@PainKiller1773 I did not. I do know that Tuesday morning when I went to visit my dad in Eau Claire their was about 60 vehicles wrecked or in the ditch between Baldwin and Eau Claire
@FFbosmoe Cool. Do you know a Joseph Link or somethin like that. Ur not far from me then. i LOVE NEW RICHMOND thetre. my mom works at the WITC, and she did ambulance for BoyceVille fo 10 yrs
@PainKiller1773 The name sounds real familiar (I haven't worked their in about 6 years or so, only worked their about a year when I first got EMT certified.) Thats cool your mom worked for Boyceville, I have never heard of that town before except on a mutual aid call I seen their trucks their. Still don't know where it is haha. I run with Somerset now.
Americans need to learn how to drive on ice. They think that can blast across the ice like nothing will happen. We canadians know better. They need to get lessons from us
@Senicova how so? at least we know what a "signal light" is and how to use it. and i hear teen car crashes is the leading cause of death there? nope. not here
@greenzoid2 no thats just a problem, but you may be right, i dont know. From what i heard, Its stupid teens thinking that they are all high and mighty now that they have their OWN liscence and their OWN car and that nothing will happen if they just blast around like they are immune to the bad.
@thegoodkid8181 well u also gotta consider the old heads that think they got priorities on the road, where they tail gate you and go blazing speed cuz they think they old enuff and they got exp to drive like they are nascar drivers. XD
@Senicova where have you been in Canada? Any big city will have dumbasses who think they are more important than others, there will always be bad driving there.
i would mostly say...that guy that can't drive in snow..this one too and this one..this one ..oh and that one that can't drive and use us as a stopper
thats in wisconsin i can tell by the state patrol cars. A couple winters ago i was involve in a similar type accident on christmas eve where several cars went off the road. thankfully a snowbank brought us to a stop so no one was hurt.
"K, Got a car up there, theres that car, that car, that car, police car, got that car over there, theres a car, theres a car...???, theres all the traffic... yeah."
@TrueHipHopHead1 yeah theyre fucking morons for not buying a car with awd. because you must KNOW that they ALL had the money at the time they bought their shitty fwd cars to pay for awd. and its not like ANY of them could be from out of town, and not be used to the weather conditions. oh, and it must be IMPOSSIBLE for them to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that no one could have maybe skidded out in front of them causing them to crash.
you see....theres this thing called being american and not knowing how to drive a car in snow as well. My dad does better then any awd car with his grand caravan. yeah moron.
I already lived someting like that, but there was no snow, it was rain and it turn into ice so much quickly, we were going at 20 mph on a Highway. there was car at every 500 meters on the side of the road, or accident. we saw a truck rolled over in front of us !
Snow isn't that hard to drive in. You just have to pay attention, and, you know, not be complete fucking retard and jack it up for everyone around you. Not saying this guy caused it, but someone did.
Your absolutly righ I lived in northern Connecticut for sevral years and I owned a honda civic, and I drove in weather like that all the time with no problems at all but you get thoes jockeys with there 4 wheel drive trucks want to test the limit and haul ass on a day like that and totaly trash there cars and everyone else around them....
Inconsiderate people are annoying. Yeah, I live in New Mexico, but I often travel to and from Colorado, and I drive a Ford F-250 super duty. No problems whatsoever, because I'm not an idiot.
lol not only u gotta know how to drive u also need to service ur car properly, i work at midas and some ppl only service 1 side of brakes bcuz there being cheap. so that wud cause that 1 side to brake better and ur car is gona pull in that direction :P
They can't even drive straight on snow hahah what will happen if they have to drive in the mountains LOL Come to Switzerland we'll show you how it should be done.
That Wisconsin, it has the worst winters around and that right there is a Wisconsin state trooper and they deal with alot shit with these cars during the winter time...
dude it's extremely easy to drive in the snow and not crash. just go slow and leave enough space between you and the car in front of you. most people spin out and crash on snow because they don't know how to drive on snow. they go too fast and they drive too close together.
i used 2 live in canada, its extremely easy 2 drive in snow. as long as ur not doin like 100 kmph (60 mph) n uve got good tyres, nothing shud b an issue. whevr i used 2 drive 2 the states though, ppl r always crashing :P
and people in other countries freak when it snows. here we are just like, eh, fuck it. i can make it. and we do. better in a rwd car than you can in an awd one.
awd is like a subaru where its on all the time. 4wd is like a pickup truck where you can turn it on when you need it to get out of the mud, go off road, and turn it off to get some semblance of better gas mileage.
and the one who makes the movie blocked the traffic, we call this people in germany "gaffer". this people are dangerous becouse they block the work of policeman and emerganciepeople only to make pictures and movies.
i meant to type ... "thanks for the news flash Walter Cronkite"
that's like the most famous news guy i know of :)
i thought the film makers commentary was kind of funny & not very informative since he was so vague. it was making me giggle since he said the same thing over and over again. but he had to say something right? it was pretty funny :)
Lol I liked this video. Idk why, but its cool. Shouldn't have been posted on Youtube, tho, it shoulda been kept between friends. HENCE THE LOW RATINGS!
4wd only improves your acceleration. It does NOTHING to help your brakes.
The weight of your vehicle makes a difference, but not as much as staying a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of you. Can't count the number of times an SUV has tailgated my mustang while going down a hill...
haha, i know what you mean. I live in eastern Canada, A LOT of snow. I used to drive this tiny shitty Mazda Protege, and it seemed to be everywhere i went i'd be being tailgated by some rich person in their SUV, talking on a phone and barely paying attention to me. And as some people may not know, front wheel drives are great in winter, i would leave for work at 4 in the morning with 1 - 1.5 feet of snow on the ground and make it no problem :D
People dont crash because they dont have 4wd, they just get stuck maybe.. adjusting speed is the most important factor..
Here in Norway "rich" people drive around in huge 4wd cars in oslo(capital) all year and on winter with stud tires fucking upp our air in the city just so they can get to their cabin twice a year..
I visit these people sometimes and borrow their cabin (thank you) and i get there perfectly fine with my Bmw 540 RWD with studless tires.
People dont crash because they dont have 4wd, they just get stuck maybe.. adjusting speed is the most important factor..
Here in Norway "rich" people drive around in huge 4wd cars in oslo(capital) all year and on winter with stud tires fucking upp our air in the city just so they can get to their cabin twice a year..
I visit these people sometimes and borrow their cabin (thank you) and i get there perfectly fine with my Bmw 540 RWD with studless tires.
Thanks for recording that, the more I see these types of videos and cars crashing in the snow, it makes me wonder why people EVER drive in the snow at ALL. I know I NEVER will drive when it is out like that. Hope their insurance covered the costs.
I hope the Tiburon that passed you didnt get harmed :)
HazewinDog 1 month ago
I'm from mn! Our roads suck dick haha and the drivers are worse
Sorrows777 1 month ago
that car, this car, another car, Yeah.!!
josueveraazar 2 months ago
ただの野次馬?
tobemade 5 months ago
This is what happens when you dont equip nokias wintertires.
kaahaajaFIN 7 months ago
Nother car Nother car Nother car
lumpysanta 8 months ago
this is what i saw on january 5th in Minnesota
rocketman5989 10 months ago
YEAH FUCK YEAH HERE IN GOOD OLD WISCONSIN
PainKiller1773 1 year ago
94 always sucks when it snows
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
@FFbosmoe yes it does we get 2 inches of snoo, did ya here about the guy that was killed on new years eve. sad struck by a semi
PainKiller1773 1 year ago
@PainKiller1773 I did not. I do know that Tuesday morning when I went to visit my dad in Eau Claire their was about 60 vehicles wrecked or in the ditch between Baldwin and Eau Claire
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
@FFbosmoe where do ya live around here cus i live Glenwood City, about 23 miles from menomone
PainKiller1773 1 year ago
@PainKiller1773 New Richmond. I used to run EMS with Baldwin so I've had my fair share of experiences on 94 haha.
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
@FFbosmoe Cool. Do you know a Joseph Link or somethin like that. Ur not far from me then. i LOVE NEW RICHMOND thetre. my mom works at the WITC, and she did ambulance for BoyceVille fo 10 yrs
PainKiller1773 1 year ago
@PainKiller1773 The name sounds real familiar (I haven't worked their in about 6 years or so, only worked their about a year when I first got EMT certified.) Thats cool your mom worked for Boyceville, I have never heard of that town before except on a mutual aid call I seen their trucks their. Still don't know where it is haha. I run with Somerset now.
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
@FFbosmoe well cool, yeah anyways, good luck and be safe when your on call
PainKiller1773 1 year ago
@PainKiller1773 Did you have fun at Lutsen? I assume you went for the snow park? I've never been there but plan on it this winter
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
@PainKiller1773 Hahaha. They had to shut 'er down again today and we only got like three inches.
FFbosmoe 1 year ago
where the FUCK you were?
shoto131211 1 year ago
Some people don't knowhow to drive in winter.
1988deef 1 year ago
@1988deef Some people don't have common sense.
Wildmnky247 1 year ago
The buick probably cause the whole thing!
Senicova 1 year ago
Americans need to learn how to drive on ice. They think that can blast across the ice like nothing will happen. We canadians know better. They need to get lessons from us
thegoodkid8181 1 year ago
@thegoodkid8181 Ive been to Canada, you people can't drive much better..
Senicova 1 year ago
@Senicova how so? at least we know what a "signal light" is and how to use it. and i hear teen car crashes is the leading cause of death there? nope. not here
thegoodkid8181 1 year ago
@thegoodkid8181 I think obesity is the leading cause down in America.
greenzoid2 1 year ago
@greenzoid2 no thats just a problem, but you may be right, i dont know. From what i heard, Its stupid teens thinking that they are all high and mighty now that they have their OWN liscence and their OWN car and that nothing will happen if they just blast around like they are immune to the bad.
thegoodkid8181 1 year ago
@thegoodkid8181 well u also gotta consider the old heads that think they got priorities on the road, where they tail gate you and go blazing speed cuz they think they old enuff and they got exp to drive like they are nascar drivers. XD
Lokkon00X 1 year ago
@Senicova where have you been in Canada? Any big city will have dumbasses who think they are more important than others, there will always be bad driving there.
greenzoid2 1 year ago
@serverguyxx i am allowed to express my opinion on youtube...or...uhh...pun...or...nevermind you get the point.
sizmbr 1 year ago
CAN ANYONE SAY LAWSUIT??
MrPsychadelichippy27 1 year ago
i would mostly say...that guy that can't drive in snow..this one too and this one..this one ..oh and that one that can't drive and use us as a stopper
NextSLDNX 1 year ago
@serverguyxx Yea he is!
NWSrecycle 1 year ago
thats in wisconsin i can tell by the state patrol cars. A couple winters ago i was involve in a similar type accident on christmas eve where several cars went off the road. thankfully a snowbank brought us to a stop so no one was hurt.
joelsberry 1 year ago
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joelsberry 1 year ago
fake n gay
Infuse16 1 year ago
@Infuse16 u must be fake and gay if thats all u can think of
armymatt83 1 year ago
@Infuse16 oh thats right 19yrold dumbasses know everything is fake and gay
armymatt83 1 year ago
"K, Got a car up there, theres that car, that car, that car, police car, got that car over there, theres a car, theres a car...???, theres all the traffic... yeah."
lol, all of that is a bit obvious.
fatdudewh33lchair 1 year ago
lol!
TeamHeavySuck 1 year ago
What does being American have to do with not driving in the snow well? Stupid.
vsboyy25 1 year ago
Here a car there a car everywhere a car car. Thanks for uploading that song into my head
OwlBBac 1 year ago 8
no one get crash with a quattro I'm not surprised :)
huffy15 1 year ago
well this is Minnesota weather
mu556 1 year ago
thank goodness for the editorialist, i may have never figured that out, especially the part about the Police car, great job.
bilandcarmen 1 year ago
kil your self please...se mata!
megafriend09 1 year ago
Morons
ItalianIrishDude 1 year ago
these people are fucking morons. theyre in snowy weather drivin shitty FWD cars. what the fuck? these people need AWD...
TrueHipHopHead1 1 year ago
@TrueHipHopHead1 yeah theyre fucking morons for not buying a car with awd. because you must KNOW that they ALL had the money at the time they bought their shitty fwd cars to pay for awd. and its not like ANY of them could be from out of town, and not be used to the weather conditions. oh, and it must be IMPOSSIBLE for them to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that no one could have maybe skidded out in front of them causing them to crash.
jeffsandychelsea 1 year ago
@jeffsandychelsea umm,AWD cars are not expensive lol...
TrueHipHopHead1 1 year ago 2
you see....theres this thing called being american and not knowing how to drive a car in snow as well. My dad does better then any awd car with his grand caravan. yeah moron.
Armixs 1 year ago
@Armixs hmmm... never heard that one before.
thedarkholeconsumer 1 year ago
Looks like that ford focus didn't focus
sizmbr 1 year ago 81
@sizmbr - Nice. LOL :)
train52000 1 year ago
@sizmbr lol!
TeamHeavySuck 1 year ago
youd think living in a snowy state like MN people would know how to drive in snow
lordhelmit3 2 years ago
Nothing special.. i see this every day living in Maine but 3x worse.
DMBkeepsmesane 2 years ago
hmm too bad MN gets more snow than maine eh
lordhelmit3 2 years ago 2
Drifting the 4x4 in the snow is soo much easier on the tires tho hay
Kylexenogenesis 2 years ago
it all comes down to snow tires...
all season and all wheel suck for winter
balzacbee 2 years ago
Snow tires are a wonderful thing! Combine that with not driving like a dumb-ass, and you've got something.
jefevonQ 2 years ago 4
Some considerate people will actually speed up in conditions like this, hoping a fiery crash will melt the ice for others to pass safely.
wilberswilbers 2 years ago 40
aww.. wow, those people are so nice.
yuskjr 2 years ago 3
@wilberswilbers sounds like me... na i dont do that
armymatt83 1 year ago
@wilberswilbers lol
Xbox360717 1 year ago
I already lived someting like that, but there was no snow, it was rain and it turn into ice so much quickly, we were going at 20 mph on a Highway. there was car at every 500 meters on the side of the road, or accident. we saw a truck rolled over in front of us !
Challenger331 2 years ago
gotta drift that shit !!!!
RAptors4lifee 2 years ago 3
theres a car theres a car and theres a snow and then da da daaaa cop CAR!!!! book it run
JimmyMcmillan 2 years ago
I miss the winter!
muscle1983 2 years ago
Stay the fuck home on a day like that!!!!
nb347 2 years ago 2
Snow isn't that hard to drive in. You just have to pay attention, and, you know, not be complete fucking retard and jack it up for everyone around you. Not saying this guy caused it, but someone did.
IronSideZer0 2 years ago
Your absolutly righ I lived in northern Connecticut for sevral years and I owned a honda civic, and I drove in weather like that all the time with no problems at all but you get thoes jockeys with there 4 wheel drive trucks want to test the limit and haul ass on a day like that and totaly trash there cars and everyone else around them....
nb347 2 years ago 2
Inconsiderate people are annoying. Yeah, I live in New Mexico, but I often travel to and from Colorado, and I drive a Ford F-250 super duty. No problems whatsoever, because I'm not an idiot.
IronSideZer0 2 years ago
BOOOOOOOORING
JVPRCNG 2 years ago
snow AWESOME!!!!
ChadthaXMB 2 years ago 6
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snow SUCKS!!!!
jrjr143 2 years ago
the problem starts when you hit the brakes.
thats when you go for a slippy ride
gringoooox 2 years ago
i love snow covered roads!!!!!! too bad SOOO many people cannot drive in the snow for crap!
chevyman8329 2 years ago
Does the car from the policeman have winter tires on?
TzimasJ 2 years ago
probably or chains .
gringoooox 2 years ago
Dam i love winter =)
MrBassek 2 years ago 2
lol
RaWeEhC 2 years ago
snow..
alexandru04 2 years ago
driving to fast for conditions
twitsru 2 years ago
a video dedicated to human stupidy.
lame.
Incredevil 2 years ago
lol not only u gotta know how to drive u also need to service ur car properly, i work at midas and some ppl only service 1 side of brakes bcuz there being cheap. so that wud cause that 1 side to brake better and ur car is gona pull in that direction :P
Flipster1325 2 years ago
just the midas touch lol
dfgfgdfgfgdfgfgdf 2 years ago
lol that guy talking fucking funny.. theres a car theres a car cop car there ahahaha xD
GrandTheftHollywood 2 years ago 3
Zaskoczyła ich zima. Pewnie rzadko to sie u nich zdarza. Wszyscy na letnich oponach :D
muuuciek 2 years ago 2
wow
apsodifugyht5 2 years ago
They can't even drive straight on snow hahah what will happen if they have to drive in the mountains LOL Come to Switzerland we'll show you how it should be done.
commodore64738 2 years ago 4
there is in finland same weather every winters... and there isnt any cars side of the road
Hanemus 2 years ago
That Wisconsin, it has the worst winters around and that right there is a Wisconsin state trooper and they deal with alot shit with these cars during the winter time...
CHITOWNGANGSTA1981 2 years ago
I drove on 10 year old semi bald all season tires in this weather in absolutely no problem
people should learn how to drive
bimmer318i 2 years ago 4
I would agree with you. People just can't drive.
PaleKidOnTheLeft 2 years ago
there a car there a car there a police car... REALLY I HAD NO IDEA?!
cooldude1232112321 2 years ago 5
winter tires!!!! they exist for a reason.
GTPDRIVER01 2 years ago 4
Who bothers with winter tires? seriously?
david01478 2 years ago
You can always tell it's friday, because all the city drivers are in the ditch.
Kriegsarschmann 2 years ago
idiots
TommyAngello85 2 years ago
Amazing how many people go on the road with there cars when the roads look like that..
NokiaN95D8G 2 years ago
ha ha haha funny shit
Dragosh2000 2 years ago
American drivers.....
michael0mcu 3 years ago
DUDE ITS FUCKING SNOWING!
dont be stupid.. its extremely hard to even drive in the snow..
hellagunner1 3 years ago
dude it's extremely easy to drive in the snow and not crash. just go slow and leave enough space between you and the car in front of you. most people spin out and crash on snow because they don't know how to drive on snow. they go too fast and they drive too close together.
digitaldown 2 years ago
i used 2 live in canada, its extremely easy 2 drive in snow. as long as ur not doin like 100 kmph (60 mph) n uve got good tyres, nothing shud b an issue. whevr i used 2 drive 2 the states though, ppl r always crashing :P
cantdrivetill08 2 years ago
exactly, no need for a big 4x4, all you need is good winter tires, and you need to drive according to the conditions
rtsoccerplayer 2 years ago 2
and people in other countries freak when it snows. here we are just like, eh, fuck it. i can make it. and we do. better in a rwd car than you can in an awd one.
DieterStrife 3 years ago
AWD don't you mean 4WD or is that somthing else in America, i'm not sure?
Rhidrio3 2 years ago
awd is like a subaru where its on all the time. 4wd is like a pickup truck where you can turn it on when you need it to get out of the mud, go off road, and turn it off to get some semblance of better gas mileage.
DieterStrife 2 years ago
crrrash
PalaniuksLaughter 3 years ago
little gazer
18Tschegga18 3 years ago
and the one who makes the movie blocked the traffic, we call this people in germany "gaffer". this people are dangerous becouse they block the work of policeman and emerganciepeople only to make pictures and movies.
Gepard11111 3 years ago
he's not blocking traffic douche, those cars that aren't moving were involved in the accident. He said that in the video, If you were listening.
trysegai 3 years ago 2
sorry
my english ist not the best
ok
Gepard11111 3 years ago
thanks for the news WATER CRONKITE
23lotusblossoms 3 years ago
Who's water cronkite?
coffeeandsugar20 3 years ago
oops. drunkin typing again.
i meant to type ... "thanks for the news flash Walter Cronkite"
that's like the most famous news guy i know of :)
i thought the film makers commentary was kind of funny & not very informative since he was so vague. it was making me giggle since he said the same thing over and over again. but he had to say something right? it was pretty funny :)
23lotusblossoms 3 years ago
lol theres that car, that car and that car,yep thats all lol
serb4life2 3 years ago
snow snow snow woohaaa i wish it snows here xD
DOOGtheBagi 3 years ago
good comment-wrong video
frostbaracudas 3 years ago 2
ya kind of ... lolz its so dam hot here that i forgoten xD well atleast we got brown snow (desert)xD
DOOGtheBagi 3 years ago
lol
Swinglinerstaple99 3 years ago
LMFAO!!!!
"There's that car, that car, police car, that car, that car"
Aha, that was great
OSSk8er 3 years ago 5
you're too easily entertained
jakovasaurr 3 years ago
And you're a dick but did I honestly have to say anything, jeezus!
OSSk8er 3 years ago 4
Dane Cook is right we LOVE car accidents!
XC0688 3 years ago
Lol I liked this video. Idk why, but its cool. Shouldn't have been posted on Youtube, tho, it shoulda been kept between friends. HENCE THE LOW RATINGS!
yankeescf04 3 years ago
this video fucking sucked ass
soccer534 3 years ago
omg lmao hope eryones allright tho ;)
demonsparkx 3 years ago
.|.
marole01 3 years ago
LUTSEN! woohoo! the guy talking sounds like my brother. but yeah, that's no news to me lol. it snows 8 months out of the year where i live
quinniequinnquinn 3 years ago
haha you sound cheery
kellydale2003 3 years ago
If you lived in a state where you know it's like that every winter, why wouldn't you (not you the filmer) not have at least 1 4WD vehicle?
JohnZDeLorean 3 years ago
I lived there, people drive fine with 2WD. People adjust to the horrible steering.
Sapwood2 3 years ago 2
4wd only improves your acceleration. It does NOTHING to help your brakes.
The weight of your vehicle makes a difference, but not as much as staying a safe distance behind the vehicle in front of you. Can't count the number of times an SUV has tailgated my mustang while going down a hill...
elfwall 3 years ago
haha, i know what you mean. I live in eastern Canada, A LOT of snow. I used to drive this tiny shitty Mazda Protege, and it seemed to be everywhere i went i'd be being tailgated by some rich person in their SUV, talking on a phone and barely paying attention to me. And as some people may not know, front wheel drives are great in winter, i would leave for work at 4 in the morning with 1 - 1.5 feet of snow on the ground and make it no problem :D
norcobigfootrider 3 years ago
People dont crash because they dont have 4wd, they just get stuck maybe.. adjusting speed is the most important factor..
Here in Norway "rich" people drive around in huge 4wd cars in oslo(capital) all year and on winter with stud tires fucking upp our air in the city just so they can get to their cabin twice a year..
I visit these people sometimes and borrow their cabin (thank you) and i get there perfectly fine with my Bmw 540 RWD with studless tires.
thorris11 3 years ago
People dont crash because they dont have 4wd, they just get stuck maybe.. adjusting speed is the most important factor..
Here in Norway "rich" people drive around in huge 4wd cars in oslo(capital) all year and on winter with stud tires fucking upp our air in the city just so they can get to their cabin twice a year..
I visit these people sometimes and borrow their cabin (thank you) and i get there perfectly fine with my Bmw 540 RWD with studless tires.
thorris11 3 years ago 2
looks like no one was hurt.
jeabo0adhd 3 years ago
Oh dang!
marshmallower 3 years ago
i love the north east we get this shit all the time...i just know how to drive
jagerslayer 3 years ago 2
borin
dkc149 3 years ago
...and lastly my car
malcstag 3 years ago
stud tire>>> try them they work!!!!
killerxiong 4 years ago
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learn to drive in the snow you bunch of fucking morons. its only water.
justinintahoe 4 years ago
LOL @ Minnesota... we always get messed over by the storms. I love it!
jgizzy 4 years ago
aww, that's shitty as hell.
sweetdaddycoconut 4 years ago
Great video! Oscar quality! =)
grybold 4 years ago
sad bastard!!!!
dannystanley 4 years ago
LOL, you seemed so nonchalant about it
Narzedie7001 4 years ago 2
Thanks for recording that, the more I see these types of videos and cars crashing in the snow, it makes me wonder why people EVER drive in the snow at ALL. I know I NEVER will drive when it is out like that. Hope their insurance covered the costs.
jakeboldt 4 years ago
Nice weather. Looks like summer here in Norway.
rosenpenis 5 years ago
hahhaha just his voice makes this funny
kyoryu 5 years ago
I saw that cop was from Wisconsin-- what part are you from? I live right by Wisconsin in the U.P. of Michigan.
jadeorlich 5 years ago
I'm from the Eau Claire area. That wintery weather looks familiar.
rabbit4diesel 4 years ago
suck to be those people
juston3000 5 years ago