. It gives me great pride to have known them, to have been spanked by them, corrected by them, taken to church by them, prayed with them, prayed for by them, fed by them, cared for by them, God bless them. They never mocked Eisenhower, Churchill, or FDR, they were brave, gentle, and still very much honorable persons. Gianni
@berserker276 I realize you are just a young ignorant spoiled example of what the modern age has produced. So I am not mad at you. Somewhat sympathetic actually. The vile refuse world your mind was born in, made you this way. However, a lot of us who Love, respected, and hold him in high esteem would appreciate it if you could move on to the Frank Zappa portion of Youtube, God bless you for being "real" and obviously shameful. bye bye
I listened to Ike again, feeling even priveleged to hear a person born in the United States Interior from the humblest setting, much like Isaiah's portrait of the Lord to come, "for he grew up as a tender plant out of dry ground, and had no form nor comliness... and we esteemed him not. The humblest background of international christlike figure. Humble words, a foil against "Hitler's" arrogrant deliveries flaming spital and death... Ike was ours, he is God's he is to the ages...Thanx Gianni
@giannivee1 You sound like a prolix school girl. Please go away and leave this forum to intelligent people that understand what went on in those days. This is not the place for hysterical school girls that resort to quoting the bible like it actually means anything to intelligent humans. Everybody knows that Eisenhower (and the americans) in WW2 were a joke - a side show at best. Please, just go away and leave this for people that understand such things.
@Kadinkski No, i won't go away, and how dare you come into this particular room to insult Eisenhower and to suggest that i go away and leave for more intelligent types...types like you, in your view? What kind of freedom of opinion is that? oh yes, your kind. Well since I grew up free and not oppressed like you, I suggest you are wrong and I stay. We are about to have a very long cozy friendship, So where are you from friend??? hmmmmm?
@giannivee1 freedom of speech, blah blah blah the lord god doth approve, blah blah the land of the free and the brave blah blah from the humblest tender plant into a mighty christlike figure. etc etc. I mean, jesus christ, do you actually have something to say or is it all just platitudes? Sorry, but I'm not interested in your pathetic re-hashing of childish sound bites. if I want your opinion I'll just watch Fox news - its slightly less annoying than reading your tripe.
@Kadinkski I meant to tell you what I accidentally put on Berzerker...My Bad, "you are just a young ignorant spoiled example of the modern age. I am not mad at you, I have seen your kind for yeras. The vile refuse of your mind made you this way. FYI lots of us remember, love, and respected Ike. So did many foreigners. Truth is Ike and MacArthur are more respected my foreigners who were freed by his leadership than most US Citizens do. God bless you anyway..Thanks Gianni
@giannivee1 No, not correct. Only in the US is Eisenhower respected. Who exactly did he free that wouldn't have been freed once the Russians took Berlin anyway? His (and US in general) contribution to the land war in Europe was pathetic. Waited for Russia to win then scavenge what they can like dirty hyenas. Everyone in Europe laughs when they see the bullshit America spouts out about this non-entity. MacArthur/US made a difference in the pacific, but even then they bungled things terribly.
@Kadinkski Yes, Correct, as a 2nd Lieutenant US Army I was at the Bahnhoff in Bad Hersfeld Germany in 1984 and an old German man saw me in my uniform and shook my hand and thanked me as an American for helping to Stop Hitler. I couldn't take the credit but on behalf of Ike...I received the old man with Great Joy. You should have been there. It made me proud to be part of something bigger and older than myself. thanks Gianni
@Kadinkski Also my mother and grandmother as refugees moved west and were liberated by Eisenhower and the Allies and loved Eisenhower to their deaths. My great grandmother was liberated by the Russians, My great Aunt was liberated by the Russians and was raped by an entire company of Monguls. Who are you BSing? you are a total fool. Of course you won't take it form those who lived it. You prefer your own brand of mindless university communism propaganda. God bless you, but you are so wrong
@giannivee1 Yes, I know many millions were were "liberated" by the Allies in Europe from D-Day through to the end of the war. But my point is that its generally accepted by Europeans that these "liberations" were utterly meaningless in the context of WW2 (though they had an effect on post war europe). I will not demean my family and how they were effected by WW2 to win a utube argument against a childish idiot but suffice to say I know full well how those that lived it were effected.
@Kadinkski I think you must have some agenda. Stalin pressed the allies to make the second front. Thousands died at Omaha, this is no small contribution. I am no idiot. My mother saw WWII start she lived miles form the checkpoint to the Polish border where it all started in 1939, My father was US Soldier, I have WWII in my veins. The Germans (a significant combatant) loved Eisenhower, by the time the Allies landed, the Fuhrers dreams were dead. I am retired US Army, no child.
Eisenhower's diction, pace of speech, ability to convey an important issue to his men and to the free people of the world. This underscores the superior educational and spiritual state of our nation almost a century ago. After all Eisenhower is a product of a turn of the 20th century school system. How marvelous that generation was. I am totally amazed.
@giannivee1 What are you talking about? The pace and diction is shit - he sounds like a robot. I hate this stupid blind glorification of anything the allies did - this is simply a crap speech and everybody here knows it.
@rotwart You are obviously in the new generation that watches movies extolling no virtue. He was poltically in the Hotseat when he wrote that and then broadcasted it, he had to appeal to many audiences at one time. Considering the stress upon him, the expectations of so many different backgrounds, it is in the same category as the Gettysburg address. Trouble is you are just too ignorant to appreciate anything. You are a product of your school system too. Thanks Gianni
@giannivee1 I do appreciate the content. I'm just saying that he delivers it very poorly. If you were to type the words into a computer speech program you'd get a similar delivery. It very flat and one-paced, theres no sense of timing or build-up to the conclusion. Great words, awful delivery...especially when compared to contemporaries such as Hitler who really was a great orator.
@rotwart You are entitled to your opinion, I wish you would convery it elsewhere, but, alas, like a horrible looking cyst on the hind of a beef cow in a remote pasture I am sure you will remain. Don't be surprised if I elect not to chat with you again, thanks for your additions and comment on history. Gasp!!!
@giannivee1 Why are you bothering me with this mess of irrelevance? If you don't have anything to say on the subject of Eisenhower's speech, please refrain from chatting to me at all. Thank you.
@rotwart Saying Eisenhower's Speech made at the fateful moment of the Landing at Normandy: "pace and diction is shit" and "I hate this stupid blind glorification of anything the allies did..." Unlike you they saved Europe from Hitler. We of my generation will always defend them. You are entitled to both your opnion, and to have it crammed up your essay writing colon. You should be ashamed. By the way I didn't comment on your first, you took it upon yourself to degrade my praise for Ike.
@giannivee1 You praised his pace and diction. I said it was shit - especially when compared to somebody like Hitler. I think the content is brilliant and Ike was a great general but anyone can see that this is a poorly delivered speech, thus my comment about glorifying every aspect of the allies' war. I honestly don't understand why I should be ashamed - what a bizarre thing to say! Try not posting comments in a public forum if you don't want anyone to disagree with you.
@giannivee1 Eisenhower was not a great orator. His greatest skills lay in mediation and administration which were more backstage thing. His speeches were relatively well written but his delivery lacked that sense of drama that the best orators had. As far as the period of WW2 goes, Churchill was the greatest orator of the Allies by a long way.
@11nytram11 On D Day when he delivered the speech, his carreer, the fate of the Western Cause hung in the balance. Considering that, and the hope and dreams of entire nations forced into a horrible war (it was a horrible war, right?) gives the address an intensity by undertone of the monumentous moment at hand, why it has that aspect of drama, therefore it is an incredibly wonderful speech. William Jennings Bryan was a great Orator and Jesus. Can we just agree...to disagree?? thanks
@rotwart They typed the Gettysburg address into a computer and same verdict. But thanks understand now. You were just giving a fair appraisal, probably why i thought your diction was for Sh** and you lacked any coherent direction in your attempt at being politely critical. Glad we could exchange as gentleman finally. Thanks Gianni
Wasn't Eisenhower the Supreme commander for the D-Day invasion ( American ), From what i read when the British forces could not take the town of Cain he would not let let the British commander ( Mongonry or something not sure of the spelling ) use his plans.
Eventually he was considered unfit to command the forces so the British Commander finally was able to put his plan into action and bombed the who town and killed all the SS divisions posted there which helped win D-Day.
Caen was the town and montgomery was having a hard time taking it, slowing the allied advance, he eventually took it but became hated by the other allied commanders. Eisenhower did let montgomery use his plans later ion holland (operation market garden), and the plan was a disaster...it is montgomery who was overrated. the brits had many better generals than him.
@karichurch1 Montgomery did not become hated by the other Allied Commanders for Caen, He became hated for his superior attitude, his tactless comments and his annoying habit of usually being right and not being slow to point out where others were wrong or had failed.
Furthermore Eisenhower, Bedel Smith and Bradley all agreed that only Montgomery could have handled OVERLORD and it would have been a failure without him, and blame for MARKET GARDEN's can be shared around the Allied High Command.
@karichurch1 The only British General of the War who comes close to Monty's success rate in battles & campaigns won is Bill Slim. With the exception of Slim no other British General was half as effective in combat as Monty - Alanbrooke, however, was his superior in strategy. These three are the top British generals of the War & Americans, generally, haven't rated any of them because to do so would mean having to recognize them as at least equal to the US Generals of the war.
@ViDeOMaStErPaUl Eisenhower was never considered unfit, you little scenario probably came from a barbershop conversation with an imbecile. He is respected both in the United States, United Kingdom, and Germany. You sir, are very ill informed and most arrogant in your assessment.
@giannivee1 After the D-day landings a British commander needed to take a town (Forgot the name) and could not do it with eisenhower in command, Eventually he was considered unfit to lead weeks after the landings.
I watched it on a history documentary. Im just saying what I watched and heard not something that was in barbershop
@ViDeOMaStErPaUl Well I certainly won't stand in the way of a town (forgot the name) Why don't you hush, if this is all you have. Montgomery was over the British commanders Gold, Sword and Juno beaches and overall in command of him was Bradley, How did Eisenhower jump down two or three levels of control and get in the way of some regimental commander? I think you are spinning flax with no spinning wheel...but it was a historical documentary...OK....go back to sleep.
@giannivee1 You wrote "Montgomery was over the British commanders Gold, Sword and Juno beaches and overall in command of him was Bradley".
I will assume this was a typo and so I'll correct it: "Montgomery was overall commander of the whole operation, under him was Dempsey in command of the British beaches and Bradley in command of the American beaches."
@11nytram11 No it isn't a typo, you got to look at the "Order of Battle"...Montgomery had responsibility for the British forces..British forces used Gold, Sword, and Juno beaches. Americans used Omaha and Utah Beaches, under Bradley, IKE was over the both of them, and Bradley was Officer in Charge of the Landing for the beachhead., Bradley was on Battleship Texas watching as supervisor of Landing, Ike was in England. Not a typo, Order of battle for the day. What color was Monty's beret?
@giannivee1 Then I question you sources because Monty's official role in Operation OVERLORD & the entire Normandy Campaign was Allied Land Forces Commander. Juno, Gold & Sword beaches were the responsibility of Miles Dempsey & the 2nd British Army while Omaha & Utah were the responsibility of Omar Bradley & the 1st US Army. After the breakout occured Bradley became 12th Army Group commander, Patton's 3rd US Army & Crerar's 1st Canadian Army were activated, all still under Monty.
@giannivee1 Eisenhower was SCAFE - Supreme Commander Allied Forces in Europe - but he did not become Land Forces Commander until after Paris had fallen. Eisenhower role in the Normandy Campaign was to deal with politician who were worried about the slow pace, to deal with logistic and to mediate between the Land, Sea and Air Forces commanders so they worked together. He had little to no part in deciding how the campaign was fought on the ground.
This guy sucked. He is way over rated.You dont have 2 be good if you outnumber the other side 10 to 1 in the air.Guess how long was the Atlantic wall children? Over 5000km long! It spreads the German forces far & wide.That makes it easy for this over rated loser + the fact that Germany was already losing the war against USSR.On the Normandy beaches they outnumbered the Germans 10 to 1 in the air & 17.5 to 1 in infantry.Great Commander my ass! This guy is a fruitcake compared 2 German Commanders!
@TuckTheMaster Because they were outnumbered and outproduced in the air, land and see. On 1 Side they fighted the biggest country & biggest war in the world. Russia! 9 out of 10 German soldiers died on the Eastern Front. I doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they lost. + I would not say destroyed. Just look at German military casualties then look at the allied military casualties in Europe. German military casualties is much lower then Allied military casualties in Europe.
@LootsEr Who was it who decided to fight a war on all fronts? Who was it that decided to make enemies out of Britain, America and the Soviet Union? Who was it that stretched German manpower so thinly that it couldn't be used as effectively as it should have been? I think you'll find it was Hitler and the German high command. When the leaders of a nation make bad military decisions that make the war their fighting unwinnable you cannot blame their enemies for taking advantage of it.
@11nytram11 no not the german high-command, if it had been them with absolute authority over the wehrmacht we would be living in a very different world.
@xOrion89x To quote Erich vn Manstein: "Prussian field marshals do not mutiny." Even if the German high command just followed Hitler's orders knowing it was a poorly throughtout military idea then they are culpable by their silence.
If they thought Hitler was so wrong why did none of them do what Gerd von Rundstedt did before the Ardennes offensive, officially oppose the operation and refuse to command it?
@11nytram11 Of course they opposed it, but at the end of the day hitler was the one with absolute power and could easily dismiss their objections. But to outright refuse to carry out an order or to carry out an unauthorized one is extremely circumstantial, not the easiest thing to do in a fascist dictatorship.
@xOrion89x The point was that Germany and Prussia before it had a culture of absolute obdience amongst their officers. Soldiers followed ordered whether they agreed with it or not and did not question them. In this the Nazi-German General were culpable for the mistake made by the Nazi-German military because they could have spoken out but didn't. It's an entirely different matter to follow an order without question than it is to be forced to follow that order.
@xOrion89x Rundstedt refused to follow an order and got away with it, Rommel refused to follow an order and got away with it so it was possible. The problem was that too many German officers just were prepared to speak out, some were afriad to but others just hadn't been trained that way.
I recently watched the mini-series Band of Brothers. It was enlightening and amazing. Incredibly sad to see what the men of Easy Company and many like them had to go through from D-Day and until the surrender of both German and Japanese troops. Saving Private Ryan is also one of my favorite movies. Incredible men facing extraordinary circumstances.
Listening to the General drinking the Kool-Aid makes me sad. He wised up, as president he learned. This war propaganda is filth. Hundreds of thousands of our men died and for what? Money. When will people in nations realize that war is something rich men conjure up and are battles between them that have nothing to do with nationality, nobility, or lofty causes?
MattQB1990 2 hours ago
I think Tom selleck did a good Job acting in his portrayal of Eisenhower just before he made the speech, look at the list to the "right". Ok, you may disagree and think his performance was lacking. That is ok, but don't criticize me for liking it. It is only two individuals exercising their likes. If DeGaulle gave a speech, and put favorable opinion on Youtube, I am not going to go on and on with them, that they are wrong, they are entitled to love DeGaulle, even though I non concur...OK?
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 I haven't criticized you for liking the speech, I was just disagreeing with you about Eisenhower being a great orator. I dont see why you feel you need to go off on one because of a differance of opinion.
11nytram11 1 month ago
@11nytram11 Ahem....ok, lets agree that we disagree...You think that it isn't great oratory, and I think it is. You be happy in your bubble of criticism and I will be happy in mine of a man who was under tremendous stress to land all of those soldiers on Normandy.....agreed???? You go your way, and I go mine.
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Fine. I just dont know why your getting so worked up about it.
11nytram11 1 month ago
@11nytram11 I am not worked up about it at all. So let me start over...I really liked the Generals Speech, he possesses such great Oratorical skill, and his use of English is reflective of the public school system's high standards in turn of the Century USA circa 1900...God Bless...Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
Maybe your mom gave a "I am sorry I dropped him on his head the day he was born speech". Would that have been a good speech. Maybe I would have liked the speech, but someone says..."no, his mother wasn't a good orator"...but the doctor liked the speech, cause it shows "she was honest, and it wasn't his delivery that caused you to be this way speech" speech?...I think whoever posted this liked ike, liked the speech, and I just was giving my opinion as a red blooded american "comment"speech.
giannivee1 1 month ago
Or maybe you don't like the fact that I liked his speech. Which mans it isn't about Ike's speech, It is about who I think liked a speech. Example, When Captain Kangaroos signed off of CBS and gave his "It has been real fun" speech, I liked that. CPT Kangaroo wasn't a great orator in your opinion, but maybe it was still a good speech. Can we just go our separate ways. I think you are anal retentive... Ok, you disagree, but darn I still think it is a good speech, Lets ask Westpoint...hmmm?
giannivee1 1 month ago
How about the speech with the lady on the commercial: "where's the beef?" speech. Or maybe Kennedy's Innaguration speech. There are lots of great speeches delivered by people making a point LIke Ike, or Caesar given at key moments in History that we look at and admire these people for. Oh, I see you really don't admire Eisenhower, Ok, you are entitled to your opinion. What is wrong with you, your girlfriend didn't like you today, or the day i wrote that. Or do you have a girlfriend?.??
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 I dont admire Eisenhower, actually. I have legitimate reasons for not thinking highly as a military man but that doesn't I cant recognize his better qualities as well as a his lesser ones. It doesn't matter if Eisenhower was a great talker or not, if he was able to do the job he had to an effective degree then being a good public speaker no bearing on the matter.
11nytram11 1 month ago
The fact the speech is on here is so that people like me who like the speech, or college historians can enjoy listening to the speech. Not so someone can say, you know, he really wasn't a good speaker, then defend their positions. You are entitled to your opinion, guess what..so am I. Do we now want to argue about that???? I think you are very weird...go away. bother someone else, or maybe agree or disagree with Nixon's Checkers speech, or Johnson's I am not seeking re-election speech!!
giannivee1 1 month ago
I still believe it is a wonderfully crafted speech, and at the moment of the landing has a certain genuiness that gives many people, like me and others, that goose bump feeling. Similar to Churchill's speech about fighting them on the beaches, fighting them in the fields and barns etc. I understand you don't think he is a good orator. You are entitled to your opinion. I am tired of discussing it. I don't agree with you ok??? and if isn't ok, i really don't care. OK? sheeeesh....
giannivee1 1 month ago
Lastly, about MacArthur, Eisenhower said he studied "dramtics" under MacArthur, although joking, it was true. Mac was a good General, very seasoned, but also aware of his own image, Ego was not far behind. But even at the end of his carreer, his Incheon landing bespeaks a determined leader who took the battle to the far rear of the Advancing North Koreans. He was a hero at the end of his carreer as much as in its season of blossom. He was very loved and respected..and fired...God Bless him.
giannivee1 1 month ago
An example, and their are many others, of the Alies grit on the Western front: "Bastogne" The Germans launch a lighning armor and infantry invasion against the West in hopes of taking Antwerp and separating the allies form supplies. One light infantry unit, 101 Airborne holds the vital intersection and town, dying and starving they don't give up, elements of Patton's Third Army relieves them in blistering cold marching 100 miles on foot. True, Valiant, decisive, on time!!!
giannivee1 1 month ago
My Dad spent his time in the Far east: China/Burma. My Uncle fought on the Western Front Battle of the Bulge, My other uncle fought in the Pacific "Biak". My Dad met my mom during Occupation of Germany 1946, they married a few months later under conditions of almost total negativity. Curtis Lemay gave final permission for my Dad to marry my Mom, I actualy have the permission granted with his signature. Thanks for the question.
giannivee1 1 month ago
And who was freed by Ike and MacArthur? First I would mention the Koreans, they had been under terrible Japanese Bondage since about 1911, longer than any other nation. Also the Phillippines, where many places are named for MacArthur and also many graves of US Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen, also, Guam, The solomons, the numerous other Islands, Taiwan. France, Italy, and Even West Germany itself, saved from Hitler by us. Many have given their thanks, lest we forget. Beware modern untruths!
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 The American's contribution to the war in Europe was to firebomb German civilians while the Russians fought the actual wehrmacht. Once it was clear Germany was defeated they launched the D-day landings like mercenary cowards as the Russians had done the work. They abandoned Poland and hundreds of millions of other at the end of the European war. They did well in the pacific and must be very proud of dropping nuclear bombs on japan and killing untold women and children to end the war.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski The British firebombed Dresden yes, as a matter of fact my mother saw it from the ground up when it was intact, you didn't. My mom and her family were bombed day and night, living near Stettin. The Americans abandoned no one, a political decision was reached between Stalin and FDR, FDR was dying and dead by April 1945. Yes we are proud of the bombs dropped on Japan, it saved more Japanese lives than any other. So nice you can change history now.
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Yes, I know American troops made a huge difference in the Pacific (although I think MacArthur is an incompetent chest-beating gorilla that unnecessarily killed thousands of his men). My point is that American troops made zero difference in the European theatre. Even the American army in Italy that weren't part of the D-Day landings conceded this. America was just a huge manufacturing plant - no soldierly skill or grit...continued...
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski You fail to see the significant strategic advantage once the Western front opened, it gave Germany a "two front" problem. If you follow the Russian advance it picks up speed once the Western Front opens. Of course the Russians lost millions compared to our thousands, they had been on the front alone for two years. America wasn't even in the war until late 1941. I will always be thankful to the Russians, although their government was as oppressive as Hitler's.
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Churchill often bemoaned the fact that the Brits and Americans in Europe had no courage or grit or initiative - he said the moment they encountered any resistance from the germans they dug in and waited for military support. I'm sorry but he was actually there - I take his word over yours any day. And how can you say the Germans loved Eisenhower?! Thats just madness - they were at war with him, very strange to be at war with someone you love!
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@giannivee1 sorry, should be waited for *artillery* support (not military). How did your parents meet out of interest, was it during the war?
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski The Germans were the victims of Nazi Germany too. My family never supported Hitler, there was much anger of Versailles and the Post WWI restrictions on Germany. This all made Hitler's rise possible. Once in power, things swiftly changed to show them they were wrong. By the end of the War many Germans (Rommel is on the assination attempt) wanted Hitler gone and the war over. Yes they came to love Eisenhower, he saved them from Hitler. "Eisenhower" is a German name, it helped him.
giannivee1 1 month ago
@Kadinkski I cannot believe Churchill said this about the Americans the Western front was a difficult alliance, any nay saying by any leader would have been flirting with ruining the strength of the overall bond. Truth is the Tommies held on to England when everyone else was overrun "Battle of Britain" Monty steadfastly stood up to Rommel in the Desert, the USA and UK stood up to a professional army in the Huns. Never has so much been owed to so few by so many...Churchill.
giannivee1 1 month ago
Eisenhower was born in Texas of German American immigrants, grew up poor and educated on Bible and reading, writing, and arithmetic. To get a college education he studied for and passed the battery of exams necessary to become an cadet, he served as normal officer, progressed through the ranks and became great because of Histories course and his unchanging values which steered him along a narrow and certain course. He was American, gentle, strong, intelligent, and was a great leader.
giannivee1 1 month ago
It is clear that this film has been put on Youtube for those of us who admired or wished to know more about Eisenhower, or the horrible events of World War II. But even here, insulting persons, with no regard for decency have the audacity to point in our faces and say unkind and obviously biased and untrue things about our Hero. Eisenhower is probably the single most admired person that ever lived..eclipsing many, in particular, General MacArthur, also greatly loved by his country.
giannivee1 1 month ago
And for those of us who were the children of that "Greatest" Generation which shunned war, tried to remain Isolationist, yet were thrust upon the battlefields of the War. It gives me great pride to have known them, to have been spanked by them, corrected by them, taken to church by them, prayed with them, prayed for by them, fed by them, cared for by them, God bless them. They never mocked Eisenhower, Churchill, or FDR, they were brave, gentle, and still very much honorable persons. Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
I'm a little confused now..
berserker276 1 month ago
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rotwart 1 month ago
@berserker276 I realize you are just a young ignorant spoiled example of what the modern age has produced. So I am not mad at you. Somewhat sympathetic actually. The vile refuse world your mind was born in, made you this way. However, a lot of us who Love, respected, and hold him in high esteem would appreciate it if you could move on to the Frank Zappa portion of Youtube, God bless you for being "real" and obviously shameful. bye bye
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 sorry berserker, meant this for kadinski, my computer was slow and by the time i typed it it came up on you...so please ignore, sorry
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 What the hell?
berserker276 1 month ago
@Kadinkski America didn't win the war, the Allies did.
berserker276 1 month ago
@berserker276 I didn't say America won the war - please learn to read before posting comments on youtube.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
I listened to Ike again, feeling even priveleged to hear a person born in the United States Interior from the humblest setting, much like Isaiah's portrait of the Lord to come, "for he grew up as a tender plant out of dry ground, and had no form nor comliness... and we esteemed him not. The humblest background of international christlike figure. Humble words, a foil against "Hitler's" arrogrant deliveries flaming spital and death... Ike was ours, he is God's he is to the ages...Thanx Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 You sound like a prolix school girl. Please go away and leave this forum to intelligent people that understand what went on in those days. This is not the place for hysterical school girls that resort to quoting the bible like it actually means anything to intelligent humans. Everybody knows that Eisenhower (and the americans) in WW2 were a joke - a side show at best. Please, just go away and leave this for people that understand such things.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski No, i won't go away, and how dare you come into this particular room to insult Eisenhower and to suggest that i go away and leave for more intelligent types...types like you, in your view? What kind of freedom of opinion is that? oh yes, your kind. Well since I grew up free and not oppressed like you, I suggest you are wrong and I stay. We are about to have a very long cozy friendship, So where are you from friend??? hmmmmm?
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 freedom of speech, blah blah blah the lord god doth approve, blah blah the land of the free and the brave blah blah from the humblest tender plant into a mighty christlike figure. etc etc. I mean, jesus christ, do you actually have something to say or is it all just platitudes? Sorry, but I'm not interested in your pathetic re-hashing of childish sound bites. if I want your opinion I'll just watch Fox news - its slightly less annoying than reading your tripe.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski I meant to tell you what I accidentally put on Berzerker...My Bad, "you are just a young ignorant spoiled example of the modern age. I am not mad at you, I have seen your kind for yeras. The vile refuse of your mind made you this way. FYI lots of us remember, love, and respected Ike. So did many foreigners. Truth is Ike and MacArthur are more respected my foreigners who were freed by his leadership than most US Citizens do. God bless you anyway..Thanks Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 No, not correct. Only in the US is Eisenhower respected. Who exactly did he free that wouldn't have been freed once the Russians took Berlin anyway? His (and US in general) contribution to the land war in Europe was pathetic. Waited for Russia to win then scavenge what they can like dirty hyenas. Everyone in Europe laughs when they see the bullshit America spouts out about this non-entity. MacArthur/US made a difference in the pacific, but even then they bungled things terribly.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski Yes, Correct, as a 2nd Lieutenant US Army I was at the Bahnhoff in Bad Hersfeld Germany in 1984 and an old German man saw me in my uniform and shook my hand and thanked me as an American for helping to Stop Hitler. I couldn't take the credit but on behalf of Ike...I received the old man with Great Joy. You should have been there. It made me proud to be part of something bigger and older than myself. thanks Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
@Kadinkski Also my mother and grandmother as refugees moved west and were liberated by Eisenhower and the Allies and loved Eisenhower to their deaths. My great grandmother was liberated by the Russians, My great Aunt was liberated by the Russians and was raped by an entire company of Monguls. Who are you BSing? you are a total fool. Of course you won't take it form those who lived it. You prefer your own brand of mindless university communism propaganda. God bless you, but you are so wrong
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Yes, I know many millions were were "liberated" by the Allies in Europe from D-Day through to the end of the war. But my point is that its generally accepted by Europeans that these "liberations" were utterly meaningless in the context of WW2 (though they had an effect on post war europe). I will not demean my family and how they were effected by WW2 to win a utube argument against a childish idiot but suffice to say I know full well how those that lived it were effected.
Kadinkski 1 month ago
@Kadinkski I think you must have some agenda. Stalin pressed the allies to make the second front. Thousands died at Omaha, this is no small contribution. I am no idiot. My mother saw WWII start she lived miles form the checkpoint to the Polish border where it all started in 1939, My father was US Soldier, I have WWII in my veins. The Germans (a significant combatant) loved Eisenhower, by the time the Allies landed, the Fuhrers dreams were dead. I am retired US Army, no child.
giannivee1 1 month ago
Eisenhower's diction, pace of speech, ability to convey an important issue to his men and to the free people of the world. This underscores the superior educational and spiritual state of our nation almost a century ago. After all Eisenhower is a product of a turn of the 20th century school system. How marvelous that generation was. I am totally amazed.
giannivee1 7 months ago
@giannivee1 What are you talking about? The pace and diction is shit - he sounds like a robot. I hate this stupid blind glorification of anything the allies did - this is simply a crap speech and everybody here knows it.
rotwart 2 months ago
@rotwart You are obviously in the new generation that watches movies extolling no virtue. He was poltically in the Hotseat when he wrote that and then broadcasted it, he had to appeal to many audiences at one time. Considering the stress upon him, the expectations of so many different backgrounds, it is in the same category as the Gettysburg address. Trouble is you are just too ignorant to appreciate anything. You are a product of your school system too. Thanks Gianni
giannivee1 2 months ago
@giannivee1 I do appreciate the content. I'm just saying that he delivers it very poorly. If you were to type the words into a computer speech program you'd get a similar delivery. It very flat and one-paced, theres no sense of timing or build-up to the conclusion. Great words, awful delivery...especially when compared to contemporaries such as Hitler who really was a great orator.
rotwart 2 months ago
@rotwart You are entitled to your opinion, I wish you would convery it elsewhere, but, alas, like a horrible looking cyst on the hind of a beef cow in a remote pasture I am sure you will remain. Don't be surprised if I elect not to chat with you again, thanks for your additions and comment on history. Gasp!!!
giannivee1 2 months ago
@giannivee1 Why are you bothering me with this mess of irrelevance? If you don't have anything to say on the subject of Eisenhower's speech, please refrain from chatting to me at all. Thank you.
rotwart 2 months ago
@rotwart Saying Eisenhower's Speech made at the fateful moment of the Landing at Normandy: "pace and diction is shit" and "I hate this stupid blind glorification of anything the allies did..." Unlike you they saved Europe from Hitler. We of my generation will always defend them. You are entitled to both your opnion, and to have it crammed up your essay writing colon. You should be ashamed. By the way I didn't comment on your first, you took it upon yourself to degrade my praise for Ike.
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 You praised his pace and diction. I said it was shit - especially when compared to somebody like Hitler. I think the content is brilliant and Ike was a great general but anyone can see that this is a poorly delivered speech, thus my comment about glorifying every aspect of the allies' war. I honestly don't understand why I should be ashamed - what a bizarre thing to say! Try not posting comments in a public forum if you don't want anyone to disagree with you.
rotwart 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Eisenhower was not a great orator. His greatest skills lay in mediation and administration which were more backstage thing. His speeches were relatively well written but his delivery lacked that sense of drama that the best orators had. As far as the period of WW2 goes, Churchill was the greatest orator of the Allies by a long way.
11nytram11 1 month ago
@11nytram11 On D Day when he delivered the speech, his carreer, the fate of the Western Cause hung in the balance. Considering that, and the hope and dreams of entire nations forced into a horrible war (it was a horrible war, right?) gives the address an intensity by undertone of the monumentous moment at hand, why it has that aspect of drama, therefore it is an incredibly wonderful speech. William Jennings Bryan was a great Orator and Jesus. Can we just agree...to disagree?? thanks
giannivee1 1 month ago
@rotwart They typed the Gettysburg address into a computer and same verdict. But thanks understand now. You were just giving a fair appraisal, probably why i thought your diction was for Sh** and you lacked any coherent direction in your attempt at being politely critical. Glad we could exchange as gentleman finally. Thanks Gianni
giannivee1 1 month ago
A tremendous speech General Eisenhower! Thhis speech sends chills down my spine
MrTennesseeVols 7 months ago
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berserker276 8 months ago
Wasn't Eisenhower the Supreme commander for the D-Day invasion ( American ), From what i read when the British forces could not take the town of Cain he would not let let the British commander ( Mongonry or something not sure of the spelling ) use his plans.
Eventually he was considered unfit to command the forces so the British Commander finally was able to put his plan into action and bombed the who town and killed all the SS divisions posted there which helped win D-Day.
ViDeOMaStErPaUl 8 months ago
@ViDeOMaStErPaUl nah..thats incorrect
Caen was the town and montgomery was having a hard time taking it, slowing the allied advance, he eventually took it but became hated by the other allied commanders. Eisenhower did let montgomery use his plans later ion holland (operation market garden), and the plan was a disaster...it is montgomery who was overrated. the brits had many better generals than him.
karichurch1 8 months ago
@karichurch1 Montgomery did not become hated by the other Allied Commanders for Caen, He became hated for his superior attitude, his tactless comments and his annoying habit of usually being right and not being slow to point out where others were wrong or had failed.
Furthermore Eisenhower, Bedel Smith and Bradley all agreed that only Montgomery could have handled OVERLORD and it would have been a failure without him, and blame for MARKET GARDEN's can be shared around the Allied High Command.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@karichurch1 The only British General of the War who comes close to Monty's success rate in battles & campaigns won is Bill Slim. With the exception of Slim no other British General was half as effective in combat as Monty - Alanbrooke, however, was his superior in strategy. These three are the top British generals of the War & Americans, generally, haven't rated any of them because to do so would mean having to recognize them as at least equal to the US Generals of the war.
11nytram11 4 months ago
@11nytram11 Monty was effective but Slim was superior (and dramatically underrated).
rotwart 2 months ago
@ViDeOMaStErPaUl Eisenhower was never considered unfit, you little scenario probably came from a barbershop conversation with an imbecile. He is respected both in the United States, United Kingdom, and Germany. You sir, are very ill informed and most arrogant in your assessment.
giannivee1 2 months ago
@giannivee1 After the D-day landings a British commander needed to take a town (Forgot the name) and could not do it with eisenhower in command, Eventually he was considered unfit to lead weeks after the landings.
I watched it on a history documentary. Im just saying what I watched and heard not something that was in barbershop
ViDeOMaStErPaUl 2 months ago
@ViDeOMaStErPaUl Well I certainly won't stand in the way of a town (forgot the name) Why don't you hush, if this is all you have. Montgomery was over the British commanders Gold, Sword and Juno beaches and overall in command of him was Bradley, How did Eisenhower jump down two or three levels of control and get in the way of some regimental commander? I think you are spinning flax with no spinning wheel...but it was a historical documentary...OK....go back to sleep.
giannivee1 2 months ago
@giannivee1 You wrote "Montgomery was over the British commanders Gold, Sword and Juno beaches and overall in command of him was Bradley".
I will assume this was a typo and so I'll correct it: "Montgomery was overall commander of the whole operation, under him was Dempsey in command of the British beaches and Bradley in command of the American beaches."
11nytram11 1 month ago
@11nytram11 No it isn't a typo, you got to look at the "Order of Battle"...Montgomery had responsibility for the British forces..British forces used Gold, Sword, and Juno beaches. Americans used Omaha and Utah Beaches, under Bradley, IKE was over the both of them, and Bradley was Officer in Charge of the Landing for the beachhead., Bradley was on Battleship Texas watching as supervisor of Landing, Ike was in England. Not a typo, Order of battle for the day. What color was Monty's beret?
giannivee1 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Then I question you sources because Monty's official role in Operation OVERLORD & the entire Normandy Campaign was Allied Land Forces Commander. Juno, Gold & Sword beaches were the responsibility of Miles Dempsey & the 2nd British Army while Omaha & Utah were the responsibility of Omar Bradley & the 1st US Army. After the breakout occured Bradley became 12th Army Group commander, Patton's 3rd US Army & Crerar's 1st Canadian Army were activated, all still under Monty.
11nytram11 1 month ago
@giannivee1 Eisenhower was SCAFE - Supreme Commander Allied Forces in Europe - but he did not become Land Forces Commander until after Paris had fallen. Eisenhower role in the Normandy Campaign was to deal with politician who were worried about the slow pace, to deal with logistic and to mediate between the Land, Sea and Air Forces commanders so they worked together. He had little to no part in deciding how the campaign was fought on the ground.
11nytram11 1 month ago
This guy sucked. He is way over rated.You dont have 2 be good if you outnumber the other side 10 to 1 in the air.Guess how long was the Atlantic wall children? Over 5000km long! It spreads the German forces far & wide.That makes it easy for this over rated loser + the fact that Germany was already losing the war against USSR.On the Normandy beaches they outnumbered the Germans 10 to 1 in the air & 17.5 to 1 in infantry.Great Commander my ass! This guy is a fruitcake compared 2 German Commanders!
LootsEr 1 year ago
@LootsEr You disrespectful piece of kraut shit. Ike was likeable, honorable, and a shrewd politician. So up your's!
KTChamberlain 1 year ago
@LootsEr If German commanders were so great then why did they get destroyed by the allies?
TuckTheMaster 11 months ago
@TuckTheMaster Because they were outnumbered and outproduced in the air, land and see. On 1 Side they fighted the biggest country & biggest war in the world. Russia! 9 out of 10 German soldiers died on the Eastern Front. I doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they lost. + I would not say destroyed. Just look at German military casualties then look at the allied military casualties in Europe. German military casualties is much lower then Allied military casualties in Europe.
LootsEr 11 months ago
@LootsEr Who was it who decided to fight a war on all fronts? Who was it that decided to make enemies out of Britain, America and the Soviet Union? Who was it that stretched German manpower so thinly that it couldn't be used as effectively as it should have been? I think you'll find it was Hitler and the German high command. When the leaders of a nation make bad military decisions that make the war their fighting unwinnable you cannot blame their enemies for taking advantage of it.
11nytram11 10 months ago
@11nytram11 no not the german high-command, if it had been them with absolute authority over the wehrmacht we would be living in a very different world.
xOrion89x 4 months ago
@xOrion89x To quote Erich vn Manstein: "Prussian field marshals do not mutiny." Even if the German high command just followed Hitler's orders knowing it was a poorly throughtout military idea then they are culpable by their silence.
If they thought Hitler was so wrong why did none of them do what Gerd von Rundstedt did before the Ardennes offensive, officially oppose the operation and refuse to command it?
11nytram11 1 month ago
@11nytram11 Of course they opposed it, but at the end of the day hitler was the one with absolute power and could easily dismiss their objections. But to outright refuse to carry out an order or to carry out an unauthorized one is extremely circumstantial, not the easiest thing to do in a fascist dictatorship.
xOrion89x 4 weeks ago
@xOrion89x The point was that Germany and Prussia before it had a culture of absolute obdience amongst their officers. Soldiers followed ordered whether they agreed with it or not and did not question them. In this the Nazi-German General were culpable for the mistake made by the Nazi-German military because they could have spoken out but didn't. It's an entirely different matter to follow an order without question than it is to be forced to follow that order.
11nytram11 4 weeks ago
@xOrion89x Rundstedt refused to follow an order and got away with it, Rommel refused to follow an order and got away with it so it was possible. The problem was that too many German officers just were prepared to speak out, some were afriad to but others just hadn't been trained that way.
11nytram11 4 weeks ago
I recently watched the mini-series Band of Brothers. It was enlightening and amazing. Incredibly sad to see what the men of Easy Company and many like them had to go through from D-Day and until the surrender of both German and Japanese troops. Saving Private Ryan is also one of my favorite movies. Incredible men facing extraordinary circumstances.
Psychoagent 1 year ago