In the Quran Iblis did however decieve Allah, by getting him to grant him respite till the day of Judgement before telling allah of his plans to decieve mankind. It was Allahs mistake, it was also Allah Mistake to make it appear Jesus was crucified on the Cross, thereby creating Christianity, and decieving the entire world for generations to come, damming billions to hell for it. If he was gonna send Jesus to correct the false belief, the end times is way to late.
@ahmalala If you like I can do an entire video explaining the subject to you. In Islam we believe in divine pre-destination and that this life is a test so even Satans rebellion was destined. The crii-fiction of Jesus was also a test. And the lies of Paul as he described in Romans 3:7 are clear evidence and a sign.
@VoyageIslam The Crucifixion, if it was a test, what kind of test could that be? Everyone, the Romans, the Jews, the Followers of Jesus, his disciples, believed he really died on the Cross. If this was a test, it cant be a fair one, billions till this day still believe it, except Muslims who believe Muhammad who said so 600 years later.
@VoyageIslam The Arabic word for Jesus is actually Yesu, not Isa, which is a syriac name for esau.
"The cruci-fiction was of Isa never happened. " All reputable historians say it did, The Quran says Allah made it appear to happen, which would be deception, a wrongful deception perpretated against all mankind.
@ahmalala Who cares what the Arabic word for Jesus is? The Qu'ran uses the word Isa. Name one Jewish historian who confirms the cruci-fiction. The opinion of Christian historians is irrelevant since:
1. No modern Christian was there.
2. Jesus never even met a Christian. It is a man made belief with no connection to its own prophet.
Consolidate your reply into one post or I will consider you a troller.
@VoyageIslam Its Not Christian Historians who say Jesus was in fact Crucified, They all do, even early ones like the Jewish historian Josephus, also Skeptics and enemies of Christianity like Tacitus and Bart Erhman. Its a fact of history universally accepted by historians, even the Jewish Talmud says he was executed. Nobody ever denied it not even the Quran which says it was Made to appear. It either happened or was the deception of Allah per the Quran. This should be my last post.
@ahma Why is there no Roman record of the cruci-ficton and and how can you be sure since none of his apostles were there? You can not accept the Jewish Talmud as confirmation of the cruci-fiction unless you accept it when it calls Jesus a liar and Christians dogs. Yes, Allah deceived the followers of Satan like Paul of Tarsus who in return deceived you (Romans 3:7) on Satans behalf. I suppose you did not explain the "War in heaven" because of space constraints. Feel free to follow up.
@VoyageIslam There is Roman records, Tacitus, Pliny,Celsus, where all romans who wrote of Christs crucifixion. The Romans even converted to Christianity which they would not have done if they had no record or memory of Jesus' crucifixion. Paul could not have made any his claims if Jesus had not been crucified nor his disciples. It makes no sense to argue against it. As for Romans 3:7, Read Romans 3:8 for full meaning. He spoke against deception for spreading truth.
Satan didnt decieve God in the Bible, your using Islamic theology which teaches satan was a Jinn, Satan in the Bible was an angel who along with other angels fell from heaven. This is why he was in heaven to begin with. Jinns or demons are not allowed in heaven even in islamic theology, so the islamic idea of satan being a Jinn in heaven makes no since, plus the quran says Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate to Adam, not the Angels and Jinn.
According to Christian philosophy Satan masqueraded as an angel and brought death into the world through Eve (a woman.) Jinns are a race older than the earth the Qu'ran testifies Iblis was amongst the angels however he was not an angel Allah always knew who he was. Christian dogma teaches that God did not know Satan would rebel so in that case what else is the God of the Bible oblivious of? In Christianity you teach man would live forever if Eve would not have sinned that is false.
@VoyageIslam No Satan possesed or took the form of a Serpent in Christian Mythology. The Serpent decieved Eve. Satan is presented as part of the Angelic host in the Book of Job, God allows him to test, and be an adversary to man. Therefore God knows what Satan will do and Satan only does what God has given him permission to do. In the Quran Iblis is a jinn and is kicked out for refusing to prostrate to Adam, yet is still there later to cause Adam to eat of the tree.
@ahmalala Did Satan deceive Eve before or after the war in heaven spoken about in the book of revelation? According o your book Satan deceived 1/3 of the angels why id the Biblical version of God expect Eve not to be deceived? Satan was not created as a test in Christian pedagogy he was created as an angel and later rebelled. Iblis has no power over Adam except to call.
@VoyageIslam Satan decieved Eve By Gods will, he command his own angels too by Gods permission. "Satan was not created as a test in Christian pedagogy" He was created for multiple reasons. In Job and revelations he is clearly described as under Gods control, God Chains him and releases him to decieve by his permission in the Book of Revelation.
@ahmalala STOP MULTI POSTING! No Christian teaches that Satan was allowed to deceive Eve.Christian pedagogy teaches that sin was brought into the world via Eve and if Eve would not have bitten the apple human beings would live forever in paradise. That is the philosophy of the Baptist Church I was raised in and the philosophy of every protestant group I know of. If you do not follow that pedagogy you need to define your belief so I will understand your position.
@VoyageIslam No, Christianity teaches Eve was decieved and she convinced Adam to eat as well and Sin entered the World through Man. It was Man(Adam) who was commanded not to eat of it. Im not aware of anyone teaching it entered through Eve.
As for Jeremiah 10 I responded to that in my first post, it refers to trees chopped down for its would and used to carve idols which are then overlayed with Gold and/or silver. This is the correct meaning.
@ahmalala Tell us about the "war in heaven" and explain why Satan was cast down to earth with two little naked people after he deceived both god and 1/3 of the angels. How was Eve supposed to resist a being that YOU claim warred against God himself? Is it o.k. to worship a tree in any form? What color is most tinsel and why?
@VoyageIslam He wasnt cast down with 2 people, thats Islam. Adam and eve where created on earth in the Bible. The War in Heaven mentioned in revelations may refer to something that already happened or may happen, It may also be metaphorical and refer to Humans decieved by Satan. Satan decieves many men. Who said Eve was supposed to resist him? Tree are never worshiped by chrisitans, aspects of Xmas came in modern times commercially.
@ahmalala No Islam does not teach Satan was cast down the Bible does do you really want me to teach you your book? Why do you say "may, may may"? What denomination are you you sound like Jews for Jesus.
@VoyageIslam Iblis was kicked out of Heaven in the Quran for refusing to prostrate to Adam, and then Adam and Eve where placed on earth after Iblis decieved them somehow even after being kicked out. Thats in the Quran, in the Bible they where created on earth to begin with.
Tacitus is a famous roman historian, he kept the record of Jesus' crucifixion, so did Paul and all the disciples of that time, Christianity could not have Grown without Jesus' Crucifixion. It was a known thing.
@ah Iblis refused to prostrate to Adam that was the ORIGINAL SIN. Christians teach that A WOMAN (Eve) committed the original sin which is a lie. Adam and Eve bit the apple in paradise not on earth. Because they were deceived by Iblis they were cast out. You will ask: why did Allah allow it to happen that's a combination of FREE WILL combined with divine predestination. Allah allows our actions to determine our fate BUT he already knows the outcome. Jesus OF NAZARETH was not crucified.
@VoyageIslam All Christians teach, the Bible itself teaches Adam committed the original Sin, your facts are sloppy and mistaken. Everything I believe can be Backed up by overwhelming evidence and the text itself, all Islamic beliefs on the other hand are based on complete blind faith and willful ignorance of all evidence and reason. Thats the difference. Peace and truth be with u someday
@ahmalala Who ate the fruit first according to Christianity? I do not know what you believe because unlike me you seem uncomfortable divulging your religious denomination.
Read the book called the 100 by Michal Hart (a Christian) and you will see even non-Muslims rate Muhammad as the most influential man in history Paul the founder of Christianity comes in number three I believe and way down the list is Jesus (who never even heard of your belief or practice.)
@VoyageIslam Muhammad was definitely a very influential person, no doubt about it. Influential is not a always positive thing, one can be a good influence and a Bad influence. Hitler was also on harts list, along with many other evil men. Muhammad is the influence of all Muslims and terrorist in the world. He has not been a positive influence, has much bad fruit even among his early followers and companions who warred/killed against eachother and hart is alone in his choice
@ahmalala Muhammad pbuh was a good influence according to YOUR own Bible. If the Bible is true the Quran can not possibly be from Satanic or a bad influence:
Quran 35:6
Verily satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.
@VoyageIslam Eve ate first but Adam brought Sin through his disobedience in agreeing to also eat. Any Christian would agree with me. This is what the text of Genesis plainly says, Jesus believed in the scriptures all of which predicted his coming and which came to fulfil.
@ahmalala If Eve ate first then woman brought sin into the world (according to you.) If Eve is not responsible according to Christianity why id Martin Luther say:
"We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman."
@VoyageIslam Doesnt matter what a man says, it matters what the scriptures say. I think he meant that a woman can sometimes have a lot of power to sedduce a man into sin. Says nothing about who brought sin into the world.
Satan can masquerade as an angel of Light even though hes a fallen angel. The Quran came via an alleged angel not Allah directly. So this alleged angel says he got it from God. But I give Satan more credit than being the author of the Quran. Its the product of man
@ahmalala If Satan can masquerade as an angel of light then it is feasible or even easier for him to marauder as a man on a cross. Many people say the Qu'ran is man made but not one person can point to what man made it and why. It would be easier if the Qu'ran had no original text and it had the words "AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION" scribbled across it like your Bible then we could definitely say the Qu'ran was man made but as we both know that is not the case.
@VoyageIslam Unfortunately according to the Quran it was Allah himself who made it appear Jesus was crucified not satan, so Allah of the quran is the deciever, al Makr. I see nothing impressive in the Quran, zero prophecy though the whole point of a prophet is to prophecy lol The Quran is a extremely repititive and jumbled text, with little or no context and not self sufficient but dependent on countless hadiths(hearsays)
@ahmalala The Qu'ran never says that. I was following your line of thought I never confirmed it was Qu'ran. The context of the Qu'ran is provided in whats called Seerah and tafseer if you did not know that no offense you know 0% about Islam. I was Christian 26 years how long were you Muslim?
@VoyageIslam The Quran is dependent upon the authentic hadiths and Sira's. Tafsirs are for scholarly interpretations. The problem with that is that unlike the previous scriptures, the Quran is not self sufficient. However, the Sira's provide alot of interesting info and context regarding the various Ayas of the Quran. Expecially those of Ibn Ishaq and Al tabari. I never became Muslim given all the knowledge and critical analysis of Islam. It doesnt hold up to much scrutiny.
@ahmalala To say the Qu'ran being magnified by the Ahadith (the Prophets sayings) and Seerah (his history) is logical since Jesus who you say was God was dependent upon Peter (who was Satan according to Matthew 16:23.) and Paul of Tarsus who admitted being a liar in Romans 3:7. You have red letter Bibles full of so much "hamburger helper" that entire pages go by with not one direct word of Jesus but instead words of the disciples who forsook Jesus and fled Matthew 26:55-56.
@VoyageIslam In Romans 3:7-9 Pauls admits to never using a lie to promote faith and truth. He in these verses condemns lying, unless u just wanna read verse 7 apart from 8 and lose the whole context lol
The Disciples where all falliable humans, unlike Jesus who was perfect and sinless. Through Jesus they found the way and learned to imitate him who is perfect. No other man should be ever imitated or looked as an ideal example.
None of this has explains why you plant a tree in your living room but Paul who never met Jesus except in a hallucination on the road to Damascus killed disciples of Jesus in an effort to wipe out the words of that prophet. Who killed more Christians Paul or Muhammad? Muhammad defended himself against people trying to kill him but Paul killed for fun.
Your 2nd paragraph is totally foreign to any thing Jesus ever said bout his disciples who fled from him with "little faith."
@VoyageIslam As far as hallucinations are concerned we have good reasons to be believe Muhammad suffered hallucinations, specifically temporal lobe epilipsy, Muhammad had all the exact symptons and even according to his youngest wife suffered delusions in which he would believe himself doing things that never happened.
Jesus never married but he taught us that we can choose to marry or not, only certain people are capable of it.
Muhammad established Islam in 25 years he was successful Jesus however left this earth with his own disciples like Peter denying him. Sickness did not produce Islam but it did produce Paul's religion, Christianity:
@VoyageIslam Muhammad was not very successful, his sudden death left no assigned leader and all of his early followers killed eacthother in many bloody battles, his successors where all murdered by other Muslims, many apostated and wars had to be fought against ending the apostacy's. Jesus accomplished and fulfilled his mission in 3 years, never had to lift a sword. All his disciples had his ressurection confirmed by Jesus' appearance to them. They where all apostles of peace.
@VoyageIslam Some of his apostles had little faith while they where yet learning and growing in faith, its called being Human. This is a good thing and shows they didnt just automatically have blind faith but later gained true faith, unlike some other people. Saul captured and killed the some people once, Paul(the Born again) by the grace of God through Jesus saw the light and gained salvation. For people who celebrate commercial xmas its not a sin and theres no evidence that it is
You said: "Some of his apostles had little faith while they where yet learning and growing in faith, its called being Human. This is a good thing and shows they didnt just automatically have blind faith but later gained true faith, unlike some other people."
Typical Christian instant philosophy no Bible needed just add two cups of holy water a pinch of malarkey and shake well. You say you follow Jesus example so did Jesus believe in Santa Claus?
Jesus was the Jewish Messiah who would bring the Final covenant with the Jews and the Whole world(gentiles). He followed the One and only Laws of God, there could never be another prophet after him bringing an entirely new law and rituals etc
The Christmas tree was a never a pagan idea, the only evidence that can even be used to support such an idea is a misinterpreted passage in the Book of Jeremiah which speak of trees being cut down for there wood, from which idol are carved and overlayed with silver or Gold. The Christmas tree is in fact, a secular commercial idea which even Jews have adopted, they have there own version of it called a Hannukah Bush. They know trees where never used as such by pagans.
Tree worship (dendrolatry) refers to the tendency of many societies throughout history to worship or otherwise mythologize trees. Trees have played an important
@VoyageIslam I viewed that page, but didnt specifically find any examples which would specifically show the Idea of a Christmas tree being copied from paganism, as the site mentions, many societies had a tendancy to worship or MYTHOLOGISE trees or a tree like the tree mentioned in the Garden of Eden or trees just happened to be mentioned etc In any case Christians dont worship a tree any more than Muslims worship the Black stone which was in fact a common pagan object of veneration.
@VoyageIslam I Never said the Christmas tree was Christian or religiously based, In fact I said it was a later secular and commercial innovation which came about in modern times through commercialism. That being said, I dont believe there is anything intrinsically wrong with it and neither do Jews who have developed there own version called the Hannukah Bush.
Sacred Stone which fell from the sky however where very common among Pagans and expressly forbidden in the law of Moses
@VoyageIslam It is a Christian holiday. Christians claim it is the birthday of 'Isa (PBUH). Whether this is true or not is not the moot issue... the problem is materialism, and all this Santa/Frosty/Reindeer stuff, like you said in the video.
@jushyosaha604 Many Christians in America do not recognize Christmas anymore and as I pointed out in the video even by the Christian Bible the holiday is pagan.
In the Quran Iblis did however decieve Allah, by getting him to grant him respite till the day of Judgement before telling allah of his plans to decieve mankind. It was Allahs mistake, it was also Allah Mistake to make it appear Jesus was crucified on the Cross, thereby creating Christianity, and decieving the entire world for generations to come, damming billions to hell for it. If he was gonna send Jesus to correct the false belief, the end times is way to late.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala If you like I can do an entire video explaining the subject to you. In Islam we believe in divine pre-destination and that this life is a test so even Satans rebellion was destined. The crii-fiction of Jesus was also a test. And the lies of Paul as he described in Romans 3:7 are clear evidence and a sign.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam The Crucifixion, if it was a test, what kind of test could that be? Everyone, the Romans, the Jews, the Followers of Jesus, his disciples, believed he really died on the Cross. If this was a test, it cant be a fair one, billions till this day still believe it, except Muslims who believe Muhammad who said so 600 years later.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala STOP MULTI POSTING! The cruci-fiction was of Isa never happened. Why would God kill one man for something other people did?
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam The Arabic word for Jesus is actually Yesu, not Isa, which is a syriac name for esau.
"The cruci-fiction was of Isa never happened. " All reputable historians say it did, The Quran says Allah made it appear to happen, which would be deception, a wrongful deception perpretated against all mankind.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala Who cares what the Arabic word for Jesus is? The Qu'ran uses the word Isa. Name one Jewish historian who confirms the cruci-fiction. The opinion of Christian historians is irrelevant since:
1. No modern Christian was there.
2. Jesus never even met a Christian. It is a man made belief with no connection to its own prophet.
Consolidate your reply into one post or I will consider you a troller.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam Its Not Christian Historians who say Jesus was in fact Crucified, They all do, even early ones like the Jewish historian Josephus, also Skeptics and enemies of Christianity like Tacitus and Bart Erhman. Its a fact of history universally accepted by historians, even the Jewish Talmud says he was executed. Nobody ever denied it not even the Quran which says it was Made to appear. It either happened or was the deception of Allah per the Quran. This should be my last post.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahma Why is there no Roman record of the cruci-ficton and and how can you be sure since none of his apostles were there? You can not accept the Jewish Talmud as confirmation of the cruci-fiction unless you accept it when it calls Jesus a liar and Christians dogs. Yes, Allah deceived the followers of Satan like Paul of Tarsus who in return deceived you (Romans 3:7) on Satans behalf. I suppose you did not explain the "War in heaven" because of space constraints. Feel free to follow up.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam There is Roman records, Tacitus, Pliny,Celsus, where all romans who wrote of Christs crucifixion. The Romans even converted to Christianity which they would not have done if they had no record or memory of Jesus' crucifixion. Paul could not have made any his claims if Jesus had not been crucified nor his disciples. It makes no sense to argue against it. As for Romans 3:7, Read Romans 3:8 for full meaning. He spoke against deception for spreading truth.
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala Not one Roman record records Jesus of Nazareth killed. And not one of his disciples witnessed this so their words do not count.
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
Satan didnt decieve God in the Bible, your using Islamic theology which teaches satan was a Jinn, Satan in the Bible was an angel who along with other angels fell from heaven. This is why he was in heaven to begin with. Jinns or demons are not allowed in heaven even in islamic theology, so the islamic idea of satan being a Jinn in heaven makes no since, plus the quran says Allah commanded the Angels to prostrate to Adam, not the Angels and Jinn.
ahmalala 3 days ago
According to Christian philosophy Satan masqueraded as an angel and brought death into the world through Eve (a woman.) Jinns are a race older than the earth the Qu'ran testifies Iblis was amongst the angels however he was not an angel Allah always knew who he was. Christian dogma teaches that God did not know Satan would rebel so in that case what else is the God of the Bible oblivious of? In Christianity you teach man would live forever if Eve would not have sinned that is false.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam No Satan possesed or took the form of a Serpent in Christian Mythology. The Serpent decieved Eve. Satan is presented as part of the Angelic host in the Book of Job, God allows him to test, and be an adversary to man. Therefore God knows what Satan will do and Satan only does what God has given him permission to do. In the Quran Iblis is a jinn and is kicked out for refusing to prostrate to Adam, yet is still there later to cause Adam to eat of the tree.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala Did Satan deceive Eve before or after the war in heaven spoken about in the book of revelation? According o your book Satan deceived 1/3 of the angels why id the Biblical version of God expect Eve not to be deceived? Satan was not created as a test in Christian pedagogy he was created as an angel and later rebelled. Iblis has no power over Adam except to call.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam Satan decieved Eve By Gods will, he command his own angels too by Gods permission. "Satan was not created as a test in Christian pedagogy" He was created for multiple reasons. In Job and revelations he is clearly described as under Gods control, God Chains him and releases him to decieve by his permission in the Book of Revelation.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala STOP MULTI POSTING! No Christian teaches that Satan was allowed to deceive Eve.Christian pedagogy teaches that sin was brought into the world via Eve and if Eve would not have bitten the apple human beings would live forever in paradise. That is the philosophy of the Baptist Church I was raised in and the philosophy of every protestant group I know of. If you do not follow that pedagogy you need to define your belief so I will understand your position.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam No, Christianity teaches Eve was decieved and she convinced Adam to eat as well and Sin entered the World through Man. It was Man(Adam) who was commanded not to eat of it. Im not aware of anyone teaching it entered through Eve.
As for Jeremiah 10 I responded to that in my first post, it refers to trees chopped down for its would and used to carve idols which are then overlayed with Gold and/or silver. This is the correct meaning.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala Tell us about the "war in heaven" and explain why Satan was cast down to earth with two little naked people after he deceived both god and 1/3 of the angels. How was Eve supposed to resist a being that YOU claim warred against God himself? Is it o.k. to worship a tree in any form? What color is most tinsel and why?
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam He wasnt cast down with 2 people, thats Islam. Adam and eve where created on earth in the Bible. The War in Heaven mentioned in revelations may refer to something that already happened or may happen, It may also be metaphorical and refer to Humans decieved by Satan. Satan decieves many men. Who said Eve was supposed to resist him? Tree are never worshiped by chrisitans, aspects of Xmas came in modern times commercially.
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala No Islam does not teach Satan was cast down the Bible does do you really want me to teach you your book? Why do you say "may, may may"? What denomination are you you sound like Jews for Jesus.
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
@VoyageIslam Iblis was kicked out of Heaven in the Quran for refusing to prostrate to Adam, and then Adam and Eve where placed on earth after Iblis decieved them somehow even after being kicked out. Thats in the Quran, in the Bible they where created on earth to begin with.
Tacitus is a famous roman historian, he kept the record of Jesus' crucifixion, so did Paul and all the disciples of that time, Christianity could not have Grown without Jesus' Crucifixion. It was a known thing.
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ah Iblis refused to prostrate to Adam that was the ORIGINAL SIN. Christians teach that A WOMAN (Eve) committed the original sin which is a lie. Adam and Eve bit the apple in paradise not on earth. Because they were deceived by Iblis they were cast out. You will ask: why did Allah allow it to happen that's a combination of FREE WILL combined with divine predestination. Allah allows our actions to determine our fate BUT he already knows the outcome. Jesus OF NAZARETH was not crucified.
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
@VoyageIslam All Christians teach, the Bible itself teaches Adam committed the original Sin, your facts are sloppy and mistaken. Everything I believe can be Backed up by overwhelming evidence and the text itself, all Islamic beliefs on the other hand are based on complete blind faith and willful ignorance of all evidence and reason. Thats the difference. Peace and truth be with u someday
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala Who ate the fruit first according to Christianity? I do not know what you believe because unlike me you seem uncomfortable divulging your religious denomination.
Read the book called the 100 by Michal Hart (a Christian) and you will see even non-Muslims rate Muhammad as the most influential man in history Paul the founder of Christianity comes in number three I believe and way down the list is Jesus (who never even heard of your belief or practice.)
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
@VoyageIslam Muhammad was definitely a very influential person, no doubt about it. Influential is not a always positive thing, one can be a good influence and a Bad influence. Hitler was also on harts list, along with many other evil men. Muhammad is the influence of all Muslims and terrorist in the world. He has not been a positive influence, has much bad fruit even among his early followers and companions who warred/killed against eachother and hart is alone in his choice
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala Muhammad pbuh was a good influence according to YOUR own Bible. If the Bible is true the Quran can not possibly be from Satanic or a bad influence:
Quran 35:6
Verily satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.
Mark 3:26
And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
@VoyageIslam Eve ate first but Adam brought Sin through his disobedience in agreeing to also eat. Any Christian would agree with me. This is what the text of Genesis plainly says, Jesus believed in the scriptures all of which predicted his coming and which came to fulfil.
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala If Eve ate first then woman brought sin into the world (according to you.) If Eve is not responsible according to Christianity why id Martin Luther say:
"We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman."
[Martin Luther founder of the protestant Church
VoyageIslam 2 days ago
@VoyageIslam Doesnt matter what a man says, it matters what the scriptures say. I think he meant that a woman can sometimes have a lot of power to sedduce a man into sin. Says nothing about who brought sin into the world.
Satan can masquerade as an angel of Light even though hes a fallen angel. The Quran came via an alleged angel not Allah directly. So this alleged angel says he got it from God. But I give Satan more credit than being the author of the Quran. Its the product of man
ahmalala 2 days ago
@ahmalala If Satan can masquerade as an angel of light then it is feasible or even easier for him to marauder as a man on a cross. Many people say the Qu'ran is man made but not one person can point to what man made it and why. It would be easier if the Qu'ran had no original text and it had the words "AUTHORIZED KING JAMES VERSION" scribbled across it like your Bible then we could definitely say the Qu'ran was man made but as we both know that is not the case.
VoyageIslam 1 day ago
@VoyageIslam Unfortunately according to the Quran it was Allah himself who made it appear Jesus was crucified not satan, so Allah of the quran is the deciever, al Makr. I see nothing impressive in the Quran, zero prophecy though the whole point of a prophet is to prophecy lol The Quran is a extremely repititive and jumbled text, with little or no context and not self sufficient but dependent on countless hadiths(hearsays)
ahmalala 1 day ago
@ahmalala The Qu'ran never says that. I was following your line of thought I never confirmed it was Qu'ran. The context of the Qu'ran is provided in whats called Seerah and tafseer if you did not know that no offense you know 0% about Islam. I was Christian 26 years how long were you Muslim?
VoyageIslam 1 day ago
@VoyageIslam The Quran is dependent upon the authentic hadiths and Sira's. Tafsirs are for scholarly interpretations. The problem with that is that unlike the previous scriptures, the Quran is not self sufficient. However, the Sira's provide alot of interesting info and context regarding the various Ayas of the Quran. Expecially those of Ibn Ishaq and Al tabari. I never became Muslim given all the knowledge and critical analysis of Islam. It doesnt hold up to much scrutiny.
ahmalala 1 day ago
@ahmalala To say the Qu'ran being magnified by the Ahadith (the Prophets sayings) and Seerah (his history) is logical since Jesus who you say was God was dependent upon Peter (who was Satan according to Matthew 16:23.) and Paul of Tarsus who admitted being a liar in Romans 3:7. You have red letter Bibles full of so much "hamburger helper" that entire pages go by with not one direct word of Jesus but instead words of the disciples who forsook Jesus and fled Matthew 26:55-56.
VoyageIslam 1 day ago
@VoyageIslam In Romans 3:7-9 Pauls admits to never using a lie to promote faith and truth. He in these verses condemns lying, unless u just wanna read verse 7 apart from 8 and lose the whole context lol
The Disciples where all falliable humans, unlike Jesus who was perfect and sinless. Through Jesus they found the way and learned to imitate him who is perfect. No other man should be ever imitated or looked as an ideal example.
ahmalala 1 day ago
None of this has explains why you plant a tree in your living room but Paul who never met Jesus except in a hallucination on the road to Damascus killed disciples of Jesus in an effort to wipe out the words of that prophet. Who killed more Christians Paul or Muhammad? Muhammad defended himself against people trying to kill him but Paul killed for fun.
Your 2nd paragraph is totally foreign to any thing Jesus ever said bout his disciples who fled from him with "little faith."
VoyageIslam 20 hours ago
@VoyageIslam I know I shouldn't double post but if Jesus is the example why do you marry when he never married????
VoyageIslam 20 hours ago
@VoyageIslam As far as hallucinations are concerned we have good reasons to be believe Muhammad suffered hallucinations, specifically temporal lobe epilipsy, Muhammad had all the exact symptons and even according to his youngest wife suffered delusions in which he would believe himself doing things that never happened.
Jesus never married but he taught us that we can choose to marry or not, only certain people are capable of it.
ahmalala 11 hours ago
@ahmalala
Muhammad established Islam in 25 years he was successful Jesus however left this earth with his own disciples like Peter denying him. Sickness did not produce Islam but it did produce Paul's religion, Christianity:
Galatians 4:13
New International Version (NIV)
As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you,
VoyageIslam 9 hours ago
@VoyageIslam Muhammad was not very successful, his sudden death left no assigned leader and all of his early followers killed eacthother in many bloody battles, his successors where all murdered by other Muslims, many apostated and wars had to be fought against ending the apostacy's. Jesus accomplished and fulfilled his mission in 3 years, never had to lift a sword. All his disciples had his ressurection confirmed by Jesus' appearance to them. They where all apostles of peace.
ahmalala 3 hours ago
@VoyageIslam Some of his apostles had little faith while they where yet learning and growing in faith, its called being Human. This is a good thing and shows they didnt just automatically have blind faith but later gained true faith, unlike some other people. Saul captured and killed the some people once, Paul(the Born again) by the grace of God through Jesus saw the light and gained salvation. For people who celebrate commercial xmas its not a sin and theres no evidence that it is
ahmalala 11 hours ago
@ahmalala
You said: "Some of his apostles had little faith while they where yet learning and growing in faith, its called being Human. This is a good thing and shows they didnt just automatically have blind faith but later gained true faith, unlike some other people."
Typical Christian instant philosophy no Bible needed just add two cups of holy water a pinch of malarkey and shake well. You say you follow Jesus example so did Jesus believe in Santa Claus?
VoyageIslam 10 hours ago
Jesus was the Jewish Messiah who would bring the Final covenant with the Jews and the Whole world(gentiles). He followed the One and only Laws of God, there could never be another prophet after him bringing an entirely new law and rituals etc
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala Islam is not new Islam means submission to Allah and it was the religion of Jesus.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
The Christmas tree was a never a pagan idea, the only evidence that can even be used to support such an idea is a misinterpreted passage in the Book of Jeremiah which speak of trees being cut down for there wood, from which idol are carved and overlayed with silver or Gold. The Christmas tree is in fact, a secular commercial idea which even Jews have adopted, they have there own version of it called a Hannukah Bush. They know trees where never used as such by pagans.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala
Tree worship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tree worship (dendrolatry) refers to the tendency of many societies throughout history to worship or otherwise mythologize trees. Trees have played an important
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam I viewed that page, but didnt specifically find any examples which would specifically show the Idea of a Christmas tree being copied from paganism, as the site mentions, many societies had a tendancy to worship or MYTHOLOGISE trees or a tree like the tree mentioned in the Garden of Eden or trees just happened to be mentioned etc In any case Christians dont worship a tree any more than Muslims worship the Black stone which was in fact a common pagan object of veneration.
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala
The Christmas tree is pagan:
1. Because Christmas is a pagan holiday never observed by Jesus or any prophet.
2. Jesus never used a Christmas tree.
3. If you do not worship the tree why are you defending it?
4.The black stone is little more than a marker. I do not have one in my house.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam I Never said the Christmas tree was Christian or religiously based, In fact I said it was a later secular and commercial innovation which came about in modern times through commercialism. That being said, I dont believe there is anything intrinsically wrong with it and neither do Jews who have developed there own version called the Hannukah Bush.
Sacred Stone which fell from the sky however where very common among Pagans and expressly forbidden in the law of Moses
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala If it is not Christian why do you use it?
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
@VoyageIslam Its not forbidden. Doesnt matter if we choose to use it or not, I personally dont both it not an issue at all
ahmalala 3 days ago
@ahmalala If it is not an issue explain Jeremiah Chapter 10 verses 2-5.
VoyageIslam 3 days ago
Christians don't even know their own religion, doesn't surprise me they can't even celebrate X-mas.
CHRISTIANABUSED 1 week ago
Mashallah, great video brother... Very informative
IsaAlKitaab 2 months ago
@IsaAlKitaab All-praises to jazak'Allah khairan for watching.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
We should be respectful of all religions and cultures... at the same time, materialism etc have taking over recently.
jushyosaha604 2 months ago
@jushyosaha604 *Have been taking over
jushyosaha604 2 months ago
@jushyosaha604 What does Christmas have to do with religion?
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
@VoyageIslam It is a Christian holiday. Christians claim it is the birthday of 'Isa (PBUH). Whether this is true or not is not the moot issue... the problem is materialism, and all this Santa/Frosty/Reindeer stuff, like you said in the video.
jushyosaha604 2 months ago
@jushyosaha604 Many Christians in America do not recognize Christmas anymore and as I pointed out in the video even by the Christian Bible the holiday is pagan.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
Agreed. Salaam, brother. Thank you for the good videos.
kikikikia 2 months ago
@kikikikia Wa salam.
VoyageIslam 2 months ago
KAFR TREE!! LOL
madhatter536 2 months ago
thanks alot for the truth man
dicksonaaron 2 months ago