I love your videos, and find them very informative. I'm a roman catholic seminarian, and planning on writing my thesis paper on similarities and differences between the theologies of catholic and protestant church. I knew almost nothing about what anglicans belive, and I wanted to thank you for your work. I might adress you with some questions in private, if you can help me.
The Anglican church is Catholic! You believe in each other. Catholic is not Christian and if you believe in the Catholic religion then you are fooling yourself that you are a Christian. The Bible says no graven images (idols) your church is full of it, call no man father - that is all you all do. Darkness and light do not go together. sacraments cant help you. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ can help us get salvation. Faith with out works is dead yes but not faith with out Sacraments is dead!
@Donking595 Yes, while we are not in Communion with the Pope we are definitely Catholic. I do not know what "Idols" you are referring to. You are quoting Matt 23.9 out of context entirely.
If you wish to have a serious discussion I invite you to message me.
@MapleAnglican Yes, i very agree with you. Anglican definitely Catholic. But what the different is we do not honor Mary. Isn't it? So how come we pray the the Rosary..I don't know may be in other country Anglican pray the Rosary. We do not practice this prayer in our country- Malaysia Anglicanism
@ThePaulJimmy While I have never used a Rosary myself I do know a few Anglo-Catholics at a Parish here in Edmonton that do use a Rosary. However, Anglicans who do follow this type of a devotion are definitely a minority. Thanks again for watching the videos.
@ThePaulJimmy I just talked to angelican she hates talking about God and uses his name as the lower case g you angelicans better smart up and step out in your faith or God is going to get ticked off at you like he is with the other churches around the world to this day.
@ThePaulJimmy God well not be mocked and there well be no praying to someone else other then your Jesus who goes to the father you dont pray to the dead they cant hear nor do they listen to your prayers the catholics were trying to teach this is what they get out of scripture i said thats not what it says. the problem is there interpreting this way because thats how they were taught by there other books. angelicans to this day are just retarrded
@ThePaulJimmy i dont want anything to do with them as far as there belief system the holy Spirit is not going to be with them if there going mock God.
@ThePaulJimmy no angelican should be praying the roasary thats giving honor prayer to mary you dont do that considered idoltry to God its in his word why do the angelicans dont understand this ok you say you dont do it ok im interested in what your belief is teaching you i am a chrstian nice to meet you i well not judge you but if your in error then i well correct you in righteous judgement.
@MapleAnglican How ever even the people who say we had no choice you have always have choice you know it goes like this your church says we are not going to give you money if you dont vote for gay marriage for us you simply tell them to go to hell cause there where there heading the word of God comdems them not me and then you leave and God well take care of you but people dont they stay and say ok we well do what you tell us like guinny pigs.
@Donking595 i 100 percent agree wiht you they are catholics and i would not put them any closer then the lutherans and im ashamed of the churches who decided to go against God in same sex marriage woe to those who have done this there in Gods wrath now and thats God is allowing things to happen now even to the church more so to this day.
@Donking595 notice he said gay angelicans there are gay angelicans dude your either or the other it seems the angelicans just have not taken out time to read the bible i talked to a priest what was it last week he told me he has not even finished the bible from front to back cover what the heck is going on with the church that would tell you?
@Donking595 so we see its not just the catholics who are falling but also other churches who separated from them as well some to get more members so lets go a head and vote yes on lets have gay marriage to get some more faces even though those are committing abominations in Gods eyes lets go ahead and allow it. we are not afraid. Very sad and its also true of what revelation says i recommend all angelic ans to actually read the word of Godf you have no idea what your doing
But you don't have apostolic succession, one the anglican church left the true church(catholic church) and also the anglican church has ordained women. I am not being women hating but it is a man's role since christ was a male.
@Tomas21052 Christ was certainly a male, but he was also Jewish, and in many Jewish texts God is without Gender, as gender is but a human quality. In many Anglican Churches during Holy Week, it is exclaimed 'Christ is Risen! Hallelujah, Hallelujah!' by the male priests, when it was Mary Magdalene who first said these words. The same Mary who in the lost Gospels lead the Church after the male disciples fled in fear of persecution. Look up Peter Owen Jones: Lost Gospels. He's an Anglican Priest.
@BeeJayEm1 yes but mary magdalane was not in the room at the time of the coming of the holy ghost and therefore not part of apostolic sucession and cannot be ordained priests. but the lost gospels are heretical thats why they were not part of the bible canon. Thats why you should stay with the proper bible cannon
Couple of things "Via Media" - pronunciation: stress should be on the "i" in each word ;) The 3rd largest body of Christians is probably the Lutheran church which claims 87 million adherents, while the Anglican church claims 80 million. Also of the three creeds you mentioned, only the Nicaean-Constantinoplan creed is of the "early church" as a whole. The other two were used exclusively in the west but are not accepted by Orthodoxy. Also, good job! Greetings from an AngloAnglican. Pax Vobiscum!
@TheCrazyCello The World Lutheran Federation isn't really a Communion. Since I did this video the World Communion of Reformed Churches is now larger than the Anglican Communion though.
@MapleAnglican Oh those reformeds... I didn't realise that they were no longer the World Alliance of Reformed Churches. I think it's probably a close call though, If they're using concepts like "being in communion" perhaps there is hope for them yet... We'll have to hope the American Episcopalians can convince the American Lutherans that apostolic succession is actually pretty boss and communion would be a sweet deal. Unless of course they get excommunicated for all the gays :(
@TheCrazyCello The Anglican Church of Canadian and the Episcopal Church are in Communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Churches in both countries, both Churches having recovered Apostolic Succession from Anglicans and the Church of Sweden.
I've spoken with a few older priests and they view the attitude in the Anglican Churches to better than during the 1960s with the debates on remarriage of Divorced persons. In 50 years will be arguing about something else as per usual.
@MapleAnglican That's really cool! Seems like I'm a bit out of date on everything... sorry. This is what happens when you ignore the church present to delve into church history...
As for the gay issue, I was referring more to the divide within the Anglican Communion, rather than any differences between Episcopalians and Lutherans in the US.
Generally, what is Anglicans' stance on the key dividing issue between Rome and Protestants, namely, Sola Fide? Also, what are their views concerning the Doctrines of Grace (Calvinism)?
@AgApE010 While the Anglicans of the 16th Century leaned heavily to a Calvinist Sotierological formula they never really adopted Sola Fide. Contemporary Anglicans would hold that we are Justified by Faith, however, we would not say Faith Alone. Anglicans have always held that the Sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist are "Generally Necessary" for salvation.
Do to the character limitations it's hard to answer your questions better so you could send me a PM.
@MapleAnglican Indeed - it depends strongly on churchmanship. Low Anglicans are generally calvinistic. High Anglicans would take a virtually Catholic understanding on justification and atonement. In the centre there are a lot of Arminian leanings on the matter of justification, but often more catholic views on the purpose of grace, sanctity and the sacraments.
@chocchipcookiegirl There are some Anglicans who will regularly pray to the Saints, included the Blessed Virgin Mary. However these Anglicans would be in the minority. The only hard doctrinal statement regarding the invocation of Saints would come from Article XXII of the XXXIX Articles of Religion which firmly denounces the practice. However, this and a few other Articles are not held in the esteem that they use to hold.
bit .ly/sh8STY <--- XXXIX Articles of Religion on my Website
Thanks for your response, I thought that years ago with the Anglican/Catholic dialogue some decades ago, they had come to some consensus of agreement, but it sounds like that isn't in fact the truth. I know that I come at this from a different perspective and am very respective of your church and ideas.
I'm attracted to the Anglican Church because of it's stances on gay/lesbian and women's rights. Also, it is more liberal to other social issues that are important to me. However, as a Catholic, I was taught that there was no debate about the Eucharist, it is the Body/Blood. While it seems that the Anglican Church's has no real clear teaching like the Catholic/Orthodox Churches but lean more towards Presbyterian or Methodist. Wouldn't that invalid the Anglican orders as there is no intent?THX
@Lepewhi Do we allow for a variance of belief on the substance of the Eucharist? Yes. However, persons holding a Memoralist position are a very small minority as there position would contradict Scripture (namely John 6). However, the majority of Anglicans reject Transubstantiation because we don't believe it is *the* explanation of the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
I would go further but I am limited to 500 chars. If you would like to discuss this further please feel free to message me.
Sorry, I don't understand. If there are so many thoughts on the Eucharist, how can you be the same Church and what does that say about your orders? Frankly, don't care if you ordain women.
@Lepewhi Why there may be variance in belief on what is the substance of the elements in the Eucharist there is no really debate between Anglicans on what is obtained by one receiving the elements, namely: "The strengthening and refreshing of our souls and bodies unto eternal life by the Body and Blood of Christ."
You may wish to check out my video on Churchmanship and the Eucharist.
@Reazzurro90 For the record, yes. Off the top of my head I have taken Holy Communion from at least four different priests that are women, and from one female Bishop, as well as numerous times where a female priest was a con-celebrator. Also, for the record, I was received and chrismated into the Anglican Communion by a female Bishop. In the Anglican Church of Canada the issue of women's ordination is for the most part settled.
@Reazzurro90 The only reason I even mentioned that there is a division in the Anglican Communion on Women's ordination is due to opposition still in some places in Africa, such as the Church of Nigeria, which does not even allow women to be Deacons at this time. However, even in places like the Bangladesh, Brazil, North India, the Philippines, Southern Africa, and the Sudan the Anglican Churches there allow the Ordination of women as Bishops, but have yet to elect one.
Actually according to an introductory pamphlet "The Episcopal Church Welcomes You!" the Episcopal Church believes in Scripture, Tradition, and Reason, It is the last of these three that separate it from (Eastern Orthodoxy), which views Scripture as the written Holy Tradition. Reason is not accepted as canonical in the Eastern church because it raises human understanding above Holy Mystery. What we are left with then are liberal disbelief and Fundamentalism's vain 'Creation Science' for example.
@ChristianEastern Said pamphlet was written for Non-Anglicans as an explanation about what we believe to other Protestants. The Holy Trinity, for example, is never explicitly stated in scripture. However, the Trinity is incredibly important part of our faith.
@ChristianEastern The argument for reason can be deduced by Romans 12:2. You are most definitely right that 2 Thessalonians 2:15 makes a huge case for Tradition, and that I will not deny. As well, an Argument for Scripture comes from 2 Timothy 3:16.
Finally, you have no idea what my position is on Gay Marriage, or the blessing of Same-Sex unions.
First you are correct that I do not know your personal beliefs about any modern issue. Sorry about that. I am also quite aware that global Anglicanism is not necessarily enamored with the American ECUSA. Maybe you can share with me what trends you are seeing in Canada? The American Episcopal churches are splintering and going in different directions depending on their particular leaning.
@ChristianEastern You are correct as their is a dispute right now. To be honest we as Anglicans ALWAYS find something to fight about and the current situation is just another Bump along the road. The major dispute of the 19th and early 20th Centuries involved the returns of several traditions (like putting candles on our Altars). Truthfully, this present spat we are in will likely be resolved, and we should be arguing about something new in about 25 years.
To be honest it may be true that Orthodox don't fight among themselves as much as various Protestant churches do is our over reliance on Holy Mystery, that is mutual passivity.
May I ask your personal opinion on the topics at hand? I belonged to an ECUSA church for a while and my sister's family still does, though it is relatively very conservative and almost left a few years ago. If I had to point fingers to me the culprit is not the gay Gene Robinson, but heretic John Spong.
@3Michael82 No, not at all. It may seem that way, but our worship still has to conform to standards either set by our National Churches, or deviations authorized by our local Bishops.
I love your videos, and find them very informative. I'm a roman catholic seminarian, and planning on writing my thesis paper on similarities and differences between the theologies of catholic and protestant church. I knew almost nothing about what anglicans belive, and I wanted to thank you for your work. I might adress you with some questions in private, if you can help me.
RomCathSeminarian 1 week ago
@RomCathSeminarian Sorry, "differences between roman catholic and anglican church" is what I intended to write :)
RomCathSeminarian 1 week ago
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HouseHaunter445 1 month ago
The Anglican church is Catholic! You believe in each other. Catholic is not Christian and if you believe in the Catholic religion then you are fooling yourself that you are a Christian. The Bible says no graven images (idols) your church is full of it, call no man father - that is all you all do. Darkness and light do not go together. sacraments cant help you. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ can help us get salvation. Faith with out works is dead yes but not faith with out Sacraments is dead!
Donking595 2 months ago
@Donking595 Yes, while we are not in Communion with the Pope we are definitely Catholic. I do not know what "Idols" you are referring to. You are quoting Matt 23.9 out of context entirely.
If you wish to have a serious discussion I invite you to message me.
MapleAnglican 2 months ago 4
@MapleAnglican Yes, i very agree with you. Anglican definitely Catholic. But what the different is we do not honor Mary. Isn't it? So how come we pray the the Rosary..I don't know may be in other country Anglican pray the Rosary. We do not practice this prayer in our country- Malaysia Anglicanism
ThePaulJimmy 1 month ago
@ThePaulJimmy While I have never used a Rosary myself I do know a few Anglo-Catholics at a Parish here in Edmonton that do use a Rosary. However, Anglicans who do follow this type of a devotion are definitely a minority. Thanks again for watching the videos.
MapleAnglican 1 month ago
@ThePaulJimmy I just talked to angelican she hates talking about God and uses his name as the lower case g you angelicans better smart up and step out in your faith or God is going to get ticked off at you like he is with the other churches around the world to this day.
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@ThePaulJimmy God well not be mocked and there well be no praying to someone else other then your Jesus who goes to the father you dont pray to the dead they cant hear nor do they listen to your prayers the catholics were trying to teach this is what they get out of scripture i said thats not what it says. the problem is there interpreting this way because thats how they were taught by there other books. angelicans to this day are just retarrded
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@ThePaulJimmy i dont want anything to do with them as far as there belief system the holy Spirit is not going to be with them if there going mock God.
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@ThePaulJimmy no angelican should be praying the roasary thats giving honor prayer to mary you dont do that considered idoltry to God its in his word why do the angelicans dont understand this ok you say you dont do it ok im interested in what your belief is teaching you i am a chrstian nice to meet you i well not judge you but if your in error then i well correct you in righteous judgement.
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@ThePaulJimmy how many books in the bible do you have in Malaysia Anglicanism?
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@MapleAnglican How ever even the people who say we had no choice you have always have choice you know it goes like this your church says we are not going to give you money if you dont vote for gay marriage for us you simply tell them to go to hell cause there where there heading the word of God comdems them not me and then you leave and God well take care of you but people dont they stay and say ok we well do what you tell us like guinny pigs.
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS What are you talking about? if you form your sentences properly we may understand what you're saying.
MenofWomb 1 week ago
@Donking595 i 100 percent agree wiht you they are catholics and i would not put them any closer then the lutherans and im ashamed of the churches who decided to go against God in same sex marriage woe to those who have done this there in Gods wrath now and thats God is allowing things to happen now even to the church more so to this day.
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@Donking595 notice he said gay angelicans there are gay angelicans dude your either or the other it seems the angelicans just have not taken out time to read the bible i talked to a priest what was it last week he told me he has not even finished the bible from front to back cover what the heck is going on with the church that would tell you?
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
@Donking595 so we see its not just the catholics who are falling but also other churches who separated from them as well some to get more members so lets go a head and vote yes on lets have gay marriage to get some more faces even though those are committing abominations in Gods eyes lets go ahead and allow it. we are not afraid. Very sad and its also true of what revelation says i recommend all angelic ans to actually read the word of Godf you have no idea what your doing
BoTBPoRSoTGSoFSoTS 1 month ago
But you don't have apostolic succession, one the anglican church left the true church(catholic church) and also the anglican church has ordained women. I am not being women hating but it is a man's role since christ was a male.
Tomas21052 2 months ago
@Tomas21052 Christ was certainly a male, but he was also Jewish, and in many Jewish texts God is without Gender, as gender is but a human quality. In many Anglican Churches during Holy Week, it is exclaimed 'Christ is Risen! Hallelujah, Hallelujah!' by the male priests, when it was Mary Magdalene who first said these words. The same Mary who in the lost Gospels lead the Church after the male disciples fled in fear of persecution. Look up Peter Owen Jones: Lost Gospels. He's an Anglican Priest.
BeeJayEm1 1 month ago
@BeeJayEm1 yes but mary magdalane was not in the room at the time of the coming of the holy ghost and therefore not part of apostolic sucession and cannot be ordained priests. but the lost gospels are heretical thats why they were not part of the bible canon. Thats why you should stay with the proper bible cannon
Tomas21052 1 month ago
Couple of things "Via Media" - pronunciation: stress should be on the "i" in each word ;) The 3rd largest body of Christians is probably the Lutheran church which claims 87 million adherents, while the Anglican church claims 80 million. Also of the three creeds you mentioned, only the Nicaean-Constantinoplan creed is of the "early church" as a whole. The other two were used exclusively in the west but are not accepted by Orthodoxy. Also, good job! Greetings from an AngloAnglican. Pax Vobiscum!
TheCrazyCello 2 months ago
@TheCrazyCello The World Lutheran Federation isn't really a Communion. Since I did this video the World Communion of Reformed Churches is now larger than the Anglican Communion though.
Thanks for your comments.
MapleAnglican 2 months ago
@MapleAnglican Oh those reformeds... I didn't realise that they were no longer the World Alliance of Reformed Churches. I think it's probably a close call though, If they're using concepts like "being in communion" perhaps there is hope for them yet... We'll have to hope the American Episcopalians can convince the American Lutherans that apostolic succession is actually pretty boss and communion would be a sweet deal. Unless of course they get excommunicated for all the gays :(
TheCrazyCello 2 months ago
@TheCrazyCello The Anglican Church of Canadian and the Episcopal Church are in Communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Churches in both countries, both Churches having recovered Apostolic Succession from Anglicans and the Church of Sweden.
I've spoken with a few older priests and they view the attitude in the Anglican Churches to better than during the 1960s with the debates on remarriage of Divorced persons. In 50 years will be arguing about something else as per usual.
MapleAnglican 2 months ago
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@MapleAnglican That's really cool! Seems like I'm a bit out of date on everything... sorry. This is what happens when you ignore the church present to delve into church history...
As for the gay issue, I was referring more to the divide within the Anglican Communion, rather than any differences between Episcopalians and Lutherans in the US.
TheCrazyCello 2 months ago
Generally, what is Anglicans' stance on the key dividing issue between Rome and Protestants, namely, Sola Fide? Also, what are their views concerning the Doctrines of Grace (Calvinism)?
AgApE010 2 months ago
@AgApE010 While the Anglicans of the 16th Century leaned heavily to a Calvinist Sotierological formula they never really adopted Sola Fide. Contemporary Anglicans would hold that we are Justified by Faith, however, we would not say Faith Alone. Anglicans have always held that the Sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist are "Generally Necessary" for salvation.
Do to the character limitations it's hard to answer your questions better so you could send me a PM.
MapleAnglican 2 months ago
@MapleAnglican Indeed - it depends strongly on churchmanship. Low Anglicans are generally calvinistic. High Anglicans would take a virtually Catholic understanding on justification and atonement. In the centre there are a lot of Arminian leanings on the matter of justification, but often more catholic views on the purpose of grace, sanctity and the sacraments.
TheCrazyCello 2 months ago
Hello,
What is the general view of Anglicans regarding the veneration of saints and Mary and praying to God through saints and Mary? Good video, btw!
From a Catholic
chocchipcookiegirl 2 months ago
@chocchipcookiegirl There are some Anglicans who will regularly pray to the Saints, included the Blessed Virgin Mary. However these Anglicans would be in the minority. The only hard doctrinal statement regarding the invocation of Saints would come from Article XXII of the XXXIX Articles of Religion which firmly denounces the practice. However, this and a few other Articles are not held in the esteem that they use to hold.
bit .ly/sh8STY <--- XXXIX Articles of Religion on my Website
MapleAnglican 2 months ago
Thanks for your response, I thought that years ago with the Anglican/Catholic dialogue some decades ago, they had come to some consensus of agreement, but it sounds like that isn't in fact the truth. I know that I come at this from a different perspective and am very respective of your church and ideas.
Lepewhi 3 months ago
I'm attracted to the Anglican Church because of it's stances on gay/lesbian and women's rights. Also, it is more liberal to other social issues that are important to me. However, as a Catholic, I was taught that there was no debate about the Eucharist, it is the Body/Blood. While it seems that the Anglican Church's has no real clear teaching like the Catholic/Orthodox Churches but lean more towards Presbyterian or Methodist. Wouldn't that invalid the Anglican orders as there is no intent?THX
Lepewhi 3 months ago
@Lepewhi While I do understand the your concern I can only respond by quoting from the Catechism in the Book of Common Prayer:
Catechist: What is the outward part or sign of the Lord’s Supper?
Answer: Bread and Wine, which the Lord has commanded to be received.
Catechist: What is the inward part, or thing signified?
Answer: The Body and Blood of Christ, which are verily and indeed taken and received by the faithful in the Lord’s Supper.
MapleAnglican 3 months ago
@Lepewhi Do we allow for a variance of belief on the substance of the Eucharist? Yes. However, persons holding a Memoralist position are a very small minority as there position would contradict Scripture (namely John 6). However, the majority of Anglicans reject Transubstantiation because we don't believe it is *the* explanation of the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
I would go further but I am limited to 500 chars. If you would like to discuss this further please feel free to message me.
MapleAnglican 3 months ago
Sorry, I don't understand. If there are so many thoughts on the Eucharist, how can you be the same Church and what does that say about your orders? Frankly, don't care if you ordain women.
Lepewhi 3 months ago
@Lepewhi Why there may be variance in belief on what is the substance of the elements in the Eucharist there is no really debate between Anglicans on what is obtained by one receiving the elements, namely: "The strengthening and refreshing of our souls and bodies unto eternal life by the Body and Blood of Christ."
You may wish to check out my video on Churchmanship and the Eucharist.
MapleAnglican 3 months ago
Very well put togethor video.
YoungAnglican 6 months ago
@YoungAnglican Thank you
MapleAnglican 6 months ago
@falseprophetbuster1 It was my first video. I have gotten better since.
MapleAnglican 7 months ago
So are you personally favorable to women in the priesthood?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@Reazzurro90 For the record, yes. Off the top of my head I have taken Holy Communion from at least four different priests that are women, and from one female Bishop, as well as numerous times where a female priest was a con-celebrator. Also, for the record, I was received and chrismated into the Anglican Communion by a female Bishop. In the Anglican Church of Canada the issue of women's ordination is for the most part settled.
MapleAnglican 8 months ago
@Reazzurro90 The only reason I even mentioned that there is a division in the Anglican Communion on Women's ordination is due to opposition still in some places in Africa, such as the Church of Nigeria, which does not even allow women to be Deacons at this time. However, even in places like the Bangladesh, Brazil, North India, the Philippines, Southern Africa, and the Sudan the Anglican Churches there allow the Ordination of women as Bishops, but have yet to elect one.
MapleAnglican 8 months ago
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ChristianEastern 1 year ago
Actually according to an introductory pamphlet "The Episcopal Church Welcomes You!" the Episcopal Church believes in Scripture, Tradition, and Reason, It is the last of these three that separate it from (Eastern Orthodoxy), which views Scripture as the written Holy Tradition. Reason is not accepted as canonical in the Eastern church because it raises human understanding above Holy Mystery. What we are left with then are liberal disbelief and Fundamentalism's vain 'Creation Science' for example.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
@ChristianEastern
Though the same pamphlet mentioned above did say "No Episcopalian is required to believe anything except what is contained in Scripture."
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
@ChristianEastern Said pamphlet was written for Non-Anglicans as an explanation about what we believe to other Protestants. The Holy Trinity, for example, is never explicitly stated in scripture. However, the Trinity is incredibly important part of our faith.
MapleAnglican 1 year ago
@MapleAnglican
If you are saying that 'Reason' is communicated in Scripture please show me where. Tradition definitely is (2 Thessalonians).
However since Gay Marriage is neither Biblical or a part of Holy Tradition aka historic doctrine/teaching, it must be part of Reason.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
@ChristianEastern The argument for reason can be deduced by Romans 12:2. You are most definitely right that 2 Thessalonians 2:15 makes a huge case for Tradition, and that I will not deny. As well, an Argument for Scripture comes from 2 Timothy 3:16.
Finally, you have no idea what my position is on Gay Marriage, or the blessing of Same-Sex unions.
MapleAnglican 1 year ago
@MapleAnglican
First you are correct that I do not know your personal beliefs about any modern issue. Sorry about that. I am also quite aware that global Anglicanism is not necessarily enamored with the American ECUSA. Maybe you can share with me what trends you are seeing in Canada? The American Episcopal churches are splintering and going in different directions depending on their particular leaning.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
@ChristianEastern You are correct as their is a dispute right now. To be honest we as Anglicans ALWAYS find something to fight about and the current situation is just another Bump along the road. The major dispute of the 19th and early 20th Centuries involved the returns of several traditions (like putting candles on our Altars). Truthfully, this present spat we are in will likely be resolved, and we should be arguing about something new in about 25 years.
MapleAnglican 1 year ago
@MapleAnglican
To be honest it may be true that Orthodox don't fight among themselves as much as various Protestant churches do is our over reliance on Holy Mystery, that is mutual passivity.
May I ask your personal opinion on the topics at hand? I belonged to an ECUSA church for a while and my sister's family still does, though it is relatively very conservative and almost left a few years ago. If I had to point fingers to me the culprit is not the gay Gene Robinson, but heretic John Spong.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
@ChristianEastern If you don't mind I'd prefer to go a bit more in depth in a Personal Message than on a public forum.
MapleAnglican 1 year ago
@MapleAnglican
Fire away. I wish YT allowed for longer posts on discussion boards.
ChristianEastern 1 year ago
so you do what ever you like lol
3Michael82 1 year ago
@3Michael82 No, not at all. It may seem that way, but our worship still has to conform to standards either set by our National Churches, or deviations authorized by our local Bishops.
MapleAnglican 1 year ago