Mortgage Strike secret revolt revealed SEIU Lerner FULL Uncut Version

[ArtWeClever]

So, yeah OWS has just talked about starting mortgage strikes and "occupying homes"..... here it is.

[a2zhandi]

Even though it was all you greedy sheep that took the bait and spoiled yourselves rotten, They (the bankers & wallstreat) MUST be held accountable for fraud. And probably a host of other charges.

Baaaahhhh

[jujubmuse]

I remember this when it came out, and this whole OWS thing is no surprise to me because of this. I was hoping that it wouldn't come to be, but these 1960s progressives are sure determined to "eat the rich," and students are mindlessly following because it's "cool" to say "down with the man" and "f* the police."

Sadly, it isn't entirely corporations fault that we have a depression. Our GOVERNMENT isn't doing anything to fix the debt and made it worse by promoting companies to outsource.

[gostlbirds11in11]

3/22/11 is the date of the program that aired portions of this video according to GB on the 10/24/11 program. There is a video with the title "Glenn Beck with stephen Lerner audio " that does not specify the date of airing, but features this recording.

[LeftyontheRight]

#OccupyWallstreet was announced FIRST here in this meeting - Check the 10:00 minute mark and PAY ATTENTION - This is not grassroots it is Marxism/Socialism/Communism trying to tear down America

[Ultranothing]

Is this the video that Glenn Beck said tonight was "scrubbed" from the internet and that they couldn't find?

[LeftyontheRight]

@Ultranothing I'm not sure - but I'm downloading it now to keep just in case.

[Ultranothing]

@LeftyontheRight No, it's not the one. I just spoke with someone at Mercury, and I'm trying to get an airdate for the FOX NEWS Glenn Beck show that featured the video.

If you know the air date of the GB show that aired the video I can most likely find it.

[LeftyontheRight]

@Ultranothing I know of someone here on YT who uploaded each episode of GB fox show over the tear (that's how I watched it) he has a few different account - CaptainUSA, I'm sure he has it somewhere if you can find out the date

[rebth1st]

This is evil on display. These people are truly evil because they have no qualms destroying peoples' lives for their own agenda. Totally evil!

[westchesterny]

what country are the speakers really from? they seem to know nothing at all about American Oral Tradition, as its known by generational Americans. To them, the idea that bankers make money on interest seems very novel, like they just learned this or something, lol. Sounds like a lower-middle-class (socializing class) meeting (like school teachers, low level civil "servants," etc.) It's a weird social class, very split in its perceptions, often also very new to the country, seems like.

[estilfields]

I agree that we need to better educate Americans on how interest is charged and maybe institute some laws to make the lenders liable for smoke and mirror tactics they use in duping folks into buying things they cant afford. To suggest that we should not pay our loans in hopes to collaps our economy is just flat out wrong.

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[joe035]

When will we have seen enough, to finally get rid of all these socialist assholes hiding behind the liberal progressive democrat banners? Anyone who calls this guy friend is a traitor to the country & should not be in public office.

[BenjaminBixby]

Does anyone else feel like the world as we've known it is beyond repair? If so, why are we carrying on like this is simply another trough?

[markt11c]

en mass refuse to honor their contractual obligations. I pay my bills, and I am proud of that fact, I have had a job my whole life since I was 10 and got a paper route, and started stringing fences farm to farm when I was 14. There is no such thing as a free lunch, anyone who depends on that will eventually be disappointed and have nothing, it may not be tomorrow but will happen. But basic intelligence says if you are not entirely self reliant, don't break the system that feeds you.

[TheJoozie]

@markt11c exactly, honor current obligations but we have to end future obligations. The architects of shit like this are aware of the consequences but the supporters have no idea. They see it as getting a free lunch, free house... This guy KNOWS that if JP Morgan/Chase is shut down over half of all retail and banking goes down with it. It's thuggary. They got the home they wanted and now don't LIKE the terms? Take your business elsewhere then!

[markt11c]

and production, all this as more and more people don't have jobs. Do you think that sticking it to the man! doesn't have actual physical consequences? The likely and only solution to this plan is for government to step in and provide for those who have lost their money and their jobs, increasing our debt astoundingly, until other countries will no longer loan us money as it is becoming very apparent that they will never see their investment returned. America in shambles if people decide to

[markt11c]

Here is the basic summation of what would happen if what he wants does come about. The bond and stock markets will both crash as banks have become insolvent, causing all your parents 401k retirement plans to basically become worth a fraction of what they have paid in, which will also increase unemployment dramatically as most companies are diversified with venture investments from their revenues. This will cause oil prices to also skyrocket, increasing the cost of food, transportation,

[mphello]

And I fully support forcing all the pro-nuclear and anti-global-warming deniers and all the religious nuts who get a free-ride with their tax-free churches

and all the anti-vegetarians into prison, so as to guard our freedoms and the freedoms of those who deserve freedom because they fight for it: students, environmentalists, animal rights activists, homeless, smaller political parties.

[mphello]

SEIU is a patriotic American organization. Anyone who threatens them is guilty of treason and could face life in prison for committing anti-American acts and interfering with organizations' political work.

[mphello]

This guy is not a Marxist, but he should be. You religious nuts who believe in bullshit non-existent crap like "god", while denying proven facts like anthropogenic global warming (AGW) and evolution, are the biggest government-lovers in the world and haters of free speech. Prove me wrong. Support equal airtime and political power in the USA for prisoners, Marxists, Communists, Greens, and Libertarians.

[mphello]

And I look forward to killing and blowing up and throwing into prison for life any terrorist cop or FBI agent or politician or pundit who dare lays a finger on Stephen Lerner for doing HIS legal economic activity - the SAME legal activity that bankers and corporations use to steal trillions of dollars from tax payers.

There's no such thing as economic terrorism. Terrorism can only be physical force. If not, then ALL CEOs and Republicrats are terrorists.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello you sound like a domestic terrorist just like Lerner. Only he's saying boycot a payment while you're saying kill someone. What a fucking loser you are. Whining bitch that doesn't want to make good on his own obligations. I hope he SUCCEEDS! I've been planning for something like this for a long time. I'm SET. I'll be driving past you as you're dying on the street because you can't pull cash from the ATM. good luck bitch.

[mphello]

Go, Stephen Lerner ! You are a hero!

If the fuckhead rightwing big-government-loving corporate-welfare loving extremists don't want heroes like Stephen Lerner to use free-market capitalism to gain wealth and pay workers and unions and teachers what they deserve, then they've got ZERO right to complain if deadly military violent force is used.

[markt11c]

This man is a very corrupting influence and I look forward to when he is prosecuted for economic terrorism by the department of justice. He is just as great a threat to our nation, if not greater than a terrorist with a bomb.

[mphello]

@markt11c And I can hardly wait to have the Justice Department throw you into prison for life, torturing you, and finally executing you, for interfering and threatening a US citizen.

But, all the banks and conservatives preach endlessly against big government.

So, that means they must oppose putting ANYone into prison for ANY reason.

[markt11c]

@mphello hmmm, a very tolerant and progressive viewpoint, so refreshing. I do advocate a small government, not no government. Thats the same as saying liberals want big government so government is supposed to control your entire life, what job you get, who you marry, but no, thats not the case. I think you are confusing conservitives with anarchists, even libertarians agree that there should be a government, good luck in college!

[mphello]

@markt11c And you're wanting to put Lerner into prison is a very "tolerant and progressive viewpoint".

Generalities and dogma like "socialism doesn't work" but "capitalism has its flaws but is the best" are worthless bullshit. You have to specify which laws you want. Since you libertarian conservatives want complete anarchy, to do whatever people want, iff it benefits the most wealthy and least working, but you want big government to force laws against the poor and unions and animals, your..

[mphello]

@markt11c .. your philosophies are worthless excrement and bullshit when it comes down to the practical facts.

Anyone who wants to force Lerner and unions into prison - when he has the same right to do exactly what billion-dollar CEOs and banksters do - does so because they want totalitarian fascist control of other people's lives.

There is no difference between a terrorist and a soldier or a cop. All use force.

But Lerner doesn't. So he's not a terrorist.

[marniespeaks]

go Steven!

[SuperDachshund]

@marniespeaks That's right!

Go Steven. . .straight to hell!

[marniespeaks]

@SuperDachshund

nope, and I'm going to help him

[HailstormPhoenix]

The people who are afraid of the elitists going down are those who want to capatilize through unjust, greedy, harmful, manipulative, and criminal means. Keeping people from from being homeless and making sure they have clean water and healthy food is called HUMANE concern...get some, k?

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix you know... I've been thinking about your comment for a long time. keeping people from being homeless... if you're not listening, that's okay but lerner wants a boycott for political reasons. You are aware of the terms and conditions when you sign a mortgage or a student loan. If it's "unjust, greedy, harmful, manipulative or criminal" there would be consequences. Either the market wouldn't tolerate it or if it's CRIMINAL the govt would prosecute it.

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix If YOU want to keep people from being homeless or make sure they have water and healthy food, PROVIDE IT. Lerner makes enough $ that he could single handedly support a villiage in some 3rd world country but he doesn't do it. What he wants to do is collapse the system. It's cloward and piven tactics and very easy to understand. This system may be unfavorable to SOME but the consequences of something like this will touch EVERYONE.

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix supporters of this either have NO idea the impact it would have if successful OR they don't care that ALL of those people with EFT cards (anyone getting a check from the govt) will be unable to get what they need. The number 1 processor of those transactions in the country is directly linked to Chase. Chase goes down, terminals go down. Terminals go down, merchants quit taking those cards. If you have any compassion at all for "needy" you'd get past your own nose.

[HailstormPhoenix]

@TheJoozie Seriously? You're afraid you can't buy Captain Crinch with your food stamp card so you'd rather the corruption stay in play? Hmm. 

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix one out of seven people in this country are on food stamps and fortunately, I"m not one of them. However, I DO have a debit card that I use when I do my shopping and that would not function at more than 1/2 the retailers in this country. Think about how many times you swiped a card in the last month to buy something or pull cash out. Chase, Morgan, WAMU, Wells Fargo,Bank One, Farmers Saving and Trust, Citibank... these are just a FEW of the banks that will stop functioning.

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix so while you're rubbing your hands together like Montgomery Burns thinking of how you're going to see the collapse of the "rich" and enjoy watching their "ability to be rich" get interfered with, why don't you come up with a PLAN to feed these people that will be rioting in the streets when they don't have milk for their kids. It's always nice to say "screw the man" but do us a favor and at least TRY to think past the nose on your face.

[keggs1961]

@TheJoozie Let's start with what the Federal Government should be doing. Even the playing field by ending free trade, Term limits on all elected officials, And most of all, end the Federal Reserve and the stranglehold they have over our economy. End usury once and for all, create a simple tax code...flat tax. Put massive restrictions on Wall Street and close the revolving door that leads directly to the White house...and the list goes on...

[TheJoozie]

@keggs1961 sure! that would be nice! but you don't get to sign a contract with someone/thing and then just walk away because you FEEL like it. Massive restrictions on wall street is ALSO unconstitutional. You can't have one and not the other. Steve Lerner would like to "progress" past our constitution. And equal playing field never makes an equal outcome. It can't. Everyone in this country starts out equal. what you DO with it is where it goes south.

[TheJoozie]

@HailstormPhoenix I'm set for a long period of time for either a natural disaster or an economic one. Talk about buying captain crunch with food stamps? LOL you'll be standing in a govt cheese line and in case you don't know it, THERE'S NO CHEESE. This banking problem is a problem but it's being held together by willpower and myth. Trust me, if it all fell down you'd be begging for the "agents" to come to give you a pill and reinsert you into the matrix so you can have your steak again.

[dickypot]

You salute this shithead Marxist? What in the hell goes on inside your head?

Time for you to wake up. In just about every revolution, it's the far right fascists who win.

So pray to you secular god for a revolution. Go ahead. I dare you. You will reap what you sow. That's a given.

[nevaslept]

The moment bush gave taxpayer funds to the banks and Obama gave billions more to the auto industry this economy became socialized. I salute anyone willing to throw a wrench in it regardless of lunaticy or motivation. It needs to fail so it can be rebuilt the way it was intended. Capitalism died in 2008 and this hybrid economy won't last.

[Kontaktt]

"the banks... because they get money from the federal government for free... You know the banks get money from the government for free"...

This is not true... the governments borrow money from the private banks with interest!!!

This may be a slip of the tongue... but if he believes this he's building a ship from the top down on choppy waters!!!.... I like his ideas thought!!!

[therotaryrocket]

@Kontaktt wait, so your saying "the governments borrow money from the private banks with interest!!!" but he's saying that the banks get money from the government for free, isn't that backwards? so the gov't gives interest free to the banks, but the banks charge interest when giving it back to the gov't? if so, that's fucked up.

[Kontaktt]

@therotaryrocket Thanks for your concern. Yes.. the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank. The government borrowers money from that bank at interest. Google "The Money Masters"

Peace!!!

[axe9]

Stephen Lerner scares the crap out of me... Also scary is that there is a segment of the population so grotesquely ignorant of financial and economic principals that they would support this lunatic's plans.

[Weasler455]

This jerk smokes too much weed. He's living in a fantasy world. No wonder the SEIU fired him. Even THEY see what a banana he is.

What a fucking loser.



[joe035]

@Weasler455 It took them HOW LONG to realize this?? They are part of the problem, nobody capable of thinking this kind of thing up & speak about it openly would ever last as long or be promoted as far up in SEIU if they all didn't think like him!!!

[Weasler455]

This will not work. Who's going to join this 'protest'? Niggers who don't like paying mortgages and students who want to delay paying student loans. Great. But they don't give a shit about credit ratings anyway. But guess who the banks know will be LEAST likely to pay their debts to begin with? Niggers who don't like paying mortgages and students who want to delay paying student loans. Nice conservative REAL Americans would NEVER want to risk a bad credit rating for your dumb protest.

[captainden]

SEIU is a TERRORIST organization.

[mphello]

@captainden The Tea Party is a terrorist organization. Nobody's going to stop me or anybody from patriotically joining the SEIU. It's our political right.

[aquawoelfly]

@klg1956 keep drinking the union koolaid im sure you will be happy when we are all communists with no freeom to choose which job we have much less our wage.

[TheJoozie]

this guy needs to be arrested. JP Morgan Chase needs to sue this guy and the union. And... he also needs to have his ass kicked. Notice how he has these "ideas" it's not like what he's saying is how it all really happened. We FORCED the banks to lend to people that had NO BUSINESS getting a home loan in the first place. what a scum bag. but it's all about redistributing wealth and power... (so he can get more of both)

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And YOU have no business forcing this guy or the SEIU or anyone who supports this guy for their free speech rights into prison. And there' nothing you or anyone can do about it, because he has not broken the law. He is using the same free-market rules that all the anti-union pro-corporate fanatics shove down the throats of the people through the conservative corporate-owned media. Difference is: Lerner uses those rules for a GOOD cause. To help those who deserve it.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello free speech MEANS we are able to speak out against our govt without prosecution. It does NOT mean that you are allowed to incite violence or harm on anyone. "lerner uses those rules for a GOOD cause" so the means justify the ends? Great, but you have no idea what kind of ends this will result in. HE knows what the result will be and trust me, he'll come out just fine but you won't. 

[mphello]

@TheJoozie "It does NOT mean that you are allowed to incite violence or harm on anyone."

Bullshit. Name any law that forbids inciting violence.

Then anyone who supported war in Iraq incites violence and breaks the law.

Anyone who eats meat and advocates eating meat breaks the law.

All the gun nuts with their "over my dead body" are breaking the law.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello LMFAO you're a kid, aren't you? advocating eating meat is breaking the law? okay veggie burger. name any law that forbids inciting violence. Do you really want me to go there? First, I said incite violence or harm on anyone. But since you can't look something up for yourself, allow me! We have mens rea and actus reas. Start there. And I know a lot of people that have said "over my dead body" that don't own a gun. You're reaching for shit that isn't there.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello and each jurisdiction has different incitement laws. I can name dozens of them (so could you if you weren't so lazy). And I guess you didn't look up the definition of economic terrorism because what you are bitching about doesn't fall into it. If you bought a house that you couldn't afford, I don't feel sorry for you. All mortgage contracts fully disclose what the terms are. The bubble popped but that doesn't absond you from your agreement.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello If you got a loan for an education that didn't pan out and give you the job you wanted, I don't feel sorry for you. You pay for the education and are not any less educated than if you had gotten the job. And enough with your horseshit about the rich. I'm sorry that you never found it within yourself to do anything other than clock in. 85% of millionaires are FIRST GENERATION. Not born with it, they worked for it. Who's crying NOW?

[mphello]

@mphello And Steven Lerner isn't forcing ANYbody to do ANYTHING. He is a patriotic American hero.

Now, of course, subhuman anti-American unpatriotic scum who don't understand that scientific fact

deserve to be tortured, killed, or imprisoned for life, or kicked out of the country.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello "scientific fact"???????? LMFAO and look at who's NOW bitching about who should be TORTURED, KILLED, OR IMPRISONED FOR LIFE???? REALLY???? so the same standards do not apply to everyone in the country? Just for people that YOU choose? fuck you. Loser vegan, green party, communist, lazy shit bag. I hope your welfare gets lost.

[TheJoozie]

so ... this guy says 2 wrongs make a right. No one has ever taught me that. So he's wanting people that are ABLE to pay their mortgages to BREAK their contracts and NOT do what they agreed to ... There is no honor in that. There is no order in that. That is stealing.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Hypocritically, those who criticizes Lerner, who has the courage to stand and fight against corrupt theft of gov't by bankers, never attack actual terrorist organization, such as the bullshit "tea party", for interfering with the laws and activities of opponents. Lerner's playing by the same rules as anyone else. But, because he uses it to help students and unions and teachers instead of those already being given billion-dollar bonuses for doing nothing, crybabies ridicule him.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello wow. Ok. Lerner is thinking past the nose on his face, unlike you.  His intentions are to collapse a system that our entire nation runs on. Do you have any idea what that will cause? Do you like to go to the bank and pull your paycheck out for things you need? Like groceries? Like to make your car payment? Like to put gas in your car? All of these things will come to a complete stop. The end result will be one of 2 things: 1) we will have ANOHTER bailout which will bankrupt us entirely

[TheJoozie]

@mphello 2) we will have NO banking system at all which will result in massive civil unrest. That unrest will include looting, murder, death by starvation. Do you have a minimum of 1 year of storage for survival? There is no contingency plan for a total banking collapse/govt collapse. He's not suggesting that people that can't pay their mortgages don't (that already happens), he's suggesting that everyone COLLAPSE the system. Now smarty, what will replace it? What will happen?

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And putting people into prison is violence and force. So, your threats to imprison or lock up Stephen Lerner and the SEIU is violence and makes THEIR survival hard.

You can't defend capitalism and then say that I or Lerner "owe" you a fucking thing: not even your life. You and your kind SHOULD collapse and SHOULD have no food, water, land, or property, because YOU and the anti-communists do the same to me and everyone else.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello how is the tea party interfering with laws and activites of opponents in any way that SEIU doesn't? looks like you're just a big of a crybaby as you bitch about. And there's no "economic terrorism"? really? The term is used in a way more strictly defined to indicate an attempt at economic destabilization by a group. the Center for Security Policy of Geneva has a definition for it and this fits. don't pay your bills. The rest of us WILL and I'll buy your house for cheap. : D

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And how is Lerner and the SEIU inciting "violence"? They support the use of the same tactics the banks and corporations use.

You can't demand freedom and then have the hypocritical nerve to condemn those who fight for it, and then start making arbitrary exceptions to free speech "economic terrorism" "violence" bullshit just because you don't like THAT person's personal agenda.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I never said SEIU is inciting violence. They are promoting the harm of individuals AND businesses with this promotion of an economic shut down. I love that someone is "standing up for" the socialists! LOL FREEDOM isn't not paying your bills and continuing to have what you're supposed to be paying FOR. That freedom comes when you outright own something. So what you want is for a boycot on loans which is going to PUNISH those that are following through with their obligations.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello You think it's a good idea to BOYCOT paying something even when you CAN pay it because it's going to what? help the FEW that shouldn't have taken a loan in the first place? I can tell how young and brainwashed you are because you immediately jump onto the banks without even CONSIDERING that the govt created the sub prime problem in the first place by TRYING to "help" the poor own a home. And stand up for unions? You're a bittter little boy. I feel sorry for you.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And you're just a fucking crybaby just because - FOR ONCE - somebody stands up for the unions and poor and students and socialists and supports aggressive action on THEIR behalf, instead of the lazy kleptocrat rich.

BTW: I fully support blowing the brains out and bombing all Republicans and Democrats.

I cheer whenever they die. Tough shit. There is nothing you can do about that.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello maybe your problem is that you are in "western sahara". eat sand pie and fuck yourself.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Yeah - you're so full of shit. You dumbfuck, to fall for it that I actually live in Western Sahara!

You're just another anti-American freedom-hating coward. Go live with your lovers, the rightwing Muslim conservatards, who love outlawing free speech as much as you do. They go fucking nuts and murder UN officials just because some guy in FL burns their stupid koran. But, those who commit REAL crimes - such as poisoning water suppies by gas fractionating and JP Morgan -

[mphello]

@mphello .. those who SHOULD and DESERVE to be killed and tortured - go unpunished.

But, obviously, conservaturds NEVER care about the actual consequences of their actions,

don't care about the magnitudes of their or of the crimes of their financial partners.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello are you a complete imbicile? quotation marks indicate sarcasm. Don't presume to know anything about me or what I believe. My comment of 2 wrongs don't make a right brought the "activist" out of you. Anti American? LMFAO I think people SHOULD be able to say what they want to say but PROGRESSIVES have made that damned near impossible. And if they choose to HAVE these laws, they should apply to their beloved union cock suckers as well.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello And you're sadly mistaken. Conservatives, REAL conservatives stood up AGAINST the bail outs and would love nothing more than for our constitution to be RESTORED. ANTI American assholes don't believe our constitution is valid and want to move PAST it and create a new "open society". I hope this fuckwad succeeds. I'll be okay. I'm prepared for the collapse of our dollar. ARE YOU? nah.. you're in your basement crying about how life isn't FAIR. pay your bills and STFU.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello or... forclose and I'll be there with 20 cents on the dollar to pick up where you left off!  This bullshit boycot isn't going to happen. He can't say this out in the open because it WILL get him sued at the very least. I can't wait to buy another house.... hopefully it's yours... or your mom's.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Frivolous lawsuits clogging up courts. Typical of conservatives, anti-unionists, anti-academics.

Stephen Lerner's boycott WILL succeed, and you and your crony corporate bank buddies will be out cold on your asses in the gutter earning 10 cents for blowjobs with Amy Winehouse!

[TheJoozie]

@mphello LMFAO you're a moron. We'll see if it SUCKceeds. Thanks for thinking you know who my "buddies" are. FYI I'm set. I won't be on any corner with your girlfriend. Frivolous lawsuits like TORT REFORM that democrats didn't want? Let's REALLY take a look at who clogs up the legal system... and who the trial attorney lobby spends their money on politically! DEMOCRATS. LIBERALS. I own several properties, pay what little I have left to pay and will not be anywhere but warm and cozy. : P

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Stop pretending that you know anything about history, politics, or law.

Did you know that in the Soviet Union, there was no distinction between between "civil" vs "criminal" law?

That just goes to show you know-nothing god-delusional conservaturds that this imaginary distinction between civil vs criminal in law is pure fictional bullshit. That's just ONE of MANY ex.

And who votes for the Patriot Act that clogs up prison? DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS. i.e. CONSERVATIVES. Not Greens

[TheJoozie]

@mphello there IS a distinction between civil and criminal law here. However, a person can be found guilty on both ends. A crime doesn't have to be one OR the other. You can bitch all you want. It's not going to change the fact that Lerner is now being investigated because of this. If HE has any part in something like this happening, it will cause MAJOR disruption in EVERYTHING in this country. But again, you can't see past your own nose.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello you also have a very skewed and misinformed definition of a conservative. Libertarians are very conservative. Do as YOU like and YOU are responsible for YOURSELF. That is a true conservative. And fuck yourself twice. You and I have had maybe 10 texts. You don't know WHO I do or don't want to own a gun. I don't give a flying FUCK who owns a gun as long as they are not classified as insane or a felon.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I don't need to "pretend" to know history, I know American history well... my degree says I MASTERED it. And christians and muslims are polar opposites of each other but a godless piece of shit wouldn't be able to recognize that. As for the law, I didn't go to law school, nor do I need to in order to read a law and understand it or it's applications. I agree! Pot SHOULD be legal. The reasons it was made illegal were silly and unfounded but that was the day and age. change it!

[TheJoozie]

@mphello but other than that.. you need to BACK THE FUCK OFF. You took 2 texts of mine that were very civil and decided to put a target on me without knowing shit about me. I haven't made any threats toward anyone (as you said I have or as YOU have done). I stated an opinion in the beginning and NOW I am stating fact. A boycot of mortgages would cause major unrest and would do more harm than good. If you want someone to get their house for free, pay for it yourself. Aside from that,

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I don't give a shit what the former soviet union did with their laws and I'm pretty sure that NO ONE else in this country gives a shit either. We are in the USA. Do something productive with yourself and TRY to do it non violently. You sound like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum. wah wah wah! I can't afford! wah wah wah! Too fucking bad. Invent something, open a business! DO something and then do whatEVER you want with YOUR money. Pay for someone to keep their house if you CARE.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie So you just prove that you don't give a fucking shit about the law.

So, don't you dare take away any freedom or property that SEIU or Stephen Lerner earned,

because unlike banksters and capitalists who do no work and contribute nothing to society, Lerner and union EARN every single dollar and improved quality of life that they attain.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello dude, you're delusional. I can tell you're godless first of all... but that's another story. So Lerner WORKED? Doing what? negotiating? is that any different than someone closing a real estate deal? or someone managing a hedge fund? or anyone selling something for a living? he's doing all of that. But for him it's work... you think anyone capitalist has never improved the quality of life? Why don't you move to a country that has no capitalism and see some QUALITY living.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Who keeps marijuana illegal, even though it's less harm than guns, taking away the rights and freedoms of MILLIONS? CONSERVATIVES!  DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS!

Not the Communist Party. Not the Socialists. Not the Greens, Not even anarchists or Libertarians.

(and I've got NOTHING against radical and animal rights people owning and using guns; YOU'RE the inconsistent gun nut, favoring guns only for freeloading conservative hunters and christo-muslims.)

[TheJoozie]

@mphello oh yeah, and I'm so ANTI academic... I have 2 masters, not to mention my under graduate studies. I bartended and telemarketed to pay for MY education. Never ONE grant or loan. This is why I'm not CRYING about someone not being able to PAY for their student loans. I struggled early on, made decisions (some good, some poor), and now don't worry about anything. But you hate people like me because YOU keep living in your own shithole of a head.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie You're confusing your 2 "masters" with 2 masturbations. And, if you actually DO have 2 master degrees, then that school must have been so dumb that they couldn't see you blatantly cheat to get them.

What did you do? Photocopy the tabloids at the supermarket and call that your thesis?

[TheJoozie]

@mphello right, because anyone with an education MUST think that Lerner is a "good man"? Anyone with an education MUST think communism or socialism or GREEEEEEN party is a good idea?  And we're down to this; a liberal lunatic insulting someone. Typical. I'm sorry you disagree with me in such a vile way. I'm sorry that someone that probably preaches peace and love is so violent. Have a nice life. I hope you find a way to do well FOR YOURSELF.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Too bad there is nothing you can do about it, because I am still going to help out and support and give charity to and vote for Communists and Socialists in the USA. The only BAD thing about them is their stupid anti-war stance: just like YOURS. So YOU should LOVE the Communist and Socialist parties, since you believe in this fantasy non-violence-peace-at-any-cost shit. Communists SHOULD use deadly force to destroy big corporations and CEOs making more than their workers.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello you're a quirky little piece of shit, aren't you? Why don't you just ASK what I believe or think rather than making some stupid comment like 'fantasy non-violence-peace-at-any-cost shit". I've yet to see a communist country that hasn't been imperialist and extremely violent. Deadly force against people making MORE than the worker? come the fuck on. You're an idiot that has no aspirations of anything other than clocking in and out. Can't get rich doing that.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello And yes, I make more money than people that work for me but that is because I put myself on the line to make my business succeed and NEVER took one employee on until I had reached that success. I'm a full blown capitalist that has "workers" that make no less than 50k a year and work no more than 30 hours a week. I bet you'd LOVE to have it so cush. The bright side is they get paid on their PRODUCTION rather than their time spent on facebook.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I don't care who you support. You are free to do so BECAUSE we're not a communist country. You sound very young by your rantings. I've been all over the world and can tell you that more people risk their lives to get away from communism and socialism than any other kind of political system. Being responsible for ones OWN life is something that people all over the planet flock here to be able to do. If you don't like it, there are DOZENS of countries that would be happy to have you.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I'm not anti war, never claimed to be. When I said you should do something non violently I said it because you are a rogue wierdo that will probably end up killing a bunch of children in a rant that you can't control. You're HOPING for some violent uprising in our population and that the communists/socialists will lead the way. It won't happen. You COULD do something productive with your life like inventing something that will actually help someone but ...

[TheJoozie]

@mphello why would you do THAT when you can just steal from one and take for yourself! You're a lazy fuck that somehow has come to believe that anyone that has achieved any measure of success did it dishonestly or on the back of someone else. Take a look in the mirror. You're just riding on some other loser's coat tails with your ranting. You (like most liberals) are obsessed with injecting sexual inuendo and baseless insults. I'm not worried about you. Piss ant.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie I put more work in 5 minutes masturbating to YouTube hot women videos than you have in your life.

FYI: for the past month, I've toiled in my garden uprooting non-edible trees and shrubs in preparation for growing my own food, as hyperinflation and depleting oil set in.

Can't way to see you crash and burn, asshole!

We vegans are tough. You poor baby meat-eaters will wither and die because you won't get your fried chicken and hamburgers. Boo hoo!

[tranceemerson]

@mphello Rabbit. Deer. all available in the wilderness. and we're not too pansy to kill them ourselves you pussy.

[mphello]

@tranceemerson So, you admit you take from others (deer, rabbit) because you are too lazy to feed yourselves, right?

Killing non-humans for food is absolutely no different morally than humans killing or taking from each other to gain a fairer piece of life on earth.

[tranceemerson]

@mphello don't flatter yourself, I give you no admition, I tell it to you like it is. Lions take the lives of Gazelles for their gain, and who is more deserving than the King of Beasts? And who are you? The King of Plants?

You like to kill plants, you murderous fiend.... Pllleeasee...

[TheJoozie]

@mphello I'm glad that you're working on your garden! Sadly, I don't fall into your bizzare obsession with sex. Why don't you just ASK before making assumptions? You may be tough, but you're not very smart. I'm a woman, wife, mother, business owner. Very straight. I can take it or leave it on fried chicken or burgers. Why don't you try to have an intelligent conversation?

[mphello]

@TheJoozie So you're a careless thoughtless fucking breeder, overpopulating the world?

Clearly, you've never done a hard day of work in your life if you've got the luxury to overpopulate

and then to demand big government come to your rescue to arrest and imprison people (like Lerner, SEIU) who exert any sort of political authority that you don't like, that reduces YOUR power a little.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello WWWHHHHHHHAAAAAAT? I've got ONE child and ONE on the way and that is IT for me. OVERPOPULATING? I'm replacing myself and my husband, if it's ANY of your mouth breathing business. I've worked my ass off and built a great business. I make more money in a month than you do in a year without even having to get out of bed, if I choose and that came from HARD work, a lot of time away from home and postponing the family that I am now fostering.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello because I'm a mother I'm overpopulating? what the fuck is YOUR mother's excuse? lazy fucking breeder too? what a scum bag you are. And I've made NO demands. That's the job of the union! What I suggest though is that someone that is planning and plotting economic terrorism should be investigated and in my OPINION he should be arrested if found to be true, if the law says so. For you to think that all of these people violating their CONTRACTS is legal, you're sadly mistaken. pathetic.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello During one of my stints in college 2 of my professors were green party people. I had a combo class with them (they were married) and though I got nothing, NOTHING but perfect marks on everything that I did, one failed me and the other gave me a D. They were investigated and reprimanded for their politics and agenda getting in the way (or trying to) of someone's education, degree and possibly career. They preached "fairness" and "living wage" yet were found to treat people UNFAIRLY. LOL

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Obviously you're a lousy student who probably was flunked for cheating.

Well, *I* had to put up with an asshole rightwing pro-nuclear gun-nut. I told him REPEATEDLY in class that I supported his right to have guns, but that there were far more important things in the world (namely, USING guns to free prisoners rather than to kill innocent animals). I managed to earn an 'A'.

And, a supposed "liberal" teacher in microbiology gave me my one and only "B".

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Welcome to the world of courts and judges in the USA. Some judge with an enormously biased political agenda sent some guy to prison for 25 years who minted his own gold and silver - it was HIS gold and HIS silver - he never stole it from anyone - to trade in this supposedly "free-market" capitalism.

Meanwhile, this judge has done NOTHING against MASSIVE fraud committed by JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs. Fraud that has destroyed lives.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And it's none of your fucking business nor anyone else's fucking business (FBI, NSA, big government) what Stephen Lerner and the SEIU do with THEIR time and THEIR energy and THEIR money. THEY have the same rights as you and all the banksters to create the laws that THEY want.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello what steve lerner does with his PERSONAL money isn't the same as what he does with UNION money. You are confused... personal doesn't belong to everyone else.. I guess in your world it might since you're a communist. What he does with his SALARY is his business. What he does with UNION dues not his personal business. You should eat some protein. Your brain doesn't work well anymore.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello you have a pretty twisted understanding of what a terrorist is or what force is. FUCK! where did you go to school? Soldiers are terrorists? You make me want to cry. I wonder how many lives were lost so that you could spout your shit. I'll pray for you because that's all anyone can do. I hope your heart softens and you come to a different understanding. Other than that, do not bother to send me a reply. I am washing my hands of you and your collective communism beliefs.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie You're the totalitarian with the absolutist mindset, because you are the one who is absolutely beholden to putting people into categories of "soldier" or "terrorist" without considering each individual situation. A person can be a soldier in one situation and the same person can be a terrorist in the next.

Yet, you go with whatever categories some judge or lawyer in the Western US big-government-loving judicial system, as though that is some absolute "truth".

[mphello]

@TheJoozie Yes, soldiers are terrorists. And, you cannot claim to be fair and balanced in your opinions unless you give equal and fair attention to the positives and negatives of communism and socialism as much as you give to capitalism, which is the same as anarchy.

[joe035]

@mphello Communism & Socialism lead to tyranical rule where dictators hide behind the idea that there is a greater good in the sacrifice of individuals rights especially those of a minority. The Founders were wise in advocation of inalienable rights, that is what makes us unique & successful as a people. Socialism is the best way for Elitist bankers to control the masses, instead of Independants we are becoming a nation of dependants.

[mphello]

@joe035 No, they don't. There is no scientific proof that communism or socialism or Marxism automatically lead to dictators. Capitalism does that. Because capitalists who initially get wealthy by true free-market competition then use that wealth to control congresspeople and shove fascist corporate laws down the country.

[joe035]

@mphello No scientific proof?? How about a history of it. Mao, Kim jung Il, Joseph Stalin, Castro, Lenin. I agree with you that people like the Rockefellers are Democrats, because they want people like you to believe they are better at handling your business & money then you are! Every dollar they take out of your pocket is one less freedom you have.

[mphello]

@joe035 You just spout political propaganda and rhetoric. You obviously do not have the mental capacity to distinguish ultra-nationalistic Stalinism (USSR) and Cultural Revolution bullshit (China) with making laws to pay all workers equally, which is all Marx was about, if you'd read his book.

Now look at how capitalism has killed and imprisoned and tortured millions: in South America (death squads), in prisons in America, in Saudi Arabia. Go move to South America if you love fascism so much.

[joe035]

@mphello My claim was that all socialistic communist regimes always lead to tyranical rule! Under Communism millions have died in prison camps, firing squads, STARVATION, but that was all for the greater good in the minds of your heros! I believe in the Individuals & affording them the ability & laws which allow them to achieve, be free & not be dependant on government which is always corruptable.

[mphello]

@joe035 Bullshit. Since human behavior cannot be mathematically modelled, as all the anti-intellectual extreme free-market capitalist rightwingers love to say, then you cannot make any statements of absolute cause and effect. You just toss words like socialism and communism around without knowing what they mean. You know about the Mensheviks vs the Bolsheviks vs the Trotskyites in the 1910s-1920s, right?

Start by learning some history about the diversity of communism/socialism...

[joe035]

@mphello LMAO the founders knew human nature very well they created 3 branches of government a constitution & a bill of rights to protect us from those entrusted with power. As they knew the whims of the masses could be turned & controlled by tyranical leadership as we have seen with all your commie friends.

I've read enough about your kind of history to know it doesn't work! You should be thankful you live in the US, many of the countries you think are wonderful dont have a pot to piss in!

[keggs1961]

@joe035 I agree with your thoughts on the Founders, however I do not think they intended Multi- National Corporations to control every aspect of our lives. This is the only part of their arguement I agree with, We need to get the Money out of politics and place term limits on every elected official.

[mphello]

@joe035 And capitalist anti-communist systems lead to starvation, homeless, millions in prison, death squads like you see in USA, South America, Saudi Arabia. That's a certain causal fact.

Your absolute inability to do anything but make sweeping generalizations about communist law with zero ability to distinguish those from cultural nationalist laws, proves that you are not mentally capable of making conclusions.

[joe035]

@mphello LMAO There are no death squads in the USA!! Chavez a socialist in South America has closed down free speech & may have some death squads, but we absolutely do not have them here yet. Still waiting for communists to come out from the shadows so we can better identify them. LOL

Who spoonfeeds you all this bullshit you think is reality?? Give me example of anticommunist system leading to starvation, imprisonment, homelessness? Everyone in a FREE society has opportunity!

[mphello]

@joe035 What a load of SHIT. "Chavez closed down free speech". Chavez allows more free speech than Saudi Arabia, UAE, Brazil and all of your other favorite anti-communist countries.

Go inside a US prison for life. Tell your bullshit to the 2 million prisoners in the US.

[joe035]

@mphello Yes he shut down private radio stations & TV station who had opposing views to his leadership!

This is irrefutable as you can coinfirm it anywhere online!! Where do you get your information???

[mphello]

@joe035

The folks whom Chavez shut down must have broken the laws.

And GW Bush shut down climate scientists and the voices of environmentalists who opposed Bush's dictatorial regime. And rightwing Obama forces nuclear contamination on us.

Admit it: you LOVE so-called "communist" countries like USSR and China which love nuclear power and throw people into prison for making marijuana (ironically: there's nothing about marijuana or nuclear power in Karl Marx's "Das Capital")

[joe035]

@mphello Chavez now makes the laws, if he doesn't like what you have to say he shuts you down, both TV & radio! You can confirm this online if facts have any bearing on your opinions?? I am for individual freedoms & believe it is stupid to throw people in Prison for drug use.

[TheJoozie]

@joe035 Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

I have hundreds of these quotes that were given to the senate. It's all a scam to redistribute $. GW was all over it until the first senate report came out. Not that he's not a globalist, but he didn't want to be THE ONE. LOL

[TheJoozie]

@joe035 “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can

speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that

man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely

upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface

system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson

[mphello]

@joe035 You make these idiotic claims of certainty over human behavior which are poorly defined and cannot be predicted, yet you deny anthropogenic global warming (AGW) which has been proven scientifically over thousands of peer-reviewed journals. That's because all conservatives are dumbshit anti-rational irrational lunatics.

[joe035]

@mphello I made no mention of Global warming. Oregon has had record cold weather this year to the point the growing season is off by 1 month. I read some of the emails from the scientists who invented global warming which they are rebranding climate change, I found it fascinating how they fudged their data to make it see feasable. I believe we have an impact on our environment but global warming has been proven fraudulent by those who introduced the theory.

[mphello]

@TheJoozie And don't give me this fucking SHIT that you don't LOVE my replies. There is NO possible way to waste YOUR time. I am the greatest thing in your life. I am more important to you than your worthless parents, friends, and colleagues - who all think you're a joke, because they all know that you steal and lie and would rape them if you were given the chance, because you're a capitalist, therefore you support people doing anything they want.

[ravenfn]

I would not be against using Union labor to build the prisons to hold all the SEIU slackers. At least the trade unions have highly skilled workforce and provide much needed services. If you mop floors or change bedpans and want to strike - please do. There are millions of teenagers who will gladly do your jobs and do so at much more reasonable rates.

[aquawoelfly]

@ravenfn AMEN!!!! im all for locking those same union workers up with thier union bosses in some cases as well.

[mphello]

@aquawoelfly And I'm for locking up any anti-union terrorists. The unions have the same rights to lobby for whatever laws THEY want, the same way the terrorists - the conservatives and the bankers - have to lobby for laws THEY want (laws to steal and plunder trillions of dollars).

This is the SEIU , Lerner's free speech right to say whatever they want.

There is nothing anyone can do about it. If they try to stop them, they will be arrested and sent to prison for violating the Constitution

[nixonplumber]

Loser so envious of others.

[klg1956]

Unions aren't dead or even close, they are on taxpayer life support. These are the people that have a voice in the White House.....SEIU helped write Obama's "health care program." Google: Andy Stern's Legacy: Not All Bad

[mphello]

@klg1956 Unions receive no taxpayer funding. You are confusing unions with multibillion dollar corporates and CEOs and banksters receiving trillions in bailouts and corporate welfare.

[TheJoozie]

@mphello unions get "no taxpayer funding"??? really? Nancy Pelosi said that the 26 billion dollar teacher union bailout was a good investment! hmm.... the UAW got a bailout THEN they and other unions were exempted from obamacare requirements! Which means the taxpayer has to foot the bill for that bullshit terrible healthcare plan... Where's MY exemption?

[socalledcollegelife]

Sounds like a good idea.



[prodjectmayhem]

go for it haha never happen