why should we get rid of cemeteries because they make you uncomfortable? they are there to remind us and for rememberance of the dead. Plus its history
Women were created to chase after Shiny Objects (Diamonds, Gold, Jewelry, Fancy Cars, Glittering Mansions, Shiny Breast Implants, Shiny things at Stores etc..)
After World War 2.. it was discovered that some of the Nazi party had been using the remains of slain Jewish people.. literally their skin, for the purpose of making decorative lamp shades. How is what this woman did ANY different really? How is this any less of an abomination, less of a desecration of a human being.. to convert their body into a piece of jewelry? A thing, a decoration now worn for the sake of vanity. i am crying. i cannot even look at this page any more.
@Mikanojo Nazi killed the people whom bodies would be used in a cruel & evil way just for being different she loved her husband & wanted him to be with her even after he passed it has a symbolic meaning
@dru177 Consider the actual 'meaning' of jewelry. Jewelry serves TWO purposes. The most common purpose is vanity.. to either add pretty decorations to enhance your beauty, or to add expensive stones and metals to display wealth. The other less common purpose for jewelry is to show affiliation to an organization or belief. A membership pin, a cross or badge.. She is wearing the remains of her husband not as ashes like an urn or reliquary, but converted into a jewel. A pretty VANITY.
@Mikanojo Wouldn't an urn be a decoration as well, It would of been disrespect to turn him into toilet paper or a type of deodorant, to me I see her reason as wearing the pendant made from her husband as a symbol for never leaving each other even after death, also I wear my grandfather's watch NOT for vanity as you say or to display wealth I wear it IN REMEMBRANCE & love NOT for people to think that I have money or because of a job its out of love & wouldn't trade the watch for any other
@dru177 Even you make a point to show the difference, between a keepsake like the watch that your father OWNED, as opposed to his BODY, that you would not want even in an urn in your home. You help illustrate the point i was making.. she wants him with her, instead of letting him go. And while an urn with his ashes inside would at least be a respectful reliquary for HOLDING his remains, instead she turned him into jewelry, converted him into a bauble to wear. It is so sick.
@Hallamfoebell I agree burial would be MUCH more respectful of the dead than the sick thing this woman has done to her husband's remains. I have been a Christian for a bit more than 4 years and now live in USA where burial is very common, but i was born in Sapporo and brought up in Ryobu Shinto.. the dead are cremated in sosai. Either is preferable to desecrating the man by converting him into a decoration for the sake of selfishness and vanity!
@Hallamfoebell There is much to consider about burial versus cremation, especially in Nihon with 127,960,000 people living on a chain of small islands.. it takes space to bury bodies - would you bury them under roads or buildings?. In Shinto, the body is a vessel that a spirit inhabits, almost like a hermit crab lives in a shell. After death the shell is empty and OTHER spirits could use the body, like oni.. much better to destroy the empty shell rather than allow evil to enter it.
@Mikanojo YEP! I would why not in buildings or even malls? that way they are part of the city. Well in China you bury the body so they may enter the cestial kingdom with creamation where can that person find there place if they are creamated they can't. Well Shinto or Japanese right there skelaton is still there so people can enter the body still and use the bones. Yeah when the empty shell is gone there is not to remember them by
@Hallamfoebell in Shinto and also in Buddhism, a body without a spirit is an unclean thing. They never even have urns set near temples for that reason. And it is a strange thing to me, to think that God would in any way be unable to let someone enter Heaven because their physical body was burned after they died and left it? The spirit is eternal - the body is dust and to dust it should return. In Shinto we remember our dead and it actually helps them to become Kami.. we honor them!
@Hallamfoebell Instead of visiting a grave where the remains of a body are trapped in a 'hopefully' air-tight incredibly expensive buried coffin, or worse sitting on a shelf imprisoned in a mausoleum o_0 in Shinto we have small shrines for our family and when someone dies their name and picture and maybe a small item they had often with them is added to the shrine. Instead of a graveyard it is often inside our home and we see it every day and include the spirits of the dead in our prayers.
@Hallamfoebell It can seem strange or complex from the outside i guess, but as simple as i can explain.. in Shinto, your afterlife is determined by the good wishes and love and remembering of those you leave behind. So how well you treated others, how well they thought of you.. the more people that remember you well and in love, the more honored your spirit will be in the afterlife. The most honored become Kami.. not exactly angels in the Christian sense.. almost more like saints.
@Hallamfoebell Yes we all remember.. in Nihon it is a large part of our culture, not just a matter of religion. It is part of our daily life and honestly when i came to live in USA it was a part of mai life that i brought with me. No i did not build a shrine here, i am Christian now and it is not how it is done.. but in each nighttime prayer all of mai family is remembered. It is as regular a ritual as brushing your teeth. ~^_^~ but part of honoring our elders who made us who we are.
@Mikanojo See your christain and as a christain they are buried. Not creamated. Thats alot of people and the family if your not into geanology people forget your ancestors since everytime a person dies its not recorded somewhere or its not remembered. Thats why we have cemeteries to remember the dead. To record and a place for them to rest. Well you better marry a person of your religion which is not Christain so they remember the dead.
@Hallamfoebell Why would you assume i am 'not into genealogy?' Family reverence is part of the culture, not simply a matter of religion, and as i already told you, we do record their names, we keep pictures, heirlooms and we also set small family shrines, inside our homes even if it is a tiny apartment. When you were little did you maybe learn to recite the Lord's prayer? i was taught to recite our family line! And yes, those bits of left over bone, those ashes.. that IS body parts o_0
@Mikanojo Because of the ash and keeping mementos of the dead. Yes I did but did I know all my cousin grandparents and great grandparents or great Uncles and Aunts NO. The living aunts and uncles never kept records and yes they were buried but who keeps the records for everyone? Yeah I know and then you scatter them in flower bush to say grow which human ash cant grow the dead human body can though if its not creamted though.
@Hallamfoebell No.. oh no.. even the idea of visiting left behind body parts is a Western ritual that only some of Nihon embraced.. it is done much more in the far south than in Sapporo, and it is done almost entirely by the Christians who live there. Instead of traveling to a grave yard or collection of ashes, we see pictures and read the names and may touch some little thing of theirs to remind us of them.. but they are not gone so there is no reason to say good-bye! Death is not an end.
@Mikanojo Well its not the body parts if the person naturally died. Plus no it wasnt just westerns who did it Chinese English people bury there dead. But then what happens to there stuff? it gets sold or given to the family. Thats why we have cemeteries to remember the dead and to pay tribute to the dead in the cemeteries. Since they are also part of history. Think about the Hollywood cemeteries. Versus being creamated and forgotten.
@Hallamfoebell Nobody is forgotten in Nihon when people die.. their families remember them, their friends remember them and we grow up being taught to remember them. In fact, to NOT remember them is the equivalent of a terrible sin! It dishonors them, your family who is living still, and your self. You go some place where bodies are planted, look at a carving on a stone and remember the spirit of someone you think is lost and gone - we do not. We carry our family spirits with us daily.
@Mikanojo Then they need to buried not creamated. Because ash can fall on the ground and then what do you do with it you have to vacuum it up and put it in the trash you think your ashes are going to be in urns and only there? when your creamated the ashes are put in a plastic bag and some ash is in the bag still and they throw that bag away in the garbage so your remains are in the urn and the trash! How can you remember the spirits when you need to see the body to say GOOD BYE!
@Hallamfoebell What do you mean by 'naturally died'? o_0 As opposed 2 murder? Regarding cremation and Christians.. it has actually become much more common to cremate.. mostly because in USA it costs THOUSANDS of dollars to bury someone with a ceremony, a plot, a casket. As America becomes poorer and poorer as a nation, you will see more and more cremation and less connection to keeping body parts as a memorial. Christians have so many factions.. denominations that disagree.. some cremate.
@Mikanojo no it hasnt. ONly if the family chooses to have the body embalmed a viewing buried in the ground or above ground which costs less! Oh I know i know and that my friend is very sad! no the majorityh will creamate and be forgotten. since you proably dont even know where the ashes are buried or scattered for that matter. where is Bea arthur ashes where is Glenn SHadix ashes we dont know and we cant say GOOD BYE.
@Hallamfoebell We did NOT keep ashes.. no urn. no body parts left AT ALL. The ashes are scattered in the sea. NO.. we do not say goodbye, not to ashes not to some rotting body filled up with chemicals and foam padding to look like they are sleeping.. They live as spirits with no body.. they go where they wish, and in the Bible they are said to mostly be sleeping.. at rest. But then there is also stories in the Bible of restless spirits or spirits that were woke up early - Ghosts.
@Mikanojo See you forget them. You dont have to be filled up with chemicals at all the Amish do not embalm there dead. No its not foam padding. if you were to look up on youtube you will see all your perceptions are wrong. YEP thats because there murders were not solved. ashes in a urn or box you cannot say good bye too with a body you can.
@Hallamfoebell No we do not forget them.. and as many times as you repeat that you need to say goodbye i will point out again that there is no need to say goodbye at all. And everything i wrote abt embalming is true. Do not forget about how many people die from injury.. if the face is in any way disfigured they will use foam or in some places cotton balls 2 prop up and flesh out the cheeks, they will apply make up to remove the paleness of death..
@Mikanojo Yes you do since you know your ancestors from the 1700 hundreds do you? No it isnt because it depends on what type of chemicals they use. Well yeah and then the casket is closed if they body is disfigured. thats what happened with my Uncle a closed casket
@Hallamfoebell They paint and stuff a corpse, filled with toxic chemicals to slow down decay.. and briefly put the body on display so that you can come and 'say goodbye' to the body of someone for your own reasons.. not for the dead person. Then they dig a big hole, throw the hermetically sealed casket in that costs more than a used car. and put a stone over it so that you can come back when you think about them and visit the dead body again. No thank you.
@Mikanojo you dont need to have the chemicals in you thats an option do you understand an OPTION! No it costs as much as you want you can be buried in pine maple wood which costs less then a used car! get your facts straight! OH I know be selfish
@Hallamfoebell I was speaking of the average funeral and fees.. here where i live now in USA there is even commercials for extra life insurance just so that families can AFFORD to bury you after you die ~0_0~ how incredibly sad. When i die i know that mai death will NOT be a financial burden for mai family. Of course you can spend less or more.. and from what i have seen how much money you spend is supposed to equal how much respect you have for that person? It seems twisted and wrong.
@Mikanojo Did you know the average mermorial is even more? since sometimes they have the memorial on a SHIP which cost much much more then a as you say an average funeral. Its not about respect its about allowing people to say GOOD BYE. You can even have a wake and then be creamated. which is less. How is it twisted to say good bye?
@Hallamfoebell How is it twisted to say good bye? Where exactly do you think they are GOING? You have this idea that death is the end of your relationship with someone, but really it is only the death of their physical body. The body is NOT the whole of a person. Funerals are mostly given for the living.. so that they can selfishly mourn what THEY think they are losing - instead of celebrating the deceased who are now finally free.
@Mikanojo its not twisted to say good bye but you need to say good bye to the phyiscal shell of the person. No not selfishly mourn you selfishly dont allow the person to mourn you because you think you look ugly in the coffin! LIKE I SAID there not nothing to mourn when your friggen ashes! NOTHING. No in a ton of culture like China and Chirstain culture there not.
@Hallamfoebell The only thing to mourn is your sense of loss. Funerals, coffins, graveyards.. stone markers.. it is all done as business for the living - not out of any consideration for the dead.
@Mikanojo So we should get rid of cememeteries and forget the dead? Oh before funeral parlors were a business all those things as you call it were done by the family members. the family would dig the hole they would buy the parts for the casket and they would buy the markers. So no it was considered for the dead.
@Hallamfoebell We should get rid of cemeteries and remember the people we love as they were when they were with us, with the full wisdom and understanding that if there IS a Heaven, that you will be REUNITED with them in the future. If your faith is truth then how is death any different than someone leaving for a long trip? You will be with them again.. why are you mourning AT ALL?
@Hallamfoebell The only reason to ever say goodbye is when you leave someone. When you tell them that you no longer accept them in your life. When someone i care about dies, instead of pushing them away and feeling sorry for me.. i treasure every moment that i was able to share with them when they were alive, i revisit those memories in mai heart, and i keep their spirit honored by those memories.. NOT be holding on to their dead body - i wish you could understand.
@Mikanojo its not about the dead body as letting us see them for the last TIME! some people never get the chance to say GOOD BYE. I wish you could understand that! Who remembers those spirits you talk about if there is no marker or tombstone? or family buriel plot?
@Hallamfoebell If you can see someone in a picture, in your memory, then how is visiting a stone seeing anyone for the 'last' time? Now that we live in a world full of video, that woman you mentioned Bea Arthur can continue to entrain people even though her physical body is dead.. Even though she is dead.. consider that many many people may some day see her, hear her, for the FIRST time, years from now. You seem obsessed with wanting a physical body of the deceased, planted in the ground -->
@Mikanojo No because people forget. No I want a body in the ground to say this was a person. YOu seem obessed with out saying good bye and your memories live on. Not if you have never recorded the person or anything. So that doesnt change the fact we erect moununments to the deceased to remember them.
@Hallamfoebell i have no reason to say goodbye.. because i know that death is not an end. i know i will see them again some day - that is part of mai faith. So instead of goodbye it is only until we are together again.. and in the time between, i have mai memories of them, i can even pray to them and know that they will hear me. Do you forget someone because they travel away from you? You cannot accept there are other ways of remembering and honoring the dead than cemeteries?
@Mikanojo Yeah there other ways but you forget cemeteries are there for us to remember the dead. Some cemeteries for centuries are you saying we should get rid of all those bodies? then make more land for the living? We already have too much land for the living as it is!
@Hallamfoebell In all honesty i see absolutely no reason to ever create another graveyard. In Nihon right now because of the devestation and the sheer number of dead, they are forced to create mass graves - not one more, not even ONE more graveyard should ever be created except in such extreme situations where no other choice is possible. There are other ways, MUCH better ways, to remember the dead than to collect their bodies and plant them in the ground.
@Mikanojo Well that was a castrophe that happened. yeah and then there is a memorial for them! so how is that any different from cemeteries? memorials take up SPACE! Yeah there should be tons more of graveyards for the dead so we can remember the dead! How by destorying the body? then forgetting it? Like I said there is forests that are for the dead that you wouldnt even know thats a graveyard full of dead bodies as you put it.
@Hallamfoebell SEcondly, to say that there is too much land for the living is really naive. There is not only land to live on that must be considered, what about crop fields to grow the grain to FEED the living? What about the land that must be used to build support structures like power and water treatment for the living? When you consider the different uses for land, a cemetery is the LEAST of choices.. at the bottom with landfill and junkyard. There are just much better uses for land.
@Mikanojo Oh there still there! Oh there all there. No it shouldnt be because like I said and YOU said a memorial and cemetary we remember the dead. How is a memorial any different from a cemetary? they both take up LAND for the living as you say! No junkyards are totally different from the dead. People forget the dead. Even with so called remembered memorials how does Memorials not take up space versus Cemeteries?
@Hallamfoebell Instead of a graveyard, what about a memorial site that allows for constructive use of the land? What about Hiroshima Peace Memorial, or the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall? What about adding names to a memorial park that has multipurpose positive uses for society as a whole, rather than another large plot of land set aside to fill with dead bodies? These are mai ideas of MUCH better alternatives to burials and to mausoleums and to keeping urns full of ashes.
@Mikanojo How is a memorial site any different from a cemetary? Both take up space. Both take away land from the living? The land for the dead bodies is remembrance too. Something you forget but you want a memorial which also takes up space too. No there isnt because you forget the person like I said before
@Mikanojo There already there. How is a memorial any different from a cemetary? Both take up land! Both take up space. You just lost the arguement. we have memorials and cemetaries to remember the dead. Mausoleums are there for history and the dead. Just like a cemetary to remember one day we will all be in the grave or in a tombstone above ground.
@Hallamfoebell As i already wrote.. a memorial site can be a multifunction space for all of society. A memorial site is a wonderful place for a park, for concerts, for public art exhibits, for street performers, for banquets, for weddings, for playgrounds and public pools.. So a MUCH better use of the land. NONE of those things can be done at a graveyard - they would be considered sacrilege since the ground of a graveyard is supposedly hallowed and so ONLY for filling with dead bodies.
@Mikanojo So can a cemetary but attiudes have to change. Well why not try to change peoples attuides towards that instead of trying to destory cemetarys?
@Hallamfoebell As i already wrote.. a memorial site can be a multifunction space for all of society. A memorial site is a wonderful place for a park, for concerts, for public art exhibits, for street performers, for banquets, for weddings, for playgrounds and public pools.. So a MUCH better use of the land. NONE of those things can be done at a graveyard - they would be considered sacrilege since the ground of a graveyard is hallowed and so ONLY for filling with dead bodies.
@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
@Mikanojo How do you know there rotting? How have we kept them? There in the ground. No its not grotesque its a rememberance of the dead. Like I said before its selfish to be creamated and then basically flushed down the toilet! Memorials are the same as cemeteries. well you should be happy more creamate and less dead bodies and more forgetting who they are!
@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
@Hallamfoebell To a point i can be sympathetic with you, you fear the change in US society away from tradition and you seem to also have worries about not having a body left after you die. I showed you very specific Bible scripture to answer that fear. As society grows it hopefully learns and evolves.. there is simply better ways to preserve history than collecting dead bodies - i fear your morbid obsession will not let you accept alternatives, so there is no more need to correspond about this.
@Mikanojo No your not your getting your wish no more cemeteries. No people dont learn anything. forget the dead and go with the living. we are not collecting the dead we are preserving history something which you dont want. Yeah i know be creamated and be forgotten
@Hallamfoebell --> you have written again and again that you do not even think ashes in an urn is sufficient remains for you to 'remember the dead'. I consider the actual person.. the spirit that once lived inside the body you cherish so much that you cannot bear to give up, even if it means collecting hundreds of corpses and taking up large fields of land - but if you actually DO have any faith, then you know that person is only free from a body now.. not gone. You want to hoard corpses..
@Hallamfoebell Regarding 'facts' about prices, with a bit of online peeking i found that According to the National Funeral Director's Association, the average cost of a wood coffin in 1999 was between $1,588 and $3,277, while the average cost of a metal coffin was between $880 and $6,227. - that was 1999 prices, before the US economy went into the much worse situation it is in now. So to compare the cost of a coffin with the cost of a used car is actually quite accurate.
@Hallamfoebell We do not say goodbye because we do not need to say goodbye.. to me that is the same as saying goodbye to their suit ne? The body is a temporary thing for a person.. NOT the whole person.. i looked up the name Bea Arthur since you wrote about her. IF you wish to honor her why not watch her shows and pray thanks to HER for making them? That makes more sense than visiting her dead ashes.
@Mikanojo we need to know where she is and where her ashes are. Yeah the body is and we need to remember the dead and with ashes you dont remember the dead.
@Hallamfoebell Do you realize what you just did? You just remembered her. Even without a body, even without knowing where you would travel to visit a corpse in a grave.. you remember her. So can you remember 'the dead' as you call her, with only ashes, without a casket, without a burial marker and a body? OF COURSE YOU CAN - AND YOU DID. ^_^ So how silly is it to keep complaining that you will not remember someone after they die if there is no corpse left to visit.
@Mikanojo You cannot. How do you you remember your great great great great great uncle aunt and Grandparents and cousins? Do you even know there names? Thats why you have a marker or plot to visit
@Hallamfoebell The names of every generation of our whole family is kept in a collection of family records.. such things are important to many Shinto, Buddhist and even some Christians - although the LDS fringe faith is probably the most zealous about tracking your origins, with the only possible exception MAYBE being the Nazis who were trying to maintain a big bold lie of 'racial purity' LOL Yes.. i have visited graveyards in the US. There is one not nearly far enough away from where we live.
@Hallamfoebell The names of every generation of our whole family is kept in a collection of family records.. such things are important to many Shinto, Buddhist and even some Christians - although the LDS fringe faith is probably the most zealous about tracking your origins, with the only possible exception MAYBE being the Nazis who were trying to maintain a big bold lie of 'racial purity' LOL Yes.. i have visited graveyards in the US. There is one not nearly far enough away from where we live.
@Mikanojo Yeah do htey have the names of every person not just Uncles Aunts and Grandparents but cousins and cousins thousands of times removed? So why do you say the cemeteries piles of crap and your stepping on them your not your stepping on the ground there 6 feet under.
@Hallamfoebell Please do not misquote me? And does it really matter how deep they are buried? When you consider the whole point of a graveyard is a collecting place for dead bodies? Does the shallowness of the graves make much difference? It was the spreading of the Black plague that made people even consider burying bodies deeper so that the disease would not spread.
@Mikanojo That was totally different. First they didnt know things back then as we know now. well did you know there eco friendly cememteries? ones you wouldnt even know they were cemeteries. No markers except for trees and forest.
@Hallamfoebell There is no need to say goodbye because they are not gone. All that is changed is that they no longer have a body to be there with you.. It is honestly creepy to me to think of someone wanting to save any part of a dead body in any way. You have a very Western idea of death and that is fine for you, but please try to understand that death has different meanings in different cultures. You need dead bodies laying around. but not everyone else does.
@Mikanojo Well I dont want to save any but i do want there remains in a cemetary to remind us of the death. well it maybe western but its also chinese. HAHA its not dead bodies laying around that would be unsanitary. cemeteries yeah to remember the dead. dead bodies cannot just lay around. Thats why there cemeteries for the dead.
@Hallamfoebell Mai obasan died when i was 14. We had only a few visits but most of them were good visits and i keep memories of them. When ever i think of Obasan, i could simply bow mai head quietly where ever i am and speak to her in prayer. When i still lived in Nihon i could also walk down 2 the end of the hall in our apartment and kneel down on the pillows in front of the shrine. i could look at a foto of her, even take down 1 of her old kanzashi to hold.. i could smell her perfume..
@Hallamfoebell You are so very wrong.. actually the scent of her perfume IS still there! It is old and faint but still there on the silk flowers on the kanzashi and it has lasted there for many many years.. you only need 2 hold it close and breathe 2 catch the scent.. i can hold it and close mai eyes and suddenly i am 13 again, brushing her hair - compare that to the Western act of visiting a stone in the middle of a field of similar stones, walking on top of hundreds of corpses.
@Mikanojo yeah okAYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Oh have you even been to cemeteries? There not in a field of simliar stones walking on top of hudreeds of corpses. Some have been creamated. after the viewing
plus since you say there is no space make space. We could have a buriel ground for the deceased under water they already have one for creamated remains why not remains that are not creamated?
@Hallamfoebell Now that i am adopted and living in USA, i can no longer hold the few items that were kept on the family shrine, and i am a member of a neu family, but none of that was able to remove the love and memories that i have of them in mai heart. It is no more about a watch or kanzashi.. or about a shrine.. it never was. It is about honoring the memories of time you shared with someone, and death should not change that in any way.
@Mikanojo No death shouldnt but we should have cemeteries to remember the dead. Since now people want to be creamated more and more and then cemeteries will dry up. Thats sad because then no one will remember death
@Hallamfoebell So really then is it change that you fear? The idea that the concept of cemeteries will eventually be a thing of the past, and you fear that cemeteries are the only way to remember someone who died? If you never met them here in this life, if you never knew them, then their death AND their cemetery marker mean exactly nothing to you.. how is that any different than what you describe as not remembering someone? Meet them in Heaven if you want.
@Mikanojo No I fear for the dead when they are being forgotten left and right. tell me why do we have the mounoment in the New York? to remember the DEAD. How do you know there is a heaven? Why do you care if your in a casket? you'll be dead anyway and do you realize when you are creameted they crush your bones. like a milk shake
@Hallamfoebell How do i know there is a Heaven? How do i know there is not? It becomes a question of faith and so a question that each person must ultimately decide for themselves. As far as them crushing mai bones, since i will no longer be in mai body. Some thing about Christians i do not understand.. why do some of you feel that a God who is otherwise all mighty, could not simply give you a neu body? The Bible tells you He will! 1 Corinthians 15:44-58 - that is why i do not say goodbye.
Plus cemeteries allow people to remember them sadly your getting your wish there was a cemetery and they removed all the dead bodies for friggen LAND to FORGET THEM! Plus if you say I dont know them why do you say you know them if its a page of paper? on a sheet of other people that are on that paper/
@dru177 What is she were a younger woman? If she began dating again.. how would any man who realized what it was she wore, not wonder and worry what she might turn HIM into if they married and he died? I believe in honoring the dead, NOT desecrating their bodies for the sake of vanity.. i wonder if he had a final wish for his remains? She is a selfish monster.. he deserves more honor than for his body to be USED as decoration!
@Mikanojo Personally me Idgaf what happens to my physical body after I die, I could be a skeleton in the back of a science class all I care is about is what happens to my spiritual body (heaven or hell if it exist) but I don't see any difference in cremation if someone wants to keep their love ones body in a urn (i wouldn't tho) but when someone does something like this it shows me how much the death affected them for even in the afterlife the want the person to somehow be with them
@Mikanojo Are you serious???? a diamond is the 2nd most valuble thing on this earth (not including love which is 1st important thing) and this woman has combined the 2.
@XEmWorldX A diamond is a rock. Made artificially 'rare' by the DeBeers diamond company to drive the price higher. This is not even a real diamond, it is THE BODY OF A PERSON.. USED as a DECORATION.. How is this different from treating a person like they were a slave, property to be bartered, bought or sold?? This is nothing less than the desecration of a person for the vanity of some SICK woman who wants to wear her husband's remains?!
@Mikanojo It is very different to all them things you listed. Her husband is dead. Ok my mum knows someone who has done this except for they had a bit of their wedding ring melted down and her husbands ashes put into the ring. There is nothing wrong with this. It is more nice and sweet than disrespectful. When people do things like this it is a nice thing. This is nothing to do with vanity. i see nothing wrong with someone doing this.
that's evil and wrong you'll be cursed if you mess around with a dead person remains what ever happened to fulfilling their unfinsished business? what if her husband wanted to have his remains scattered somewhere because he felt that was he wish he could do if he were able to be apart of what he loved?
@NilzeN1 It's not that easy to let someone you love go so obviously she isn't a whore, it's easy for you to let your love ones go cos you are a whore.
What's wrong with turning a pile of ashes into a diamond? I see nothing wrong with that. This diamond can live on forever now. This diamond was made with heat and cremation is made my flames. Same thing.
NilzeN1 any excuse to call a human a whore. She's not a whore. Don't take your sexual frustration out on her. She won't have sex with you.
@NilzeN1 LOL wow nice diss :) LooKs like it took you a long time to come up with that. Very creative. If your gonna diss me at least make it a good diss. I was clearly stating a fact. Any excuse for you to have an argument with a woman cos your too much of a pussy to fight with a man.
@NilzeN1 Oh and by the way, when you respond to my comment, can you make sure that your comment is a reply to my previous comment instead of saying something that's irelavent to what i'm saying. I know it's a big ask of you since your council estate, lower class, high school educated brain cannot take in that much information but i will only argue back with you if your comment is worth replying too next time. What i said was correct and right. As YouTube EdwardCurrent would say "check mate" :D
@NilzeN1 Nope, you not worth replying too, you had your chance. Here's a tip, train your brain, soak up knowledge cos your really dumb. i'm blocking you now.
@97Scarygirl we did it a long time ago before Funeral parlors started. a person doesnt have to be in the funeral parlor you know that? when it was old times the family would make the arrangements. Where to bury what clothes to wear and then they would mark the tombstone.
This is a very beautiful process. For information on a very reputable company that can give you real information about memorial diamonds, go to My Memorial Diamond .com
1-Take ashes put them in a black box called "the Diamonator-2000"
2-Take husband/wife out of the room
3-Dump the fucking ashes and replace with yellow shitty diamond
4-Bring woman/man back in, give her/him fucking diamond, get paid a shitload and leave the poor bitch to cry over some diamond you found in a thrift store that she/he keeps calling Honey.
It might inflate my ego a little but would in no way remind me of my deceased partner. Maybe if people just made a little more with the time they actually had together. I think there is somethhing really wierd with the whole idea - only for a specific type of person with a specific type of thinking.
No thanks.......not for me.
Like a lot of things these days - the idea sounds great and looks good from a business POV, But in theory - Come on man get real :):):)
Woo! Time to go on a killing spree.. The bigger the ppl the bigger the diamond??
BrianMixNitUp 3 months ago
i am all out lol
MsDaddyDiva 3 months ago
Imagine someone trying to steal the "ashes" away from her.
justrixx 4 months ago 3
am i the only 1 that hates @hallamfoebell and @mikanojo
sourdiesel141 4 months ago 5
why should we get rid of cemeteries because they make you uncomfortable? they are there to remind us and for rememberance of the dead. Plus its history
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
would be hilarious if she sold him....
XxpinkyemoxX1 4 months ago
I would feel sad for her if she broke her husband , then she would be a pair of earrings.
MsDaddyDiva 5 months ago
@MsDaddyDiva I would feel sad for her if they got stolen and pawned
MrTurnthatfrownaroun 4 months ago
@MrTurnthatfrownaroun i would feel sad for her if she lost down the dran
MsDaddyDiva 4 months ago
@MsDaddyDiva thats even worse
MrTurnthatfrownaroun 4 months ago
@MrTurnthatfrownaroun Getting seperated forever because of a houseold object
MrTurnthatfrownaroun 4 months ago
Women were created to chase after Shiny Objects (Diamonds, Gold, Jewelry, Fancy Cars, Glittering Mansions, Shiny Breast Implants, Shiny things at Stores etc..)
halcyon0830 5 months ago
Sucks if a crackhead robs it from you to buy rocks.
DrSAM69 5 months ago
lol, i don't approve. " when i'm dead, bury me"... i wouldn't want to be converted into a gem.
hcon15 5 months ago
After World War 2.. it was discovered that some of the Nazi party had been using the remains of slain Jewish people.. literally their skin, for the purpose of making decorative lamp shades. How is what this woman did ANY different really? How is this any less of an abomination, less of a desecration of a human being.. to convert their body into a piece of jewelry? A thing, a decoration now worn for the sake of vanity. i am crying. i cannot even look at this page any more.
Mikanojo 5 months ago
@Mikanojo Nazi killed the people whom bodies would be used in a cruel & evil way just for being different she loved her husband & wanted him to be with her even after he passed it has a symbolic meaning
dru177 5 months ago
@dru177 Consider the actual 'meaning' of jewelry. Jewelry serves TWO purposes. The most common purpose is vanity.. to either add pretty decorations to enhance your beauty, or to add expensive stones and metals to display wealth. The other less common purpose for jewelry is to show affiliation to an organization or belief. A membership pin, a cross or badge.. She is wearing the remains of her husband not as ashes like an urn or reliquary, but converted into a jewel. A pretty VANITY.
Mikanojo 5 months ago
@Mikanojo Wouldn't an urn be a decoration as well, It would of been disrespect to turn him into toilet paper or a type of deodorant, to me I see her reason as wearing the pendant made from her husband as a symbol for never leaving each other even after death, also I wear my grandfather's watch NOT for vanity as you say or to display wealth I wear it IN REMEMBRANCE & love NOT for people to think that I have money or because of a job its out of love & wouldn't trade the watch for any other
dru177 5 months ago
@dru177 Even you make a point to show the difference, between a keepsake like the watch that your father OWNED, as opposed to his BODY, that you would not want even in an urn in your home. You help illustrate the point i was making.. she wants him with her, instead of letting him go. And while an urn with his ashes inside would at least be a respectful reliquary for HOLDING his remains, instead she turned him into jewelry, converted him into a bauble to wear. It is so sick.
Mikanojo 5 months ago
@Mikanojo why not just bury him? what happened to funerals?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell I agree burial would be MUCH more respectful of the dead than the sick thing this woman has done to her husband's remains. I have been a Christian for a bit more than 4 years and now live in USA where burial is very common, but i was born in Sapporo and brought up in Ryobu Shinto.. the dead are cremated in sosai. Either is preferable to desecrating the man by converting him into a decoration for the sake of selfishness and vanity!
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No buriels are better. When your buried people can visit you
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell There is much to consider about burial versus cremation, especially in Nihon with 127,960,000 people living on a chain of small islands.. it takes space to bury bodies - would you bury them under roads or buildings?. In Shinto, the body is a vessel that a spirit inhabits, almost like a hermit crab lives in a shell. After death the shell is empty and OTHER spirits could use the body, like oni.. much better to destroy the empty shell rather than allow evil to enter it.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo YEP! I would why not in buildings or even malls? that way they are part of the city. Well in China you bury the body so they may enter the cestial kingdom with creamation where can that person find there place if they are creamated they can't. Well Shinto or Japanese right there skelaton is still there so people can enter the body still and use the bones. Yeah when the empty shell is gone there is not to remember them by
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell in Shinto and also in Buddhism, a body without a spirit is an unclean thing. They never even have urns set near temples for that reason. And it is a strange thing to me, to think that God would in any way be unable to let someone enter Heaven because their physical body was burned after they died and left it? The spirit is eternal - the body is dust and to dust it should return. In Shinto we remember our dead and it actually helps them to become Kami.. we honor them!
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo It should return naturally not by man made means which is creamation. Well you may remember but do others?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Instead of visiting a grave where the remains of a body are trapped in a 'hopefully' air-tight incredibly expensive buried coffin, or worse sitting on a shelf imprisoned in a mausoleum o_0 in Shinto we have small shrines for our family and when someone dies their name and picture and maybe a small item they had often with them is added to the shrine. Instead of a graveyard it is often inside our home and we see it every day and include the spirits of the dead in our prayers.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo OH whats wrong with a Mausoleum? coffins are only expensive if we allow them to be that way. Yeah and you never say good bye.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell It can seem strange or complex from the outside i guess, but as simple as i can explain.. in Shinto, your afterlife is determined by the good wishes and love and remembering of those you leave behind. So how well you treated others, how well they thought of you.. the more people that remember you well and in love, the more honored your spirit will be in the afterlife. The most honored become Kami.. not exactly angels in the Christian sense.. almost more like saints.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo and where are the ashes? scattered? if there scattered where can you visit there remains you cant.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Yes we all remember.. in Nihon it is a large part of our culture, not just a matter of religion. It is part of our daily life and honestly when i came to live in USA it was a part of mai life that i brought with me. No i did not build a shrine here, i am Christian now and it is not how it is done.. but in each nighttime prayer all of mai family is remembered. It is as regular a ritual as brushing your teeth. ~^_^~ but part of honoring our elders who made us who we are.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo See your christain and as a christain they are buried. Not creamated. Thats alot of people and the family if your not into geanology people forget your ancestors since everytime a person dies its not recorded somewhere or its not remembered. Thats why we have cemeteries to remember the dead. To record and a place for them to rest. Well you better marry a person of your religion which is not Christain so they remember the dead.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Why would you assume i am 'not into genealogy?' Family reverence is part of the culture, not simply a matter of religion, and as i already told you, we do record their names, we keep pictures, heirlooms and we also set small family shrines, inside our homes even if it is a tiny apartment. When you were little did you maybe learn to recite the Lord's prayer? i was taught to recite our family line! And yes, those bits of left over bone, those ashes.. that IS body parts o_0
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Because of the ash and keeping mementos of the dead. Yes I did but did I know all my cousin grandparents and great grandparents or great Uncles and Aunts NO. The living aunts and uncles never kept records and yes they were buried but who keeps the records for everyone? Yeah I know and then you scatter them in flower bush to say grow which human ash cant grow the dead human body can though if its not creamted though.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell No.. oh no.. even the idea of visiting left behind body parts is a Western ritual that only some of Nihon embraced.. it is done much more in the far south than in Sapporo, and it is done almost entirely by the Christians who live there. Instead of traveling to a grave yard or collection of ashes, we see pictures and read the names and may touch some little thing of theirs to remind us of them.. but they are not gone so there is no reason to say good-bye! Death is not an end.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Well its not the body parts if the person naturally died. Plus no it wasnt just westerns who did it Chinese English people bury there dead. But then what happens to there stuff? it gets sold or given to the family. Thats why we have cemeteries to remember the dead and to pay tribute to the dead in the cemeteries. Since they are also part of history. Think about the Hollywood cemeteries. Versus being creamated and forgotten.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Nobody is forgotten in Nihon when people die.. their families remember them, their friends remember them and we grow up being taught to remember them. In fact, to NOT remember them is the equivalent of a terrible sin! It dishonors them, your family who is living still, and your self. You go some place where bodies are planted, look at a carving on a stone and remember the spirit of someone you think is lost and gone - we do not. We carry our family spirits with us daily.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Then they need to buried not creamated. Because ash can fall on the ground and then what do you do with it you have to vacuum it up and put it in the trash you think your ashes are going to be in urns and only there? when your creamated the ashes are put in a plastic bag and some ash is in the bag still and they throw that bag away in the garbage so your remains are in the urn and the trash! How can you remember the spirits when you need to see the body to say GOOD BYE!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
Celebrities are creamated you then have to say good bye to the friggen URN!
NOt the person!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell What do you mean by 'naturally died'? o_0 As opposed 2 murder? Regarding cremation and Christians.. it has actually become much more common to cremate.. mostly because in USA it costs THOUSANDS of dollars to bury someone with a ceremony, a plot, a casket. As America becomes poorer and poorer as a nation, you will see more and more cremation and less connection to keeping body parts as a memorial. Christians have so many factions.. denominations that disagree.. some cremate.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo no it hasnt. ONly if the family chooses to have the body embalmed a viewing buried in the ground or above ground which costs less! Oh I know i know and that my friend is very sad! no the majorityh will creamate and be forgotten. since you proably dont even know where the ashes are buried or scattered for that matter. where is Bea arthur ashes where is Glenn SHadix ashes we dont know and we cant say GOOD BYE.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell We did NOT keep ashes.. no urn. no body parts left AT ALL. The ashes are scattered in the sea. NO.. we do not say goodbye, not to ashes not to some rotting body filled up with chemicals and foam padding to look like they are sleeping.. They live as spirits with no body.. they go where they wish, and in the Bible they are said to mostly be sleeping.. at rest. But then there is also stories in the Bible of restless spirits or spirits that were woke up early - Ghosts.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo See you forget them. You dont have to be filled up with chemicals at all the Amish do not embalm there dead. No its not foam padding. if you were to look up on youtube you will see all your perceptions are wrong. YEP thats because there murders were not solved. ashes in a urn or box you cannot say good bye too with a body you can.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell No we do not forget them.. and as many times as you repeat that you need to say goodbye i will point out again that there is no need to say goodbye at all. And everything i wrote abt embalming is true. Do not forget about how many people die from injury.. if the face is in any way disfigured they will use foam or in some places cotton balls 2 prop up and flesh out the cheeks, they will apply make up to remove the paleness of death..
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Yes you do since you know your ancestors from the 1700 hundreds do you? No it isnt because it depends on what type of chemicals they use. Well yeah and then the casket is closed if they body is disfigured. thats what happened with my Uncle a closed casket
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell They paint and stuff a corpse, filled with toxic chemicals to slow down decay.. and briefly put the body on display so that you can come and 'say goodbye' to the body of someone for your own reasons.. not for the dead person. Then they dig a big hole, throw the hermetically sealed casket in that costs more than a used car. and put a stone over it so that you can come back when you think about them and visit the dead body again. No thank you.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo you dont need to have the chemicals in you thats an option do you understand an OPTION! No it costs as much as you want you can be buried in pine maple wood which costs less then a used car! get your facts straight! OH I know be selfish
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell I was speaking of the average funeral and fees.. here where i live now in USA there is even commercials for extra life insurance just so that families can AFFORD to bury you after you die ~0_0~ how incredibly sad. When i die i know that mai death will NOT be a financial burden for mai family. Of course you can spend less or more.. and from what i have seen how much money you spend is supposed to equal how much respect you have for that person? It seems twisted and wrong.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Did you know the average mermorial is even more? since sometimes they have the memorial on a SHIP which cost much much more then a as you say an average funeral. Its not about respect its about allowing people to say GOOD BYE. You can even have a wake and then be creamated. which is less. How is it twisted to say good bye?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell How is it twisted to say good bye? Where exactly do you think they are GOING? You have this idea that death is the end of your relationship with someone, but really it is only the death of their physical body. The body is NOT the whole of a person. Funerals are mostly given for the living.. so that they can selfishly mourn what THEY think they are losing - instead of celebrating the deceased who are now finally free.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo its not twisted to say good bye but you need to say good bye to the phyiscal shell of the person. No not selfishly mourn you selfishly dont allow the person to mourn you because you think you look ugly in the coffin! LIKE I SAID there not nothing to mourn when your friggen ashes! NOTHING. No in a ton of culture like China and Chirstain culture there not.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell The only thing to mourn is your sense of loss. Funerals, coffins, graveyards.. stone markers.. it is all done as business for the living - not out of any consideration for the dead.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo So we should get rid of cememeteries and forget the dead? Oh before funeral parlors were a business all those things as you call it were done by the family members. the family would dig the hole they would buy the parts for the casket and they would buy the markers. So no it was considered for the dead.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell We should get rid of cemeteries and remember the people we love as they were when they were with us, with the full wisdom and understanding that if there IS a Heaven, that you will be REUNITED with them in the future. If your faith is truth then how is death any different than someone leaving for a long trip? You will be with them again.. why are you mourning AT ALL?
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell The only reason to ever say goodbye is when you leave someone. When you tell them that you no longer accept them in your life. When someone i care about dies, instead of pushing them away and feeling sorry for me.. i treasure every moment that i was able to share with them when they were alive, i revisit those memories in mai heart, and i keep their spirit honored by those memories.. NOT be holding on to their dead body - i wish you could understand.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo its not about the dead body as letting us see them for the last TIME! some people never get the chance to say GOOD BYE. I wish you could understand that! Who remembers those spirits you talk about if there is no marker or tombstone? or family buriel plot?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell If you can see someone in a picture, in your memory, then how is visiting a stone seeing anyone for the 'last' time? Now that we live in a world full of video, that woman you mentioned Bea Arthur can continue to entrain people even though her physical body is dead.. Even though she is dead.. consider that many many people may some day see her, hear her, for the FIRST time, years from now. You seem obsessed with wanting a physical body of the deceased, planted in the ground -->
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No because people forget. No I want a body in the ground to say this was a person. YOu seem obessed with out saying good bye and your memories live on. Not if you have never recorded the person or anything. So that doesnt change the fact we erect moununments to the deceased to remember them.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell i have no reason to say goodbye.. because i know that death is not an end. i know i will see them again some day - that is part of mai faith. So instead of goodbye it is only until we are together again.. and in the time between, i have mai memories of them, i can even pray to them and know that they will hear me. Do you forget someone because they travel away from you? You cannot accept there are other ways of remembering and honoring the dead than cemeteries?
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Yeah there other ways but you forget cemeteries are there for us to remember the dead. Some cemeteries for centuries are you saying we should get rid of all those bodies? then make more land for the living? We already have too much land for the living as it is!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell In all honesty i see absolutely no reason to ever create another graveyard. In Nihon right now because of the devestation and the sheer number of dead, they are forced to create mass graves - not one more, not even ONE more graveyard should ever be created except in such extreme situations where no other choice is possible. There are other ways, MUCH better ways, to remember the dead than to collect their bodies and plant them in the ground.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Well that was a castrophe that happened. yeah and then there is a memorial for them! so how is that any different from cemeteries? memorials take up SPACE! Yeah there should be tons more of graveyards for the dead so we can remember the dead! How by destorying the body? then forgetting it? Like I said there is forests that are for the dead that you wouldnt even know thats a graveyard full of dead bodies as you put it.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell SEcondly, to say that there is too much land for the living is really naive. There is not only land to live on that must be considered, what about crop fields to grow the grain to FEED the living? What about the land that must be used to build support structures like power and water treatment for the living? When you consider the different uses for land, a cemetery is the LEAST of choices.. at the bottom with landfill and junkyard. There are just much better uses for land.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Oh there still there! Oh there all there. No it shouldnt be because like I said and YOU said a memorial and cemetary we remember the dead. How is a memorial any different from a cemetary? they both take up LAND for the living as you say! No junkyards are totally different from the dead. People forget the dead. Even with so called remembered memorials how does Memorials not take up space versus Cemeteries?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Instead of a graveyard, what about a memorial site that allows for constructive use of the land? What about Hiroshima Peace Memorial, or the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall? What about adding names to a memorial park that has multipurpose positive uses for society as a whole, rather than another large plot of land set aside to fill with dead bodies? These are mai ideas of MUCH better alternatives to burials and to mausoleums and to keeping urns full of ashes.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo How is a memorial site any different from a cemetary? Both take up space. Both take away land from the living? The land for the dead bodies is remembrance too. Something you forget but you want a memorial which also takes up space too. No there isnt because you forget the person like I said before
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Mikanojo There already there. How is a memorial any different from a cemetary? Both take up land! Both take up space. You just lost the arguement. we have memorials and cemetaries to remember the dead. Mausoleums are there for history and the dead. Just like a cemetary to remember one day we will all be in the grave or in a tombstone above ground.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell As i already wrote.. a memorial site can be a multifunction space for all of society. A memorial site is a wonderful place for a park, for concerts, for public art exhibits, for street performers, for banquets, for weddings, for playgrounds and public pools.. So a MUCH better use of the land. NONE of those things can be done at a graveyard - they would be considered sacrilege since the ground of a graveyard is supposedly hallowed and so ONLY for filling with dead bodies.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo So can a cemetary but attiudes have to change. Well why not try to change peoples attuides towards that instead of trying to destory cemetarys?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell As i already wrote.. a memorial site can be a multifunction space for all of society. A memorial site is a wonderful place for a park, for concerts, for public art exhibits, for street performers, for banquets, for weddings, for playgrounds and public pools.. So a MUCH better use of the land. NONE of those things can be done at a graveyard - they would be considered sacrilege since the ground of a graveyard is hallowed and so ONLY for filling with dead bodies.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo How do you know there rotting? How have we kept them? There in the ground. No its not grotesque its a rememberance of the dead. Like I said before its selfish to be creamated and then basically flushed down the toilet! Memorials are the same as cemeteries. well you should be happy more creamate and less dead bodies and more forgetting who they are!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
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@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
Mikanojo 4 months ago
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@Hallamfoebell Mausoleums and graveyards only serve one function.. to hold dead bodies and slowly let them rot, because some people are so attached to the BODIES of the people they love that they want to keep them even after the person they love has died. It is truly grotesque and selfish beyond reason. I have proven that you do NOT need to keep dead bodies to remember the departed, that there are better uses for land, and better memorials - there is really nothing left to explain,
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell To a point i can be sympathetic with you, you fear the change in US society away from tradition and you seem to also have worries about not having a body left after you die. I showed you very specific Bible scripture to answer that fear. As society grows it hopefully learns and evolves.. there is simply better ways to preserve history than collecting dead bodies - i fear your morbid obsession will not let you accept alternatives, so there is no more need to correspond about this.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No your not your getting your wish no more cemeteries. No people dont learn anything. forget the dead and go with the living. we are not collecting the dead we are preserving history something which you dont want. Yeah i know be creamated and be forgotten
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell --> you have written again and again that you do not even think ashes in an urn is sufficient remains for you to 'remember the dead'. I consider the actual person.. the spirit that once lived inside the body you cherish so much that you cannot bear to give up, even if it means collecting hundreds of corpses and taking up large fields of land - but if you actually DO have any faith, then you know that person is only free from a body now.. not gone. You want to hoard corpses..
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No I want to remember the dead which you dont want to remember you want them gone and forgotten
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Regarding 'facts' about prices, with a bit of online peeking i found that According to the National Funeral Director's Association, the average cost of a wood coffin in 1999 was between $1,588 and $3,277, while the average cost of a metal coffin was between $880 and $6,227. - that was 1999 prices, before the US economy went into the much worse situation it is in now. So to compare the cost of a coffin with the cost of a used car is actually quite accurate.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo You can make your own you know? No it really isnt.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell We do not say goodbye because we do not need to say goodbye.. to me that is the same as saying goodbye to their suit ne? The body is a temporary thing for a person.. NOT the whole person.. i looked up the name Bea Arthur since you wrote about her. IF you wish to honor her why not watch her shows and pray thanks to HER for making them? That makes more sense than visiting her dead ashes.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo we need to know where she is and where her ashes are. Yeah the body is and we need to remember the dead and with ashes you dont remember the dead.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Do you realize what you just did? You just remembered her. Even without a body, even without knowing where you would travel to visit a corpse in a grave.. you remember her. So can you remember 'the dead' as you call her, with only ashes, without a casket, without a burial marker and a body? OF COURSE YOU CAN - AND YOU DID. ^_^ So how silly is it to keep complaining that you will not remember someone after they die if there is no corpse left to visit.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo You cannot. How do you you remember your great great great great great uncle aunt and Grandparents and cousins? Do you even know there names? Thats why you have a marker or plot to visit
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell The names of every generation of our whole family is kept in a collection of family records.. such things are important to many Shinto, Buddhist and even some Christians - although the LDS fringe faith is probably the most zealous about tracking your origins, with the only possible exception MAYBE being the Nazis who were trying to maintain a big bold lie of 'racial purity' LOL Yes.. i have visited graveyards in the US. There is one not nearly far enough away from where we live.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
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@Hallamfoebell The names of every generation of our whole family is kept in a collection of family records.. such things are important to many Shinto, Buddhist and even some Christians - although the LDS fringe faith is probably the most zealous about tracking your origins, with the only possible exception MAYBE being the Nazis who were trying to maintain a big bold lie of 'racial purity' LOL Yes.. i have visited graveyards in the US. There is one not nearly far enough away from where we live.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Yeah do htey have the names of every person not just Uncles Aunts and Grandparents but cousins and cousins thousands of times removed? So why do you say the cemeteries piles of crap and your stepping on them your not your stepping on the ground there 6 feet under.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Please do not misquote me? And does it really matter how deep they are buried? When you consider the whole point of a graveyard is a collecting place for dead bodies? Does the shallowness of the graves make much difference? It was the spreading of the Black plague that made people even consider burying bodies deeper so that the disease would not spread.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo That was totally different. First they didnt know things back then as we know now. well did you know there eco friendly cememteries? ones you wouldnt even know they were cemeteries. No markers except for trees and forest.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell There is no need to say goodbye because they are not gone. All that is changed is that they no longer have a body to be there with you.. It is honestly creepy to me to think of someone wanting to save any part of a dead body in any way. You have a very Western idea of death and that is fine for you, but please try to understand that death has different meanings in different cultures. You need dead bodies laying around. but not everyone else does.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo Well I dont want to save any but i do want there remains in a cemetary to remind us of the death. well it maybe western but its also chinese. HAHA its not dead bodies laying around that would be unsanitary. cemeteries yeah to remember the dead. dead bodies cannot just lay around. Thats why there cemeteries for the dead.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Mai obasan died when i was 14. We had only a few visits but most of them were good visits and i keep memories of them. When ever i think of Obasan, i could simply bow mai head quietly where ever i am and speak to her in prayer. When i still lived in Nihon i could also walk down 2 the end of the hall in our apartment and kneel down on the pillows in front of the shrine. i could look at a foto of her, even take down 1 of her old kanzashi to hold.. i could smell her perfume..
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo who is Mai Obasan? Well the perfume is no longer there cemeteries are more lasting.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell You are so very wrong.. actually the scent of her perfume IS still there! It is old and faint but still there on the silk flowers on the kanzashi and it has lasted there for many many years.. you only need 2 hold it close and breathe 2 catch the scent.. i can hold it and close mai eyes and suddenly i am 13 again, brushing her hair - compare that to the Western act of visiting a stone in the middle of a field of similar stones, walking on top of hundreds of corpses.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo yeah okAYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Oh have you even been to cemeteries? There not in a field of simliar stones walking on top of hudreeds of corpses. Some have been creamated. after the viewing
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
plus since you say there is no space make space. We could have a buriel ground for the deceased under water they already have one for creamated remains why not remains that are not creamated?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@dru177 and what happens if someone steals the watch your father or mother wore?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell Now that i am adopted and living in USA, i can no longer hold the few items that were kept on the family shrine, and i am a member of a neu family, but none of that was able to remove the love and memories that i have of them in mai heart. It is no more about a watch or kanzashi.. or about a shrine.. it never was. It is about honoring the memories of time you shared with someone, and death should not change that in any way.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No death shouldnt but we should have cemeteries to remember the dead. Since now people want to be creamated more and more and then cemeteries will dry up. Thats sad because then no one will remember death
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell So really then is it change that you fear? The idea that the concept of cemeteries will eventually be a thing of the past, and you fear that cemeteries are the only way to remember someone who died? If you never met them here in this life, if you never knew them, then their death AND their cemetery marker mean exactly nothing to you.. how is that any different than what you describe as not remembering someone? Meet them in Heaven if you want.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
@Mikanojo No I fear for the dead when they are being forgotten left and right. tell me why do we have the mounoment in the New York? to remember the DEAD. How do you know there is a heaven? Why do you care if your in a casket? you'll be dead anyway and do you realize when you are creameted they crush your bones. like a milk shake
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Hallamfoebell How do i know there is a Heaven? How do i know there is not? It becomes a question of faith and so a question that each person must ultimately decide for themselves. As far as them crushing mai bones, since i will no longer be in mai body. Some thing about Christians i do not understand.. why do some of you feel that a God who is otherwise all mighty, could not simply give you a neu body? The Bible tells you He will! 1 Corinthians 15:44-58 - that is why i do not say goodbye.
Mikanojo 4 months ago
Plus cemeteries allow people to remember them sadly your getting your wish there was a cemetery and they removed all the dead bodies for friggen LAND to FORGET THEM! Plus if you say I dont know them why do you say you know them if its a page of paper? on a sheet of other people that are on that paper/
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@dru177 What is she were a younger woman? If she began dating again.. how would any man who realized what it was she wore, not wonder and worry what she might turn HIM into if they married and he died? I believe in honoring the dead, NOT desecrating their bodies for the sake of vanity.. i wonder if he had a final wish for his remains? She is a selfish monster.. he deserves more honor than for his body to be USED as decoration!
Mikanojo 5 months ago
@Mikanojo Personally me Idgaf what happens to my physical body after I die, I could be a skeleton in the back of a science class all I care is about is what happens to my spiritual body (heaven or hell if it exist) but I don't see any difference in cremation if someone wants to keep their love ones body in a urn (i wouldn't tho) but when someone does something like this it shows me how much the death affected them for even in the afterlife the want the person to somehow be with them
dru177 5 months ago
@dru177 Oh its like keeping a finger of your loved one
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@dru177 and what are you going to do with the ashes give them to your next of kin come on!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@Mikanojo YEP
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
Interesting, good idea.
Would suck if someone stole him.
Only someone without a heart would steal.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
Dishonoring the dead, degrading someone by 'turning' them into an object. HOW SICK!. Let his spirit rest in peace you selfish evil monster.
Mikanojo 6 months ago
@Mikanojo Are you serious???? a diamond is the 2nd most valuble thing on this earth (not including love which is 1st important thing) and this woman has combined the 2.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@XEmWorldX A diamond is a rock. Made artificially 'rare' by the DeBeers diamond company to drive the price higher. This is not even a real diamond, it is THE BODY OF A PERSON.. USED as a DECORATION.. How is this different from treating a person like they were a slave, property to be bartered, bought or sold?? This is nothing less than the desecration of a person for the vanity of some SICK woman who wants to wear her husband's remains?!
Mikanojo 5 months ago
@Mikanojo It is very different to all them things you listed. Her husband is dead. Ok my mum knows someone who has done this except for they had a bit of their wedding ring melted down and her husbands ashes put into the ring. There is nothing wrong with this. It is more nice and sweet than disrespectful. When people do things like this it is a nice thing. This is nothing to do with vanity. i see nothing wrong with someone doing this.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@XEmWorldX WHY?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
@XEmWorldX combined the two and what happens when she dies is she going to be a diamond? come on!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
ow come
ProudlyQatari 6 months ago
that's evil and wrong you'll be cursed if you mess around with a dead person remains what ever happened to fulfilling their unfinsished business? what if her husband wanted to have his remains scattered somewhere because he felt that was he wish he could do if he were able to be apart of what he loved?
wadoichimoji 7 months ago
@wadoichimoji He could have told her...
imelroy 7 months ago
@wadoichimoji how is having your remains or ashes scattered any better?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
Turn your husband rid cage into necklaces.
PirateKing1256 8 months ago
old bitch let him go u whore
NilzeN1 8 months ago
@NilzeN1 It's not that easy to let someone you love go so obviously she isn't a whore, it's easy for you to let your love ones go cos you are a whore.
What's wrong with turning a pile of ashes into a diamond? I see nothing wrong with that. This diamond can live on forever now. This diamond was made with heat and cremation is made my flames. Same thing.
NilzeN1 any excuse to call a human a whore. She's not a whore. Don't take your sexual frustration out on her. She won't have sex with you.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@XEmWorldX i dont wanna have sex with her, it seems more that you want to when you see how long your comment is about protecting her:D
NilzeN1 5 months ago
@NilzeN1 LOL wow nice diss :) LooKs like it took you a long time to come up with that. Very creative. If your gonna diss me at least make it a good diss. I was clearly stating a fact. Any excuse for you to have an argument with a woman cos your too much of a pussy to fight with a man.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@NilzeN1 Oh and by the way, when you respond to my comment, can you make sure that your comment is a reply to my previous comment instead of saying something that's irelavent to what i'm saying. I know it's a big ask of you since your council estate, lower class, high school educated brain cannot take in that much information but i will only argue back with you if your comment is worth replying too next time. What i said was correct and right. As YouTube EdwardCurrent would say "check mate" :D
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@XEmWorldX lol youmad?:D
NilzeN1 5 months ago
@NilzeN1 Nope, you not worth replying too, you had your chance. Here's a tip, train your brain, soak up knowledge cos your really dumb. i'm blocking you now.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
maybe her husband didnt buy her a diamond so she turned him into one .lol
SuperBigapple12 10 months ago
I should do this to my boyfriend when he dies. (now all i need is a shovel) >_> Wha? Was i speaking my thoughts out loud?
97Scarygirl 10 months ago
@97Scarygirl No, you typed them
iloveGTA123 9 months ago
@97Scarygirl we did it a long time ago before Funeral parlors started. a person doesnt have to be in the funeral parlor you know that? when it was old times the family would make the arrangements. Where to bury what clothes to wear and then they would mark the tombstone.
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
thats so sweet. id be my wifes nipple rings
davidonspecialk 10 months ago
@davidonspecialk please tell me your kidding me
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
How did i get here?, can someone give me directions?
garynewman112 10 months ago
Is it legal?
oupsy80 11 months ago
@oupsy80 Yep, if it wasn't they would get arrested and the company would get shutdown for it.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
thats fucking disgusting
2pacalypse25 1 year ago
@2pacalypse25 nope it's not.
XEmWorldX 5 months ago
@XEmWorldX YES IT IS
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
I found a video too, is called how to make a diamond from human ashes --
pat0000 1 year ago
mymemorialdiamond(Dotcom) - This company makes diamonds out of ashes, I thought this is so cool!
pat0000 1 year ago
Talk about family jewels...
zimtower 1 year ago 6
This is a very beautiful process. For information on a very reputable company that can give you real information about memorial diamonds, go to My Memorial Diamond .com
parrishjared 1 year ago
@parrishjared are you crazy?
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
she said he had nice blue eyes... shh your necklace can hear you btch!
hjhpokemon 1 year ago
Here is how we do it:
1-Take ashes put them in a black box called "the Diamonator-2000"
2-Take husband/wife out of the room
3-Dump the fucking ashes and replace with yellow shitty diamond
4-Bring woman/man back in, give her/him fucking diamond, get paid a shitload and leave the poor bitch to cry over some diamond you found in a thrift store that she/he keeps calling Honey.
And voila! Thats how you make good business!
poukichi 1 year ago 8
@poukichi thats why be buried
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
is it really posible? diamond is basically compressed carbonate . Although hard to come by naturally? Humans are basically earth minerals
pureefficient 1 year ago
@pureefficient Yes ashes are basically pure carbon. If ashes are compressed they can become diamonds.
Rashik30 1 year ago
@Rashik30 i dont remember how long i posted that, but the day after this i watched im sure i figured it out
pureefficient 1 year ago
@Rashik30 yeah and then your forgotten!
Hallamfoebell 4 months ago
It might inflate my ego a little but would in no way remind me of my deceased partner. Maybe if people just made a little more with the time they actually had together. I think there is somethhing really wierd with the whole idea - only for a specific type of person with a specific type of thinking.
No thanks.......not for me.
Like a lot of things these days - the idea sounds great and looks good from a business POV, But in theory - Come on man get real :):):)
2JAMMY 1 year ago
i would be afraid to touch it
hunterwr69 1 year ago
So does this count as slavery or human traffiking?
HumaninSeoul 1 year ago
thats gross!!!!
DaringGirlProduction 1 year ago
Husbands are forever..
Misty9190 1 year ago 3
omg your wearing someones remains!
ferrarilover20 1 year ago
She got pissed cuz her man wouldn't buy her a diamond. So she killed him. And got her revenge xD
Joey24x 1 year ago
if i get turned into a diamond when i die atleast then ill be worth something still thinking about it though.
gamemaster634 1 year ago
That's kind of sweet. He'll always be with her.. :)
WonderfulMrShyne 1 year ago
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I wouldn't do this...
browncloudz 1 year ago
Look at your man. Now back at me. Now back at your man .. your man is now diamonds ..
xsuckafreesunday 1 year ago 12
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She's one sick fuck.
hjones1 1 year ago
they prolly just throw away the remains and sell this plastic
dejavu3552 1 year ago
omg...her husband is actually diamonds.
TheOneAndOnly699 1 year ago
The fuck?!
Rtyzd09 1 year ago
isaiah mustafa: Look again! her husband is now diamonds!
crapi4got 1 year ago
Interviewer: So, how did you morn the loss of your husband?
Crazy Lady: Well, I turned him into a key chain, a necklace and a Christmas tree ornament
Interviewer: Ah yes, very respectful, very classy.
=D
slimchaney7 1 year ago 4
no offense but i woul hate to be a piece of jewleryand put up with a woman every secong of eternity.
hiian123 1 year ago
wtf who does that?
deltaenforcer93 1 year ago
They burned him and made Family Jewels LOL.
narutopiepie 1 year ago