@jonjonjon1370 not faster, but the force of the gravity can bend the way that the photons "fly", so if the gravity is high enough it gets bended so far, that it gets "sucked" in by the black hole. Maybe you can visualize it by thinking of a magnet and a rolling metal ball. It is pretty awesome if you think about it.
what i don't get is that in "fabric of the cosmos" the author brian greene, says that black holes don't actually exist because there is not enough time for one to form, it takes an infinite amount of time for it to form so technically they don't exist?
@rmhism. Your really really stupid, do you even know what a black hole is??? It theoretically falls victim to its own gravity and with no force to keep it stable, it can infact have infinite dense.
In other words, the escape velocity beyond the event horizon is greater than the speed of light.
Don't know if he says this at any point, but it's generally believed that there's a supermassive black hole at the center of most if not all galaxies, including our own.
If you get caught in one you get "spagettified". Youtube search it for a depiction
in future videos, if you have the time, can you please post the links to where you got the pictures from? because you always seem to get great graphics and i would like to be able to view/save them afterwards. thanks!
You should make it clear that when you say "infinite density" you don't mean never ending. Scientist use the word 'infinite' to describe something that is incalculable.
I just don't understand how the singularity can have infinite mass. if it's made up of the mass of a star then that is a huge amount of mass, but it sure as hell isn't infinite.
@Sconz32 it doesn' have an infinite amount of mass. A black hole has the same gravitation as the star that it came from. But the mass is at an infinitely small place. The densitiy is infinitely small.
A black hole = mathematical equation on paper , no one has ever seen what you call a black hole . This mathematical equation is to try explain what we think may be happening . Theory does not = fact . These theorems of singularity ect are based on the assumption of gravitational forces . Plasma cosmology by contrast, acknowledges the electrodynamic nature of the universe . Gravity and inertia are NOT the only forces at work . WE know nothing but the very basics
@Plutoniummatt I have to second Plutoniummatt. Ozzycriss's argument is written as if it's hard facts he's telling, but he is kind of wrong.
Black holes have been observed already, by staring at stars in the night sky for several to hundreds of days, in a case of which a black hole is present, these stars will orbit around a point in the sky where there's no light being emitted from. This means that there's a superdense/heavy body out there. We call it a black hole.
@Metropolitian To call the energetic events at the centre of our galaxy a 'Black Hole' is an interpretation, not an observation.
Furthermore, most of this activity contradicts the original theory, such as new stars forming so close to the alleged event horizon, when matter there should be sucked into oblivion.
@Plutoniummatt A black hole = an interpretation of a source of energetic activity
Theory does not = fact . The existence (according to most physicists) of a black hole is part of a valid theory. But a scientific theory must exclude solutions that violate basic physical principles or yield inconsistent mathematics .
Well, if you consider that light is at least partly a particle, it makes perfect sense that with strong enough gravity, you could pull particles of light toward or away from something.
@rafaravioli 3 solar masses only make for that much gravitational pull, density does not affect the amount of gravitational pull, only the localization of the pull.
That's wrong. At this close distances the shape of the mass has to be taken into account. While at long range a 3 solar masses star and a 3 solar masses black hole have the same "pull", this is not true up close. A star is huge compared to a black hole, so there's always a "far" side of the star, which means part of the matter (and thereby mass) is much farther away. As gravitational pull decreases with the square of the distance, this makes a huge difference!
@superdau I see what you're saying, although for Newton the center of the mass is considered the center of attraction. Maybe that's why Newton was wrong?
@Haradin32, as I understand it, they will orbit each other in an ever decreasing spiral until they collide and form a single black hole with the combined mass of them both.
They typically either orbit each other (like a binary star system), or they combine into a black hole with a mass equal to the sum of the previous two masses, emitting huge gamma burst all the way.
@Zappyguy111 I was watching the cosmological playlist on Sal's channel. I was waiting for quasars at the time (which I found out wasn't uploaded until recently) and this came up.
@kaczurda Mass can be destroyed - rather, converted into energy. E = MC^2 is the relationship between energy and mass. Although mass can be destroyed, it is conserved, simply through another mean (in this case, energy).
@Mal1234567 Oh. This is because a black hole has an extremely large mass and zero volume. Density = mass/volume, which is undefined, therefore infinite. Also, since Newton's Law states that the force of gravity between 2 masses is G(Mm)/r^2, when you set the radius = zero, the result is undefined (cannot divide by zero). This is why black holes have infinite curvature in the space-time continuum. As Khan mentioned, this is the singularity. Known math equations break down at the singularity.
@kaczurda you can't use newtonian mechanics when you study black holes, you have to use general relativity. the problem arises because the metric assumes a form similar to that of newton's where you end up dividing by zero.
@Mal1234567 He says "infinite mass density" meaning that the density of the mass is infinite. The mass itself is unknown, because it is unknown what exactly happens to anything which is sucked into the black hole. The mass could be infinite theoretically.
@bacamd Using the formula for gravitational energy: Fg= G*(m1*m2)/r^2 if the black hole is in orbit with another object of known mass one could approximate a mass for the black hole. since mass is directly related to gravitational pull that seems pretty accurate
@bacamd the mass isn't infinite. All blackholes would be one size if this were the case and/or the blackhole would consume the entire universe. however there are blackholes of varying sizes which indicates that the mass is finite (i would think this is obvious). I also recently read somewhere that scientists figured out that the volume isn't at one single point, rather just a very, very tiny area.
@Mal1234567 The gravitational pressure will force the neutrons to degenerate (essentially, just combine into a single point) at which point a black hole will form, which has an infinite mass density, meaning that the density of its mass is infinite, which is possible because the singularity is infinitely small.
2:17 if it aint white it aint righ.lol I <3 Khan Academy
thekeanmoses 1 week ago
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Jimenezz89 2 weeks ago
if black holes can suck in light, wouldnt that mean gravity is faster then light?
jonjonjon1370 1 month ago 2
@jonjonjon1370 not faster, but the force of the gravity can bend the way that the photons "fly", so if the gravity is high enough it gets bended so far, that it gets "sucked" in by the black hole. Maybe you can visualize it by thinking of a magnet and a rolling metal ball. It is pretty awesome if you think about it.
eirh 1 month ago
@eirh thanks! made perfect sense!
jonjonjon1370 1 month ago
I think I could get more out of these videos if I wasn't constantly watching and waiting for him to go back and cross his T's! haha
OregonCoastGhost 2 months ago
-FUCKING HEAD EXPLODES-
KillaNCDealer 2 months ago
awesome
elfstomper4444 3 months ago
So what your saying is a black hole is just a mathematical equation on a piece of paper .
ozzycriss 3 months ago
@ozzycriss It was in the beginning but in the recent years we have observation that confirms it.
Deicidead 3 months ago
@Deicidead i would say its still an Interpretation of energetic activity , these things are so far away that observation almost zero
ozzycriss 3 months ago
I go to KhanAcademy to check some subjects I'm struggling with and then I simply get caught by these much more interesting videos... whatdo?
GreatAgentD 3 months ago 5
@GreatAgentD i noe the same thing happens to me...
RyomaE28 3 months ago
@GreatAgentD Ha same here. Whenever I do astronomy homework it takes me hours just because I start reading/watching interesting things about science.
LiberalJerseyman 2 months ago
what i don't get is that in "fabric of the cosmos" the author brian greene, says that black holes don't actually exist because there is not enough time for one to form, it takes an infinite amount of time for it to form so technically they don't exist?
tuzobarca 3 months ago
@rmhism. Your really really stupid, do you even know what a black hole is??? It theoretically falls victim to its own gravity and with no force to keep it stable, it can infact have infinite dense.
INMATE2468 4 months ago
Black holes don't have "infinite density". A black hole with mass a hundred million suns will have about the same density as water.
rmhism 4 months ago
this dude is so fuckin smart. its really ridiculous
mistaSIRA 4 months ago
My science teacher told me one tablespoon of neutron star matter weighs as much as or more than all the vehicles in North America. Is that true?
MrMonCinnamon 5 months ago
@MrMonCinnamon! I think that a golf-ball sized piece of a neutron star weighs as much as 1 billion elephants. You do the math.
Randomsurprise2 4 months ago
i decided to spend my summer learning from sal,I wanna become a well-rounded individual before college and Sal has topics about everything
hahs4 8 months ago 2
Speaking of Black Holes, how do you get the badges?
hedonism13 9 months ago
@hedonism13
That's for YOU to discover ;-D
MrTechnoAlex 9 months ago
@hedonism13 You can complete all the exercises or you can get a billion energy. (Good luck...)
randomwindowsstuffz 5 months ago
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randomwindowsstuffz 5 months ago
gah. Neutron Stars are City-Sized!? That's TINY! :-P
KnaberArtist 9 months ago
what program is this?
satch1011 10 months ago
In other words, the escape velocity beyond the event horizon is greater than the speed of light.
Don't know if he says this at any point, but it's generally believed that there's a supermassive black hole at the center of most if not all galaxies, including our own.
If you get caught in one you get "spagettified". Youtube search it for a depiction
tIs4gatorbait 10 months ago
If you find this interesting, look up the "black hole information loss paradox."
xXSparky117Xx 11 months ago
finally i have the understanding of black hole beside my girlfriend's
crumcon 11 months ago
in future videos, if you have the time, can you please post the links to where you got the pictures from? because you always seem to get great graphics and i would like to be able to view/save them afterwards. thanks!
ShaheemA13 1 year ago
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ashfaq0606014 1 year ago
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ashfaq0606014 1 year ago
You should make it clear that when you say "infinite density" you don't mean never ending. Scientist use the word 'infinite' to describe something that is incalculable.
jiberish001 1 year ago
I just don't understand how the singularity can have infinite mass. if it's made up of the mass of a star then that is a huge amount of mass, but it sure as hell isn't infinite.
Sconz32 1 year ago
@Sconz32 it doesn' have an infinite amount of mass. A black hole has the same gravitation as the star that it came from. But the mass is at an infinitely small place. The densitiy is infinitely small.
GammahooX 1 year ago
Thanks to Sal, I am becoming a knowledge black hole.
dalcde 1 year ago 37
these videos are so pointless for me but soo awesome =D
0HellBlaze0 1 year ago 26
@0HellBlaze0 no it isnt
it essential to our understanding of the universe
barneysixx 9 months ago
@0HellBlaze0 Why are they pointless?
LiberalJerseyman 2 months ago
@0HellBlaze0
self education is never worthless
ApocDevTeam 1 month ago 4
@ApocDevTeam True except this isn't self education he is teaching us
stevenballa1 3 weeks ago
A black hole = mathematical equation on paper , no one has ever seen what you call a black hole . This mathematical equation is to try explain what we think may be happening . Theory does not = fact . These theorems of singularity ect are based on the assumption of gravitational forces . Plasma cosmology by contrast, acknowledges the electrodynamic nature of the universe . Gravity and inertia are NOT the only forces at work . WE know nothing but the very basics
ozzycriss 1 year ago
@ozzycriss
A black hole = has been observed indirectly, no one can see one directly cuz you literally cant.
Plutoniummatt 1 year ago 4
@Plutoniummatt I have to second Plutoniummatt. Ozzycriss's argument is written as if it's hard facts he's telling, but he is kind of wrong.
Black holes have been observed already, by staring at stars in the night sky for several to hundreds of days, in a case of which a black hole is present, these stars will orbit around a point in the sky where there's no light being emitted from. This means that there's a superdense/heavy body out there. We call it a black hole.
Metropolitian 1 year ago
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@Metropolitian To call the energetic events at the centre of our galaxy a 'Black Hole' is an interpretation, not an observation.
Furthermore, most of this activity contradicts the original theory, such as new stars forming so close to the alleged event horizon, when matter there should be sucked into oblivion.
ozzycriss 1 year ago
@Plutoniummatt A black hole = an interpretation of a source of energetic activity
Theory does not = fact . The existence (according to most physicists) of a black hole is part of a valid theory. But a scientific theory must exclude solutions that violate basic physical principles or yield inconsistent mathematics .
ozzycriss 1 year ago
@ozzycriss
I don't need a lecture on physics thanks, im perfectly happy with receiving that from my university
Plutoniummatt 1 year ago
@Plutoniummatt And what university would that be , if you don't mind me asking . As a side note a lecture is an oral presentation .
ozzycriss 1 year ago
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ozzycriss 1 year ago
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ozzycriss 1 year ago
Great video Sal. Guys, see this: watch?v=cW7BvabYnn8
smicha7 1 year ago
Space is utterly fascinating. This is probably one of my favourite playlists you've made, Sal.
iGary 1 year ago
Have been waiting for this topic xD
eljpayne 1 year ago 3
im digging this new playlist your making
ive said it before and ill say it again
you are god
Rivoluzzjoni 1 year ago
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cristianfcao 1 year ago
I don't see how three solar masses, even compressed down to a point called a singularity, has the ability to swallow light.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567
Well, if you consider that light is at least partly a particle, it makes perfect sense that with strong enough gravity, you could pull particles of light toward or away from something.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
@rafaravioli 3 solar masses only make for that much gravitational pull, density does not affect the amount of gravitational pull, only the localization of the pull.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567
Mass, however, does increase gravitational pull. And three solar masses combined is a huge amount of mass, regardless of its density.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
@rafaravioli Just outside the event horizon, the black hole in my example has the same gravitational pull as 3 solar masses.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567
the only black hole that sounds reasonable is the one up my ass.
monkeydanny123 1 year ago
@Mal1234567
That's wrong. At this close distances the shape of the mass has to be taken into account. While at long range a 3 solar masses star and a 3 solar masses black hole have the same "pull", this is not true up close. A star is huge compared to a black hole, so there's always a "far" side of the star, which means part of the matter (and thereby mass) is much farther away. As gravitational pull decreases with the square of the distance, this makes a huge difference!
superdau 1 year ago
@superdau I see what you're saying, although for Newton the center of the mass is considered the center of attraction. Maybe that's why Newton was wrong?
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567
Too, late. Now there's already a video on it ;-)
superdau 1 year ago
@rafaravioli Yes, with strong enough gravity, but 3 solar masses does not possess that much gravitational attraction.
Mal1234567 1 year ago
oh my he said quantum...which i have no understanding..maybe explain it in another video?
xcelpast 1 year ago
so basically based on the singularity thing, it means even the laws of physics will not work in black holes if that makes sense
MaNeSh15 1 year ago
Into the abyss of the unimaginable gravity, warping time and space. Into blackness. Into nothing.
Black holes.
JayDee98765 1 year ago
One request:
QUASARS QUASARS QUASARS QUASARS QUASARS.
Thanks!!!
bacamd 1 year ago
@bacamd quasars are a supermassive blackhole "feeding" on ISM prior to galaxy formation.
odaymustdie 1 year ago
I can't wait for the quasar vid!
Menegoth 1 year ago
Best playlist evar.
FreemanFighter94 1 year ago
Amazing O__O
lonnyleogcalex94lol 1 year ago
what happens when a black hole meets a black hole?
Haradin32 1 year ago
@Haradin32, as I understand it, they will orbit each other in an ever decreasing spiral until they collide and form a single black hole with the combined mass of them both.
theinquisitor 1 year ago
@theinquisitor The mass will be less than the combined two masses. E=mc2
odaymustdie 1 year ago
@Haradin32
They typically either orbit each other (like a binary star system), or they combine into a black hole with a mass equal to the sum of the previous two masses, emitting huge gamma burst all the way.
UniversumExNihilo 1 year ago
@UniversumExNihilo that second bit sounds quite dangerous! I hope that never happens near earth.
Haradin32 1 year ago
@Haradin32 they have sex and make 3 baby black holes.
51674 1 year ago
@Haradin32 becomes a super massive black hole or they do the black hole waltz (I think)
silencedfable 1 year ago
I never tire listing people talk about black holes
Zappyguy111 1 year ago
@Zappyguy111 Eh, super-gravity. . . not very interesting to me. Although I would listen to Sal explain how paint dries on the wall.
TheScottKirk 1 year ago 2
@TheScottKirk
You probably work with black holes everyday. Would that be a correct assumption?
Zappyguy111 1 year ago
@Zappyguy111 Just because I think the subject itself is somewhat boring, doesn't mean that you have to try to imply anything.
TheScottKirk 1 year ago
@TheScottKirk
Now implying is too strong of a word to what I was suggesting.
It was a mere assumption. By the way, if this bores you why are you watching it?
Zappyguy111 1 year ago
@Zappyguy111 I was watching the cosmological playlist on Sal's channel. I was waiting for quasars at the time (which I found out wasn't uploaded until recently) and this came up.
Now I've seen the quasar video and I'm happy.
TheScottKirk 1 year ago
@Zappyguy111 How about people 1000 years ago predicted blackholes, would you believe that?
odaymustdie 1 year ago
@odaymustdie
With a grain of salt
Zappyguy111 1 year ago
@odaymustdie
Well to say predict, means that they knew almost for certain. Theorise I think would be a more accurate term.
Zappyguy111 1 year ago
how can something with 3-4 times the mass of the sun end up with infinite mass?
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 Infinite density...it has finite mass.....
floopsie666 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 there's no such thing as infinite mass. mass is always finite because it cannot be created nor destroyed.
kaczurda 1 year ago
@kaczurda Mass can be destroyed - rather, converted into energy. E = MC^2 is the relationship between energy and mass. Although mass can be destroyed, it is conserved, simply through another mean (in this case, energy).
Cepacol2 1 year ago
@kaczurda 3:54 "infinite mass density."
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 Oh. This is because a black hole has an extremely large mass and zero volume. Density = mass/volume, which is undefined, therefore infinite. Also, since Newton's Law states that the force of gravity between 2 masses is G(Mm)/r^2, when you set the radius = zero, the result is undefined (cannot divide by zero). This is why black holes have infinite curvature in the space-time continuum. As Khan mentioned, this is the singularity. Known math equations break down at the singularity.
kaczurda 1 year ago
@kaczurda you can't use newtonian mechanics when you study black holes, you have to use general relativity. the problem arises because the metric assumes a form similar to that of newton's where you end up dividing by zero.
weweallthewayhome 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 because it is infinitly small?
ultimatebas 1 year ago
@ultimatebas Yes, it is infinitely small because it has infinite density. But how does infinite mass come into this?
Mal1234567 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 He says "infinite mass density" meaning that the density of the mass is infinite. The mass itself is unknown, because it is unknown what exactly happens to anything which is sucked into the black hole. The mass could be infinite theoretically.
bacamd 1 year ago
@bacamd Using the formula for gravitational energy: Fg= G*(m1*m2)/r^2 if the black hole is in orbit with another object of known mass one could approximate a mass for the black hole. since mass is directly related to gravitational pull that seems pretty accurate
ThatGuyTheyareAfter 1 year ago
@bacamd the mass isn't infinite. All blackholes would be one size if this were the case and/or the blackhole would consume the entire universe. however there are blackholes of varying sizes which indicates that the mass is finite (i would think this is obvious). I also recently read somewhere that scientists figured out that the volume isn't at one single point, rather just a very, very tiny area.
blueshift314 1 year ago
@blueshift314 that scientist was later proven wrong, general relativity requires it to be a singularity (no volume)
weweallthewayhome 1 year ago
@Mal1234567 The gravitational pressure will force the neutrons to degenerate (essentially, just combine into a single point) at which point a black hole will form, which has an infinite mass density, meaning that the density of its mass is infinite, which is possible because the singularity is infinitely small.
bacamd 1 year ago