Dr. William Lane Craig: Does God Exist? (Part 1 of 4)

[Jeremias91Norway]

you stat that the infinate is just an idea of the mind, yet "eternal life" is one of the central ideas in christianity, isnt that contradicting? (I'm just curious, i'm no religious man, nor am i an atheist, i just beleve what i see, and imagen the rest)

[lastdaysguitar]

@Jeremias91Norway

Infinite is an idea of the mind in the sense that it is a conceptual extrapolation of the known physical world i.e.: there is always one more mile, one more year, etc... this does not contradict eternity, rather it shows eternity transcends the known physical world.

[lastdaysguitar]

@Jeremias91Norway

PS: I agree that imagination is important - as long as it is not vain imagination, it is a way God has provided our minds to interpret, and access beyond what we call reality (i.e.: the stimulus of of our limited senses).

[DanteWhite]

anarchism and other political systems that promote a classless society are the hope of humanity to deliver us from evil and yes life in a way has no meaning but so what that is a humbling thought and we should do the best for evolutionary reasons and promote behaviors that secure the preservation of the species and a peaceful life which promotes a longer lifespan

[lastdaysguitar]

@DanteWhite Anarchism does NOT deliver from evil!, it is freedom to do evil without consequence.

And taking the position life has no meaning is not only insane, but a lie: if you REALLY believed that you'd stop eating, writing on youtube, etc...

You are being contrary - not for logical reasons, but to avoid the reality of God.

Being deceived, you may well not realize that though.

[craesykid]

So there more able to accept that a magic man popped into existence than an infinitely dense, infinitely hot singularity? I don't get the logic. God can come out of nothing but a singularity cannot?

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid Study the law of entropy you idiot.

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar Im not gonna exclaim that i understand the law completely or anything, but i think the central idea is that heat cannot come from coldness, heat has to go to coldness, more or less. Okay, okay, that makes some sense. But, considering that we are of god's image, i suppose that would include the inner body too. So therefore he would have similiar body workings, and therefore a body temperature. Still heat coming out of coldness. The other flaw is that it wasnt heat (to be continued

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar coming out of coldness, it was heat coming out of nothing, and therefore the beginning of heat. No violations, i think. I mean, i don't understand the law perfectly, so please correct me on anything that was incoreect.

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid Entropy is the law that order over time goes into disorder, the ONLY way a big bang would create a life sustaining universe (Gant's Therom) is with a CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE DIRECTING IT!

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar Um, yes. Entropy does continually increase, with higher entropy meaning higher disorder. now, of course, higher disorder means a greater variety of chemicals, molecules, etc. At the beginning, everything was all the same and therefore had low disorder or low entropy. AS this increased, everything became more disordered and diversed, with the original primative energies forming matter. This made earth, amino acids, etc.

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid Of that's funny - your saying order comes out of increasing disorder.

Lots of logic there...

Not.

The only thing that brings order is creation, which requires an intelligent sentiant CREATOR!

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar Well, no. Think of poker. You have a shuffled, disordered deck of cards, yet they may come together in an order by chance to make a pair, flush, straight, etc. Is their creation here? No, there's chance. This also applies to flocks of birds or countless other things. Is there a creator in these things? No. They happen by chance. Chaos brings order, as the saying goes. This doesn't violate entropy for a lot of reasons, as one thing can become more ordered if the whole doesn't.

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid The odds are VERY heavily stacked against your "random life, and evolution" theory: Do you have any idea of the level of complexity of DNA? It is by fay the most efficient data storage system known to man, DNA far exceeds the storage space of ALL the computers on the planet

Did you know that in all of history there has never been a case of a data storage system that wasn't created by an intelligent creator?

If Darwin had a clue about DNA he never would have published his tripe!

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar That's the thing. Darwin's theory wasn't perfect, and as we learned more, we refined it. Secondly, evolution isn't random, it has a system; species more fit to the habitat survive better, and therefore produce better, and therefore their offspring have the qualities that helped the parents survive. Did you know that in all of history there has never been a case of a big magic man blowing stuff into existence? We have plenty of evidence for evolution, including genetics,(tbc)

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid A SYSTEM... a system that created itself???!!! 

PS: There is not even a single case of proven inter species evolution, it JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY!

[craesykid]

@lastdaysguitar anatomy, and retroviruses. As far as abiogenesis goes, i don''t really think it is all that unlikely. the idea that about 22 chemicals came together seems possible to me. early earth obviously had very different conditions than current earth, explaining why it isn't happening now. with the earth, a collection of hot gasses formed at a good place around the sun, a comet collided with it, the comets rock solidified and the debris formed the moon. once again, not very unlikely.

[lastdaysguitar]

@craesykid And that's the core problem... you have been fooled into thinking that just putting chemicals together creates life - one small problem with that: it doesn't happen that way and never has.

But you'll keep wallowing in ignarance in order to try to avoid God and persevere in sin, but when you die you WILL have to face Him, either as Savior, or Judge.

Yout "theory" IS very unlikely, what is much more likely is a supreme, omniscient multi-dimensional (He created them) eternal creator.

[luisgarcia28]

i do not debate with someone who weeds out dissenting opinions with a priori misconceptions and takes advantage of blocking whomever does not agree with illogical beliefs and therefore advances their own thoughts without any real challenge. That is THE definition of narrow mindedness. You are more fit for a pulpit than a debate.

[lastdaysguitar]

@luisgarcia28

A) If you'd peek out from underneath your self-important delusion of narcissism you'd realize no one asked you to debate - you have nothing to give.

B) Narrow mindedness is GOOD if you know the truth... see Matt 7:13; Luke 13:24; etc.

[luisgarcia28]

intelligent discourse is not possible if you believe in demons.

[lastdaysguitar]

@luisgarcia28

Just as I thought: another empty-headed atheist that when asked to engage in intelligent discorse, can only deliver hyperbole.

Evil is never more dangerous than when people are oblivious to it.

[luisgarcia28]

It is interesting how you have censorship and weed out opposing arguments, guess if you are afraid of intelligent discourse that is what you do.

[lastdaysguitar]

@luisgarcia28 The censorship is to weed out thousands of profane and demonic statements, which I will not permit on my youtube page. Show me some intelligent discorse.

[AnnRKey]

Furthermore, one cannot simply wave an uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and enormously intelligent cause into existence. And I can't help but think that this Entity would come up with something better than this. . .existence. Finally, what is wrong with not knowing what caused the universe?

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey

Agreed - no one waved God into existance: God IS eternal and IS the uncreated Creator... you can't wrap your mind around that because your spirit is dead and blinded in sin.

It's God's rules, not yours... as mentioned previously, we had it all but Adam sinned horribly against a righteous God - watch my video regarding why the origonal sin was so horrible

[AnnRKey]

@lastdaysguitar Well, if my spirit is dead, why does God continue to punish me by keeping me alive? Would Adam and Eve "sinned against God" if the Serpent were not allowed in the garden? Didn't your god declare everything "very good"? If it was "very good", whence cometh the Serpent?

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey Simple: because God has the power to ressurect your dead spirit!

though your body and soul live, your spirit IS dead in sin, if you repent, and surrender to Jesus Christ as Lord, your spirit will be born again.

Furthermore you do not understand the nature of God's love, and His gift of freewill, even freewill to disobey.

Repent of whatever sin is blinding you, and pray in Jesus name that God reveal Himself to you.

stop reading athiest tripe and start reading the holy bible.

[AnnRKey]

@lastdaysguitar But, I've already been "born again" back in 1977.

Yes, I think God has a strange way of showing love. As for freewill, that's all great and wonderful until somebody else chooses to use their freewill to pick my pocket or break my leg or worse.

I already prayed in Jesus' name back '77 and thought God had revealed Itself to me. But after my third reading of the New Testament, I found it severely lacking. See, it wasn't "atheist tripe" that turned my away, it was the Bible.

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey

You were not born again, of this I am certain.

Satan still had his stronghold in your spirit and has created confusion in you.

If you were of God, his word would have strenghtened you, not caused doubt.

Your understanding of holy scripture and submission to Jesus Christ as Lord of your life is so sadly lacking.

[AnnRKey]

@lastdaysguitar In my defense, I did put the "born again" in quotes. So, yeah, I agree. I was never born again.

Do you have evidence 1) that there actually is a Satan. 2) that this Satan has created confusion in me. Moreover, why would god allow this Satan to have this type of power over its creation.

If the Bible were the word of God, then you would correct.

Your understanding of the Bible and submission to an imaginary being is disturbing.

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey

That's your defense?!

To admit that yes, you ARE a liar???

You are a waste of my time: You've only verified that you are not qualified to have a discussion of this magnitude. 

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey

you were not born again, of this I am certain.

If you had been born again, God's word would have strengthened you, not created doubt.

You are of your father the devil and you host at least one demon spirit of anarchy.

[AnnRKey]

The Big Bang theory does not say there was nothing before the Big Bang, only that we cannot determine was there was prior to the Big Bang. There could have been a different set of physical laws before the BB. Anyway, just because its apparent that time cannot go back to infinity does not prove there is a God, much less a personal God. Wouldn't a personal God participate in the affairs of its creation?

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey Wrong - accepted theory (i.e.: the quantum physics and advanced mathematics research involved) clearly shows your error of statement: "Big Bang Theory" stipulates time itself was created at the moment of creation.

As to your next statement: I remember in the 70's and 80's atheists claiming the universe was eternal - the bible had set it straight from it's very first words: "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED..." boy did athiests backpedal when real science showed Gods word is true!!

[AnnRKey]

@lastdaysguitar "accepted theory". Time. . .as we know it. . .started at the BB. We cannot say there was nothing before the BB. Even if you are right and there is a god, then there was something. God could have had created many more universes prior to ours. Anyway, real science does not show "God's word" is true. Science simply shows that our universe has a starting point. And science certainly cannot show that Jesus rose from the dead.

[lastdaysguitar]

@AnnRKey you are such a puppet, and your arguments are the same old worn out athiest retreat: "even if you are right, there could be more universes"...

The same scripture that revealed thousands of years ago what science is now proving as true speaks of the Messiah.

As to nothing before: study the word "void". Also recall that God commanded the void.

[luisgarcia28]

Point one

Why does it HAVE to have a meaning? What is the meaning of the life of an anencephalic baby?

Point two

Deliverance from the shortcomings of our lives? Like poverty, disease, evil?

Who created the conditions in your conception of the world? Man's doing?

You mention age, death, disease in the same sentence as man made? I could as easily hope I grow a third leg but wishing it were true won't give me hope or make it true it will only satisfy an inner psychological need.

[lastdaysguitar]

@luisgarcia28 1) "It" has meaning whether you believe it or not. anencephalic babies are just examples of the pain of a fallen world. (the wages of sin are death)

2) see my response to point above - and read Genesis - the answers to your questions are there: it is man who forsook God and ruined His blessing, not the other way around.

[luisgarcia28]

@lastdaysguitar Genesis is plagued with contradictory statements. Just an example

Genesis 1-27 on the 6th day "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created him." vs Genesis 2-22 "Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought it to the man." Which is the correct version? The second version is after seeing that man could not take care of the garden by himself.

[lastdaysguitar]

@luisgarcia28

Luis, they are not contradictions.

Your interpretation of the purport is what is in error.

i.e.: you lack understanding.

[tomroberts1]

@lastdaysguitar The two genesis accounts of creation do contradict one another and are mutually exclusive if you assume biblical inerrancy. To prove my point try and answer this question taking into account what is written in chapters 1 and 2 of genesis:

Was man (i.e. humankind) created before or after the animals?

The two chapters give different, mutually exclusive answers to this question.

Perhaps we should not be looking to the bible concerning questions of natural history.

[lastdaysguitar]

@tomroberts1

You are a liar.

I've read Genesis many times:

there

is

no

contradiction.

[tomroberts1]

@lastdaysguitar Thanks for your couteous response.

I am not a liar. You could show this by honsetly answering my question.

Did god create the animals and then adam and eve?

or

DId god first create adam and then, in a search for a mate for adam create all the animals eventually creating eve?

Only one of these scenarios can be true without self-contradiction.

I think you need to re-read your bible.

[lastdaysguitar]

@tomroberts1

You are both a liar AND ignorant, as NEITHER of your "scenarios" are correct.

God created the animals first and THEN on the 6th day created man.

You need to actually read the book you are attacking first... because if you keep spewing senseless garbage, you will be blocked.

[tomroberts1]

@lastdaysguitar GENESIS 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

GENESIS 2:18-22 ***too long to post full quotation - here god forms every 'beast of the field, and every fowl of the air' and adam names them. Next god makes eve from adams rib while he sleeps***

The first creation story starts at genesis 1:1 and the second creation story starts at genesis 2:4.

1st story: animals first man last.

2nd story: man first

[lastdaysguitar]

@tomroberts1 Tom, you do not understand the purport of 2:18, it DOES NOT claim Adam was formed after the first animals - it DOES say animals were ALSO formed to bring to Adam.

There is nothing contradictory in this, you simply have not studied to the point you understand it.

[youarekidding]

Um. Basically what i'm getting is that belief in God means denying reality. These things mentioned : aging, death, hopelessness - i should believe in God just because i don't like these things? I don't want them to be true therefore they're NOT?

[lastdaysguitar]

@youarekidding listen again, you've missed the point, the reality is there IS Hope in nothing else but God. However to you point: whether you believe in Him or not - God is real, and He will judge you outside of Christ Jesus.

[MetaphysicsAddict]

slight correction: atheism does *not* posit the non-existence of the afterlife. A person can be both an atheist *and* a believer in some kind(s) of afterlife.

[drcraigvideos]

Great video!

[lastdaysguitar]

@drcraigvideos THANKS John!

[thePhantomFrank]

@drcraigvideos I saw the distinction. The thing of it in terms of the explanation of the cosmological argument.