See, this man has got religion. See how much better is a real truth-teller for directing men to self-improvement. When I started with him he was a 3-time-a-day fornicator. Now he's intoning holy Arabic verses.
For the awakened, this website has good information about the many schisms and sects in the Baha'i Faith -- more sects in its first 150 years than any other religion.
scribd●com/doc/23244144/Sects-of-Baha-i-Faith
Say: It's a good thing.
Be sure to replace the big black dot with a regular period, for the Ministration of Merciful Muddle.
Now, to continue our truth-telling: The Haifa/Wilmette sect of Baha'is has corrupted the religion into a materialistic, world-oriented, status-conscious culture rather than the simple, mystical, and devotional religion that is clearly depicted in the Kitab-i-Aqdas.
@BookOfFlaws Just need to share this. I have a friend staying,and every so often he comes and has a look at these comments. Now, he went to various churches for a bit, and came out an atheist.When he read your comments he said your sort of stuff is what put him off. He read your stuff, then Writings,he read you,he read the Writings. He said he can see the validity of this Faith,that there is a God,(again) and now it makes sense to him, and this 'Baha'i Stuff' is ok
I note this fellow,a freshly confirmed Baha'i and thrice-a-day wanker, stated recently he was going to ignore me. That would be fine. He's a time waster. But he can't stop following me around barking. You need to try to clean yourself up then get with the Blessed Beauty, wanktao.
Calling the UHJ! All Baha'i teaching assets man the Tube!
@BookOfFlaws Whatever. I do not want to become what you have become..'By there fruits you shall know them'
And I am aware of the fact you will abuse the hell out of me and tell how bad I may be, and it is possibly true, but I am going to see if I can become a better person
Calling the Universal House. Is non-Baha'i wankers all you people have left to defend your little building extravaganza over in Israhell and race-mixing campaign?
@BookOfFlaws Since I started at you, you have evolved from a perfect example of passive aggressive behavior, to a fanatic — n a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits
2 hypocrite-N a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Your achievement? To convince me of the validity of this Faith.
@DivineFellowship Your claim to have left the Faith because you were disillusioned with it 20 years ago Your profile claims you are at present 30. Or is it a very old profile or are you telling porkies about your age? Oh, it seems you are not deemed to be a Baha'i before age 15, when you can make your own mind up. Seems like an excellent idea to me.
The quote given is one of many like it. He is railing at the Bab's appointed successor, the mild, spiritual-faced Mirza Yaya. Like an alpha-male asserting dominance, Baha's saying Mirza Y. has little knowledge, just husks and 'dog bones' compared to Mr. Glory. He says if anybody worshipped God assiduously (in all those places) it would be worthless (not accepted) if he wasn't pleasing Baha'u'llah. Here he distinguishes between himself and God, and says pleasing him (B-u-L) is more important.
On another thread I stated that an honest appraisal of Baha'i literature would need to list "devotion to Baha'u'llah personally" as a Top 10 Baha'i "principle" based on the plentitude of quotes to that effect. That is, exaltation of himself personally, in the spirit of "guru devotion" seen in other religions. The short fellow, "Glory," certainly speaks of himself in a self-laudatory manner continuously, seeming to demand devotion to his magnificence, etc. Abundant cites could be listed...
'When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things "verily I am God"; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!'
If He, and it is becoming more apparent to me that it is true,thanks in no small part to yourself and your friends, is the Messenger from God for this day then He should be revered and treated with the utmost respect.
Here's a great Baha'u'llah quote from their "Most Holy Book" I had not noticed:
"Say: O liar, by God, what thou hast is husks. We have left it for you as bones are left for the dogs. By God, the Truth, if one were to wash the feet of everybody in the world and worship God in thickets and in green valleys, on mountains, hill-tops, and summits, and at every stone, and tree, and clod, and yet the fragrance of My good pleasure be not diffused from him, he would never be accepted."
@DivineFellowship I like this bit that precedes it. 'And among the people is he who layeth claim to inner knowledge, and still deeper knowledge concealed within this knowledge.'
It means that if you don't believe in the teachings of Baha'u'llah, then what you do believe is your own vain imagination or mere superstition.
I'm supposed to be predicting your future now? Youtubeassumptionism is you thinking I care if you do or don't. But I do note that that while you want to launch a desultory defense of it, you don't actually accept it yourself.
@DivineFellowship Youtubeassumptionism is a word I made up to describe people like yourself and the fact that you assume all manner of things about someone else when you have no idea what they are like.I make no assumptions about you, your comments speak for themselves. You have never told me why you hate this Religion with a hatred bordering on the fanatical.
@DivineFellowship Predicting the future is your business isn't? Giving you an income that allows you to give this lot a hard time. And a view. Or am I mixing you up with someone else?
We have to uses our judgement. Judgement and discrimination are central faculties of human intelligence. Baha'is should try to use their judgement, too, instead of accepting shallow bromides and silly slogans unexamined.
"by your own actions and at worst you are a hypocrite."
My actions of religious teaching? It's in my blood. "Hypocrite"? When did I ever preach "sweetness and light"? My criticisms of the Baha'i Faith are 100 percent sincere.
"Is it because you tried to introduce these things into your Baha'i community and failed, so now you are pissed off with the Faith and want to damage it?"
I ended my involvement with the Baha'i Faith 20 years ago, happy to.I have gotten interested in these threads, really, because of rude posters, you in particular, who wish to spar. I'm up for it. My words will be effective for all intelligent Baha'is not totally cowed by their control culture. I speak for their good; they will get the good.
"...where in the scheme of things do you get off telling other people they are materialistic?"
I'm not telling "other people." I'm telling Baha'is. Where do I "get off"? You mean how is it justified? By my experience with Baha'is. I get justification also from seeing the kind of videos Baha'is put on YouTube: Always of their buildings, saying "Look, see how impressive and magnificent our buildings are!" Never mind the continual external and worldly focus of Baha' Feast letters, lecturers, etc.
What you describe is humanly unnatural and insensate. To be human is to have likes and dislikes, to prefer one thing over another, to bond close with one person, in one way, and not the same with others. Just as every human alive does not belong in your house, or hanging around with your kids; "every human alive" does not have any business being in "any country they like" or taking any jobs they like. Wholesome human life is made of special groups of association, affiliation, and belonging.
"a person who dislikes gay people, has a phobia of them."
No he doesn't. He has a dislike.
If you dislike loud cell-phone talkers or pedophiles should I say that you have a "phobia" of them?
"xenophobia" (unreasonble fear of foreigners, intolerant) is outdated and quite stupid."
"Xenophibia" is a psychiatric word. The disorder called xenophobia is very rare. Likes & dislikes about various peoples is natural. Failing to prefer your own plus accepting everything foreign is unnatural & stupid.
@DivineFellowship "No he doesn't. He has a dislike" I was stating that homo-phobia can mean someone who shares either (a phobia or dislike for gay people). Phobia is defined as having an irrational fear and dislike of something, so phobia is an acceptable term as it also depends on whether people believe the dislike of gays as irrational or not. I believe it is.
@BookOfFlaws But a phobia usually includes dislike. You could say that a germphobic dislikes germs as you could say a homophobic dislikes gays. I was saying that the word "homophobia" can be used as a name for people who dislike gay people. It is used universally. Why are people trying to change the meaning? People who have an actual fear of gay people should be called homophobics aswell (and i would consider that fear irrational).
@DivineFellowship "Failing to prefer your own..." No it isn't stupid and unnatural... because it is also natural to want to survive and protect yourself, and lets say you have a family who abuses you, although they are your family, would you prefer to love them despite how they treat you? Let people have their preferences without passing judgement and saying it is "unnatural". It's not that i don't like White people (because i AM White). I prefer any human as long as they're good people.
It's good you've settled into simply being snarkmaster instead of religious teacher. It suits you better. I have plenty of internet access. DSL. Wifi. 3 computers, hooked up, 300+ internet domains. Likely more access than you.
I live self-sufficiently in an expensive apartment overlooking downtown. I am so successful as an astrologer (another thing that scares Baha'is) I have plenty of time to harass you Denizens of Shallows beyond Perception.
@DivineFellowship A phobia is not a mental illness, it is a type of anxiety disorder which is a disorder. Phobia, mental illness etc. those terms don't matter, because the worldwide definition for a "homo-phobic" is a person who dislikes gay people, has a phobia of them. We humans are more sophisticated and developed than other Animals in the Animal kingdom, so "xenophobia" (unreasonble fear of foreigners, intolerant) is outdated and quite stupid.
"it is a type of anxiety disorder which is a disorder"
A mental disorder is like a mental illness.
"Phobia, mental illness etc. those terms don't matter,"
Yes it matters, because the word pathologizes a range of human feelings, legitimate ones.
"because the worldwide definition for a "homo-phobic" is...
"Worldwide definition." The word did not exist until recently. Why is that? (Because it's not a legitimate word.) Instead, homosexuality was classified as a mental illness.
@DivineFellowship There have been many cases where different species animals had taken in and adopted baby animals of different species. Where are you even getting your information from? Every animal is different. Some animals are more capable of adopting ones of a different species. And a species is completely different to a person of a different race. Humans should accept other humans because they are humans, regardless of race. Most animals wouldn't care about race. We're all here to survive.
@DivineFellowship "On any widespread basis....." Like i said in my previous comments, this happens rarely among certain animals of a different species, not race.
"Yes, humans have much more subtle..." So you agree that discrimination and ignorance of foreign animals is natural among many animals? But since species change and adapt all the time and it's inevitable, why cant they adapt and accept foreigners?
"Accept them in every way?....." I was referring to race. That should of been obvious.
@DivineFellowship I can go as low as you can so don't doubt it . Most of your statements are so idiotic they are unanswerable so I just take the piss.Reasonable questions I copy and paste answers from the Writings.If you are so wonderfull why don't you use your cards and find the truth and get the hell out of here. Is it because you tried to introduce these things into your Baha'i community and failed, so now you are pissed off with the Faith and want to damage it?
"why don't you use your cards and find the truth and get the hell out of here."
What "cards." I'm telling truth here:
-- Baha'is have an externally-focused, world-centered religion.
-- Baha'is are obsessed with raising money for "the Fund" to create magnificent buildings.
-- Etc.
Where else to tell the truth but in threads about the Baha'i F. It's appropriate I stay here rather than 'get out.' By the way, that my experience inside the Baha'i Faith is extensive. You've never even been in it.
You will have to explain your concept of externally based
Funds are needed in any organization,and there is apparently a building fund, voluntary and open only to Baha'i's
Giving to the fund is obligatory, the amount a Believer gives is not, your donation is not public knowledge and in some countries tax deductible.It seems that some of the donation can be earmarked for specific things,a building, or teaching activity.
@waiotahi52 -- If you think the Baha'i Faith is so great and so true, why won't you join it? Not true enough for you? You pose as defending it, but you don't accept it. I think we can see who the hypocrite is here.
@DivineFellowship I live in a house I built myself with view over the ocean, what in the name of God has that got to do with anything. I am retired and have plenty of time as well. Game on.
@DivineFellowship So where in the scheme of things do you get off telling other people they are materialistic? At best you are judging others by your own actions and at worst you are a hypocrite. Is that what all this wonderfull knowledge you claim to have, taught you?
So, even though the B. Faith is so rudimentary, sketchy, and incomplete compared to other religions, and even though B-u-L even indicates things are withheld; not given, Baha'is can't think any new thoughts, or even deal with words not already a part of their proprietary religious lexicon. To give examples, if you say religious words like "shakti," "ananda," "samadhi," "brahmacharya," "jiva" to Baha'is -- (words for fundamental concepts in Hinduism), Baha'is freak out and run for the doors.
"Beyond invention" is a reference to 2 things: 1st, to the basic anti-science stance basic to the Bab and Baha'u'llah. It also refers to anybody who would "invent" any new idea outside of the stern, patriarchal B-u-L. This even though in the other verse mentioned, B-u-L seems to say much 'information' has been withheld. He was trying to keep control of his own trademark. It puts Baha'is in a bind. They can't be creative, discover anything new, use new words (or old ones from other religions).
The Upanishads and God-meditation are sufficient for me. That was the sort of life Baha'u'llah actually advocated in his writings, "did ye but know." And it's what he's referring to in his reference to "the minions of separation beyond innovation." (Just to help you out. Beautiful phrase.) "Minions of separation" refers to the Baha'is who were [supposed to] separate themselves from the world. The unique, austere lifestyle described in the Aqdas makes that clear.
"Study of these things has not improved you or your concept of reality,"
I have gotten a great deal from taking religion seriously, and from acting as if Baha'i writings (and other scriptures) are supposed to actually mean something & hold up to scrutiny. A great deal.
"Since you left the Faith, who do you annoy now?"
I never left it. I went deeper into it's truth. I left the moronic version of Baha'i. (The Haifa sect.) Who do I annoy? Baha'is who never give any thought to their own writings.
It seems to me that Baha'is, from what I recall, are insufficiently enthusiastic about death. They also failed to put death wishes, or the glory of martyrdom, on their "10 Basic Principles" card. I don't know how this happened, since martyrdom is extolled perhaps 100 times for every mention of "harmony of science and religion." (Which isn't even there.)
What does this mean? How is death a messenger of joy? Is this why, as you say, many Bahai's "wish for" death? (That's a new one.) When I was a Baha'i I didn't notice many having death wishes. They didn't like talking about death.
"I made the light to shed on thee its splendor."
What light does this refer to? After death we can't see the sun.
"Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?"
He appears to be saying Baha'is should not try to avoid death.
What does this mean? How is death a messenger of joy? Is this why, as you say, many Bahai's "wish for" death? (That's a new one.) When I was a Baha'i I didn't notice many having death wishes. They didn't like talking about death.
"I made the light to shed on thee its splendor."
What light does this refer to? After death we can't see the sun.
"Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?"
He appears to be saying Baha'is should not try to avoid death.
More from the Baha'is "Most Holy Book" ("Book of Laws"), their most important scripture:
"He desires for you that which you do not know today. The People shall know it whenever spirits soar and the rich carpets of joy are folded up. Thus does he who has a Preserved Tablet remind you." (Translation by the English Arabic scholars Elder and Miller.)
What is the "Preserved Tablet"? Do you know it exists?
What does the 2nd line mean? The one about folding up the "rich carpets of joy."
The 1st sentence seems to be saying God wants things (for the people) that they do not know about; things B-u-L isn't telling. How can Baha'is saying B-u-L has provided the full dispensation for "this day" then? Is it not meet and seemly for true God-seekers to try to figure out, then, what God wants beyond what's written in their strange books? This seems to be the import of the 1st line.
"They regard a single drop of the sea of delusion as preferable to an ocean of certitude."
Where's the "ocean of certitude" here? Baha'u'llah mentions all sorts of far out things like "nethermost fires" or "flying with the minions." Here you can't explain a thing about them. There is no actual Baha'i metaphysics that explains any of these. Where is even a drop of certitude for us about the hellfires. Or certitude about 'flying with minions beyond separation." Some certitude, please.
Are your references to things like "nethermost fires" (found in your scriptures) just for mood? Just for woo-woo? Just for mystical and portentious sounding effect? If you do not have an actual doctrine concerning them, or belief in them, is it not silly for you to refer to them? Is Baha'u'llah just trying to be silly by mentioning "nethermost fires" then?
"People for the most part delight in superstitions."
Does that include the apparent Baha'i belief in otherworldly hellfires for sinners? (You were the one who brought up B-u-L's reference to the 'nethermost fire.") Do Baha'is delight in the nethermost hellfire idea? If you cannot prove that such a punishing fire of God's exists, why is it not a Baha'i supersitition.
Again, you were the one who wanted us to hear B-u-L fulminating about the "nethermost fire" for the sinners, remember?
Yes. I want to know more about the "concourse on high." Your writings refer to it constantly. It must mean something? You don't have to start cussing about it.
"I was not asked about middle or beginners fire,"
I asked you indeed. Your scriptures refer to a "nethermost" (furthest) fire. So there must be some information in your religion about regular hellfires. That's logical.
As I asked before, do Baha'is have a doctrine of hell & hellfire? It seems that you do.
"As everyone must eventually die of course Baha'is discuss it,many wish for it,"
So you are saying that many Baha'is wish for death. Do you place that on your "10 Basic Principles" list yet? (I have always thought that martyrdom, definitely, and the pleasure and wonder of martyrdom, should have made it on your "10 Basic" list. I mean, it's mentioned so much more than "equality of men and women," which is actually NOT listed in the scriptures.)
In the Kitab-i-Aqdas ("Most Holy Book") B-u-L says:
"Leave what you have! Then fly with the minions of Separation beyond Innovation."
This is one of my favorite Baha'i verses. It looks like a call to asceticism (there are many such verses), to renunciation in the ancient saddhu sense. Sort of like Jesus saying "Leave all you have." Do Baha'is leave all and wander? What are the "minions of Separation"? What does "beyond invention" mean?
@DivineFellowship Looks like? People for the most part delight in superstitions. They regard a single drop of the sea of delusion as preferable to an ocean of certitude.
There is another expression, concerning Christ, when confronted by the ignorance of those He tried to teach some really simple concepts to, that Jesus wept. I am not surprised.Where do you get this shit from?
Your hellfire sounds pretty bad. I assume you have given the official Baha'i answers about the Nethermost Fire. What are the other forms of Baha'i hellfire? Are there other hellfires in Baha'i teachings more intermediate, like a "middle fire," or "beginner's fire," etc.?
Question 2:
Who are the members of the "Concourse on High"? What is their occupation? A "concourse" is a kind of circular pathway. What do these persons circumambulate around, and why?
Glad you are finally working on that "nethermost fire" thing. I think your fellow Bahaiys are not quite up to speed on that stuff. Back when I was a Baha-i they never held one single meeting, deepening, or seminar explaining Baha'u'llah's "nethermost fire" teaching. So start educating them.
@DivineFellowship What are you on and where did this come from. As everyone must eventually die of course Baha'is discuss it,many wish for it, and as far as I know will discuss it with anyone, they do with me.
O SON OF THE SUPREME!
I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
Adj. 1. nethermost - farthest down; "bottommost shelf". bottommost, lowermost · bottom - situated at the bottom or lowest position;
Near enough,a good analogy, and flattery will get you nowhere.And that is possibly the most accurate comment you have made, I will stalk you and the other 2 cowards flaws and duck, because you are relying on the good nature of the Baha'is to get away with your cowardly bullying..Don't make assumptions about what I am.
But you're just making this stuff up. You do not have official administrative approval to make these podunk interpretations. You need your administrative rights removed.
@DivineFellowship You are correct that I don't have permission, Bahai's may need that,and admin rights (?) I checked the Writings for the answers to your questions,except the concourse bit, I looked that up in the dictionary,but the meaning I looked up. Do you want the quotes? I can find them again, if you don't mind imposing.....anyway you asked for the answers, you got them, be happy
You better check your Baha'i writings to get your nethermost fires straight. You wouldn't want to wind up in the nethermost fire that's on the podunk side of town, wacotaco.
@DivineFellowship I just read your comment again, and thought...you upjumped little prick. You spend hours on this and other sites like it trying to rubbish one of the best Religions around and then have the gall to haul one of their laws or whatever because you don't 'approve' of the answers. Tough. I told you before, I will follow you around these sites and give the truth,generally copied and pasted from the Writings, for the benefit of others, whether you like it or not.
Truly, I heard Baha'is intone piously about the "concourse on high," "immortal draughts," and "nethermost fire" so many times. (And a great many other fantasmagorical notions.) Yet never were any of these things explained. In fact, I don't think any Baha'i has the slightest clue what any of these terms mean, or are even supposed to mean.
Now you understand the absurdity of the Baha'i Faith.
@DivineFellowship The Concourse, (N.A crowd or assembly of people.) are the Holy souls that have gone before us.
As there is no way to describe the soul 'leaving' the body analogies are used. Flight is one of them.
The immortal drought is death. The nethermost fire is another analogy. It means severe, used to describe disbelief, or an attack on Gods Religion such as an antichrist
Heaven is nearness to God, Hell is the opposite. It is a state of being, not somewhere you go to.
Now, the Baha'i throws around quotes the death process. Do you think the Baha'i is interested in any of my last 10 posts? The answer is no. The Baha'is negate most of the content of the magnificent and profound religions of Buddhism and Hinduism. They are literally afraid to discuss any such matters as these, and even fear to read any of these scriptures because they contradict their simplistic, one-dimensional Baha'i "teaching points." Baha'is are people not really interested in real religion.
For example, a discharge out the nose will tell the monk that the fellow finally left the body through the 2nd-from-the-highest chakra. An opening at the top of the head (softened perhaps by lifelong meditation, something Baha'is don't care for) may appear and a discharge there. A discharge out the lower centers such as the generative organ will imply an unfortunate lower direction of reincarnation. Etc. etc.
Thus the monk will come and recite the Tibetan Book of the Dead's instructions about how the astral entity of the departed should respond to the various confusing phenomena, some of it disturbing, that he will experience during the death process. This can include experience of the "wrathful gods" (loud sounds, terrible figures, etc.) and many other things. The monk reads these things to the body repeatedly. Then he can tell when the soul has departed by sign in the body.
The Tibetan Yogis, having studied the death process more than anybody (and more than Baha'u'llah or Bahai's), know that the astral entity (soul) hangs around the body for some time, to various degrees attached to the body, and usually confused and disturbed (if not having prepared for that moment, as Baha'i are incurious about doing). They also know that the spirit of the person is totally receptive and can register words of persons, especially said near or to the body, and be guided by them.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead contains instructions for the departing should about what to do during 4 or more distinct opportunities presented to the soul (jiva) during the death and reincarnation processes. For example, one should try to merge with certain lights of certain colors, but not others (thus getting a human birth instead of an animal birth, etc.) In Tibetan Buddhism they leave the body untouched and undisturbed for some days, and a monk comes by and says certain things to the body.
So, after the Baha'i here has thrown out at me these portentious-sounding quotes from B-u-L about the death moment, I am letting you know that Baha'is do not want to discuss or learning anything, in reality, about the death moment. They like everything to be be vague, mysterious, unreal, and portentious-sounding. For a Baha'i, if a quote sounds portentious, that is deep enough religion for them. However, the Tibetan Book of the Dead is very fascinating, "would they but know."
But do you think Baha'is would like to hear any discussion of the Tibetan Book of the Dead? Or read one page of it (esp. around Baha'i ears?) Not on your life! See, it's permeated by the reincarnation idea, thus Baha'is would consider that important Buddhist scripture to be taboo. I am not joshing you one inch, folks. I know Baha'is. You would get shunned if you even tried to ask to many questions about it. (And of course, the typical Baha'i, not having studied it, could not answer.)
For example, the religion that's done the very most work on the death process (and that moment of opportunity that Baha'u'llah broached in the quote cluelessly offered here) -- is Tibetan Buddhism. Their scripture, the Tibetan Book of the Death, is loaded with astounding information about the after death processes by yogis who have actually gone through them repeatedly, both in real-death (then return, write about it) and in samadhi. It is a treasure trove of information about the death moment.
Thus, in other words, the Hindu and Buddhist can make sense of B-u-L's 2 quotes on death and do not find them mysterious or distant. He sees much meaning and significance there that the average Baha'i (including that poster) does not see. The more interesting thing is that Baha'is will not want to hear any of these things or see them discussed amongst themselves. Baha'is are, in fact, powerfully CLOSED to any of this knowledge contained in the religions they hope to supplant. Even hostile to it.
Thus it becomes the case that the death moment is not, for the God-devotee mastering Hinduism or Buddhism, some surprise or some strange new land, or even stressful. This is, in fact, essential territory of the first state of samadhi (savikalpa samadhi) discussed in the Bhagavad-Gita and the Yoga-Sutra. This also, quite automatically, involves lucid dreaming and conscious separation of the soul from the body. That is the sort of mastery-of-death process Buddhism and Hinduism teach.
But of course, if one wants to understand this or the naturalness reincarnation, one has to become familiar with the death process. In other words, one has to actually get insight and understanding into that death process that Baha'u'llah, in the 2 quotes cited, has referenced. Baha'is do not want to hear of such things. So, for example, the state of samadhi (the goal of Hindu religion) involves going through the real death process repeatedly -- here/now; to get very familiar and adept at it.
That is, if one wishes for reincarnation to exist it will exist. The Yoga-Vasistha states: "However the mind conceives 'the order,' the order becomes." So aside from rejecting profound doctrines of continuation of consciousness, or the easily observed tendency of humans to engage in repetition of experience via conditioning, the Baha'i F. even misses the powerful nature of mind/Consciousness & its tendency to externalize metaphysical systems. The Baha'i Faith is an incredibly shallow religion.
One of the reasons, of course, is that Bahai'i Faith, being very Islamic in nature, rejects the entire concept of reincarnation. This notwithstanding that reincarnation is taken as a given and woven all through the metaphysics of Hinduism and Buddhism. It is also rather ignorant considering the nature of Consciousness, according to these religions,s in that consciousness will manifest whatever it hankers to conceive of and meditates on a long time. (As we see in even our practical lives.)
So what do Buddhists do? They have practices designed to prepare one for that all-important, crucial death moment. Now, we have to ask ourselves: Do Baha'is have such practices? (No.) Do Baha'is want to discuss such practices? (No.) Do Bahai's even want to hear about such practices (even though they are deeply interwoven in at least two of the religions that Baha'is claim to subsume). The answer is 'no." Such discussions are actually taboo in the Baha'i' Faith. I am not kidding you.
By this time the room full of Baha'is would fall silent and change the subject. (I know, I am well familiar with Bahai's and their culture or non-culture.) Now, let's take it further. Baha'u'llah has stated that a change can occur at the death moment and that is has huge significance. This corresponds very much with the content of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, though Baha'is do not know this and would not like to hear it.
Now, if I were in the Baha'i Faith (say, in a room full of them), the moment I had said that much, the whole room full of Baha'is would become very tense. That would be considered too much discussion of the B-u-L quote, too much discussion of something 'occult' (though the B-u-L) quote is highly occult. The Baha'i would consider just my past couple paragraphs too much discussion of other religions, and uncomfortable territory. Baha'is actually do not discuss any religious matters this deep.
In the BF I noticed that verse, and the prior one, has much similarity to Buddhist teachings (esp. Tibetan) and also a few Hindu teachings, vis-a-vis the death moment. The Buddhists (esp. the Tibetans) consider the death moment to be very important and loaded with opportunity for future incarnational choice. They teach that one can get a higher, or lower next birth depending upon the state of the mind at the death moment. Thus a lot of Buddhism centers on conditioning one's self for that moment.
Though I do not know why the poster mentioned B-u-L's portentious and highly occult "dying" quote, it does broach a number of things that are worth discussing relative to the Baha'i Faith. B-u-L also says another thing related to the death moment. To paraphrase it, he says that the whole point of religion is so that the jiva (soul, in Hinduism) will "get it right" at the moment of death and "ascend," I think he aid, "unsullied."
The Hindus have a more practical approach: It is not wise to leave everything until the "hour of death." It is much wiser to get the association with God here-now; to become conditioned to embrace the sat-chit-ananda here now; and perceive/embrace the divine light here-now. That is, one becomes associated with the experienced Deity here-now through meditation. This ensures that he thinks the right thoughts and takes the right inner approach during the death moment.
How often has B-u-L watched/observed what a "sinner" has done at his hour of death? How did B-u-L observe this? What is the "immortal draught"? (Have Baha'is ever even asked themselves that question? Throw throwing around these strange sentences?) Why has this flowery quotation even been posted. (I heard it often during my Baha'i times. Baha'is don't have the slightest curiosity about it.) It does bring up a few items, however...
During my 15 years as an active member of the Baha'i Faith I was one of the more avid readers of the Baha'i books and scriptures. In fact, I found a copy of the Kitab-i-Aqdas (Book of Laws) and was reading it many years before your "administration" admitted that it had been translated. As to "other religions," my guess is that you know very little about Hinduism, Hindu Yoga, Vedanta, the Yoga-Sutra, the Bhagavad-Gita, etc. Most Baha'is don't. I have also likely studied Sufism more than yourself.
@DivineFellowship How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul's ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!
Can someone tell me where Prophet Muhammad (saws) said, I need a proof please :
My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness.
Can someone tell me where Prophet Muhammad (saws) said, I need a proof please :
My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness.
That's the whole point of the faith 0099wrestler.. A Progressive Revelation. All religions/faiths have the same purpose and message (to live a life that is pleasing to God).. The difference is the people and time in which that Manifestation of God (Prophet) appears
Allah'u'Abha dear friend, is this chant in English or only in Farsi? if you can tell me where i can find it and or if it is transliterated any where? thank you
@Bahaiforever -- Yogananda taught that "the Comforter" refers to the divine sound of Aum heard within by God-seekers. Indeed, it is comforting. Nothing much comforting about the look of that scowling Baha'u'llah, or his many frightening and condemnatory fulminations! (Would ye not be of the Ignorant Cursed Horde!)
i am a bahai, n I know that all realigions meant for the good of the mankind, you cannot judge a religion by the act of its followers, we have had muslims who did great things, we had christians who did great things and so on... the holocost, the cursade and all those horrible dids of human where for their own being, their own self only, not their religion, religion was only a lable for their war... their put it onther religion's name to cover up the blood on their hands
Il y a des jours où , au lieu d etre une Maman en Suisse , j' aimerais être un Soufi dans l ancienne Perse et me promener dans ce jardin magnifique ! au fait quelqu un peut me dire dans quelle ville se trouve le jardin qui apparait dans cette vidéo ? merci.
What Bahai Faith teaches is already found in the Bible and Qur'an. Mohammad's last speech said no new faith. That means a new messenger can come, but no new scriptures. The Qur'an, Chapter Two, The Cow, verses 8 - 20. There you will find Baha u llah, who says he is a peacemaker. There you will also read of your own peace making efforts.
[108.3] Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without posterity,
Examine the legacy of the Baha'i Faith and you will clearly see that your enemies are not the Baha'is. You should also look at the Ulama (the clergy) and the legacy they are leaving behind and decide who your true enemies are.
@nemats Qur'an says Mohammad is the Seal of the Prophets. Then tie together with his last speech means no new verses are to be written. But other messengers can come. Logic proves Bahai is false, logic proves I am a true messenger of God.
The fact is, that nowhere in the Qur'an or in the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad is there mention of the "sealing" of Apostleship, precluding further Divine Revelation. But there are many references to the return of the Spirit of Jesus, which is in fact a prophecy both in Islam and Christianity. These prophecies are fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith.
@sinevred Its nice to learn about my brothers in humanity. I look forward to learning more about your faith. Insha Allah we can all contribute to make the world a better place.
Muhammad (saws) said to Ali (a.s.)''..you will be to me like Haroon to Musa... But there will be no prophet after me.”' This is one example of how we understand as muslims that Muhammad (saws) is the seal.
what is the concept of afterlife in the Bahai faith? do you believe in heaven and hell?
Dear Friend, thank you for your kindness! Muhammad (saws) also reported to have said: "My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness."
Yes, Bahais believe in heaven and hell. The concept of heaven in the Bahai faith means "nearness to God", while hell means "remoteness from God". These can be conditions characterizing ones soul both in this life and the afterlife. The afterlife (world of the spirit) is not limited by time and space. Heaven and hell are not geographical locations, but symbolic concepts of very real conditions or stations of each individual soul in the afterlife.
@0099wrestler just some basic teaching of bahai faith: the abandonment of all forms of prejudice
assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men
recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth
the elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth
the responsibility of each person to independently search for truth
the establishment of a global commonwealth of nations and lot more... now can you tell me where in Quran or bible you can find these? you should read more!
@0099wrestler -- But none of those other religions taught miscegenation, race-destruction, nation-destruction, or feminism. So the B. Faith is very unique. None of them taught that women become better mothers by having degrees in physics, etc. None of them taught that science and technology are good, and should be unconstrained (the opposite of the Babs/Baha's view). None of them taught that there's no such thing as family (masses of millions are your "family"). So the B. Faith is very unique.
God's thought is for the whole world be under the feet of Christ Jesus. Muhammad, Ali, Fatemeh, Hassan, Hussein and others are dead and buried. Christ lives. He should have pre-eminence ruling over our hearts.
You are more than welcomed to investigate Baha'i Religion, without a shade of prejudice. Have a open heart, and place your Trust in God. Please do. Thank you.
You are more than welcomed to investigate Baha'i Religion, without a shade of prejudice. Have a open heart, and place your Trust in God. Please do. Thank you.
I keep reading about how terrible the Muslims are. I know not every Muslim is an extremist. I am Jewish, but i'm not some corrupt capitolist, or penny pincher. Steriotypes are fucking stupid.
@IronLion27 - The very stereotypes and stigmas which you cite are painfully similar to the ones which are being ascribed to Muslims in this day.
Is it true that the Jewish community has at times been afflicted with persons of terrible character? Undoubtedly, and their actions have been most harmful to those among the Jews who have upright and good characters. The same is true absolutely for Muslims, who are afflicted with persons bearing the name without representing the teachings.
I am a bahá'í, as such, I believe in the truth of Islam. Can we judge and say Christianity is not real due to the horrors committed during the inquisition? No. Islam is one thing, and another very different thing are the shameful deeds of the so called followers of Islam who have separated themselves from the divinely revealed Guidance. We cannot judge a religion by the actions of its followers.
This is how you respond, by excusing the facts, these excuses are weak, it is called problem reaction solution, yea the world is a mess the people who created this mess are the same ones trying to create the solution to the problems they originally created, its a formula called problem reaction solution, I create a problem you react all of a sudden now I can come up with a solution that suits my original goal, which is the reason for the original problem, do you follow? Bahaism is a NWO project!
Dont feel sorry for me feel sorry for yourself, you guys cant answer me even if you wanted to. Feel sorry for the fact you guys are ignorantly and blindly following some wishful thinking ideas that will cause people like me when the time is right or $hit hit the fan to go nuts on every single one of you and every other New Age religion and we will go all out when this NWO starts, just watch the militia videos on youtube, are you guys ready, I don't think that Bahia card gets you into the bunkers
They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy.
We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned.
They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices.
The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy.
Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require.
Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.
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Truth freaking hurts man, I used to be a Christian and it was hard accepting Sunni Islam as the ONLY true religion acceptable to the ONE and only God. Bahaism is run by Masons or theosophists or both, the leaders of the Bahai religion run it as a business and as a members only club any fool can join to feel like I fit in, I am part of something etc.. to give poison you must first wrap it up in some candy, I agree there is no distinction between races, there is only believers and non believers
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom .... By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor.
Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes. -- Baha'i Writings
Lesson #2 Religious diversity, unity in diversity
waiotahi52 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
Many religions, many churches, many religious communities -- happy mankind. Don't let the Baha'i faith destroy the religious diversity.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
Atheism's dumb. Church gives bliss.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
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See, this man has got religion. See how much better is a real truth-teller for directing men to self-improvement. When I started with him he was a 3-time-a-day fornicator. Now he's intoning holy Arabic verses.
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
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For the awakened, this website has good information about the many schisms and sects in the Baha'i Faith -- more sects in its first 150 years than any other religion.
scribd●com/doc/23244144/Sects-of-Baha-i-Faith
Say: It's a good thing.
Be sure to replace the big black dot with a regular period, for the Ministration of Merciful Muddle.
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Now, to continue our truth-telling: The Haifa/Wilmette sect of Baha'is has corrupted the religion into a materialistic, world-oriented, status-conscious culture rather than the simple, mystical, and devotional religion that is clearly depicted in the Kitab-i-Aqdas.
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@BookOfFlaws Just need to share this. I have a friend staying,and every so often he comes and has a look at these comments. Now, he went to various churches for a bit, and came out an atheist.When he read your comments he said your sort of stuff is what put him off. He read your stuff, then Writings,he read you,he read the Writings. He said he can see the validity of this Faith,that there is a God,(again) and now it makes sense to him, and this 'Baha'i Stuff' is ok
What can I say?
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I note this fellow,a freshly confirmed Baha'i and thrice-a-day wanker, stated recently he was going to ignore me. That would be fine. He's a time waster. But he can't stop following me around barking. You need to try to clean yourself up then get with the Blessed Beauty, wanktao.
Calling the UHJ! All Baha'i teaching assets man the Tube!
BookOfFlaws 1 week ago
@BookOfFlaws Whatever. I do not want to become what you have become..'By there fruits you shall know them'
And I am aware of the fact you will abuse the hell out of me and tell how bad I may be, and it is possibly true, but I am going to see if I can become a better person
Lakum dinu kum wa liya din
As-Salāmu `Alaykum
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Calling the Universal House. Is non-Baha'i wankers all you people have left to defend your little building extravaganza over in Israhell and race-mixing campaign?
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws Since I started at you, you have evolved from a perfect example of passive aggressive behavior, to a fanatic — n a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits
2 hypocrite-N a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Your achievement? To convince me of the validity of this Faith.
You nil, Baha'i Faith? everything.
As-Salāmu `Alaykum
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Your masturbation has damaged your powers of comprehension. (Of course.)
I won't discuss religion with a masturbator.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Your claim to have left the Faith because you were disillusioned with it 20 years ago Your profile claims you are at present 30. Or is it a very old profile or are you telling porkies about your age? Oh, it seems you are not deemed to be a Baha'i before age 15, when you can make your own mind up. Seems like an excellent idea to me.
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People have feelings like disgust, dislike, and aversion for homosexuals. I don't think anybody has a "phobia" regarding them.
But maybe, could be, that gays have a phobia about traditional morality. Should we call homosexuals "tradphobics" and outlaw tradphobia?
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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The quote given is one of many like it. He is railing at the Bab's appointed successor, the mild, spiritual-faced Mirza Yaya. Like an alpha-male asserting dominance, Baha's saying Mirza Y. has little knowledge, just husks and 'dog bones' compared to Mr. Glory. He says if anybody worshipped God assiduously (in all those places) it would be worthless (not accepted) if he wasn't pleasing Baha'u'llah. Here he distinguishes between himself and God, and says pleasing him (B-u-L) is more important.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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On another thread I stated that an honest appraisal of Baha'i literature would need to list "devotion to Baha'u'llah personally" as a Top 10 Baha'i "principle" based on the plentitude of quotes to that effect. That is, exaltation of himself personally, in the spirit of "guru devotion" seen in other religions. The short fellow, "Glory," certainly speaks of himself in a self-laudatory manner continuously, seeming to demand devotion to his magnificence, etc. Abundant cites could be listed...
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship
'When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things "verily I am God"; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!'
If He, and it is becoming more apparent to me that it is true,thanks in no small part to yourself and your friends, is the Messenger from God for this day then He should be revered and treated with the utmost respect.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Here's a great Baha'u'llah quote from their "Most Holy Book" I had not noticed:
"Say: O liar, by God, what thou hast is husks. We have left it for you as bones are left for the dogs. By God, the Truth, if one were to wash the feet of everybody in the world and worship God in thickets and in green valleys, on mountains, hill-tops, and summits, and at every stone, and tree, and clod, and yet the fragrance of My good pleasure be not diffused from him, he would never be accepted."
Funny stuff.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I like this bit that precedes it. 'And among the people is he who layeth claim to inner knowledge, and still deeper knowledge concealed within this knowledge.'
It means that if you don't believe in the teachings of Baha'u'llah, then what you do believe is your own vain imagination or mere superstition.
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I'm supposed to be predicting your future now? Youtubeassumptionism is you thinking I care if you do or don't. But I do note that that while you want to launch a desultory defense of it, you don't actually accept it yourself.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Youtubeassumptionism is a word I made up to describe people like yourself and the fact that you assume all manner of things about someone else when you have no idea what they are like.I make no assumptions about you, your comments speak for themselves. You have never told me why you hate this Religion with a hatred bordering on the fanatical.
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@DivineFellowship Predicting the future is your business isn't? Giving you an income that allows you to give this lot a hard time. And a view. Or am I mixing you up with someone else?
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
"At best you are judging others"
We have to uses our judgement. Judgement and discrimination are central faculties of human intelligence. Baha'is should try to use their judgement, too, instead of accepting shallow bromides and silly slogans unexamined.
"by your own actions and at worst you are a hypocrite."
My actions of religious teaching? It's in my blood. "Hypocrite"? When did I ever preach "sweetness and light"? My criticisms of the Baha'i Faith are 100 percent sincere.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"Is it because you tried to introduce these things into your Baha'i community and failed, so now you are pissed off with the Faith and want to damage it?"
I ended my involvement with the Baha'i Faith 20 years ago, happy to.I have gotten interested in these threads, really, because of rude posters, you in particular, who wish to spar. I'm up for it. My words will be effective for all intelligent Baha'is not totally cowed by their control culture. I speak for their good; they will get the good.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship are you telling me you learned everything about this Faith by age 10 then left? That would explain a lot
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
"...where in the scheme of things do you get off telling other people they are materialistic?"
I'm not telling "other people." I'm telling Baha'is. Where do I "get off"? You mean how is it justified? By my experience with Baha'is. I get justification also from seeing the kind of videos Baha'is put on YouTube: Always of their buildings, saying "Look, see how impressive and magnificent our buildings are!" Never mind the continual external and worldly focus of Baha' Feast letters, lecturers, etc.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
What you describe is humanly unnatural and insensate. To be human is to have likes and dislikes, to prefer one thing over another, to bond close with one person, in one way, and not the same with others. Just as every human alive does not belong in your house, or hanging around with your kids; "every human alive" does not have any business being in "any country they like" or taking any jobs they like. Wholesome human life is made of special groups of association, affiliation, and belonging.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"a person who dislikes gay people, has a phobia of them."
No he doesn't. He has a dislike.
If you dislike loud cell-phone talkers or pedophiles should I say that you have a "phobia" of them?
"xenophobia" (unreasonble fear of foreigners, intolerant) is outdated and quite stupid."
"Xenophibia" is a psychiatric word. The disorder called xenophobia is very rare. Likes & dislikes about various peoples is natural. Failing to prefer your own plus accepting everything foreign is unnatural & stupid.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship "No he doesn't. He has a dislike" I was stating that homo-phobia can mean someone who shares either (a phobia or dislike for gay people). Phobia is defined as having an irrational fear and dislike of something, so phobia is an acceptable term as it also depends on whether people believe the dislike of gays as irrational or not. I believe it is.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
@XxAleenazxX How about a homophobic misogynist,they have a real problems as they can only like straight guys.Hell on earth!
Hi devinefellow:-)
I have been having 'meaningfull dialogue' with devine fellowship, and he has very nearly converted me.
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@XxAleenazxX -- A dislike is not a "phobia." The word "homophobia" is an aggressive propaganda word created by a militant gay activist.
You don't like morality? Then you must be morphobic.
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@BookOfFlaws But a phobia usually includes dislike. You could say that a germphobic dislikes germs as you could say a homophobic dislikes gays. I was saying that the word "homophobia" can be used as a name for people who dislike gay people. It is used universally. Why are people trying to change the meaning? People who have an actual fear of gay people should be called homophobics aswell (and i would consider that fear irrational).
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship "Failing to prefer your own..." No it isn't stupid and unnatural... because it is also natural to want to survive and protect yourself, and lets say you have a family who abuses you, although they are your family, would you prefer to love them despite how they treat you? Let people have their preferences without passing judgement and saying it is "unnatural". It's not that i don't like White people (because i AM White). I prefer any human as long as they're good people.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
"Or do they allow internet access where you are?"
It's good you've settled into simply being snarkmaster instead of religious teacher. It suits you better. I have plenty of internet access. DSL. Wifi. 3 computers, hooked up, 300+ internet domains. Likely more access than you.
I live self-sufficiently in an expensive apartment overlooking downtown. I am so successful as an astrologer (another thing that scares Baha'is) I have plenty of time to harass you Denizens of Shallows beyond Perception.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I have to answer to you here since the coward who made the video blocked me.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship A phobia is not a mental illness, it is a type of anxiety disorder which is a disorder. Phobia, mental illness etc. those terms don't matter, because the worldwide definition for a "homo-phobic" is a person who dislikes gay people, has a phobia of them. We humans are more sophisticated and developed than other Animals in the Animal kingdom, so "xenophobia" (unreasonble fear of foreigners, intolerant) is outdated and quite stupid.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
"it is a type of anxiety disorder which is a disorder"
A mental disorder is like a mental illness.
"Phobia, mental illness etc. those terms don't matter,"
Yes it matters, because the word pathologizes a range of human feelings, legitimate ones.
"because the worldwide definition for a "homo-phobic" is...
"Worldwide definition." The word did not exist until recently. Why is that? (Because it's not a legitimate word.) Instead, homosexuality was classified as a mental illness.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship There have been many cases where different species animals had taken in and adopted baby animals of different species. Where are you even getting your information from? Every animal is different. Some animals are more capable of adopting ones of a different species. And a species is completely different to a person of a different race. Humans should accept other humans because they are humans, regardless of race. Most animals wouldn't care about race. We're all here to survive.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
"There have been many cases where different species animals had taken in and adopted baby animals of different species."
On any widespread basis this would be destructive to that species.
"And a species is...different to a person of a different race."
Yes, humans have much more subtle perception and powers of discrimination.
"Humans should accept other humans because they are humans,"
Accept them in every way? A wife have sex with every man because he's human? Nurse everybody's baby?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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@DivineFellowship "On any widespread basis....." Like i said in my previous comments, this happens rarely among certain animals of a different species, not race.
"Yes, humans have much more subtle..." So you agree that discrimination and ignorance of foreign animals is natural among many animals? But since species change and adapt all the time and it's inevitable, why cant they adapt and accept foreigners?
"Accept them in every way?....." I was referring to race. That should of been obvious.
XxAleenazxX 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I can go as low as you can so don't doubt it . Most of your statements are so idiotic they are unanswerable so I just take the piss.Reasonable questions I copy and paste answers from the Writings.If you are so wonderfull why don't you use your cards and find the truth and get the hell out of here. Is it because you tried to introduce these things into your Baha'i community and failed, so now you are pissed off with the Faith and want to damage it?
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"why don't you use your cards and find the truth and get the hell out of here."
What "cards." I'm telling truth here:
-- Baha'is have an externally-focused, world-centered religion.
-- Baha'is are obsessed with raising money for "the Fund" to create magnificent buildings.
-- Etc.
Where else to tell the truth but in threads about the Baha'i F. It's appropriate I stay here rather than 'get out.' By the way, that my experience inside the Baha'i Faith is extensive. You've never even been in it.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Truth then is very definitely relative
You will have to explain your concept of externally based
Funds are needed in any organization,and there is apparently a building fund, voluntary and open only to Baha'i's
Giving to the fund is obligatory, the amount a Believer gives is not, your donation is not public knowledge and in some countries tax deductible.It seems that some of the donation can be earmarked for specific things,a building, or teaching activity.
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@waiotahi52 -- If you think the Baha'i Faith is so great and so true, why won't you join it? Not true enough for you? You pose as defending it, but you don't accept it. I think we can see who the hypocrite is here.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Youtubeassumptionism.What makes you think I won't?
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I live in a house I built myself with view over the ocean, what in the name of God has that got to do with anything. I am retired and have plenty of time as well. Game on.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@waiotahi52 -- Why are you telling me about it. I didn't bring up your house. More Baha'i materialism and bragging about your buildings?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship So where in the scheme of things do you get off telling other people they are materialistic? At best you are judging others by your own actions and at worst you are a hypocrite. Is that what all this wonderfull knowledge you claim to have, taught you?
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
So, even though the B. Faith is so rudimentary, sketchy, and incomplete compared to other religions, and even though B-u-L even indicates things are withheld; not given, Baha'is can't think any new thoughts, or even deal with words not already a part of their proprietary religious lexicon. To give examples, if you say religious words like "shakti," "ananda," "samadhi," "brahmacharya," "jiva" to Baha'is -- (words for fundamental concepts in Hinduism), Baha'is freak out and run for the doors.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
"Beyond invention" is a reference to 2 things: 1st, to the basic anti-science stance basic to the Bab and Baha'u'llah. It also refers to anybody who would "invent" any new idea outside of the stern, patriarchal B-u-L. This even though in the other verse mentioned, B-u-L seems to say much 'information' has been withheld. He was trying to keep control of his own trademark. It puts Baha'is in a bind. They can't be creative, discover anything new, use new words (or old ones from other religions).
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
"Do you belong to a group?"
The Upanishads and God-meditation are sufficient for me. That was the sort of life Baha'u'llah actually advocated in his writings, "did ye but know." And it's what he's referring to in his reference to "the minions of separation beyond innovation." (Just to help you out. Beautiful phrase.) "Minions of separation" refers to the Baha'is who were [supposed to] separate themselves from the world. The unique, austere lifestyle described in the Aqdas makes that clear.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
"Study of these things has not improved you or your concept of reality,"
I have gotten a great deal from taking religion seriously, and from acting as if Baha'i writings (and other scriptures) are supposed to actually mean something & hold up to scrutiny. A great deal.
"Since you left the Faith, who do you annoy now?"
I never left it. I went deeper into it's truth. I left the moronic version of Baha'i. (The Haifa sect.) Who do I annoy? Baha'is who never give any thought to their own writings.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
It seems to me that Baha'is, from what I recall, are insufficiently enthusiastic about death. They also failed to put death wishes, or the glory of martyrdom, on their "10 Basic Principles" card. I don't know how this happened, since martyrdom is extolled perhaps 100 times for every mention of "harmony of science and religion." (Which isn't even there.)
"Where do you get this shit from?"
From your Baha'i scriptures.
"Keep on with the medication."
I never used drugs. Was always against them.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"I have made death a messenger of joy to thee."
What does this mean? How is death a messenger of joy? Is this why, as you say, many Bahai's "wish for" death? (That's a new one.) When I was a Baha'i I didn't notice many having death wishes. They didn't like talking about death.
"I made the light to shed on thee its splendor."
What light does this refer to? After death we can't see the sun.
"Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?"
He appears to be saying Baha'is should not try to avoid death.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"I have made death a messenger of joy to thee."
What does this mean? How is death a messenger of joy? Is this why, as you say, many Bahai's "wish for" death? (That's a new one.) When I was a Baha'i I didn't notice many having death wishes. They didn't like talking about death.
"I made the light to shed on thee its splendor."
What light does this refer to? After death we can't see the sun.
"Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?"
He appears to be saying Baha'is should not try to avoid death.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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More from the Baha'is "Most Holy Book" ("Book of Laws"), their most important scripture:
"He desires for you that which you do not know today. The People shall know it whenever spirits soar and the rich carpets of joy are folded up. Thus does he who has a Preserved Tablet remind you." (Translation by the English Arabic scholars Elder and Miller.)
What is the "Preserved Tablet"? Do you know it exists?
What does the 2nd line mean? The one about folding up the "rich carpets of joy."
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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What are the "carpets of joy."
What does it mean when they are "folded up"?
Who folds them up and why?
The 1st sentence seems to be saying God wants things (for the people) that they do not know about; things B-u-L isn't telling. How can Baha'is saying B-u-L has provided the full dispensation for "this day" then? Is it not meet and seemly for true God-seekers to try to figure out, then, what God wants beyond what's written in their strange books? This seems to be the import of the 1st line.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"They regard a single drop of the sea of delusion as preferable to an ocean of certitude."
Where's the "ocean of certitude" here? Baha'u'llah mentions all sorts of far out things like "nethermost fires" or "flying with the minions." Here you can't explain a thing about them. There is no actual Baha'i metaphysics that explains any of these. Where is even a drop of certitude for us about the hellfires. Or certitude about 'flying with minions beyond separation." Some certitude, please.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"and stop being silly"
Are your references to things like "nethermost fires" (found in your scriptures) just for mood? Just for woo-woo? Just for mystical and portentious sounding effect? If you do not have an actual doctrine concerning them, or belief in them, is it not silly for you to refer to them? Is Baha'u'llah just trying to be silly by mentioning "nethermost fires" then?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"People for the most part delight in superstitions."
Does that include the apparent Baha'i belief in otherworldly hellfires for sinners? (You were the one who brought up B-u-L's reference to the 'nethermost fire.") Do Baha'is delight in the nethermost hellfire idea? If you cannot prove that such a punishing fire of God's exists, why is it not a Baha'i supersitition.
Again, you were the one who wanted us to hear B-u-L fulminating about the "nethermost fire" for the sinners, remember?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
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"'Occupation?'Wtf?"
Yes. I want to know more about the "concourse on high." Your writings refer to it constantly. It must mean something? You don't have to start cussing about it.
"I was not asked about middle or beginners fire,"
I asked you indeed. Your scriptures refer to a "nethermost" (furthest) fire. So there must be some information in your religion about regular hellfires. That's logical.
As I asked before, do Baha'is have a doctrine of hell & hellfire? It seems that you do.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
"As everyone must eventually die of course Baha'is discuss it,many wish for it,"
So you are saying that many Baha'is wish for death. Do you place that on your "10 Basic Principles" list yet? (I have always thought that martyrdom, definitely, and the pleasure and wonder of martyrdom, should have made it on your "10 Basic" list. I mean, it's mentioned so much more than "equality of men and women," which is actually NOT listed in the scriptures.)
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Question 3:
In the Kitab-i-Aqdas ("Most Holy Book") B-u-L says:
"Leave what you have! Then fly with the minions of Separation beyond Innovation."
This is one of my favorite Baha'i verses. It looks like a call to asceticism (there are many such verses), to renunciation in the ancient saddhu sense. Sort of like Jesus saying "Leave all you have." Do Baha'is leave all and wander? What are the "minions of Separation"? What does "beyond invention" mean?
--Elder/Miller Translation
Please explain.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Looks like? People for the most part delight in superstitions. They regard a single drop of the sea of delusion as preferable to an ocean of certitude.
There is another expression, concerning Christ, when confronted by the ignorance of those He tried to teach some really simple concepts to, that Jesus wept. I am not surprised.Where do you get this shit from?
Keep on with the medication.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Some Unanswered Questions:
Question 1:
Your hellfire sounds pretty bad. I assume you have given the official Baha'i answers about the Nethermost Fire. What are the other forms of Baha'i hellfire? Are there other hellfires in Baha'i teachings more intermediate, like a "middle fire," or "beginner's fire," etc.?
Question 2:
Who are the members of the "Concourse on High"? What is their occupation? A "concourse" is a kind of circular pathway. What do these persons circumambulate around, and why?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship
'Occupation?'Wtf?
I was not asked about middle or beginners fire, these are your concepts.You tell me
English has many words with more than one meaning, that is why we need dictionaries.
Sit in the dark,without distractions, work out which one suits and stop being silly
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Glad you are finally working on that "nethermost fire" thing. I think your fellow Bahaiys are not quite up to speed on that stuff. Back when I was a Baha-i they never held one single meeting, deepening, or seminar explaining Baha'u'llah's "nethermost fire" teaching. So start educating them.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship Why would they waste their time? Study of these things has not improved you or your concept of reality,
Since you left the Faith, who do you annoy now?
Apart from here I mean.
Do you belong to a group or have you created you own religion? Or do they allow internet access where you are?
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@DivineFellowship What are you on and where did this come from. As everyone must eventually die of course Baha'is discuss it,many wish for it, and as far as I know will discuss it with anyone, they do with me.
O SON OF THE SUPREME!
I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?
Baha'u'llah
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Adj. 1. nethermost - farthest down; "bottommost shelf". bottommost, lowermost · bottom - situated at the bottom or lowest position;
Near enough,a good analogy, and flattery will get you nowhere.And that is possibly the most accurate comment you have made, I will stalk you and the other 2 cowards flaws and duck, because you are relying on the good nature of the Baha'is to get away with your cowardly bullying..Don't make assumptions about what I am.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
But you're just making this stuff up. You do not have official administrative approval to make these podunk interpretations. You need your administrative rights removed.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship You are correct that I don't have permission, Bahai's may need that,and admin rights (?) I checked the Writings for the answers to your questions,except the concourse bit, I looked that up in the dictionary,but the meaning I looked up. Do you want the quotes? I can find them again, if you don't mind imposing.....anyway you asked for the answers, you got them, be happy
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
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DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
You better check your Baha'i writings to get your nethermost fires straight. You wouldn't want to wind up in the nethermost fire that's on the podunk side of town, wacotaco.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship I just read your comment again, and thought...you upjumped little prick. You spend hours on this and other sites like it trying to rubbish one of the best Religions around and then have the gall to haul one of their laws or whatever because you don't 'approve' of the answers. Tough. I told you before, I will follow you around these sites and give the truth,generally copied and pasted from the Writings, for the benefit of others, whether you like it or not.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Truly, I heard Baha'is intone piously about the "concourse on high," "immortal draughts," and "nethermost fire" so many times. (And a great many other fantasmagorical notions.) Yet never were any of these things explained. In fact, I don't think any Baha'i has the slightest clue what any of these terms mean, or are even supposed to mean.
Now you understand the absurdity of the Baha'i Faith.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Speaking of Baha'i metaphysics, cussman52 broached worthy questions folks can ask Baha'is:
"hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high!"
1) What exactly is the "concourse on high"? What is this "flight." Do Baha'is end up flying? Explain.
"quaffing the immortal draught"
2) What precisely is the "immortal draught"?
"been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!"
What is this "nethermost fire"? Do Baha'is believe in hell? Is this like a suburb of hell or "bad side" of hell?
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
@DivineFellowship The Concourse, (N.A crowd or assembly of people.) are the Holy souls that have gone before us.
As there is no way to describe the soul 'leaving' the body analogies are used. Flight is one of them.
The immortal drought is death. The nethermost fire is another analogy. It means severe, used to describe disbelief, or an attack on Gods Religion such as an antichrist
Heaven is nearness to God, Hell is the opposite. It is a state of being, not somewhere you go to.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
Now, the Baha'i throws around quotes the death process. Do you think the Baha'i is interested in any of my last 10 posts? The answer is no. The Baha'is negate most of the content of the magnificent and profound religions of Buddhism and Hinduism. They are literally afraid to discuss any such matters as these, and even fear to read any of these scriptures because they contradict their simplistic, one-dimensional Baha'i "teaching points." Baha'is are people not really interested in real religion.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
For example, a discharge out the nose will tell the monk that the fellow finally left the body through the 2nd-from-the-highest chakra. An opening at the top of the head (softened perhaps by lifelong meditation, something Baha'is don't care for) may appear and a discharge there. A discharge out the lower centers such as the generative organ will imply an unfortunate lower direction of reincarnation. Etc. etc.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Thus the monk will come and recite the Tibetan Book of the Dead's instructions about how the astral entity of the departed should respond to the various confusing phenomena, some of it disturbing, that he will experience during the death process. This can include experience of the "wrathful gods" (loud sounds, terrible figures, etc.) and many other things. The monk reads these things to the body repeatedly. Then he can tell when the soul has departed by sign in the body.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
The Tibetan Yogis, having studied the death process more than anybody (and more than Baha'u'llah or Bahai's), know that the astral entity (soul) hangs around the body for some time, to various degrees attached to the body, and usually confused and disturbed (if not having prepared for that moment, as Baha'i are incurious about doing). They also know that the spirit of the person is totally receptive and can register words of persons, especially said near or to the body, and be guided by them.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
The Tibetan Book of the Dead contains instructions for the departing should about what to do during 4 or more distinct opportunities presented to the soul (jiva) during the death and reincarnation processes. For example, one should try to merge with certain lights of certain colors, but not others (thus getting a human birth instead of an animal birth, etc.) In Tibetan Buddhism they leave the body untouched and undisturbed for some days, and a monk comes by and says certain things to the body.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
So, after the Baha'i here has thrown out at me these portentious-sounding quotes from B-u-L about the death moment, I am letting you know that Baha'is do not want to discuss or learning anything, in reality, about the death moment. They like everything to be be vague, mysterious, unreal, and portentious-sounding. For a Baha'i, if a quote sounds portentious, that is deep enough religion for them. However, the Tibetan Book of the Dead is very fascinating, "would they but know."
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
But do you think Baha'is would like to hear any discussion of the Tibetan Book of the Dead? Or read one page of it (esp. around Baha'i ears?) Not on your life! See, it's permeated by the reincarnation idea, thus Baha'is would consider that important Buddhist scripture to be taboo. I am not joshing you one inch, folks. I know Baha'is. You would get shunned if you even tried to ask to many questions about it. (And of course, the typical Baha'i, not having studied it, could not answer.)
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
For example, the religion that's done the very most work on the death process (and that moment of opportunity that Baha'u'llah broached in the quote cluelessly offered here) -- is Tibetan Buddhism. Their scripture, the Tibetan Book of the Death, is loaded with astounding information about the after death processes by yogis who have actually gone through them repeatedly, both in real-death (then return, write about it) and in samadhi. It is a treasure trove of information about the death moment.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Thus, in other words, the Hindu and Buddhist can make sense of B-u-L's 2 quotes on death and do not find them mysterious or distant. He sees much meaning and significance there that the average Baha'i (including that poster) does not see. The more interesting thing is that Baha'is will not want to hear any of these things or see them discussed amongst themselves. Baha'is are, in fact, powerfully CLOSED to any of this knowledge contained in the religions they hope to supplant. Even hostile to it.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Thus it becomes the case that the death moment is not, for the God-devotee mastering Hinduism or Buddhism, some surprise or some strange new land, or even stressful. This is, in fact, essential territory of the first state of samadhi (savikalpa samadhi) discussed in the Bhagavad-Gita and the Yoga-Sutra. This also, quite automatically, involves lucid dreaming and conscious separation of the soul from the body. That is the sort of mastery-of-death process Buddhism and Hinduism teach.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
But of course, if one wants to understand this or the naturalness reincarnation, one has to become familiar with the death process. In other words, one has to actually get insight and understanding into that death process that Baha'u'llah, in the 2 quotes cited, has referenced. Baha'is do not want to hear of such things. So, for example, the state of samadhi (the goal of Hindu religion) involves going through the real death process repeatedly -- here/now; to get very familiar and adept at it.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
That is, if one wishes for reincarnation to exist it will exist. The Yoga-Vasistha states: "However the mind conceives 'the order,' the order becomes." So aside from rejecting profound doctrines of continuation of consciousness, or the easily observed tendency of humans to engage in repetition of experience via conditioning, the Baha'i F. even misses the powerful nature of mind/Consciousness & its tendency to externalize metaphysical systems. The Baha'i Faith is an incredibly shallow religion.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
One of the reasons, of course, is that Bahai'i Faith, being very Islamic in nature, rejects the entire concept of reincarnation. This notwithstanding that reincarnation is taken as a given and woven all through the metaphysics of Hinduism and Buddhism. It is also rather ignorant considering the nature of Consciousness, according to these religions,s in that consciousness will manifest whatever it hankers to conceive of and meditates on a long time. (As we see in even our practical lives.)
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
So what do Buddhists do? They have practices designed to prepare one for that all-important, crucial death moment. Now, we have to ask ourselves: Do Baha'is have such practices? (No.) Do Baha'is want to discuss such practices? (No.) Do Bahai's even want to hear about such practices (even though they are deeply interwoven in at least two of the religions that Baha'is claim to subsume). The answer is 'no." Such discussions are actually taboo in the Baha'i' Faith. I am not kidding you.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
By this time the room full of Baha'is would fall silent and change the subject. (I know, I am well familiar with Bahai's and their culture or non-culture.) Now, let's take it further. Baha'u'llah has stated that a change can occur at the death moment and that is has huge significance. This corresponds very much with the content of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, though Baha'is do not know this and would not like to hear it.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Now, if I were in the Baha'i Faith (say, in a room full of them), the moment I had said that much, the whole room full of Baha'is would become very tense. That would be considered too much discussion of the B-u-L quote, too much discussion of something 'occult' (though the B-u-L) quote is highly occult. The Baha'i would consider just my past couple paragraphs too much discussion of other religions, and uncomfortable territory. Baha'is actually do not discuss any religious matters this deep.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
In the BF I noticed that verse, and the prior one, has much similarity to Buddhist teachings (esp. Tibetan) and also a few Hindu teachings, vis-a-vis the death moment. The Buddhists (esp. the Tibetans) consider the death moment to be very important and loaded with opportunity for future incarnational choice. They teach that one can get a higher, or lower next birth depending upon the state of the mind at the death moment. Thus a lot of Buddhism centers on conditioning one's self for that moment.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
Though I do not know why the poster mentioned B-u-L's portentious and highly occult "dying" quote, it does broach a number of things that are worth discussing relative to the Baha'i Faith. B-u-L also says another thing related to the death moment. To paraphrase it, he says that the whole point of religion is so that the jiva (soul, in Hinduism) will "get it right" at the moment of death and "ascend," I think he aid, "unsullied."
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
The Hindus have a more practical approach: It is not wise to leave everything until the "hour of death." It is much wiser to get the association with God here-now; to become conditioned to embrace the sat-chit-ananda here now; and perceive/embrace the divine light here-now. That is, one becomes associated with the experienced Deity here-now through meditation. This ensures that he thinks the right thoughts and takes the right inner approach during the death moment.
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
How often has B-u-L watched/observed what a "sinner" has done at his hour of death? How did B-u-L observe this? What is the "immortal draught"? (Have Baha'is ever even asked themselves that question? Throw throwing around these strange sentences?) Why has this flowery quotation even been posted. (I heard it often during my Baha'i times. Baha'is don't have the slightest curiosity about it.) It does bring up a few items, however...
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
During my 15 years as an active member of the Baha'i Faith I was one of the more avid readers of the Baha'i books and scriptures. In fact, I found a copy of the Kitab-i-Aqdas (Book of Laws) and was reading it many years before your "administration" admitted that it had been translated. As to "other religions," my guess is that you know very little about Hinduism, Hindu Yoga, Vedanta, the Yoga-Sutra, the Bhagavad-Gita, etc. Most Baha'is don't. I have also likely studied Sufism more than yourself.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
@DivineFellowship How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul's ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
At least Persians sing pretty. American Baha'i singers are crass.
Love Your People. Long live the Europeans. Long live the Iranians. May they never race-mix.
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DivineFellowship 2 months ago
This sounds like a hadith. I'm quite certain it does not appear in the Quran. Some Baha'is familiar with Islam would likely know.
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
Can someone tell me where Prophet Muhammad (saws) said, I need a proof please :
My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness.
sanagole 10 months ago
Can someone tell me where Prophet Muhammad (saws) said, I need a proof please :
My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness.
sanagole 10 months ago
Thank you. That sets the tone for this beautiful morning!
thurairasalingam 1 year ago
kojaye in harfa zendano edam dare
1986bahai 1 year ago
That's the whole point of the faith 0099wrestler.. A Progressive Revelation. All religions/faiths have the same purpose and message (to live a life that is pleasing to God).. The difference is the people and time in which that Manifestation of God (Prophet) appears
lalancemr 1 year ago
Beziar ziba, Mamnoon az shoma:-)
sayar119 1 year ago
Allah'u'Abha dear friend, is this chant in English or only in Farsi? if you can tell me where i can find it and or if it is transliterated any where? thank you
cosheldo 1 year ago
bessiar ziba
1986bahai 1 year ago
"Spirit of Truth" or Comforter predicted by Jesus in his farewell discourse of John 14-17 and the return of Christ prophecizes Bahaullah
Muhammad prophecized a mahdi which is fully characteristic with bahaullah See Sunan Abi Dawud: 11: 370
This is proof that Bahai Faith is gods religion
Bahaiforever 1 year ago
@Bahaiforever -- Yogananda taught that "the Comforter" refers to the divine sound of Aum heard within by God-seekers. Indeed, it is comforting. Nothing much comforting about the look of that scowling Baha'u'llah, or his many frightening and condemnatory fulminations! (Would ye not be of the Ignorant Cursed Horde!)
DivineFellowship 2 weeks ago
i am a bahai, n I know that all realigions meant for the good of the mankind, you cannot judge a religion by the act of its followers, we have had muslims who did great things, we had christians who did great things and so on... the holocost, the cursade and all those horrible dids of human where for their own being, their own self only, not their religion, religion was only a lable for their war... their put it onther religion's name to cover up the blood on their hands
helljason 1 year ago
Il y a des jours où , au lieu d etre une Maman en Suisse , j' aimerais être un Soufi dans l ancienne Perse et me promener dans ce jardin magnifique ! au fait quelqu un peut me dire dans quelle ville se trouve le jardin qui apparait dans cette vidéo ? merci.
yorgos25 1 year ago
Thank you! Praise be to God for such beauty!
mystico09 1 year ago
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GunaMalaysia 1 year ago
What Bahai Faith teaches is already found in the Bible and Qur'an. Mohammad's last speech said no new faith. That means a new messenger can come, but no new scriptures. The Qur'an, Chapter Two, The Cow, verses 8 - 20. There you will find Baha u llah, who says he is a peacemaker. There you will also read of your own peace making efforts.
0099wrestler 1 year ago
The Abundance of Good
[108.3] Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without posterity,
Examine the legacy of the Baha'i Faith and you will clearly see that your enemies are not the Baha'is. You should also look at the Ulama (the clergy) and the legacy they are leaving behind and decide who your true enemies are.
nemats 1 year ago 11
@nemats Qur'an says Mohammad is the Seal of the Prophets. Then tie together with his last speech means no new verses are to be written. But other messengers can come. Logic proves Bahai is false, logic proves I am a true messenger of God.
0099wrestler 1 year ago
@0099wrestler
The fact is, that nowhere in the Qur'an or in the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad is there mention of the "sealing" of Apostleship, precluding further Divine Revelation. But there are many references to the return of the Spirit of Jesus, which is in fact a prophecy both in Islam and Christianity. These prophecies are fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah, the Founder of the Baha'i Faith.
sinevred 1 year ago
@sinevred Its nice to learn about my brothers in humanity. I look forward to learning more about your faith. Insha Allah we can all contribute to make the world a better place.
Muhammad (saws) said to Ali (a.s.)''..you will be to me like Haroon to Musa... But there will be no prophet after me.”' This is one example of how we understand as muslims that Muhammad (saws) is the seal.
what is the concept of afterlife in the Bahai faith? do you believe in heaven and hell?
letsgetengaged 1 year ago
@letsgetengaged
Dear Friend, thank you for your kindness! Muhammad (saws) also reported to have said: "My successors after Me are God's proofs for the people of the earth. They are twelve. First one of them my brother and last of them will be my child. They asked: O Apostle of God who is your brother? He said Ali-ibn Abu Talib. They asked who is your child? He said: He is Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice, even if it is full of injustice and wretchedness."
sinevred 1 year ago
@letsgetengaged
Yes, Bahais believe in heaven and hell. The concept of heaven in the Bahai faith means "nearness to God", while hell means "remoteness from God". These can be conditions characterizing ones soul both in this life and the afterlife. The afterlife (world of the spirit) is not limited by time and space. Heaven and hell are not geographical locations, but symbolic concepts of very real conditions or stations of each individual soul in the afterlife.
sinevred 1 year ago
@0099wrestler Interesting. I'm looking that up right now in my copy of the Qur'an.
Katluver1991 1 year ago
@0099wrestler just some basic teaching of bahai faith: the abandonment of all forms of prejudice
assurance to women of full equality of opportunity with men
recognition of the unity and relativity of religious truth
the elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth
the responsibility of each person to independently search for truth
the establishment of a global commonwealth of nations and lot more... now can you tell me where in Quran or bible you can find these? you should read more!
aafrouz 8 months ago
@0099wrestler Qur'an 55:1-4 even states the name of the next book, the Bayan.
frankdearl 7 months ago
@0099wrestler -- But none of those other religions taught miscegenation, race-destruction, nation-destruction, or feminism. So the B. Faith is very unique. None of them taught that women become better mothers by having degrees in physics, etc. None of them taught that science and technology are good, and should be unconstrained (the opposite of the Babs/Baha's view). None of them taught that there's no such thing as family (masses of millions are your "family"). So the B. Faith is very unique.
DivineFellowship 2 months ago
The next several posts are in reply to the post from 'uglygoon30' who has a problem with the term 'new world order', abbreviated as 'NWO'...
soulfulady 1 year ago
Thank you so much for this chant recording. Some of the most beautiful words I have ever read and heard.
decayedove 1 year ago
God's thought is for the whole world be under the feet of Christ Jesus. Muhammad, Ali, Fatemeh, Hassan, Hussein and others are dead and buried. Christ lives. He should have pre-eminence ruling over our hearts.
moerfani 1 year ago
In the beginning of the prayer, isn't "Haqq" truth and not God?
HolyN0va 2 years ago
Dear HolyNOva,
The Truth is one hence the God therefore God is Haqq or Truth.
MrAristocrat991 2 years ago
im an atheist but i still think this sounds beautiful.
shimsham35 2 years ago
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You are more than welcomed to investigate Baha'i Religion, without a shade of prejudice. Have a open heart, and place your Trust in God. Please do. Thank you.
GunaMalaysia 2 years ago
if you read the holy book and understand it and the history of islam you would realise that its based on peace and wisdom, like every other religion
xxdreamstreet4lifexx 2 years ago
Or a bunch of bullshit, like every other religion.
brombie314 2 years ago
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GunaMalaysia 2 years ago
@xxdreamstreet4lifexx, yes it definitely is.
brilliant1990 2 years ago
I keep reading about how terrible the Muslims are. I know not every Muslim is an extremist. I am Jewish, but i'm not some corrupt capitolist, or penny pincher. Steriotypes are fucking stupid.
But I love religious music.
IronLion27 2 years ago 2
@IronLion27 - The very stereotypes and stigmas which you cite are painfully similar to the ones which are being ascribed to Muslims in this day.
Is it true that the Jewish community has at times been afflicted with persons of terrible character? Undoubtedly, and their actions have been most harmful to those among the Jews who have upright and good characters. The same is true absolutely for Muslims, who are afflicted with persons bearing the name without representing the teachings.
PeterJDeer 2 years ago
Peace to you brother.
GunaMalaysia 2 years ago
I am a bahá'í, as such, I believe in the truth of Islam. Can we judge and say Christianity is not real due to the horrors committed during the inquisition? No. Islam is one thing, and another very different thing are the shameful deeds of the so called followers of Islam who have separated themselves from the divinely revealed Guidance. We cannot judge a religion by the actions of its followers.
GavinciCode 2 years ago 25
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"We cannot judge a religion by the actions of its followers." But we can and must judge it by what it preaches:
Bigotted Bahai on buggery:
An "Immorality", "condemned in Baha'u'llah's writings ", "not a permissible way of life", An aberration subject to treatment."
Irate Islam on infidels Quran 8:12: "Instill terror in the hearts of the unbelievers"
Callous Christianity on coerced labour: "You may purchase slaves from the foreigners among you." Leviticus 25:44-46
fctchk 2 years ago
absolutley Beautiful, no words can express
greeley55 2 years ago 2
wonderful,thanks
jorj119 2 years ago
This is how you respond, by excusing the facts, these excuses are weak, it is called problem reaction solution, yea the world is a mess the people who created this mess are the same ones trying to create the solution to the problems they originally created, its a formula called problem reaction solution, I create a problem you react all of a sudden now I can come up with a solution that suits my original goal, which is the reason for the original problem, do you follow? Bahaism is a NWO project!
KilluminatiMujahad 2 years ago
I wont reply to your comment I just feel sorrow and prey for others to forgive you for your ignorance.
tbrowntpb 2 years ago
Dont feel sorry for me feel sorry for yourself, you guys cant answer me even if you wanted to. Feel sorry for the fact you guys are ignorantly and blindly following some wishful thinking ideas that will cause people like me when the time is right or $hit hit the fan to go nuts on every single one of you and every other New Age religion and we will go all out when this NWO starts, just watch the militia videos on youtube, are you guys ready, I don't think that Bahia card gets you into the bunkers
KilluminatiMujahad 2 years ago
They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy.
nemats 2 years ago 5
We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned.
They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices.
nemats 2 years ago
The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy.
Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require.
Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.
nemats 2 years ago
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Truth freaking hurts man, I used to be a Christian and it was hard accepting Sunni Islam as the ONLY true religion acceptable to the ONE and only God. Bahaism is run by Masons or theosophists or both, the leaders of the Bahai religion run it as a business and as a members only club any fool can join to feel like I fit in, I am part of something etc.. to give poison you must first wrap it up in some candy, I agree there is no distinction between races, there is only believers and non believers
KilluminatiMujahad 2 years ago
O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom .... By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor.
Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes. -- Baha'i Writings
nemats 2 years ago 11
@KilluminatiMujahad youve been brainwashed brother.
exclusivefresh 4 months ago
@KilluminatiMujahad youve been brainwashed brother.
exclusivefresh 4 months ago
@KilluminatiMujahad:
O SON OF SPIRIT!
My first counsel is this:
Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart,
that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.