@bordercollie1975 You just keep coming back to watch the video again and again. Is there something you wanna tell us? Which boy in the video makes you all randy? It's okay, we won't tell anyone.
@bordercollie1975 It's about one's sexual orientation! How would you feel if you weren't allowed to love and live in secret? How would you feel if you were forced to be gay, just like we are force to be straight when ('Tis MY NATURE)? You don't whine and say bad things when men cornhole women - in fact must of heterosexual men think is great! I don't understand why we humans are so selfish! O & homosexuality also happends in nature (Zebras, horses, etc) look it up IGNORANT. & GOD LOVES ALL!!!
Actually yes. In your Marine Corps, in your schools, in your hospitals, in your supermarkets, on your television and yes, even in your family. Keep choosing to be a bigot and see how far it gets you. We are EVERYWHERE and we're not leaving.
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It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve...Remember that Obama. Again the minority heckle the majority. Man and woman is right, that is what nature is all about "procreation". Too gays can only make a bowel baby.
Sorry for offending you but i am seriously offended when you push your perversion on me and my family. Seriously gays, get your shit together.
Adam & Eve? You wanna go biblical? Bring it. Until you are living your life to the letter of the Bible - you remember that little “love your neighbor as thyself” thing? And no shellfish or clothes made of different fibers.
If it is all about procreation, how about you fight as hard to make sure old couples can’t get married? No BJs, no jerking off, the only time you can have sexual relations with a woman is when you want to “procreate.” Everything else
@elifuzzle Your bowel babies must be so cute. How about keeping you baby batter to yourself and march in your lounge room not on the streets where heterosexuals roam everyday.
@bordercollie1975 If this offends you and your family so much, then why are you watching it?? I'm sure nobody twisted your arm and forced you to view and leave comments.
@bordercollie1975 ...er.......didn't YOU click on the video? there wasn't a gay person prodding you to make you watch it, and just so you know there are plenty of animals in the wild that mate with members of the same sex, dolphins, orcas, and bonobos are just to name a few, so being gay is found in nature and makes it a natural behaviour
@bordercollie1975 Separation of Church and state. you can't use adam and eve as an anti gay argument. not everyone is gay, i wouldn't be surprised if all of the straights outnumbered the total outed gays in america, so its not like we won't be able to reproduce asswhipe. if people are in love, don't get in their way you cunt.
@haleyn19 Is he gay in real life? hes my favorite part of as the world turns and i thought the picture looked like him but i wasnt sure till i saw the comments
I feel sorry for all the people who live in the illusion to be better than another person. Not to be able to accept that people are different, and busy with the lives of other people, instead of their own. It's easier hating other people than to admit your own weaknesses and face your fears..
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9
Do gays really want equality? That's what the signs say at protest rallies. However.....many gays are in favor of hate crime legislation. That means inequality in sentencing for crimes. It is hypocritical to ask for "equality" when you at the same time asking for inequality for crime punishment.
They want you to not be able to speak up against sodomy but it is ok to march on your town and influence the children to be queer. Double standards for the awkward.
Damn! of all the possible days that DC could have been hit by a nuke and they missed the opportunity to take out the queers and the traitors in just one simple attack!
Another aspect of this issue that is not talked about much: many heteros think "gay marriage" is wrong. Many gays think it should be legal. Do those who think it should be legal believe anyone should be able to marry anyone? Any restrictions at all? Should it be legal for brother/sister to marry, or those mentally retarded, or is it ok to have multiple spouses at the same time?
Just wondering if anyone with anyone is ok, or if those advocating same sex marriage also want restrictions.
We're not only fighting for equal marriage rights. This is a fight for NATIONAL equality. We want every citizen to be treated the same and to receive the same rights. The law declares "equal protection under the law" but people are still the objects of hate crimes, discrimination, and prejudice. the difference of these attacks on the LGBTQA community is that the law does not protect us or ensure retribution on the attackers. All we want is Equality, for everyone.
So do you think someone who is guilty of killing someone out of hate should be punished more than if they killed them randomly? If so, that is certainly not equality. Equality would exist when the punishment is the same, not more or less.
If we had Equality in this country, hate crimes legislation wouldn't be necessary. As I said above, a hate crime is a terrorist action. It terrorizes an entire community and not just the object of the attack. When an entire community is afraid to operate their lives, due to one person's crime, infringing on their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, then yes. I think a stiffer punishment is in order.
People marching with signs that say "EQUALITY" diminish their position when they want UNEQUAL punishment for crimes, such as hate crimes. Whether there should be more punishment for hate crimes or not, it is hypocritical to demand equality and inequality at the same time.
Do you also think that some dude experimenting in his basement made a bomb and got caught doing it deserves the same punishment as a leader of the Taliban who was found making the same bomb? Just wondering.
I think that criminals should be treated equally. If a person deliberately kills an innocent person, no matter what the reason, there should be a certain punishment. In any case, I would never cry out for "equality" unless I really meant it.
You're missing my point. When someone commits a hate crime, they are terrorizing a whole lot more than the person they've committed the crime against. As I said, the murder of Matthew Shepard drove thousands of people back in the closet in fear that the same would happen to them. I can with certainty tell you that you can attribute suicides to that same crime. So in my opinion, the criminal is guilty of more than the single crime they've committed. Protections are necessary to insure equality.
Fine, as long as we do not call the punishment "equal." If it's different, it is not equal. Actually, people that cry out of "equality" are really crying out for "fairness." Women generally do not want equality with men, but they do want fairness. Most women, for example, would like more bathrooms than men in public buildings - fair, but certainly not equal.
When you have been treated unequally (perhaps in matters pertaining to more than your gym membership), maybe you'll understand what it's actually like. After centuries of being treated like dirt, after being arrested, beaten and killed for not other reason than who we love, there needs to be some balance. Balance = equality. And there is no amount of balance that could go in the other direction which would ever make up for the abuses of past centuries towards LGBT people.
Any kind of abuse is wrong, and often horrible. An example would be the Jews (and I am not Jewish) who lost 1/3 of their worldwide population with over 6 million of them being killed - not beaten or threatened, but killed. No abuse towards any other group in history can even compare to that - not even close. However, as mentioned, abuse is very wrong.
What makes you so angry and so intolerant? How is it that you can so easily equate sex with animals with love between 2 consenting adults? As we've established, you are an ignorant old man who chooses to ignore his own cocaine addiction, impotency and flair for incest (see earlier posts) and focus on 2 people of the same gender who have been more successful in a relationship than you have. Drop it. Or educate yourself on the reality. Your ignorance is no longer welcome here.
hahaha, would you lie about your "lifestyle" if someone was telling you too? Or would you stand up for yourself and not be treated like a second class citizen?
No, I would not lie about my lifestyle. I would, however, realize that whatever lifestyle I was in, it would be a matter of my choosing. Our orientation may not be our choice, but what we do with our orientation is.
Millions of people do so. For example, a woman who is hetero and wants to become a nun. Her orientation is to be with a man, but she chooses a lifestyle that includes celibacy. Such decisions are not for everyone, but millions of people do make that decision. The important thing to remember is that it is a CHOICE - and we are responsible for our choices.
Don't tell me you had a choice in being heterosexual. No, you were born and/or grew up that way. You can control your behavior. If in prison, you'd probably be one of those guys who would screw any mouth or hole you could find. Bro,you have no choice in whom attracts you anymore than you had a choice of being white, black or Asian. By your name, I suspect you chose to be black. What lead you to make that decision?
You are making my point. Orientation - as you say above - is not a choice. Behavior and lifestyle is a choice. That is all I am saying here. That's it!
thats the most absurd thing i've ever heard, you can't ask a whole population to be celibate because you think they made a grodie choice... and how do you figure a nuns orientation is to be a man??? where did that come from/
Reread my post. You are misunderstanding what I wrote. First, I am not asking a whole population to do anything - only to be responsible for their choices (i.e. don't blame nature or society). Second, in my example the nun is hetero (i.e. attracted to men), but she makes a lifestyle choice that does not include physically being with a man. That is simply a common example of someone who decides on a certain lifestyle, even though their orientation is otherwise. It is all about choice.
What choice? You are trying to hold people responsible for falling in love... that is all kinds of messed up. Even if you think its a choice its their choice to make and it doesn't affect you so you should have zero say in it, and you still shouldn't be able to choose who can marry who.
We are living in a time of "it's not my fault" - the thought of people actually making choices seems foreign to some folks, strange as that sounds. Orientation is not a choice, and falling in love may not be either, but what we do with that love is 100% a choice. How can it not be? Unless someone is tied up with rope and forced to date or marry, they are excercising personal choices. How can that be disagreed with??!!
your saying its okay for them to fall in love as long as they never act on that love, thats a horrible thing to say. We aren't living in a time of its not my fault we are living in a time of forbidding love which is not your place.
It's ok for them to fall in love. I don't care if they act on that love, just as long as everyone recognizes that acting on something is a choice. I really do not know how else to express such a simple concept. I am not forbidding love in any way. Go for it!
I think I will bow out of this conversation. Thank you for your comments.
But if you're all about EQUALITY, why should one group of people be punished for acting on their sexual and romantic desires and another group given praise for it?
I do not believe anyone is actually punished. If I, a male, want to join the local Curves health club (whch is for women only), they will reject me. I, however, have not been punished. Speaking of gender-specific health clubs (there are 5 women-only gymns where I live), I don't hear anyone complaining about inequality on that topic, and it certainly is inequality.
No one is being punished? You mean, when my partner is shipped back to Argentina because he is not a US citizen, that's not punishment? When I am denied access to my partner of 40 years, dying in the hospital, I'm not being punished? When I am kicked out of my house or lose my job for merely acting on my sexual or romantic desires, I'm not being punished? Are you truly that ignorant on the topic?
It all depends on how one defines "punishment." Everyone is punished, many times a day, under certain definitions. I have a close frined who is married (a straight couple) and his wife was shipped back to Nigeria. Is that punishment? And, if so, is it because they are straight? A health club I belonged to converted to women-only and I was kicked out. Was I being punished? It's all in the definition. Life is not fair.
Are you really comparing your health club membership to the government sanctioning my removal from my home due to who I love? I'm not sure what happened to your friend, but it is most certainly the exception and not the rule. You are allowed certain rights which I am not. Your friend can legally be married and make his wife a US citizen. Yes, I think in most people's definition of "punishment," being kicked out of your home, losing your job over nothing more than who you love, is a punishment.
All I am saying is that the way in which we live our lifestyle is completely a matter of choice, and we are responsible for our choices. What a concept!
You keep contradicting yourself all throughout your postings. Here you say it is NOT a choice, yet everywhere else you say it IS a choice. make up your mind dude. Actually wait, let me just tell you, from personal experience...it is NOT a choice.
Sorry for being a bit insensitive. I tend to be that-a-way due to the fact that I have a set of balls, but I fail to see how civil rights and gay rights are the same? I know FORMER gay people but no FORMER black people. THEY deserved their rights. Gays have just as much, if not more rights as I do. Except for the Biblical concept of marriage. Why would they want that anyway? Its a Biblical concept? There is another concept in there. But the gays don't listen to that one. You know what I mean.
ok so im not a bisexual nemor but i was at one point and im on my way to being deliverd from it because u can be delivered from it but also at the same time we should not hate some one because of their sexual preference and lets just remember that GOD preached LOVE and not hate so to all those who hat gays and preach about GOD are complet hipporcrat so y cant we all just have LOVE, PEACE and HAPPINESS!!!!!
I really don't see the problem with being gay. I am a lesbian and proud of that fact because i am happy. If your scared of gay people then get a life!
ok so im not gay nemore but i was and i still think that we should all have love for those who love the same sex n not hate therm b-cuz GOD did not preach hate he preached LOVE and i think that we should have respect for them. also its noone's place to judge another person so all the gay haters just need to learn LOVE, PEACE and HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!
Not sure if you're bisexual or gay, as you've said both in your entries, but I wanted to be certain that you knew that according to every major scientific and psychological association, you can not be "delivered" from your sexuality. Nor should you seek deliverance from it as it is not something for you to be judged on. That's like saying you should be delivered from having red hair. I beg of you to rethink your statements and your own "deliverance."
yes hun in the bible it does talk about deliverence and yes one can be delivered from sins and i dont look much at the scientific aspects of things nemore i go for the biblical view and i was bisexual, still fightin it now n i do believe that i can be delivered from it how ever i do not judge and im not in the place of cursing those who remain gay im lik i said in my entries we should have LOVE< PEACE and HAPPINESS reguardless of how or what a person is
Then perhaps it's the meathead jackasses who should be kicked out and not the effective people who know how to protect are country AND can serve with bravery AND honesty. That's who I want defending me.
So-called "gay rights" has absolutely nothing to do with equality. One example is hate crime legislation, whereby an assault directed at a gay person will bring a different (greater) penalty than upon someone else. Different is obviously not equal!!!! Talk to me about equality when we all share the same public bathrooms and there are no gender distinctions on sports teams. Also, the Oscars can drop "best actor" and "best actress" and have just one award. I won't be holding my breath...
How about you talk to me when you can deny the fact that the murder of Matthew Shepard terrorized hundreds of thousands of gay people, keeping them in the closet, afraid to love the person they are inclined to love because they are afraid that they will be be brutally beaten, kicked in the skull, tied to a fence and left to die. A hate crime is not a crime against one person, but against an entire community. You talk to me when you are beaten only because of the color of your skin.
My only point here is that it is wrong to ask for "equality" when a group is asking for unequal treatment of any kind. Perhaps the punishment for hate crimes should be greater, but calling it "equal" when it's different diminishes the quality of the argument.
What exactly is "unequal" about it? It will grant you the right to marry someone of the same sex to... whether or not you take advantage of it is the only difference. But right now you can marry the person you are in love with... they cannot, and that is the basis of the inequality...
YAY im not gay, and i dont care if you are. But please dont hit on me or be one of those butch females that say they can turn a straight girl into a lesbian.
I'm glad to see someone who doesn't judge about being gay. :D
That being said, i'm curious how you would react if someone DID hit on you that was of the same sex?
Oh, and sleazeball guys that say they can turn a lesbian straight are a dime a dozen. There's scumbags all around the world- Of all colors, creeds, religions, orientations, and beliefs :P
If someone hit on my, which has, and he was my neighbor and co worker, i told him i wasnt gay, and i told him its really uncomfortable. We carpooled too...i told him i was going to beat the shit out of him. I wasnt going to beat him up for being gay but for hmmm whats the word...for harassment cause he didnt take me serious. Im a nice guy, im smart, i know people are born left handed right handed, down syndrome, xy, xx some people are born both sexes, so why cant people be gay...i accept that.
It's hard to believe we are exploring our own solar system yet refuse to grant rights to people based only on prejudice...mostly from religions who keep saying "Love your neighbor." It's baffling. Their getting married certainly doesn't threaten my marriage or me. Time to grow up, world!
I think it's something to work towards, yes i do. Having said that, i believe it's order of priority is way off the mark. I'd rather see violent people/offenders with a history evaporated at the 3rd offence. I'd like to see corruption brought to a halt and i'd like to see better health care and protection for our children in place well before we start even thinking about the importance of gay marriage. Think about it for 10 minutes.
Well, i believe religion to be a part of the problem. No more " My God says " business would be best i think. Morals are a problem topic too, i find that most people cannot separate religious beliefs and Moral standards. Somewhere or somehow it seems to be tied together as though it is the Moral fabric that our world is built on. Thinking.
You know that girl you really like? The one you just asked to marry you? Sorry about that, you're not able to. OH WAIT, you can spend hundreds of dollars out of pocket to go out to one of the states that let you get married.
So now you're "unionized", but you want to move in together? Sorry, but we don't recognize that. You're not getting any tax breaks, social security, homeowners insurance benefits....
And now you want to adopt that orphan who's straight parents to an arguement, and daddy was drunk and murdered mommy? [Cuz we all know straight marriages always work out.] Sorry, legally can't let you do that either.
So i you guys can still move in together. But legally, you have absolutely no benefits or anything... You're really just roomates. It's no different then dorming on college.
But hey, dorming was fun, right? And uhm... well... I guess you're happy now, right?
I just wanted to point out the fact that this country was founded on all men being created equal. That was the very basis for us wanting our freedom from tyranny - from a MAJORITY rule. If we only focus now on what's important to a MAJORITY, then aren't we being a litle hypocritical?
Overturning DOMA & DADT, Employment Non-Discrimination, and The Hate Crimes Act are all important to the MAJORITY according to recent polls. Marriage Equality is important to the MAJORITY of voters under 45.
The U.S. is a *constitutional democracy*. The power of the majority is limited by the higher principles outlined in the constitution to protect such things as individual rights and freedoms. What you're describing is a tyrannical majority that only looks after itself and perpetually places minority groups on the backburner under the guise of there being more "important" matters at hand. I'm Canadian, but your founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves at this rationale.
And further--comparing the ability of an adult to marry another adult of his or her choosing to someone's ability to marry a horse, camel, plastic doll, chair, etc--really does nothing other than reveal your true colours here.
Grandchanchelor, you're really singin' a hearty tune that touches me in all the right places. GOD BLESSID!
I'm so sick of all these homosexuals trying to fight against the nanny state government efforts people like you and me have fought so hard to enshrine in public policy, such as: laws that limit marriage to a peepee and a vagina, a law that limits sexual discussion in the military to ONLY peepee and vagina sex, and so on.
How dare these Homosexual Activists(tm) try to repeal these precious laws and overturn these populist constitutional amendments when there are much more pressing issues to tend to, like health care, the economy, foreign policy, abortion, racial inequality, free trade, carbon emission caps, school vouchers...
They can only focus on these laws that we worked so tirelessly to pass once every single other political and social issue conceivable is completely resolved in this country. GOD BLESS
Fuck off pillow biters.
bordercollie1975 7 months ago
@bordercollie1975 You just keep coming back to watch the video again and again. Is there something you wanna tell us? Which boy in the video makes you all randy? It's okay, we won't tell anyone.
elifuzzle 7 months ago 2
Why would you put your penis in another mans filthy bum which is full of germs and shit, and think that is hot?
bordercollie1975 9 months ago
@bordercollie1975 It's about one's sexual orientation! How would you feel if you weren't allowed to love and live in secret? How would you feel if you were forced to be gay, just like we are force to be straight when ('Tis MY NATURE)? You don't whine and say bad things when men cornhole women - in fact must of heterosexual men think is great! I don't understand why we humans are so selfish! O & homosexuality also happends in nature (Zebras, horses, etc) look it up IGNORANT. & GOD LOVES ALL!!!
victor19955 7 months ago
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bordercollie1975 9 months ago
Actually yes. In your Marine Corps, in your schools, in your hospitals, in your supermarkets, on your television and yes, even in your family. Keep choosing to be a bigot and see how far it gets you. We are EVERYWHERE and we're not leaving.
elifuzzle 10 months ago
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It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve...Remember that Obama. Again the minority heckle the majority. Man and woman is right, that is what nature is all about "procreation". Too gays can only make a bowel baby.
Sorry for offending you but i am seriously offended when you push your perversion on me and my family. Seriously gays, get your shit together.
bordercollie1975 1 year ago
@bordercollie1975
Adam & Eve? You wanna go biblical? Bring it. Until you are living your life to the letter of the Bible - you remember that little “love your neighbor as thyself” thing? And no shellfish or clothes made of different fibers.
If it is all about procreation, how about you fight as hard to make sure old couples can’t get married? No BJs, no jerking off, the only time you can have sexual relations with a woman is when you want to “procreate.” Everything else
is a perversion.
elifuzzle 1 year ago 5
@elifuzzle Your bowel babies must be so cute. How about keeping you baby batter to yourself and march in your lounge room not on the streets where heterosexuals roam everyday.
bordercollie1975 1 year ago
@bordercollie1975 If this offends you and your family so much, then why are you watching it?? I'm sure nobody twisted your arm and forced you to view and leave comments.
nightmocha 1 year ago 2
@nightmocha Stop marching in public and making a scene. The world is sick of your shit. I will never support such a thing and i vote against it.
bordercollie1975 1 year ago
@bordercollie1975 ...er.......didn't YOU click on the video? there wasn't a gay person prodding you to make you watch it, and just so you know there are plenty of animals in the wild that mate with members of the same sex, dolphins, orcas, and bonobos are just to name a few, so being gay is found in nature and makes it a natural behaviour
frickinradical 11 months ago 3
@bordercollie1975 Separation of Church and state. you can't use adam and eve as an anti gay argument. not everyone is gay, i wouldn't be surprised if all of the straights outnumbered the total outed gays in america, so its not like we won't be able to reproduce asswhipe. if people are in love, don't get in their way you cunt.
M15CY 9 months ago
i liked to know what song is being featured inside this vids... it's very nice!
wheelchair89 1 year ago
Van Hansis looks so cute in this video
haleyn19 1 year ago 9
@haleyn19 Is he gay in real life? hes my favorite part of as the world turns and i thought the picture looked like him but i wasnt sure till i saw the comments
fandude15 1 year ago
@haleyn19 He was a busy guy! He was in D.C. for the Equality March, then less than a week later on the 17th, he and Jake were in Paris!
ONiONLADi777 1 year ago
Beautiful video!!Beautiful people :)
kat74n1 2 years ago
I feel sorry for all the people who live in the illusion to be better than another person. Not to be able to accept that people are different, and busy with the lives of other people, instead of their own. It's easier hating other people than to admit your own weaknesses and face your fears..
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Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9
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Do gays really want equality? That's what the signs say at protest rallies. However.....many gays are in favor of hate crime legislation. That means inequality in sentencing for crimes. It is hypocritical to ask for "equality" when you at the same time asking for inequality for crime punishment.
broyomama 2 years ago
They want you to not be able to speak up against sodomy but it is ok to march on your town and influence the children to be queer. Double standards for the awkward.
spacklepro 2 years ago
Damn! of all the possible days that DC could have been hit by a nuke and they missed the opportunity to take out the queers and the traitors in just one simple attack!
berettamod961 2 years ago
Freedom equality for all
spencercarslyle 2 years ago 2
i love how people debate over youtube, and they don't even the know the person. its weirdly refreshing :)
biebmester 2 years ago
Another aspect of this issue that is not talked about much: many heteros think "gay marriage" is wrong. Many gays think it should be legal. Do those who think it should be legal believe anyone should be able to marry anyone? Any restrictions at all? Should it be legal for brother/sister to marry, or those mentally retarded, or is it ok to have multiple spouses at the same time?
Just wondering if anyone with anyone is ok, or if those advocating same sex marriage also want restrictions.
broyomama 2 years ago
We're not only fighting for equal marriage rights. This is a fight for NATIONAL equality. We want every citizen to be treated the same and to receive the same rights. The law declares "equal protection under the law" but people are still the objects of hate crimes, discrimination, and prejudice. the difference of these attacks on the LGBTQA community is that the law does not protect us or ensure retribution on the attackers. All we want is Equality, for everyone.
Brandonwoodbrandon 2 years ago
So do you think someone who is guilty of killing someone out of hate should be punished more than if they killed them randomly? If so, that is certainly not equality. Equality would exist when the punishment is the same, not more or less.
broyomama 2 years ago
If we had Equality in this country, hate crimes legislation wouldn't be necessary. As I said above, a hate crime is a terrorist action. It terrorizes an entire community and not just the object of the attack. When an entire community is afraid to operate their lives, due to one person's crime, infringing on their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, then yes. I think a stiffer punishment is in order.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
People marching with signs that say "EQUALITY" diminish their position when they want UNEQUAL punishment for crimes, such as hate crimes. Whether there should be more punishment for hate crimes or not, it is hypocritical to demand equality and inequality at the same time.
broyomama 2 years ago
Do you also think that some dude experimenting in his basement made a bomb and got caught doing it deserves the same punishment as a leader of the Taliban who was found making the same bomb? Just wondering.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
I think that criminals should be treated equally. If a person deliberately kills an innocent person, no matter what the reason, there should be a certain punishment. In any case, I would never cry out for "equality" unless I really meant it.
broyomama 2 years ago
You're missing my point. When someone commits a hate crime, they are terrorizing a whole lot more than the person they've committed the crime against. As I said, the murder of Matthew Shepard drove thousands of people back in the closet in fear that the same would happen to them. I can with certainty tell you that you can attribute suicides to that same crime. So in my opinion, the criminal is guilty of more than the single crime they've committed. Protections are necessary to insure equality.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
Fine, as long as we do not call the punishment "equal." If it's different, it is not equal. Actually, people that cry out of "equality" are really crying out for "fairness." Women generally do not want equality with men, but they do want fairness. Most women, for example, would like more bathrooms than men in public buildings - fair, but certainly not equal.
broyomama 2 years ago
When you have been treated unequally (perhaps in matters pertaining to more than your gym membership), maybe you'll understand what it's actually like. After centuries of being treated like dirt, after being arrested, beaten and killed for not other reason than who we love, there needs to be some balance. Balance = equality. And there is no amount of balance that could go in the other direction which would ever make up for the abuses of past centuries towards LGBT people.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
Any kind of abuse is wrong, and often horrible. An example would be the Jews (and I am not Jewish) who lost 1/3 of their worldwide population with over 6 million of them being killed - not beaten or threatened, but killed. No abuse towards any other group in history can even compare to that - not even close. However, as mentioned, abuse is very wrong.
broyomama 2 years ago
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spacklepro 2 years ago
What makes you so angry and so intolerant? How is it that you can so easily equate sex with animals with love between 2 consenting adults? As we've established, you are an ignorant old man who chooses to ignore his own cocaine addiction, impotency and flair for incest (see earlier posts) and focus on 2 people of the same gender who have been more successful in a relationship than you have. Drop it. Or educate yourself on the reality. Your ignorance is no longer welcome here.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
great video, btw! :)
Stagedork83 2 years ago
hey, where did you get the song from? they played it on the bus down, but can i download it online? :)
Stagedork83 2 years ago
Remember that sexual orientation may not be a choice, but lifestyle always is a choice.
broyomama 2 years ago
What exactly are you saying?
acordian 2 years ago
hahaha, would you lie about your "lifestyle" if someone was telling you too? Or would you stand up for yourself and not be treated like a second class citizen?
lovemnr 2 years ago
No, I would not lie about my lifestyle. I would, however, realize that whatever lifestyle I was in, it would be a matter of my choosing. Our orientation may not be our choice, but what we do with our orientation is.
broyomama 2 years ago
So you're saying they should just live a life a total abstinence and never find love... ya that sounds like a fair thing to ask...
acordian 2 years ago
Millions of people do so. For example, a woman who is hetero and wants to become a nun. Her orientation is to be with a man, but she chooses a lifestyle that includes celibacy. Such decisions are not for everyone, but millions of people do make that decision. The important thing to remember is that it is a CHOICE - and we are responsible for our choices.
broyomama 2 years ago
Don't tell me you had a choice in being heterosexual. No, you were born and/or grew up that way. You can control your behavior. If in prison, you'd probably be one of those guys who would screw any mouth or hole you could find. Bro,you have no choice in whom attracts you anymore than you had a choice of being white, black or Asian. By your name, I suspect you chose to be black. What lead you to make that decision?
RandolfeWicker 2 years ago
You are making my point. Orientation - as you say above - is not a choice. Behavior and lifestyle is a choice. That is all I am saying here. That's it!
broyomama 2 years ago
thats the most absurd thing i've ever heard, you can't ask a whole population to be celibate because you think they made a grodie choice... and how do you figure a nuns orientation is to be a man??? where did that come from/
acordian 2 years ago
Reread my post. You are misunderstanding what I wrote. First, I am not asking a whole population to do anything - only to be responsible for their choices (i.e. don't blame nature or society). Second, in my example the nun is hetero (i.e. attracted to men), but she makes a lifestyle choice that does not include physically being with a man. That is simply a common example of someone who decides on a certain lifestyle, even though their orientation is otherwise. It is all about choice.
broyomama 2 years ago
What choice? You are trying to hold people responsible for falling in love... that is all kinds of messed up. Even if you think its a choice its their choice to make and it doesn't affect you so you should have zero say in it, and you still shouldn't be able to choose who can marry who.
acordian 2 years ago
We are living in a time of "it's not my fault" - the thought of people actually making choices seems foreign to some folks, strange as that sounds. Orientation is not a choice, and falling in love may not be either, but what we do with that love is 100% a choice. How can it not be? Unless someone is tied up with rope and forced to date or marry, they are excercising personal choices. How can that be disagreed with??!!
broyomama 2 years ago
your saying its okay for them to fall in love as long as they never act on that love, thats a horrible thing to say. We aren't living in a time of its not my fault we are living in a time of forbidding love which is not your place.
acordian 2 years ago
It's ok for them to fall in love. I don't care if they act on that love, just as long as everyone recognizes that acting on something is a choice. I really do not know how else to express such a simple concept. I am not forbidding love in any way. Go for it!
I think I will bow out of this conversation. Thank you for your comments.
broyomama 2 years ago
Wait, you're talking about straight people, right?
kennyjburke 2 years ago
Not sure why you care if people recognize that having gay sex is a choice... having straight sex is to...
acordian 2 years ago
So true! The orientation is likely not a choice, but any sexual activity certainly is.
broyomama 2 years ago
So what are you saying? Do you think gays should be allowed to marry or not??
acordian 2 years ago
But if you're all about EQUALITY, why should one group of people be punished for acting on their sexual and romantic desires and another group given praise for it?
elifuzzle 2 years ago
I do not believe anyone is actually punished. If I, a male, want to join the local Curves health club (whch is for women only), they will reject me. I, however, have not been punished. Speaking of gender-specific health clubs (there are 5 women-only gymns where I live), I don't hear anyone complaining about inequality on that topic, and it certainly is inequality.
broyomama 2 years ago
No one is being punished? You mean, when my partner is shipped back to Argentina because he is not a US citizen, that's not punishment? When I am denied access to my partner of 40 years, dying in the hospital, I'm not being punished? When I am kicked out of my house or lose my job for merely acting on my sexual or romantic desires, I'm not being punished? Are you truly that ignorant on the topic?
elifuzzle 2 years ago
It all depends on how one defines "punishment." Everyone is punished, many times a day, under certain definitions. I have a close frined who is married (a straight couple) and his wife was shipped back to Nigeria. Is that punishment? And, if so, is it because they are straight? A health club I belonged to converted to women-only and I was kicked out. Was I being punished? It's all in the definition. Life is not fair.
broyomama 2 years ago
Are you really comparing your health club membership to the government sanctioning my removal from my home due to who I love? I'm not sure what happened to your friend, but it is most certainly the exception and not the rule. You are allowed certain rights which I am not. Your friend can legally be married and make his wife a US citizen. Yes, I think in most people's definition of "punishment," being kicked out of your home, losing your job over nothing more than who you love, is a punishment.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
So I should be condemned for acting on my love if I'm gay, but you should not be because you are straight? Explain to me how that makes any sense?
elifuzzle 2 years ago
All I am saying is that the way in which we live our lifestyle is completely a matter of choice, and we are responsible for our choices. What a concept!
broyomama 2 years ago
Tell me... when did you chose to be straight???
acordian 2 years ago
I am not sure how else I can say this......orientation is not a choice. People do not choose to be straight or gay.
broyomama 2 years ago
You keep contradicting yourself all throughout your postings. Here you say it is NOT a choice, yet everywhere else you say it IS a choice. make up your mind dude. Actually wait, let me just tell you, from personal experience...it is NOT a choice.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
Sorry for being a bit insensitive. I tend to be that-a-way due to the fact that I have a set of balls, but I fail to see how civil rights and gay rights are the same? I know FORMER gay people but no FORMER black people. THEY deserved their rights. Gays have just as much, if not more rights as I do. Except for the Biblical concept of marriage. Why would they want that anyway? Its a Biblical concept? There is another concept in there. But the gays don't listen to that one. You know what I mean.
WomackKOA 2 years ago
ok so im not a bisexual nemor but i was at one point and im on my way to being deliverd from it because u can be delivered from it but also at the same time we should not hate some one because of their sexual preference and lets just remember that GOD preached LOVE and not hate so to all those who hat gays and preach about GOD are complet hipporcrat so y cant we all just have LOVE, PEACE and HAPPINESS!!!!!
alcbabi9201 2 years ago
I really don't see the problem with being gay. I am a lesbian and proud of that fact because i am happy. If your scared of gay people then get a life!
Rachatbeaconhurst 2 years ago
ok so im not gay nemore but i was and i still think that we should all have love for those who love the same sex n not hate therm b-cuz GOD did not preach hate he preached LOVE and i think that we should have respect for them. also its noone's place to judge another person so all the gay haters just need to learn LOVE, PEACE and HAPPINESS!!!!!!!!!
alcbabi9201 2 years ago
Not sure if you're bisexual or gay, as you've said both in your entries, but I wanted to be certain that you knew that according to every major scientific and psychological association, you can not be "delivered" from your sexuality. Nor should you seek deliverance from it as it is not something for you to be judged on. That's like saying you should be delivered from having red hair. I beg of you to rethink your statements and your own "deliverance."
elifuzzle 2 years ago
yes hun in the bible it does talk about deliverence and yes one can be delivered from sins and i dont look much at the scientific aspects of things nemore i go for the biblical view and i was bisexual, still fightin it now n i do believe that i can be delivered from it how ever i do not judge and im not in the place of cursing those who remain gay im lik i said in my entries we should have LOVE< PEACE and HAPPINESS reguardless of how or what a person is
alcbabi9201 2 years ago
Then perhaps it's the meathead jackasses who should be kicked out and not the effective people who know how to protect are country AND can serve with bravery AND honesty. That's who I want defending me.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
So-called "gay rights" has absolutely nothing to do with equality. One example is hate crime legislation, whereby an assault directed at a gay person will bring a different (greater) penalty than upon someone else. Different is obviously not equal!!!! Talk to me about equality when we all share the same public bathrooms and there are no gender distinctions on sports teams. Also, the Oscars can drop "best actor" and "best actress" and have just one award. I won't be holding my breath...
broyomama 2 years ago
How about you talk to me when you can deny the fact that the murder of Matthew Shepard terrorized hundreds of thousands of gay people, keeping them in the closet, afraid to love the person they are inclined to love because they are afraid that they will be be brutally beaten, kicked in the skull, tied to a fence and left to die. A hate crime is not a crime against one person, but against an entire community. You talk to me when you are beaten only because of the color of your skin.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
My only point here is that it is wrong to ask for "equality" when a group is asking for unequal treatment of any kind. Perhaps the punishment for hate crimes should be greater, but calling it "equal" when it's different diminishes the quality of the argument.
broyomama 2 years ago
What exactly is "unequal" about it? It will grant you the right to marry someone of the same sex to... whether or not you take advantage of it is the only difference. But right now you can marry the person you are in love with... they cannot, and that is the basis of the inequality...
acordian 2 years ago
YAY im not gay, and i dont care if you are. But please dont hit on me or be one of those butch females that say they can turn a straight girl into a lesbian.
mailman4380 2 years ago
I'm glad to see someone who doesn't judge about being gay. :D
That being said, i'm curious how you would react if someone DID hit on you that was of the same sex?
Oh, and sleazeball guys that say they can turn a lesbian straight are a dime a dozen. There's scumbags all around the world- Of all colors, creeds, religions, orientations, and beliefs :P
Anon3928 2 years ago
If someone hit on my, which has, and he was my neighbor and co worker, i told him i wasnt gay, and i told him its really uncomfortable. We carpooled too...i told him i was going to beat the shit out of him. I wasnt going to beat him up for being gay but for hmmm whats the word...for harassment cause he didnt take me serious. Im a nice guy, im smart, i know people are born left handed right handed, down syndrome, xy, xx some people are born both sexes, so why cant people be gay...i accept that.
mailman4380 2 years ago
It's hard to believe we are exploring our own solar system yet refuse to grant rights to people based only on prejudice...mostly from religions who keep saying "Love your neighbor." It's baffling. Their getting married certainly doesn't threaten my marriage or me. Time to grow up, world!
janegael 2 years ago
Oh man, I would LOVE to be there right now. I have friends who are and I hope they're having a good time.
"You've gotta give 'em hope" - Harvey Milk
xxJustADreamxx 2 years ago
cant be there in person but will be there in spirit.
silvermage87 2 years ago 2
Good luck with the march. God bless you all. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people - you are all beautiful!
Let homophobes be ashamed of themselves for their evil actions. God will punish homophobes for trying to hurt innocent people!
Il00OOll 2 years ago 2
Our thoughts and prayers go with you all.
lynnosburn 2 years ago
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I will be there!
dwyndler 2 years ago
I'm going to be there!
RhiannaSkye93 2 years ago
gosh I so badly wish I was able to be there.
MsProHomo 2 years ago
I think it's something to work towards, yes i do. Having said that, i believe it's order of priority is way off the mark. I'd rather see violent people/offenders with a history evaporated at the 3rd offence. I'd like to see corruption brought to a halt and i'd like to see better health care and protection for our children in place well before we start even thinking about the importance of gay marriage. Think about it for 10 minutes.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
oh and another important thing putting prayer and moral values back into schools and everyday life...(just thought it would be important)
nukester 2 years ago
Well, i believe religion to be a part of the problem. No more " My God says " business would be best i think. Morals are a problem topic too, i find that most people cannot separate religious beliefs and Moral standards. Somewhere or somehow it seems to be tied together as though it is the Moral fabric that our world is built on. Thinking.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
Governments can and do work on multiple policies at the same time. The different objectives you describe are not competing interests.
Dark0blivion 2 years ago
Yes, it's true. So let them work on those things that are considered important - to the MAJORITY.
What you want is just not important enough.
Next year Somebody will want to marry an Orangeutang, than a Horse and camel.
Give it a rest. Just be happy. It's easyer.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
Alright, let's follow your logic then.
You know that girl you really like? The one you just asked to marry you? Sorry about that, you're not able to. OH WAIT, you can spend hundreds of dollars out of pocket to go out to one of the states that let you get married.
So now you're "unionized", but you want to move in together? Sorry, but we don't recognize that. You're not getting any tax breaks, social security, homeowners insurance benefits....
Anon3928 2 years ago
((Continued))
And now you want to adopt that orphan who's straight parents to an arguement, and daddy was drunk and murdered mommy? [Cuz we all know straight marriages always work out.] Sorry, legally can't let you do that either.
So i you guys can still move in together. But legally, you have absolutely no benefits or anything... You're really just roomates. It's no different then dorming on college.
But hey, dorming was fun, right? And uhm... well... I guess you're happy now, right?
Anon3928 2 years ago
Ranting.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
Jesus mate, if's really all about the benefits.Learn the tax laws and use the ones you can.
grandchancelor 2 years ago
I just wanted to point out the fact that this country was founded on all men being created equal. That was the very basis for us wanting our freedom from tyranny - from a MAJORITY rule. If we only focus now on what's important to a MAJORITY, then aren't we being a litle hypocritical?
Overturning DOMA & DADT, Employment Non-Discrimination, and The Hate Crimes Act are all important to the MAJORITY according to recent polls. Marriage Equality is important to the MAJORITY of voters under 45.
elifuzzle 2 years ago
The U.S. is a *constitutional democracy*. The power of the majority is limited by the higher principles outlined in the constitution to protect such things as individual rights and freedoms. What you're describing is a tyrannical majority that only looks after itself and perpetually places minority groups on the backburner under the guise of there being more "important" matters at hand. I'm Canadian, but your founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves at this rationale.
Dark0blivion 2 years ago
And further--comparing the ability of an adult to marry another adult of his or her choosing to someone's ability to marry a horse, camel, plastic doll, chair, etc--really does nothing other than reveal your true colours here.
Dark0blivion 2 years ago
Grandchanchelor, you're really singin' a hearty tune that touches me in all the right places. GOD BLESSID!
I'm so sick of all these homosexuals trying to fight against the nanny state government efforts people like you and me have fought so hard to enshrine in public policy, such as: laws that limit marriage to a peepee and a vagina, a law that limits sexual discussion in the military to ONLY peepee and vagina sex, and so on.
darcymayberry 2 years ago
How dare these Homosexual Activists(tm) try to repeal these precious laws and overturn these populist constitutional amendments when there are much more pressing issues to tend to, like health care, the economy, foreign policy, abortion, racial inequality, free trade, carbon emission caps, school vouchers...
They can only focus on these laws that we worked so tirelessly to pass once every single other political and social issue conceivable is completely resolved in this country. GOD BLESS
darcymayberry 2 years ago
Ill B THERE ;)
JoeyBoya 2 years ago
OMG, Van Hansis and Tyler Hanes (at the :23 mark)! They are adorable together.
MayLily 2 years ago 17
@MayLily Cuteness personified. I'm happy to find a pic of him and his boyfriend (?) together.
tuckatangent 1 year ago
loves it!! i do plan on going to DC to march =)
mprice2009 2 years ago 2
Great video and another great song by Gavin Creel! Sent this to my friends!
napili00 2 years ago 2
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Gays want rights now? What next..Blacks and women? where does it end
youbestbequiet 2 years ago
I <3 gay SMILES!
newkillerstardust 2 years ago 2
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nanoquaver 2 years ago
Great video!
SeanChapin1 2 years ago
great video. wish i could go. but no money to go to washington dc for a weekend. hope goes well.
dragonking17 2 years ago 3
Thanks so much! Wish you could come, but since you can't, would you please send this video around to get others to come? Thanks again!
elifuzzle 2 years ago