Mike Huckabee Fox New GOP Debate 4

[toomuchsoysauce]

abortion is wrong, unless the baby is gay...flush that shit down immediately

[MrAbolitionist]

Susan B. Anthony was not silent on abortion. She literally called it "child murder". How am I contradicting my self? I don't believe men have the right to murder the unborn or anyone either. Both men and women masturbate and no Pro Lifer wants to make that illegal. Comparing a fetus to sperm is scientifically innacurate. Sperm do not have a unique human genetic code of 46 chromosomes, fetuses do.

[4u2b1ib12]

Ladies, are you fools? Men have ruled using violence, politics, guilt, and religion to control you. Do I have a right to control your bodies? Death is death! Illness, age, accidents, murder, are part of life. If they counsel you about your unwanted child, are they going to pay for that child's upbringing and college? Pro-life women have been conditioned to play along or lose their position in a social group. Are you fools? I've had enough of men controlling you. Girl Power!

[MrAbolitionist]

Of the fifty-million children that have been aborted, a good number of them were girls.  Where were their rights?

[4u2b1ib12]

How many of those women did not want to have sex at the time their husbands raped them?

Your ego is at work and it is doing a bigoted job!

Come back, when you can understand my premise. Equality. Get in line, take a number, and have a seat! You and the rest are fearful of losing control and dominance over women, and that is the basis of your hollow point. Individual rights is my basis, or are you too slow to understand? Men kill in war! Death is death.

What you are promoting is antiquated.

[MrAbolitionist]

Look, personally attacking me doesn't prove anything which is why I'm not going to do it to you. You still haven't answered my question. What about the unborn women? I believe in individual liberty too, for all people, but I believe it starts at conception.

[4u2b1ib12]

Listen! You are part of the gnawed fabric of bigotry. Unborn women? You are contradicting yourself. Individual liberty is just that.  We are talking about a woman's rights. See, how you confusingly mix the men into the process? Semen is live, when passed. Are you stopping masturbation for enjoyment? A fool in a school projects the same ignorance. What you believe, as a man, is not license to control women. Violence gave you and ilk dominance. You can not deny that, can you?

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

on the issue of rape, rape is horrible terrible crime and the man who commits it should be given the highest form of punishment that the state has to offer. However, the child who is the result of the rape has done nothing and therefore should not be punnished with an abortion. I believe personally that if a women is raped, she should recieve federal funds to place the child up for adoption.

[4u2b1ib12]

Guess what, a black couple is not allowed to adopt a white child. Need I ask why? Federal money? Does that include a college education?

If it does, then you have my support. How many politicians can you convince? Go ahead! I will enjoy hearing them say it is a state issue. You are probably a theist. You have been brainwashed to mix ideas to favor your position. It is all the same confusion, to you. Notice, I mean all! You are not considering others rights, only what you think.

[MrAbolitionist]

Ok for the second time, personally attacking me does not prove anything. I am not antiwoman, as for the masterbation argument, there is a humongous difference between a sperm and a Fetus. The fetus has a human genetic code and has two human parents. Sperm have no parents. According to the law of biogenesis whatever is reproduced by two humans can only be a human. It is not just a religious belief, it is a scientific fact.

[4u2b1ib12]

Semen is live for days, when passed. A woman's egg is live for hours. That is the way nature set it up! The ejaculate in your tissue is a living entity. Get a candle-light vigil and blogspot going. Conduct a telethon for semen's rights. Go ahead! Moral issues are nothing compared to nature's machinations.

God and religion are mythological plagiarism.

"The wisdom of any society results in chaos, when acted upon by fools." -4u2b1ib12

You another, in a long line of enjoyable debates.

[MrAbolitionist]

You seem to think that I'm trying to control women. I am not. I believe very firmly that women should be alowed to make as many choices as men do. However, when a choice physically harms an individual, than said choice should not be legal to be done by men or women. Susan B. Anthony herself believed that abortion was child murder. We are not anti woman.

[4u2b1ib12]

Notice: I mean ALL!

You are still trying to control women! Again, semen is live when passed. Are you stopping masturbation, by men? Susan B. Anthony was an abolitionist and civil rights supporter. She could not deal with abortion, while supporting equality. Are you mixing ignorance, again? Contradicting your point,"... that women should be allowed to make as many choices as men do...," with abortion is wrong and defeats your intent.

The erroneous basis is still male ego and dominance.

[MrAbolitionist]

Look if you want to know the real reason why we believe that abortion is wrong, look up pictures of abortions. You will see human beings, like you and me, do you really think the reason we are against it is because women choose. We are not against women choosing, we are against women murdering.

[4u2b1ib12]

And, so? How about the pictures of war or holocaust? The drawing of the religious dark ages, crusades, and inquisition? Well? Death is death. What of the big fanfare in war movies, crime on T.V. and vigilante justice? Lynching by racist? Well?

Back to semen. What will you call your campaign? You can not get away, from me.

You are digging a hole in the middle of the ocean. You get nowhere and all can see what you are doing. Getting nowhere, fast.

Back to semen. Well?

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

you described the holocaust, lynching, the cruscades and other crimes against humanity. I'm kind of confused are you asying that abortion is just as bad as those. (I believe that it is) If so, than why do you still want it legal. I don't know what you mean by "back to semen". I've given you scientific arguments on how their not comparable, and you haven't refuted them. Any way, for the sake of discussion and common ground, do you believe that abortion should be totally unrestricted?

[MrAbolitionist]

They're*

[4u2b1ib12]

Death is death! Everything you repeated was legal, due to the entities in control at the time. Abortion is legal.

Semen is live, and an egg is live. Mixing the two creates a zygote.

A woman's choice should be unrestricted, not a man's opinion. You, "say," you believe it should be equal, between men and women.

That is a lie, so you can get sex from women.

You have the thought, in the back of your mind, to have sex with women. You lie to gain favor, by mixing ideas. Typical.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

The holocaust, the cruscades, lynching were legal, but should not have been legal because they were harming innocent human beings, just like how abortion harms an innocent human being. I am not lying to have sex with woman. I am a proud virgin, and have never lied to a woman to have sex with her. Plus abortion is very convenient for men who do have premarital sex. Many women who do have abortion do so because they are pressured to by their boyfriends.

[4u2b1ib12]

The legal events were part of those societies, an external influence. Individual choice is internal, as is your choice to wait for marriage. All do not have the same sexual desires or drive, I think you understand. When you meet someone that is compatible, the best to you both. That is your life, and completely excludes you, and yours, from any position or control over any others lives or life-style. Or are you a judgmental hypocrite? You are right and I am still happy.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

Allright, let me ask you. this whole argument hinges on wether or not the unborn are human(not just alive). If they are not, then abortion is ok and needs no justification. But if the unborn are human, than abortion is homoscide and no justification is sufficient. So when do you believe that someone becomes human?

[4u2b1ib12]

No! This debate hinges on male ego and dominance. Abortion is legal You want to deny the Law, with your so-called moral high-ground. It is a woman's right, that you deny, for sake of pride and control.

So, the question of you being a judgmental hypocrite is yes. Go in to politics, with the rest of the fools, and change the Law.

Women have a far stronger voice, in these modern days.

You want to argue, I prefer discuss. What is disgusting is your vain attempt at subjugation.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

How does it not hinge upon the unborn's humanity? Are you saying that even if the unborn are human abortion should still be okay?

[4u2b1ib12]

Correction: vane.

It does not hinge, because you are a man. My point is the Law, not me. You mentioned equal rights and that excludes both of us from telling any woman what to do with her body. Individual rights are protected by the Constitution, and the US Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade, passed judgment. That precludes you and pro-lifers from denying any woman her rights. Everyday I get more, "friend invites," from women. Does that tell you anything?

IT IS ABOUT A WOMAN'S RIGHT!

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

arguments don't have gender, you can't disqualify the humanity of the unborn just because I'm a guy. Besides Roe v. Wade was decided by guys too, and Jane Roe, the woman who won the case, now regrets it. My gender does not negate the legitimate question of the humanity of the unborn. No one, man or woman has the right to kill an innocent human being. This is not a war of the sexes. Men and women are on both sides. Now I still want your answer. When are we human?

[4u2b1ib12]

Our debate is about gender and control. You choose the fearful male ego, and I choose logic beyond my emotions. The, "guys," who decided Roe v. Wade, are on my side. It is the war of he sexes, if you want to control females, and their choice(s).

ANSWER: We are human when we accept a humans rights and support their choice(s)!

You have your answer, from me. Well? An individual's choice, (internal), is their right. Controlling another, (external), is not a right.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

no, you can't say that I'm wrong on this issue because I'm a guy but say that other guys are right because they agree with you. I once again point to Susan B. Anthony, she was just as pro life as I am. She called abortion child murder. Men use abortion in order to avoid responcibility. It is women abuse and child abuse.

[4u2b1ib12]

Your evasiveness, in avoiding the issue, is commonplace. I dealt with Susan B. Anthony in a previous post. I am not saying you are wrong.

I am stating the Constitution stands, by way of the U.S Supreme Court deciding on Roe v. Wade!

Change the Law. Are you a Supreme Court Justice? You called them guys!

Oh, look-up TruthLeaker. I have an ongoing debate with dodgersandstorm. He has the same evasive and non-committal mixed bag of confusion and lust for power over women.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

Okay before I respond, let me explain why I have an issue with name calling. It's more than just rude, name calling is a type of fallacie called "Ad hominem". It's where you use a personal attack as an argument. In formal debate it is concidered a foul play. Now I have answered the "it's a women's right claim." and I have given you scientific proof of the humanity of the unborn. As for have I lusted, yeah. That doesn't disprove my case. Such an argument is Ad hominem.

[4u2b1ib12]

Your excuses have no foundation. You are trying to control women without name calling, and there is no difference, to me. My ad hominem point is common to all living entities. Are you the only one who ever lusted? Your case is based on control, fear, and oligarchy.

Your circular logic reminds me of an atheist quote: "Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Einstein

He became an atheist at eight years of age.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

I have told you why I believe what I believe. It has nothing to do with fear. Yet you pass judgement on me, even though you have never met me. I have no desire to control women. In fact I supported the McCain/Palin. I was perfectly okay with putting a women in one the most powerful positions on earth. And don't say Palin doesn't count cause she is pro-life. She is still a woman, and I would never support a women in political power, if I had the motivations that you claim I have.

[4u2b1ib12]

I agree with you! You have the right to believe whatever you want, no doubt here. You, however, have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. Do what you want, with your body and life.

That was never at issue, back to circular logic.

Gov. Palin is arrogant.  She has creationist motivations, which do not work, historically. She will not study thinking her persona, (male or female), is the ticket to the presidency.

Ill prepared and evasive, she thought herself superior.

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

My case is based on the humanity of the unborn. A fact that the scientific community have come to consensus on. A fact that is supported by the law of biogenesis

[4u2b1ib12]

You case is an ad hominem attack on a woman's right, with non-profane judgment. I did explain the internal vs. external. I do not have to meet your, nor know who you are. That is for your limited mind, not mine. It is called profiling, professionally. It is incredibly easy for me to access your character without seeing what you look like. There are thousands of others like me. I am not that special, so cut out the poor-little-me.

You are as wise as Gov. Palin. Pretty good?

You?

[4u2b1ib12]

You too? It is a woman's right, by Law. Adult men have killed, and religion has killed more than all abortions ever performed. Your ego is in play, and does not suit well with intelligent women. They see right though you, and you can not figure that out, for sure. Stop all wars, then you can talk. You and the rest want to be the boss of everything, and that will never work. We as individuals can do what we want with our bodies. Do you masturbate?

Semen lives for days. Life?

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

Masturbation is not comaprable to abortion. Any embryologist will tell you that the unborn is a human being while sperm is not. You are the one being evasive. Instead of confronting the fact that children are being murdered. You point to war, which has nothing to do with abortion. Religion is not the only thing saying that the unborn are human. The scientific community agrees.

[4u2b1ib12]

Why does the medical community conduct abortions? It is a service, to women. Women may need an abortion for many reasons. That is my point. You do not know why a woman may need an abortion? Will you provide for the child, for life? What you want is to control others,(women), and me. I do not want to change your mind, nor life.  That is your power trip, put simply. Leave people to their rights. That I will defend, vehemently. It has been great to debate with you.

Goodbye! Fool!

[MrAbolitionist]

"Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." (Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.)

[4u2b1ib12]

Yep, you are right, no doubt. I was being as evasive as you were, SUCKER!

Later, FOOl!

[ReagleRob777]

what about the baby thats being aborted rights? Im sure if that baby as able to speak for himelf it would choose life, its only natural. I dont know why they call it pro-choice when the innocent baby doesnt get a choice at all.What happens to the babies rights or do you think he/she has none? God bless

[4u2b1ib12]

ReagleRob777,

Death is death!

The woman has the right. You, nor I know the mental, physical, or economic health of a woman. Will you pay? Well?

Male ego drives hypocrisy. God and religion are mythological plagiarism, based on pagan ritual.

All Holy scriptures order women to be subjugated, and subservient. Cowards want that, to include pedophilia. Judges 21:7-23

Jesus did not die for my sins. He was crucified for heresy.

Matthew 23:33

Matthew 26:3-4

I am Atheist.

Best wishes.

[ReagleRob777]

I completely disagree with your view of the Bible. God created woman as a help mate for man. The Bible says But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God 1 Cor.11:3. It also says Love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy Eph 5:23 It goes on to say men should love their wives as themselves. Jesus loves you no matter what.and he died for you.

Jn 3:16,Mat 20:28

[4u2b1ib12]

ReagleRob777,

It is not about what I say. I offered Book, Chapter, and Verse. How can that be confused? It may be your interpretation, but it is not the quote(s) I offered. It is in the Book!

I am not bound by the threat of Hell, or the reward of Heaven, least the salvation of Jesus.

O.K. I will offer you the same question:

If God created everything, who created God?

You?

[ReagleRob777]

I also am not bound by the threat of hell or reward of heaven. Heaven is my reward, but I dont serve Jesus just cause i want to go to heaven I serve Him cause I love Him. If i die and I find out that there isnt a heaven or hell(which i know there is) What have I lost? nothing I would live for living for Jesus is the greatest life to live. Now if you die and you find out there is a heaven and hell what have u lost? everything. God was not created lol he always was the scriptures bear that out.

[4u2b1ib12]

ReagleRob777,

Your first and second sentences disagree with each other. I use science, logic, and reasoning. Besides words, how can you prove there is a Heaven, or Hell? The greatest gift is good, given to the world.

I lose, living for something beyond self. My reward(s) are the acts of contribution, by good works.

"The hardest part of hope is reality, and the easiest part of will is history." -4u2b1ib12

I do consider the philosophy of what Jesus spake; as I do many great minds.

You?

[ReagleRob777]

Thats the whole point, Its a walk of faith. You over analyze it which a lot of smart people do. and the greatest gift to the world was good cause it was Jesus Christ who was God manifested in flesh reconciling himself to the world, but i realize we will never see eye to eye on this unless you have a fundamental change in your life, but just know that one day every knee will bow and every tounge will confess the Jesus is Lord. Jesus loves you and will take you in if youll just ask Him and believe

[4u2b1ib12]

ReagleRob777,

Faith is part of emotions. I am accessing, the confusion in my mind, with questions.

Logic:

If God created everything, who created God?

If your belief/faith/emotions make you feel well, safe, sound, and bring you peace, so be it! I do not want to change your mind, heart, or soul.

When anyone imposes on others, my questions abound. I am happy! You and ilk, offer threats and reward with conditions. I think for my self. Jesus spake to the one(1).

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

Now listen, If you persist in using ad hominems, I will refuse to comment back. I will not argue with someone who is unable to articulate their views without resorting to insults

[4u2b1ib12]

Good, you can use your excuses at your local religious gathering. They want to control women, just as you do, with the same ignorance.

God and religion are mythological plagiarism.

Religion has killed more people than all civil wars and abortion combined. You can justify your actions any way you want. It is your right, as any woman has hers. Have you noticed, you are a man?

In other words, you have nothing, but an easy excuse to leave. Later, good-bye, see ya, so long, farewell. Fool!

[MrAbolitionist]

And I don't want to control women. I want to protect the unborn. I'll crarify again I'm not against women choosing, I am against women (or anyone for that matter) murdering. Do you see pro lifers pro testing a women's right to own a bussiness, or run for office, or own land? NO! We are against a certain operation that kills people. We don't care who chooses it

[MrAbolitionist]

Also, I'm not the one calling people names and making personal attacks. You on the other hand after I asked you twice, still called me names, and actually accused me (someone you never met.) of being a womanizer. I have been anything but judgemental toward you.

[4u2b1ib12]

"Stupid is, as stupid does," said Forrest Gump.

I went back over our posts, and I never called you a womanizer.

You are cut out for politics. Excuses, stories, and lies are a prerequisite for office. You approached me. Fool means poor judgment.

It shows poor judgment to control women. Violence has worked, but resulted in negative outcomes. Could you answer to my last statement, "It is about a woman's right?"

I know you can look, but will not see.

Have you ever lusted?

You?

[MrAbolitionist]

You said that I lied to women to have sex with them. In short you called me a womanizer. I did answer your question. I said that no one man or women has the right to kill a human being. (do you agree?) which is why the issue hinges on the humanity of the unborn.

[MrAbolitionist]

Now instead of accusing me(someone you never met) of being shovanistic. disproove the humanity of the unborn. (comparing them to sperm is not accurate) If you are able to then congrats, abortion is not homiscide. If you can't then I will make my case of why they are.

[MrAbolitionist]

The egg and semen are "alive" but they are not human because they do not have to human parents. The unborn do have two human parents and a unique human genetic code, just like you and I do.

[Dagon368]

Islamic jihadists are to a man anti-abortion...

[LuYuRoFr]

Haha McCain FTW!! Mac is back!

[manylaughs7]

the more and more i wacth him, the more and more respect i have for him. He can stand up there and fight for exctly what he believes and doesn't back down, knowing that it will either make or break him. GO MIKE HUCKABEE!!!

[wolfhidden]

well said again on another big issue go mike huckabee

[perfumouni]

Huckabee is by far the best...

Go huck Go...

[newmankey]

I think Mike Huckabee hasn't yet been touched by the dirtiness and greed of Washington politics, and if he becomes President it will be an uphill battle. It is no wonder that all of the Ceasers of ancient Greece have busts depicting them so depressed and saddened.

[LuYuRoFr]

How can you call it The Land of the Free, if you dont even have the right to make an abortion and marry whoever you want? The number 1 rule in politics is to NEVER mix it with religion. Thats just lethal!

[JorekTopel]

My freedom stops at your doorstep. We have enourmous freedom in America compared to many nations in the world, that doesnt mean we have the "freedom" to murder an unborn child.

[LuYuRoFr]

Rather bring an unwanted child into the world? It will be hated by the mother and the father probably doesnt give a crap about it. Do you seriously think these women like doing abortions!? Do you think they have unprotected sex (since those christian morons doesnt want to learn american children about safe sex) just to abort it? Give my comments as many minus you want, I dont really care anymore...

[geekworks]

ever heard of adoption? you know, that institution that places children with loving families? and i wonder if the women who get abortions really know what theyre doing.

[Dagon368]

25 million kids up for adoption since abortion was legalised?

That's how many abortions there have been.

[Spaztastica]

LuTuRoFr, the facts oppose your "unwanted' child theory, because the majority of children who are abused were "wanted" children. And irreguardless of this fact, geekworks is right. There is no such thing as an unwanted child, because there are always couples willing to adopt.

[lilxaznelsie]

That "unwanted child" you're talking about has the right to live just as much as you had to the right to live when you were unborn. Just because two people chose to be irresponsible doesn't make it right for them to escape a responsibilty through abortion. Life is precious. It's not just some THING that should be eliminated just because someone is not brave enough to not face a consequence. Those unborn children are innocent; give them a chance to see this world.

[alvarojimenezc]

Huckabee...!!! for president.-..!!!

DAAAA GIULIANO BUUUUU

[dieonyourfeetDEC16]

NEW HOPE?? huckabee supports an unconstitutional war with no end, you seriously think you can bring stability to the region with force?he ignores this administration pursuing a NORTH AMERICAN UNION which will eliminate the constitution and this country, he ignores the problem with giving a few people control of our money, the Federal Reserve which robing people through inflation. Alot is at stake do your research and you'll see RON PAUL is our only hope.

[darealest006]

ok people. I'm about to say something and everyone is going to be shocked. I'M BLACK, I'M A REPUBLICAN, AND I'M VOTING FOR HUCKABEE! Yes, I'm breaking everyone's racist rules!

[geekworks]

good job :)

[ewupawly]

this kevin spacey lookalike is such a phoney.. you have to be an idiot to not see that he is full of shit (or maybe you havent met these kind of people in your own life) our culture values life? tell that to a katrina victim

[losangeles4huckabee]

With all due respect, I have to disagree with this comment completely. when he was Governor of Arkansas, Huckabee opened up the state to Katrina victims, taking in thousands of people and providing them with food, shelter, comfort and (most importantly) a home. He is a man of honor, and showed it in that instance.

[Atreus21]

I'm a Katrina victim, and I'd vote for this guy.

[voteMikeHuckabee]

I LIKE MIKE. He's prolife!

[shallowbthygame]

Capital Punishment is a practice usually advocated by the right. Does anyone know what Huckabee's position is on this? If it is perhaps contrary to his statement in this video?

[vikingRULES]

lol that doesnt contradict this statement at all. A murderer has proven that he has wasted his life by killing another person's life. A murderer is more of a threat to people than an unborn fetus

[brainards1]

This man is awesome to listen too. I will not be surprised if he is our next President...beating Hillary Clinton in 2008. There is no way that Hillary can out smart this man. He is simply brilliant!

[geekworks]

i dunno brainards. I do strongly agree that hes got the repub. vote. why else would the other guys attack him unless they weren't scared of him? He is a really good speaker, hasn't flipped more than a fast food joint and evangelicals get -FINALLY- a legit faith based leader thats willing to put it on the table. But I have to admit that the First Feminist is a highly intelligent womyn. and every god hating liberal in the nation will vote against him.

[audiegates]

How wonderful it would be to have a President as articulate as this man is!

[chukmaty]

Governor Huckabee is da man!

[oOPepsiLoverOo]

Huckabee is awesome!!!

[soulsamurai]

The way that Gov Huckabee answers here is brilliant, it demonstrates his grasp of the greater issues at stake. It also demonstrates his ability to comunicate his ideas & thinking. That he also commended Mayor Guiliani for his honesty on the issue speaks to Mike's sincere character. All excellent qualities in a leader.

[unw0rthy]

This guy is really awesome. I love his answer, it's absolutely true, you can't be opposed to something and then sit there and allow it to happen if you're the President.

[heathac]

Wow, that was a great answer!